Hearts partner Jamestown Analytics

[Lago]

Official partnership announced, exclusive access to player data.

[green day]

**** Hearts

[HoboHarry]

Couldn't give rat's erchie about who they partner with other than it'll make a nice change from their sisters I suppose.

[Carheenlea]

They are the third biggest analytics business in the country or something like that.

[SHODAN]

Ok

[gbhibby]

https://images.app.goo.gl/VzxGVNc3TMVb2Kso6

No happy at being linked with Hearts

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[Paulie Walnuts]

Is this the Tony Bloom company?

[Bostonhibby]

They are the third biggest analytics business in the country or something like that.No chance. By associating themselves with Hearts they are by far the biggest, and most atmospheric data analytics company in the world.

And if you have any doubts just tune into next Saturday's BBC Heartsound for confirmation.

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[marinello59]

Official partnership announced, exclusive access to player data.

I predict that it will make no difference to them without a huge injection of cash to back it up. And even then the cash would still be the major factor.

[Bostonhibby]

I predict that it will make no difference to them without a huge injection of cash to back it up. And even then the cash would still be the major factor.Huge club with a world's best partner, I can see them finally getting windows for the hotel at Tynecastle "park" as a direct result of this.

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[HoboHarry]

Natalie Merchant is the one and only great thing that came out of Jamestown.

[Clarence]

More like Jonestown for those believers.

[Waxy]

It’s Scottish football.
Wont work.

[Lago]

Is this the Tony Bloom company?
Kind of, Bloom also in negotiations to invest in Hearts, but not to worry Ian Gordon heads up our recruitment efforts ��

[Ronniekirk]

Natalie Merchant is the one and only great thing that came out of Jamestown.

And Hearts probably have 10 000 Maniacs in Thier fan base

[HoboHarry]

And Hearts probably have 10 000 Maniacs in Thier fan base
400,000 at the last count no?

[hibsbollah]

Wasnt there some sort of disaster to do with Jamestown? In the states, not Dundee ‘85.

[Eyrie]

Wasnt there some sort of disaster to do with Jamestown? In the states, not Dundee ‘85.

Are you thinking of this?


More like Jonestown for those believers.

[Waxy]

They’re probably more likely to break something that worked than improve anything here.

[HoboHarry]

Wasnt there some sort of disaster to do with Jamestown? In the states, not Dundee ‘85.
The English settlers in Jamestown certainly had their share of disaster and just like '86 it started with khasi hogging but ended with loss of life as opposed to league titles....

[Mrimbetween]

More like Jonestown for those believers.
Now thats funny FAf, had a right chuckle at that

Few Jambos at work full of it Re this announcement and if it isnt that its there up and coming euro travels

Hope both fail miserably

[Is It On....]

I predict that it will make no difference to them without a huge injection of cash to back it up. And even then the cash would still be the major factor.

Sadly I think you are wrong; this is likely to be a game changer for Hearts and Scottish football. Would be delighted to be proven wrong though 🤞

[TrinityHFC]

Sadly I think you are wrong; this is likely to be a game changer for Hearts and Scottish football. Would be delighted to be proven wrong though 🤞

Hibs focus on analytics and ‘moneyball’ signings and we should instead be trusting proper football people and old school scouts. Hearts get involved and it becomes game changing….

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Sadly I think you are wrong; this is likely to be a game changer for Hearts and Scottish football. Would be delighted to be proven wrong though ��

seems like what it clubs do - database and algorithms. Do they have a way of highlighting “character”.

maybe they’ll unearth the latest Larryea Kingston? Here’s hoping. That’s peak Jambo other possibly that muppet they sold to Genk (didn’t he contribute nothing but money laundered - I mean sold for £800k to Genk and was all over the Football press only 2nd to Ronaldo and Messi?)

[CB Hibs 68]

seems like what it clubs do - database and algorithms. Do they have a way of highlighting “character”.

maybe they’ll unearth the latest Larryea Kingston? Here’s hoping. That’s peak Jambo other possibly that muppet they sold to Genk (didn’t he contribute nothing but money laundered - I mean sold for £800k to Genk and was all over the Football press only 2nd to Ronaldo and Messi?)Not worried in the least as long as the Gordon s run Hibs.Why should I ? Our recruitment has been special since they took over.

[Is It On....]

Hibs focus on analytics and ‘moneyball’ signings and we should instead be trusting proper football people and old school scouts. Hearts get involved and it becomes game changing….

After the debacle that ended with relegation, Hibs were focussed on analytics under Mathie and Craig. Unfortunately this ended when Craig retired and Mathie was sacked to be replaced by a guy with zero experience, other than having completed a couple of courses. The result has been a disaster with both player recruitment and manager selection.

Hopefully Foley and his team can get us back to doing things properly and sideline the clowns that have got us into our current predicament.

[PHeffernan]

Natalie Merchant is the one and only great thing that came out of Jamestown.

You forgot about the Jamestown Ferry or at least the great song of that title by Charlie Crockett. It's the real deal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnRHnCM3jBA

[bringbackbenny]

And Hearts probably have 10 000 Maniacs in Thier fan base

10/10.

We Don't Talk about these matters. Jack Kerouac would kick their heids in

[HoboHarry]

10/10.

We Don't Talk about these matters. Jack Kerouac would kick their heids in

We all got Gun Shy after the season were having.

[macca70]

interesting to see how it works out, love how excited they seem to be about it.

Majority, if not all, top flight clubs will be using data and technology such as Wyscout to identify potential signings.

No doubt it seems to have worked for Brighton but it will be a different story when you put a filter on the data to filter it down to players value is less than £200k :faf:

The have made 48 million euros from player sales this season but have spent 231 million euros bringing players in, 1 of which was 29 million on O'Riley, doesn't take fancy analytics to identify O'Riley was a player. Hardly a bargain signing a player for 29 million from the scottish premier league.

[I'm Spartacus]

My genuine thoughts on this.

They've signed one decent player for as long as I can remember, Shankland, and that wasn't down to anything other than Robbie Reply knowing him from Dundee United, zero analytics involved.

They've seemingly already been using the information for some of the recent South American singings, Vargas being useless an the others nowhere to be seen.

Every signing is a complete chance, every managerial appointment is a complete chance, I will be amazed if this partnership digs up anything like the Brighton gems they pay £20M+ for.

[SHODAN]

Pretty sure we've been trying the Moneyball approach for a good few years now and it's come to nothing.

I'm not entirely convinced a metrics-based approach to transfers works up here and I say that as a professional data analyst.

[tamig]

interesting to see how it works out, love how excited they seem to be about it.

Majority, if not all, top flight clubs will be using data and technology such as Wyscout to identify potential signings.

No doubt it seems to have worked for Brighton but it will be a different story when you put a filter on the data to filter it down to players value is less than £200k :faf:

The have made 48 million euros from player sales this season but have spent 231 million euros bringing players in, 1 of which was 29 million on O'Riley, doesn't take fancy analytics to identify O'Riley was a player. Hardly a bargain signing a player for 29 million from the scottish premier league.

29 million might seem a lot. But Brighton could easily double their money on that if he’s a success. Early signs are he’ll do very well there.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Pretty sure we've been trying the Moneyball approach for a good few years now and it's come to nothing.

I'm not entirely convinced a metrics-based approach to transfers works up here and I say that as a professional data analyst.

Thing for me is that if this happened 3 or 4 years ago then they may have managed to be ahead of the curve. I’m not convinced Brighton (or Hearts) are ahead of the curve anymore. They were early adopters of this sort of thing but I’d suspect everyone else will be copying them to a degree by now.

[Paulie Walnuts]

29 million might seem a lot. But Brighton could easily double their money on that if he’s a success. Early signs are he’ll do very well there.

Has he not only played 1 game or something?

[cocteautwin]

I predict that it will make no difference to them without a huge injection of cash to back it up. And even then the cash would still be the major factor.

Well they’ve already spent their way through the best part of £60m in donations from Anderson and FoH. How huger can the injections be?

[04Sauzee]

Bournemouth could sell Kerkez this summer, fee could be anything around 40-60m depending on which report you read. They signed him for around 19m euros this summer. Think Bournemouth may be doing some decent recruitment.

[Since452]

Cool

[green day]

interesting to see how it works out, love how excited they seem to be about it.

Majority, if not all, top flight clubs will be using data and technology such as Wyscout to identify potential signings.

No doubt it seems to have worked for Brighton but it will be a different story when you put a filter on the data to filter it down to players value is less than £200k :faf:

The have made 48 million euros from player sales this season but have spent 231 million euros bringing players in, 1 of which was 29 million on O'Riley, doesn't take fancy analytics to identify O'Riley was a player. Hardly a bargain signing a player for 29 million from the scottish premier league.

I cant be bothered finding it, but when the initial story about Hearts and Bloom broke, there was all sorts of "Brighton are doing incredibly, its a fairy story, making a fortune on players" type posts.

I had a wee look (its all there on Transfermarkt) and since their return to the Premiership their transfer business is enormously in the red (I think its approaching £500m from memory - staggering sums !).

So, yes, they do sell players for a lot of cash but have invested a heck of a lot to unearth the odd diamond.

Blooms system is clearly good, but unless clubs spend on big expensive squads then I struggle to see what this does in the Scottish league.

Frankly, I dont care about Hearts, they will - whatever "system" they use, tell everyone its world leading, and will continue to burn through Andersons cash.

I only care about Hibs leveraging the BK relationship - which, so far we havent done to any extent at all.

[tamig]

Has he not only played 1 game or something?

Terrible injury on his debut from a horror tackle but he returned way ahead of schedule and scored the winner against Man City. Maybe I’m being a tad optimistic on his prospects but the Brighton management and fans were certainly impressed with what they saw. He’s a class player and I personally think he’ll move on to bigger things. Early days but just trying to point out that 29m could be a bargain in the longer term.

[tamig]

I cant be bothered finding it, but when the initial story about Hearts and Bloom broke, there was all sorts of "Brighton are doing incredibly, its a fairy story, making a fortune on players" type posts.

I had a wee look (its all there on Transfermarkt) and since their return to the Premiership their transfer business is enormously in the red (I think its approaching £500m from memory - staggering sums !).

So, yes, they do sell players for a lot of cash but have invested a heck of a lot to unearth the odd diamond.

Blooms system is clearly good, but unless clubs spend on big expensive squads then I struggle to see what this does in the Scottish league.

Frankly, I dont care about Hearts, they will - whatever "system" they use, tell everyone its world leading, and will continue to burn through Andersons cash.

I only care about Hibs leveraging the BK relationship - which, so far we havent done to any extent at all.
Somebody mentioned that Grimsby are using a version of the tool. I wonder how their recruitment is going now. They obviously won’t be signing guys for 1m+

As you say though, who really cares. We have our own partnership to leverage and will be pretty exciting to see how this new guy does for us 🤞

[green day]

Somebody mentioned that Grimsby are using a version of the tool. I wonder how their recruitment is going now. They obviously won’t be signing guys for 1m+

As you say though, who really cares. We have our own partnership to leverage and will be pretty exciting to see how this new guy does for us 🤞

This is key for me.:aok:

We cant worry about them - and history tells us they burn through (other peoples) cash like there is no tomorrow for no return. Cant see that changing any time soon.

[Tyler Durden]

I cant be bothered finding it, but when the initial story about Hearts and Bloom broke, there was all sorts of "Brighton are doing incredibly, its a fairy story, making a fortune on players" type posts.

I had a wee look (its all there on Transfermarkt) and since their return to the Premiership their transfer business is enormously in the red (I think its approaching £500m from memory - staggering sums !).

So, yes, they do sell players for a lot of cash but have invested a heck of a lot to unearth the odd diamond.

Blooms system is clearly good, but unless clubs spend on big expensive squads then I struggle to see what this does in the Scottish league.

Frankly, I dont care about Hearts, they will - whatever "system" they use, tell everyone its world leading, and will continue to burn through Andersons cash.

I only care about Hibs leveraging the BK relationship - which, so far we havent done to any extent at all.

Not sure about that.... But if you just look at the last 5 years and teams who have been in the Premier throughout that, I think only Everton and Wolves have a lower net spend than Brighton. And that comes after a summer where they've been the highest spenders in the division, which would have been unthinkable only a few years back. The likes of Joa Pedro, Baleba, Van Hecke will be their next big sales and make further huge profits.

But I agree with your overall point. Even with that amazing success, Brighton have their ceiling and will struggle to break into top 6. Hearts, even if they start similarly making much better use of their budget.... will be limited to 3rd. Hardly a game changer.

[JohnM1875]

We’re not going to start arguing about which one of our English overlords are better in the transfer market are we?

Cause if we are, I'm voting Bournemouth. Just cause.

[Bostonhibby]

We’re not going to start arguing about which one of our English overlords are better in the transfer market are we?

Cause if we are, I'm voting Bournemouth. Just cause.[emoji16]

Brighton are only in this deal so they can call themselves big, famous and atmospheric like their new thieving pals.

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[04Sauzee]

Not sure about that.... But if you just look at the last 5 years and teams who have been in the Premier throughout that, I think only Everton and Wolves have a lower net spend than Brighton. And that comes after a summer where they've been the highest spenders in the division, which would have been unthinkable only a few years back. The likes of Joa Pedro, Baleba, Van Hecke will be their next big sales and make further huge profits.

But I agree with your overall point. Even with that amazing success, Brighton have their ceiling and will struggle to break into top 6. Hearts, even if they start similarly making much better use of their budget.... will be limited to 3rd. Hardly a game changer.

Last 5 years Net transfers for teams in the premier

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/fuenfjahresvergleich/wettbewerb/GB1

[Not In The Know]

I cant be bothered finding it, but when the initial story about Hearts and Bloom broke, there was all sorts of "Brighton are doing incredibly, its a fairy story, making a fortune on players" type posts.

I had a wee look (its all there on Transfermarkt) and since their return to the Premiership their transfer business is enormously in the red (I think its approaching £500m from memory - staggering sums !).

So, yes, they do sell players for a lot of cash but have invested a heck of a lot to unearth the odd diamond.

Blooms system is clearly good, but unless clubs spend on big expensive squads then I struggle to see what this does in the Scottish league.

Frankly, I dont care about Hearts, they will - whatever "system" they use, tell everyone its world leading, and will continue to burn through Andersons cash.

I only care about Hibs leveraging the BK relationship - which, so far we havent done to any extent at all.


100%!!!


Posted this on another thread - As usual it’s Jumbo hyperbole that the media love to latch onto. Everyone thinks this amazing software has magically whisked Brighton to dizzy heights in the PL


its all about the money - they have invested half a Billion to err.. be mid table in the PL


Total Investments in Premier League Clubs (Purchase Price + Owner Funding):


Clubs listed from highest to lowest total investment:

Chelsea: Purchase Price £2,500m + Owner Funding £146m = £2,646m
Manchester City: Purchase Price £1,300m + Owner Funding £200m = £1,500m
Arsenal: Purchase Price £1,000m + Owner Funding £259m = £1,259m
Fulham: Purchase Price £788m + Owner Funding £150m = £938m
Everton: Purchase Price £750m + Owner Funding £128m = £878m
Manchester United: Purchase Price £800m + Owner Funding £45m = £845m
Aston Villa: Purchase Price £522m + Owner Funding £60m = £582m
Newcastle United: Purchase Price £300m + Owner Funding £266m = £566m
Brighton: Purchase Price £494m + Owner Funding £18m = £512m
Leicester City: Purchase Price £444m + Owner Funding £40m = £484m
Liverpool: Purchase Price £300m + Owner Funding £136m = £436m
Crystal Palace: Purchase Price £278m + Owner Funding £0m = £278m
Wolves: Purchase Price £243m + Owner Funding £0m = £243m
Bournemouth: Purchase Price £213m + Owner Funding £0m = £213m
West Ham United: Purchase Price £206m + Owner Funding £0m = £206m
Tottenham Hotspur: Purchase Price £194m + Owner Funding £0m = £194m
Southampton: Purchase Price £185m + Owner Funding £0m = £185m
Nottingham Forest: Purchase Price £162m + Owner Funding £0m = £162m
Brentford: Purchase Price £124m + Owner Funding £0m = £124m
Ipswich Town: Purchase Price £123m + Owner Funding £0m = £123m

[007]

Terrible injury on his debut from a horror tackle but he returned way ahead of schedule and scored the winner against Man City. Maybe I’m being a tad optimistic on his prospects but the Brighton management and fans were certainly impressed with what they saw. He’s a class player and I personally think he’ll move on to bigger things. Early days but just trying to point out that 29m could be a bargain in the longer term.

I agree. There's a good chance they'll sell him on and make good money for him. Not sure if I'd put any profit down to Jamestown though. I thought they are about unearthing hidden gems that are under valued. I imagine that all the Prem teams would have been aware of O' Reilly and could calculate a value for him easily enough themselves if they'd been interested so I don't think Jamestown has given them any particular advantage in this case.

Supposedly the transfer business done by USG is a better comparison with what Hearts might achieve. Personally I'd be surprised if it makes much difference, it will be interesting to see.

[7Hero]

Just find the best scout in Scotland and offer him Kensell's wage, sure that will be enough.

forget the data. load of mince

[Ribs1875]

This is another example of the ongoing issue with football being over analysed to death. Long gone are the days football teams used to train in public parks, whilst getting their cars dirty after each session.

These concepts as good as they are presented are a regurgitated way of scouting/recruiting players. It's like when a takeaway decided to stop using tin foil and turn to plastic tubs to serve their food.

[Sioux]

100%!!!


Posted this on another thread - As usual it’s Jumbo hyperbole that the media love to latch onto. Everyone thinks this amazing software has magically whisked Brighton to dizzy heights in the PL


its all about the money - they have invested half a Billion to err.. be mid table in the PL


Total Investments in Premier League Clubs (Purchase Price + Owner Funding):


Clubs listed from highest to lowest total investment:

Chelsea: Purchase Price £2,500m + Owner Funding £146m = £2,646m
Manchester City: Purchase Price £1,300m + Owner Funding £200m = £1,500m
Arsenal: Purchase Price £1,000m + Owner Funding £259m = £1,259m
Fulham: Purchase Price £788m + Owner Funding £150m = £938m
Everton: Purchase Price £750m + Owner Funding £128m = £878m
Manchester United: Purchase Price £800m + Owner Funding £45m = £845m
Aston Villa: Purchase Price £522m + Owner Funding £60m = £582m
Newcastle United: Purchase Price £300m + Owner Funding £266m = £566m
Brighton: Purchase Price £494m + Owner Funding £18m = £512m
Leicester City: Purchase Price £444m + Owner Funding £40m = £484m
Liverpool: Purchase Price £300m + Owner Funding £136m = £436m
Crystal Palace: Purchase Price £278m + Owner Funding £0m = £278m
Wolves: Purchase Price £243m + Owner Funding £0m = £243m
Bournemouth: Purchase Price £213m + Owner Funding £0m = £213m
West Ham United: Purchase Price £206m + Owner Funding £0m = £206m
Tottenham Hotspur: Purchase Price £194m + Owner Funding £0m = £194m
Southampton: Purchase Price £185m + Owner Funding £0m = £185m
Nottingham Forest: Purchase Price £162m + Owner Funding £0m = £162m
Brentford: Purchase Price £124m + Owner Funding £0m = £124m
Ipswich Town: Purchase Price £123m + Owner Funding £0m = £123m

I don't see how you can proclaim that Brighton had investment of half a billion, considering the purchase money was paid to previous owners/shareholders and not the club. The same applies to all others.

In Man United's case, the purchase money was actually a series of loans, which is why the Glazers became even more rich than they were, and were hated by MU fans.

[Sergio sledge]

I don't see how you can proclaim that Brighton had investment of half a billion, considering the purchase money was paid to previous owners/shareholders and not the club. The same applies to all others.

In Man United's case, the purchase money was actually a series of loans, which is why the Glazers became even more rich than they were, and were hated by MU fans.

I haven't check the others, but Brighton figures are the wrong way round, the purchase price was relatively low.

[gbhibby]

Their analytics will be biggest and best analytics as is their take on everything.

[Sioux]

I haven't check the others, but Brighton figures are the wrong way round, the purchase price was relatively low.

Probably because of this?

"Earning promotion to the Premier League was predictably transformative for Brighton: in 2019, the value of the club rose to £224m ($279m), local newspaper The Argus reported.

However, the club recorded losses of £270m ($336m) in the four seasons to 2021/22, their accounts showed, and remained highly reliant on Bloom, to whom they were £499m ($621m) in debt at that point."

This is why I doubt the accuracy of those figures.

[green day]

Last 5 years Net transfers for teams in the premier

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/fuenfjahresvergleich/wettbewerb/GB1

Actually, having got back and checked my post, it was net transfers since they got back to the EPL 7 years ago.

Net loss of £246m

Which is fine, as the English TV money and Bloom can handle that.

As a general point - and no English commentator will want to hear this - Celtic from our diddy backwater league have made a net profit of £26m in the same period.

[Tyler Durden]

Actually, having got back and checked my post, it was net transfers since they got back to the EPL 7 years ago.

Net loss of £246m

Which is fine, as the English TV money and Bloom can handle that.

As a general point - and no English commentator will want to hear this - Celtic from our diddy backwater league have made a net profit of £26m in the same period.

And over the same period the value of Brighton's squad has increased by £400m+.

[Paulie Walnuts]

And over the same period the value of Brighton's squad has increased by £400m+.

:agree:

[green day]

And over the same period the value of Brighton's squad has increased by £400m+.

Would be a surprise if they hadnt increased the value considerably, given the outlay.

To continue my analogy re Celtic, the MV of their squad over the same period has gone from about £70m to £125m......and with a £26m net profit on sales.

I said further up that Blooms tech is obviously good - but lets not pretend that he is the only person that can play this game, Celtic have been doing it for years, and imo with more relative success.

[Tyler Durden]

Would be a surprise if they hadnt increased the value considerably, given the outlay.

To continue my analogy re Celtic, the MV of their squad over the same period has gone from about £70m to £125m......and with a £26m net profit on sales.

I said further up that Blooms tech is obviously good - but lets not pretend that he is the only person that can play this game, Celtic have been doing it for years, and imo with more relative success.

Agreed :agree:

Do think that value for Celtic is a bit generous though. I think they have Engels and Kuhn as real assets. Not many teams are rushing to buy any of the Japanese players or CCV for example IMO, think they'll have more value at Celtic and they would struggle to realise more than £10m for any of them.

[green day]

Agreed :agree:

Do think that value for Celtic is a bit generous though. I think they have Engels and Kuhn as real assets. Not many teams are rushing to buy any of the Japanese players or CCV for example IMO, think they'll have more value at Celtic and they would struggle to realise more than £10m for any of them.

Yep, I dont disagree - to be honest, I find a lot of the transfer valuations a bit wild - if you want a real giggle, have a look at ours !

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/hibernian-fc/kader/verein/903