Rock on Rocky

[Paulie Walnuts]

He told the ref to go and look at VAR. players have been told to keep their mouth shut and only have the captains remonstrate. It was obviously over the top so he was booked. He’s an average player in an average team. His recovery pace is his saving grace.

:agree:

Posters who go on and on about Shinnie having a go at refs are tying themselves in knots trying to justify Rocky doing it.

[Coco Bryce]

Only the club captains are allowed to challenge referees regarding on-field decisions now.

[B.H.F.C]

Only the club captains are allowed to challenge referees regarding on-field decisions now.

I do have some sympathy with Rocky here because it was just a natural reaction and he was actually right. Multiple players challenge referees in every single game and nothing is done about it.

[HibbyAndy]

I do have some sympathy with Rocky here because it was just a natural reaction and he was actually right. Multiple players challenge referees in every single game and nothing is done about it.


This is where i am , Is it a booking for Rocky ? Yes , Is it a penalty ? Yes .. Every single football game that i watch their is a player or numerous players screaming at the referee to go look at VAR and nothing gets done about it , You could watch sportscene and every single game will have a player pushing , Pulling another player to the ground at set pieces , Corners , Every single game , It just feels like it's always hibs that get punished for these things .

All we want is consistency

[B.H.F.C]

This is where i am , Is it a booking for Rocky ? Yes , Is it a penalty ? Yes .. Every single football game that i watch their is a player or numerous players screaming at the referee to go look at VAR and nothing gets done about it , You could watch sportscene and every single game will have a player pushing , Pulling another player to the ground at set pieces , Corners , Every single game , It just feels like it's always hibs that get punished for these things .

All we want is consistency

Sympathy stops at the yellow card for me. What he did at the penalty was stupidity. Far too obvious, never looked at the ball once and just totally unnecessary.

[HibbyAndy]

Sympathy stops at the yellow card for me. What he did at the penalty was stupidity. Far too obvious, never looked at the ball once and just totally unnecessary.

From which i agree it's a penalty

[SickBoy32]

Even after watching replays of the penalty decision, I still cannot see the foul in all honesty.

There is no grab or pull, an arm from Bushiri around the torso at most - cue the StJ player throwing himself into Bushiri / at the ground.

Would be interested to hear why folk think it’s such a clear a foul? Not convinced something like that would be giving in the centre circle (or indeed against certain teams!)

Smacked of a very low quality ref, panicking.

[BILLYHIBS]

Even after watching replays of the penalty decision, I still cannot see the foul in all honesty.

There is no grab or pull, an arm from Bushiri around the torso at most - cue the StJ player throwing himself into Bushiri / at the ground.

Would be interested to hear why folk think it’s such a clear a foul? Not convinced something like that would be giving in the centre circle (or indeed against certain teams!)

Smacked of a very low quality ref, panicking.
Said at the time it looked soft see it every week goes unpunished the challenge is over in seconds the Saintees centre half cannot believe his luck and throw’s himself to the ground the thing for me is Rocky never looks at the ball and concentrates on the man sheer stupidity no need gives the incompetent Ref a decision to make penalty all day long following the SFA directive of no contact in the box

Love Rocky but the errors are mounting up

[Donegal Hibby]

He runs 20 yards to the ref and says something to him, it's the captains job not his. Are you saying the ref should not have booked him Mr Daley?

You said he was shouting in the referees face which you got wrong .. name calling is childless on your part btw though very you . Think I will just ignore you as you can’t be civil and seem to constantly having a go.

[Donegal Hibby]

This is where i am , Is it a booking for Rocky ? Yes , Is it a penalty ? Yes .. Every single football game that i watch their is a player or numerous players screaming at the referee to go look at VAR and nothing gets done about it , You could watch sportscene and every single game will have a player pushing , Pulling another player to the ground at set pieces , Corners , Every single game , It just feels like it's always hibs that get punished for these things .

All we want is consistency

I’ve only watched it twice Andy though is there any more contact on the penalty incident as there was on the one we didn’t get against Dundee Utd ? .

[blackpoolhibs]

You said he was shouting in the referees face which you got wrong .. name calling is some take on childless btw though very you .

Was he shouting before the camera panned to him?

And once again, no answer to the question was the ref right or wrong to book him Mr Daley?

[oneone73]

Only the club captains are allowed to challenge referees regarding on-field decisions now.

I think that rule only applies to Uefa competitions, not domestic leagues.

[Allant1981]

I think that rule only applies to Uefa competitions, not domestic leagues.

Only the captain can get explanations for decisions according to Willie collum a few months ago, was brought in after the euros

[Stuart93]

He needs to cut out his mistakes they’re still costing us

Generally been good in the whole

[Dashing Bob S]

In presence, drive, leadership, tackling and anticipation he simply offers more than the O’H/E pairing. Yes he often seems immobile and has a dodgy first touch but some of his blocks and interceptions are top class.

I’m often terrified with him as last man but I can’t think of a Hibs central defender the last few years I haven’t felt that way about.

The bottom line is that he’s the best we have and we’ve conceded less and looked more solid with him at the back. His return has been a major factor in our resurgence. By all means replace with with someone who offers more, but outside the OF budget SPL I’m not sure there is such a person.

There are other areas I’d strengthen first, particularly the midfield in terms of creativity and leadership.

[lucky]

He might be a bit of character but he's not good enough. He makes too many mistakes. In the last 3 games, he's cost us 2 goals. Unfortunately, he is a liability and is always likely to muck up.

[RIP]

He might be a bit of character but he's not good enough. He makes too many mistakes. In the last 3 games, he's cost us 2 goals. Unfortunately, he is a liability and is always likely to muck up.

Gibberish. He is a fan favourite. He brushes off centre forwards like they are wee boys. He had the St Johnstone forwards in his back pocket all game.

The Hearts og was caused partly by the deflection off Newell. I hope Gray goes through him for both the yellow and the hands on penalty.

Still prefer him to Marv, OHora and Iredale.

[Jones28]

He might be a bit of character but he's not good enough. He makes too many mistakes. In the last 3 games, he's cost us 2 goals. Unfortunately, he is a liability and is always likely to muck up.

What about the previous 5 or 6 games when he was pretty flawless? Even yesterday when on a yellow card he was composed and stayed on his feet, beat several forwards in foot races.

I’m not going to get in to a debate again, but I thought it was an incredibly harsh penalty. He was competing for the space, didn’t have his arms around him, didn’t have the shirt and simply went body to body and was penalised for it. I thought it was a bull**** award of a penalty and really can’t see where the actual foul is.

Other than the (IMO dubious) pen yesterday I thought he was harshly booked and did a really good job against their forwards, several occasions he outpaced forwards and one incident in the early second have he won the ball, spun away, and trotted off down the left line like it was easy.

[Bobby's Cinema]

Thought it was soft at the game and to me I don't see any difference really between this one and the Dundee Utd one at ER which was subsequently ruled that is shouldn't have been a pen.

I thought Rocky was in with a MOTM shout.... apart from the result changing mistake which has been said before. I like him I think he's a leader and important part of our recent successes.

[eastterrace]

What about the previous 5 or 6 games when he was pretty flawless? Even yesterday when on a yellow card he was composed and stayed on his feet, beat several forwards in foot races.

I’m not going to get in to a debate again, but I thought it was an incredibly harsh penalty. He was competing for the space, didn’t have his arms around him, didn’t have the shirt and simply went body to body and was penalised for it. I thought it was a bull**** award of a penalty and really can’t see where the actual foul is.

Other than the (IMO dubious) pen yesterday I thought he was harshly booked and did a really good job against their forwards, several occasions he outpaced forwards and one incident in the early second have he won the ball, spun away, and trotted off down the left line like it was easy. you forgetting his botch up for dundee 4th goal, he costing us goals every other game but I agree we don’t have anyone better at the moment so just need to put up with his mistakes.

[Jones28]

you forgetting his botch up for dundee 4th goal, he costing us goals every other game but I agree we don’t have anyone better at the moment so just need to put up with his mistakes.

I wasn’t really referring to a game in which we were soundly pumped before that even happened tbh. He made a mistake sure enough though.

[erin go bragh]

What about the previous 5 or 6 games when he was pretty flawless? Even yesterday when on a yellow card he was composed and stayed on his feet, beat several forwards in foot races.

I’m not going to get in to a debate again, but I thought it was an incredibly harsh penalty. He was competing for the space, didn’t have his arms around him, didn’t have the shirt and simply went body to body and was penalised for it. I thought it was a bull**** award of a penalty and really can’t see where the actual foul is.

Other than the (IMO dubious) pen yesterday I thought he was harshly booked and did a really good job against their forwards, several occasions he outpaced forwards and one incident in the early second have he won the ball, spun away, and trotted off down the left line like it was easy.
Can't put your hands on a player in the box. Gray basically said it was poor play as he had already warned our players about it.

[Hibees1973]

Wasn't even looking at the ball before fouling the St Johnstone player yesterday. Shocking.

This along with his howler against the Yam is not really what we need.

Has put himself under close scrutiny again.

Needs a solid, error free performance on Sunday or the knives will be out again.

[J-C]

Rocky ran 15 yards shouting at the ref, hence the yellow and was naive at the penalty, still raw and never learns.

[Carheenlea]

I was a bit worried about him lasting the second half with the booking and then escaping a second for the penalty, but he deserves a lot of credit for getting through the half without sailing anywhere near close to a sending off.

The penalty was a foolish challenge to make given the apparent “rules”, but one that goes unpunished in games up annd down the country every single week. Very few are penalised so there was definitely an element of bad luck.

I’d say that for every 20 coming togethers like that, you probably see 2 penalties awarded.

[Danderhall Hibs]

I was a bit worried about him lasting the second half with the booking and then escaping a second for the penalty, but he deserves a lot of credit for getting through the half without sailing anywhere near close to a sending off.

The penalty was a foolish challenge to make given the apparent “rules”, but one that goes unpunished in games up annd down the country every single week. Very few are penalised so there was definitely an element of bad luck.

I’d say that for every 20 coming togethers like that, you probably see 2 penalties awarded.

We got 2 in the same game just a few weeks ago.

[JimBHibees]

We got 2 in the same game just a few weeks ago.

Both were much more blatant than that one

[JimBHibees]

Wasn't even looking at the ball before fouling the St Johnstone player yesterday. Shocking.

This along with his howler against the Yam is not really what we need.

Has put himself under close scrutiny again.

Needs a solid, error free performance on Sunday or the knives will be out again.

Very soft pen

[Donegal Hibby]

Very soft pen

https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/people/Lloyd-Wilson/

[Donegal Hibby]

The Rocky booking I have heard that only the captain can speak or confront the referee which is fair enough though I disagree that Rocky was in the referees face shouting .. none of these were booked for putting their points across in a similar manner even though the keeper is the captain ( very start ) ….

https://youtu.be/6v9bJ7MUe7s?si=08tYd7uHmEE3GEFR

[matty_f]

The Rocky booking I have heard that only the captain can speak or confront the referee which is fair enough though I disagree that Rocky was in the referees face shouting .. none of these were booked for putting their points across in a similar manner even though the keeper is the captain ( very start ) ….

https://youtu.be/6v9bJ7MUe7s?si=08tYd7uHmEE3GEFR

Unless we know what Rocky said, it’s a moot point making comparisons.

It’s not only the point about the captains being the ones to speak to the ref, there’s also the consideration given to whether he’s asking that the ref books or sends the player off (also a cautionable offence) or even just the words he’s used if the referee considers he’s overstepped the mark (from memory, Rocky points to his eye to suggest either the referee has missed something or should go and look at something, either way. when you consider that the referee was in the process of booking Holt, you can see why he might take exception to that.



Whichever way you cut it, though, it’s an unnecessary booking. He’s lucky that the ref take the opportunity to even things up with a second yellow for the penalty, which is 100% on Rocky by the way.

Miller was at fault for the corner, what followed was entirely on Rocky.

He otherwise had a great game, but you can’t escape the significance of that penalty the context of the game. It virtually nullified our advantage because it let St Johnstone just pack their defence as they had something to hold on to.

[JimBHibees]

The Rocky booking I have heard that only the captain can speak or confront the referee which is fair enough though I disagree that Rocky was in the referees face shouting .. none of these were booked for putting their points across in a similar manner even though the keeper is the captain ( very start ) ….

https://youtu.be/6v9bJ7MUe7s?si=08tYd7uHmEE3GEFR

I know they changed that rule however it is not applied in the vast majority of games. Can remember Chris Cadden getting one earlier in the season but loads of times it should be used but isn’t.

[Donegal Hibby]

Unless we know what Rocky said, it’s a moot point making comparisons.

It’s not only the point about the captains being the ones to speak to the ref, there’s also the consideration given to whether he’s asking that the ref books or sends the player off (also a cautionable offence) or even just the words he’s used if the referee considers he’s overstepped the mark (from memory, Rocky points to his eye to suggest either the referee has missed something or should go and look at something, either way. when you consider that the referee was in the process of booking Holt, you can see why he might take exception to that.



Whichever way you cut it, though, it’s an unnecessary booking. He’s lucky that the ref take the opportunity to even things up with a second yellow for the penalty, which is 100% on Rocky by the way.

Miller was at fault for the corner, what followed was entirely on Rocky.

He otherwise had a great game, but you can’t escape the significance of that penalty the context of the game. It virtually nullified our advantage because it let St Johnstone just pack their defence as they had something to hold on to.

I agree in we don’t know what Rocky said though as Colin said it looked like the way Rocky put his finger up to his ear he was asking for the ref to talk to VAR as Rocky knew it was a bad tackle . I also think the referee had the yellow card out before Rocky had got to him which is why he asked for it .I thought Rocky had actually turned away and looked a bit shocked he had been booked ….

As to the penalty I blame Miller more for it because he initially was the cause of us ending up under pressure, maybe Rocky was on the wrong side of the saints player though I didn’t see Rocky pulling at the player or wrestling him and thought it was more a coming together which was clumsy but very soft IMO much like Iredale’s booking when the saints player again for me went down too easily.

I do think Rocky has a mistake in him and wither folk want to blame him or not I think he did have a decent game and the good stuff he does for me outweighs the odd mistake he has in him .

Some of the bookings I feel players are getting this season are soft and spoiling the game to a degree , yellow cards and sending offs I’d imagine is significantly up on last season.

[matty_f]

I agree in we don’t know what Rocky said though as Colin said it looked like the way Rocky put his finger up to his ear he was asking for the ref to talk to VAR as Rocky knew it was a bad tackle . I also think the referee had the yellow card out before Rocky had got to him which is why he asked for it .I thought Rocky had actually turned away and looked a bit shocked he had been booked ….

As to the penalty I blame Miller more for it because he initially was the cause of us ending up under pressure, maybe Rocky was on the wrong side of the saints player though I didn’t see Rocky pulling at the player or wrestling him and thought it was more a coming together which was clumsy but very soft IMO much like Iredale’s booking when the saints player again for me went down too easily.

I do think Rocky has a mistake in him and wither folk want to blame him or not I think he did have a decent game and the good stuff he does for me outweighs the odd mistake he has in him .

Some of the bookings I feel players are getting this season are soft and spoiling the game to a degree , yellow cards and sending offs I’d imagine is significantly up on last season.
I think it’s crazy that folk can happily blame Miller for conceding a corner while absolving Rocky for conceding the penalty.

[Up-the-slope]

Rocky had a really decent game - albeit that not really under pressure much with one up top. He did however make a horlicks at the corner, at the game even it being the other other end I called penalty even before ref blew. Very clumsy.

but he would not be at hibs if he was flawless

[1875Sean]

I think it’s crazy that folk can happily blame Miller for conceding a corner while absolving Rocky for conceding the penalty.

Or think he is blameless for the O.G against Hearts

[blackpoolhibs]

I blame Boyle for not winning the toss.

[Since90+2]

Or think he is blameless for the O.G against Hearts

That's the craziest one for me. About as blatant a calamity as you'll see from a centre half and some how it's not his fault.

[hibsbollah]

That's the craziest one for me. About as blatant a calamity as you'll see from a centre half and some how it's not his fault.

There were a large number of posters on the thread at the time that were of the opinion that once you see the deflection off Joe its a big mitigation, or the mistake was more understandable. All just crazy people, clearly.

[Jock O]

Or think he is blameless for the O.G against Hearts

Or think our players on our budget should be as consistent as Virgil Van Dyk! It is really quite draining how so many pore over every second looking for fault but ignore anything good.

Sure when we set our bar at Carter Vickers and McGregor as the sort of player we need to improve to where fans think we should be Black Knights will be on the case and they will be currently getting them on the megabus across the M8!

[Since90+2]

There were a large number of posters on the thread at the time that were of the opinion that once you see the deflection off Joe its a big mitigation, or the mistake was more understandable. All just crazy people, clearly.

Absolutely.

Anyone who's watched football and has seen the own goal will say it's 100% an error from the centre half.

It's comical to suggest otherwise.

[hibsbollah]

Absolutely.

Anyone who's watched football and has seen the own goal will say it's 100% an error from the centre half.

It's comical to suggest otherwise.

Just saying things are ‘comical’ because you say they are, and saying ‘anyone’ who’s ever watched football agrees with you, is clearly nonsense.

…lots of people thought there were mitigating circumstances that help explain the error. Not that there wasn’t an error, but that there were explanations for that error.

[Since90+2]

Just saying things are ‘comical’ because you say they are, and saying ‘anyone’ who’s ever watched football agrees with you, is clearly nonsense.

…lots of people thought there were mitigating circumstances that help explain the error. Not that there wasn’t an error, but that there were explanations for that error.

So he did make an error then.

Glad we got there in the end.

[Jones28]

So he did make an error then.

Glad we got there in the end.

Not a single person said he didn’t make an error. People with eyes see the ball take a nick off Newall which explains why Rocky made the error and sliced it rather than cleared it.

[Since90+2]

Not a single person said he didn’t make an error. People with eyes see the ball take a nick off Newall which explains why Rocky made the error and sliced it rather than cleared it.

I think if you look back on this thread you'll find posts saying it wasn't his fault.

So the idea that not a single person said he didn't make an error is incorrect.

[Jock O]

I think if you look back on this thread you'll find posts saying it wasn't his fault.

So the idea that not a single person said he didn't make an error is incorrect.

Didn't he make at least two potential goal saving blocks as well that kept us ahead? Do these count in the huddy stakes, or do we just accentuate the negative?

[He's here!]

Wasn't even looking at the ball before fouling the St Johnstone player yesterday. Shocking.

This along with his howler against the Yam is not really what we need.

Has put himself under close scrutiny again.

Needs a solid, error free performance on Sunday or the knives will be out again.

Hardly a howler. Took a nick off Newell on its way to him and he played well overall. For me, he's been at the heart of our mini-revival. I'd rather have a character like him who wears his heart on his sleeve in the side than a quiet guy like Hanlon (who was a decent player, but, like Stevenson, only really thrived with better players around him. As soon as we reverted to mediocrity so did they).

[Since90+2]

Didn't he make at least two potential goal saving blocks as well that kept us ahead? Do these count in the huddy stakes, or do we just accentuate the negative?

He played well overall. I've never said otherwise, but he was definitely at fault for the goal, or made an error, and that is silly to suggest otherwise IMO.

I don't think he's as bad as being made out by some for what it's worth.

[A Hi-Bee]

He was fine at Perth, no even so sure it was a pen, very soft the game is going to the dugs in my humble when things like this are pulled up. if the ref was honest they would award 3 or 4 pens every game.

[basehibby]

He runs 20 yards to the ref and says something to him, it's the captains job not his. Are you saying the ref should not have booked him Mr Daley?

I'd absolutely say the ref should not have booked Rocky in this instance. Far from your initial description of "shouting in his face", Rocky stops about 5 yards from the ref and says something - didn't look to have lost it at all but looked quite restrained considering the leg breaker of a tackle just inflicted on his teammate.

I'm aware of the new rules about the captain speaking to the ref but this booking seemed disproportionate and unnecessary to me.

[blackpoolhibs]

I'd absolutely say the ref should not have booked Rocky in this instance. Far from your initial description of "shouting in his face", Rocky stops about 5 yards from the ref and says something - didn't look to have lost it at all but looked quite restrained considering the leg breaker of a tackle just inflicted on his teammate.

I'm aware of the new rules about the captain speaking to the ref but this booking seemed disproportionate and unnecessary to me.

Good luck with changing the rules or even getting refs to be consistant, best way not to get booked is say and do nothing to get booked, especially back chat .

[Donegal Hibby]

I think it’s crazy that folk can happily blame Miller for conceding a corner while absolving Rocky for conceding the penalty.

We where so close to have half-time though when Miller had the ball , he had numerous options that he could have done with the ball rather than dwelling on it and getting caught which give them the opportunity while putting us under pressure….

As I said Rocky might have been on the wrong side of the saints player and is trying to get by him but for all I’ve heard on here about it being a stonewall penalty..

I don’t see Rocky see after numerous times watching it that Rocky’s pulled him or wrestled him to the ground and the saints player IMO is at it too , it’s hand bag stuff and I thought the penalty was as soft as a block of ice cream that’s been left out of the freezer for a couple of hours , certainly a lot less contact than the one we didn’t get against Dundee Utd …

If it was as some say a stonewall penalty I don’t understand why in that case Rocky didn’t walk :confused:.

As to the referee I thought he was awful and got the original decision for the sending off wrong, Iredale’s booking looked incredibly soft and the game was too stop start with a referee that’s only refereed five top flight games in the last twelve months trying to be the centre of attention…

For what it’s worth I don’t want to see Miller hammered for it by the fans as I think there’s too much of that going on and in particular with Rocky and Campbell …

Hope I haven’t put up your blood pressure with this Matty 😂👍

[Smartie]

Or think he is blameless for the O.G against Hearts

There’s quite a bit of middle ground between “blameless” and “entirely culpable”.

For me it never looks great when a player clumsily slices a clearance into his own net but the ball did take a wee nick that made it less than 100% straightforward to clear the ball perfectly.

Not his finest hour, not exactly a hanging offence either.

[The Modfather]

We where so close to have half-time though when Miller had the ball , he had numerous options that he could have done with the ball rather than dwelling on it and getting caught which give them the opportunity while putting us under pressure….

As I said Rocky might have been on the wrong side of the saints player and is trying to get by him but for all I’ve heard on here about it being a stonewall penalty..

I don’t see Rocky see after numerous times watching it that Rocky’s pulled him or wrestled him to the ground and the saints player IMO is at it too , it’s hand bag stuff and I thought the penalty was as soft as a block of ice cream that’s been left out of the freezer for a couple of hours , certainly a lot less contact than the one we didn’t get against Dundee Utd …

If it was as some say a stonewall penalty I don’t understand why in that case Rocky didn’t walk :confused:.

As to the referee I thought he was awful and got the original decision for the sending off wrong, Iredale’s booking looked incredibly soft and the game was too stop start with a referee that’s only refereed five top flight games in the last twelve months trying to be the centre of attention…

For what it’s worth I don’t want to see Miller hammered for it by the fans as I think there’s too much of that going on and in particular with Rocky and Campbell …

Hope I haven’t put up your blood pressure with this Matty 😂👍

Why is he trying to get by him? He has no idea where the ball is or any interest in the ball. Are we saying Rocky was innocently trying to get goal side and then look for the ball and what was needed?

Why can’t you simply call it like it is? Rocky had no idea where the ball was, and was only interested in grappling with the attacker. Sometimes you get lucky and get away with them, when you have no interest in the ball you can’t have any complaints when a penalty is given. It was a costly mistake/lapse of concentration in an otherwise decent performance. Which 3 years later is still the best description of Rocky.

Miller also deserving of criticism for his ability to create a mistake out of nothing and lack of game management.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Not a single person said he didn’t make an error. People with eyes see the ball take a nick off Newall which explains why Rocky made the error and sliced it rather than cleared it.

There was plenty folk said he didn’t and that he couldn’t have done anything about it.

Rocky’s been generally decent recently. He’s made a couple of big mistakes though, costing us goals. Pretending otherwise is silly. The idea Miller is at fault for giving away a corner, more than Rocky is at fault for giving away the actual penalty they scored from is an absolutely mental take and seeing the posters who are claiming otherwise I’m convinced they often just post an alternate view for the sake of an argument (not you btw) as their views are almost always the polar opposite of what everyone else is seeing - for example, two posters who claimed Joe Newells red at Tannadice was ‘scandalous refereeing’ and never in a million years a second yellow, never mind a red, are now insistent that Jason Holts tackle was a horror tackle and deserving of Rocky’s reaction despite the fact Newells was almost inarguably worse.

There’s a handful on here will do the most incredible mental gymnastics to claim that Hibs are the most hard done by team in world football (because of an anti Hibs conspiracy that they can never explain the reason behind, of course) and that nothing is ever the fault of anyone associated with Hibs.

[Donegal Hibby]

Why is he trying to get by him? He has no idea where the ball is or any interest in the ball. Are we saying Rocky was innocently trying to get goal side and then look for the ball and what was needed?

Why can’t you simply call it like it is? Rocky had no idea where the ball was, and was only interested in grappling with the attacker. Sometimes you get lucky and get away with them, when you have no interest in the ball you can’t have any complaints when a penalty is given. It was a costly mistake/lapse of concentration in an otherwise decent performance. Which 3 years later is still the best description of Rocky.

Miller also deserving of criticism for his ability to create a mistake out of nothing and lack of game management.

You say Rocky is grabbling the attacker though there was as much grabbling on Rocky .. six of one and half a dozen the other !! .

If it was a stonewall penalty as some of you are saying it is then why didn’t the referee book him for it ?… again there was more contact in the one we were denied in the Dundee Utd game than there was in this one .. it’s a soft , soft penalty IMO …

what we had was a referee with limited experience of refereeing top flight games over the last 12 months because he was officiating in lower leagues which was about his standard as he got more decisions wrong than he did right.

There’s no question Rocky has a mistake in him but other than Iredale all of our defenders has made mistakes and in a couple of cases this season some have actually made more than Rocky too …

Don’t forget it was Rocky’s goal that actually lead to a turnaround in our results which he has been very much a part off ..

I’m leaving it there because I don’t think it matters what’s said about Rocky as it’s obvious some on here just have the knives out for the guy anyhow .

[easty]

You say Rocky is grabbling the attacker though there was as much grabbling on Rocky .. six of one and half a dozen the other !! .

If it was a stonewall penalty as some of you are saying it is then why didn’t the referee book him for it ?… again there was more contact in the one we were denied in the Dundee Utd game than there was in this one .. it’s a soft , soft penalty IMO …

what we had was a referee with limited experience of refereeing top flight games over the last 12 months because he was officiating in lower leagues which was about his standard as he got more decisions wrong than he did right.

There’s no question Rocky has a mistake in him but other than Iredale all of our defenders has made mistakes and in a couple of cases this season some have actually made more than Rocky too …

Don’t forget it was Rocky’s goal that actually lead to a turnaround in our results which he has been very much a part off ..

I’m leaving it there because I don’t think it matters what’s said about Rocky as it’s obvious some on here just have the knives out for the guy anyhow .

People blame a player for giving away a penalty and scoring an own goal, after praising him in previous weeks = got the knives out for Rocky.

You blame a different player for the penalty…who didn’t give it away = fair criticism

Donegal logic 👌

[The Hibee Harp]

We ALL want Rocky to be a success at Hibs but the sad matter of fact is that he isn’t good enough long term and of the options available to us just now he is a stop-gap. He can get be solid for 85 minutes but is prone to a brain fart or two each week and in that 5 minute spell we are vulnerable. In this league, where matches are so tight, that 5 minute weakness can and has proven costly. For me, it was a pen on Thursday and Rocky (and the Saints boy) were spoken to before by the ref about pulling. Rocky was spoken to at least twice by the ref against Killie too. With VAR now it’s bonkers to be pulling shirts and he isn’t learning. He had the heart of a lion and I’d never fault his effort BUT we need to be aiming higher and for better.

[Donegal Hibby]

People blame a player for giving away a penalty and scoring an own goal, after praising him in previous weeks = got the knives out for Rocky.

You blame a different player for the penalty…who didn’t give it away = fair criticism

Donegal logic 👌

I thought it was debatable wither it was a penalty in the first place and going by how the referee never booked Rocky for it makes me wonder if the ref was entirely sure it was too ..

The own goal I thought came from a slight deflection which was unlucky…

We were again so close to halftime when a mistake from Miller put us under pressure..

Donegal’s logic is our players have done well for weeks now in turning things around since Rocky’s late equaliser against Aberdeen and even though it was a disappointing result I think we can cut the players a bit slack rather than singling any out like Rocky .. they all make mistakes at times and if they didn’t we probably wouldn’t have them .. anyhow not getting into an argument about it with you as even though I don’t agree with you at times I do think your a good poster 👍

[Hibernian Verse]

Hardly a howler. Took a nick off Newell on its way to him and he played well overall. For me, he's been at the heart of our mini-revival. I'd rather have a character like him who wears his heart on his sleeve in the side than a quiet guy like Hanlon (who was a decent player, but, like Stevenson, only really thrived with better players around him. As soon as we reverted to mediocrity so did they).

You must be playing Hibs net bingo if you’re managing to get the names Hanlon and Stevenson in.

Has anyone mentioned Lennon and McInnes yet they’re all I have left on one of the lines.


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[Ribs1875]

Hardly a howler. Took a nick off Newell on its way to him and he played well overall. For me, he's been at the heart of our mini-revival. I'd rather have a character like him who wears his heart on his sleeve in the side than a quiet guy like Hanlon (who was a decent player, but, like Stevenson, only really thrived with better players around him. As soon as we reverted to mediocrity so did they).

I agree, he has done what Hanlon and Stevenson could never do. Had they two been involved with this season they would have hid away. Rocky has at least got a chance and took responsibility. The stats speak for themselves since he came back into the team. In 8 games just 1 defeat, it's crazy to run down the contract of a player who continues to improve.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I agree, he has done what Hanlon and Stevenson could never do. Had they two been involved with this season they would have hid away. Rocky has at least got a chance and took responsibility. The stats speak for themselves since he came back into the team. In 8 games just 1 defeat, it's crazy to run down the contract of a player who continues to improve.

Wow :faf:

Yes, rocky has done what two of the most succesful Hibs players in living memory have never managed to do.. by having a good run of form over 7 or so games whilst we’re in the bottom 6.

Incredible.

[Liam89]

I agree, he has done what Hanlon and Stevenson could never do. Had they two been involved with this season they would have hid away. Rocky has at least got a chance and took responsibility. The stats speak for themselves since he came back into the team. In 8 games just 1 defeat, it's crazy to run down the contract of a player who continues to improve.

Oh yeah, Hanlon has never scored an important goal in the dying minutes right enough...

[Since452]

Rocky would be one of the first names on my team sheet.

[CapitalGreen]

Rocky would be one of the first names on my team sheet.

Obviously, we only have 1 fully fit centre back.

[Allant1981]

I agree, he has done what Hanlon and Stevenson could never do. Had they two been involved with this season they would have hid away. Rocky has at least got a chance and took responsibility. The stats speak for themselves since he came back into the team. In 8 games just 1 defeat, it's crazy to run down the contract of a player who continues to improve.

I hope the start of your post was said in jest, if not then possibly the most ridiculous thing I've read on here in ages

[hibee_girl]

I agree, he has done what Hanlon and Stevenson could never do. Had they two been involved with this season they would have hid away. Rocky has at least got a chance and took responsibility. The stats speak for themselves since he came back into the team. In 8 games just 1 defeat, it's crazy to run down the contract of a player who continues to improve.

Wow 😆

[Jones28]

I agree, he has done what Hanlon and Stevenson could never do. Had they two been involved with this season they would have hid away. Rocky has at least got a chance and took responsibility. The stats speak for themselves since he came back into the team. In 8 games just 1 defeat, it's crazy to run down the contract of a player who continues to improve.

No need to bring two club legends in to this debate at all.

[DJ HIBBY]

Get him dropped, that’s amateur defending. Hopeless

[SteveHFC]

Get his contract ripped up.

[Hibee Mac]

Rocky again, it's pretty much a goal a game now

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[I'm_cabbaged]

Jog on Rocky

[Suburban Hibby]

Sunday league- absolute pish

[Heisenberg]

There is no doubt we need a centre half.

[CallumHibs07]

Its a simple head back to the keeper. ******* imposter

Mind folk were asking for a new contract a couple weeks ago? :faf::faf::faf:

[supermcginn]

There's no danger he'll get a new contract and thank **** for that.

[we are hibs]

Can't wait to hear the excuses this time. A gust of wind? Punched in the throat? A deflection?

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[Since90+2]

Not his fault no doubt.

[SteveHFC]

There's no danger he'll get a new contract and thank **** for that.

I’ll do time if he and Miller are still here next season.

[HH81]

Not his fault no doubt.

Cause it was.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Kwon just **** off man

[Jones28]

Kwon just **** off man

This is the thread for ****ting on Rocky.

[Speedy]

Its a simple head back to the keeper. ******* imposter

Mind folk were asking for a new contract a couple weeks ago? :faf::faf::faf:

He has never been able to head the ball properly.

All the physical attributes but just isn't a natural footballer.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Can't wait to hear the excuses this time. A gust of wind? Punched in the throat? A deflection?

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Didn’t you hear? He’s done more for Hibs than Hanlon and Stevenson.

[MikeyS]

He has never been able to head the ball properly.

All the physical attributes but just isn't a natural footballer.

He's got a head like a biscuit tin! Every header appears like it's being cushioned.

[Not In The Know]

Quite possibly the worst professional I have ever seen at heading a ball. Not ideal for a CH.

[WhileTheChief..]

Another game, another mistake, another goal lost.

I wonder what Gray thinks when he sees this kind of thing?

A few weeks ago he was almost out of a job, with one of the reasons being cited that too many individual errors were costing us points.

He really needs to add a decent centre half this window.

[HH81]

Good assist from Rocky, played it straight into Boyle's path.

[Jones28]

Nice assist there. Give him the no 9.

[Donegal Hibby]

Nice assist there. Give him the no 9.

:thumbsup:

[Tambo]

Could have done better with their first, did make up for it with the assist for Boyles goal, poor start from our defence in general.

[Hiber-nation]

It's not even a discussion point now. Game after game. Him and Miller are as good as a goal start for any opposition.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It's not even a discussion point now. Game after game. Him and Miller are as good as a goal start for any opposition.

Yup.

He done well for the goal but that’s not what he’s there for. If he’s constantly costing us goals then he needs to be removed from the team.

[blackpoolhibs]

Not Rockys fault, we lost the ball 5 minutes before way too easily.

[Not In The Know]

Quite possibly the worst professional I have ever seen at heading a ball. Not ideal for a CH.


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[Smartie]

Cometh the hour…

[The Modfather]

Get that contract renewal sorted…. 😀

[Jones28]

🧡 get in big man

[MikeyS]

He's got a head like a biscuit tin! Every header appears like it's being cushioned.

A goal and an assist! Send Myko back get a new CB and Rocky up front!

[Just_Jimmy]

And then that...

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[1875Sean]

Sums up his Hibs career

[Donegal Hibby]

Rocky …. What a warrior :flag:

[Northernhibee]

Where the **** do you begin with that performance?

[Tambo]

The good and bad with Rocky, almost lost it at the end, played ok with some Rocky moments, probably why he's at Hibs.

[silverhibee]

Where the **** do you begin with that performance?

A point against the huns, can’t complain, referee needs calling out.

[J-C]

Where the **** do you begin with that performance?

It's a typical Rocky performance, one minute ****ing up at the back, next scoring a goal or a last ditch block, tries his hardest but still not good enough.

[Jones28]

Wow. The best and worst of the big man today. Really needs to command the ball against igamamame for their chance at the end. He sums up the character of this squad, has great moments in him, has some horror moments but for me his good moments outweigh the bad.

[supermcginn]

It's a typical Rocky performance, one minute ****ing up at the back, next scoring a goal or a last ditch block, tries his hardest but still not good enough.

He is so so fortunate Igamane missed at the end there it was an astonishingly bad bit of defending, sold one goal and nearly sold the game. He'll be away next season and rightly so.

[PiemanP]

Had a hand in 5 goals 😂 love the guy but we need better.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Hero villain and repeat 🙄

[Centre Hawf]

I love the big man, I really do. But everyone just needs to accept that this should be the last 6 months of his time here and try and go out on a high.

[Iain G]

Brilliant interview with Rocky on sportsound! Such a good character 😁

[Hibees1973]

For me, the biggest cult figure at the club since Benny Brazil.

[SHODAN]

Can he play as a DM?

[hibee_girl]

He looks shell shocked getting interviewed 😆

[Unseen work]

I can’t help but love him

Makes mistakes

Also does alot really well

[Since452]

He's a lion

[tonyrougier123]

I love this guy, but what do we do with him, 😂😂

[TheCabbage]

Can he play as a DM?
Hell no
Never knows what to do with the ball at his feet

[lyonhibs]

Need better. It's all very well being lovable etc, but you CANNOT let a ball bounce about 6 times in the 89th minute of a game you're drawing 3-3.

[worcesterhibby]

I love the big man, I really do. But everyone just needs to accept that this should be the last 6 months of his time here and try and go out on a high.

completely disagree. it's the attitude of Rocky and Nicky Cadden that has made our re-surgance possible. We need to give him a new contract now ! Every defender that is within our budget will make mistakes... very few will have the heart, athleticism and mentality of Rocky.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Big mad ******* bet the players love him. Gives his all

[jeffers]

I love this guy, but what do we do with him, 😂😂

Thank him in the summer for his efforts and let him go. He’s just not learning and continues to make basic errors.

[Cabbage-Patch]

I've never seen a player have such a mixed game. Honestly heart in mouth moment whenever he has the ball. He was hopeless at thier 1st goal and only a stroke of luck stopped him losing us that game at the end. Goal and a great assist at the other end though. Hear me out but is there a case to play him in centre midfield? He's a handful going forward due to his strength so why not capitalise on that. Can't be any worse than at Centre back :greengrin

[Heisenberg]

A horrific defender and the reason we conceded two of the goals (and nearly responsible for another) but great in an attacking sense.

Edit: Sorry being harsh think he was only at fault for their first

[we are hibs]

I love the big man, I really do. But everyone just needs to accept that this should be the last 6 months of his time here and try and go out on a high.Absolutely. I don't think anyone doubts he wears his heart on his sleeve but he causes far too much drama at the back. It's not even slight errors that he makes like being half a yard off his man but it's wild decision making. You want your centre halves to be composed rather than emotional and he gets far too drawn into games rather than being able to stand back and read the game and situation

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[Jock O]

Quite possibly the worst professional I have ever seen at heading a ball. Not ideal for a CH.

I think that's a bit harsh given he has some good offensive headers, but certainly defensively his style and approach to heading is bizarre, I watched him really closely at the Kilmarnock game, and some of the times he just floundered. The only one he went straight in was when the ball was at waist height and he tried to header it!

Always letting the ball bounce also is really putting him under extra pressure, but maybe we need to realise that is going to be always the way he plays and therefore make sure we cover for that.

Its definitely a big decision on whether he is good enough to improve, himself and the club, I think he can, but losing us more games rather than us coming back from his mistakes would possibly change that.

I also like having a character like this in the team, we need it. We just need it to be matched with some completely mistake free performances :greengrin

[Bostonhibby]

Spirit and attitude counts for so much in a team and he has it in spades, can we ever reduce the brain fart moments? Never, never let it bounce like he did at the end, thump it and he'll remain a hero.....

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[Northernhibee]

I really like him, he makes no more mistakes than any other player, But unfortunately his mistakes are never small ones.!

[Paul1642]

He probably needs to go but I’ll be genuinely gutted about it.

I can’t think of another Hibs defender who has been so prone to a mistake yet so likeable at the same time.

[cameronw-hfc]

There are far, far worse defenders out there. Shouldn't be a starter for us, but I'd happily have him as part of the squad. New contract if we are bringing others in and he's here as a squad player, not if it means he's first choice. Love the big guy and will be gutted when he goes, but we've had far worse than Rocky as a starter so no issues with him being a squad player, more than good enough for that

[Hibees1973]

Brilliant interview with Rocky on sportsound! Such a good character 😁

Yes.

Said he tried to bring a calmness. :wink:

For all his flaws, he brings a fair amount to the table as well.

[He's here!]

completely disagree. it's the attitude of Rocky and Nicky Cadden that has made our re-surgance possible. We need to give him a new contract now ! Every defender that is within our budget will make mistakes... very few will have the heart, athleticism and mentality of Rocky.

Absolutely. I bet he's the first name on Gray's team sheet every week. Colossus today and a player integral to our revival. Players with that kind of heart are few and far between.

[HarpOnHibee]

The Jekyll and Hyde of football.

[sambajustice]

He's got a lot of good attributes. Just not defensive ones unfortunately!

[Liam89]

Give him a lifetime contract. Keep coaching him and try and protect him so he's not left alone to deal with high balls.

Love a character like him at Hibs!

[1875Sean]

[QUOTE=Liam89;7859499]so he's not left alone to deal with high balls.

Not ideal for a centre half who may be the last line of defence

[hibsbollah]

Absolutely. I bet he's the first name on Gray's team sheet every week. Colossus today and a player integral to our revival. Players with that kind of heart are few and far between.

Agree wholeheartedly. Charisma is so important in sport, a lot of torn-faced disasters don’t seem to realise that. What a day to be alive and at Easter Road! #weareall33

[IanM]

One (punished) mistake
One assist
One goal

He just looks in no man’s land any time when the ball is over his head - like he needs someone next to him to give him directions.. simple football needed at those time; donr let it bounce

But fair ****s - can Gray coach that out of him? Let’s hope so

[roo62]

[QUOTE=Liam89;7859499]so he's not left alone to deal with high balls.

Not ideal for a centre half who may be the last line of defence
Two areas he needs to work on - turning his back on the ball so often and letting the ball bounce when one on one. You would think these areas are coachable.

[Gmack7]

[QUOTE=1875Sean;7859512]
Two areas he needs to work on - turning his back on the ball so often and letting the ball bounce when one on one. You would think these areas are coachable.

They are, and have been for nearly 3 years

[tamig]

Yes. The guy has so many positive attributes but just cannot handle a situation of a high or bouncing ball coming straight at him with an opponent nearby. Spend a week working on that in training and the problem should be solved.

[EdinMike]

He gets a goal and yet makes me double check my underwear at the end of the day… Isn’t that why we pay to be entertained?!

*i don’t bill Rocky for my cleaning 😅*

[EGL2000]

Yes. The guy has so many positive attributes but just cannot handle a situation of a high or bouncing ball coming straight at him with an opponent nearby. Spend a week working on that in training and the problem should be solved.

You'd like to think for the 3 or so years he's been here they have been trying to coach him that. As of yet doesn't look like it's made much difference.

[Centre Hawf]

completely disagree. it's the attitude of Rocky and Nicky Cadden that has made our re-surgance possible. We need to give him a new contract now ! Every defender that is within our budget will make mistakes... very few will have the heart, athleticism and mentality of Rocky.

Yes he's been decent but let's not kid ourselves on that he's turned the corner completely. He's made countless errors in his time here and even in the last 4 days he's been very ropey, on another day he costs us a point with that daft mistake at the end. Which is all the more mental when you consider he's made near enough the same mistake at 1-0 too.

I really do love the guy, as you say his attitude is excellent. But we just can't kick on to challenge for European football properly with him at the heart of our defence for another 3 or 4 years.

[speedy_gonzales]

Dunno if it was a Rocky move, or a coaching move, but after Boyle buried the penalty Bushiri ran up the East Stand touchline knocking the spare balls off their cones on to the pitch by a couple of yards.
Sh*thousery of the highest order, dunno if he was trying to delay the kick off or time waste in general.

[tamig]

You'd like to think for the 3 or so years he's been here they have been trying to coach him that. As of yet doesn't look like it's made much difference.

Its not a difficult issue to deal with. It becomes even more of an issue when he’s playing in the middle of a three though. Surely the coaches can do something to deal with it. Its the single main weakness in his game and he’s done if it isn’t resolved sharpish. Plenty of other good things but this weakness is a liability for a centre half.

[Allant1981]

Glad he scored but he is not very good, the goal and then almost goal at the end are the exact reasons we need better

[BILLYHIBS]

Dunno if it was a Rocky move, or a coaching move, but after Boyle buried the penalty Bushiri ran up the East Stand touchline knocking the spare balls off their cones on to the pitch by a couple of yards.
Sh*thousery of the highest order, dunno if he was trying to delay the kick off or time waste in general.

Or what about the Rangers hat-trick scorer taking an age to return to his own half after scoring even stopping to pull up both socks only to get a smile from Brother Beaton booking all day long

*****ing hurry up already!

[sleeping giant]

Nothing boring about him at least🤣

[B.H.F.C]

I wish he’d attack the ball in the defensive third the way he did for his goal. Same with Miller.

Goal and assist were good. Defensively all over the place.

[Since452]

Bushiri is ****ing box office. Love the man.

[Mcbizz1998]

Took his goal well but nothing changes for me, a liability who needs dropped as soon as possible.

[jeffers]

I wish he’d attack the ball in the defensive third the way he did for his goal. Same with Miller.

Goal and assist were good. Defensively all over the place.

Another poster said all defenders make mistakes, I don’t disagree but he continues to make the same type of mistakes, particularly letting the ball bounce and getting himself into trouble because of it.

[BILLYHIBS]

Igamane is probably the best centre forward Rocky has played against the guy is quality has an unorthodox style protects the ball well and very hard to dispossess and is a deadly finisher the fact he scored a hat-trick says it all could not believe what I was seeing when Rocky allowed the ball to bounce twice giving him an opportunity each time

[Dashing Bob S]

Think of results before he came in and since he’s been back and tell me he’s not good enough. O’H and E were brought in to replace him. Do we bring them back, or do we get someone better than them to replace him?

I doubt we’ll get anyone better.

[blackpoolhibs]

Rocky is at fault for way too many goals to be called good.

It's that simple, he might be a cult figure, but my god just do the basics well and nobody would complain.

[Silky]

Or what about the Rangers hat-trick scorer taking an age to return to his own half after scoring even stopping to pull up both socks only to get a smile from Brother Beaton booking all day long

*****ing hurry up already!

Came back and bit him in the erse! Ran out of time to get a winner. Nae joy!

[The Modfather]

I’ve never known an enigma like him. A colossus and a bombscare at the same time.

As likeable as he is not renewing his contract (along with everyone ride out of contract) is the kind of hard nosed decision needed if we’re to ever be anything other than one of the scrum of woeful teams in this league as we have been for years.

[Since90+2]

Despite the obvious deficiencies in his game, one thing you can say about the guy is he has the heart of a lion.

[Libby Hibby]

I love Rocky.

5 minutes after the whole stadium was singing his name, every one of us were cursing him.

Plays with his heart on his sleeve. He gets us.

[easty]

If he didn’t have to defend he’d probably be my favourite player. Loving his attitude just now.

He’s just such a calamity centre half, it’s never going to change.

[easty]

I’ve never known an enigma like him. A colossus and a bombscare at the same time.

As likeable as he is not renewing his contract (along with everyone ride out of contract) is the kind of hard nosed decision needed if we’re to ever be anything other than one of the scrum of woeful teams in this league as we have been for years.

Not renewing his contract doesn’t even come close to being a difficult decision for me.

[Donegal Hibby]

Bushiri is ****ing box office. Love the man.

Same here and hope we keep him .. interesting I heard Gray mention how well he was playing and how in the game our shape wasn’t right , thought earlier on Rocky was left too exposed at the back at times and had to cover a lot of ground. Goal and a assist from the big man will do today 😃

[CapitalGreen]

Same here and hope we keep him .. interesting I heard Gray mention how well he was playing and how in the game our shape wasn’t right , thought earlier on Rocky was left too exposed at the back at times and had to cover a lot of ground. Goal and a assist from the big man will do today 😃

Oh would you look at that, it’s not Rocky’s fault again.

[1875Sean]

Same here and hope we keep him .. interesting I heard Gray mention how well he was playing and how in the game our shape wasn’t right , thought earlier on Rocky was left too exposed at the back at times and had to cover a lot of ground. Goal and a assist from the big man will do today 😃

What about thr times when the ball was lumped up straight at him and he didn’t deal with it or are you unable to give him any type of criticism?

[JohnM1875]

What about thr times when the ball was lumped up straight at him and he didn’t deal with it or are you unable to give him any type of criticism?

You're wasting your time on this one, man.

[Donegal Hibby]

Oh would you look at that, it’s not Rocky’s fault again.

Only quoting what David Gray said …:greengrin

[Donegal Hibby]

What about thr times when the ball was lumped up straight at him and he didn’t deal with it or are you unable to give him any type of criticism?

Yeah he did make mistakes .. no question about that . Also scored a goal and got an assist too :wink:

[B.H.F.C]

Only quoting what David Gray said …:greengrin

Should have done that the other day when he spoke about how stupid the concession of the penalty was.

[Aldo]

Same here and hope we keep him .. interesting I heard Gray mention how well he was playing and how in the game our shape wasn’t right , thought earlier on Rocky was left too exposed at the back at times and had to cover a lot of ground. Goal and a assist from the big man will do today [emoji2]

You really do court controversy at times.

Why can you not admit he made mistakes and like last week had a brain fart.

Why do you always have to say he was exposed or he was covering. Twice today, one eventually cost a goal, he allowed the ball to bounce instead of attacking it. Who exposed him right at the end? He again let the ball bounce.

Same for Shankheids goal last season. He let it bounce instead of going right through the ball and man.

Him being exposed when the ball was right down his throat??

[blackpoolhibs]

You really do court controversy at times.

Why can you not admit he made mistakes and like last week had a brain fart.

Why do you always have to say he was exposed or he was covering. Twice today, one eventually cost a goal, he allowed the ball to bounce instead of attacking it. Who exposed him right at the end? He again let the ball bounce.

Same for Shankheids goal last season. He let it bounce instead of going right through the ball and man.

Him being exposed when the ball was right down his throat??

You are wasting your time, the mental gymnastics this guy goes through to try and prove a point is hillarious.:faf:

[Aldo]

You are wasting your time, the mental gymnastics this guy goes through to try and prove a point is hillarious.:faf:

I know. I shouldn’t have bothered. We can all see it!

[Donegal Hibby]

You really do court controversy at times.

Why can you not admit he made mistakes and like last week had a brain fart.

Why do you always have to say he was exposed or he was covering. Twice today, one eventually cost a goal, he allowed the ball to bounce instead of attacking it. Who exposed him right at the end? He again let the ball bounce.

Same for Shankheids goal last season. He let it bounce instead of going right through the ball and man.

Him being exposed when the ball was right down his throat??

I’ve said quite a few times he has a mistake in him and that he made mistakes today as well as contributing in a good way as well .. don’t know what more some of you want me to say ..

Only quoted Gray on he said Rocky has been playing well and he changed our shape which I think was a problem as we were getting exposed at the back against the huns …

Good result and performance from our team today that showed a lot of character . Just don’t get why some have to be negative about it .

[Donegal Hibby]

All different forms of mental gymnastics on here the one that brings them up at other folk is the one that consistently has been wanting Derek McInnes as our manager….

How did they do today ? :faf:

[Since452]

All different forms of mental gymnastics on here the one that brings them up at other folk is the one that consistently has been wanting Derek McInnes as our manager….

How did they do today ? :faf:

Strange thread to post your opinion on McInnes. We know you don't rate him. A 1-0 defeat to Ross County doesn't change him being a good manager.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Should have done that the other day when he spoke about how stupid the concession of the penalty was.

:greengrin

[Aldo]

I’ve said quite a few times he has a mistake in him and that he made mistakes today as well as contributing in a good way as well .. don’t know what more some of you want me to say ..

Only quoted Gray on he said Rocky has been playing well and he changed our shape which I think was a problem as we were getting exposed at the back against the huns …

Good result and performance from our team today that showed a lot of character . Just don’t get why some have to be negative about it .

I believe in your post I quoted early on he was exposed and covering.

FWIW I really do think Rocky is a brilliant guy and character and tries 100% every single game. He cannot be faulted for that. I just wish he stopped having brain farts.

Anyway sadly mistakes cost us 3 points today.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i remember a younger Paul Hanlon making the mistake of letting the ball bounce and getting in trouble, maybe it will get coached out of Rocky as well

[JohnM1875]

i remember a younger Paul Hanlon making the mistake of letting the ball bounce and getting in trouble, maybe it will get coached out of Rocky as well

Rocky is 25 now though, not young.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Rocky is 25 now though, not young.

so he just needs telt to stop doing it then :greengrin

[jakedance]

I’d like to keep him but I hope we can sign better for his position. I think, other than his weird problem with letting the ball bounce, he’s pretty decent and I like his attitude. His goal and assist today were class.

[JohnM1875]

so he just needs telt to stop doing it then :greengrin

Haha aye, fingers crossed!

[Donegal Hibby]

I believe in your post I quoted early on he was exposed and covering.

FWIW I really do think Rocky is a brilliant guy and character and tries 100% every single game. He cannot be faulted for that. I just wish he stopped having brain farts.

Anyway sadly mistakes cost us 3 points today.

There was a couple of times I thought he was … in saying that Aldo I’m not saying he didn’t make mistakes today because he did , in the first 30 minutes I thought they got to much space when attacking and we didn’t have significant cover back at times which I took it was what Gray meant by our shape wasn’t right and he changed a few things…

Just about the game I didn’t expect anything from it today due to the injuries we had , their win against Celtic and I'm absolutely delighted with our result which to me feels like a win .. besides Rocky’s mistakes I thought he done well in setting up Boyle and scored a good goal which helped in getting a good point today …

Each to their own mate but I like Rocky and am happy with our result today even if an odd one on here isn’t ( not mean you btw ) 👍

[Tambo]

I think most on in the majority that Rocky is a decent guy who can play well at times but still prone to a mistake or two, a good few goals, has made up for it with a goal or two, did think his play for boyles assist was class but on the flip side the moment at the end could have cost us.

Don't want to start a new thread, any latest on big Marv? Was coming on as a player for us.

[Dashing Bob S]

Begs the question: who, on Hibs budget, would offer us more than Rocky? We can sign as many O’H’s and E’s as we like, and yes, people might feel marginally less nervous, but we’ll lose more goals and be less competitive.

[B.H.F.C]

Begs the question: who, on Hibs budget, would offer us more than Rocky? We can sign as many O’H’s and E’s as we like, and yes, people might feel marginally less nervous, but we’ll lose more goals and be less competitive.

Our upturn has certainly coincided with Rocky coming back in to the team but there hasn’t really been an improvement defensively. 17 lost in the 10 games he’s started. 18 in 12 in the games before. So defensively, we’re ever so slightly poorer.

Now I’m not saying Rocky hasn’t been part of our improvement, but the improvement has all been in an attacking sense.

We have to make room and attempt to improve the defensive side. Go in to next season with the same options and the same things will happen.

[WhileTheChief..]

We have to make room and attempt to improve the defensive side. Go in to next season with the same options and the same things will happen.

Yup, this season was always about getting through to the summer so that we can make the changes that are sorely needed.

Assuming we finish top 6, I think Gray will be safe. I'd be really surprised, and disappointed, if he didn't want to totally reshape the squad.

[CapitalGreen]

Begs the question: who, on Hibs budget, would offer us more than Rocky? We can sign as many O’H’s and E’s as we like, and yes, people might feel marginally less nervous, but we’ll lose more goals and be less competitive.

There are teams above us in the league operating with much smaller budgets who have centre backs better than Rocky.

In the past we have signed centre backs better than Rocky when our budget was considerably smaller. We had centre backs better than Rocky when playing in the 2nd tier.

[Speedy]

Think of results before he came in and since he’s been back and tell me he’s not good enough. O’H and E were brought in to replace him. Do we bring them back, or do we get someone better than them to replace him?

I doubt we’ll get anyone better.

Hanlon, McGregor, Jones, Hogg, Bamba, Ambrose.

Off the top of my head. All better than Rocky.

[Jones28]

Hanlon, McGregor, Jones, Hogg, Bamba, Ambrose.

Off the top of my head. All better than Rocky.

The only one of them that comes close to matching Rocky physically is McGregor, and Rocky is a better ball player.

[Northernhibee]

Up until recently I would have considered giving Rocky a new deal as he’d shown signs that his calamities were becoming few and far between.

Unfortunately they seem to have returned with a vengeance and it’s not a quality that a centre half can get away with.

I see lots of posts about “if he learns to…” or “if we can coach this out of him” but these posts have been made throughout his entire Hibs career.

He’s a great guy, and when he’s on form then he can perform at 9/10 or 10/10 levels for most of a game. It’s just unfortunate that he also has regular moments that land us in trouble that he’s just not reliable enough.

Not to say that I don’t thoroughly like him, we just need more consistent performers in defence to move up the table.

[CapitalGreen]

The only one of them that comes close to matching Rocky physically is McGregor, and Rocky is a better ball player.

Ability is more important than physicality as Rocky showed at Rangers first goal yesterday. You can be the strongest player on the league but if you can’t deal with a bouncing ball you’re going to have problems.

[Murphys Touch]

Begs the question: who, on Hibs budget, would offer us more than Rocky? We can sign as many O’H’s and E’s as we like, and yes, people might feel marginally less nervous, but we’ll lose more goals and be less competitive.
This is the same argument on the Boyle thread...."Who can offer us more than Boyle/Rocky" on our budget. We have a great budget for our league - it's mispent

We have been utterly crap for 3/4 years except a few weeks every year. Yet some want to reward this or just accept mid table garbage in a rank rotten league.

On another point above (Donegal's i think)..."Gray praised Rocky's performance". He's not going to publicly come out and say "Rocky is costing us goals weekly" is he? He needs him in the team just now.

I like the guy, he is Hibs' last 3/4 years personified really....signed by an admin mistake, sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe ****

If we (and some are happy with who we are) want to better then we need better than Rocky.

[Speedy]

The only one of them that comes close to matching Rocky physically is McGregor, and Rocky is a better ball player.

That's the problem with Rocky though. He has his strengths but his key strengths are physical. His natural football awareness isn't great, that's why he always has a daft mistake in him.

All of those mentioned are better centre halfs than Rocky imo. My main point being, it isn't beyond the realms of possibility that we can and should get a quality centre half in.

[Speedy]

Ability is more important than physicality as Rocky showed at Rangers first goal yesterday. You can be the strongest player on the league but if you can’t deal with a bouncing ball you’re going to have problems.

Exactly. Tyson Fury is stronger than Cannavaro but I know who I'd rather have in my 5 a side team.

[Murphys Touch]

That's the problem with Rocky though. He has his strengths but his key strengths are physical. His natural football awareness isn't great, that's why he always has a daft mistake in him.

All of those mentioned are better centre halfs than Rocky imo. My main point being, it isn't beyond the realms of possibility that we can and should get a quality centre half in.
This 100%

And on your next point....a lot of his errors are the same thing. Almost missing that first header or letting the ball bounce. All about positioning or knowing when to go for it. Costs us a lot with that!

[500miles]

The only one of them that comes close to matching Rocky physically is McGregor, and Rocky is a better ball player.

McGregor was also just breaking in to professional football at Rocky's age. Efe Ambrose was getting slated for Celtic. Bamba was getting called a bombscare for us. Rob Jones was line League 2 with Grimsby at 26.

Do these big powerful defenders just take extra maturation?

[Speedy]

McGregor was also just breaking in to professional football at Rocky's age. Efe Ambrose was getting slated for Celtic. Bamba was getting called a bombscare for us.

Do these big powerful defenders just take extra maturation?

Possibly. For what it is worth, I think he's a good squad player - great attitude and on his day he does a job.

But I do think our first choice centre backs should be better. If money allows it, I wouldn't be against keeping him in the squad as a backup until we've got a proven improvement or Rocky cuts out the mistakes.

[Murphys Touch]

Possibly. For what it is worth, I think he's a good squad player - great attitude and on his day he does a job.

But I do think our first choice centre backs should be better. If money allows it, I wouldn't be against keeping him in the squad as a backup until we've got a proven improvement or Rocky cuts out the mistakes.
A few of us were saying this at the game - the likes of Rocky, Campbell, Miller, C Cadden should be squad players. Somehow they are mainstays

I like him as a dude, decent player. Any "younger" player you get from a premiership team (think Rocky came when Norwich were EPL) will be on our top wages - see Kenneh - do we really want that for squad players

[Tyler Durden]

Like 99% of people commenting, I like Rocky, he's a great character and he's resilient.

But I'm a bit baffled that some people almost suggest being a good character and bringing a certain spirit to the team should take priority over his various footballing frailties. Have we ever signed someone before for these reasons?

I really hope he can finish the season on a high but we have to let him go in the summer. He should never have been signed after his loan spell.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Possibly. For what it is worth, I think he's a good squad player - great attitude and on his day he does a job.

But I do think our first choice centre backs should be better. If money allows it, I wouldn't be against keeping him in the squad as a backup until we've got a proven improvement or Rocky cuts out the mistakes.

The issue for me is that keeping him in the squad then means we’ll either be going with the same defence next season or we have to move on one of Iredale, Ekpiteta or O’Hora, all of whom are contracted. He’s not significantly better than any of them imo and we need to improve in that position, so letting Rocky go is the only logical choice for me. I certainly wouldn’t be re-signing him and going with the same 4 options and I certainly wouldn’t be paying one of the others off just to keep Rocky and still be left having to sign another.

[Speedy]

The issue for me is that keeping him in the squad then means we’ll either be going with the same defence next season or we have to move on one of Iredale, Ekpiteta or O’Hora, all of whom are contracted. He’s not significantly better than any of them imo and we need to improve in that position, so letting Rocky go is the only logical choice for me. I certainly wouldn’t be re-signing him and going with the same 4 options and I certainly wouldn’t be paying one of the others off just to keep Rocky and still be left having to sign another.

Not sure that's totally true. If we're playing 3 cb then we need 5 in the squad. At the moment, Miller has been playing there.

If Miller goes there's space for at least 1.

Of the players on expiring contracts, I'd be inclined to give Bushiri, Cadden, Boyle 1 year and try to replace them within that timeframe as well. But if the finances don't allow it and 'better' players become available now or in the Summer then so be it.

[J-C]

Rocky has all the attributes to be a really good CH but has the brain of a non leaguer every so often that costs us goals, at 25 he won't get any better, lovely guy who gives 100% but lower league1/league 2 level player.

[Donegal Hibby]

Posted this on another thread ….

https://www.nottheoldfirm.com/news/david-gray-singles-out-hibs-pair-including-surprise-leader/

[Murphys Touch]

Posted this on another thread ….

https://www.nottheoldfirm.com/news/david-gray-singles-out-hibs-pair-including-surprise-leader/
This is great. I could almost guarantee if I played for Hibs, I'd have a great attitude too!

[Hibees1973]

Bushri has been here for a couple of years now and continues to make the same errors. Always will, that's what he does.

We will have to put up and shut up.

He does have other qualities. The best compliment I can pay him is that he is the best central defender we have. Although, this is down to some highly dubious recruitment over a number of years.

[seanshow]

Ronaldo would have been proud of that chest down and feather touch to the side for Boyles goal and then a towering header for the equaliser !

Rocky for president :flag:

[RIP]

We have to remember that Rocky only took over the 'last man' defensive role from Marvin six and a half weeks ago when Ekpetita got injured.

His recovery pace then allowed Gray to push the back line up so we could press teams. This change of personnel and tactics has been instrumental in the transformation of our form.

Every game now, at key points such as a Hibs goal, Gray calls Bushiri over to the dugouts to receive fresh instructions. Rocky then imparts tactics to the defence.

On Sunday David Gray had two leaders on the pitch - Rocky and Martin. The high line and last man approach has served Hibs well over the past six weeks. It is a High Risk / High Reward strategy which might lead to us losing a match or two along the way.

But hats off to the inventiveness, courage and character of Gray and Bushiri for implementing these tactics. At times on Sunday every player bar Smith was in Ranjurs half and we had them by the throat.

Rocky is a born leader with the balls to step forward into that last man role. 2 brilliant goals and an assist at the other end more than puts him in a positive light for me.

Rock on, Rocky!!

[Alex Trager]

He’s got to go for me.

He’s been in the team for about 8 games and has cost us 4 goals.
Dundee 4th.
Hearts OG.
SJ pen.
Huns 1st.

He’s also let Shankland through on goal in the last minute with a slip and Igamame through on goal close to the end on Sunday.

[Centre Hawf]

The question when it comes to Rocky now is if you think he's improving overall and learning from mistakes. He'll have been here 3.5 years by the time this season ends, this has easily been his most prominent spell at a club, the only spell of senior football that comes close is his breakthrough which was only one season before moving to Norwich as an 18 year old.

At 26 next season you could very well argue that he's coming into the prime years for a centre half but he has to cut out a lot of the mistakes he repeats if he's to be judged as an 'improving defender''. It's fine having the odd moment every 4 months because that's the level we're at and we're going to sign players that have off days. But he made the same mistake on Sunday at the start of the game as he did at the end that nearly cost us a hard earned point. That's also just days after giving away a soft as ***** penalty against a 10 man bottom of the table team that quite honestly look like they could get relegated by March.

I personally don't think I'm in the position to want to offer him a new deal as it stands, but I can be swayed by some more steady consistency and general form pointing in the right direction. I think he has started to do that since coming back into the side overall but when mistakes like this weeks come up it's hard not to forget the previous 3 years that have come with him too.

I'd like to see him approach a "defend my box/goal at all costs" approach to anything that is in the air or when a ball has him turned facing back the way, just clear it then regroup, and about 90% of your errors will probably be eliminated.

[easty]

We have to remember that Rocky only took over the 'last man' defensive role from Marvin six and a half weeks ago when Ekpetita got injured.

What is this nonsense? He’s a centre half. He’s always been a centre half.

I’ve never even heard of “the last man defensive role”, I don’t think that’s even a thing. That’s just a defender being a defender.

[J-C]

It was mentioned that Gray had zero input into defence coaching and that he did set piece coaching. I wonder if Gray is having more of an influence over Rocky's game now he has full control over coaching.

[DickEDastardly]

We have to remember that Rocky only took over the 'last man' defensive role from Marvin six and a half weeks ago when Ekpetita got injured.

His recovery pace then allowed Gray to push the back line up so we could press teams. This change of personnel and tactics has been instrumental in the transformation of our form.

Every game now, at key points such as a Hibs goal, Gray calls Bushiri over to the dugouts to receive fresh instructions. Rocky then imparts tactics to the defence.

On Sunday David Gray had two leaders on the pitch - Rocky and Martin. The high line and last man approach has served Hibs well over the past six weeks. It is a High Risk / High Reward strategy which might lead to us losing a match or two along the way.

But hats off to the inventiveness, courage and character of Gray and Bushiri for implementing these tactics. At times on Sunday every player bar Smith was in Ranjurs half and we had them by the throat.

Rocky is a born leader with the balls to step forward into that last man role. 2 brilliant goals and an assist at the other end more than puts him in a positive light for me.

Rock on, Rocky!!

Agree with this summary. If he could just head it or boot it out when he’s one on one the risk/reward strategy would tip further in our favour.

Disappointed at the lack of pun-age on this thread - given how entertaining rocky is I would suggest future headlines could include:
Rocky horror picture show
Rock steady
Rock of ages
Rockin all over the world (after we qualify for Europe…)
Rock school (after a goal at one end of Tynie)

Apologies - I am looking forward to the hatred for another pun thread take-over!!


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[Kato]

We have to remember that Rocky only took over the 'last man' defensive role from Marvin six and a half weeks ago when Ekpetita got injured.

His recovery pace then allowed Gray to push the back line up so we could press teams. This change of personnel and tactics has been instrumental in the transformation of our form.

Every game now, at key points such as a Hibs goal, Gray calls Bushiri over to the dugouts to receive fresh instructions. Rocky then imparts tactics to the defence.

On Sunday David Gray had two leaders on the pitch - Rocky and Martin. The high line and last man approach has served Hibs well over the past six weeks. It is a High Risk / High Reward strategy which might lead to us losing a match or two along the way.

But hats off to the inventiveness, courage and character of Gray and Bushiri for implementing these tactics. At times on Sunday every player bar Smith was in Ranjurs half and we had them by the throat.

Rocky is a born leader with the balls to step forward into that last man role. 2 brilliant goals and an assist at the other end more than puts him in a positive light for me.

Rock on, Rocky!!Good post. Would point out Gayle never stopped speaking to those around him while putting in shift himself.

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[Eyrie]

Agree with this summary. If he could just head it or boot it out when he’s one on one the risk/reward strategy would tip further in our favour.

Disappointed at the lack of pun-age on this thread - given how entertaining rocky is I would suggest future headlines could include:
Rocky horror picture show
Rock steady
Rock of ages
Rockin all over the world (after we qualify for Europe…)
Rock school (after a goal at one end of Tynie)

Apologies - I am looking forward to the hatred for another pun thread take-over!!


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Let There Be Rocky.

[seanshow]

He’s got to go for me.

He’s been in the team for about 8 games and has cost us 4 goals.
Dundee 4th.
Hearts OG.
SJ pen.
Huns 1st.

He’s also let Shankland through on goal in the last minute with a slip and Igamame through on goal close to the end on Sunday.


The team got 8 points out of 12 games when he sat patiently on the bench, watchin us get rodgered.

18 points since they gave him a start and in less games.

I'm glad these are facts SDG bases his team on. :aok:


Long Live Rocky
.

[Hibrandenburg]

Sets up Boyle brilliantly for our first goal and then scores the equaliser against the Hun in a thrilling 3-3 game and then within minutes there's a thread on here questioning if his contract should be extended. I know it's not his first priority to score goals but I don't care if it's Boyle or our goalie banging them in as long as they're going in. We're a fickle bunch on here, get that pen to paper big man. :greengrin

[Mcbizz1998]

Sets up Boyle brilliantly for our first goal and then scores the equaliser against the Hun in a thrilling 3-3 game and then within minutes there's a thread on here questioning if his contract should be extended. I know it's not his first priority to score goals but I don't care if it's Boyle or our goalie banging them in as long as they're going in. We're a fickle bunch on here, get that pen to paper big man. :greengrin

Don’t think many have been fickle regarding Bushiri. Most of us have thought he is a poor centre half who shouldn’t be playing at this level for over 3 years - that remains the case despite a couple goals and an assist over the last few weeks.

[JimBHibees]

Don’t think many have been fickle regarding Bushiri. Most of us have thought he is a poor centre half who shouldn’t be playing at this level for over 3 years - that remains the case despite a couple goals and an assist over the last few weeks.

Yet has been a decent part of our change of form recently

[nickwhibs]

Yet has been a decent part of our change of form recently

Exactly. Nobody is saying he is flawless (no doubt at times his decision making can improve) but what he offers is pace, athleticism, enthusiasm and desire which is infectious on the rest of the team (and fans).

[JimBHibees]

Exactly. Nobody is saying he is flawless but what he offers is pace, athleticism, enthusiasm and desire which is infectious on. the rest of the team (and fans).

Totally agree a bit of passion effort and showing you actually care goes a long way.

[easty]

Sets up Boyle brilliantly for our first goal and then scores the equaliser against the Hun in a thrilling 3-3 game and then within minutes there's a thread on here questioning if his contract should be extended. I know it's not his first priority to score goals but I don't care if it's Boyle or our goalie banging them in as long as they're going in. We're a fickle bunch on here, get that pen to paper big man. :greengrin

The obvious response to that is that while the things you’ve described were great, it’s his defending that’s the issue. He’s in the team to defend, so assists and goals are brilliant, but they don’t balance out poor defending.

You wouldn’t want to keep Harry McKirdy in the team up front if he wasn’t scoring but he made a few goal line clearances saving us goals.

[JohnM1875]

Rocky feeling good at Hibs and expects contract talks to commence ‘soon’ - Hibs Observer.

Looks like he’ll be staying then

[Hibrandenburg]

The obvious response to that is that while the things you’ve described were great, it’s his defending that’s the issue. He’s in the team to defend, so assists and goals are brilliant, but they don’t balance out poor defending.

You wouldn’t want to keep Harry McKirdy in the team up front if he wasn’t scoring but he made a few goal line clearances saving us goals.

And yet his reintroduction to the team has coincided with a resurgence. Despite his weaknesses, we'd be a poorer team without him. If we can get someone better in, then we can start discussing his replacement, to do so before is mental.

[Vault Boy]

Rocky feeling good at Hibs and expects contract talks to commence ‘soon’ - Hibs Observer.

Looks like he’ll be staying then

Good stuff. Big part of our recent turnaround and more than good enough to be a competitive part of our squad.

[easty]

And yet his reintroduction to the team has coincided with a resurgence. Despite his weaknesses, we'd be a poorer team without him. If we can get someone better in, then we can start discussing his replacement, to do so before is mental.

Does the same apply to the goalie then? Bursik dropped out and we’ve been a lot better. Nae need to sign a new goalie or replace Rocky now?

[Cooshed Kid]

Our flawed but dynamic central defence colossus is one of the reasons our season has turned around and he's also one of the reasons fans will turn up to watch the club and hope they will have reason to sing "Oh, Rocky Bushiri". The lyrics aren't exactly Sondheim but how many of our current players have been given their own song by fans?

Much as I love the guy the only question which matters in practice is what does SDG think of him? I think the answer is pretty obvious at the moment. He's not just a starter, he's clearly regarded by SDG as a leader on the pitch despite those periodic forehead-slapping blunders. Whether he gets a new contract or not depends on both parties and whatever transpires in the transfer market. We shall see. I'm hoping it happens but that he also learns to reduce his propensity for error in defence. We have a player of great character playing for us. He may yet be trained to be a more than adequate defender.

[Since452]

Our flawed but dynamic central defence colossus is one of the reasons our season has turned around and he's also one of the reasons fans will turn up to watch the club and hope they will have reason to sing "Oh, Rocky Bushiri". The lyrics aren't exactly Sondheim but how many of our current players have been given their own song by fans?

Much as I love the guy the only question which matters in practice is what does SDG think of him? I think the answer is pretty obvious at the moment. He's not just a starter, he's clearly regarded by SDG as a leader on the pitch despite those periodic forehead-slapping blunders. Whether he gets a new contract or not depends on both parties and whatever transpires in the transfer market. We shall see. I'm hoping it happens but that he also learns to reduce his propensity for error in defence. We have a player of great character playing for us. He may yet be trained to be a more than adequate defender.

Good post and sums up my thoughts exactly. Been a long time since I've heard the fans sing a players name so enthusiastically.

[Donegal Hibby]

Delighted if he stays … good player that’s got character and spirit in spades ….

https://www.nottheoldfirm.com/news/hibs-defender-expects-new-contract-talks-as-he-touches-on-easter-road-future/

[Paulie Walnuts]

Does the same apply to the goalie then? Bursik dropped out and we’ve been a lot better. Nae need to sign a new goalie or replace Rocky now?

:agree:

The idea that the improvement in our form is mostly down to Rocky (yet our defensive record has got worse) since he came into the team is miles off it. Of course he can lay claim to being one part of that, but as you say, our improvement has also coincided with smith coming into the team, Boyle being excellent, Youan hitting form, Iredale also coming into the team at the same time as Rocky and doing well and Nicky Cadden coming into the team and being the best player in the league over the period we’ve kicked in. We’ve also completely changed shape.

If Rocky stays then there’s not a lot of spaces remaining in the squad for improving what has been a really poor defensive record over the last two seasons, a record that Rocky has been more of a part of than any of the other 3 contracted centre half’s. That’s a massive concern.

[Greenbeard]

Rocky has all the attributes to be a really good CH but has the brain of a non leaguer every so often that costs us goals, at 25 he won't get any better, lovely guy who gives 100% but lower league1/league 2 level player.
:rolleyes:
If Rocky was playing for the likes of Airdrie, Arbroath etc, he'd likely be playing a starring role, be lauded as far too good for that level, and a load of clubs, including Hibs, would be queuing up to sign him.

[easty]

:rolleyes:
If Rocky was playing for the likes of Airdrie, Arbroath etc, he'd likely be playing a starring role, be lauded as far too good for that level, and a load of clubs, including Hibs, would be queuing up to sign him.

I assume he meant English League 1 or 2. He's clearly too good a player to be in the Scottish lower leagues.

[hibsbollah]

:agree:

The idea that the improvement in our form is mostly down to Rocky (yet our defensive record has got worse) since he came into the team is miles off it. Of course he can lay claim to being one part of that, but as you say, our improvement has also coincided with smith coming into the team, Boyle being excellent, Youan hitting form, Iredale also coming into the team at the same time as Rocky and doing well and Nicky Cadden coming into the team and being the best player in the league over the period we’ve kicked in. We’ve also completely changed shape.

If Rocky stays then there’s not a lot of spaces remaining in the squad for improving what has been a really poor defensive record over the last two seasons, a record that Rocky has been more of a part of than any of the other 3 contracted centre half’s. That’s a massive concern.


I feel like this thread has been the same people either supporting or criticising the idea of a contract extension for him, and has become a bit repetitive.

I just wanted to summarise what has happened since he came back into the team. I've had a wee scroll through this thread and the match reports. Its been only 10 games since he came in. Lots of ups and downs, I think we'd all agree. I'll try to keep it as objective as possible.

9/11 St Mirren- L 2-1, came on at H/T replacing a struggling O'Hora, kept a clean sheet thereafter
23/11 Dundee L 4-1, part of a shocking defence after Obitas early dismissal and Bursik disaster but most of the criticism directed at other players. Still part of that defence of course!
26/11 Aberdeen 3-3, Goal, block, MOTM performance according to some on here.
30/11 Motherwell W3-0, Outstanding according to some on here.
7/12 Celtic L3-0, no particular negative comments, apart from obviously part of a defence that concedes 3 never good obvs.
14/12 Ross County W3-1, "Very good according to some on here.
21/12 Aberdeen W3-1, "very good game"
26/12 Hearts W2-1, Own goal, lot of debate if the deflection mitigated the criticism of him, two good blocks, further mistake leading to Shankland chance.
29/12 Killie W1-0, Good block "solid, new contract please"
2/1 St Johnstone D1-1 no comments either way i could see
5/1 Rangers D3-3, Goal, assist, 2 errors, 1 lead to goal. Got panned and lots of love for the goal as well.

So in those 10 and a half games, in FIVE and a half of them the consensus is he's done well, sometimes very well. Credit to easty and some others for recognising that on this thread at the time. In THREE of those games he's had no particular flowers or pitchforks aimed at him, an away point and two defeats. And in TWO of those games, Hearts and Rangers, which we got 4 points from, he's clearly made some bad mistakes, has been panned by some, and some folk have made some mitigation for those mistakes.

[Danderhall Hibs]

I feel like this thread has been the same people either supporting or criticising the idea of a contract extension for him, and has become a bit repetitive.

I just wanted to summarise what has happened since he came back into the team. I've had a wee scroll through this thread and the match reports. Its been only 10 games since he came in. Lots of ups and downs, I think we'd all agree. I'll try to keep it as objective as possible.

9/11 St Mirren- L 2-1, came on at H/T replacing a struggling O'Hora, kept a clean sheet thereafter
23/11 Dundee L 4-1, part of a shocking defence after Obitas early dismissal and Bursik disaster but most of the criticism directed at other players. Still part of that defence of course!
26/11 Aberdeen 3-3, Goal, block, MOTM performance according to some on here.
30/11 Motherwell W3-0, Outstanding according to some on here.
7/12 Celtic L3-0, no particular negative comments, apart from obviously part of a defence that concedes 3 never good obvs.
14/12 Ross County W3-1, "Very good according to some on here.
21/12 Aberdeen W3-1, "very good game"
26/12 Hearts W2-1, Own goal, lot of debate if the deflection mitigated the criticism of him, two good blocks, further mistake leading to Shankland chance.
29/12 Killie W1-0, Good block "solid, new contract please"
2/1 St Johnstone D1-1 no comments either way i could see
5/1 Rangers D3-3, Goal, assist, 2 errors, 1 lead to goal. Got panned and lots of love for the goal as well.

So in those 10 and a half games, in FIVE and a half of them the consensus is he's done well, sometimes very well. Credit to easty and some others for recognising that on this thread at the time. In THREE of those games he's had no particular flowers or pitchforks aimed at him, an away point and two defeats. And in TWO of those games, Hearts and Rangers, which we got 4 points from, he's clearly made some bad mistakes, has been panned by some, and some folk have made some mitigation for those mistakes.

Costs the 4th goal at Dundee on 23/11.

Gave the penalty away in the St Johnstone game.

Probably takes him to about 50/50 or just under. Is that what we need going forward?

[J-C]

I assume he meant English League 1 or 2. He's clearly too good a player to be in the Scottish lower leagues.

Yes, English 1 and 2

[hibsbollah]

Costs the 4th goal at Dundee on 23/11.

Gave the penalty away in the St Johnstone game.

Probably takes him to about 50/50 or just under. Is that what we need going forward?

5-2-3 not 5-3-2 then :-)

[Jones28]

I feel like this thread has been the same people either supporting or criticising the idea of a contract extension for him, and has become a bit repetitive.

I just wanted to summarise what has happened since he came back into the team. I've had a wee scroll through this thread and the match reports. Its been only 10 games since he came in. Lots of ups and downs, I think we'd all agree. I'll try to keep it as objective as possible.

9/11 St Mirren- L 2-1, came on at H/T replacing a struggling O'Hora, kept a clean sheet thereafter
23/11 Dundee L 4-1, part of a shocking defence after Obitas early dismissal and Bursik disaster but most of the criticism directed at other players. Still part of that defence of course!
26/11 Aberdeen 3-3, Goal, block, MOTM performance according to some on here.
30/11 Motherwell W3-0, Outstanding according to some on here.
7/12 Celtic L3-0, no particular negative comments, apart from obviously part of a defence that concedes 3 never good obvs.
14/12 Ross County W3-1, "Very good according to some on here.
21/12 Aberdeen W3-1, "very good game"
26/12 Hearts W2-1, Own goal, lot of debate if the deflection mitigated the criticism of him, two good blocks, further mistake leading to Shankland chance.
29/12 Killie W1-0, Good block "solid, new contract please"
2/1 St Johnstone D1-1 no comments either way i could see
5/1 Rangers D3-3, Goal, assist, 2 errors, 1 lead to goal. Got panned and lots of love for the goal as well.

So in those 10 and a half games, in FIVE and a half of them the consensus is he's done well, sometimes very well. Credit to easty and some others for recognising that on this thread at the time. In THREE of those games he's had no particular flowers or pitchforks aimed at him, an away point and two defeats. And in TWO of those games, Hearts and Rangers, which we got 4 points from, he's clearly made some bad mistakes, has been panned by some, and some folk have made some mitigation for those mistakes.

Got panned for the penalty against St's, I thought it was a very harsh decision and thought defensively he was very good, cool and calm and showed a real turn of pace more than once.

Can't disagree with the Rangers comments, couple of shockers though maybe feel he could have had a lot more help from his team mates for their first goal. Everyone looked like they were running through treacle getting back to help out. His wee knock down header at the second attempt should have been mopped up. Second error was a clanger right enough.

Hearts OG, I maybe give him an easier ride because we won the game but again I think it was unlucky.

Dundee game fair enough, it was a disaster of a performance and he gets caught on the ball.

All the other matches he was a machine, some of the blocks were spectacular.

He has been such a huge part of this decent run, I'm yet to see a compelling argument to suggest his part is being overplayed by people like me.

[Unseen work]

Costs the 4th goal at Dundee on 23/11.

Gave the penalty away in the St Johnstone game.

Probably takes him to about 50/50 or just under. Is that what we need going forward?

It is such a hard one imo, I watch him and 9/10 I think he’s playing really well

But yeah since coming back into the team it’s been

Tackled v Dundee which lead to a goal
Own goal v hearts
Concede penalty to st Johnstone

The ones vs rangers are different in that the first goal he doesn’t deal with the initial ball well at all, but somehow recovers it which allows us to get bodies back and the ball goes out wide. They then cross and score

Had rangers scored the 4th though after his mistake that would be another howler

[Greenbeard]

Yes, English 1 and 2
Even so, you'd see him at the likes of Cambridge Utd, Crewe Alexandra or Walsall rather than Hibs? Granted I have never watched a game at that level so I'll bow to your superior knowledge of the game dan saf.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I feel like this thread has been the same people either supporting or criticising the idea of a contract extension for him, and has become a bit repetitive.

I just wanted to summarise what has happened since he came back into the team. I've had a wee scroll through this thread and the match reports. Its been only 10 games since he came in. Lots of ups and downs, I think we'd all agree. I'll try to keep it as objective as possible.

9/11 St Mirren- L 2-1, came on at H/T replacing a struggling O'Hora, kept a clean sheet thereafter
23/11 Dundee L 4-1, part of a shocking defence after Obitas early dismissal and Bursik disaster but most of the criticism directed at other players. Still part of that defence of course!
26/11 Aberdeen 3-3, Goal, block, MOTM performance according to some on here.
30/11 Motherwell W3-0, Outstanding according to some on here.
7/12 Celtic L3-0, no particular negative comments, apart from obviously part of a defence that concedes 3 never good obvs.
14/12 Ross County W3-1, "Very good according to some on here.
21/12 Aberdeen W3-1, "very good game"
26/12 Hearts W2-1, Own goal, lot of debate if the deflection mitigated the criticism of him, two good blocks, further mistake leading to Shankland chance.
29/12 Killie W1-0, Good block "solid, new contract please"
2/1 St Johnstone D1-1 no comments either way i could see
5/1 Rangers D3-3, Goal, assist, 2 errors, 1 lead to goal. Got panned and lots of love for the goal as well.

So in those 10 and a half games, in FIVE and a half of them the consensus is he's done well, sometimes very well. Credit to easty and some others for recognising that on this thread at the time. In THREE of those games he's had no particular flowers or pitchforks aimed at him, an away point and two defeats. And in TWO of those games, Hearts and Rangers, which we got 4 points from, he's clearly made some bad mistakes, has been panned by some, and some folk have made some mitigation for those mistakes.

When you throw in the Dundee and St Johnstone game where he made mistakes that’s 4 mistakes that lead to goals in 10 games. 2 of the games without mistakes we still shipped 3 goals and there’s also been the mistakes that haven’t been punished, like the one against Rangers and him sprawling about on the floor at the end of the derby. That’s far too many mistakes for me. No succesfull team will ever be built with a centre half that makes goal costing mistakes in 40% of their games.

There’s also the fact we’ve watched him for 3 years. You don’t give out contract extensions to guys who have been here and generally been poor for 3 years because they’ve performed relatively well for 10 games whilst still making a huge amount of goal costing mistakes.

I don’t particularly rate Rocky, but more than anything I think he should really just be a victim of circumstances this summer. He’s the only one of a massively soft central defence that’s out of contract and imo they’re all much of a muchness. We absolutely need to improve that defence, so if there’s one you can get rid of for free, you take that opportunity. If it had been Rocky with another year and O’Hora out of contract, I’d likely think the sensible option would be getting rid of O’Hora.

[Ribs1875]

Our league position between those games speaks for itself. He's by no means perfect, hibs is probably his level and could still improve. I just would hate to lose a guy like that who offers leadership and dedication to bring in a complete dud replacement.

[Paulie Walnuts]

He has been such a huge part of this decent run, I'm yet to see a compelling argument to suggest his part is being overplayed by people like me.

Every player can lay claim to being a huge part of this run.

Has Rocky been a bigger part than player of the month for the whole league, Nicky Cadden? Has he played a bigger part than Jack Iredale who has come into the team at the same time as him and has just quietly went about his business making nowhere near as many costly mistakes? Has he played a bigger part than the change in formation which everyone was calling for before we started this run? Bigger part than Youan who’s come into form? Boyle who’s been playing excellently? Gayle who’s grabbed some important goals? Smith who’s been a massive upgrade on Bursik?

None of these guys are getting the sort of plaudits Rocky is getting where some seem determined to allude to the idea that he’s almost done this single handedly.

[CapitalGreen]

I feel like this thread has been the same people either supporting or criticising the idea of a contract extension for him, and has become a bit repetitive.

I just wanted to summarise what has happened since he came back into the team. I've had a wee scroll through this thread and the match reports. Its been only 10 games since he came in. Lots of ups and downs, I think we'd all agree. I'll try to keep it as objective as possible.

9/11 St Mirren- L 2-1, came on at H/T replacing a struggling O'Hora, kept a clean sheet thereafter
23/11 Dundee L 4-1, part of a shocking defence after Obitas early dismissal and Bursik disaster but most of the criticism directed at other players. Still part of that defence of course!
26/11 Aberdeen 3-3, Goal, block, MOTM performance according to some on here.
30/11 Motherwell W3-0, Outstanding according to some on here.
7/12 Celtic L3-0, no particular negative comments, apart from obviously part of a defence that concedes 3 never good obvs.
14/12 Ross County W3-1, "Very good according to some on here.
21/12 Aberdeen W3-1, "very good game"
26/12 Hearts W2-1, Own goal, lot of debate if the deflection mitigated the criticism of him, two good blocks, further mistake leading to Shankland chance.
29/12 Killie W1-0, Good block "solid, new contract please"
2/1 St Johnstone D1-1 no comments either way i could see
5/1 Rangers D3-3, Goal, assist, 2 errors, 1 lead to goal. Got panned and lots of love for the goal as well.

So in those 10 and a half games, in FIVE and a half of them the consensus is he's done well, sometimes very well. Credit to easty and some others for recognising that on this thread at the time. In THREE of those games he's had no particular flowers or pitchforks aimed at him, an away point and two defeats. And in TWO of those games, Hearts and Rangers, which we got 4 points from, he's clearly made some bad mistakes, has been panned by some, and some folk have made some mitigation for those mistakes.

He’s been here for 3 years, most people aren’t basing their opinion solely on a run of 10 games where he’s played relatively well despite still being culpable for a number of goals conceded.

[B.H.F.C]

He’s been here for 3 years, most people aren’t basing their opinion solely on a run of 10 games where he’s played relatively well despite still being culpable for a number of goals conceded.

Exactly. A lot of the talk with Rocky is about him just needing to cut out the mistakes. But three years in, he doesn’t look any closer to cutting out the mistakes.

We’re going to have limited space in that area of the pitch to make changes going in to next year. If we renew Rocky we’ll not be giving ourselves anywhere to go and will be looking at going in to next season with the same options. We can’t be doing that. Whatever the shape, whatever the personnel, we have been and still are poor defensively. Same applies to Miller for me.

[hibsbollah]

Every player can lay claim to being a huge part of this run.

Has Rocky been a bigger part than player of the month for the whole league, Nicky Cadden? Has he played a bigger part than Jack Iredale who has come into the team at the same time as him and has just quietly went about his business making nowhere near as many costly mistakes? Has he played a bigger part than the change in formation which everyone was calling for before we started this run? Bigger part than Youan who’s come into form? Boyle who’s been playing excellently? Gayle who’s grabbed some important goals? Smith who’s been a massive upgrade on Bursik?

None of these guys are getting the sort of plaudits Rocky is getting where some are determined to allude to the idea that he’s almost done this single handedly.

Where is anyone saying hes done anything ‘single handedly’? I think you’re just making that up.

The facts suggest he has had substantially more good games than bad ones and is part of a team thats on a relatively good run since he came back. Whether you think thats all down to other players is down to you of course.
You have made your point forcefully a number of times.

[Since90+2]

He's probably just about good enough for where we are now, floating about mid table. Is he good enough for a team who's aim should be to finish 3rd?

That's a no IMO.

[CapitalGreen]

Where is anyone saying hes done anything ‘single handedly’? I think you’re just making that up.


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Our league position between those games speaks for itself.

[Heisenberg]

He’s been here for three years now and the same mistakes are still happening. I wouldn’t risk another two/three year deal on him potentially improving and cutting out the errors. We need a change in this squad and he should be part of that for me along with the large majority of the other out of contract players.

[Ribs1875]

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I am also full of praise for guys like Iredale, Cadden, Youan. It's a team effort.