David - keep your dignity and walk - you've been thrown under a bus

[stalbanshibby]

Don't just keep "giving everything you have" - just leave, and let the ones that dealt you ***** cards sort it out

[hibbydog]

I would tend to agree

I feared for him when he was appointed. But he’s an ambitious positive hard working bloke who backed himself.

Really sad times to see it end up like this for one of my favourite ever Hibs players.

It’s Franck Sauzee all over again. Spoiling the legacy.

Shan Shan times

[Northernhibee]

An experienced manager would struggle badly with what we have right now.

[Hibs90]

He looks absolutely broken. But why would he walk?

Let's face it, his managerial career is probably screwed after this and getting another decent paying job is not going to happen.

[Heisenberg]

An experienced manager would struggle badly with what we have right now.

An experienced manager would have us on more than one win so far.

[Unseen work]

He’s not been thrown under a bus

He wanted the job and said if he never got it he’d have been looking at moving on and considering his options

[Centre Hawf]

If he walks or is sacked I hold no bad will towards David Gray, he's obviously not ready or good enough, but the club shafted him.

[Northernhibee]

An experienced manager would have us on more than one win so far.

Have you seen the players we have and the state of the club elsewhere?

[CapitalGreen]

An experienced manager would struggle badly with what we have right now.

Monty got significantly more out of most of this squad last season.

[cubehindthegoal]

I think SDG needs to find a club lower league and start up from there, build his experience as a manager, for his sake. What we need, and who at our club is capable of finding them … who knows.

[Billy McKirdy]

Just listened to his after match interview, he’s totally deluded if he believes he’s the man to take us forward, he was the wrong option at the wrong time and that is down to the board and nobody else, what we all feared has come true, his inexperience and lack of a proven track record has come back to haunt us.
A clear out from the top down required immediately and that includes David Gray.

[Northernhibee]

Monty got significantly more out of most of this squad last season.

And according to people on here he was awful and he’s since been snapped up by a club who put four past Man City today.

[Heisenberg]

Have you seen the players we have and the state of the club elsewhere?

No worse than most of the league. Difference is teams like St Mirren and Dundee are coached properly

[Northernhibee]

No worse than most of the league.

Fair enough, but I genuinely couldn’t disagree with you more.

[Heisenberg]

Fair enough, but I genuinely couldn’t disagree with you more.

St Johnstone are the perfect example. Utterly rotten under Levein, even we beat them, but a new manager coaching them properly has picked up a couple of results and instantly improved the way they play. Only position we are really dreadful in is the keeper imo.

[andrew_dundee]

I don't think he has been thrown under the bus. He's been given more money than most managers above us and has signed a whole team worth of players. He wasn't ready for the job, his judgement has been poor and he's clearly not going to solve the problem we are in.

He's a legend, but he needs to go and so do the people who appointed him.

[Mcbizz1998]

Agree. He’s been let down. Walk David.

[Glory Lurker]

Doesn't even dent his legacy for me. The man is our Moses.

Of course he'd want the job. It wasn't his fault that folk that were supposedly awash with investment cash and supposed to know better gave him it.

[The Tubs]

Making Newell his captain and not signing a personality that mirrors his own to do the job are the first of several obvious mistakes he's made.

[JimBHibees]

He looks absolutely broken. But why would he walk?

Let's face it, his managerial career is probably screwed after this and getting another decent paying job is not going to happen.

He definitely shouldn’t walk

[Alfred E Newman]

Monty got significantly more out of most of this squad last season.

The squad is worse.

[Glory Lurker]

He definitely shouldn’t walk

100%.

[CapitalGreen]

The squad is worse.

Marginally, it seems a lot worse because we have an awful manager. Monty got better performances out of the players in the current squad who were here last season.

[Callum_62]

No ill will to Davie Gray but he's been absolutely awful

About as worse and appointment as I can remember

He has to go but I don't hold any I'll will towards him at all

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[erin go bragh]

I don't think he has been thrown under the bus. He's been given more money than most managers above us and has signed a whole team worth of players. He wasn't ready for the job, his judgement has been poor and he's clearly not going to solve the problem we are in.

He's a legend, but he needs to go and so do the people who appointed him.
Its us ( supporters)thats been thrown under the bus. Gray should never have said he was ready for the job.

One win in 13 league games is absolutely horrific.
Edit. Get a manager in now as Hearts have changed theirs and still are 2nd bottom with a game played more unbelievably.

[TrinityHFC]

And according to people on here he was awful and he’s since been snapped up by a club who put four past Man City today.

He was awful. Did he manage the club that won today?

[CapitalGreen]

He was awful. Did he manage the club that won today?

The players were a bigger issue than the manager. Sacking the manager and essentially backing the players after they downed tools against Aberdeen should have been a warning to people.

[Pretty Boy]

He hasn't been thrown under a bus. He applied for a job and got it.

He is further collateral damage in the continued war of incompetence being waged by those running the club though. Whether he applied or not is irrelevant. No on with a semblance of a football brain would have given him the job. Barely a single fan, fans being notoriously sentimental, thought he was the right man yet those paid a fortune to run the club thought he was.

Another bizarre decision to add to the list.

[Crammond Hibee]

Its us ( supporters)thats been thrown under the bus. Gray should never have said he was ready for the job.

One win in 13 league games is absolutely horrific.

👍🏻

[Jim44]

I want Gray away but I don’t want Gordon to get away Scot free, financially. The yank should admit their mistake and give him a generous golden handshake. While I would love it, I don’t think Gordon will sell up shop. We’re probably lumbered with him for the foreseeable future with meagre pickings, probable relegation and little likelihood of bouncing back quickly.

[Northernhibee]

He was awful. Did he manage the club that won today?

A manager who knows what success looks like in this league snapped him up to a club who not so long ago were in a Champions League final. That doesn’t happen if you’re awful.

We’re a graveyard for managerial careers.

[CapitalGreen]

He hasn't been thrown under a bus. He applied for a job and got it.

He is further collateral damage in the continued war of incompetence being waged by those running the club though. Whether he applied or not is irrelevant. No on with a semblance of a football brain would have given him the job. Barely a single fan, fans being notoriously sentimental, thought he was the right man yet those paid a fortune to run the club thought he was.

Another bizarre decision to add to the list.

I don’t think that’s true, plenty on here certainly did. He was near the top if not top of polls for next manager.

[TrinityHFC]

A manager who knows what success looks like in this league snapped him up to a club who not so long ago were in a Champions League final. That doesn’t happen if you’re awful.

We’re a graveyard for managerial careers.

He employed him as a coach.

Whatever is happening now doesn’t change the fact he was a terrible manager with us.

[Ozyhibby]

Let’s not kid on that dignity can be saved here. It’s gone. He is embarrassing himself every day he remains.


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[Northernhibee]

He employed him as a coach.

Whatever is happening now doesn’t change the fact he was a terrible manager with us.

Fair enough if you think that, I think he was another victim of the mess we are now.

[Pretty Boy]

I don’t think that’s true, plenty on here certainly did. He was near the top if not top of polls for next manager.

I'm surprised by that. Not that I'm doubting you because it's obviously on record.

No one I knew wanted him as gaffer even if some tried to rally behind the idiotic decision when the soft launch started weeks in advance of the appointment or again after it was all made official.

[B.H.F.C]

I'm surprised by that. Not that I'm doubting you because it's obviously on record.

No one I knew wanted him as gaffer even if some tried to rally behind the idiotic decision when the soft launch started weeks in advance of the appointment or again after it was all made official.

I think it was inevitable he was going to get it very early on. Folk then started convincing themselves that he could maybe do a job because of who he was but everyone knew deep down it wasn’t a good idea.

[Onion]

He will not walk, nor should he. He's been stitched up like a kipper by this truly awful excuse of an "owner", CEO and Board of Directors. Anyone and almost everyone could tell from day 1 that this was not the right appointment, and many said so. in fact, SDG was the very opposite of what Hibs FC needed. Yet these incompetent clowns somehow managed to collectively **** it up again - costing the club hundreds of thousands of pounds and risking our place in the top division.

Who on God's Earth would trust them to pick the next manager. Foley MUST step in and STOP Ian Gordon and Ben Kensell. This circus has gone far too far, for far too long.

David Gray HAS to go now. He should have been sacked weeks ago after his 4th or 5th "must win" game. He'll always be a Hibs Hero. The Owner and Executives are a Hibs Horror Show.

[Unseen work]

He will not walk, nor should he. He's been stitched up like a kipper by this truly awful excuse of an "owner", CEO and Board of Directors. Anyone and almost everyone could tell from day 1 that this was not the right appointment, and many said so. in fact, SDG was the very opposite of what Hibs FC needed. Yet these incompetent clowns somehow managed to collectively **** it up again - costing the club hundreds of thousands of pounds and risking our place in the top division.

Who on God's Earth would trust them to pick the next manager. Foley MUST step in and STOP Ian Gordon and Ben Kensell. This circus has gone far too far, for far too long.

David Gray HAS to go now. He should have been sacked weeks ago after his 4th or 5th "must win" game. He'll always be a Hibs Hero. The Owner and Executives are a Hibs Horror Show.

He has not been stitched up.

Hes been at the club for 10 years and knows everything there is to know about it.

He wanted the job, he said if he never got it he’d would have had to think about leaving to get an opportunity elsewhere.

The main reason he got the job was the Hibs connection, knowing the players inside out etc etc.

There have been absolutely no surprises for him.

His tactics are poor/non existent, his subs and squad selections baffling and win record absolutely embarassing.

Players have made mistakes, as with every club. He continues to pick the same players, in the same formation every single week expecting something to change.

Today for example, when Obita got sent off I instantly thought he had to make a sub. Gray then waits until we’re 2-1 down to make two defensive subs?

[Iain G]

He has not been stitched up.

Hes been at the club for 10 years and knows everything there is to know about it.

He wanted the job, he said if he never got it he’d would have had to think about leaving to get an opportunity elsewhere.

The main reason he got the job was the Hibs connection, knowing the players inside out etc etc.

There have been absolutely no surprises for him.

His tactics are poor/non existent, his subs and squad selections baffling and win record absolutely embarassing.

Players have made mistakes, as with every club. He continues to pick the same players, in the same formation every single week expecting something to change.

Today for example, when Obita got sent off I instantly thought he had to make a sub. Gray then waits until we’re 2-1 down to make two defensive subs?

How he has watched Josh Campbell for the past umpteen years and still play him is one of the great mysteries of the world!

And he needs to react quickly to situations changing which just isn't happening

Sad to say he has been the wrong appointment

[Glory Lurker]

David Gray has done more for Hibs than anyone alive today.

It's not working out. It's up to the club to give him a suitably dignified exit.

[AlbertK86]

Marginally, it seems a lot worse because we have an awful manager. Monty got better performances out of the players in the current squad who were here last season.

He ha Myzaine and Youan scoring goals.

We have no out and out goal scorers now as Youans heart ain’t in it


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[sambajustice]

Gray is an absolute loser and needs punted ASAP.

Along with the hierarchy btw. But Gray especially has to be the first out.

[McD]

David Gray has done more for Hibs than anyone alive today.

It's not working out. It's up to the club to give him a suitably dignified exit.



Sir Tom Farmer would like a word

[Pretty Boy]

Sir Tom Farmer would like a word

Correct.

[Northernhibee]

Gray is an absolute loser and needs punted ASAP.

Along with the hierarchy btw. But Gray especially has to be the first out.

Deary ****ing me. Time for bed I suggest.

[Coco Bryce]

Sir Tom Farmer would like a word

Yip.

[CapitalGreen]

He ha Myzaine and Youan scoring goals.

We have no out and out goal scorers now as Youans heart ain’t in it


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We scored more goals per game under Monty before Maolida arrived than after he started playing.

It’s the managers job to get players to put their heart into it. Aberdeen had a number of players who looked like their heart wasn’t in it last season who now have them clear in 2nd.

[Glory Lurker]

Point taken about STF.

[calamitus]

Gray is an absolute loser and needs punted ASAP.

Along with the hierarchy btw. But Gray especially has to be the first out.

I almost never comment on here, being more of a lurker. You literally made me wonder if the word "bellend" is in the swear filter.

[green day]

Sir Tom Farmer would like a word

I wish Tom had used the word "No" when Ron Gordon approached him to buy Hibs.

[sambajustice]

I almost never comment on here, being more of a lurker. You literally made me wonder if the word "bellend" is in the swear filter.

Gray has no loyalty to Hibs, so why should we have loyalty to him? He's a gun for hire like every other employee. He's clearly not up to the job and should never have been given it. So what he scored a tap in in a cup final? He's not fit for purpose now, get him out along with the rest of them

[HarpOnHibee]

I wish Tom had used the word "No" when Ron Gordon approached him to buy Hibs.

Indeed. The Gordons were his choice and he vouched for them when handing over the deeds. Hibs are no longer his problem.

[ionahibby]

Gray has no loyalty to Hibs, so why should we have loyalty to him? He's a gun for hire like every other employee. He's clearly not up to the job and should never have been given it. So what he scored a tap in in a cup final? He's not fit for purpose now, get him out along with the rest of them

A tap?? Did you even watch the final??

[Greenio]

Gray has no loyalty to Hibs, so why should we have loyalty to him? He's a gun for hire like every other employee. He's clearly not up to the job and should never have been given it. So what he scored a tap in in a cup final? He's not fit for purpose now, get him out along with the rest of them

😂

[NAE NOOKIE]

Indeed. The Gordons were his choice and he vouched for them when handing over the deeds. Hibs are no longer his problem.

Indeed. 90% or more of individuals or groups who buy football clubs have no experience of running the football side of a club. All STF could ask any prospective owner is 'do you intend to invest in the club' and 'guarantee me you won't sell the ground for housing development' .... That's all he could ask.

The Gordon's have both invested and improved the corporate side of the club. Where they have utterly failed is in turning that investment and ability to attract sponsors etc into a decent team on the park. I doubt any fan on the day they took over if told they would spend as much money on the team as they have in the period between then and now would have guessed that significant sum would see us rock bottom of the league on 23/11/2024.

This is a shambles ..... STF might have vouched for the Gordon's .... but the mess they have made of us on the pitch has literally nothing to do with STF.

[Is It On....]

An experienced manager would struggle badly with what we have right now.

We were struggling last season before Maolida signed and his goals were, as we all know, critical in the second half of the season. The other main difference in the playing squad is is that goalkeeper is actually worse and his backup,also signed in the close season, has barely played in 5 years.

Our new Head of Recruitment analysis can't start soon enough and we have to pray that he gets alot more right than wrong in January.

[The Harp Awakes]

He hasn't been thrown under a bus. He applied for a job and got it.

He is further collateral damage in the continued war of incompetence being waged by those running the club though. Whether he applied or not is irrelevant. No on with a semblance of a football brain would have given him the job. Barely a single fan, fans being notoriously sentimental, thought he was the right man yet those paid a fortune to run the club thought he was.

Another bizarre decision to add to the list.

Sums the situation up perfectly. A ridiculous appointment of a rookie manager at a time we needed it least. Abject and repeated failure in recruiting managers, players and football staff.

If Ian Gordon had any morsel of love for the club he would step back from all operational activity and sack the entire football department.

[He's here!]

Gray has no loyalty to Hibs, so why should we have loyalty to him? He's a gun for hire like every other employee. He's clearly not up to the job and should never have been given it. So what he scored a tap in in a cup final? He's not fit for purpose now, get him out along with the rest of them

Yeh so what? Only the biggest moment in the history of the club, but otherwise entirely forgettable.

And it was glorious, utterly emphatic bullet header not a tap-in, which if you actually supported Hibs you'd know all about.

[Stanton Spence]

I don’t get this thrown under the bus comes from he’s been backed as much as any other manager over the past few years and nobody has ever said any of them were thrown under the bus and probably down to the status gray has at the club
He’s just not got what it takes to manage no matter how much he gets backed

[HoboHarry]

Gray has no loyalty to Hibs, so why should we have loyalty to him? He's a gun for hire like every other employee. He's clearly not up to the job and should never have been given it. So what he scored a tap in in a cup final? He's not fit for purpose now, get him out along with the rest of them

You're either drunk or a daftie. Tap in my erse.

[mcfly]

An experienced manager would struggle badly with what we have right now.

An experienced manager would have a say in the signings.

An experienced manager would not play that goalie week in week out when he makes mistake after mistake

An experienced manager woukd not play youan, Newall, Boyle. Campbell,
Who are contributing nothing.

yes Dave gray scored the winning goal in the cup final but he has won once in the league. He has to go along with Mackey and , Kensell

[Allant1981]

Gray has no loyalty to Hibs, so why should we have loyalty to him? He's a gun for hire like every other employee. He's clearly not up to the job and should never have been given it. So what he scored a tap in in a cup final? He's not fit for purpose now, get him out along with the rest of them

How to make yourself look like a t**t in one post

[eastmainsmsh]

100 percent and who wouldn’t want to take the job on Unfortunately it’s down to Ian Gordon recruiting absolute duffs and Managers that have come and gone before Gray couldn’t do anything with them I think Mackay is responsible for O Hora Ekpiteta Bursik and co It’s a shame

[Iain G]

100 percent and who wouldn’t want to take the job on Unfortunately it’s down to Ian Gordon recruiting absolute duffs and Managers that have come and gone before Gray couldn’t do anything with them I think Mackay is responsible for O Hora Ekpiteta Bursik and co It’s a shame

Not convinced the David Gray is blameless narrative is any was true.

[Waxy]

No idea the best thing to do here is.
First thing though is massively improve our discipline on field.
We are where we are through stupid red cards.

[JohnM1875]

No idea the best thing to do here is.
First thing though is massively improve our discipline on field.
We are where we are through stupid red cards.

Four red cards in 13 games is absolutely wild.

[joe breezy]

No - wait till you get sacked and take the payments.

Football is a business and you deserve your sacking compensation.

Hibs' own fault.

[Since452]

And according to people on here he was awful and he’s since been snapped up by a club who put four past Man City today.

He was awful. Imagine he didn't have Maolida. Gray is the latest in a long line of sub standard managers and it's killing us.

[CapitalGreen]

He was awful. Imagine he didn't have Maolida

We scored more Goals under Monty when Maolida didn’t play than when he did play. He got significantly more out of some of this squad than SDG is getting.

[Coco Bryce]

Gray has no loyalty to Hibs, so why should we have loyalty to him? He's a gun for hire like every other employee. He's clearly not up to the job and should never have been given it. So what he scored a tap in in a cup final? He's not fit for purpose now, get him out along with the rest of them

Mate 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[Paulie Walnuts]

A manager who knows what success looks like in this league snapped him up to a club who not so long ago were in a Champions League final. That doesn’t happen if you’re awful.

We’re a graveyard for managerial careers.

Ian Cathro was assistant manager at Spurs, so a more senior position in the backroom staff hierarchy. He was also a dreadful manager.

[Since452]

We scored more Goals under Monty when Maolida didn’t play than when he did play. He got significantly more out of some of this squad than SDG is getting.

Don't disagree but Montgomery was still terrible

[NC1875]

He was awful. Imagine he didn't have Maolida. Gray is the latest in a long line of sub standard managers and it's killing us.

We wouldn’t be bottom of the league if Monty was still here. I’d pretty much guarantee that.

Gray is clueless, can’t organise or set up a team, weird team selections, subs.

He’s not improved one player, not one.

How he’s still here I do not know.

[WhileTheChief..]

And according to people on here he was awful and he’s since been snapped up by a club who put four past Man City today.

He was awful though!

He did nothing to improve us from LJs time and contributed to the mess we're now in. As did Maloney.

They're all to blame.

Ross's squad that got us into Europe was fine. It just needed a couple of quality additions. Successive managers ripped that squad apart, filling it with absolute nobodies that should never have been anywhere near us.

Out of the 80+ signings we've made since Maloney's time, I'm struggling to think of who we class as an improvement on who we had before. Can't think of 1 right now!!

[NC1875]

He was awful though!

He did nothing to improve us from LJs time and contributed to the mess we're now in. As did Maloney.

They're all to blame.

Ross's squad that got us into Europe was fine. It just needed a couple of quality additions. Successive managers ripped that squad apart, filling it with absolute nobodies that should never have been anywhere near us.

Out of the 80+ signings we've made since Maloney's time, I'm struggling to think of who we class as an improvement on who we had before. Can't think of 1 right now!!

Not only the players. Every manager we’ve appointed has somehow managed to be worse than the one they replaced.

[IanM]

I absolutely love the man

[B.H.F.C]

He’ll still be in the dugout on Tuesday. This is going to rumble on until we’re cut adrift at the bottom.

[Greenbeard]

Gray is an absolute loser and needs punted ASAP.

Along with the hierarchy btw. But Gray especially has to be the first out.
Horrendous. And just to be clear that is aimed at your comment not SDG.

[easty]

Still love SDG but **** me it’s got to end soon.

I think he’ll be gone after the Aberdeen game.

[Greenbeard]

There's plenty players not doing their job who should walk before SDG.

[Heisenberg]

He’ll still be in the dugout on Tuesday. This is going to rumble on until we’re cut adrift at the bottom.

Certainly looks that way. Said it last night but it’s really mental that they decided to stick with the same management team after St Mirren. There have been absolutely no signs of life, a single win against a shocking Craig Levein team aside.

[OtleyHibs]

There's plenty players not doing their job who should walk before SDG.

Who keeps selecting those players who don't do their job?

[lucky]

Gray is out of his depth and should never have been given the job. He will always be a hero for the winner in 2016. But football does not stand still, if Man Utd can cut ties with Fergie surely Hibs have the bottle to cut him loose. We need an experienced manager with a good knowledge of Scottish football. He hasn't been thrown under any bus he wanted the gig but isn't up to the the task along with Liam Craig and the embarrassing baffoon Samson who does all the shouting and instruction from the touchline.

[BSEJVT]

There's a fair bit of revisionist history on this thread.

As a player for Hibs Gray deserves all the credit he gets and not just for that Cup Final Winner.

As a manager he is an unmitigated disaster without one redeeming feature.

The two are not mutually exclusive.

It is far too simple to put all the blame on the total shambles the rest of the club excluding revenue generation has become, but the manager of the days job is to create a system and get the most out of the utter dross at his disposal.

I don't think anyone can argue he has come remotely close to doing that.

We are rudderless, gutless and his decision to marginalise some of the players before inexplicably dropping them back in out the blue expecting them to do a job is stupid beyond belief.

I personally don't believe we have in my lifetime had a manager more unsuited to the role than Gray and his coaching team of failed stooges.

If we had even half decent players the situation wouldn't have been so awful, but I honestly cant remember a squad so unsuited to the task in front of them, regardless of whether some have much more ability than some of their predecessors.

There is literally not one player in that team I would keep ( far too early to say on Bowie)

If ability alone won matches we would have a prayer, sadly character more than ability in the SPL is the deciding factor and as a club we are totally lacking in that from top to bottom.

We need to stop recruiting at any level ex Hibs men and recruit folk capable of the job expected and pay them appropriately.

We know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

[Northernhibee]

He was awful though!

He did nothing to improve us from LJs time and contributed to the mess we're now in. As did Maloney.

They're all to blame.

Ross's squad that got us into Europe was fine. It just needed a couple of quality additions. Successive managers ripped that squad apart, filling it with absolute nobodies that should never have been anywhere near us.

Out of the 80+ signings we've made since Maloney's time, I'm struggling to think of who we class as an improvement on who we had before. Can't think of 1 right now!!

You’ve walked slap bang into the point in the last paragraph.

Whilst we’ve got the people in positions of power at the club that we do, the conveyer belt of dross will continue. Sacking the manager hasn’t been sorting it as the manager isn’t the main problem at the club.

[JohnM1875]

He was awful though!

He did nothing to improve us from LJs time and contributed to the mess we're now in. As did Maloney.

They're all to blame.

Ross's squad that got us into Europe was fine. It just needed a couple of quality additions. Successive managers ripped that squad apart, filling it with absolute nobodies that should never have been anywhere near us.

Out of the 80+ signings we've made since Maloney's time, I'm struggling to think of who we class as an improvement on who we had before. Can't think of 1 right now!!

I actually don't fully blame the managers for this. It's the recruitment team and Ian Gordon thinking he knows what he's doing that is more to blame. Sick to death of it.

[Brizo]

I think SDG should stay until he's sacked. Let the Gordon's make the decision. It adds to their catalogue of what will be 5 sacked managers in 3 years and shine the spotlight even more on their incompetence. If SDG walks voluntarily they will try and spin it to absolve themselves of any guilt.

These charlatans wont sack themselves but each successive sacked manager hopefully puts more pressure on them to renounce some of their power and hand it over to the BK group.

[Ribs1875]

He should never have been given the job in the first place. Evidently they never learned from the Shaun Maloney disaster.

We need someone like Lennon or Mcinnes who will come in and see through all pish, and give the place a shake up.

[B.H.F.C]

Certainly looks that way. Said it last night but it’s really mental that they decided to stick with the same management team after St Mirren. There have been absolutely no signs of life, a single win against a shocking Craig Levein team aside.

The bit about ‘management team’ rather than just the manager is an interesting point. We were talking about it leaving the ground last night, those appointments were a mistake right from the off. Even the way we presented it was just another odd thing, the talk about them all being assistants equally, rather than the goalie coach being the goalie coach and whatever else. Eddie May ffs, he’s been making cups of tea at East Mains for the last 5 years.

[marinello59]

He should never have been given the job in the first place. Evidently they never learned from the Shaun Maloney disaster.

We need someone like Lennon or Mcinnes who will come in and see through all pish, and give the place a shake up.

There is nothing in Lennon's CV to suggest he can turn a situation like this round. He takes already very good squads and gets the best out of them. His second spell at Celtic shows what happens when he is faced with a squad in decline, it ends in failure.

[A Hi-Bee]

There is nothing in Lennon's CV to suggest he can turn a situation like this round. He takes already very good squads and gets the best out of them. His second spell at Celtic shows what happens when he is faced with a squad in decline, it ends in failure.

Are you saying he is not a better manager than what we have?

[marinello59]

Are you saying he is not a better manager than what we have?

I'm saying he is not the man to turn this around. There's a difference.

[A Hi-Bee]

I'm saying he is not the man to turn this around. There's a difference.

Bring him in till the end of the season then we shall see.

[HarpOnHibee]

There is nothing in Lennon's CV to suggest he can turn a situation like this round. He takes already very good squads and gets the best out of them. His second spell at Celtic shows what happens when he is faced with a squad in decline, it ends in failure.

I agree. He does well with teams that are on the up and up, but when it comes to struggling teams he begins to crumble, both professionally and personally. We need somebody who can bring in some stability. Not necessarily have us playing great football, but enough to grind out results. Somebody who is prepared to come in on a short term basis, simply to steady the ship.

[CapitalGreen]

Bring him in till the end of the season then we shall see.

Would he even bother to turning up, went awol for weeks when we were struggling last time he was here.

[Iain G]

We wouldn’t be bottom of the league if Monty was still here. I’d pretty much guarantee that.

Gray is clueless, can’t organise or set up a team, weird team selections, subs.

He’s not improved one player, not one.

How he’s still here I do not know.

Agreed, Monty was brought in to help clear out the players, change the mentality around the place and to oversee a major change. It was a longer term project and they bailed out within the first year and we got lumper with the Malky and Davie show, which is even worse.

[Hibiza]

Best to leave David . Don't think you were fully thrown under a bus.
There's traffic machines that come up red / Stop.

[The Captain....]

An experienced manager would have us on more than one win so far.I don't know how anyone can say that with any level of confidence given the persistent ability of our players throughout the team to make catastrophic errors of judgement on a regular basis. Gray canny drop them all.

I'm not saying he's not made mistakes but he's got a board above him fighting like rats in a sack to avoid any accountability and a squad of players who morebthan a few have seen off countless managers and are lacking in any semblance of character or resilience. I hate these players, it annoys me intensely they wear the shirt.

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[Heisenberg]

I don't know how anyone can say that with any level of confidence given the persistent ability of our players throughout the team to make catastrophic errors of judgement on a regular basis. Gray canny drop them all.

I'm not saying he's not made mistakes but he's got a board above him fighting like rats in a sack to avoid any accountability and a squad of players who morebthan a few have seen off countless managers and are lacking in any semblance of character or resilience. I hate these players, it annoys me intensely they wear the shirt.

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Gray has cost us multiple times this season by making utterly bizarre subs then on the flip side when it’s clear changes need made (after a red card) he’ll not do it and hang on till it’s too late. I’d be very confident in a different management team winning us more than one game in thirteen. .

Joe Newell shouldn’t be captain and shouldn’t have had a new deal, that sits with Gray ultimately though? He’s chosen to trust the likes Newell and Campbell ahead of a number of other players when the overwhelming evidence is that they aren’t good enough.

[21.05.2016]

David should have never got the job. Hibs are not a club where young managers are getting their first gig. We’ve tried and tested that before and it has not worked. Gray IMO was the cheap option and the board probably hedged their bets that given who he is the fans would be more likely to cut him a bit more slack and give him more time than most. The board are to blame for this, Gray was not ready.

Whatever happens Gray will forever be a much loved hibs legend. A Scottish cup winning captain who also happened to have scored the winner, it really doesn’t get much heroic than that. I owe the best day of my life to that man and when all is said and done that’s what he will be remembered for.

[Hibiza]

Gray has cost us multiple times this season by making utterly bizarre subs then on the flip side when it’s clear changes need made (after a red card) he’ll not do it and hang on till it’s too late. I’d be very confident in a different management team winning us more than one game in thirteen. .

Joe Newell shouldn’t be captain and shouldn’t have had a new deal, that sits with Gray ultimately though? He’s chosen to trust the likes Newell and Campbell ahead of a number of other players when the overwhelming evidence is that they aren’t good enough.
Agree was warned of looking after mates. Done the complete opposite with the choice of coaches and " Captain " .

[21.05.2016]

Gray has no loyalty to Hibs, so why should we have loyalty to him? He's a gun for hire like every other employee. He's clearly not up to the job and should never have been given it. So what he scored a tap in in a cup final? He's not fit for purpose now, get him out along with the rest of them

Dear oh ****ing dear.

[heretoday]

It's awful when a legend steps into the hot seat and things go badly. SDG should never have been appointed. I haven't seen him crack a smile since we won the cup.

[McD]

Gray has cost us multiple times this season by making utterly bizarre subs then on the flip side when it’s clear changes need made (after a red card) he’ll not do it and hang on till it’s too late. I’d be very confident in a different management team winning us more than one game in thirteen. .

Joe Newell shouldn’t be captain and shouldn’t have had a new deal, that sits with Gray ultimately though? He’s chosen to trust the likes Newell and Campbell ahead of a number of other players when the overwhelming evidence is that they aren’t good enough.


Exactly.

Gray is responsible for:
The fitness levels of the players
The tactics
The coaching
The mindset of the players in the pitch
The selection of the team, and the continued selection of underperforming players
The non selection of players in the same position as those underperforming players
The substitutions
The lack of game management when leading in the final stages of matches
The choice of captain
The lottery choices of random players appearing in squads/teams then disappearing
The complete lack of recognition that whatever he’s trying to do has not been successful, and the following lack of change to formations and tactics, and a number of apparently (virtually) undroppable players


The club is a total mess just now, but to say that gray has been thrown under a bus just isn’t true imo.

[Carheenlea]

I think we’re now into the territory of questioning whether David Gray is doing the right thing for Hibs by continuing on.

He must have been surprised to survive the St Mirren game then still be clinging on after Saturdays shambles. He knows he’s gone soon, and he had a chance to take a leaf out of Pat Fenlon and Pat Stanton’s book by tendering his resignation and leave with some dignity.

The longer he clings on in a job he knows he’s unable to accomplish the more damage he’s doing to the club, and he becomes closer aligned to the board for the supporters directing their anger.

He needs to do the honourable thing before the fans start to turn on him. It’s not far away.

[TrinityHFC]

David should have never got the job. Hibs are not a club where young managers are getting their first gig. We’ve tried and tested that before and it has not worked. Gray IMO was the cheap option and the board probably hedged their bets that given who he is the fans would be more likely to cut him a bit more slack and give him more time than most. The board are to blame for this, Gray was not ready.

Whatever happens Gray will forever be a much loved hibs legend. A Scottish cup winning captain who also happened to have scored the winner, it really doesn’t get much heroic than that. I owe the best day of my life to that man and when all is said and done that’s what he will be remembered for.

It has worked before though. Mowbray gave us a great team. Collins and Stubbs won us cups.

Some of our worst managers in recent times have been hugely experienced.

No guarantees either way.

[worcesterhibby]

Unfortunately SDG hasn’t been thrown under a bus.. he seems to have lain on the road waiting for it to arrive ! He doesn’t have the experience or the strength of character to get the team to run through brick walls for him. I suspect he’s too nice. He’s also been unlucky.. with some poor decisions against us by refs and some poor decisions made by players he should be able to trust, such as Newell and Obita. The buck stops with him though… he should have demanded a better goalie at the start of the season and he should be doing much better with the players he has… we are no world beaters, but our squad is no worse than Dundee, StJohnstone, Kilmarnock, Ross County, Hearts or Motherwell. At worst we should be mid table, but we’re not, we’re dead last and Gray has to take the blame I’m afraid.

sad sad times. sDG will always be a hero in my mind, but he was never the right choice for manager.

[GreenPJ]

This nonsense about do the honorable thing SDG and fall on your sword, forget about the financial security for your family, resign and give up any payout - what a lot of crap.

He doesn't know when the next coaching job would come along so to expect him to walk away is just ridiculous. Its another massive failing from those above in not taking the question out of his hands - David you are relieved of first team duties, if there was a role that he could go into then I don't have an issue with him still being at Easter Road but don't think there is and SDG I suspect would not take it even if there was one but the reality is the first team needs to be handed over - to me go and get Mowbray back in for the rest of the season - that I think would work for both parties (see if TM still wants the hassle after his health scare and we get in a manager who has an excellent CV, knows the club a bit, encourages youngsters and if he could not get a tune out of this group I am not sure who would.

[H18 SFR]

This nonsense about do the honorable thing SDG and fall on your sword, forget about the financial security for your family, resign and give up any payout - what a lot of crap.

He doesn't know when the next coaching job would come along so to expect him to walk away is just ridiculous. Its another massive failing from those above in not taking the question out of his hands - David you are relieved of first team duties, if there was a role that he could go into then I don't have an issue with him still being at Easter Road but don't think there is and SDG I suspect would not take it even if there was one but the reality is the first team needs to be handed over - to me go and get Mowbray back in for the rest of the season - that I think would work for both parties (see if TM still wants the hassle after his health scare and we get in a manager who has an excellent CV, knows the club a bit, encourages youngsters and if he could not get a tune out of this group I am not sure who would.

I agree with this. Look at his coaching and management career - total car crash from start to finish. He’s not going to have lots of offers I’d imagine. He’s not even done his full set of badges yet.

[Onion]

Exactly.

Gray is responsible for:
The fitness levels of the players
The tactics
The coaching
The mindset of the players in the pitch
The selection of the team, and the continued selection of underperforming players
The non selection of players in the same position as those underperforming players
The substitutions
The lack of game management when leading in the final stages of matches
The choice of captain
The lottery choices of random players appearing in squads/teams then disappearing
The complete lack of recognition that whatever he’s trying to do has not been successful, and the following lack of change to formations and tactics, and a number of apparently (virtually) undroppable players


The club is a total mess just now, but to say that gray has been thrown under a bus just isn’t true imo.

Sometimes in life people need saving from themselves. Just because he applied for the job doesn't mean he should be given it. It was patently clear we needed experience to sort out the mess at Hibs, not a rookie who just happened to be in the building. That mistake is 100% on the Hibs Board. Foley thought that, many Hibs fans also. Why they did it is now pretty irrelevant. Heads must roll. Sir David Gray cannot be the fall guy for this latest debacle.

[B.H.F.C]

I think we’re now into the territory of questioning whether David Gray is doing the right thing for Hibs by continuing on.

He must have been surprised to survive the St Mirren game then still be clinging on after Saturdays shambles. He knows he’s gone soon, and he had a chance to take a leaf out of Pat Fenlon and Pat Stanton’s book by tendering his resignation and leave with some dignity.

The longer he clings on in a job he knows he’s unable to accomplish the more damage he’s doing to the club, and he becomes closer aligned to the board for the supporters directing their anger.

He needs to do the honourable thing before the fans start to turn on him. It’s not far away.

At the end of the day, it’s his job and like most folk he’s probably not in a position where he can pack it in. I have no issue with him not doing what would be considered the honourable thing. It should have been taken out his hands already.

[Dashing Bob S]

I would tend to agree

I feared for him when he was appointed. But he’s an ambitious positive hard working bloke who backed himself.

Really sad times to see it end up like this for one of my favourite ever Hibs players.

It’s Franck Sauzee all over again. Spoiling the legacy.

Shan Shan times

Wouldn’t be Hibs if they didn’t treat their legends abominably. It’s in our DNA. That said, 1 win in 13 (soon inevitably to be 14) in a terrible league tells us he’s getting nothing out of the players at all, and probably won’t now.

I don’t want him to go but he has to. Nobody with that record is turning this around,

We have to acknowledge it’s a grim relegation struggle we’re in, when the likes of Ross County are pulling away from us.

Further procrastination now will only make the salvage job for the next guy even more difficult.

[green day]

I turned off the press conference as it was the same "we need to keep trying harder" nonsense we have heard week after week.

Shame, nice guy, legend and all that - but his win %age is awful.

[Souter96Mac]

I turned off the press conference as it was the same "we need to keep trying harder" nonsense we have heard week after week.

Shame, nice guy, legend and all that - but his win %age is awful.

I'm certain he said that Rocky played well on Saturday, other than the individual error..I'm all for not chucking players under the bus in front of the cameras but come on

[flash]

I'm certain he said that Rocky played well on Saturday, other than the individual error..I'm all for not chucking players under the bus in front of the cameras but come on

I thought he was alright other than the goal. None of the other goals had anything to do with him whatsoever.

[Ozyhibby]

Wouldn’t be Hibs if they didn’t treat their legends abominably. It’s in our DNA. That said, 1 win in 13 (soon inevitably to be 14) in a terrible league tells us he’s getting nothing out of the players at all, and probably won’t now.

I don’t want him to go but he has to. Nobody with that record is turning this around,

We have to acknowledge it’s a grim relegation struggle we’re in, when the likes of Ross County are pulling away from us.

Further procrastination now will only make the salvage job for the next guy even more difficult.

Treat him abominably? He’s been given a job he’s not qualified for and we have indulged him about two month too long just because he is a club legend. I would say it’s him taking advantage of his status more than Hibs.
The fact is, he is a garbage manager and should be gone. We have other problems but that’s what’s hurting us most just now. It needs fixed quick.


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[easty]

I thought he was alright other than the goal. None of the other goals had anything to do with him whatsoever.

That's Rocky in a nut-shell eh.

He was fine apart from the utter **** he made of it that one time.

[Donegal Hibby]

I thought he was alright other than the goal. None of the other goals had anything to do with him whatsoever.

:agree:

[K-Zazu]

Gray looking very upbeat in his interview with hibs tv on YouTube, I think he’s been told he will be here till January or something, doesn’t come across as a person that will be leaving any time soon.

[flash]

That's Rocky in a nut-shell eh.

He was fine apart from the utter **** he made of it that one time.

100%.

[stalbanshibby]

This nonsense about do the honorable thing SDG and fall on your sword, forget about the financial security for your family, resign and give up any payout - what a lot of crap.

He doesn't know when the next coaching job would come along so to expect him to walk away is just ridiculous. Its another massive failing from those above in not taking the question out of his hands - David you are relieved of first team duties, if there was a role that he could go into then I don't have an issue with him still being at Easter Road but don't think there is and SDG I suspect would not take it even if there was one but the reality is the first team needs to be handed over - to me go and get Mowbray back in for the rest of the season - that I think would work for both parties (see if TM still wants the hassle after his health scare and we get in a manager who has an excellent CV, knows the club a bit, encourages youngsters and if he could not get a tune out of this group I am not sure who would.

Right enough:

David- on second thoughts - don’t walk!! never mind about your dignity or Hibs. Think of your bairns.

[McD]

Sometimes in life people need saving from themselves. Just because he applied for the job doesn't mean he should be given it. It was patently clear we needed experience to sort out the mess at Hibs, not a rookie who just happened to be in the building. That mistake is 100% on the Hibs Board. Foley thought that, many Hibs fans also. Why they did it is now pretty irrelevant. Heads must roll. Sir David Gray cannot be the fall guy for this latest debacle.



I agree he should never have been offered the job, that is on the board. However, he has to take responsibility for his failings in the role, which I listed in my previous post. He simply cannot remain in role.

[Bobby's Cinema]

I thought he would be better leaving the Youan comments from through the week well alone today. Don't think there was any need to address it in the way he did. But who cares really all about what happens on the park.

[Bobby's Cinema]

That's Rocky in a nut-shell eh.

He was fine apart from the utter **** he made of it that one time.
We have a few players like that.