Reform

[Stairway 2 7]

Unfortunately they are probably going to be in the Scottish and UK landscape quite a lot in the coming years, so thought a thread of their own rather than posting in the Tory thread for them.

The Sunday Times is reporting Musk might give them $100 million to help them fight the next election. He'll bypass funding rules by giving them it from his X UK branch. Horrendous stuff can see Trump promoting them openly in future too

[Northernhibee]

Being honest, I think they’re a shoe-in at the next election. Between Russian propaganda on social media, a right wing media, and both Labour and the Tories being hugely unpopular it’s near inevitable.

They’ve not had to back up what they say to this point and as such attacking what they say is like punching mist at this point, and there’s always some brain dead student throwing milkshake at Farage to allow him to play the victim.

I fear where we’re going.

[Bostonhibby]

The rich and powerful buying their way into politics for whatever their ends are. Musk needs a vehicle to do it and right wing populist talkers with no real record of delivery is as good a way to do it as any.

American influence in UK politics is taking off big style, their easy way in is Farage, will do and say just about anything for money and the recognition helps.

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[AgentDaleCooper]

Liberalism has max 4 years left to save itself from itself in the UK, and even then, who knows for how long.

[Bostonhibby]

Liberalism has max 4 years left to save itself from itself in the UK, and even then, who knows for how long.I tend to agree, unfortunately

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[JimBHibees]

Unfortunately they are probably going to be in the Scottish and UK landscape quite a lot in the coming years, so thought a thread of their own rather than posting in the Tory thread for them.

The Sunday Times is reporting Musk might give them $100 million to help them fight the next election. He'll bypass funding rules by giving them it from his X UK branch. Horrendous stuff can see Trump promoting them openly in future too

Surely there are rules prohibiting that.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Elon Musk is the biggest threat to pluralism and democracy since the 1930's. Trying to get everyone to look at Mars rather than what's happening around us. The self-entitled white powerfull men openly mock liberalism and ask the centre parties what's not to like.

[lapsedhibee]

Surely there are rules prohibiting that.

Musk will be quaking at the thought of a maximum £20,000 fine from the Electoral Commission.

[Stairway 2 7]

Surely there are rules prohibiting that.

https://archive.ph/pzyyH

Apparently he'd put it through his UK business to get round the rules

[AgentDaleCooper]

Elon Musk is the biggest threat to pluralism and democracy since the 1930's. Trying to get everyone to look at Mars rather than what's happening around us. The self-entitled white powerfull men openly mock liberalism and ask the centre parties what's not to like.

He's the embodiment of the 'sovereign individual', an idea promoted in a book by Jacob Reese-Mogg's dad, basically about how the already-mega-rich can exploit the conditions created by the internet to basically become gods. Capitalism-as-usual is dying - welcome to technofeudalism (term coined by Yannis Varoufakis, the only person on the left with anything approaching an answer to our predicament!)

[Keith_M]

The last few years has seen self-righteous groups, including in large parts of the Media, pour the blame for practically everything on a part of society that now feels marginalised, ignored... and even ostracised.

Want somebody to blame for an issue you feel strongly about? No problem, there's always an easy target.

When this happens, many of the same people lean towards groups, political parties, etc that they feel either listen to their concerns, or are at the very least oppose the 'establishment' .

This is a problem that has been caused, over the last couple of decades, by both left-leaning liberals, and conservatives alike.

Maybe it's time to take a step back and think about the effect that ignoring and/or marginalising large groups of society is having and consider if that really is the way forward.

[SHODAN]

You had the chance for a left wing government but it was made clear that option wouldn't be allowed. Liberals are happy to pal up with fascists because they don't threaten their business interests.

Labour and the Tories blame absolutely everything - failing health services, cost of living etc etc on immigrants, the poor, Muslims, trans people and any other marginalised groups because the real reason (capitalist price gouging, open wealth transfer and dismantling of the welfare state for private profit by obscenely rich ruling class oligarchs) cannot be said aloud, either via the fact that these people fund them or because they are ruling class themselves.

People are angry and will vote for the permitted electoral option that skips the dog whistles and tell them what they want to hear, and that's the far-right lot. A lot of people are going to suffer immensely because the super rich cannot give up even a bit of their wealth.

If you think I'm woke or whatever then go ahead and block me. I'm done debating what's been right in front of our ****ing eyes my entire adult life.

[Keith_M]

You had the chance for a left wing government but it was made clear that option wouldn't be allowed. Liberals are happy to pal up with fascists because they don't threaten their business interests.

It is inevitable. Sorry.


A left wing government that might have threatened the interests of the well off and was also willing to criticise Israel.

Two factors that finally united all sides of the Media.

[SHODAN]

A left wing government that might have threatened the interests of the well off and was also willing to criticise Israel.

Two factors that finally united all sides of the Media.

Maybe the upcoming generations won't grow up with this subjugated mentality of automatically deferring to people with a recieved pronounciation or double-barrelled surname and all these hacks will lose their influence. I won't hold my breath though.

[JimBHibees]

Musk will be quaking at the thought of a maximum £20,000 fine from the Electoral Commission.

Indeed

[Mon Dieu4]

Unfortunately they are probably going to be in the Scottish and UK landscape quite a lot in the coming years, so thought a thread of their own rather than posting in the Tory thread for them.

The Sunday Times is reporting Musk might give them $100 million to help them fight the next election. He'll bypass funding rules by giving them it from his X UK branch. Horrendous stuff can see Trump promoting them openly in future too

If he does then it's just the Social Media Age version of what Murdoch has done for years, it's nothing new

[babahibs]

You had the chance for a left wing government but it was made clear that option wouldn't be allowed. Liberals are happy to pal up with fascists because they don't threaten their business interests.

Labour and the Tories blame absolutely everything - failing health services, cost of living etc etc on immigrants, the poor, Muslims, trans people and any other marginalised groups because the real reason (capitalist price gouging, open wealth transfer and dismantling of the welfare state for private profit by obscenely rich ruling class oligarchs) cannot be said aloud, either via the fact that these people fund them or because they are ruling class themselves.

People are angry and will vote for the permitted electoral option that skips the dog whistles and tell them what they want to hear, and that's the far-right lot. A lot of people are going to suffer immensely because the super rich cannot give up even a bit of their wealth.

If you think I'm woke or whatever then go ahead and block me. I'm done debating what's been right in front of our ****ing eyes my entire adult life.

Very well said :aok:

[Paul1642]

Reform are a one trick pony.

We are an island nations with a powerful navy. “Stopping the boats” shouldn’t be hard. Succeed in doing that and the reform bubble is burst.

Unfortunately we won’t and Reform will probably end up the opposition next parliament.

[Jones28]

If these ****ers get anywhere near having any real influence I am done with politics. Really it’s been a slow burn since the independence referendum but if the likes of Elon Musk start having a hand in anything then I’m out. It’s a pointless excercise and the *******s will always have the upper hand.

[superfurryhibby]

The last few years has seen self-righteous groups, including in large parts of the Media, pour the blame for practically everything on a part of society that now feels marginalised, ignored... and even ostracised.

Want somebody to blame for an issue you feel strongly about? No problem, there's always an easy target.

When this happens, many of the same people lean towards groups, political parties, etc that they feel either listen to their concerns, or are at the very least oppose the 'establishment' .

This is a problem that has been caused, over the last couple of decades, by both left-leaning liberals, and conservatives alike.

Maybe it's time to take a step back and think about the effect that ignoring and/or marginalising large groups of society is having and consider if that really is the way forward.

Interesting that you highlight marginalising of large groups of society, yet I recall you scoffing when I suggested that alienation and marginalisation were factors behind recent unrest and social disruption we saw in recent events in Edinburgh?

[lapsedhibee]

If these ****ers get anywhere near having any real influence I am done with politics. Really it’s been a slow burn since the independence referendum but if the likes of Elon Musk start having a hand in anything then I’m out. It’s a pointless exercise and the *******s will always have the upper hand.

Don't think dictatorships really work like that, do they? You'll be expected to swear loyalty to/undying love for the dear leader like everyone else.

[Bostonhibby]

Don't think dictatorships really work like that, do they? You'll be expected to swear loyalty to/undying love for the dear leader like everyone else.So it works like the monarchy in England then?[emoji16]

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[AgentDaleCooper]

Interesting that you highlight marginalising of large groups of society, yet I recall you scoffing when I suggested that alienation and marginalisation were factors behind recent unrest and social disruption we saw in recent events in Edinburgh?
IMO, one of Liberalism's problems is that it assumes its morals are the end of the story, that we've basically reached a kind of intellectual nirvana when it comes to the principals of ethics (a bit like Francis ***uyama declaring the fall of the Berlin wall as "the end of history"...nope, it wasn't!)

[lapsedhibee]

So it works like the monarchy in England then?[emoji16]


Think it's only MPs that do that, isn't it? Maybe Lords and judges too. I've never done it - I think jury duty maybe required something about a higher being, but that was more imaginary than King Charles, who's kind of, in a way, real.

[grunt]

Just 5 MPs you say? Let's put that **** on the BBC again!

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[Smartie]

Just 5 MPs you say? Let's put that **** on the BBC again!

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A head to head between Alastair Campbell and Nigel Farage sounds uncharacteristically interesting for Question Time tbh.

If Farage is to appear then having at least 1 person who will challenge his pish is good.

[Jones28]

A head to head between Alastair Campbell and Nigel Farage sounds uncharacteristically interesting for Question Time tbh.

If Farage is to appear then having at least 1 person who will challenge his pish is good.

Campbell will obliterate him.

[matty_f]

If these ****ers get anywhere near having any real influence I am done with politics. Really it’s been a slow burn since the independence referendum but if the likes of Elon Musk start having a hand in anything then I’m out. It’s a pointless excercise and the *******s will always have the upper hand.

I think it’s almost impossible to avoid the influence of Musk etc.

I’m very left leaning politically, I despise the likes of Trump and Farage and Johnson etc. I take care not to share content from them to try and avoid feeding algorithms yet still, if I go on twitter and it’s on the “for you” page then the feed is full of that stuff, or conspiracy theories, anti-vax, anti-Labour (as soon as they were elected the volume of extreme anti-Starmer content sky rocketed - I’m no fan of his but he’s two minutes in the door and I think I’ve seen more stuff aimed at him than I saw aimed at prime ministers in a year of the Tories), Andrew ****ing Tate , Russell Brand and all the other grifters.

I try to use Twitter as little as possible now, Bluesky has been a welcome alternative but I think it’s inevitable that folk will consume those grifters’ content to the extent that they not only accept it as true but agree with it, and that’s a real issue for politics going forward.

There is no balance, you have to actively seek out other sources for news than the mainstream to at least sense check what is being put out but I think a lot of folk simply won’t be bothered to do that.

[Hibs4185]

The only way to avoid reform and all this nonsense is to vote for independence.

Let’s face it, reform is an English party and the only reason they are interested in Scotland is because they can gain representation in the parliament due to our proportional representation system.

They don’t believe in the union because it is good for Scotland, they believe in the union because it’s good for England and having MSP’s boosts their profile and credibility as a party rather than a fringe party.

The yes movement has two years to sort itself out or we are going to be dragged into Elon Musk’s and Farage’s UK.

[Stairway 2 7]

The only way to avoid reform and all this nonsense is to vote for independence.

Let’s face it, reform is an English party and the only reason they are interested in Scotland is because they can gain representation in the parliament due to our proportional representation system.

They don’t believe in the union because it is good for Scotland, they believe in the union because it’s good for England and having MSP’s boosts their profile and credibility as a party rather than a fringe party.

The yes movement has two years to sort itself out or we are going to be dragged into Elon Musk’s and Farage’s UK.

I think that's an quite wrong utopian vision of a left wing Scotland. Yes we are more to the left of England in general but we have our fair share of bigots and tories. Reform just came in 3rd in 5 of the last 6 by-election. Tories and reform are polling around 25% of people asked in Scotland recently, they are clearly ahead of the greens and Lib dems in polling now

[jamie_1875]

I think Refrom will take seats in Holyrood in 2026, going by polling about 8-12 but as it will all be list seats I am not sure who loses out. I suspect a mixture of the Tories, the Greens and Lib Dems. Alba seem to be nowhere.

[wookie70]

The only good that come from reform is if there is a massive difference in how they do electorally in Scotland and Westminster. Having the Tories and Labour repeatedly forced upon is is bad enough but I suspect Reform may be something that improves the chances of Independence.

[Stairway 2 7]

I think Refrom will take seats in Holyrood in 2026, going by polling about 8-12 but as it will all be list seats I am not sure who loses out. I suspect a mixture of the Tories, the Greens and Lib Dems. Alba seem to be nowhere.

Last poll had them on 14 and almost all of theirs and Labour gains coming from the SNP, all their seats to be won on regional votes too. Their support seems spread with them coming third in Aberdeen, Dumbarton, Glasgow north east and Aaron for example.

https://ballotbox.scot/survation-november-2024/
BallotBoxScot
Poll Analysis: Survation 1st - 15th of November 2024

Holyrood Seats Projection:
SNP ~ 38
Labour ~ 36
Conservative ~ 21
Reform UK ~ 14
Green ~ 10
Lib Dem ~ 10

Independence:
No ~ 52% : Yes ~ 48%

[jamie_1875]

The only good that come from reform is if there is a massive difference in how they do electorally in Scotland and Westminster. Having the Tories and Labour repeatedly forced upon is is bad enough but I suspect Reform may be something that improves the chances of Independence.

Didn't Scotland vote Labour and get Labour at the last election, not exactly being forced on us when they got more votes than any other party are they!

As for helping Indy if the poll above is accurate that's a massive pro UK majority in the Scottish Parliament for 2026.

[AgentDaleCooper]

One big problem IMO is reflected in the coverage of what is going on in France just now - on the front page, it's all talk about Le Pen, she'll get all the headlines and the possibility of a government genuinely representing working people will be hidden from view whilst quashed. The centre (the political centre anyway, e.g. the PLP) would genuinely prefer fascism to anything even reflecting a post WW2 new deal, let alone socialism (for the many, that is). Hope to be proven a blathering idiot.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Getting a bit tired of hearing Nigel Fascist saying no,no,no when he hears something that he doesn't like , and then goes unchallenged. Heard that also from Clarkson, who is the current Reform centrefold. The media have to do better.

[Bostonhibby]

Getting a bit tired of hearing Nigel Fascist saying no,no,no when he hears something that he doesn't like , and then goes unchallenged. Heard that also from Clarkson, who is the current Reform centrefold. The media have to do better.[emoji106]

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[McD]

Getting a bit tired of hearing Nigel Fascist saying no,no,no when he hears something that he doesn't like , and then goes unchallenged. Heard that also from Clarkson, who is the current Reform centrefold. The media have to do better.


Watched question time the other day, for the first time in donkeys. He spent a large proportion of the show just shouting over other people when they were talking, particularly alistair Campbell, who wasn’t cowed by it. At one point, the first time AC spoke, it probably took him 3 times as long to finish what he was saying because Farage kept bellowing his slogans at him. Barely checked by the presenter of course.


Wasn’t just AC either, he did it to the conservative and Labour representatives as well. Constant airtime from the BBC, however he wasn’t happy when a member of the audience described the rhetoric in Britain right now as very similar to 1930s Germany, and tried to bluster his way out of the comparison

[Bostonhibby]

Watched question time the other day, for the first time in donkeys. He spent a large proportion of the show just shouting over other people when they were talking, particularly alistair Campbell, who wasn’t cowed by it. At one point, the first time AC spoke, it probably took him 3 times as long to finish what he was saying because Farage kept bellowing his slogans at him. Barely checked by the presenter of course.


Wasn’t just AC either, he did it to the conservative and Labour representatives as well. Constant airtime from the BBC, however he wasn’t happy when a member of the audience described the rhetoric in Britain right now as very similar to 1930s Germany, and tried to bluster his way out of the comparisonHe certainly does enjoy airtime and other media coverage that seems disproportionate to his parties tiny parliamentary presence but that ones down to our media and it's owners and influencers respectively.

The laxity he enjoys on the likes of question time and Keunsberg is even more adulation based than even Bozo enjoyed and that takes some doing.

Bullies tend to shout loudest and shout people down and it seems to be a characteristic of some of the people who are now turning to reform in parts of England, notably a few traditionally tory areas.

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[Ozyhibby]

He certainly does enjoy airtime and other media coverage that seems disproportionate to his parties tiny parliamentary presence but that ones down to our media and it's owners and influencers respectively.

The laxity he enjoys on the likes of question time and Keunsberg is even more adulation based than even Bozo enjoyed and that takes some doing.

Bullies tend to shout loudest and shout people down and it seems to be a characteristic of some of the people who are now turning to reform in parts of England, notably a few traditionally tory areas.

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He gets on because he brings viewers unfortunately.


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[jamie_1875]

He gets on because he brings viewers unfortunately.


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I was just thinking that, people saying they haven't watched QT in years but then tuning in to watch because he is on. Exactly why he is on.

[Bostonhibby]

He gets on because he brings viewers unfortunately.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYeah, there's definitely a lot of folk attracted to his oratory at the moment.

Be intriguing to see how the talk converted to actual delivery if he ever found himself on the inside looking out rather than where he has permanently been in the past.

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[NORTHERNHIBBY]

I heard Farage on Nick Ferrari's show on LBC not long after the election and it was chummy to say the least. That didn't really bother me as they both peddle the same narrative but Ferrari gave him the platform to quite rightly make the point that he is now a democratically elected MP. What he didn't do though, was hold him to account in any way shape or form.

[Bostonhibby]

I heard Farage on Nick Ferrari's show on LBC not long after the election and it was chummy to say the least. That didn't really bother me as they both peddle the same narrative but Ferrari gave him the platform to quite rightly make the point that he is now a democratically elected MP. What he didn't do though, was hold him to account in any way shape or form.Farage is big on rights, the right to be heard but responsibility and accountability doesn't seem like a strong point

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[Andy Bee]

Nick Candy the property billionaire now the Reform Party treasurer and pledging over a £1m in donations. He's also predicting another £40m donations from business owners who previously funded the Tories, that'll take Reform into the levels of Tory and Labour finances. Add to that the rumours of Musks £100m and if indeed it's true that money wins elections then PM Farage is a possibility. Worryingly for Scotland, they'll have the funds to field a candidate in every constituency for regional and list votes in 2026. We're going to see a seriously toxic Scottish Tory Party in the next year or so to combat Reform.

[Smartie]

Nick Candy the property billionaire now the Reform Party treasurer and pledging over a £1m in donations. He's also predicting another £40m donations from business owners who previously funded the Tories, that'll take Reform into the levels of Tory and Labour finances. Add to that the rumours of Musks £100m and if indeed it's true that money wins elections then PM Farage is a possibility. Worryingly for Scotland, they'll have the funds to field a candidate in every constituency for regional and list votes in 2026. We're going to see a seriously toxic Scottish Tory Party in the next year or so to combat Reform.

Is a serious split in the right wing vote that bad a thing?

And re them putting up candidates in Scotland etc - one trip to Ibrox would suggest that there are many who would support their position and that has always been the case. Whilst it's an unpleasant thought and I am absolutely no fan of their policies - is it not a feature of a stronger democracy that people have someone to vote for who represents their own values, hopes and aspirations, even if they are vile?

[Ozyhibby]

Is a serious split in the right wing vote that bad a thing?

And re them putting up candidates in Scotland etc - one trip to Ibrox would suggest that there are many who would support their position and that has always been the case. Whilst it's an unpleasant thought and I am absolutely no fan of their policies - is it not a feature of a stronger democracy that people have someone to vote for who represents their own values, hopes and aspirations, even if they are vile?

Reform will take votes from Labour as well. Lots of them. Labour won a landslide on 34% of the vote. I wouldn’t under estimate what Reform are capable of.


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[Hibs4185]

This is why it’s imperative that all independence supporters put their differences aside and come together and vote strategically to gain an independence majority.

[Andy Bee]

Is a serious split in the right wing vote that bad a thing?

And re them putting up candidates in Scotland etc - one trip to Ibrox would suggest that there are many who would support their position and that has always been the case. Whilst it's an unpleasant thought and I am absolutely no fan of their policies - is it not a feature of a stronger democracy that people have someone to vote for who represents their own values, hopes and aspirations, even if they are vile?

On the point of representing your own values, do Reform represent any given values or are those values simply manufactured and peddled by the MSM at an alarming rate in the quest to secure power, is that democracy?

If you want democracy then Direct Democracy and Popular Sovereignty are the only way I can think of.

[jamie_1875]

This is why it’s imperative that all independence supporters put their differences aside and come together and vote strategically to gain an independence majority.

There is an Independence majority now in the Scottish Parliament. SNP + Greens + Alba.

If a large enough percentage of people voted Reform then while many dislike their politics isn't it right they get elected officials, that's democracy isn't it?

That old saying I may not like what you have to say but I will defend your right to say it etc.

[Ozyhibby]

This is why it’s imperative that all independence supporters put their differences aside and come together and vote strategically to gain an independence majority.

Given the SNP has now fallen back in popularity then a both votes SNP strategy is now worthwhile again as in 2011.


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[Hibs4185]

Given the SNP has now fallen back in popularity then a both votes SNP strategy is now worthwhile again as in 2011.


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Crucially yes is now at 54%. If the majority of those 54% vote strategically we could be in good shape.

Wish the guys who do x posts on twitter about which area and voting strategy is best, were a bit more prominent

[Smartie]

There is an Independence majority now in the Scottish Parliament. SNP + Greens + Alba.

If a large enough percentage of people voted Reform then while many dislike their politics isn't it right they get elected officials, that's democracy isn't it?

That old saying I may not like what you have to say but I will defend your right to say it etc.

That's sort of my take on it.

I also think that we have a unique opportunity in Scotland where the SNP can ruthlessly tackle them head on and call out their nonsense - which is the way to beat them. Let them have their say, let them make their arguments and beat them with a stronger one. The main parties down South have their hands tied somewhat when it comes to this due to the terror of losing red wall voters. Large scale pandering is about all they can do.

[wookie70]

Given the SNP has now fallen back in popularity then a both votes SNP strategy is now worthwhile again as in 2011.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk They will still not get as many Independent friendly MSPs doing it that way. The vote SNP twice showed how much power meant over Indi at the last election. We need a party that is clearly focused on Independence and that hasn't been the SNP for a while

[Paul1642]

I think the next Scottish parliament is going to be a tricky one with reform being the real wildcard.

I can’t see anyone taking a majority and I also can’t see any obvious collations which are both politically and mathematically possible on current seat projections.

The poll tracker Im looking at just now has seats (62 needed for a majority) as follows:

SNP - 50
Labour - 30
Conservatives - 16
Reform - 13
Greens - 10
Lib Dem’s - 10

If Labour continue to be unpopular in government their votes potentially decrease but where do they go?

[lapsedhibee]

I think the next Scottish parliament is going to be a tricky one with reform being the real wildcard.

I can’t see anyone taking a majority and I also can’t see any obvious collations which are both politically and mathematically possible on current seat projections.

The poll tracker Im looking at just now has seats (62 needed for a majority) as follows:

SNP - 50
Labour - 30
Conservatives - 16
Reform - 13
Greens - 10
Lib Dem’s - 10

If Labour continue to be unpopular in government their votes potentially decrease but where do they go?

29 is a high number in Scotland for right-of-centre parties. The BBC's relentless airtiming of Farage is going to scupper Scottish politics just as it has UK politics.

[Andy Bee]

The latest Norstat poll for The Times has SNP ON 59 seats, Labour 20, Tory 19, Reform 13, Lib Dems 11 and Greens 7, I'm not thinking things will stay like that but assuming SNP lose a fair few percentage points because of the upcoming MSM onslaught over the next year or so, can the remaining parties form a Government including Reform, it's political suicide aint it?

[Jones28]

Which seats in Scotland are polling for Reform? :confused:

[Stairway 2 7]

Which seats in Scotland are polling for Reform? :confused:

The polls vary massively so wouldn't put to much into them this far out from election but reform have came third in a number of council elections in recent months. It's all over from Aberdeen, Dumbarton, Glasgow, Aaron. If they pump money in and have the media the will be clear in at least 4th it looks

[Ozyhibby]

The latest Norstat poll for The Times has SNP ON 59 seats, Labour 20, Tory 19, Reform 13, Lib Dems 11 and Greens 7, I'm not thinking things will stay like that but assuming SNP lose a fair few percentage points because of the upcoming MSM onslaught over the next year or so, can the remaining parties form a Government including Reform, it's political suicide aint it?

Where do reform voters come from? I would say primarily former Tory voters very closely followed by former Labour voters?
Maybe Lib Dem and SNP behind that? Greens very unlikely.


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[superfurryhibby]

Where do reform voters come from? I would say primarily former Tory voters very closely followed by former Labour voters?
Maybe Lib Dem and SNP behind that? Greens very unlikely.


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Possibly as you say but keep in mind there are a lot of people who don't ordinarily vote, the apathetic, disillusioned, marginalised and disaffected. There will be plenty of Reform supporters drawn from this demographic.

[Pretty Boy]

Possibly as you say but keep in mind there are a lot of people who don't ordinarily vote, the apathetic, disillusioned, marginalised and disaffected. There will be plenty of Reform supporters drawn from this demographic.

:agree:

The political landscape has arguably never been more suited to a party coming along and upsetting the status quo.

A political class that has increasingly become the preserve of the career politician. A chattering class who belittle and mock the once working class but now underclass, who feign concern but really want to talk at them rather than to them. People increasingly devoid of the opportunity for social mobility, locked out of the housing market and living in a society in which hard work doesn't guarantee earning enough to live on. It's not hard to see why a party approaching the extremes is doing well.

They aren't the answer of course, deep down I think most know they aren't the answer, and some of the characters are even causation, but they give an illusion of listening to concerns and then provide easy answers and scapegoats. The answers coming back from the other side are sadly lacking; a left that is increasingly irrelevant, out of touch and destined for obscurity in Europe and beyond and a current political class that are offering more of the same.

If someone looks at the last 2 decades in Europe (and elsewhere) and their only conclusion is that everyone is thick and racist then they aren't thinking hard enough.

[Andy Bee]

Raise the tax threshold to £20k
Scrap interest payments on QE money saving £35bn
20p off of fuel duty
Scrap IHT for everyone under £2m estate
Scrap VAT and green levies on energy saving households £500 a year
Scrap stamp duty for properties under £750k
Raise the profit threshold to £100k for corporation tax and lower it to 20% and 15% from year three
Abolish IR35 rules
Lift the VAT threshold to £150k
Abolish business rates for high street SMEs and introduce a 4% tax to online delivery companies
Scrap the TV license
Introduce an anti corruption unit for Westminster which can investigate past and present crimes


Just some of the policies, there's obviously loads around immigration and Brexit. If Farage gets that message out which seems likely as the BBC love him and people actually believe him then he'll take votes off all parties. Obviously the Tories being the main loser though.

[superfurryhibby]

Raise the tax threshold to £20k
Scrap interest payments on QE money saving £35bn
20p off of fuel duty
Scrap IHT for everyone under £2m estate
Scrap VAT and green levies on energy saving households £500 a year
Scrap stamp duty for properties under £750k
Raise the profit threshold to £100k for corporation tax and lower it to 20% and 15% from year three
Abolish IR35 rules
Lift the VAT threshold to £150k
Abolish business rates for high street SMEs and introduce a 4% tax to online delivery companies
Scrap the TV license
Introduce an anti corruption unit for Westminster which can investigate past and present crimes


Just some of the policies, there's obviously loads around immigration and Brexit. If Farage gets that message out which seems likely as the BBC love him and people actually believe him then he'll take votes off all parties. Obviously the Tories being the main loser though.


Some decent suggestions ( not convinced by business rates, blanket reductions in corporate tax, scrapping green levies ) but we would need to raise revenue elsewhere to compensate the loss of revenue.

I'd suggest a tax on excessive profiteering businesses, starting with the energy companies.

[Hibs4185]

Reform won’t win any seats in Scotland, they’ll pick up MSP’s through the list system.

Hopefully they steal voters from Labour and Tories and further fracture the unionist parties.

[cabbageandribs1875]

oopsie

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[SHODAN]

Reform won’t win any seats in Scotland, they’ll pick up MSP’s through the list system.

Hopefully they steal voters from Labour and Tories and further fracture the unionist parties.

Not sure it really matters. Sarwar will 100% take support from Reform (and the Tories) to form a coalition if the alternative is the SNP/Greens. Their ideological differences are minimal.

We're going to have a very nasty government in 2026 after the election.

[Stairway 2 7]

Farage and Nick Candy met Musk and JD Vance at Mar A Lago yesterday and Farage says Musk is interested in investing. The media old and new seem to be doing the Far rights bidding just now

[Pretty Boy]

Farage and Nick Candy met Musk and JD Vance at Mar A Lago yesterday and Farage says Musk is interested in investing. The media old and new seem to be doing the Far rights bidding just now

It will be interesting to see how long the likes of Trump, Farage and Musk can keep pretending they are outsiders rallying against the 'legacy media' and forging a brave new path of 'real news'.

It all seems faintly ludicrous. The New York inherited wealth billionaire, the ex city banker turned career politician and the richest man in the world painting themselves as anti establishment and people believing it. Add to that them trying to pretend the major news companies are all radical socialist organisations pumping out left wing propaganda 24/7. The press has largely failed people but not because it has lurched to the far left but rather because it hasn't held the absolute political dominance of the right to account properly in decades.

They, and in particular Trump, seem to be lightning rods for the disaffected though and all logic goes out of the window. I suppose desperate people will lap up people who are promising solutions, however fanciful or dangerous they may be; particularly when there is little to nothing of note coming from the other side. You only have to hope that as we continue on the downward spiral that is late stage capitalism people realise that Trump, Musk, Farage and their ilk are causation rather than cure.

[Stairway 2 7]

It will be interesting to see how long the likes of Trump, Farage and Musk can keep pretending they are outsiders rallying against the 'legacy media' and forging a brave new path of 'real news'.

It all seems faintly ludicrous. The New York inherited wealth billionaire, the ex city banker turned career politician and the richest man in the world painting themselves as anti establishment and people believing it. Add to that them trying to pretend the major news companies are all radical socialist organisations pumping out left wing propaganda 24/7. The press has largely failed people but not because it has lurched to the far left but rather because it hasn't held the absolute political dominance of the right to account properly in decades.

They, and in particular Trump, seem to be lightning rods for the disaffected though and all logic goes out of the window. I suppose desperate people will lap up people who are promising solutions, however fanciful or dangerous they may be; particularly when there is little to nothing of note coming from the other side. You only have to hope that as we continue on the downward spiral that is late stage capitalism people realise that Trump, Musk, Farage and their ilk are causation rather than cure.
It's wild they have managed to portray themselves as outsiders and men of the people, like you say. George W Bush did similar, just a simple cowboy that went to Yale.

It's really depressing that reform are the only outlet for the disenfranchised, I'd expected them to hoover the gready section of the boomer group anyway. Calling disenfranchised people stupid and ignoring anything they say, will just usher in reforms continued growth. There is a generation coming through that feels shafted. Poor quality pensions and jobs, no chance of owning a home and paying for net zero when the previous generations just burnt coal and gas

[grunt]

Apologies for the link to the Record, but story here about Reform's (now former) Scottish organiser having some unfortunate family relationships.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/farages-reform-party-sack-scots-34333898

[Smartie]

Apologies for the link to the Record, but story here about Reform's (now former) Scottish organiser having some unfortunate family relationships.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/farages-reform-party-sack-scots-34333898

I'd have thought those links would help them with their target demographic.

[superfurryhibby]

Apologies for the link to the Record, but story here about Reform's (now former) Scottish organiser having some unfortunate family relationships.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/farages-reform-party-sack-scots-34333898

"Nigel Farage’s Reform party organiser in Scotland has been sacked after a Record probe into his family’s links to a Loyalist terror plot.

Craig Campbell was removed as Scottish organiser of the right-wing party after we revealed his late dad was a UVF commander who was jailed following the bombing of Catholic pubs in Glasgow. His cousin Jason Campbell was also caged after he murdered Celtic fan Mark Scott by cutting his throat in an evil attack that shocked the country"

[JimBHibees]

"Nigel Farage’s Reform party organiser in Scotland has been sacked after a Record probe into his family’s links to a Loyalist terror plot.

Craig Campbell was removed as Scottish organiser of the right-wing party after we revealed his late dad was a UVF commander who was jailed following the bombing of Catholic pubs in Glasgow. His cousin Jason Campbell was also caged after he murdered Celtic fan Mark Scott by cutting his throat in an evil attack that shocked the country"

Nice family

[cabbageandribs1875]

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[Bostonhibby]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GfEwmfYXEAAVQNX?format=jpg&name=mediumTo be fair, he personally will take money from anyone and do most things to get it.

Had no qualms about taking his EU pension even though he let everyone know what a rebel he was by not attending.

Taken grifting to a whole new level.

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[Paul1642]

"Nigel Farage’s Reform party organiser in Scotland has been sacked after a Record probe into his family’s links to a Loyalist terror plot.

Craig Campbell was removed as Scottish organiser of the right-wing party after we revealed his late dad was a UVF commander who was jailed following the bombing of Catholic pubs in Glasgow. His cousin Jason Campbell was also caged after he murdered Celtic fan Mark Scott by cutting his throat in an evil attack that shocked the country"

To be fair Humza Yousaf’s brother in law was changed with dealing Heroin, abduction and extortion, all whilst Humza was FM.

Not suggesting Craig Campbell is a decent guy as I have never heard of him until this post, however I’m sure there are plenty people out there (and probably a few on here) who are thoroughly decent people despite having a ****bag family member or two.

[Ozyhibby]

Now offering to nationalise utilities and strategic industries. That’s how they will hoover up left wing votes.


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[Jones28]

Spoke to a guy yesterday who said they’re the way forward. It’s the first time I’d actually heard someone say it out loud and it made my skin crawl.

[Bostonhibby]

Spoke to a guy yesterday who said they’re the way forward. It’s the first time I’d actually heard someone say it out loud and it made my skin crawl.Farage is not trainee Trump jnr for nothing, he's learning. Promise as many folk as possible everything, even if they are diametrically opposed.
Then fill the void with rhetoric and bluster to distract from the serious business of self enrichment.

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[Ozyhibby]

Spoke to a guy yesterday who said they’re the way forward. It’s the first time I’d actually heard someone say it out loud and it made my skin crawl.

They are becoming a real threat because Labour and the Tories are so useless.


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[Ozyhibby]

Farage is not trainee Trump jnr for nothing, he's learning. Promise as many folk as possible everything, even if they are diametrically opposed.
Then fill the void with rhetoric and bluster to distract from the serious business of self enrichment.

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He could have learnt that from Starmer and Johnson.


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[Bostonhibby]

He could have learnt that from Starmer and Johnson.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkNearly said not on the same scale!

I'm rapidly losing patience with starmer but am happy to file Bozo and Farage under the grifter column. That said there's loads of voters round here who bought into the promises Bozo made and are now turning to Faragist party.

They made huge inroads to the safest tory seat in the country but the stuff I hear folk expecting Farage to deliver is a mix of scary and probably impossible.

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[Ozyhibby]

Nearly said not on the same scale!

I'm rapidly losing patience with starmer but am happy to file Bozo and Farage under the grifter column. That said there's loads of voters round here who bought into the promises Bozo made and are now turning to Faragist party.

They made huge inroads to the safest tory seat in the country but the stuff I hear folk expecting Farage to deliver is a mix of scary and probably impossible.

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What you promise is more important than delivery these days. Starmers promises when seeking the Labour leadership are legendary.


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[Bostonhibby]

What you promise is more important than delivery these days. Starmers promises when seeking the Labour leadership are legendary.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI agree, I'm only cutting some slack because where I am there's an awful lot of people who seem to think labour are responsible for the last 12 years and are conveniently glossing over the fact that they got what they voted for.

Theres a tendency to forget how long Starmer has been in power and has had to root out the reality of at least some of the areas of government.

Not a great start though given his majority.

Local MP down here was explaining at the last election not to expect miracles too early as there was a lot of things to sort out and his own party were the previous government but that was okay.



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[AgentDaleCooper]

He could have learnt that from Starmer and Johnson.


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Trump learned it from Vince McMahon, a different animal altogether

[Ozyhibby]

I agree, I'm only cutting some slack because where I am there's an awful lot of people who seem to think labour are responsible for the last 12 years and are conveniently glossing over the fact that they got what they voted for.

Theres a tendency to forget how long Starmer has been in power and has had to root out the reality of at least some of the areas of government.

Not a great start though given his majority.

Local MP down here was explaining at the last election not to expect miracles too early as there was a lot of things to sort out and his own party were the previous government but that was okay.



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Labour have to take some responsibility for the last 12 years in that they decided to leave the field of play when they went with Corbyn. Made Brexit and all that followed a slam dunk. Corbyn didn’t even campaign against Brexit.


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[Bostonhibby]

Labour have to take some responsibility for the last 12 years in that they decided to leave the field of play when they went with Corbyn. Made Brexit and all that followed a slam dunk. Corbyn didn’t even campaign against Brexit.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkOn the Corbyn point we agree.

UK is willing to jump to the extreme right without much more than a leap of faith, but a corbyn version going the other way, with too much detail to think about is long gone from here now, hence you get Blair and Starmer types who could equally have won an election as tory party leader.

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[AgentDaleCooper]

Blaming Corbyn while Labour get outflanked on the left....?

[Stairway 2 7]

Blaming Corbyn while Labour get outflanked on the left....?

Labour haven't been outflanked on the left in anyway. Their most obvious road to downfall is being not tough on immigration as that where the votes are going to Reform from. I agree Corbyn was pathetic on brexit

[superfurryhibby]

Blaming Corbyn while Labour get outflanked on the left....?

Corbyn and many other people on the far left had a long held distaste for the EU. NO surprise that he struggled to muster a passionate defence of it really.

[grunt]

Corbyn and many other people on the far left had a long held distaste for the EU. NO surprise that he struggled to muster a passionate defence of it really.
Allowing his personal feelings to override what is plainly best for the country? Thank god we were spared a Corbyn Government.

[lapsedhibee]

Allowing his personal feelings to override what is plainly best for the country? Thank god we were spared a Corbyn Government.

The Corbyn/lefty position on the EU at least made a bit of sense, in that free movement has the potential to lower wages for workers of the world. The righty position, that the EU was holding Britain back from being a global superpower again, made no sense at all.

[Bostonhibby]

Allowing his personal feelings to override what is plainly best for the country? Thank god we were spared a Corbyn Government.You're right but on the personal feelings/ambition point it's remarkable how the pro EU
Bozo quickly flipped to the leader of Brexit when the numbers suggested that was the way to jump in the inward looking Tory Leadership contest at the time, and beyond.

Like most aspects, personal aggrandisement came first.

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[AgentDaleCooper]

I'm not saying Corbyn would have been a brilliant PM or any of that stuff, though I think the idea that the rise of Reform rests on his crap Brexit campaigning is inventing a whole new level of reductionism.

everywhere around the world, liberalism is failing and fascism is rising. it's not Corbyn's fault.

[Bostonhibby]

I'm not saying Corbyn would have been a brilliant PM or any of that stuff, though I think the idea that the rise of Reform rests on his crap Brexit campaigning is inventing a whole new level of reductionism.

everywhere around the world, liberalism is failing and fascism is rising. it's not Corbyn's fault.Makes sense as well, my issue with Corbyn, as a Labour supporter/try to be socialist was simply that my feeling was that most of his potential electorate was pro Remain and he was weak bordering on non existent on the subject.

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[superfurryhibby]

Allowing his personal feelings to override what is plainly best for the country? Thank god we were spared a Corbyn Government.

If I remember correctly the Brexit issue was one in which people campaigned on a non aligned basis, although Labour's official position was to support remain?

As for thanking god, I suggest if the big man in the sky existed, Corbyn's compassion for other human beings would have been far better received than the charlatan's that were in power.

[grunt]

If I remember correctly the Brexit issue was one in which people campaigned on a non aligned basis, although Labour's official position was to support remain?
I think my point still stands. He was completely wrong on Brexit. He'd have been a disastrous PM.

[Bostonhibby]

I think my point still stands. He was completely wrong on Brexit. He'd have been a disastrous PM.We were very fortunate to avoid a misguided conviction politician as leader, and get the waiter & Bozo who managed a couple of fines, and we had the statesman like leadership of Dim Lizzy, Bozo and the waiter along the way.

Suppose 4 wrongs wouldn't make a right but I think Corbyn probably had more honesty and integrity about him even though he didn't get my vote.

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[AgentDaleCooper]

I think my point still stands. He was completely wrong on Brexit. He'd have been a disastrous PM.

that can all be totally true without him being responsible for the rise of Reform or Liberalism's current existential crisis.

[superfurryhibby]

We were very fortunate to avoid a misguided conviction politician as leader, and get the waiter & Bozo who managed a couple of fines, and we had the statesman like leadership of Dim Lizzy, Bozo and the waiter along the way.

Suppose 4 wrongs wouldn't make a right but I think Corbyn probably had more honesty and integrity about him even though he didn't get my vote.

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I didn't vote Labour either but I think Corbyn had more integrity than all of the others combined.

[grunt]

We were very fortunate to avoid a misguided conviction politician as leader, and get the waiter & Bozo who managed a couple of fines, and we had the statesman like leadership of Dim Lizzy, Bozo and the waiter along the way.

Suppose 4 wrongs wouldn't make a right but I think Corbyn probably had more honesty and integrity about him even though he didn't get my vote.To be clear I have no doubts about his honesty and integrity, and I'm sorry if I gave that impression. But I think he was a weak leader who was clearly 100% wrong about Brexit, which is for me the defining policy of the last 10 years. Anyone who follows my posts on here knows what I think of the Lying Tories.


that can all be totally true without him being responsible for the rise of Reform or Liberalism's current existential crisis.Agreed, and I don't think I suggested he was. Certainly didn't intend to.

[Bostonhibby]

Grunt

No bother, definitely wasn't how I read your post.

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[Stairway 2 7]

Allowing his personal feelings to override what is plainly best for the country? Thank god we were spared a Corbyn Government.

Not counting war (like Ukraine has destroyed the Russian economy or ww2 to Germany) I don't think there has been a worse political self harm a nation has done to itself. Corbyn is complicate with his Laissez-faire attitude.

[grunt]

Not counting war (like Ukraine has destroyed the Russian economy or ww2 to Germany) I don't think there has been a worse political self harm a nation has done to itself.
You'll get no argument from me on this.

[superfurryhibby]

Not counting war (like Ukraine has destroyed the Russian economy or ww2 to Germany) I don't think there has been a worse political self harm a nation has done to itself. Corbyn is complicate with his Laissez-faire attitude.

How can Corbyn be complicit (in what exactly ?) when he never held power to influence any decision ?

[AgentDaleCooper]

How can Corbyn be complicit (in what exactly ?) when he never held power to influence any decision ?

basically, the most significant cause of Brexit was his failure to campaign hard enough, and this is why Liberalism in the UK is faltering. Corbyn is who we have to thank for the rising cost of living, the housing crisis, and basically everything else, because his singular failure to campaign properly is the key counterfactual element to understanding the entire UK political landscape. Pointing to any other failures of Liberalism (I mean - are there any?) is simply distracting from the fact that Corbyn and the Left have cost us everything.

it's got nothing to do with the centre's punting of every possible service to the private sector (often by stealth), in spite of this being totally counter to UK public opinion (sauce - yougov poll on nationalisation (https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/50098-support-for-nationalising-utilities-and-public-transport-has-grown-significantly-in-last-seven-years)

if Reform UK take advantage of this - as they said they would in their previous manifesto, and have continued to signal towards r.e. Thames Water etc. - it's still Corbyn's fault.

If any vaguely left-leaning criticism is made of the centre, a completely valid response is "yeah, but at least we didn't get Corbyn", because acknowledgement of any left-wing criticisms of the political centre (save for some frustration about the lack of new housing being built) is essentially tacit support of Corbyn, the man who single handedly contributed more towards Brexit than any other politician in living memory - certainly more than Blair, Brown, the entire New Labour project, whose role in alienating the working classes of the UK was only superficial.

[superfurryhibby]

basically, the most significant cause of Brexit was his failure to campaign hard enough, and this is why Liberalism in the UK is faltering. Corbyn is who we have to thank for the rising cost of living, the housing crisis, and basically everything else, because his singular failure to campaign properly is the key counterfactual element to understanding the entire UK political landscape. Pointing to any other failures of Liberalism (I mean - are there any?) is simply distracting from the fact that Corbyn and the Left have cost us everything.

it's got nothing to do with the centre's punting of every possible service to the private sector (often by stealth), in spite of this being totally counter to UK public opinion (sauce - yougov poll on nationalisation (https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/50098-support-for-nationalising-utilities-and-public-transport-has-grown-significantly-in-last-seven-years)

if Reform UK take advantage of this - as they said they would in their previous manifesto, and have continued to signal towards r.e. Thames Water etc. - it's still Corbyn's fault.

If any vaguely left-leaning criticism is made of the centre, a completely valid response is "yeah, but at least we didn't get Corbyn", because acknowledgement of any left-wing criticisms of the political centre (save for some frustration about the lack of new housing being built) is essentially tacit support of Corbyn, the man who single handedly contributed more towards Brexit than any other politician in living memory - certainly more than Blair, Brown, the entire New Labour project, whose role in alienating the working classes of the UK was only superficial.


:top marks


Labour and the left should have stood firm with their beliefs. There was a chance to build on a groundswell of discontent with endless right wing government. Our undemocratic electoral system and the self serving professional political class ensured they didn't, but in time of rising fascism they would have a radical alternative to the greedy ******* interests who control our politicians.

[Bostonhibby]

basically, the most significant cause of Brexit was his failure to campaign hard enough, and this is why Liberalism in the UK is faltering. Corbyn is who we have to thank for the rising cost of living, the housing crisis, and basically everything else, because his singular failure to campaign properly is the key counterfactual element to understanding the entire UK political landscape. Pointing to any other failures of Liberalism (I mean - are there any?) is simply distracting from the fact that Corbyn and the Left have cost us everything.

it's got nothing to do with the centre's punting of every possible service to the private sector (often by stealth), in spite of this being totally counter to UK public opinion (sauce - yougov poll on nationalisation (https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/50098-support-for-nationalising-utilities-and-public-transport-has-grown-significantly-in-last-seven-years)

if Reform UK take advantage of this - as they said they would in their previous manifesto, and have continued to signal towards r.e. Thames Water etc. - it's still Corbyn's fault.

If any vaguely left-leaning criticism is made of the centre, a completely valid response is "yeah, but at least we didn't get Corbyn", because acknowledgement of any left-wing criticisms of the political centre (save for some frustration about the lack of new housing being built) is essentially tacit support of Corbyn, the man who single handedly contributed more towards Brexit than any other politician in living memory - certainly more than Blair, Brown, the entire New Labour project, whose role in alienating the working classes of the UK was only superficial.Very well put sir[emoji106]

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[superfurryhibby]

Very well put sir[emoji106]

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You do realise he's being ironic? :greengrin

[Bostonhibby]

You do realise he's being ironic? :greengrinOh yes[emoji6]

Living where I do I'm never far from hearing about what it would have been like under Corbyn, and all the ghastly things he would have done......and is still responsible for now.

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[Keith_M]

You do realise he's being ironic? :greengrin


I would have said sarcastic, but yeah.

:greengrin



Anyway, how come nobody's mentioned anti-semitism yet?

[Bostonhibby]

I would have said sarcastic, but yeah.

:greengrin



Anyway, how come nobody's mentioned anti-semitism yet?The Daily Mail, Daily Express,Times and Daily Telegraph "journalists" don't read Hibs.net?

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[Keith_M]

The Daily Mail, Daily Express,Times and Daily Telegraph "journalists" don't read Hibs.net?



:greengrin

[superfurryhibby]

I would have said sarcastic, but yeah.

:greengrin



Anyway, how come nobody's mentioned anti-semitism yet?

Sarcasm is the poor man's irony, no one ever said :-)

[Stairway 2 7]

How can Corbyn be complicit (in what exactly ?) when he never held power to influence any decision ?

He had the power as the leader of the opposition to campaign against brexit. He was clearly not fussy either way on the outcome and it showed. SNP and Lib Dems weren't in power but both campaigned strongly for remain. Lots of people are influenced by what there party says so every leader had power to influence.

I know a number of my dad's old Trot pals were wanting brexit due to despising the big business EU. It was beyond nieve to think we'd go more left wing outwith the EU. More than that it was a financial disaster we pay for every day. Labour should have been screaming vote remain

[grunt]

Anyway, about Reform ...

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[jamie_1875]

Anyway, about Reform ...

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If a French or German billionaire donated £100M to the campaign to get the UK back into the EU (or Scottish Independence or whatever cause you may support) would you similarly claim it was not on and should be banned?

Not a question intentionally directed at you, but if the large cash donation was to support and further a cause that people themselves also also strongly supported I wonder if they would feel it was similarly wrong and should not be allowed.

[Ozyhibby]

If a French or German billionaire donated £100M to the campaign to get the UK back into the EU (or Scottish Independence or whatever cause you may support) would you similarly claim it was not on and should be banned?

Not a question intentionally directed at you, but if the large cash donation was to support and further a cause that people themselves also also strongly supported I wonder if they would feel it was similarly wrong and should not be allowed.

I would ban all foreign donations completely and all corporate or union donations up to the level of £1000.
All funding would need to be based on membership fees and a level of state funding on top based on the size of party membership.
Labour had party finance reform in their manifesto but have now decided it’s too lucrative if your in power.


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[grunt]

If a French or German billionaire donated £100M to the campaign to get the UK back into the EU (or Scottish Independence or whatever cause you may support) would you similarly claim it was not on and should be banned?

Not a question intentionally directed at you, but if the large cash donation was to support and further a cause that people themselves also also strongly supported I wonder if they would feel it was similarly wrong and should not be allowed.
I'd like to think I would disapprove of this, although you're correct to point out that it would be a struggle. But democracy is about everyone having the same right to vote, and buying access is wrong. I hated it under the Lying Tories, I'd like to believe my conscience would keep me right even if it was in my own interest.

[Ozyhibby]

I'd like to think I would disapprove of this, although you're correct to point out that it would be a struggle. But democracy is about everyone having the same right to vote, and buying access is wrong. I hated it under the Lying Tories, I'd like to believe my conscience would keep me right even if it was in my own interest.

We should need to rely on your conscience. There should be strong rules.


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[lapsedhibee]

If a French or German billionaire donated £100M to the campaign to get the UK back into the EU (or Scottish Independence or whatever cause you may support) would you similarly claim it was not on and should be banned?

Not a question intentionally directed at you, but if the large cash donation was to support and further a cause that people themselves also also strongly supported I wonder if they would feel it was similarly wrong and should not be allowed.

Would go further and prevent all media organisations being controlled by non-residents of the UK.

[Stairway 2 7]

See Musk is backing AFD in Germany. It's not even populism it's vile far right parties he's championing

[Bostonhibby]

See Musk is backing AFD in Germany. It's not even populism it's vile far right parties he's championingWhy have an actual democracy when you can buy the type you want?

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[Hibrandenburg]

See Musk is backing AFD in Germany. It's not even populism it's vile far right parties he's championing

With Putin also filling their bank accounts, it's almost as if there's some kind of conspiracy happening.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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[Bostonhibby]

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GgSMkcSWsAIzVD4?format=jpg&name=largeProbably belatedly worked out what reform was/is

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[grunt]

L.O.L

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[Bostonhibby]

L.O.L

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[cabbageandribs1875]

They need an unelected rubber faced facist American billionaire like they have in the States.

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#PrayforNigel

[Bostonhibby]

#PrayforNigelI'll give that one a miss.....

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[Jim44]

They need an unelected rubber faced facist American billionaire like they have in the States.

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It’s worrying and depressing to think that one of the richest and most influential people in the world is a Nazi.

[silverhibee]

Who is your money on to stab Nigel in the back, 30p Lee or Rupert the hard working farmer.

My money is on Mr Lowe.

X has been a barrel of laughs the last few days, far right posters getting called out and disappearing from the platform.

[wookie70]

It’s worrying and depressing to think that one of the richest and most influential people in the world is a Nazi.

I'd wager the vast majority of the richest and most influential people in the world are pretty horrible individuals. The traits required to succeed in the modern world are all negative from what I can see in leaders.

[Bostonhibby]

Who is your money on to stab Nigel in the back, 30p Lee or Rupert the hard working farmer.

My money is on Mr Lowe.

X has been a barrel of laughs the last few days, far right posters getting called out and disappearing from the platform.30p is a shallow self centred grifter who isn't clever enough to get past the vile Lowe if Lowe wants it.

30p is more likely to invent a new party so he can join it, the 30p party will attract broadly similar types to those that currently follow him around.

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[grunt]

More fascist infighting ...

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[Paul1642]

Musk was always a bit of an arse but he’s loosing the plot now.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1876174862747930717?s=46&t=QfwAUDYQuecN_TDBpg3wPA

[grunt]

More from these Reform morons.

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[lapsedhibee]

More from these Reform morons.

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Habib throwing his hate in the ring for new leader.

[Bostonhibby]

Habib throwing his hate in the ring for new leader.I think they've either lost sight of who was a actually running the country for most of the period they are demonstrating their faux outrage over, and to whom the Jay report was handed over to, or there's an outside chance they maybe know what they are doing.

It's lucky we have such a well ordered society as the USA to oversee and sanction us.

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[AgentDaleCooper]

Musk was always a bit of an arse but he’s loosing the plot now.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1876174862747930717?s=46&t=QfwAUDYQuecN_TDBpg3wPA

That's genuinely quite scary.

[babahibs]

All of this **** is getting pretty scary to be honest, getting more and more unhinged.

[lapsedhibee]

All of this **** is getting pretty scary to be honest, getting more and more unhinged.

Let's hope it all goes the way of the Johnson government, when the lies and BS got too much for even the people who originally loved the scamp and voted him in.

[Smartie]

All of this **** is getting pretty scary to be honest, getting more and more unhinged.

I actually find it less scary the more unhinged it gets.

It’s just ridiculous.

[Andy Bee]

I actually find it less scary the more unhinged it gets.

It’s just ridiculous.

Yup, Andrew Tate now throwing his hat in the ring and apparently going to run to be "Britans" next Prime Minister, someone needs to tell him how our system works I think. It seems all these brats are just doing it for the bants. I'd just ban X altogether, it's getting out of control.

[Pretty Boy]

Yup, Andrew Tate now throwing his hat in the ring and apparently going to run to be "Britans" next Prime Minister, someone needs to tell him how our system works I think. It seems all these brats are just doing it for the bants. I'd just ban X altogether, it's getting out of control.

Is being Prime Minister not a bit 'gay' for Tate? Everything else is. Eating, being warm, kissing women..........

Guys is so far in the closet he sleeps next to Mr Tumnus. Definitely a case of the lady doth protest too much.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Musk was always a bit of an arse but he’s loosing the plot now.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1876174862747930717?s=46&t=QfwAUDYQuecN_TDBpg3wPA



Elon Geobbles strikes again. Championing the USA anshluss. Not sure he's a full blown Nazi, but definitely a Fascist.

[Hibrandenburg]

The evolution of fascism is a downward spiral with ever increasingly odious rhetoric. Once you've convinced enough of the electorate that it's all "their" fault, the centre parties will have to move right to survive and then the far right just needs to up the anti by saying the measures taken are not far enough and the downward spiral continues.

We're actually living it but still most don't want to see it.

[AgentDaleCooper]

The evolution of fascism is a downward spiral with ever increasingly odious rhetoric. Once you've convinced enough of the electorate that it's all "their" fault, the centre parties will have to move right to survive and then the far right just needs to up the anti by saying the measures taken are not far enough and the downward spiral continues.

We're actually living it but still most don't want to see it.

all we're waiting for is for the Fascists to out-flank Labour on their left and it's game over, save for some genuine left-wing opposition getting some traction.

I honestly can't see what moves liberalism has left to save itself.

[Smartie]

all we're waiting for is for the Fascists to out-flank Labour on their left and it's game over, save for some genuine left-wing opposition getting some traction.

I honestly can't see what moves liberalism has left to save itself.

The problem for any incumbent is that they have to actually deliver, and convince the electorate that they’re delivering.

That goes for Starmer and social democracy but also for Trump’s band of spivs, morons, racists and imbeciles.

There’s quite a lot of pressure on Starmer to ensure that we don’t end up seduced by the promises of the Tories or Reform.

Equally though, the Americans have turned their backs on Trump before when his presidency fell into chaos during covid.

I don’t think he’ll deliver on any of his Greenland or UK pish, but he is going to have to make Americans’ lives better, deliver world peace, build walls with Mexico and deport all the foreigners otherwise he just ends up being a fraud like all the others in the eyes of those who have bought into his promises.

I still think America’s institutions are too strong for him to successfully demolish in just 4 years.

[lapsedhibee]

The problem for any incumbent is that they have to actually deliver, and convince the electorate that they’re delivering.

That goes for Starmer and social democracy but also for Trump’s band of spivs, morons, racists and imbeciles.

There’s quite a lot of pressure on Starmer to ensure that we don’t end up seduced by the promises of the Tories or Reform.

Equally though, the Americans have turned their backs on Trump before when his presidency fell into chaos during covid.

I don’t think he’ll deliver on any of his Greenland or UK pish, but he is going to have to make Americans’ lives better, deliver world peace, build walls with Mexico and deport all the foreigners otherwise he just ends up being a fraud like all the others in the eyes of those who have bought into his promises.

I still think America’s institutions are too strong for him to successfully demolish in just 4 years.

But he didn't do those the things the first time round, and yet he got a bigger share of the vote this time. The American public is not rational.

[Bostonhibby]

The problem for any incumbent is that they have to actually deliver, and convince the electorate that they’re delivering.

That goes for Starmer and social democracy but also for Trump’s band of spivs, morons, racists and imbeciles.

There’s quite a lot of pressure on Starmer to ensure that we don’t end up seduced by the promises of the Tories or Reform.

Equally though, the Americans have turned their backs on Trump before when his presidency fell into chaos during covid.

I don’t think he’ll deliver on any of his Greenland or UK pish, but he is going to have to make Americans’ lives better, deliver world peace, build walls with Mexico and deport all the foreigners otherwise he just ends up being a fraud like all the others in the eyes of those who have bought into his promises.

I still think America’s institutions are too strong for him to successfully demolish in just 4 years.Unless of course his puppet master decides the orange guy should declare some crisis, real or imagined, and decide martial law leading to no need for real or any elections for a while is the way forward?
A wee arrangement like his pal Putin has?

A decade or so a go I'd have said this as a joke or to provoke debate but I think the orange guy will have trouble giving up, even if he has to. Why should law or the constitution get in his way.

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[Ozyhibby]

Unless of course his puppet master decides the orange guy should declare some crisis, real or imagined, and decide martial law leading to no need for real or any elections for a while is the way forward?
A wee arrangement like his pal Putin has?

A decade or so a go I'd have said this as a joke or to provoke debate but I think the orange guy will have trouble giving up, even if he has to. Why should law or the constitution get in his way.

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I’m not sure the US constitution allows that. Didn’t work in South Korea? Americans are not as placid as Russians in just accepting things.


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[Bostonhibby]

I’m not sure the US constitution allows that. Didn’t work in South Korea? Americans are not as placid as Russians in just accepting things.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkThat's always been my thinking, but we now have a US president who thinks it's okay to talk the way he does about Greenland for example.

I certainly agree on the comparison between Americans and Russians but an awful lot of Americans seem happy with how the orange guy talks, even if he does seem to fail to deliver, or even think about the big pledges, once elected.

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[Hibrandenburg]

But he didn't do those the things the first time round, and yet he got a bigger share of the vote this time. The American public is not rational.

Exactly this. All he has to do is convince his people that it was the "liberals, woke, deep state or any other bogey man" that held him back and promise more drastic consequences and he'll keep his core voters and likely increase his share of the vote.

[grunt]

I’m not sure the US constitution allows that. Didn’t work in South Korea? Americans are not as placid as Russians in just accepting things.
I keep thinking about how many guns they all seem to have in America.

[Ozyhibby]

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[grunt]

$100 million reasons for Farage to review his principles.

[Ozyhibby]

Be terrible for Reform to have Robinson. Will kill any momentum they have.


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[grunt]

Farage clarifies what he wants the child abuse inquiry to focus on.

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[Jones28]

Farage clarifies what he wants the child abuse inquiry to focus on.

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He wants a race study.

[babahibs]

He wants a race study.

He wants a ****ing slap.

[SHODAN]

Be terrible for Reform to have Robinson. Will kill any momentum they have.


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I'm not so sure it will any more.

The right keep going further and further right, their base lap it up, and before long Robinson will be taking Farage's obligatory seat on Question Time.

[grunt]

Wednesday: Nigel Farage, sitting with Reform UK MP James McMurdock who was jailed for attacking his girlfriend, says assaults on young women are out of control ...

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Thursday: Not a single Reform MP has bothered to turn up to today's House of Commons debate on tackling violence against women and girls

[grunt]

Remember how Farage loved the budget which crashed the economy

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[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Be terrible for Reform to have Robinson. Will kill any momentum they have.


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You would like to think so, but with racism, toxic masculinity and fascism on the rise, he could be the poster boy to rally around.

[AgentDaleCooper]

Be terrible for Reform to have Robinson. Will kill any momentum they have.


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with the traditional centre-ground, yes - but the problem is that the overton window is clearly shifting to the right, both socially and economically, and it won't take long until we're in a Trump-like situation, where people are willing to turn a blind eye to the most insane things...there's already all sorts from the Tories and Reform trying to normalise what Musk is up to.

[Stairway 2 7]

You would like to think so, but with racism, toxic masculinity and fascism on the rise, he could be the poster boy to rally around.

The people that like him generally don't vote but their voice is amplified because they shock. I saw a yougov poll that had his net favorablity minus 70 or something, bellow putin. A yougov poll this week had Musk at 18% favorable 64% unfavourable. A mega poll this week of 11k had Reform at around 70 MPs and SNP on around 35, who has had the most UK press between the two this month though, it's ridiculous.

[MKHIBEE]

He wants a ****ing slap.

I did laugh out loud at that

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Nigel Racist getting ahead of the curve by saying that he has no confidence in the Public Inquiry to be held into the Southport Murders. He should be nothing short of ashamed that he used the the slaughter of innocents to foment unrest that he would benefit from. He should be, but he isn't.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Nigel Racist getting ahead of the curve by saying that he has no confidence in the Public Inquiry to be held into the Southport Murders. He should be nothing short of ashamed that he used the the slaughter of innocents to foment unrest that he would benefit from. He should be, but he isn't.

An utter ****bag of a human.

Spreads misinformation causing absolute havoc and then spouts this pish so that his not insignificant fanbase won’t believe the findings of the enquiry. Welt.

[cabbageandribs1875]

ah, the good old days

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This link appeared on the Leeds for Europe group followed by this brilliant reposte..

5 January – Lorry drivers go on strike,
15 January – British Rail workers begin a 24-hour strike.
22 January – Tens of thousands of public-workers strike in the beginning of what becomes known as the Winter of Discontent.
12 February – Over 1,000 schools close due to the heating oil shortage caused by the lorry drivers' strike.
22 March – Richard Sykes, UK ambassador to the Netherlands, is shot dead by a Provisional Irish Republican Army member
4 April – Josephine Whitaker, a 19-year-old bank worker, is murdered in Halifax; police believe that she is the 11th woman to be murdered by the Yorkshire Ripper.
4 May – The Conservatives win the General Election by a 44-seat majority and Margaret Thatcher becomes the first female Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.
21 May Conservative MPs back Margaret Thatcher's proposals to sell off parts of nationalised industries.
5 May – Price of milk increases more than 10% to 15 pence a pint.
23 July – The government announces £4 billion worth of public spending cuts.
10 August–23 October – The entire ITV network in the UK is shut down by a technicians' strike
27 August Lord Mountbatten of Burma and two 15-year-olds, his nephew and a boatboy, are assassinated by a Provisional Irish Republican Army bomb.
Warrenpoint ambush: eighteen British soldiers are killed in Northern Ireland by IRA bombs.
2 September – Police discover a woman's body in an alleyway near Bradford city centre. The woman, 20-year-old student Barbara Leach, is believed to be the 12th victim of the mysterious Yorkshire Ripper mass murderer.
October – Statistics show a 2.3% contraction in the economy for the third quarter of the year, sparking fresh fears of another recession.
1 November – The government announces £3.5 billion in public spending cuts and an increase in prescription charges.
4 December – The Hastie Fire in Hull leads to the deaths of 3 boys and begins the hunt for Bruce George Peter Lee, the UK's most prolific killer.
In 1979 The most days lost to strikes since 1926!

[Bostonhibby]

An utter ****bag of a human.

Spreads misinformation causing absolute havoc and then spouts this pish so that his not insignificant fanbase won’t believe the findings of the enquiry. Welt.They can't think for themselves and Nige isn't one to pass up an opportunity to get in the spotlight. Copying his big buddy across the pond.

What he'd maybe like is a Nigel led enquiry with the appropriate fee for his services?

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[MKHIBEE]

ah, the good old days

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/480195481_1173031630873557_7289788964210189904_n.j pg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=aa7b47&_nc_ohc=50TVbKMbQYkQ7kNvgHLZvuG&_nc_oc=AdhssYltQdh8voAkntggtv7dbAMRnQfqn8IfsoVA9M5 JO8GwZeIBrhGW-lRPA230ZjA&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&_nc_gid=AFfEeUbiX6puAchDF-5VQ0P&oh=00_AYCK40jduQiyinN1Qgc0B4k2lz9YreOV9fOa3TakHfsv 5w&oe=67BAE602
This link appeared on the Leeds for Europe group followed by this brilliant reposte..

5 January – Lorry drivers go on strike,
15 January – British Rail workers begin a 24-hour strike.
22 January – Tens of thousands of public-workers strike in the beginning of what becomes known as the Winter of Discontent.
12 February – Over 1,000 schools close due to the heating oil shortage caused by the lorry drivers' strike.
22 March – Richard Sykes, UK ambassador to the Netherlands, is shot dead by a Provisional Irish Republican Army member
4 April – Josephine Whitaker, a 19-year-old bank worker, is murdered in Halifax; police believe that she is the 11th woman to be murdered by the Yorkshire Ripper.
4 May – The Conservatives win the General Election by a 44-seat majority and Margaret Thatcher becomes the first female Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.
21 May Conservative MPs back Margaret Thatcher's proposals to sell off parts of nationalised industries.
5 May – Price of milk increases more than 10% to 15 pence a pint.
23 July – The government announces £4 billion worth of public spending cuts.
10 August–23 October – The entire ITV network in the UK is shut down by a technicians' strike
27 August Lord Mountbatten of Burma and two 15-year-olds, his nephew and a boatboy, are assassinated by a Provisional Irish Republican Army bomb.
Warrenpoint ambush: eighteen British soldiers are killed in Northern Ireland by IRA bombs.
2 September – Police discover a woman's body in an alleyway near Bradford city centre. The woman, 20-year-old student Barbara Leach, is believed to be the 12th victim of the mysterious Yorkshire Ripper mass murderer.
October – Statistics show a 2.3% contraction in the economy for the third quarter of the year, sparking fresh fears of another recession.
1 November – The government announces £3.5 billion in public spending cuts and an increase in prescription charges.
4 December – The Hastie Fire in Hull leads to the deaths of 3 boys and begins the hunt for Bruce George Peter Lee, the UK's most prolific killer.
In 1979 The most days lost to strikes since 1926!

Yeah but there were no small boats coming across the channel is what he liked

[cabbageandribs1875]

and another one bites the dust

RUSSELL Findlay has been left red-faced after a Tory politician he once urged voters to back defected to Reform.

Alec Leishman, a councillor in Renfrewshire, has joined Nigel Farage’s party – one of a number of Conservatives who have jumped ship while the party tanks in the polls.

It is thought that so far six sitting Conservative councillors have defected to Reform, most notably Thomas Kerr, previously a high-profile Tory in Glasgow.

Findlay penned a newspaper piece for the Paisley Daily Express backing Leishman in the run-up to a council by-election in 2021.

The now Scottish Tory leader hailed Leishman as a “smart guy who wants to serve his community” and added: “He’s a pragmatic Conservative who loves Scotland just as much as any SNP supporter.”

[cabbageandribs1875]

Yeah but there were no small boats coming across the channel is what he liked


there's that as well of course, it's tough working out which part he liked most from that list

[Bostonhibby]

there's that as well of course, it's tough working out which part he liked most from that listThe being a Yakshire twat bit might feature?

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[cabbageandribs1875]

Trump-Supporting ARC Conference After Party Cancelled at London Nightclub Following Protests – Byline Times (https://bylinetimes.com/2025/02/19/trump-supporting-arc-conference-after-party-cancelled-at-london-nightclub-following-protests/?fbclid=IwY2xjawIjHyhleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHXw-7qL8_8n-kgaKo0NvUJe0dfXQXsquoMTAMSD5r1oY2K4P9f8vUizbjg_aem _wm0r325I1nscyzhtdtksgQ) poor Kemi & the Frog-faced Gimp

[cabbageandribs1875]

The being a Yakshire twat bit might feature?

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he didn't even need to include the Area bit to work out he's a tw*t :greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

Bit of boring admin.

Reform, the party, is no longer owned by Farage, Tice and Azami.

Their shares are now owned by Reform 2025 Limited, a company limited by guarantee (ie no shares and no "owners")

[grunt]

Reform, the party, is no longer owned by Farage, Tice and Azami.
Their shares are now owned by Reform 2025 Limited, a company limited by guarantee (ie no shares and no "owners")
What would be the rationale for that, do you think?

[CropleyWasGod]

What would be the rationale for that, do you think?

Being charitable (:rolleyes:), it's perhaps to bring them in line with the other major parties. None of them are "share" companies.

It also helps to reduce the accusations of Reform being a commercial, money-making, enterprise. In its former state, those 3 would technically be the beneficiaries of any financial success of the party.

Not being charitable, there may still be something dodgy about it. I'll leave that to the online people to theorise about :greengrin

[Berwickhibby]

Been mentioned before, but the support for Reform is growing, people that I considered rational are now throwing their support behind them …Good Grief 🙄

[lapsedhibee]

Been mentioned before, but the support for Reform is growing, people that I considered rational are now throwing their support behind them …Good Grief 🙄

Starmer probably needs a 'good war' to keep Farage and Refoam out of No 10 in 2029.

[Ozyhibby]

Starmer probably needs a 'good war' to keep Farage and Refoam out of No 10 in 2029.

That’s handy, we have just such an opportunity for him.


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[GlesgaeHibby]

Been mentioned before, but the support for Reform is growing, people that I considered rational are now throwing their support behind them …Good Grief 🙄

They're going to win the next general election, which is why Swinney needs to get the finger out on independence so we can escape more madness inflicted on us by English voters.

[Bishop Hibee]

More folk voted for Reform in Midlothian than voted Tory at the last General Election. Scotland isn’t immune from the fascist virus.

[Kato]

More folk voted for Reform in Midlothian than voted Tory at the last General Election. Scotland isn’t immune from the fascist virus.There was quite a few in the 30s. There was a book about the phenomenon printed a while back. One review said it "proved tricky for a new brand of bigotry to gain a foothold in an already crowded field", but they were well represented.

Weirdos.

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[Hibs4185]

More folk voted for Reform in Midlothian than voted Tory at the last General Election. Scotland isn’t immune from the fascist virus.

My father in law is from Bonnyrigg and every time I see him he’s spouting more and more GB news *ish. He’ll def vote reform

[Andy Bee]

Caroline Barton SNP wins Kilmarnock North, yup I know this is the Reform thread but thanks to them SNP gains from Labour. Reform 10.1% and SNP 35.8% a drop of nearly 12%

[grunt]

https://apple.news/AZFUaz-S1REuv_8ATRrOv_w

Nathan Gill, 51, ex UKIP, ex Brexit Party, and the former leader of Reform UK in Wales, has been charged with nine bribery offences after an investigation led by the Metropolitan police’s counter-terrorism command.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

lol ickle Liars, still the hard of thinking will vote for them

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[grunt]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c241n65qz9do

The former leader of Reform UK in Wales has appeared in court accused of accepting bribes to make statements in the European Parliament that would benefit Russia.

[lapsedhibee]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c241n65qz9do

The former leader of Reform UK in Wales has appeared in court accused of accepting bribes to make statements in the European Parliament that would benefit Russia.

So hope he sings like a canary.

[Hibrandenburg]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c241n65qz9do

The former leader of Reform UK in Wales has appeared in court accused of accepting bribes to make statements in the European Parliament that would benefit Russia.

There's going to be a few who have done this and not just from reform.

Hope he gets banged up in the Tower.

[Kato]

There's going to be a few who have done this and not just from reform.

Hope he gets banged up in the Tower.Should be top of the news on BBC TV tonight.

Let's see.

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[grunt]

No Reform MPs in the chamber of the HoC for the Foreign Secretary statement on 3 years of the Ukraine war.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/481915482_9177938892284346_3191520826022843437_n.j pg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=aa7b47&_nc_ohc=IE1s7EWWPVYQ7kNvgEoD3oS&_nc_oc=AdgNsETod3suI1zbk7tGmZ9bfPyuoUGrWNOYJOC42si t3rUfCyJH2QyG_RQHcmJlWpY&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&_nc_gid=AMzot1QduhB25II_VYLVPdE&oh=00_AYD5kmE1muVsRZmU-GA0Gi3MShVmdzfXVnBQBjncFZjXtw&oe=67CBDF82

[grunt]

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[Moulin Yarns]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:dgervzxt43cb3tc6n3n6rvd2/bafkreic5k7tikw24e7puxtp63l36az7xxpp3iy7rh3ujvknj5 onr4dpzgu@jpeg

Good on them for calling it out.

[Bostonhibby]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:dgervzxt43cb3tc6n3n6rvd2/bafkreic5k7tikw24e7puxtp63l36az7xxpp3iy7rh3ujvknj5 onr4dpzgu@jpegRats in a sack I think. Farage is probably at war with Lowe as of the moment Musk said he thought Lowe would be a better leader and Lowe called Reform a protest party.

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[Ozyhibby]

Good on them for calling it out.

Wouldn’t have been called out if there were not differences between them.


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[Kato]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:dgervzxt43cb3tc6n3n6rvd2/bafkreic5k7tikw24e7puxtp63l36az7xxpp3iy7rh3ujvknj5 onr4dpzgu@jpegInadequates

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[Pretty Boy]

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:dgervzxt43cb3tc6n3n6rvd2/bafkreic5k7tikw24e7puxtp63l36az7xxpp3iy7rh3ujvknj5 onr4dpzgu@jpeg

It's always the ones you least expect.........

[lapsedhibee]

It's always the ones you least expect.........

:greengrin

[grunt]

This idiot is an MP

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:vqka4tmwebdtqdtt63jbnx4v/bafkreifdtll2wiermziz5whqz5shrnbx3xfxisssnef54j636 q3w3mbz5i@jpeg

[lapsedhibee]

This idiot is an MP

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:vqka4tmwebdtqdtt63jbnx4v/bafkreifdtll2wiermziz5whqz5shrnbx3xfxisssnef54j636 q3w3mbz5i@jpeg

There is PLENTY wrong with being white, male, and Lowe.

[CropleyWasGod]

This idiot is an MP

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:vqka4tmwebdtqdtt63jbnx4v/bafkreifdtll2wiermziz5whqz5shrnbx3xfxisssnef54j636 q3w3mbz5i@jpeg

When is this from?

[Bostonhibby]

There is PLENTY wrong with being white, male, and Lowe.Rupert Lowe appealing to a segment of the voting market he seems an unlikely fit for?

It's almost as if he is on the point of being booted out of the Nigel party for daring to be more popular with Musk than Nigel, so he is now having to consider setting up his own version of the Nigel party to keep the grift going.

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[Smartie]

Rupert Lowe appealing to a segment of the voting market he seems an unlikely fit for?

It's almost as if he is on the point of being booted out of the Nigel party for daring to be more popular with Musk than Nigel, so he is now having to consider setting up his own version of the Nigel party to keep the grift going.

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The “white, male man baby with a sense of victimhood” is quite a broad church, unfortunately, containing many who have no credible claim whatsoever to be any sort of victim.

A group loved and explicitly targeted by fascists.

[overdrive]

This idiot is an MP

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:vqka4tmwebdtqdtt63jbnx4v/bafkreifdtll2wiermziz5whqz5shrnbx3xfxisssnef54j636 q3w3mbz5i@jpeg

That well known sign that you are in the far right - going to the gym :rotflmao:

[Paulie Walnuts]

That well known sign that you are in the far right - going to the gym :rotflmao:

I actually agree with Rupert. Just this morning I went to the gym and broke down in tears when I realised I was far right. Then I considered the fact I had a beer at the weekend and played football last night and it dawned on me. I’m not just far right, I’m pretty much an extremist.

[Ozyhibby]

That well known sign that you are in the far right - going to the gym :rotflmao:

No wonder everyone thinks I’m woke.[emoji23]


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[lapsedhibee]

I actually agree with Rupert. Just this morning I went to the gym and broke down in tears when I realised I was far right. Then I considered the fact I had a beer at the weekend and played football last night and it dawned on me. I’m not just far right, I’m pretty much an extremist.

You might be a far right extremist but you can't be a proper male if you shed tears, so relax, you're not in the victimised minority that Lowe is so concerned about. :tsk tsk:

[Bostonhibby]

The “white, male man baby with a sense of victimhood” is quite a broad church, unfortunately, containing many who have no credible claim whatsoever to be any sort of victim.

A group loved and explicitly targeted by fascists.Indeed, shooting fish in a barrel. Especially when a broader appeal is unlikely to see so many finding the Ruperts and Nigels so attractive.

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[Ozyhibby]

The ultimate failure for this lot will be the UK re-entering the EU.[emoji1696]


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[Jack]

Rupert Lowe appealing to a segment of the voting market he seems an unlikely fit for?

It's almost as if he is on the point of being booted out of the Nigel party for daring to be more popular with Musk than Nigel, so he is now having to consider setting up his own version of the Nigel party to keep the grift going.

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The How Lowe Can You Go Party.

[Bostonhibby]

The ultimate failure for this lot will be the UK re-entering the EU.[emoji1696]


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI'm sure they'll respect the wishes of a referendum to see what current and future generations want to do.

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[Kato]

This idiot is an MP

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:vqka4tmwebdtqdtt63jbnx4v/bafkreifdtll2wiermziz5whqz5shrnbx3xfxisssnef54j636 q3w3mbz5i@jpegNo mention of our industries being outsourced abroad by Maggie as getting a decent pay packet, a house and some stability within the working classes triggered them too much.

All out attacks on left-wing social politics but keep all that left-wing economics stuff well and truly out of the discourse. Don't want anyone seeing the real cause of societies woes getting any publicity at all. Wealth must be hoarded by the already rich at all costs.

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[grunt]

When is this from?
Sorry I don't know. It was posted by a deputy editor of the FT so I'd hope it's real, and recent. I don't have access to Twitter to check.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Sorry I don't know. It was posted by a deputy editor of the FT so I'd hope it's real, and recent. I don't have access to Twitter to check.

18:56 on 5th March 2025 on X. It’s definitely real.

https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/1897360612654465107?s=46&t=_ZiRVuCZCgN9sE2FGQcRPg

[grunt]

Fight!

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[cabbageandribs1875]

oh dear Reform UK candidate who praised Hitler and Assad put in charge of vetting | Reform UK | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/mar/16/reform-uk-candidate-who-praised-hitler-and-assad-put-in-charge-of-vetting?fbclid=IwY2xjawJDqIhleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHZA94 ntVW5MspY0HDXMjT695YnIKAG-4f2Qf5G0FMpzOHQyTe0bj8ke9nQ_aem_itiIqaGetPTlvNrwBR FSvw)

[Stairway 2 7]

******g goose stepping on in Scotland. Think it's now clear they will have a decent number of MSPs which with give them a bigger platform. Polling over 4 times that of the greens is wild

@electpoliticsuk
Westminster Voting Intention (Scotland):

SNP: 34% (-1)
LAB: 23% (+1)
REF: 17% (+4)
CON: 12% (-2)
LDM: 8% (=)
GRN: 4% (-2)
ALBA: 1% (=)

[Ozyhibby]

******g goose stepping on in Scotland. Think it's now clear they will have a decent number of MSPs which with give them a bigger platform. Polling over 4 times that of the greens is wild

@electpoliticsuk
Westminster Voting Intention (Scotland):

SNP: 34% (-1)
LAB: 23% (+1)
REF: 17% (+4)
CON: 12% (-2)
LDM: 8% (=)
GRN: 4% (-2)
ALBA: 1% (=)

Taking a lot of votes from Labour and Tories.


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[Hibrandenburg]

******g goose stepping on in Scotland. Think it's now clear they will have a decent number of MSPs which with give them a bigger platform. Polling over 4 times that of the greens is wild

@electpoliticsuk
Westminster Voting Intention (Scotland):

SNP: 34% (-1)
LAB: 23% (+1)
REF: 17% (+4)
CON: 12% (-2)
LDM: 8% (=)
GRN: 4% (-2)
ALBA: 1% (=)

Will Scotland or the UK have a German type firewall when it comes to working together with fascists?

[jamie_1875]

Reform will be lucky to get one or two seats. They have a lot of support amongst males aged 16-24 who aren't exactly known for rushing to the polls to vote on election day. Their candidates are going to be in the main very poor quality with a likely dodgy social media background. They have no real infrastructure in Scotland and I am not aware of any Scotland only policies they have for the Scottish election, do they have any? Its simple to say on a telephone or online poll that someone will vote Reform but on voting day I suspect they will be found floundering. The debates on TV with Swinney, Sarwar, Findlay and Farage are going to be good viewing though!

[Stairway 2 7]

Will Scotland or the UK have a German type firewall when it comes to working together with fascists?

It won't be needed as SNP will have close to a majority I reckon. All the parties have already said they won't work with them and I'm sure they won't as it would be suicide. I'm more worried how so many Scots, mostly working class from polling are falling for it. There is a huge number of voters disenfranchised from the political class and mainstream parties and these vultures are picking it up

[Ozyhibby]

It won't be needed as SNP will have close to a majority I reckon. All the parties have already said they won't work with them and I'm sure they won't as it would be suicide. I'm more worried how so many Scots, mostly working class from polling are falling for it. There is a huge number of voters disenfranchised from the political class and mainstream parties and these vultures are picking it up

Pretty sure Sarwar did not rule out using their votes to be FM?


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[Andy Bee]

Reform will be lucky to get one or two seats. They have a lot of support amongst males aged 16-24 who aren't exactly known for rushing to the polls to vote on election day. Their candidates are going to be in the main very poor quality with a likely dodgy social media background. They have no real infrastructure in Scotland and I am not aware of any Scotland only policies they have for the Scottish election, do they have any? Its simple to say on a telephone or online poll that someone will vote Reform but on voting day I suspect they will be found floundering. The debates on TV with Swinney, Sarwar, Findlay and Farage are going to be good viewing though!

Reform will take a shedload of seats on the list vote, all the more reason for Indy supporters to vote SNP 1 and another Indy 2

[jamie_1875]

Reform will take a shedload of seats on the list vote, all the more reason for Indy supporters to vote SNP 1 and another Indy 2

I guess we will see but I don't think they will as their 16-24 male base will not come out to vote. Look at the polls before the General Election nobody had the SNP on 9 seats, but a lot of voters stayed at home so the polls had them around 30 seats but they where way over stated as it's easy to say in a poll who you will vote for but when it comes to the day you need to vote. Also zero chance the SNP will be advocating SNP and any other party for vote 2, it will be both votes SNP.

[Andy Bee]

I guess we will see but I don't think they will as their base will not come out to vote. Look at the polls before the General Election nobody had the SNP on 9 seats, but a lot of voters stayed at home so the polls had them around 30 seats but they were way over stated as it's easy to say in a poll who you will vote for but when it comes to the day you need to vote. Also zero chance the SNP will be advocating SNP and any other party for vote 2, it will be both votes SNP.

I agree SNP will advocate for 1 and 2, doesn't mean people will adhere to it though. There's a lot more voters now that understand the 2nd vote SNP puts Unionist parties on seats.

[Stairway 2 7]

I agree SNP will advocate for 1 and 2, doesn't mean people will adhere to it though. There's a lot more voters now that understand the 2nd vote SNP puts Unionist parties on seats.

I don't think that's always the case and I thought read snp 1 2 could be the best policy this time since there's such a spread

[Andy Bee]

I don't think that's always the case and I thought read snp 1 2 could be the best policy this time since there's such a spread

If Reform field candidates in the constituency vote then both the Labour and Tories vote is divided by another party and if people are motivated enough to vote SNP 1 and AN other 2 with AN Other not fielding candidates in the constituency vote then SNP win a majority without list seats. AN Other only need 50% of SNP voters in the list to win a minimum of 4 seats in each region. In 2021 if 50% of SNP voters voted ALBA (politics aside, just an example) then there would've been 95 Indy supporting MSPs in Holyrood and that's without Reform splitting the vote.

[Stairway 2 7]

If Reform field candidates in the constituency vote then both the Labour and Tories vote is divided by another party and if people are motivated enough to vote SNP 1 and AN other 2 with AN Other not fielding candidates in the constituency vote then SNP win a majority without list seats. AN Other only need 50% of SNP voters in the list to win a minimum of 4 seats in each region. In 2021 if 50% of SNP voters voted ALBA (politics aside, just an example) then there would've been 95 Indy supporting MSPs in Holyrood and that's without Reform splitting the vote.
That's because snp won so many constituency last election, I can't see that happening this time. It could be more like the 2011 election, where the SNP won a majority 69 seats 53 constituency 16 list and snp 1 and 2 was the right policy

I'd be more confident if there was a plain less divisive independent choice for a second vote

[Andy Bee]

That's because snp won so many constituency last election, I can't see that happening this time. It could be more like the 2011 election, where the SNP won a majority 69 seats 53 constituency 16 list and snp 1 and 2 was the right policy

I'd be more confident if there was a plain less divisive independent choice for a second vote

I get that but I'm thinking the choice is either more of the same i.e. parties controlled by Westminster with the added bonus of Reform in Scottish politics or send a huge message of what could be 100 Indy supporting, Scottish only party MSPs in Holyrood. I'll be holding my nose again I think.

[jamie_1875]

I get that but I'm thinking the choice is either more of the same i.e. parties controlled by Westminster with the added bonus of Reform in Scottish politics or send a huge message of what could be 100 Indy supporting, Scottish only party MSPs in Holyrood. I'll be holding my nose again I think.

Is 100 Indy supporting MSPs representative of the people of Scotland? Clearly not so it would be a travesty for democracy. Just like I wouldn't want a Parliament than was all non Indy parties, it should be a fair representative of the people of Scotland.

[Andy Bee]

Is 100 Indy supporting MSPs representative of the people of Scotland? Clearly not so it would be a travesty for democracy. Just like I wouldn't want a Parliament than was all non Indy parties, it should be a fair representative of the people of Scotland.

I'll tell you what's a travesty for democracy and the reason why people have to resort to things like this, another Government not allowing a referendum. Please don't go down the 2014 route or i'll iggy yir ass.

[Ozyhibby]

I guess we will see but I don't think they will as their 16-24 male base will not come out to vote. Look at the polls before the General Election nobody had the SNP on 9 seats, but a lot of voters stayed at home so the polls had them around 30 seats but they where way over stated as it's easy to say in a poll who you will vote for but when it comes to the day you need to vote. Also zero chance the SNP will be advocating SNP and any other party for vote 2, it will be both votes SNP.

Aren’t Reform voters generally older?


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[Ozyhibby]

I don't think that's always the case and I thought read snp 1 2 could be the best policy this time since there's such a spread

With less constituency seats the list votes will be very important for the SNP.


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[Ozyhibby]

Is 100 Indy supporting MSPs representative of the people of Scotland? Clearly not so it would be a travesty for democracy. Just like I wouldn't want a Parliament than was all non Indy parties, it should be a fair representative of the people of Scotland.

I agree. I like the parliament to reflect Scotland even if it’s not to my liking. Democracy comes first.


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[jamie_1875]

Aren’t Reform voters generally older?


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"Its strongest support on the regional list vote is among those aged 16 to 24, replicating a trend witnessed with right-wing populist parties across the UK and Europe"

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/25019735.new-poll-shows-reform-will-gain-highest-support-scotland/

Mainly young males, hence why I said I would be surprised if they get the seats predicted.

[superfurryhibby]

The social media right wing presence is alarming me just now.

My Facebook feed is full of ordinary right wing, anti immigrant, posts which are lapped up by the public. I suspect many "people" are not actually real, but who knows. It's all about war, fighting back etc

Not sure how you buy space on the likes of Facebook, but I noted the same in the weeks before and after Trump was elected and the same again at the onset of the genocide in Gaza.

[Stairway 2 7]

"Its strongest support on the regional list vote is among those aged 16 to 24, replicating a trend witnessed with right-wing populist parties across the UK and Europe"

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/25019735.new-poll-shows-reform-will-gain-highest-support-scotland/

Mainly young males, hence why I said I would be surprised if they get the seats predicted.
That's a poll so a small sample and perhaps won't show in an actual election like you say

In the actual general election 2 million of there 3 million votes came from 43 to 56 year olds and another million were above that. They had a smaller vote share than the greens in 18-24 year olds, and almost half the votes. They done well in the older groups though and we're almost 2nd in the 65 plus, tories well out in front

https://www.dannydorling.org/?p=10237

[grunt]

Is 100 Indy supporting MSPs representative of the people of Scotland? Clearly not so it would be a travesty for democracy. Just like I wouldn't want a Parliament than was all non Indy parties, it should be a fair representative of the people of Scotland.
:confused:

If we have an election and Scotland votes in 100 Indy supporting MSPs how would that be a travesty for democracy?

[Jones28]

Saw a clip of a focus group on channel 4 news last night. It was Grimsby, where the vast majority picked Nigel Farage as their preference out of all the leaders of the main parties to be Prime Minister. This was despite the vast majority describing him in unpleasant terms in the previous few questions.

I really don't know what people want.

[lapsedhibee]

I really don't know what people want.
Three word slogans. Saves thinking.

[grunt]

Three word slogans. Saves thinking.Needs more work.

[Ozyhibby]

Saw a clip of a focus group on channel 4 news last night. It was Grimsby, where the vast majority picked Nigel Farage as their preference out of all the leaders of the main parties to be Prime Minister. This was despite the vast majority describing him in unpleasant terms in the previous few questions.

I really don't know what people want.

Most Trump voters have negative opinions about him as well but he is offering (but not really) simple solutions and giving them someone to blame.


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