VAR Again

[CentreLine]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/willie-collum-kukharevych-hibs-red-34169498

I know it was discussed at the time but this update is interesting. It rips my knitting, this decision would not happen to certain clubs but we lose two points plus our only available, recognised striker for our next game. Then the same player has further suspensions hanging over his head. All because our officials are incompetent (at best). Wait for the carnage going on at every set pieces from now on. What’s the betting Hibs lose crucial goals whilst half the defence is rugby tackled and VAR looks away.

[Donegal Hibby]

VAR Review here :rolleyes:….

https://youtu.be/3YZZgquXDig?si=W9NiSq4P7tAr4Q7Z

[Halmyre Hibee]

The VAR official sounded excited he was giving the penalty against us. Once again these guys are trying to re referee the game. VAR is good if used correctly.

[Centre Hawf]

I only watched our incidents this time round but I thought Willie was quite good here. It's a pain in the arse that the check happened to us but I agree with him that the impact was minimal and shouldn't have been looked at by VAR. That's even though he admits that if the referee gives it in real time then it would be a correct decision.

It would be a welcome change in mindset to not go down a route of constantly re-refereeing everything and be a bit more conservative on how we use VAR.

I also agree that Mykola was generally just stupid to be doing what he was doing anyway.

[Jock O]

The VAR official sounded excited he was giving the penalty against us. Once again these guys are trying to re referee the game. VAR is good if used correctly.

The referee is basically asking VAR what he should do, it is totally opposite of what should be done surely. Which I think Collum is sort of saying without outright saying it.

[Donegal Hibby]

I only watched our incidents this time round but I thought Willie was quite good here. It's a pain in the arse that the check happened to us but I agree with him that the impact was minimal and shouldn't have been looked at by VAR. That's even though he admits that if the referee gives it in real time then it would be a correct decision.

It would be a welcome change in mindset to not go down a route of constantly re-refereeing everything and be a bit more conservative on how we use VAR.

I also agree that Mykola was generally just stupid to be doing what he was doing anyway.

It could be much more than a pain in the arse though as the two points it’s cost us could prove to be vital .

What I disagree with Collum about is if our one wasn’t a penalty yet given over a lengthy check why wasn’t the other not checked for the same length of time and given, don’t forget either that Myko also got a yellow card and Dalby didn’t which just highlights the whole inconsistency and incompetence of the officials on the two incidents …

Collum’s patter of two wrongs don’t make a right imo is a crock of **** as one team benefited over the other for two similar incidents.

[Centre Hawf]

It could be much more than a pain in the arse though as the two points it’s cost us could prove to be vital .

What I disagree with Collum about is if our one wasn’t a penalty yet given over a lengthy check why wasn’t the other not checked for the same length of time and given, don’t forget either that Myko also got a yellow card and Dalby didn’t which just highlights the whole inconsistency and incompetence of the officials on the two incidents …

Collum’s patter of two wrongs don’t make a right imo is a crock of **** as one team benefited over the other for two similar incidents.

Of course it could, but there's not a perfect answer to VAR at the moment as everyone is still figuring it out at as it goes sadly. I also don't believe for a second there won't be points elsewhere we make on other teams due to VAR decisions that go either for us or against teams in other games.

I don't think the two wrongs thing is incorrect from the perspective of him believing that the first one was wrong to intervene with and he doesn't think they should have given us a penalty so we can all be pals again, of course we don't want refs just blindly evening it up as much as we all claim we want in the heat of the moment. What we want them to get things right first time round and learn from their mistakes if they don't, giving the same bad decision when they know it's bad helps no one. I will say though in your defence the difference is VAR at that moment felt one was big enough to intervene in so I do feel then by their own consistency they should have done the other as well. It's only after the fact that the refs now all agree that United's penalty was wrong.

I don't like it but here's to stay and as long as they learn from it properly instead of making similar mistakes every week on how it's applied then we can maybe get to a place where we forget VAR is something we all hate.

[Northernhibee]

When you listen to the VAR of Newell being sent off at Tannadice, the team are absolutely doing cartwheels about the thought of sending off a Hibs player.

Then compare the tone of that to the Rangers high boot or Hatate’s lunge.

[B.H.F.C]

When you listen to the VAR of Newell being sent off at Tannadice, the team are absolutely doing cartwheels about the thought of sending off a Hibs player.

Then compare the tone of that to the Rangers high boot or Hatate’s lunge.

Think it was the linesman telling the ref to give Newell a second yellow and he gets very excited about it.

Listening to the guys on VAR finding every reason they can and trying to convince themselves that Hatate shouldn’t have been red carded was ridiculous.

[Northernhibee]

Think it was the linesman telling the ref to give Newell a second yellow and he gets very excited about it.

Listening to the guys on VAR finding every reason they can and trying to convince themselves that Hatate shouldn’t have been red carded was ridiculous.

To also hear that O’Hora wasn’t a penalty when we just spent ten minutes listening to what constitutes a penalty for holding and a plea to players not to hold jerseys at set pieces, and from what’s been said everything about the shirt tug on O’Hora ticks the boxes.

[Ron D Hibbie]

VAR Review here :rolleyes:….

https://youtu.be/3YZZgquXDig?si=W9NiSq4P7tAr4Q7Z

See how we get on tomorrow with Walsh as ref and Dallas on var.

[JimBHibees]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/willie-collum-kukharevych-hibs-red-34169498

I know it was discussed at the time but this update is interesting. It rips my knitting, this decision would not happen to certain clubs but we lose two points plus our only available, recognised striker for our next game. Then the same player has further suspensions hanging over his head. All because our officials are incompetent (at best). Wait for the carnage going on at every set pieces from now on. What’s the betting Hibs lose crucial goals whilst half the defence is rugby tackled and VAR looks away.

Well in the same game 5 mins after we had a more obvious foul ignored. Says everything about how we are treated

[gbhibby]

To also hear that O’Hora wasn’t a penalty when we just spent ten minutes listening to what constitutes a penalty for holding and a plea to players not to hold jerseys at set pieces, and from what’s been said everything about the shirt tug on O’Hora ticks the boxes.
The shirt tug on O'Hora is a penalty 100% as it took place clsoe enough to where the ball was played into. The ref gave a foul for a fictitious incident on the Utd player. Have seen this cop out by refs for years.The penalty given against is poor intervention by VAR. The officials involved should be stood down for a number of weeks and retrained.Did Colum not explain why a similar incident earlier in the season and laid down the criteria why it was not a penalty. A bit of deflection in his response about asking for clubs help re shirt pulling.

[Albert Kidd 86’]

For anyone interested, there is a very good deep dive into VAR and how it’s impossible drive for accuracy leads to the state of football today in this weeks New scientist magazine.

the Author has written a book about VAR and its problems.

The long and short of her findings is that you either do what Sweden have done and ban VAR, or accept the modern drive for technological accuracy and push for more (AI) driven VAR. ultimately deciding on either: maximising enjoyment of the game or accuracy of decisions.

here is a short passage from the article:

Another complaint is about the accuracy of offside decisions. After all, if you are going to claim that players' toenails are offside, your measurement technology needs to have toenail-sized levels of precision. But it doesn't. VAR's offside decisions depend on cameras with a frame rate of 50 frames per second: that is, one every 0.02 seconds. In that time, however, a defender and an attacker might e a c h have m o v e d as m u c h as 2 0 centimetres. So in one sense, the critics are right: some offside decisions are too close for VAR to judge accurately. In another sense, though, those critics are wrong: measuring offside with VAR is clearly far more accurate than asking humans to measure it in real time using only their eyes. That leaves us in the strange situation where offside decisions h a v e probably never had less error- and yet they have never been more controversial.

here is her book details,

-Daisy Christodoulou is directorof education at No More Marking.
Her latest book is I Can't Stop
Thinking About VAR


the article is on page 40 of new scientist 23November, and is called “it’s not football anymore”

[SickBoy32]

Last line in the post above says it all.

The destruction of the beautiful game is complete.

Nobody can truly enjoy football anymore whilst this total farce is in operation.

[Northernhibee]

Last line in the post above says it all.

The destruction of the beautiful game is complete.

Nobody can truly enjoy football anymore whilst this total farce is in operation.
I’m spending far more time at lower league/non league football this season and truth be told, it’s way, way more enjoyable. Only part of that is down to Hibs being so poor. If there a goal, it’s a goal. If the ref gives a penalty, it’s a penalty.

Just ninety minutes of actual football.

[southern hibby]

What gripped my poo about the VAR decisions is at least twice in the first half DU players are pulling Hibs shirts far worse than that.

There is no consistency in the sport in Scotland and it looks like if you support certain teams then you are more scrutinised than others by VAR.

GGTTH

[worcesterhibby]

Referees are cheats..VAR gives them more opportunities to cheat. I actually doubt that Hibs will ever win a cup again or ever come 3rd with VAR in place, too much stacked against us. With decent refereeing we might have 4or5 wins this season and be mid table.. less pressure on the manager and a much more confident team. I must admit I’m close to giving up on Scottish football.. actually almost all football.. I would say I watch maybe 20% of the football I watched before VAR. Have cancelled subscriptions, not bought tickets.. spend less time on here. I find the obvious bias very difficult to stomach. I generally try to have a positive attitude to mental health and if something makes me furious and sad and deflated and cheated, it’s not good for your mental health… football is gradually being filtered out of my life.

[JimBHibees]

What gripped my poo about the VAR decisions is at least twice in the first half DU players are pulling Hibs shirts far worse than that.

There is no consistency in the sport in Scotland and it looks like if you support certain teams then you are more scrutinised than others by VAR.

GGTTH

He was definitely looking for something to give especially re the stage of the match. Aitken has always had something against Hibs for some reason. Can remember ages ago a very bizarre game we played v Pars where he was at it big time. Penalty against Lewis for handball from a yard away. Aitken also the var in semi v Sheep just over a year ago.

[Skol]

Referees are cheats..VAR gives them more opportunities to cheat. I actually doubt that Hibs will ever win a cup again or ever come 3rd with VAR in place, too much stacked against us. With decent refereeing we might have 4or5 wins this season and be mid table.. less pressure on the manager and a much more confident team. I must admit I’m close to giving up on Scottish football.. actually almost all football.. I would say I watch maybe 20% of the football I watched before VAR. Have cancelled subscriptions, not bought tickets.. spend less time on here. I find the obvious bias very difficult to stomach. I generally try to have a positive attitude to mental health and if something makes me furious and sad and deflated and cheated, it’s not good for your mental health… football is gradually being filtered out of my life.

What is stacked against is and why ?

[JimBHibees]

What is stacked against is and why ?

Referees that don’t give us decisions and actively conjure up decisions against us. So many in the last few seasons.

[MrSmith]

Referees are cheats..VAR gives them more opportunities to cheat. I actually doubt that Hibs will ever win a cup again or ever come 3rd with VAR in place, too much stacked against us. With decent refereeing we might have 4or5 wins this season and be mid table.. less pressure on the manager and a much more confident team. I must admit I’m close to giving up on Scottish football.. actually almost all football.. I would say I watch maybe 20% of the football I watched before VAR. Have cancelled subscriptions, not bought tickets.. spend less time on here. I find the obvious bias very difficult to stomach. I generally try to have a positive attitude to mental health and if something makes me furious and sad and deflated and cheated, it’s not good for your mental health… football is gradually being filtered out of my life.

I am very much there already. The only thing that keeps me going is here on .net and sometimes the outrage caused by corrupt referees and VAR. VAR is so corrupt and still find it difficult to see how those on the panel think they are doing a good job. Sack them all and replace them with UEFA candidates.

[scm70nyd1973]

What gripped my poo about the VAR decisions is at least twice in the first half DU players are pulling Hibs shirts far worse than that.

There is no consistency in the sport in Scotland and it looks like if you support certain teams then you are more scrutinised than others by VAR.

GGTTH
They ignored the pull by the Utd player on ours which arguably had more effect on a potential outcome from the cross than ours on their player - how the fech can they ignore 2 pulls on jerseys - that’s far worse for me.

[overdrive]

I am very much there already. The only thing that keeps me going is here on .net and sometimes the outrage caused by corrupt referees and VAR. VAR is so corrupt and still find it difficult to see how those on the panel think they are doing a good job. Sack them all and replace them with UEFA candidates.

Referees are just corrupt. VAR in itself would be fine if we had competent, reliable and honest referees operating it. But we don’t. Certainly not ones that tick all three of those attributes. We have the same referees operating it that caused issues way before VAR was introduced.

If I encountered a category 1 SFA official in a non-football situation I wouldn’t trust them. Few of them have proven themselves to be trustworthy in a football sense and I suspect they are like that outside of football too.

[Chorley Hibee]

So, let's get this right, despite all the officials having made a serious 'error of judgement' by getting VAR involved in the first place, then getting the decision completely wrong, not one of them has seen any retrospective punishment for their failings.

Yet, Hibs are two points worse off and a player suspended.

That's what boils my piss.

[overdrive]

So, let's get this right, despite all the officials having made a serious 'error of judgement' by getting VAR involved in the first place, then getting the decision completely wrong, not one of them has seen any retrospective punishment for their failings.

Yet, Hibs are two points worse off and a player suspended.

That's what boils my piss.

It’s the suspension that annoys me. I’m not for changing a result but surely a double yellow could be overturned in that situation like how it is for mistaken identity.

[Centre Hawf]

It’s the suspension that annoys me. I’m not for changing a result but surely a double yellow could be overturned in that situation like how it is for mistaken identity.


So, let's get this right, despite all the officials having made a serious 'error of judgement' by getting VAR involved in the first place, then getting the decision completely wrong, not one of them has seen any retrospective punishment for their failings.

Yet, Hibs are two points worse off and a player suspended.

That's what boils my piss.

The decision was factually correct though. The issue isn't that it wasn't a penalty because if they admitted if the referee made the decision in real time it would be a correct decision. The issue is after the event they've now decided that is something they shouldn't get involved in going forward.

[Kato]

Referees are just corrupt. VAR in itself would be fine if we had competent, reliable and honest referees operating it. But we don’t. Certainly not ones that tick all three of those attributes. We have the same referees operating it that caused issues way before VAR was introduced.

If I encountered a category 1 SFA official in a non-football situation I wouldn’t trust them.

Why would you be in a lodge in the first place?

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[Onion]

Referees are cheats..VAR gives them more opportunities to cheat. I actually doubt that Hibs will ever win a cup again or ever come 3rd with VAR in place, too much stacked against us. With decent refereeing we might have 4or5 wins this season and be mid table.. less pressure on the manager and a much more confident team. I must admit I’m close to giving up on Scottish football.. actually almost all football.. I would say I watch maybe 20% of the football I watched before VAR. Have cancelled subscriptions, not bought tickets.. spend less time on here. I find the obvious bias very difficult to stomach. I generally try to have a positive attitude to mental health and if something makes me furious and sad and deflated and cheated, it’s not good for your mental health… football is gradually being filtered out of my life.

That's sad but totally get it. VAR is being used selectively as an additional stick to beat up certain clubs either deliberately or subliminally, and is throttling the life out of the game generally. I also fear Hibs chances of success have been greatly deminished by VAR.

Is there any Hibs fan left on the Planet who still thinks we'd have won the Cup in May 2016 with VAR in place ? That in itself tells you all you need to know.

[Kato]

The decision was factually correct though. The issue isn't that it wasn't a penalty because if they admitted if the referee made the decision in real time it would be a correct decision. The issue is after the event they've now decided that is something they shouldn't get involved in going forward.It's all forked tongue nonsense. They'll say anything to smother whatever rotten decision crops up, then change what they mean another week.

No mention that Triantis was being pulled at the Myko incident, the "foul" given at the other end when Iredale was being fouled is a joke.

Bias refs playing in a football environment notorious world-wide for religious bigotry. I don't why people are so mealy mouthed in calling it out.

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[CentreLine]

Why would you be in a lodge in the first place?

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😂

[CentreLine]

Said it before. VAR can be transmitted anywhere in the world. No country should be using their own referees on VAR. They don’t have to. It can be monitored from another county, whilst our bunch take their “incompetence” elsewhere.

[Paulie Walnuts]

What is stacked against is and why ?

Nothing.

It’s Celtic-esque paranoia. Hibs, a team that pose no threat to the Old Firm, are being kept down by referees to keep us from being mid table of all things for some unknown reason.

[Chorley Hibee]

The decision was factually correct though. The issue isn't that it wasn't a penalty because if they admitted if the referee made the decision in real time it would be a correct decision. The issue is after the event they've now decided that is something they shouldn't get involved in going forward.

They were told at the start of the season VAR wasn't to get involved in such decisions, yet they've ignored that directive.

There should be repercussions for such a decision.

[Hibs90]

Cheats

[Kato]

Nothing.

It’s Celtic-esque paranoia. Hibs, a team that pose no threat to the Old Firm, are being kept down by referees to keep us from being mid table of all things for some unknown reason.Foolish attitude and a warped wording of what is happening in front of your very eyes.

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[gbhibby]

The decision was factually correct though. The issue isn't that it wasn't a penalty because if they admitted if the referee made the decision in real time it would be a correct decision. The issue is after the event they've now decided that is something they shouldn't get involved in going forward.
They shouldn't have got involved in tbe first place as he and others have said in the past that the incident must have an effect on a player who is in the area where the ball in played to in this case the ball was played to the back post and at a height that the utd player would have needed to be superhuman to reach. They realise that they have made a big mistake.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Foolish attitude and a warped wording of what is happening in front of your very eyes.

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Na, it’s really not.

What’s the purpose/reason behind this anti Hibs conspiracy?

[Ron D Hibbie]

Na, it’s really not.

What’s the purpose/reason behind this anti Hibs conspiracy?

You must be a ref.

[hibee-boys]

Pretty sure a hibs player was getting his shirt pulled by a Utd player in exactly the same phase of play, and was the first foul. Like many others I’d hoped that VAR would improve the consistency of officiating in this Scotland but it’s got worse……and we’ve been at the wrong end of these ‘wrong’ decisions far too often for my liking. I’d have expected the club to be making a statement, applying some pressure, highlighting our concerns around these most recent decisions….i won’t hold my breath though. Seems our owners/board have as much fight as our current staring XI.

[Paulie Walnuts]

You must be a ref.

Or just not paranoid.

Why do you think there’s a supposed agenda against Hibs?

[Kato]

Na, it’s really not.

What’s the purpose/reason behind this anti Hibs conspiracy?Really? Don't be so naive.

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[Ron D Hibbie]

Or just not paranoid.

Why do you think there’s a supposed agenda against Hibs?

Could be loads of reasons.

[Skol]

I agree we are getting bad decisions, but I dont buy into any of the conspiracy theories around corruption.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Really? Don't be so naive.

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What’s the reasons behind it? And what’s the aim of what they’re doing?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Could be loads of reasons.

Such as?

[Carheenlea]

Most knew that VAR would be beyond the capabilities of Scottish referees to deal with. If one country wasn’t to be trusted with VAR it was Scotland.

Nothing we’ve seen so far will have changed anyone’s opinion on that, but the opinions of those who were strong advocates of VAR before it became operational will perhaps have changed.

[Colr]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/willie-collum-kukharevych-hibs-red-34169498

I know it was discussed at the time but this update is interesting. It rips my knitting, this decision would not happen to certain clubs but we lose two points plus our only available, recognised striker for our next game. Then the same player has further suspensions hanging over his head. All because our officials are incompetent (at best). Wait for the carnage going on at every set pieces from now on. What’s the betting Hibs lose crucial goals whilst half the defence is rugby tackled and VAR looks away.

I’d love to read the Evening Times article on this but there are so many adverts and pop ups I can’t see the text!

[Centre Hawf]

They were told at the start of the season VAR wasn't to get involved in such decisions, yet they've ignored that directive.

There should be repercussions for such a decision.

My reading on Collums words is that this is a new decision they've made and not something they were told at the start of the season.

"But we also need to listen to our stakeholders, the KMI panel and what people are saying. And the overwhelming response has been that this is not for VAR.

"If it's given on-field, of course it's supported but our take on this moving forward that it is off the ball."

It sounds to me like this has came from the aftermath of this decision? If I'm wrong and this was something that was decided in the summer I'll hold my hands up and ditch my defence of it.

[HarpOnHibee]

Most knew that VAR would be beyond the capabilities of Scottish referees to deal with. If one country wasn’t to be trusted with VAR it was Scotland.

Nothing we’ve seen so far will have changed anyone’s opinion on that, but the opinions of those who were strong advocates of VAR before it became operational will perhaps have changed.

My issue isn't with the technology, it's with the people using it. Getting rid of the technology now isn't going to improve anything. It will still be the same clowns in charge making the same "incompetent'" decisions. VAR just makes their corruption harder to cover up.

[Colr]

Most knew that VAR would be beyond the capabilities of Scottish referees to deal with. If one country wasn’t to be trusted with VAR it was Scotland.

Nothing we’ve seen so far will have changed anyone’s opinion on that, but the opinions of those who were strong advocates of VAR before it became operational will perhaps have changed.

We need a board of non-Scottish referees overseeing the decisions in the game

[Ron D Hibbie]

Such as?

Ok if you think hibs get a fair deal from refs thats fine then.

[overdrive]

My reading on Collums words is that this is a new decision they've made and not something they were told at the start of the season.

"But we also need to listen to our stakeholders, the KMI panel and what people are saying. And the overwhelming response has been that this is not for VAR.

"If it's given on-field, of course it's supported but our take on this moving forward that it is off the ball."

It sounds to me like this has came from the aftermath of this decision? If I'm wrong and this was something that was decided in the summer I'll hold my hands up and ditch my defence of it.


No, it was before this.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Ok if you think hibs get a fair deal from refs thats fine then.

So there could be loads of reasons that there’s an anti Hibs agenda… but you can’t even give me one?

[blackpoolhibs]

Most knew that VAR would be beyond the capabilities of Scottish referees to deal with. If one country wasn’t to be trusted with VAR it was Scotland.

Nothing we’ve seen so far will have changed anyone’s opinion on that, but the opinions of those who were strong advocates of VAR before it became operational will perhaps have changed.
I was all for it, strupidly i thought they wouldnt be able to cheat us because it was all there for everyone to see.

I was very naive, they dont give a toss if we can all see it's wrong.

Cheats.

[Centre Hawf]

No, it was before this.

Fair enough then, if they've been told before that game that they shouldn't be getting involved in that scenario then it's a poor piece of refereeing on VARs part.

[JohnM1875]

So there could be loads of reasons that there’s an anti Hibs agenda… but you can’t even give me one?

Its because, as you say, there isn't one. Every fan of every team thinks the refs have it in for them. Even the Huns!

Our refs are just ****. Simple as that really.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Its because, as you say, there isn't one. Every fan of every team thinks the refs have it in for them. Even the Huns!

Our refs are just ****. Simple as that really.

Correct.

The idea that Hibs, who pose no real threat to anything are being kept down by referees is laughable. A conspiracy and cheating that would potentially see referees liable to have criminal action being taken against them purely to stop us being mid table rather than mid to bottom. Nonsense.

[Kato]

Fair enough then, if they've been told before that game that they shouldn't be getting involved in that scenario then it's a poor piece of refereeing on VARs part.Naughty VAR.

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[HarpOnHibee]

Its because, as you say, there isn't one. Every fan of every team thinks the refs have it in for them. Even the Huns!

Our refs are just ****. Simple as that really.

That lot will argue that the refs are against them if they only get one non-penalty in a game instead of two or three. They have an expectation of favoritism, not fairness. An expectation that has come from the endless run of favoritism they receive season after season.

[Kato]

Our refs are just ****.

"Our" refs have the potential to great. So many good officials further down the leagues. Then they come up against the geographical glass ceiling and their career stalls. Anyone would think it's closed shop.

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[JimBHibees]

Its because, as you say, there isn't one. Every fan of every team thinks the refs have it in for them. Even the Huns!

Our refs are just ****. Simple as that really.

Still waiting us getting any poor decisions in our favour. If only incompetent we would get a share which genuinely struggle to remember any. The debit column is long in terms of decisions against recently

[Paulie Walnuts]

Still waiting us getting any poor decisions in our favour. If only incompetent we would get a share which genuinely struggle to remember any. The debit column is long in terms of decisions against recently

You’re waiting because you’ve got an extreme bias. (That’s not a dig btw).

For example, St Johnstone got a straight red against us for a tackle very similar to Joe Newells against Dundee United, except the St J player doesn’t even look like he made contact. Folk were telling us Joe Newells wasn’t even a foul, yet you can guarantee they’d have been quite happy to claim the St J players was a straight red.

Fans of all teams think the world is against them. They view decisions against their team with a bias towards their own team and they view decisions for them, again, with a bias towards their own team. The end result means they think they should be given more, and have less given against them, resulting in them believing they’re being unfairly treated.

For all the shouts about corruption and cheating towards Hibs, none of it stands up to any sensible scrutiny. There would be absolutely zero reason for there to be a campaign to cheat Hibs and only Hibs.

[MrSmith]

You’re waiting because you’ve got an extreme bias. (That’s not a dig btw).

For example, St Johnstone got a straight red against us for a tackle very similar to Joe Newells against Dundee United, except the St J player doesn’t even look like he made contact. Folk were telling us Joe Newells wasn’t even a foul, yet you can guarantee they’d have been quite happy to claim the St J players was a straight red.

Fans of all teams think the world is against them. They view decisions against their team with a bias towards their own team and they view decisions for them, again, with a bias towards their own team. The end result means they think they should be given more, and have less given against them, resulting in them believing they’re being unfairly treated.

For all the shouts about corruption and cheating towards Hibs, none of it stands up to any sensible scrutiny. There would be absolutely zero reason for there to be a campaign to cheat Hibs and only Hibs.

Since we beat rankers in the 2016 SC final, there has been multiple instances and televised examples of decisions going against us. Some have been woeful and downright corrupt, should you wish to think folk are biased then so be it. However, once is a msitake multiple times is by design.

[overdrive]

Gollum said these should be quick. Watching the The Rangers vs Dundee Utd game and they are taking an utter age for the Utd goal. Looked easily onside from the replay on The Rangers TV.

Miles onside - Clancy definitely trying to cheat by finding any reason possible not to give the goal!

Even the immensely biased Rangers TV commentators thought it was obviously onside.

[Chorley Hibee]

Gollum said these should be quick. Watching the The Rangers vs Dundee Utd game and they are taking an utter age for the Utd goal. Looked easily onside from the replay onThe Rangers TV

Just like the penalty awarded to Dundee Utd against us, in certain circumstances, and with certain teams, they'll hunt for anything in an attempt to alter the course of the match.

[gbhibby]

You’re waiting because you’ve got an extreme bias. (That’s not a dig btw).

For example, St Johnstone got a straight red against us for a tackle very similar to Joe Newells against Dundee United, except the St J player doesn’t even look like he made contact. Folk were telling us Joe Newells wasn’t even a foul, yet you can guarantee they’d have been quite happy to claim the St J players was a straight red.

Fans of all teams think the world is against them. They view decisions against their team with a bias towards their own team and they view decisions for them, again, with a bias towards their own team. The end result means they think they should be given more, and have less given against them, resulting in them believing they’re being unfairly treated.

For all the shouts about corruption and cheating towards Hibs, none of it stands up to any sensible scrutiny. There would be absolutely zero reason for there to be a campaign to cheat Hibs and only Hibs.
I have seen other teams the victims of strange decisions. The issue for me is the lack of consistency in the analysis by VAR. There is also times where is seems to take an age to come to a decision which is obvious to everyone.
It is strange though that we seem to be highlighted a lot on ref watch on Sky. Looking forward to the two contentious incidents today in the Dundee game.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Since we beat rankers in the 2016 SC final, there has been multiple instances and televised examples of decisions going against us. Some have been woeful and downright corrupt, should you wish to think folk are biased then so be it. However, once is a msitake multiple times is by design.

Of course there has been, it was 8 years ago. There’ll be numerous instances of decisions going our way since then as well.

So we beat Rangers in a cup final, why did they not just stop us winning the cup final? That would make much more sense than allowing us to win the cup, followed by a decade of corruption afterwards. If they were looking for an excuse I’m sure they could have just used Stokes slight nudge on Tavernier to rule out our equaliser, or we wouldn’t have got the bizarre free kick given our way which finished the game.

Why are Motherwell not punished for keeping rangers in the championship another season? That was a hell of a lot more damaging for them. Surely Motherwell are getting decisions against them as well if it’s about punishing people for damaging Rangers? Do Aberdeen get decisions given against them for finishing above Rangers twice?

Paranoid pish.

[Ron D Hibbie]

Of course there has been, it was 8 years ago. There’ll be numerous instances of decisions going our way since then as well.

So we beat Rangers in a cup final, why did they not just stop us winning the cup final? That would make much more sense than allowing us to win the cup, followed by a decade of corruption afterwards. If they were looking for an excuse I’m sure they could have just used Stokes slight nudge on Tavernier to rule out our equaliser, or we wouldn’t have got the bizarre free kick given our way which finished the game.

Why are Motherwell not punished for keeping rangers in the championship another season? That was a hell of a lot more damaging for them. Surely Motherwell are getting decisions against them as well if it’s about punishing people for damaging Rangers? Do Aberdeen get decisions given against them for finishing above Rangers twice?

Paranoid pish.
Ok you have convinced me. The refs are brilliant.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Ok you have convinced me. The refs are brilliant.

No, that’s a completely different discussion.

The standard of refereeing is crap. They also give the Old Firm way too much. That’s completely different from a conspiracy against Hibs specifically.

[Paulie Walnuts]

And here we are, after the clearest of red cards, with people claiming it wasn’t a red.

This is the issue. Not a conspiracy, the issue is folk being unable to look at things objectively. If you can’t do that, then you’ll manage to convince yourself the world is against Hibs.

[HarpOnHibee]

And here we are, after the clearest of red cards, with people claiming it wasn’t a red.

This is the issue. Not a conspiracy, the issue is folk being unable to look at things objectively. If you can’t do that, then you’ll manage to convince yourself the world is against Hibs.

There have been some questionable decisions that have gone against us this season. However, this wasn't one of them.

[Stokesy's on fire]

There have been some questionable decisions that have gone against us this season. However, this wasn't one of them.

Wait until we play AbVARdeen on Tuesday

[Paulie Walnuts]

There have been some questionable decisions that have gone against us this season. However, this wasn't one of them.

And there’s been some went for us. Swings and roundabouts.

[StevieT]

VAR has helped with the eyesight of our referees. They are now able to spot red card tackles when a player overstretches in trying to make a tackle. It's not that long ago that they couldn't see blatant red cards which were then handed out retrospectively. Something has changed somewhere.