Good luck and bad luck

[matty_f]

We have had some stinking luck this season. We’ve been murder, of course, but at the same time virtually anything that could have gone against us, has.

Aberdeen have been the opposite on both counts, playing better and getting some ridiculous good luck into the bargain.

Tonight was the first time really this season - since Boyle’s overhead kick in the League Cup probably, where things have sort of gone our way.

Newell’s shot deflecting in, the ball landing at Rocky’s feet for the equaliser - those are the sort of incidents that have gone the other way against us this season.

I know you’ll have folk who say you make your own luck, and that’s true to an extent, but football (and life) invariably throws things in that are out of your control.

Aberdeen still carried some luck, but not as much as they have been.

Hopefully tonight was the start of a shift towards things going our way for a bit.

[HarpOnHibee]

There was certainly nothing lucky about Aberdeen's goals. That was down to individual errors which have plagued us this season. 3 points were on the table tonight and it was ultimately very avoidable moments that once again cost us.

The players can pour everything into a game and work exceptionally hard for a goal or two, but all of that can be instantly undone by moments of unforced errors. Not bad luck, just sheer moments of complacency.

[CL0762]

We have had some stinking luck this season. We’ve been murder, of course, but at the same time virtually anything that could have gone against us, has.

Aberdeen have been the opposite on both counts, playing better and getting some ridiculous good luck into the bargain.

Tonight was the first time really this season - since Boyle’s overhead kick in the League Cup probably, where things have sort of gone our way.

Newell’s shot deflecting in, the ball landing at Rocky’s feet for the equaliser - those are the sort of incidents that have gone the other way against us this season.

I know you’ll have folk who say you make your own luck, and that’s true to an extent, but football (and life) invariably throws things in that are out of your control.

Aberdeen still carried some luck, but not as much as they have been.

Hopefully tonight was the start of a shift towards things going our way for a bit.

Felt the exact same, Matty.

Said it after Newell’s goal, sometimes that’s all you need.

Then it seems as if the luck deserts us with the keeper for goals 2 & 3.

And at the very end it trickles in after landing at Rocky, of all people.

[matty_f]

There was certainly nothing lucky about Aberdeen's goals. That was down to individual errors which have plagued us this season. 3 points were on the table tonight and it was ultimately very avoidable moments that once again cost us.

The players can pour everything into a game and work exceptionally hard for a goal or two, but all of that can be instantly undone by moments of unforced errors. Not bad luck, just sheer moments of complacency.

Aberdeen are lucky that our keeper fluffed a punch that landed perfectly for their player to score, they’ve not deliberately put the cross onto the keeper for him to do it. It’s a poor cross that our keeper messed up.

Is not lucky for them that the boy was good enough to capitalise but the ball landing perfectly for him to finish it was lucky.

Poor play by us, of course, but players make mistakes all the time that don’t always land perfectly for someone to take advantage.

[matty_f]

Felt the exact same, Matty.

Said it after Newell’s goal, sometimes that’s all you need.

Then it seems as if the luck deserts us with the keeper for goals 2 & 3.

And at the very end it trickles in after landing at Rocky, of all people.

We’ve not had it all season, it’s like a striker going through a barren spell that just needs a goal from the ball bouncing of his backside to get him on a scoring run again.

[HarpOnHibee]

Aberdeen are lucky that our keeper fluffed a punch that landed perfectly for their player to score, they’ve not deliberately put the cross onto the keeper for him to do it. It’s a poor cross that our keeper messed up.

Is not lucky for them that the boy was good enough to capitalise but the ball landing perfectly for him to finish it was lucky.

Poor play by us, of course, but players make mistakes all the time that don’t always land perfectly for someone to take advantage.

But the keeper did fluff the punch, had he not fluffed the punch, the opportunity for that to happen wouldn't have presented itself. The reason "bad luck" seems to inflict us more as a club compared to other clubs is because we give "bad luck" more opportunities to manifest in the first place. Sure, any goalkeeper is prone to making the odd error, but competent goalkeepers work on reducing those errors and will find ways to limit the damage of those errors when they do occur.

It's easy just to say that Hibs are an unlucky club. But we ultimately invite it onto ourselves.

[Unseen work]

Whilst I’ve been really critical of Gray and our position.

Some of the bad luck/indivual errors are mental

St Mirren - Vente misses a sitter in first half. Ekpiteta passing to striker which results in goal

Celtic - Not a blunder but for me Bursik needs to hold the shot better which results in the goal after 3 minutes

Dundee - None

Kilmarnock - concede last minute penalty to draw the game

St Johnston - 2-0 win

Rangers - Myk misses penalty

Motherwell - Red card for Triantis when the game is tied

Dundee United - Red card for Newell when we are winning. Bursik howler

Hearts - Bursik spills the weak shot which results in corner. Throw in from the corner and then goal

Ross County - None

Dundee United - Concede last minute penalty and red card to draw the game

St Mirren - O’Hora mistake for second goal. Boyle misses pen and Cadden goal disallowed

Dundee - Red card for Obita. Bursik and Rocky howlers

Aberdeen - 2 howlers for Smith

There’s been plenty more mistakes in there but those are the big/game defining ones imo. Not including guys like Kwon, Triantis etc who just refuse to follow runners who then score

[Keepthefaith]

what about the handball in the box - unlucky that it wasn't given? the Aberdeen defender crawling forward on his hands and knees to block Myk's run and the ball strikes his hand? he chose to move his hands forward so can't argue it was in a natural position after falling...am pretty damn sure it'd have been given against us! also unlucky that our tackle for their equaliser falls to McGrath due to the way it ricochets off our defenders foot?

I agree with Matty - we have to hope this is some sort of turning point!

[matty_f]

But the keeper did fluff the punch, had he not fluffed the punch, the opportunity for that to happen wouldn't have presented itself. The reason "bad luck" seems to inflict us more as a club compared to other clubs is because we give "bad luck" more opportunities to manifest in the first place. Sure, any goalkeeper is prone to making the odd error, but competent goalkeepers work on reducing those errors and will find ways to limit the damage of those errors when they do occur.

It's easy just to say that Hibs are an unlucky club. But we ultimately invite it onto ourselves.
I don’t think we’re on the same page.

Hibs’ mistake wasn’t bad luck, it was poor play. That it landed perfectly for Aberdeen to capitalise wasn’t down to good play from them, they got lucky from our poor play.
I’ve also acknowledged in the opening post that you make your own luck.

You have to acknowledge that football isn’t always without luck/chance - it definitely plays a part. Aberdeen were unlucky that Newell’s shot deflected in rather than wide, we were lucky it happened.

Newell’s shot hit the defender, he didn’t mean that to happen, he’s not played for the deflection or deliberately hit the ball in exactly the right way to hit the defender and wrong foot the keeper. We were lucky, Aberdeen were unlucky.

That luck hasn’t been there this season very much.

[JohnM1875]

what about the handball in the box - unlucky that it wasn't given? the Aberdeen defender crawling forward on his hands and knees to block Myk's run and the ball strikes his hand? he chose to move his hands forward so can't argue it was in a natural position after falling...am pretty damn sure it'd have been given against us! also unlucky that our tackle for their equaliser falls to McGrath due to the way it ricochets off our defenders foot?

I agree with Matty - we have to hope this is some sort of turning point!

Definite penalty for me. Couldn't really see it from my seat at the game but seen it back since.

Haven't seen the headbutt yet, but surely a red card nah?

[matty_f]

Definite penalty for me. Couldn't really see it from my seat at the game but seen it back since.

Haven't seen the headbutt yet, but surely a red card nah?

I don’t think it’s a penalty, maybe need to watch it again but the guy fell and I’m not sure what else he’s meant to do with his arm. I’d be raging if it was given against us (though I reckon that ref would have if it was at the other end).

[Unseen work]

Definite penalty for me. Couldn't really see it from my seat at the game but seen it back since.

Haven't seen the headbutt yet, but surely a red card nah?

There was no head but. Embarrassing from iredale

[JohnM1875]

I don’t think it’s a penalty, maybe need to watch it again but the guy fell and I’m not sure what else he’s meant to do with his arm. I’d be raging if it was given against us (though I reckon that ref would have if it was at the other end).

His arm makes a slight movement towards the ball and knocks it out for me.

[hibee_girl]

I don’t think it’s a penalty, maybe need to watch it again but the guy fell and I’m not sure what else he’s meant to do with his arm. I’d be raging if it was given against us (though I reckon that ref would have if it was at the other end).

When you see the replay you can see he moves his arm towards the ball.

Should have been a penalty imo

[HarpOnHibee]

I don’t think we’re on the same page.

Hibs’ mistake wasn’t bad luck, it was poor play. That it landed perfectly for Aberdeen to capitalise wasn’t down to good play from them, they got lucky from our poor play.
I’ve also acknowledged in the opening post that you make your own luck.

You have to acknowledge that football isn’t always without luck/chance - it definitely plays a part. Aberdeen were unlucky that Newell’s shot deflected in rather than wide, we were lucky it happened.

Newell’s shot hit the defender, he didn’t mean that to happen, he’s not played for the deflection or deliberately hit the ball in exactly the right way to hit the defender and wrong foot the keeper. We were lucky, Aberdeen were unlucky.

That luck hasn’t been there this season very much.

Well you say it's lucky that the ball landed to the Aberdeen player. But consider this. The Aberdeen player still needed to be there in the first place in order to capitalize from it. He was also unmarked, there was no defender there to get in the way and make it difficult for him. The goalkeeper also lacked the reaction time to attempt any sort of recovery effort. All of these factors matter in the moment.

Newell's shot hit the defender and went in. But this still required him to attempt the shot in the first place. Had he not done so, the goal wouldn't have occurred.

Luck and bad luck are not these absolute things. They ultimately fall down to a number of variables that can influence what occurs in the moment. Get those variables wrong and you're going to have more bad luck. Get them right and you'll have more good luck. You can't control all of the variables, but you can influence some of them and that can be enough to influence the outcome in your favour.

[Keepthefaith]

I don’t think it’s a penalty, maybe need to watch it again but the guy fell and I’m not sure what else he’s meant to do with his arm. I’d be raging if it was given against us (though I reckon that ref would have if it was at the other end).

he literally shifts forward after falling and is canny to leave his arm there to block the space. pen all day long for me Matty, can't believe it wasn't even reviewed...

[SanFranHibs]

I just watched the highlights (i know only highlights) but at least we created a few chances. Hit the post. Hit the bar.

Maybe a draw was a fair result, but in the circumstances, bottom of the league, some saying relegation is certain, playing against a team who were P12 10w 1d 1L in the league, is it a terrible result?

Frustrating, but I am not resigned to relegation.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

“No good luck or bad luck there is, only probability.”

Yoda.

How did the xG work out btw?

:)

[Since452]

People have been going way over the top about Aberdeen. I didn't think they were very good last night and thought that a few other times I've seen them this season. Hibs were the better team. They will likely finish a distant 3rd because of their start but watch them hit a bad patch.

[He's here!]

Dreadful goalkeeping isn't bad luck. Goalkeeper is a thankless position for sure, but if you make a mistake it will often lead to a goal. We have deserved to lose the goals Bursic and Smith have cost us. The opposition are only capitalising on our (many) mistakes, not 'getting lucky'.

[Pytheas]

Being very pedantic the ball didn't just land at Rocky's feet, it's a really smart assist from Gayle.

100% he meant that and it's exactly why you bring a player like that on.

[Paulie Walnuts]

he literally shifts forward after falling and is canny to leave his arm there to block the space. pen all day long for me Matty, can't believe it wasn't even reviewed...

I’m not seeing a shift of the arm forward on the video I’m seeing. His arms are on the ground and he’s sliding. He then makes a move to get his head in the way of the ball and his arm doesn’t appear to really move, if anything his throwing of his body forward seems to put his arm more underneath his body. Unless there’s another angle which shows something different it’s never a pen for me.

[matty_f]

Dreadful goalkeeping isn't bad luck. Goalkeeper is a thankless position for sure, but if you make a mistake it will often lead to a goal. We have deserved to lose the goals Bursic and Smith have cost us. The opposition are only capitalising on our (many) mistakes, not 'getting lucky'.

I didn’t said it was bad luck. It was poor play, it was good luck for Aberdeen that the missed punch landed ideally for their player to score.

[matty_f]

Being very pedantic the ball didn't just land at Rocky's feet, it's a really smart assist from Gayle.

100% he meant that and it's exactly why you bring a player like that on.

Agreed, I had only seen the goal live at the game when I posted, having watched it back it’s a good knock down and bit of play.

[matty_f]

he literally shifts forward after falling and is canny to leave his arm there to block the space. pen all day long for me Matty, can't believe it wasn't even reviewed...

I’ve seen it back, I can understand why it’s not given but it definitely could have been. Would have expected a VAR review though.

[AdidasHibernian]

Devlin was extremely lucky to get away with the handball last night. He knew exactly what he was doing. Natural or not he pushed his upper arm into the ball to stop the cross, how that wasn't reviewed is beyond me, it's a penalty. Some handball that have been given from VAR have been far softer in most games I've seen this season.

[matty_f]

Devlin was extremely lucky to get away with the handball last night. He knew exactly what he was doing. Natural or not he pushed his upper arm into the ball to stop the cross, how that wasn't reviewed is beyond me, it's a penalty. Some handball that have been given from VAR have been far softer in most games I've seen this season.

Lucky to get away with the headbutt as well I think. Not seen that back either but at the game it looked like he should have been off.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Devlin was extremely lucky to get away with the handball last night. He knew exactly what he was doing. Natural or not he pushed his upper arm into the ball to stop the cross, how that wasn't reviewed is beyond me, it's a penalty. Some handball that have been given from VAR have been far softer in most games I've seen this season.

If it’s his upper arm then it’s not a handball, something to do with the sleeve if I recall correctly?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Lucky to get away with the headbutt as well I think. Not seen that back either but at the game it looked like he should have been off.

Is this the one in Iredale? If so it’s never a red and was a bit embarrassing from Iredale.

[ancient hibee]

I remember against Rangers when Laursen was sent off and a penalty awarded when the ball hit his arm when he was pushing himself up from the ground.

[stalbanshibby]

We have had some stinking luck this season. We’ve been murder, of course, but at the same time virtually anything that could have gone against us, has.

Aberdeen have been the opposite on both counts, playing better and getting some ridiculous good luck into the bargain.

Tonight was the first time really this season - since Boyle’s overhead kick in the League Cup probably, where things have sort of gone our way.

Newell’s shot deflecting in, the ball landing at Rocky’s feet for the equaliser - those are the sort of incidents that have gone the other way against us this season.

I know you’ll have folk who say you make your own luck, and that’s true to an extent, but football (and life) invariably throws things in that are out of your control.

Aberdeen still carried some luck, but not as much as they have been.

Hopefully tonight was the start of a shift towards things going our way for a bit.

I agree Matty - good post. And we hit the woodwork twice (bad luck) and we seemed to be playing against 12 men because i thought the ref - especially first half had red tinted specs on. That was a cracking game last night and Hibs did themselves and us proud. Onwards and upwards

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

If it’s his upper arm then it’s not a handball, something to do with the sleeve if I recall correctly?

Only if it’s above the sleeve line, ie the shoulder. This was his arm and very deliberate imo. Stonewall pen and scandalous that it didn’t even appear to get properly checked. Would be a 5 minute check against us based on examples this season, such as the Myk pull against DU

[Smartie]

I don’t think we’re on the same page.

Hibs’ mistake wasn’t bad luck, it was poor play. That it landed perfectly for Aberdeen to capitalise wasn’t down to good play from them, they got lucky from our poor play.
I’ve also acknowledged in the opening post that you make your own luck.

You have to acknowledge that football isn’t always without luck/chance - it definitely plays a part. Aberdeen were unlucky that Newell’s shot deflected in rather than wide, we were lucky it happened.

Newell’s shot hit the defender, he didn’t mean that to happen, he’s not played for the deflection or deliberately hit the ball in exactly the right way to hit the defender and wrong foot the keeper. We were lucky, Aberdeen were unlucky.

That luck hasn’t been there this season very much.

Did we not deserve a bit of luck by getting the ball into a position to have a shot and then taking that shot? I think it's a Wayne Gretsky quote about missing all the shots he didn't take - if we're hitting clean shots at goal, we're going to get more luck than when we don't.

I don't feel like we mugged Aberdeen with luck last night - some breaks went for us, some went against us.

It was a much improved performance though and I suspect that the more we play like that, the more lucky breaks we'll get.

[matty_f]

Did we not deserve a bit of luck by getting the ball into a position to have a shot and then taking that shot? I think it's a Wayne Gretsky quote about missing all the shots he didn't take - if we're hitting clean shots at goal, we're going to get more luck than when we don't.

I don't feel like we mugged Aberdeen with luck last night - some breaks went for us, some went against us.

It was a much improved performance though and I suspect that the more we play like that, the more lucky breaks we'll get.

Yeah we deserved it - that’s my point really, we’ve not had luck like that when we have arguably deserved it earlier in the season - we got it last night. It’s not the same as saying we were lucky to draw, the balance of play shows that was the least we deserved, but we had big moments where things went our way that weren’t necessarily by design. I’m not even sure Joe’s shot was on target but it hits a defender and at that point nobody is really in control of what happens next, it could deflect wide, back out away from goal, into the keeper’s arms etc - or into the net.

You don’t get the luck if you don’t take the shot, but it could have just as easily gone the other way.

From what I’ve seen of Aberdeen, they’ve been getting those breaks most of the season, last night we got it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Only if it’s above the sleeve line, ie the shoulder. This was his arm and very deliberate imo. Stonewall pen and scandalous that it didn’t even appear to get properly checked. Would be a 5 minute check against us based on examples this season, such as the Myk pull against DU

Is it not the sleeveline as in around the bicep where the sleeve ends?

Edit: just looked it up, you’re correct :aok:

[Donegal Hibby]

A wee bit surprised at the level of negativity about last night’s result, quite a few folk had us down to get a doing from them and yet I thought we more than match them .

Still plenty of issues with the team but to come back twice showed good character and spirit with some really good performances from Rocky , Cadden , Newell and Youan in particular..

Certainly got a slice of luck with Newells shot though that’s something we haven’t been having a lot off so that was nice to get too…

After losing so many late goals in games and feeling deflated to come back with a late equaliser to me felt a bit like a victory….

Certainly think it’s a point gained …

Hopefully with the character and spirit plus a bit of luck we had this can hopefully be the start of our season turning around … one can only hope.

[matty_f]

A wee bit surprised at the level of negativity about last night’s result, quite a few folk had us down to get a doing from them and yet I thought we more than match them .

Still plenty of issues with the team but to come back twice showed good character and spirit with some really good performances from Rocky , Cadden , Newell and Youan in particular..

Certainly got a slice of luck with Newells shot though that’s something we haven’t been having a lot off so that was nice to get too…

After losing so many late goals in games and feeling deflated to come back with a late equaliser to me felt a bit like a victory….

Certainly think it’s a point gained …

Hopefully with the character and spirit plus a bit of luck we had this can hopefully be the start of our season turning around … one can only hope.

The thread wasn’t intended to be negative in any way, we deserved at least the point - it was more to point out the difference it can make when things like that go our way rather than against us.

[Paulie Walnuts]

A wee bit surprised at the level of negativity about last night’s result, quite a few folk had us down to get a doing from them and yet I thought we more than match them .

Still plenty of issues with the team but to come back twice showed good character and spirit with some really good performances from Rocky , Cadden , Newell and Youan in particular..

Certainly got a slice of luck with Newells shot though that’s something we haven’t been having a lot off so that was nice to get too…

After losing so many late goals in games and feeling deflated to come back with a late equaliser to me felt a bit like a victory….

Certainly think it’s a point gained …

Hopefully with the character and spirit plus a bit of luck we had this can hopefully be the start of our season turning around … one can only hope.

I’m surprised you’re surprised.

It was yet another must win game and it was yet another game we didn’t win. The manner we went about snatching a draw has obviously impacted some peoples view on it, but it’s not a good result. We needed a win.

Yes the performance was better, but its wins that are going to get us out of this mess, not draws at home.

[AdidasHibernian]

If it’s his upper arm then it’s not a handball, something to do with the sleeve if I recall correctly?

Sorry I've probably said it wrong and take your point, I meant it more along the lines of it's hit his arm in an unnatural area as its not a goalscoring part of the body, it's hit his upper arm in my opinion but not just hit it he clearly in my opinion nudges himself to the ball to make sure the cross doesn't come in. It's sly and now on reflection well played by him with no penalty given however, like I say I thought it was a penalty and to not even go to VAR was mental to at least let the ref see it back, mind you the ref was woeful last night!

[AdidasHibernian]

Lucky to get away with the headbutt as well I think. Not seen that back either but at the game it looked like he should have been off.

For me personally Matty I feel Iredale made a meal of that and tried to send him off, was embarrassing if I'm honest however Devlin should have been booked for diving to win the free kick which caused it in the first place, again another poor ref display at ER.

[Donegal Hibby]

The thread wasn’t intended to be negative in any way, we deserved at least the point - it was more to point out the difference it can make when things like that go our way rather than against us.

I know it wasn’t 👍.. and I agree that when things go your way it can make a difference .

[Donegal Hibby]

I’m surprised you’re surprised.

It was yet another must win game and it was yet another game we didn’t win. The manner we went about snatching a draw has obviously impacted some peoples view on it, but it’s not a good result. We needed a win.

Yes the performance was better, but its wins that are going to get us out of this mess, not draws at home.

You say it was a must win game though quite a few had us down to lose 4 or 5 against them and were genuinely worried we were going to get a right doing ….

I agree we need wins not draws though against a team over 20 points ahead against our team that’s probably low in confidence I thought we more than matched them….

I’m not saying everything’s honky dory because its not though that last night we showed a bit of fight and character and in the end to comeback twice I think it was a decent result and a point gained imo…

From a personal point of view after we got the equaliser only to go behind again so near the end I was absolutely gutted as I thought that was it …. Rocky popping up with another equaliser right at the end certainly lifted my spirits …

Hopefully it will the team too as I looked on it as a bit of a victory .

[Paulie Walnuts]

You say it was a must win game though quite a few had us down to lose 4 or 5 against them and were genuinely worried we were going to get a right doing ….

I agree we need wins not draws though against a team over 20 points ahead against our team that’s probably low in confidence I thought we more than matched them….

I’m not saying everything’s honky dory because its not though that last night we showed a bit of fight and character and in the end to comeback twice I think it was a decent result and a point gained imo…

From a personal point of view after we got the equaliser only to go behind again so near the end I was absolutely gutted as I thought that was it …. Rocky popping up with another equaliser right at the end certainly lifted my spirits …

Hopefully it will the team too as I looked on it as a bit of a victory .

It doesn’t really matter how many goals people had us down to lose by, it was still a must win game. That’s just the way it is when you’ve been as bad as we are. We’ve won 1 game in our last 15. We’re bottom of the league and we’ve got a really difficult run coming up with 4 of our next 5 games away from home. We had to win at home yesterday.

I’m not going to argue the rest of your post as I agree with it.. but at the end of the day, for all the great spirit, fight, great to get a last minute goal etc the end result is exactly as it has been all season. Another game without a win.

I’m not in any way surprised that people are negative after it.

[Smartie]

Yeah we deserved it - that’s my point really, we’ve not had luck like that when we have arguably deserved it earlier in the season - we got it last night. It’s not the same as saying we were lucky to draw, the balance of play shows that was the least we deserved, but we had big moments where things went our way that weren’t necessarily by design. I’m not even sure Joe’s shot was on target but it hits a defender and at that point nobody is really in control of what happens next, it could deflect wide, back out away from goal, into the keeper’s arms etc - or into the net.

You don’t get the luck if you don’t take the shot, but it could have just as easily gone the other way.

From what I’ve seen of Aberdeen, they’ve been getting those breaks most of the season, last night we got it.

The more I think about it, the more I wonder if much of the entire disaster at Dens could be attributed to bad luck?

We'd started well and the game swung on the red card. What was the red card really - a heavy touch and then a fractionally mistimed tackle with the consequence that we are forced to play for 80 minutes with 10 men. In many ways that punishment doesn't really fit the crime.

Obviously the subsequent capitulation was inexcusable and there were so many moments that led to our heavy defeat where we could and should have done much better but the early red card was massively significant in terms of how that game eventually played out.

If the boot were on the other foot and an opposition player in a game got sent off in similar circumstances 10 minutes in and we got to play almost a whole game against 10 men, I think we'd be accepting of the fact that we were fortunate and were given a big helping hand in winning the game - and we'd be justifiably furious if we didn't.

[Donegal Hibby]

Yeah we deserved it - that’s my point really, we’ve not had luck like that when we have arguably deserved it earlier in the season - we got it last night. It’s not the same as saying we were lucky to draw, the balance of play shows that was the least we deserved, but we had big moments where things went our way that weren’t necessarily by design. I’m not even sure Joe’s shot was on target but it hits a defender and at that point nobody is really in control of what happens next, it could deflect wide, back out away from goal, into the keeper’s arms etc - or into the net.

You don’t get the luck if you don’t take the shot, but it could have just as easily gone the other way.

From what I’ve seen of Aberdeen, they’ve been getting those breaks most of the season, last night we got it.

Where Joe’s shot was actually going we might never know , after watching it again I think it might have taken two deflection's . Think we were due a bit of luck though.

[danhibees1875]

I don't disagree with the overall point but I think Dwight Gayle would like a word with regards to what you consider luck for the ball getting to Rocky for the third. :greengrin

[matty_f]

I don't disagree with the overall point but I think Dwight Gayle would like a word with regards to what you consider luck for the ball getting to Rocky for the third. :greengrin

Yeah I’ve revised that point already, was going from memory from only seeing the goal live - it was a good goal.

[WhileTheChief..]

I hope SDG and the players aren’t putting things down to bad luck.

It’s clutching at straws and doesn’t do us any good at all.

Blaming “bad luck” is a losers mentality and provides a get out for why we’re so rubbish.

We need to face up to things and work to put them right.

If it’s just bad luck, then why worry about anything, our luck will change and we’ll romp up the league right?!

[LustForLeith]

“The more I practice the luckier I get.”

I’m sure that quite was credited to Gary Playwr when he hit a lucky shot

I’m hoping that out luck is changing. I’m also hoping that we’re going to be making less errors and learning from the ones we make while doing all we can to make our own luck

[danhibees1875]

Yeah I’ve revised that point already, was going from memory from only seeing the goal live - it was a good goal.

Apologies - I hadn't read the whole thread to see that. Gayle worthy of further praise though - a very composed assist.

The whole goal worthy of praise - even Smith's kick, but largely the play from Campbell, Rocky, Youan, Gayle, and Rocky again.

[danhibees1875]

I hope SDG and the players aren’t putting things down to bad luck.

It’s clutching at straws and doesn’t do us any good at all.

Blaming “bad luck” is a losers mentality and provides a get out for why we’re so rubbish.

We need to face up to things and work to put them right.

If it’s just bad luck, then why worry about anything, our luck will change and we’ll romp up the league right?!

Well, I'd be willing to bet we go up the league before we go any further down...

Even at 3-2 down, frustrating as it was, I was prepared to say that the performance had still left me with confidence and that luck had played more than a small part in the result.

[staunchhibby]

Have watched the head butt incident a couple of times and convinced the intent was there and minimal contact so a card should have been used.

[Donegal Hibby]

Have watched the head butt incident a couple of times and convinced the intent was there and minimal contact so a card should have been used.

Seen players get sent off for it….

https://www.skysports.com/football/video/33744/13198811/fabian-schar-given-controversial-red-card-for-headbutt-on-ben-brereton-diaz

[blackpoolhibs]

I'm not a big believer in luck, what i do know is we make way more mistakes than the rest, and that's the reason we are where we are.

[Jones28]

Have watched the head butt incident a couple of times and convinced the intent was there and minimal contact so a card should have been used.

What I don't get is about that incident is the ref booked both players, for what exactly? Squaring up to each other?

[Smartie]

I hope SDG and the players aren’t putting things down to bad luck.

It’s clutching at straws and doesn’t do us any good at all.

Blaming “bad luck” is a losers mentality and provides a get out for why we’re so rubbish.

We need to face up to things and work to put them right.

If it’s just bad luck, then why worry about anything, our luck will change and we’ll romp up the league right?!

Acknowledging luck has its place imo.

Not saying this is necessarily the case at Hibs - but do you not think that if you have been doing stuff largely right but been a victim of bad luck then you're probably best to acknowledge the fact that bad luck has played a part and continue to do things right rather than change course?

I'd say that at a very high level Hibs could be reasonably accused of changing direction far too often.

Obviously deluding yourself that you've been unlucky when you've been wrong and pish is not going to be in your interests - and there's no doubts that Hibs have been wrong and pish in many areas in recent years.

[matty_f]

Acknowledging luck has its place imo.

Not saying this is necessarily the case at Hibs - but do you not think that if you have been doing stuff largely right but been a victim of bad luck then you're probably best to acknowledge the fact that bad luck has played a part and continue to do things right rather than change course?

I'd say that at a very high level Hibs could be reasonably accused of changing direction far too often.

Obviously deluding yourself that you've been unlucky when you've been wrong and pish is not going to be in your interests - and there's no doubts that Hibs have been wrong and pish in many areas in recent years.

Good post.

[matty_f]

I hope SDG and the players aren’t putting things down to bad luck.

It’s clutching at straws and doesn’t do us any good at all.

Blaming “bad luck” is a losers mentality and provides a get out for why we’re so rubbish.

We need to face up to things and work to put them right.

If it’s just bad luck, then why worry about anything, our luck will change and we’ll romp up the league right?!

I would be amazed if anyone is putting our predicament down to bad luck or anything other than not being good enough. That would be a pretty mental thing to do.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Lucky to get away with the headbutt as well I think. Not seen that back either but at the game it looked like he should have been off.

Surely not the Iredale incident? 🤔

[matty_f]

Surely not the Iredale incident? 🤔

I’ve only seen it live, by the comments on the thread it sounds like it wasn’t a red.

[Hibee Mac]

I don’t think it’s a penalty, maybe need to watch it again but the guy fell and I’m not sure what else he’s meant to do with his arm. I’d be raging if it was given against us (though I reckon that ref would have if it was at the other end).The problem for me is that I'm 100% certain that would be given against us. Comes back to your original bad luck point I reckon.

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[matty_f]

The problem for me is that I'm 100% certain that would be given against us. Comes back to your original bad luck point I reckon.

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Yeah - if it was against us we’d say it wasn’t bad luck because our player’s handled it but it is when one referee would give it and another wouldn’t, the action and bit we can control is the same but the outcome is different.

[Scotty Leither]

The problem for me is that I'm 100% certain that would be given against us. Comes back to your original bad luck point I reckon.

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Yup. Coincidentally it was Devlin who clearly put his hand to the ball at Pittodrie, and on Tuesday night at Easter Road when touched it with his hand he’s lying prone on the ground so his hand is in no way in a natural position.

He’ll probably think he can catch the ball next time and get away with it by saying there was something in his eye.

The decisions are bad enough; the fact they’re not even being reviewed is something the club should be publicly bringing up.

[matty_f]

Yup. Coincidentally it was Devlin who clearly put his hand to the ball at Pittodrie, and on Tuesday night at Easter Road when touched it with his hand he’s lying prone on the ground so his hand is in no way in a natural position.

He’ll probably think he can catch the ball next time and get away with it by saying there was something in his eye.

The decisions are bad enough; the fact they’re not even being reviewed is something the club should be publicly bringing up.
:agree:
Mentioned this on our phone in tonight - the handball will have been reviewed, and by that I mean given a cursory glance.

Compare with the forensic examination of the Dundee United penalty, or Celtic’s penalty in the last minute at Easter Rd, or however many other decisions you want to quote that have gone against us after a lengthy check where they go out of their way to find something.

When it’s us, they would be as well not even pretending they’re checking.

[JimBHibees]

:agree:
Mentioned this on our phone in tonight - the handball will have been reviewed, and by that I mean given a cursory glance.

Compare with the forensic examination of the Dundee United penalty, or Celtic’s penalty in the last minute at Easter Rd, or however many other decisions you want to quote that have gone against us after a lengthy check where they go out of their way to find something.

When it’s us, they would be as well not even pretending they’re checking.

Completely agree with the level of analysis or lack of. The Dundee United one was laughable as was Steven McLean pretending he looked at the handball. That genuinely should have been looked at for a few minutes from all angles it was such an unusual incident. We also had a certain red v Killie away ignored earlier in the season. All any fan is looking for is consistency and fairness.

[Hibrandenburg]

I'm not a big believer in luck, what i do know is we make way more mistakes than the rest, and that's the reason we are where we are.

:agree:

That and our positioning. It was blatantly obvious during the Aberdeen game that they were first to the vast majority of loose balls in midfield. Either they were set up better to get to them or were faster to react, either way it's an area we will have to work on if we're going to improve results.

[expresso]

:agree:
Mentioned this on our phone in tonight - the handball will have been reviewed, and by that I mean given a cursory glance.

Compare with the forensic examination of the Dundee United penalty, or Celtic’s penalty in the last minute at Easter Rd, or however many other decisions you want to quote that have gone against us after a lengthy check where they go out of their way to find something.

When it’s us, they would be as well not even pretending they’re checking.

Or the detailed check when TWO Ross County players barged Marshall inti the net for a late equaliser but they still have a goal.
It’s not the length of time taken with VAR checks it’s just us we get shafted continually but the club rolls over and takes it.