Obita

[Stokesy's on fire]

So many threads...stunned Obita is getting away with the idiotic red card he got. Disgraced the club tonight and should be emptied as soon as possible.

[JimBHibees]

So many threads...stunned Obita is getting away with the idiotic red card he got. Disgraced the club tonight and should be emptied as soon as possible.

Personally thought the red was harsh not high. Yellow would have been suffice.

[InvertedFullBak]

So many threads...stunned Obita is getting away with the idiotic red card he got. Disgraced the club tonight and should be emptied as soon as possible.


When it comes to disgracing the club he’s nowhere near the top of the list. A fair few ahead of him in that capacity.

[Exuberance1875]

He’s a disgrace

[Stokesy's on fire]

Personally thought the red was harsh not high. Yellow would have been suffice.

He has gone in high it's foolish.

[SeanWilson]

Personally thought the red was harsh not high. Yellow would have been suffice.

👍 totally agree. Poor first touch and high, it’s a yellow.

[Scorrie]

Rubbish first touch and then a stupid tackle.

[JimBHibees]

He has gone in high it's foolish.

Don’t think it was high slightly mistimed ankle contact. Personally thought it embarrassing Walsh sprinting over

[Stokesy's on fire]

Don’t think it was high slightly mistimed ankle contact

Did VAR even look at it?

[TrinityHFC]

He has gone in high it's foolish.

He wasn’t high at all. Unfortunately these tackles are now reds if you touch the player on the follow through.

[tamig]

👍 totally agree. Poor first touch and high, it’s a yellow.

It was a straight red. Guy was lucky not to end up with a broken ankle. Shocker of a tackle trying to make up for a poor touch.

[JJP]

Him and Youan started the game well and were causing problems for Dundee on that side. As soon as the red card came out we were absolutely hopeless. He might have a daft mistake in him but it’s not like we have lots of good players ready to come in for him.

[HarpOnHibee]

You can't plant your studs into an ankle like that. Not in modern football. It was yet another display of poor discipline from a player that should have known better.

[JimBHibees]

He’s a disgrace

Get tae utter nonsense

[Unseen work]

He never disgraced the club, he made a mistake.

I’ve no issues with things like that, it happens.

Stupid? Yeah, no more than though

Plenty things are a disgrace at the club at the moment but I don’t think that is one

[JimBHibees]

Did VAR even look at it?

Not sure think Walsh is queen bee and the others bow to him. Certainly the souttar non card save he immediately said no card and no one debated it. Was it altogether clear there was no contact on the ball? Not sure we seen all angles

[JimBHibees]

He never disgraced the club, he made a mistake.

I’ve no issues with things like that, it happens.

Stupid? Yeah, no more than though

Plenty things are a disgrace at the club at the moment but I don’t think that is one

Absolutely

[Pretty Boy]

Red card every day of the week.

Another individual error to add to the list that points to a collective pattern.

[JohnM1875]

Red card every day of the week.

Another individual error to add to the list that points to a collective pattern.

Yup, severely poorly coached team.

[Potty78]

Been one of our better players this season, yet killie and today he's let us down.

[Ozyhibby]

Red every day of the week. How many have we got this season now? We must be one of the worst offenders in the league? Gray has lost control.


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[Stokesy's on fire]

Gray has referred to the incident as a moment of madness in his Hibs tv interview.

[erin go bragh]

Personally thought the red was harsh not high. Yellow would have been suffice.

Thought the same tbf. Ref couldn't have got the red out any quicker and surprised ( well not) VAR didn't look at it as he clearly tried to get the ball but miss timed it.

[Hibstrooper]

Fine him 2 weeks wages

[HarpOnHibee]

Gray has referred to the incident as a moment of madness in his Hibs tv interview.

Was he referring to the sending off or his decision to take on the job?

[Broken Gnome]

Absolute car carbon of Newell at Tannadice. In possession, TERRIBLE touch, lunge in.

Cannot trust this team to hold it together for anywhere near 90 minutes.

[Hibs90]

He was indicating he went in with the side foot as he was walking off.

He should know better and has well and truly let everyone down today.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Not a red card? :faf:

No wonder people think there’s an anti Hibs conspiracy if they think the most clear cut red cards are harsh.

[wookie70]

It was a straight red. Guy was lucky not to end up with a broken ankle. Shocker of a tackle trying to make up for a poor touch.


I must have been lucky not to break many an ankle and not have mine broken many times when I played. There was hardly any force in that tackle and it is a few inches off the ground. Games are being ruined by red cards and the offences(not applicable to some teams) are pretty minor. If he had been racing in like Gogic was earlier in the day then fair enough but that was just a sore one and no more and if the player he hit had shin pads on he would hardly have felt it

[CMac1988]

Him and Youan started the game well and were causing problems for Dundee on that side. As soon as the red card came out we were absolutely hopeless. He might have a daft mistake in him but it’s not like we have lots of good players ready to come in for him.

Pretty much all our players have a daft mistake in them. Our players are ****ing god tier at getting punished for those mistakes and rotate on a weekly basis as to who's turn it is to play dumb **** for the day, having us question if they're a really a professional football player. We've actually upped our game as in recent weeks we now get two or three them a match. It's next level stuff.

[Baldy Foghorn]

He didn't need to make that tackle halfway up park, it was a brain fart

[followhibs]

Ive mentioned in another thread on loan players, Obita is far from our biggest problem however he plays with zero competition for his place, stupid penalties, poor back passes and now red card. All been very costly BUT he will still play. Another showing of our dreadful recruitment and unbalanced squad.
Oscar Macintyre is 19 and has 50+ professional games already a Hibs player lets have another option.

[Bridge hibs]

Ive mentioned in another thread on loan players, Obita is far from our biggest problem however he plays with zero competition for his place, stupid penalties, poor back passes and now red card. All been very costly BUT he will still play. Another showing of our dreadful recruitment and unbalanced squad.
Oscar Macintyre is 19 and has 50+ professional games already a Hibs player lets have another option.Unless Im misreading this thread then apologies, but Obita isnt a loan player.

[Paul1642]

Terrible tackle that was a justified straight red every time. The worst thing is that there was no need at all to make the tackle.

We will never know what would have happened in the rest of the game if he hadn’t but we had got of to a really good start and the game was ****ed from that moment.

[neil7908]

You know when folk talk about players trying to get managers sacked?

The number of red cards we've had and our complete capitulation whenever we're faced with the slight hint of adversity suggest strongly it's a team wide issue and not on one player, as daft as he may have been.

[truehibernian]

You know when folk talk about players trying to get managers sacked?

The number of red cards we've had and our complete capitulation whenever we're faced with the slight hint of adversity suggest strongly it's a team wide issue and not on one player, as daft as he may have been.

I dint think it’s that but you raise a good point though - I think it’s players being unprofessional and physically and mentally unfit. I said weeks ago, our team looks unfit physically and mentally, hence the capitulation in games. I just think they are a collection of players who don’t have physical or mental strength. Too many players are looking like they’re fading physically in the last 30 minutes of games too - which is astonishing given invariably we play at a low pace in games.

[TrinityHFC]

I dint think it’s that but you raise a good point though - I think it’s players being unprofessional and physically and mentally unfit. I said weeks ago, our team looks unfit physically and mentally, hence the capitulation in games. I just think they are a collection of players who don’t have physical or mental strength. Too many players are looking like they’re fading physically in the last 30 minutes of games too - which is astonishing given invariably we play at a low pace in games.

I don’t think it is fitness. These guys are analysed within an inch of their lives these days. Confidence plays a huge part in this. When things are going wrong it influences what people do in an increasingly negative way.

[Jones28]

I don’t physical fitness is an issue, it’s confidence. No one gets to this level of the game without being physically fit enough to play for 90 minutes.

St Mirren as an example, no one was questioning their physical fitness when we came close to a draw a couple of weeks ago.

It’s just symptomatic of a team bottom of the league. No confidence, mistakes plentiful, down to ten men after 20 odd minutes.

[hibeejeebies]

His desperate unnecessary lunge was the latest brainless decision in a season full of them.

Makes you despair.

[truehibernian]

I don’t think it is fitness. These guys are analysed within an inch of their lives these days. Confidence plays a huge part in this. When things are going wrong it influences what people do in an increasingly negative way.

You’re definitely not wrong about confidence and that tends to lift levels. However, Newell consistently cannot do 70 minutes without blowing, Myko the same, Triantis struggles late in games - Youan frustrates the life out of me because he’s a talent but decides when he wants to play then switches off. I do still think they’re unfit, and a good coach bleeds every ounce out of them. Gray sits in his dug out and doesn’t exude that energy you need to bleed it out of them. Mentally, they’re all shot the minute adversity is upon them. There’s no leaders on the pitch that organise and lead when these things happen.

[B.H.F.C]

I don’t physical fitness is an issue, it’s confidence. No one gets to this level of the game without being physically fit enough to play for 90 minutes.

St Mirren as an example, no one was questioning their physical fitness when we came close to a draw a couple of weeks ago.

It’s just symptomatic of a team bottom of the league. No confidence, mistakes plentiful, down to ten men after 20 odd minutes.

I think it’s both. They will all be extremely fit in comparison to the average person. But there is always various degrees of fitness between different teams. You need different types of fitness to play different styles and so on. They could all run a 5k in 20 minutes I’d bet, but that’s totally different to sprinting to block a cross multiple times in a few minutes (see our repeated inability to stop crosses). I think we just look slow and lethargic a lot of the time, part of that will be down to style as well.

[TrinityHFC]

His desperate unnecessary lunge was the latest brainless decision in a season full of them.

Makes you despair.

There’s been studies on this and after a reasonably recent discussion on this I’ve paid attention to how players are described.

Brainless is almost exclusively aimed at our black players. Bursic had another shocker tonight but I haven’t seen that term used. Although I might have missed it. I don’t think it is consciously deliberate but the frequency does back up the research.

[TrinityHFC]

I think it’s both. They will all be extremely fit in comparison to the average person. But there is always various degrees of fitness between different teams. You need different types of fitness to play different styles and so on. They could all run a 5k in 20 minutes I’d bet, but that’s totally different to sprinting to block a cross multiple times in a few minutes (see our repeated inability to stop crosses). I think we just look slow and lethargic a lot of the time, part of that will be down to style as well.

Time to get back to imagining being chased by a lion….

It is mental and LJ had a point.

[Jones28]

I think it’s both. They will all be extremely fit in comparison to the average person. But there is always various degrees of fitness between different teams. You need different types of fitness to play different styles and so on. They could all run a 5k in 20 minutes I’d bet, but that’s totally different to sprinting to block a cross multiple times in a few minutes (see our repeated inability to stop crosses). I think we just look slow and lethargic a lot of the time, part of that will be down to style as well.

The stopping crosses thing is the worst, but I don’t believe it’s down to fitness. It’s desire to stop the cross and Chris Cadden just doesn’t have it. Boyle didn’t last time against St Mirren despite matching the runner.

[HarpOnHibee]

There’s been studies on this and after a reasonably recent discussion on this I’ve paid attention to how players are described.

Brainless is almost exclusively aimed at our black players. Bursic had another shocker tonight but I haven’t seen that term used. Although I might have missed it. I don’t think it is consciously deliberate but the frequency does back up the research.

When they said "a season full of them". I believe they were referring to the team as a whole and not just Obita. There have been brainless moments all round.

[Albahibs]

Terrible tackle that was a justified straight red every time. The worst thing is that there was no need at all to make the tackle.

We will never know what would have happened in the rest of the game if he hadn’t but we had got of to a really good start and the game was ****ed from that moment.

I'm not 100 percent sure it warranted a straight red card. Other teams (and we all know who they are) get away with those sorts of mistimed challenges a lot of the time.

However, it was rash, and definitely changed the game. There was absolutely no need whatsoever to rashly dive in make the tackle. An early goal up, and in control of the game. Cannot believe he did what he did so needlessly.

Dundee aren't the greatest team, and I firmly believe we'd have got the much needed win if Obita had kept the head and stayed on his feet instead of going to ground when the ball had been lost.

I'm gutted to lose again to a Dundee side that was there for the taking.

[neil7908]

I don’t physical fitness is an issue, it’s confidence. No one gets to this level of the game without being physically fit enough to play for 90 minutes.

St Mirren as an example, no one was questioning their physical fitness when we came close to a draw a couple of weeks ago.

It’s just symptomatic of a team bottom of the league. No confidence, mistakes plentiful, down to ten men after 20 odd minutes.

A lack of confidence can explain poor performances and losing last minutes goals.

But the number of reds we've had is not a confidence issue. We don't play like 90s Wimbledon. The players are getting sent off at a rate that suggests much more than being low on confidence.

[Albahibs]

https://www.skysports.com/football/video/16481/13252652/kilmarnock-0-2-celtic-reo-hatates-tackle-on-liam-donnelly-analysed-on-ref-watch

Surely this was more of a red card than Obita's?

[JJP]

Miscontrolling the ball and then lunging in to make up for it is something the referees are keen to punish. Somehow two of our most experienced players have managed to do this in the last in the last few games. I’m just surprised that Newells was seen as a booking and Obitas was seen as a straight red. Newells was far worse in my opinion as he went in with a lot more force than Obita did.

[davym7062]

its a red all day long.. terrible first touch leads to it.. hate to say but lewwy not doing that but hibs hounded him out the club

[tamig]

I must have been lucky not to break many an ankle and not have mine broken many times when I played. There was hardly any force in that tackle and it is a few inches off the ground. Games are being ruined by red cards and the offences(not applicable to some teams) are pretty minor. If he had been racing in like Gogic was earlier in the day then fair enough but that was just a sore one and no more and if the player he hit had shin pads on he would hardly have felt it
Its not the 80s now though or whenever you played. The tackle was on his ankle and could have broken it if his foot had been planted. It doesn’t take much force to break a bone. It was a ridiculous challenge in this day and age. Players need to play to the rules. Not rules from back in the day.

[tamig]

Miscontrolling the ball and then lunging in to make up for it is something the referees are keen to punish. Somehow two of our most experienced players have managed to do this in the last in the last few games. I’m just surprised that Newells was seen as a booking and Obitas was seen as a straight red. Newells was far worse in my opinion as he went in with a lot more force than Obita did.

The VAR review panel said Newell’s should have been a straight red.

[Smartie]

Absolute car carbon of Newell at Tannadice. In possession, TERRIBLE touch, lunge in.

Cannot trust this team to hold it together for anywhere near 90 minutes.

That was my thought - uncannily like Newell’s red card in every way.

What’s with these heavy touches? These are professional players.

David Gray is taking pelters tonight but what does an experienced coach do to eradicate these heavy touches and subsequent red cards?

Obita has actually been decent for the past while but like all our other players - the mistakes leading to lost points are fairly mounting.

[tonyrougier123]

Let’s the team down, but the carnage after we go down to ten men was managed poorly. Teams can and do give a good account with ten. We folded so easily, and gifted the game. Coaches aren’t covering themselves in glory. There’s no leadership in the side or on the touchline pure and simple.

[Forza Fred]

It was a straight red. Guy was lucky not to end up with a broken ankle. Shocker of a tackle trying to make up for a poor touch.

That’s the way I saw it.

Not a malicious tackle, but definitely an incompetent one.

Thing was there was no need to dive in after losing control…..it was in a position on the field that posed no threat, and I really expect better decision making from a ‘professional’ player.

I called ‘that’s a red’ immediately.

10 years ago it might have got a yellow, but eff me, how many times have we talked about not giving the ref the opportunity to make a decision

Appears Obita has missed those lectures.

I really don’t know where we go from here.

[HarpOnHibee]

David Gray is taking pelters tonight but what does an experienced coach do to eradicate these heavy touches and subsequent red cards?

If I was David Gray, i'd get the players in the training ground and have them passing the ball back and forth, focusing on their touch each time they receive the pass. I'd also have them work on their dribble control, instructing them to try and keep the ball as close to their feet with each touch as possible while moving as quickly as possible. That seems like the obvious thing to have them do. But based on what I'm seeing on match day, there's no emphasis put on this during training.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

If I was David Gray, i'd get the players in the training ground and have them passing the ball back and forth, focusing on their touch each time they receive the pass. I'd also have them work on their dribble control, instructing them to try and keep the ball as close to their feet with each touch as possible while moving as quickly as possible. That seems like the obvious thing to have them do. But based on what I'm seeing on match day, there's no emphasis put on this during training.

I’d have most of them frozen out, train with the u12s or something and whoever’s left over can do suicide sprints for a week. ****ing losers.


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[Murphys Touch]

Can’t blame gray for all these individual errors

You can blame him for the complete lack of organisation, grit and players mentality dropping as soon as something crap happens. That’s his role to make sure the guys are drilled in certain formations, shape and tasks….and that they WANT to do it. East for us to think players should automatically want that but they don’t

Good managers get results when bad things happen- which is more often than not.

Grays treatment of the players (out in the cold and suddenly back in, weird subs, blames some players but keeps others on) doesn’t help

[Jones28]

A lack of confidence can explain poor performances and losing last minutes goals.

But the number of reds we've had is not a confidence issue. We don't play like 90s Wimbledon. The players are getting sent off at a rate that suggests much more than being low on confidence.

It tells me they’re making awful decisions on the pitch. It doesn’t reflect their fitness levels. Obita is, what, 30? He’s as fit as he will ever be. He took a bad touch and lunged in to a challenge.

It’s not fitness that’s the issue. Confidence is playing huge part, the pressure of the position we are in too. People under pressure make some poor decisions.

[eastmainsmsh]

Was a good player at Reading and last season but he was more forward at Reading and his other clubs but we have him at left back he gets caught out a lot time to find better

[Allant1981]

I actually don't mind obita, decent enough played at this level, it was a shockingly bad first touch which lead to him lunging in, every player on the planet will have done it at some point, but when you are playing crap as a team it's the last thing we needed and he will correctly get flak for it

[Heisenberg]

Second time this season he’s done us in by doing something idiotic. Four red cards in our last seven games is quite an achievement. Manager has no control over his team, saw the same at the end of Jack Ross too.

[JimBHibees]

It was a straight red. Guy was lucky not to end up with a broken ankle. Shocker of a tackle trying to make up for a poor touch.

Nowhere near a red imo tackle slightly mistimed no real power in it. Are we now saying every mistimed tackle is a red?

[Hiber-nation]

Nowhere near a red imo tackle slightly mistimed no real power in it. Are we now saying every mistimed tackle is a red?

Think you're on your own. What else can the ref give if a player goes over the ball in that way? Obita knew it right away.

[JimBHibees]

Red card every day of the week.

Another individual error to add to the list that points to a collective pattern.

Not for me mistimed it and caught the guy no real power or exaggerated follow through wasn't really out of control or high up on the guys leg. These things happen and yellow wood be suffice imo. Seemed harsh Walshs millisecond decision making was interesting.

[JimBHibees]

Think you're on your own. What else can the ref give if a player goes over the ball in that way? Obita knew it right away.

Possibly didn't think he went over the ball their player moved the ball just as contact was being made. Seemed way harsh especially when comparing to the yellows imo wrongly handed out for the Ndaba challenge on Miller earlier in the season and the McPherson one on Doyle Hayes couple of seasons ago lunge out of control over the ball caught full on the shin.

[JimBHibees]

I must have been lucky not to break many an ankle and not have mine broken many times when I played. There was hardly any force in that tackle and it is a few inches off the ground. Games are being ruined by red cards and the offences(not applicable to some teams) are pretty minor. If he had been racing in like Gogic was earlier in the day then fair enough but that was just a sore one and no more and if the player he hit had shin pads on he would hardly have felt it

Couldn't agree more. Didn't lunge wasn't out of control no real force or follow through contact was low.

[JimBHibees]

Terrible tackle that was a justified straight red every time. The worst thing is that there was no need at all to make the tackle.

We will never know what would have happened in the rest of the game if he hadn’t but we had got of to a really good start and the game was ****ed from that moment.

Thing is tackles like that aren't reds every time

[Bobby's Cinema]

I don't think it's dangerous or malicious. Careless lack of concentration. And it's cost us dearly again. One of our better performers on his day but proving himself to be another one that you can't rely on unfortunately. That was disastrous last night from him.

[Smartie]

Thing is tackles like that aren't reds every time

I agree.

They should be and I have no problem with the decision but the implementation of the rule in situations like this is certainly inconsistent.

[followhibs]

Unless Im misreading this thread then apologies, but Obita isnt a loan player.

Sorry if it doesn't read well, there is another thread on here regards our loan players that are doing well, I watched Macintyre play recently and he was terrific at left wing back, My point was Obita has zero competition for his place no matter how he plays. We already have Macintyre on our books so bring him back to Hibs and give him an opportunity he is already our player.

[Smartie]

Sorry if it doesn't read well, there is another thread on here regards our loan players that are doing well, I watched Macintyre play recently and he was terrific at left wing back, My point was Obita has zero competition for his place no matter how he plays. We already have Macintyre on our books so bring him back to Hibs and give him an opportunity he is already our player.

Is that strictly true though, given we (eventually) made subs to have Iredale playing that position?

Could be argued he’s not much competition but he is competition.

[Donegal Hibby]

I’ve watched teams in England , league 1 and 2 where the fullbacks defend for their lives , throwing their bodies in blocking crosses , marking their men well etc ….

What we have in Cadden and Obita are two fullbacks that simply can’t defend and are regularly caught out of position being up the other end of the pitch which makes it easier for other teams to get crosses in our box . Teams get far to many crosses in our box that they can place due to having the time and space to do so …

Besides being totally poor defensively both’s main strengths are going forward though what is it producing or contributing to the team ? I think Cadden has something like one assist and no goals while Obita has three assists and no goals . I think if you look over the last two seasons it’s not really a hell of a lot more either… is this really enough of a contribution when they are both leaving us exposed at the back and making so many mistakes? ….

Obita has been particularly bad for failing to do his job defensively over the last couple of seasons and incidents like giving away penalties against St Mirren , Killie , getting sent off against the huns and now Dundee just highlights the guys a liability more times than not unfortunately…


What I’d give for two no nonsense fullbacks that could actually defend ! .

[Smartie]

I’ve watched teams in England , league 1 and 2 where the fullbacks defend for their lives , throwing their bodies in blocking crosses , marking their men well etc ….

What we have in Cadden and Obita are two fullbacks that simply can’t defend and are regularly caught out of position being up the other end of the pitch which makes it easier for other teams to get crosses in our box . Teams get far to many crosses in our box that they can place due to having the time and space to do so …

Besides being totally poor defensively both’s main strengths are going forward though what is it producing or contributing to the team ? I think Cadden has something like one assist and no goals while Obita has three assists and no goals . I think if you look over the last two seasons it’s not really a hell of a lot more either… is this really enough of a contribution when they are both leaving us exposed at the back and making so many mistakes? ….

Obita has been particularly bad for failing to do his job defensively over the last couple of seasons and incidents like giving away a penalty against St Mirren , Killie , getting sent off against the huns and now Dundee just highlights the guys a liability more times than not unfortunately…


What I’d give for two no nonsense fullbacks that could actually defend ! .

Yeah, this was one of the big problems we had going into this season.

When you looked at the squad from the second half of last season, it was hard to make the case for keeping any of them.

We knew we needed to urgently address the GK and CB positions but we also probably needed to go with the fullbacks we had to avoid having to replace absolutely everybody.

That turned a blind eye to how suspect C.Cadden, Miller and Obita are defensively - and being suspect defensively really shouldn’t be tolerable in a full back.

None of these players are good enough for where we need to / want to be.

[followhibs]

Is that strictly true though, given we (eventually) made subs to have Iredale playing that position?

Could be argued he’s not much competition but he is competition.

Fair point but probably why we are where we are. The development of our young Scottish players is appalling, I would rather see more of our own been given a chance.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Fair point but probably why we are where we are. The development of our young Scottish players is appalling, I would rather see more of our own been given a chance.

I’d rather see that as well, but not with the young players we have currently. They’re not as good as the first team players we have.

[Smartie]

I’d rather see that as well, but not with the young players we have currently. They’re not as good as the first team players we have.

I’m not totally convinced they are all that much worse - I’d be amazed if Megwa or McIntyre were poorer defenders than Obita of C.Cadden.

What we DEFINITELY do lack are the handful of proper senior players with leadership characteristics to help drag youngsters through games.

The golden generation will have benefitted from having the likes of Gary Smith and Stephen Glass around.

Our senior players act like rookies with their errors and disappearing acts.

If we were in a safer position then gambling to find out might have merit. I don’t know if chucking the kids in here is the answer, although short of signing 10-15 players I don’t know what the answer is.

[Bridge hibs]

Sorry if it doesn't read well, there is another thread on here regards our loan players that are doing well, I watched Macintyre play recently and he was terrific at left wing back, My point was Obita has zero competition for his place no matter how he plays. We already have Macintyre on our books so bring him back to Hibs and give him an opportunity he is already our player.Ah I get you now mate thanks 👍

[Donegal Hibby]

I’m not totally convinced.

What we DEFINITELY do lack are the handful of proper senior players with leadership characteristics to help drag youngsters through games.

The golden generation will have benefitted from having the likes of Gary Smith and Stephen Glass around.

Our senior players act like rookies with their errors and disappearing acts.

Unfortunately this is truth .

If that was a 18 or 19 year old that did that last night you could make an excuse that he’s young and inexperienced though when it’s your senior players like Newell and Obita that’s doing it .

I don’t really think we can make excuses for them especially when it’s happening to often .. The leadership characteristics is severely lacking in the team which is something I think a team need more than ever in our position.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Unfortunately this is truth .

If that was a 18 or 19 year old that did that last night you could make an excuse that he’s young and inexperienced though when it’s your senior players like Newell and Obita that’s doing it .

I don’t really think we can make excuses for them especially when it’s happening to often .. The leadership characteristics is severely lacking in the team which is something I think a team need more than ever in our position.

There was shades of Newells sending off in the cup semi vs Hearts when Maloney was in charge about Obitas challenge last night, the guys going nowhere if you just stand your ground but for some reason decided to try make himself look like a hero with a sliding tackle. Immature is the word I’d use for it, no excuse when it’s experienced pros like Obita and Newell. For the record I like Obita, but that was really really poor to be getting sent off that early, in that situation last night.


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[EGL2000]

Been one of our better players this season, yet killie and today he's let us down.

Was going to say that, I think he's one of the only players who's been fairly consistent this season. But had 2 moments of madness

[Numptie]

Immediately thought it would be overturned, but as soon as I saw the VAR I knew he would be off. We would want an opposing player off for that tackle, when you look at VAR. at full speed it looks like a mistimed tackle. But worse, I knew we would ship goals with 10 men. No backs against the wall effort with this team.

[Donegal Hibby]

There was shades of Newells sending off in the cup semi vs Hearts when Maloney was in charge about Obitas challenge last night, the guys going nowhere if you just stand your ground but for some reason decided to try make himself look like a hero with a sliding tackle. Immature is the word I’d use for it, no excuse when it’s experienced pros like Obita and Newell. For the record I like Obita, but that was really really poor to be getting sent off that early, in that situation last night.


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Yeah there was shades of Newells sending off in the cup semi final and the one in the Dundee Utd game . There’s no need to lunge in as you say if he stands his ground the player is going nowhere.. gotta expect better from senior players like Newell and Obita in situations like this..

I’m not a Obita fan at all and thought tbh it was mind boggling he got our PotY .I could name numerous games were I thought we were left exposed on the left side over the last couple of seasons with him being unable to get back and I just don’t see his contribution in an attacking sense all that good to justify him bombing forward as often as he does …

The amount of mistakes he’s made is probably near enough up there with anyone else’s in the team IMO over the last couple of seasons too.

I’d love see us sign a couple of fullbacks in January that can actually defend 🤞

[hibstag]

Don’t think it was high slightly mistimed ankle contact. Personally thought it embarrassing Walsh sprinting over

Yep couldn’t get the card out quick enough