The bottom 4 - Fixtures until New Year

[Unseen work]

This isn’t a “how many points will we get?” Thread, but more highlighting the massive task still ahead of us

We’ve moved off the bottom of the league today but it’s still incredibly tight at the bottom and imo we have the hardest fixtures by far out of the bottom 4 in the league.

Up until the end of the years these are the fixtures;

Hibs - 5 games

Celtic - away
Ross County - home
Aberdeen - away
Hearts - away
Kilmarnock - home

Hearts - 5 games

Aberdeen - home
Dundee - home
Kilmarnock - away
St Johnston - home
Ross County - away

** 2 European games amongst those fixtures ***

Kilmarnock - 6 games

Rangers - away
Dundee United - away
Hearts - home
Motherwell - away
Aberdeen - home
Hibs - away

St Johnstone - 6 games

Rangers - home
Aberdeen - away
St Mirren - Home
Hearts - away
Dundee United - home
Celtic - away



For me we need to beat Killie and Ross County and get draws against Aberdeen and Hearts at minimum.

The only good thing re hearts is the European games and that they hopefully might take a toll on them in the league

[Paul1642]

This isn’t a “how many points will we get?” Thread, but more highlighting the massive task still ahead of us

We’ve moved off the bottom of the league today but it’s still incredibly tight at the bottom and imo we have the hardest fixtures by far out of the bottom 4 in the league.

Up until the end of the years these are the fixtures;

Hibs - 5 games

Celtic - away
Ross County - home
Aberdeen - away
Hearts - away
Kilmarnock - home

Hearts - 5 games

Aberdeen - home
Dundee - home
Kilmarnock - away
St Johnston - home
Ross County - away

** 2 European games amongst those fixtures ***

Kilmarnock - 6 games

Rangers - away
Dundee United - away
Hearts - home
Motherwell - away
Aberdeen - home
Hibs - away

St Johnstone - 6 games

Rangers - home
Aberdeen - away
St Mirren - Home
Hearts - away
Dundee United - home
Celtic - away



For me we need to beat Killie and Ross County and get draws against Aberdeen and Hearts at minimum.

The only good thing re hearts is the European games and that they hopefully might take a toll on them in the league

I think your at minimum is perhaps a bit steep. 7 points , probably by beating Killie and Ross Country and taking 1 draw form from other 3 (preferably Hearts) would be a big success considering what has come so far this season IMO.

The other teams around us aren’t taking 7 from those games if we do the above.

[Unseen work]

I think your at minimum is perhaps a bit steep. 7 points , probably by beating Killie and Ross Country and taking 1 draw form from other 3 (preferably Hearts) would be a big success considering what has come so far this season IMO.

The other teams around us aren’t taking 7 from those games if we do the above.

I completely agree, however because of the situation we find ourselves in I don’t see anything else being acceptable or we’ll be at the bottom imo

[Just_Jimmy]

I think your at minimum is perhaps a bit steep. 7 points , probably by beating Killie and Ross Country and taking 1 draw form from other 3 (preferably Hearts) would be a big success considering what has come so far this season IMO.

The other teams around us aren’t taking 7 from those games if we do the above.Agreed.

6 is the absolute minimum. If it includes beating hearts but we MUST really win both home games and get a point at Tynecastle.

I'd write off celtic and see if we can nick anything at Aberdeen for a bonus.

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[Paul1642]

I completely agree, however because of the situation we find ourselves in I don’t see anything else being acceptable or we’ll be at the bottom imo

I edited my post whilst you were replying. If we take 7 points, and none from Aberdeen and Celtic, I think we will be 8th at the new year.

[hibsbollah]

St Johnstone have very similar fixtures to us, and theyve got rangers too so i dont think we really do have the hardest fixtures’by far’. 2 home games against weak opposition, 2 away games against the top two in the league where anything is a bonus, plus the derby which is always difficult. You havent included that in hearts’ fixtures either.

[SHODAN]

Atrocious run. Think we'll need to win the derby to stay above Hearts.

[Crab apple]

I'd say Hearts on paper have easier fixtures but St Johnstone and Killie look to have as difficult fixtures as us if not more so. And if we win both our home games (still a big if) I can't see them picking up more points than us.

[Jim44]

This isn’t a “how many points will we get?” Thread, but more highlighting the massive task still ahead of us

We’ve moved off the bottom of the league today but it’s still incredibly tight at the bottom and imo we have the hardest fixtures by far out of the bottom 4 in the league.

Up until the end of the years these are the fixtures;

Hibs - 5 games

Celtic - away
Ross County - home
Aberdeen - away
Hearts - away
Kilmarnock - home

Hearts - 5 games

Aberdeen - home
Dundee - home
Kilmarnock - away
St Johnston - home
Ross County - away

** 2 European games amongst those fixtures ***

Kilmarnock - 6 games

Rangers - away
Dundee United - away
Hearts - home
Motherwell - away
Aberdeen - home
Hibs - away

St Johnstone - 6 games

Rangers - home
Aberdeen - away
St Mirren - Home
Hearts - away
Dundee United - home
Celtic - away



For me we need to beat Killie and Ross County and get draws against Aberdeen and Hearts at minimum.

The only good thing re hearts is the European games and that they hopefully might take a toll on them in the league

I think St Johnstone have the hardest run.

[Unseen work]

I think St Johnstone have the hardest run.

Yeah tbf I agree. Initially made it just the bottom 3 and then decided to chuck at Johnstone in 🤣

[Is It On....]

This isn’t a “how many points will we get?” Thread, but more highlighting the massive task still ahead of us

We’ve moved off the bottom of the league today but it’s still incredibly tight at the bottom and imo we have the hardest fixtures by far out of the bottom 4 in the league.

Up until the end of the years these are the fixtures;

Hibs - 5 games

Celtic - away
Ross County - home
Aberdeen - away
Hearts - away
Kilmarnock - home

Hearts - 5 games

Aberdeen - home
Dundee - home
Kilmarnock - away
St Johnston - home
Ross County - away

** 2 European games amongst those fixtures ***

Kilmarnock - 6 games

Rangers - away
Dundee United - away
Hearts - home
Motherwell - away
Aberdeen - home
Hibs - away

St Johnstone - 6 games

Rangers - home
Aberdeen - away
St Mirren - Home
Hearts - away
Dundee United - home
Celtic - away



For me we need to beat Killie and Ross County and get draws against Aberdeen and Hearts at minimum.

The only good thing re hearts is the European games and that they hopefully might take a toll on them in the league


Whilst the table never lies, we are only at the bottom because of the number of points dropped by goalkeeping errors. As long as we beat Kilmarnock and Ross County, we won't have been cut adrift at the bottom and we can sign a new goalkeeper in January preferably, as somebody said on another thread, to be announced at 1 second past 12 on Jan 1st 2025.

[Pretty Boy]

I think a couple of wins from those 5 would see us go into new year not at the bottom of the league. Hardly lofty ambitions but probably something we'd all have accepted this time last week.

Not a great run of fixtures there but Killie and St Johnstone don't have particularly easy runs either.

[Tambo]

Was a must we got the win today, no one will fancy us vs Celtic so Ross county will be a another must win.

Aberdeen and Hearts will be tough games and Kilmarnock at home we should be looking to win.

The change in shape looks better so far over the past few games, Celtic will be a big test, I would be keeping the same team again so Obita on the bench.

[Del Boy]

I would say St Johnstone have the toughest fixtures, with St Mirren at home the only game they’re likely to be favourites for.

[hibeerealist]

Lets hope the lessers have a real off day against us

[GreenCastle]

Ross County..

Play Rangers next
Hibs away
St Mirren home
Dundee away
Hearts home
2025 - Aberdeen away

I think they could be in trouble..

[Moulin Yarns]

This isn’t a “how many points will we get?” Thread, but more highlighting the massive task still ahead of us

We’ve moved off the bottom of the league today but it’s still incredibly tight at the bottom and imo we have the hardest fixtures by far out of the bottom 4 in the league.

Up until the end of the years these are the fixtures;

Hibs - 5 games

Celtic - away
Ross County - home
Aberdeen - away
Hearts - away
Kilmarnock - home

Hearts - 5 games

Aberdeen - home
Dundee - home
Kilmarnock - away
St Johnston - home
Ross County - away

** 2 European games amongst those fixtures ***

Kilmarnock - 6 games

Rangers - away
Dundee United - away
Hearts - home
Motherwell - away
Aberdeen - home
Hibs - away

St Johnstone - 6 games

Rangers - home
Aberdeen - away
St Mirren - Home
Hearts - away
Dundee United - home
Celtic - away



For me we need to beat Killie and Ross County and get draws against Aberdeen and Hearts at minimum.

The only good thing re hearts is the European games and that they hopefully might take a toll on them in the league

Eh, we are playing hearts but they aren't playing us??

[Moulin Yarns]

Ross County..

Play Rangers tomorrow..
Hibs away
St Mirren home
Dundee away
Hearts home
2025 - Aberdeen away

I think they could be in trouble..

Ross County played Celtic today, St Johnstone home to the Rangers tomorrow

[GreenCastle]

Ross County played Celtic today, St Johnstone home to the Rangers tomorrow

Sorry meant to read Rangers next

[IberianHibernian]

Home games against Ross County and Killie are definitely winnable but 4 points would probably be reasonable . For away games , Celtic will obviously be a very hard game and a draw would be a good result but I don`t see why the other away games should be feared . At Tynecastle , we`ve been the better team in draws in the last year or two and I`d hope we`ll go there hoping for a win . Pittodrie will be hard but certainly not unwinnable . Whatever happens in those games , there will be another round of fixtures before the split and then another 5 games . Plenty of time to climb the table .

[ian cruise]

Admit I've got my green tinted glasses on, particularly after yesterday, but I genuinely think we'll pick up more points from our run than Hearts, Killie and St Johnstone and start working our way up the table.

Though Hearts don't have either Celtic or Rangers, they're facing an Aberdeen side who will be desperate to bounce back from a couple of poor results so that "should" equal out the game we have against Celtic. All I can hope for from that one for us right now is a good performance and no injuries/red cards. Anything else is a very happy bonus.

Ross County, Hearts and Killie all fall in to the must win category due to the poor start of the season making a rod for our own backs already.

Aberdeen we've shown we can give them a game but they've had a great season so far so it would be foolish to assume we'll beat them at home. Another draw would be a very welcome result right now.

[worcesterhibby]

If we play like we did yesterday and keep 11 men on the park, we can take 9 maybe even 10 points from that run. I don’t think it’s any harder than the other teams. A win at Tynecastle would be HUGE !

other than Celtic, none of the teams we have to play are exactly world beaters.. we proved that against Aberdeen. Focus.. 100% effort, take our chances, get the ball forward quickly, don’t get sent off. Play as a team, want it more than your opponent. 9 points easy !

[babahibs]

Killie and St Johnstone will be the bottom 2 at New Year imo.

[Not In The Know]

10 points in the bag. Easy!

[hibsbollah]

Killie and St Johnstone will be the bottom 2 at New Year imo.

Killie look like theyve got some talented youngsters and McInnes and that home pitch makes me think they’ll be close to midtable at the split. Ross County and St johnstone will get dragged down i think.

[babahibs]

Killie look like theyve got some talented youngsters and McInnes and that home pitch makes me think they’ll be close to midtable at the split. Ross County and St johnstone will get dragged down i think.

I was forgetting about Killies pitch, always worth a few points for them.
Anyway I don't think it'll be us at the bottom, would be hilarious if it's our weird neighbours though.

[SON OF PADDY]

This isn’t a “how many points will we get?” Thread, but more highlighting the massive task still ahead of us

We’ve moved off the bottom of the league today but it’s still incredibly tight at the bottom and imo we have the hardest fixtures by far out of the bottom 4 in the league.

Up until the end of the years these are the fixtures;

Hibs - 5 games

Celtic - away
Ross County - home
Aberdeen - away
Hearts - away
Kilmarnock - home

Hearts - 5 games

Aberdeen - home
Dundee - home
Kilmarnock - away
St Johnston - home
Ross County - away

** 2 European games amongst those fixtures ***

Kilmarnock - 6 games

Rangers - away
Dundee United - away
Hearts - home
Motherwell - away
Aberdeen - home
Hibs - away

St Johnstone - 6 games

Rangers - home
Aberdeen - away
St Mirren - Home
Hearts - away
Dundee United - home
Celtic - away



For me we need to beat Killie and Ross County and get draws against Aberdeen and Hearts at minimum.

The only good thing re hearts is the European games and that they hopefully might take a toll on them in the league


We should be looking at taking maximum points, the Hibees are back ! 😉😂😂

[wookie70]

From now until we are safe it is all about beating the teams round about us. The old six pointer in a league like this really does change things quickly

[Alfred E Newman]

A minimum of 7 points from those games would be acceptable.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i think we can/will win our two home games

i think heartz could get two wins at least as well

Kille won't get many points

st johnstone won't get many points

[Springbank]

The thing about Hearts fixtures this month is they always lose to Kilmarnock, and Simon Murray tends to haunt them (Dundee are at Tynecastle next)

[WestStandWillie]

6pts minimum - no excuses.

Defeat but keep it respectable against Celtic
Beat County
Draw at Aberdeen
The usual 0-0 classic Derby
Beat Kilmarnock

If we can cut out the individual errors then i'm hopeful.

[WhileTheChief..]

Beat Ross Co
Draws against Hearts and Killie
Defeats against Aberdeen and Celtic

If we can get 5 points I’ll be over the moon. Expect us to get 2 or 3 max though.

[B.H.F.C]

The two home games against Killie and Ross County are games we have to win. If we can do that and avoid defeat at Tynecastle that would be pretty reasonable. We won’t get anything at Parkhead but we shouldn’t have anything to fear at Pittodrie.

[Jim44]

Once Saturday’s game is over, we’re probably going to be back in 12th place, but we can bounce back with a win against Ross County and, hopefully, progress upwards from there. Every game should be played like a cup final and, despite my fears of relegation, a 7th or 8th finish is well within our grasp.

[hibsbollah]

Once Saturday’s game is over, we’re probably going to be back in 12th place, but we can bounce back with a win against Ross County and, hopefully, progress upwards from there. Every game should be played like a cup final and, despite my fears of relegation, a 7th or 8th finish is well within our grasp.

Im not so sure its likely we will be back in 12th place again come Saturday. Dundee have already beaten Scotlands Official Bottom Club 3-1 this season, and are 6 points ahead of them having played a game less. They are well capable of taking at least a point. There seems to be a belief that Hearts are going to recover at any moment because Mikey Stewart thinks they have an identity. They are bottom for a reason.

[B.H.F.C]

Im not so sure its likely we will be back in 12th place again come Saturday. Dundee have already beaten Scotlands Official Bottom Club 3-1 this season, and are 6 points ahead of them having played a game less. They are well capable of taking at least a point. There seems to be a belief that Hearts are going to recover at any moment because Mikey Stewart thinks they have an identity. They are bottom for a reason.

The narrative around Hearts is so different. Kris Boyd was talking about the pair of us last week and said he still fancies Hearts to push up the table and finish in the top six! There’s just an assumption they’ll be ok and I’m no really sure why.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The narrative around Hearts is so different. Kris Boyd was talking about the pair of us last week and said he still fancies Hearts to push up the table and finish in the top six! There’s just an assumption they’ll be ok and I’m no really sure why.

I think there’s an assumption Shankland will start scoring again. If he does, they’ll be absolutely fine. If he doesn’t though, then they’ll be in real bother. I suppose the difference with us is that you can’t see such a simplistic way for us to improve.

[hibsbollah]

The narrative around Hearts is so different. Kris Boyd was talking about the pair of us last week and said he still fancies Hearts to push up the table and finish in the top six! There’s just an assumption they’ll be ok and I’m no really sure why.

My son said to me at the table last night that he thinks we dont play with any identity compared to hearts. **** knows where he’s picked this up, he never listens to sportsound. My head was literally in my hands.

[Bridge hibs]

My son said to me at the table last night that he thinks we dont play with any identity compared to hearts. **** knows where he’s picked this up, he never listens to sportsound. My head was literally in my hands.Its a saying thats been very widely used the past few seasons and mostly aimed at hibs. Seems like a generic term pedalled by Stewart et al. Funny thing about that was when he was asked what has improved at hearts since Critchley was appointed and he said along the lines of they have an “identity “ now.

So with that said they are bottom of the league and for a team that had no identity under Naebadges to an identity under Critchley the results have been the same.

Identity doesnt win you points so it seems

[hibsbollah]

Its a saying thats been very widely used the past few seasons and mostly aimed at hibs. Seems like a generic term pedalled by Stewart et al. Funny thing about that was when he was asked what has improved at hearts since Critchley was appointed and he said along the lines of they have an “identity “ now.

So with that said they are bottom of the league and for a team that had no identity under Naebadges to an identity under Critchley the results have been the same.

Identity doesnt win you points so it seems

In a way i know what they mean, the Longbangers boys made the point a while back that with certain teams you identify them with a type of goal; Liverpool break at pace through Salah in wide positions, or Citeh passing around the box till you fall asleep and make a mistake. It’s hard to say what an archetypal Hibs goal is.

‘Identity’ really is annoying though.

[Jones28]

Celtic - away - defeat but not a hammering.
Ross County - home - win
Aberdeen - away - unsure on this one, think we can win and if Aberdeens slump continues there's no reason we can't.
Hearts - away - draw, but euro matches for them might have an impact.
Kilmarnock - home - win with a massive Hibs support behind the team.

8 points would be my most optimistic outcome, 6 would be more realistic. 3 wins from those 5 would be fantastic, 10 points would be outstanding but it's a tall order as it means winning one and drawing one of the very tough away matches as well as winning both our home games.

No red cards, no daft errors and no concession of stupid goals and there's every chance we could be going in to January in a very strong position.

It's a tough run of fixtures and expect on Monday we will be bottom again, response to that is key.

[Tyler Durden]

In a way i know what they mean, the Longbangers boys made the point a while back that with certain teams you identify them with a type of goal; Liverpool break at pace through Salah in wide positions, or Citeh passing around the box till you fall asleep and make a mistake. It’s hard to say what an archetypal Hibs goal is.

‘Identity’ really is annoying though.

I don't really see the issue, I agree with your son!

I think Hearts under Critchley are playing passing football. But in the games I've seen, they look ok until they get to the box. And they're not defending their own box very well. But yeah there is an identity there.

Hibs under Gray - we've basically been playing for set pieces and launching crosses in. That's our identity and it's not one many of us would be happy with. Hopefully that can change to be more what I'd have expected of a Gray team - energy, pressing, aggressive on the front foot. Maybe we've seen more of that in the last few games.

I defo agree that Hearts fans are deluded though. Their main take away at the weekend seemed to be "Aberdeen are crap". Rather than noting that it's another must win game that they've failed to win. Another game where they seem to claim they've been good but come away with not much to show for it. I think they'll turn on Critchley pretty soon.

[hibsbollah]

I agree with your son!

.

Reported.

[JimBHibees]

My son said to me at the table last night that he thinks we dont play with any identity compared to hearts. **** knows where he’s picked this up, he never listens to sportsound. My head was literally in my hands.

How long did it take for the police to turn up? 😄

[hibsbollah]

How long did it take for the police to turn up? 😄

I was forced to apologise for my reaction (by text)

[Smartie]

My son said to me at the table last night that he thinks we dont play with any identity compared to hearts. **** knows where he’s picked this up, he never listens to sportsound. My head was literally in my hands.

I was speaking to a well known medal dodging former player of our rivals a few weeks back.

He was going big on the identity thing - saying that neither Hibs nor Hearts have an identity these days.

It's not really an argument I understand or something I notice. Rather than being a lack of identity I just see 2 poor teams with poor players playing at a level way below where they should. Maybe it's because they're playing poorly that it becomes harder to spot what exactly it is that they're trying to do - hence the lack of identity.

[Hibernian Verse]

Has Stewart ever had to explain what the identity at Hearts is, or is it just a soundbite he uses?

[JimBHibees]

I was forced to apologise for my reaction (by text)

:greengrin

[WhileTheChief..]

My son said to me at the table last night that he thinks we dont play with any identity compared to hearts. **** knows where he’s picked this up, he never listens to sportsound. My head was literally in my hands.

Your son talks sense. Loads of us have been saying the same thing for years.

Nowt to do with Sportsound either, it’s just the way we see things.

[KeithTheHibby]

The narrative around Hearts is so different. Kris Boyd was talking about the pair of us last week and said he still fancies Hearts to push up the table and finish in the top six! There’s just an assumption they’ll be ok and I’m no really sure why.

The guys on opengoal podcast seem to think the same. The minute Shankland starts scoring they will motor up the league. Not a word about how crap their defence has been.
They were bottom of the league during the covid season and never recovered and it was the same crap being peddled around this time 5 years ago. I am happy for everyone to think they are better than what they actuall are.

[Pagan Hibernia]

I was speaking to a well known medal dodging former player of our rivals a few weeks back.

He was going big on the identity thing - saying that neither Hibs nor Hearts have an identity these days.

It's not really an argument I understand or something I notice. Rather than being a lack of identity I just see 2 poor teams with poor players playing at a level way below where they should. Maybe it's because they're playing poorly that it becomes harder to spot what exactly it is that they're trying to do - hence the lack of identity.

Levein?

[Jones28]

Surely an identity is another word for recruitment?

Circa 2005 Hibs identity was young players playing attractive, fast football. As those players left and our recruitment couldn't replace them we got worse.

Hearts identity before it became Lithuanian Football's B team was to be hammer throwing hoofball merchants.

Our identity crises around the relegation season was much the same as it has been for the last couple of years: **** recruitment leading to mediocre results.

Hearts much the same, whereas before they went in to administration they could recruit good players and fork out massive wages for them.

Stewart was even talking about it on the radio the night of the Aberdeen game, that our old policy of young, hungry scottish players who know the league had been swapped out for a different, Celtic type of approach.

Identity of a football club is a soundbite.

[hibsbollah]

Levein?

Theres a fair few candidates to choose from.

[snedzuk]

My son said to me at the table last night that he thinks we dont play with any identity compared to hearts. **** knows where he’s picked this up, he never listens to sportsound. My head was literally in my hands.

If you'd been Josef Bursic, your head would've hit the table.

[hibsbollah]

Surely an identity is another word for recruitment?

Circa 2005 Hibs identity was young players playing attractive, fast football. As those players left and our recruitment couldn't replace them we got worse.

Hearts identity before it became Lithuanian Football's B team was to be hammer throwing hoofball merchants.

Our identity crises around the relegation season was much the same as it has been for the last couple of years: **** recruitment leading to mediocre results.

Hearts much the same, whereas before they went in to administration they could recruit good players and fork out massive wages for them.

Stewart was even talking about it on the radio the night of the Aberdeen game, that our old policy of young, hungry scottish players who know the league had been swapped out for a different, Celtic type of approach.

Identity of a football club is a soundbite.

I think a lot of people use it when they mean strategy and tactics. My understanding was a DOF is supposed to create a strategy, and the manager or coach implements tactics.

Your identity is your fan base, your colours your history and that stuff.

[Bobby's Cinema]

If i had to summarise our general style of play this season it's been feed the ball wide, offer no options coming short towards the ball centrally so either turn back to the full back or hoist it into the box for one striker to try and get near.

We have a lot of 5 and 6 out of ten players. Midfielders reluctant to play forward passes that will get 2 goals a season. A striker that will get you maybe more than 5 but less than 10.

I think when identity is referred to at times they mean to say just lack of out and out leaders or quality players.

Where previously we had Boyle at his best, second 45 we would be constantly feeding him everytime we won back possession to run at players and flash things across. In the past we had Scott Allan getting on the ball and threading it through. We had Mcginn picking it up and driving us on.

I don't think we have individuals where you are screaming out to say here's an obvious strength we are looking to play to here.

If we can keep Hoilett fit and keep Youan improving week on week, get Bowie coming back then we could be a decent watch again going forward.

[offshorehibby]

Personally I don't get this identity nonsense the pundits go on about. A quick Google gave me exactly what identity means to me for Hibs.

A football club's identity is a combination of its visual identity, its role in the community, and its cultural representation:

Visual identity
A club's visual identity is made up of its colors, badge, and jerseys. This is often the most important identity feature of a football team, and can contribute to the emotional connection between fans.

Cultural representation
A club's role as a cultural representative of a community is one of its most robust identity features. Popular football clubs can act as symbols of a region, and the more effective they are in this role, the more they can strengthen the regional community.

Social milieu
A club's social milieu can also be part of its identity. For example, FC St. Pauli is based in a trendy district of Hamburg, and its fan scene is openly political.
A club's identity is important because it helps the club stand out from other teams, attract new fans, and make decisions about hiring and advertising. A strong identity can also help a club achieve distinction, success, and iconic status.

And we already do all these.

Stop listening to nobs who know SFA about Hibernian Football Club

[Smartie]

I wonder if there's a bit of the "no local lads or lads who came through the youth system" thing at play as well though? As in, either fans of the club or folk from the area, or folk who have come through a system being told what the club represents and what it means to play for them?

There aren't really many players at Hibs or Hearts who fit that bill (possibly other than Craig Gordon for them and Josh Campbell for us, and can a GK provide you with an "identity"?)

Obviously this matters more to some people than others.

The Sauzee / Latapy team didn't exactly have an abundance of local talent in it yet they were great to watch and you were in no doubt about how they wanted to play.

[Nicho87]

Saints and killie both have tough runs

Vital we pick up 3 points next week. Picking up even draws in Aberdeen and tynie would be ok. Home win v killie end of the month is another must win. Game

[Paul1642]

I think your at minimum is perhaps a bit steep. 7 points , probably by beating Killie and Ross Country and taking 1 draw form from other 3 (preferably Hearts) would be a big success considering what has come so far this season IMO.

The other teams around us aren’t taking 7 from those games if we do the above.

When I posted this I thought 7 points would be great and in all honesty didn’t think we would do it.

Now we have 6 from the first 3 games and 9 or 10 points from the 5 fixtures is very realistic. Massive well done to Gray and the players for the turnaround.

[Carheenlea]

If we have ambition and belief to push away from bottom towards fighting for euro places, then we should be looking to win the next three games against Hearts, Kilmarnock and St Johnstone.

Should be no talk of 6 or 7 points from those three being a decent return.

9 points better off before we play Rangers at Easter Road is where we should find ourselves.

[hibsbollah]

Really interesting reading this 3 or 4 weeks later, football changes in a short time.

[Since90+2]

If we have ambition and belief to push away from bottom towards fighting for euro places, then we should be looking to win the next three games against Hearts, Kilmarnock and St Johnstone.

Should be no talk of 6 or 7 points from those three being a decent return.

9 points better off before we play Rangers at Easter Road is where we should find ourselves.

How often do we win 5 games in a row in the league? Be very surprised if we get maximum points in next 3. We've won 4 games the whole season.

5 or 6 points would be a decent return and probably more likely IMO.

[Hibernian Verse]

If we have ambition and belief to push away from bottom towards fighting for euro places, then we should be looking to win the next three games against Hearts, Kilmarnock and St Johnstone.

Should be no talk of 6 or 7 points from those three being a decent return.

9 points better off before we play Rangers at Easter Road is where we should find ourselves.

Of course the players and staff will be aiming to win all three, but if we get 7 points from those games it will be a brilliant return considering our record at Tynecastle. 7 points means we’ve not lost the derby.

[Allant1981]

How often do we win 5 games in a row in the league? Be very surprised if we get maximum points in next 3. We've won 4 games the whole season.

5 or 6 points would be a decent return and probably more likely IMO.

5 points wouldn't be decent return from those 3 games imo, hearts have been worse than us this year but its a derby so would probably take the point, killie aren't that great and we have them at home and st Johnstone are rank rotten so for me that should be 2 wins, anything less than that I think is a poor return

[B.H.F.C]

Never feared going to Aberdeen based on what I’ve seen from them but I didn’t really expect to come down the road with a win.

Said after the Ross County that we needed minimum 7 points from Aberdeen, Hearts, Killie and St Johnstone. We can/should definitely be looking at exceeding that now.

Still think the most important thing on Thursday is to avoid defeat. That would kill any momentum and positivity that is building. We should be looking to go and win but just don’t get beat under any circumstances.

[GreenCastle]

Win against Hearts and we are beating St J and Killie.

Winning 2 in a row has been great - let’s keep this run going.

[Carheenlea]

Three wins on the bounce - including back to back challenging away fixtures at Pittodrie and Tynecastle.

Momentum.

[hibsbollah]

Three wins on the bounce - including back to back challenging away fixtures at Pittodrie and Tynecastle.

Momentum.

Momentum and identity:greengrin

[Tambo]

Don't see we shouldn't be looking for the win Sunday, a good first half with a couple goals.

[WhileTheChief..]

Things are much better now.

Finally looking upwards with some optimism that we can beat Kilmarnock then St Johnstone, before facing Rangers at ER.

Hopefully a much stronger second half to the season can see us qualify for Europe.

[GreenCastle]

Win against Hearts and we are beating St J and Killie.

Winning 2 in a row has been great - let’s keep this run going.

Let’s go…

Next 2 wins and 5 in a row would be incredible.

[Paul1642]

Well it’s safe to say that none of us seem this run of form coming.

[Carheenlea]

Winning is a good habit to be getting into.

Breeds confidence and belief to see games out and the more you do it that fear of capitulation recedes.

Hearts in Dingwall today the case in point.

[PatHead]

Came across this thread.

Not having a go at the predictions, more to remind us how far it has changed over the last month.

At the risk of sounding negative it can change again quickly but I am all for a further push.

[Bobby's Cinema]

What a man DG is handling the pressure to start to come out the other side of it hopefully.

So many teams inconsistent. The team in 5th place have lost more games than us this season - 9 already.
Just shows how a run can fire you right up the table.

Brilliant time for us to have so many games one after the other when we are playing with confidence.

Great game for us going to Perth on the back of 4 wins and they are on the back of 4 losses.

[The Spaceman]

A win in Perth and 5 wins on the bounce would be absolutely phenomenal when you look at where we’ve come from. Would set us up nicely for the January break and come back to fire up a run for Europe. Only fear I have is we are about to lose players like Elie Youan, but will always be a feature of clubs our size.

[B.H.F.C]

A win in Perth and 5 wins on the bounce would be absolutely phenomenal when you look at where we’ve come from. Would set us up nicely for the January break and come back to fire up a run for Europe. Only fear I have is we are about to lose players like Elie Youan, but will always be a feature of clubs our size.

There isn’t any January break.

[Gloucester Hibs]

Refreshing to see one of these “Next X Games” prediction threads where the team has actually exceeded expectations!

[Jones28]

Celtic - away - defeat but not a hammering.
Ross County - home - win
Aberdeen - away - unsure on this one, think we can win and if Aberdeens slump continues there's no reason we can't.
Hearts - away - draw, but euro matches for them might have an impact.
Kilmarnock - home - win with a massive Hibs support behind the team.

8 points would be my most optimistic outcome, 6 would be more realistic. 3 wins from those 5 would be fantastic, 10 points would be outstanding but it's a tall order as it means winning one and drawing one of the very tough away matches as well as winning both our home games.

No red cards, no daft errors and no concession of stupid goals and there's every chance we could be going in to January in a very strong position.

It's a tough run of fixtures and expect on Monday we will be bottom again, response to that is key.

Quite sobering to see how we've done, it's 12 from 15 going in to 2025. What a fantastic return and is credit to everyone involved.

Well done Hibs.

[Just_Jimmy]

Agreed.

6 is the absolute minimum. If it includes beating hearts but we MUST really win both home games and get a point at Tynecastle.

I'd write off celtic and see if we can nick anything at Aberdeen for a bonus.

Sent from my SM-G991B using TapatalkDefinitely delighted with the return.

Huge credit to SDG and the players.

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[GloryGlory]

Refreshing to see one of these “Next X Games” prediction threads where the team has actually exceeded expectations!

I usually cringe at these sort of threads - how many points in the next x games? - because we tend to come a cropper in games we are expected to do well in.

Pleasantly surprised by the upturn in recent form but still like to keep to the old football maxim "one game at a time".

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I usually cringe at these sort of threads - how many points in the next x games? - because we tend to come a cropper in games we are expected to do well in.

Pleasantly surprised by the upturn in recent form but still like to keep to the old football maxim "one game at a time".

they keep the wheels of the internet turning :)