Celtic disgrace themselves again

[Islington Hibs]

Not much to celebtarte yesterday but I was pleased that both St Mirren and Hibernian supporters completely repected the minutes silence as one would hope. On the other hand some Celtic supporters behaviour today was just about as disrespectiful as one might expect from them. A disgrace (again)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/11/10/celtic-fans-remembrance-sunday-tribute-pro-ira-palestine/

[BoomtownHibees]

“Gets the popcorn ready”

[brianmc]

And repeat.... 🙄

[Glory Lurker]

They are a disgrace.

[Gatecrasher]

As they do every week, just ignore them and move on. They love the attention.

[Bobby's Cinema]

McInnes calling them out post match not happy.

[BILLYHIBS]

Weirdos

[JohnM1875]

Bunch of freaks man, have to imagine 95% of them will be Scottish as well.

[Carheenlea]

It’s now getting beyond the capabilities of fans of The Old Firm to deal with. Be that with an endeavour to disrupt or to turn the event into a jingoistic, triumphalist jamboree - subject of course to which club you follow and feel the obligation to fall in line with what narrative is expected as an extension of your footballing allegiance.

There will have been many inside Easter Road and other grounds yesterday who perhaps share the views of the “Green Brigade” on the Middle East crisis, but wouldn’t consider disrupting a minutes silence, and similarly many who like to acknowledge Remembrance Sunday by observing some quiet reflection, perhaps wearing a poppy, but would stop way short of festooning their houses with “Lest we Forget” decorations and bunting.

The more Celtic disrupt, the more Rangers ramp up the celebratory militarism. It’s pantomime stuff which just makes you so glad you’re not an Old Firm fan. For outsiders looking in though, they may think the whole country is like this, which doesn’t reflect well on Scotland unfortunately.

[Pretty Boy]

It’s now getting beyond the capabilities of fans of The Old Firm to deal with. Be that with an endeavour to disrupt or to turn the event into a jingoistic, triumphalist jamboree - subject of course to which club you follow and feel the obligation to fall in line with what narrative is expected as an extension of your footballing allegiance.

There will have been many inside Easter Road and other grounds yesterday who perhaps share the views of the “Green Brigade” on the Middle East crisis, but wouldn’t consider disrupting a minutes silence, and similarly many who like to acknowledge Remembrance Sunday by observing some quiet reflection, perhaps wearing a poppy, but would stop way short of festooning their houses with “Lest we Forget” decorations and bunting.

The more Celtic disrupt, the more Rangers ramp up the celebratory militarism. It’s pantomime stuff which just makes you so glad you’re not an Old Firm fan. For outsiders looking in though, they may think the whole country is like this, which doesn’t reflect well on Scotland unfortunately.

Spot on.

[bod]

Any official comment from them ?

[hibee_girl]

Any official comment from them ?

Is there ever?

[He's here!]

They should just announce beforehand that due to the inability of today's away support to act like civilised human beings the silence will be held at another home fixture.

Do Celtic themselves attempt to stage a silence when they're at home?

[truehibernian]

They should just announce beforehand that due to the inability of today's away support to act like civilised human beings the silence will be held at another home fixture.

Do Celtic themselves attempt to stage a silence when they're at home?

This 👍 that would confuse the **** out of them and create faux rage - love this idea 👍

[Pretty Boy]

They should just announce beforehand that due to the inability of today's away support to act like civilised human beings the silence will be held at another home fixture.

Do Celtic themselves attempt to stage a silence when they're at home?

The Celtic Foundation makes a sizable donation to Poppy Scotland every year.

Several Celtic players were killed in WWI and, as much as these things matter, it was likely that many more Celtic fans than Rangers fans died in the conflict as the latter were far more likely to be employed in a reserved occupations such as shipbuilding. Probably something the Celtic fans who interrupted today's silence would do well to consider.

I find elements of Remembrance a bit grotesque now, there has undoubtedly been a politicisation in recent years and it has morphed into a weird 'Poppy day' celebration for some, particularly on social media. At it's heart though it's still a chance to stand and reflect on a generation of men sent to the slaughter to fight a capitalist war and later sent to defeat fascism in Europe. Standing quietly for a minute or 2 really isn't too much to ask all things considered.

[truehibernian]

The Celtic Foundation makes a sizable donation to Poppy Scotland every year.

Several Celtic players were killed in WWI and, as much as these things matter, it was likely that many more Celtic fans than Rangers fans died in the conflict as the latter were far more likely to be employed in a reserved occupations such as shipbuilding. Probably something the Celtic fans who interrupted today's silence would do well to consider.

I find elements of Remembrance a bit grotesque now, there has undoubtedly been a politicisation in recent years and it has morphed into a weird 'Poppy day' celebration for some, particularly on social media. At it's heart though it's still a chance to stand and reflect on a generation of men sent to the slaughter to fight a capitalist war and later sent to defeat fascism in Europe. Standing quietly for a minute or 2 really isn't too much to ask all things considered.

They should be releasing a statement deploring fans behaviour PB - compounded by the fact their support probably doesn’t know about donations etc. Their behaviour was disgusting and should always be called out.

[Lancs Harp]

RIP
John Aitken
Robert Rollo
Adam Miller
Dick Harker
Patrick Hagan
James Greechan
John Frail
Walter Fairgrieve
Bobby Atherton.

All Hibs players or former Hibs players who were killed in WW1.
Working class lads like most if us who gave their lives in perhaps the most ridiculous conflict of all time.

Bobby Atherton was our Captain when we won Scottish Cup in 1902.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

The Celtic Foundation makes a sizable donation to Poppy Scotland every year.

Several Celtic players were killed in WWI and, as much as these things matter, it was likely that many more Celtic fans than Rangers fans died in the conflict as the latter were far more likely to be employed in a reserved occupations such as shipbuilding. Probably something the Celtic fans who interrupted today's silence would do well to consider.

I find elements of Remembrance a bit grotesque now, there has undoubtedly been a politicisation in recent years and it has morphed into a weird 'Poppy day' celebration for some, particularly on social media. At it's heart though it's still a chance to stand and reflect on a generation of men sent to the slaughter to fight a capitalist war and later sent to defeat fascism in Europe. Standing quietly for a minute or 2 really isn't too much to ask all things considered.

Came here to make these exact points, you’ve worded it far better than I could though.


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[LancsHibs]

RIP
John Aitken
Robert Rollo
Adam Miller
Dick Harker
Patrick Hagan
James Greechan
John Frail
Walter Fairgrieve
Bobby Atherton.

All Hibs players or former Hibs players who were killed in WW1.
Working class lads like most if us who gave their lives in perhaps the most ridiculous conflict of all time.

Bobby Atherton was our Captain when we won Scottish Cup in 1902.

Hear hear, Lest we forget

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

They would have been better having the minute's silence and then letting the Celtc effluent into the ground. I'd like to see clubs in a position to say that they don't want Celtc fans in their ground for remembrance day games.

[Nicho87]

Why did you boo

I don’t know but my dad did it

Morons

[He's here!]

The Celtic Foundation makes a sizable donation to Poppy Scotland every year.

Several Celtic players were killed in WWI and, as much as these things matter, it was likely that many more Celtic fans than Rangers fans died in the conflict as the latter were far more likely to be employed in a reserved occupations such as shipbuilding. Probably something the Celtic fans who interrupted today's silence would do well to consider.

I find elements of Remembrance a bit grotesque now, there has undoubtedly been a politicisation in recent years and it has morphed into a weird 'Poppy day' celebration for some, particularly on social media. At it's heart though it's still a chance to stand and reflect on a generation of men sent to the slaughter to fight a capitalist war and later sent to defeat fascism in Europe. Standing quietly for a minute or 2 really isn't too much to ask all things considered.

Do Celtic not make the point about their own club's sacrifice to the fans in that case? Or does it just fall on deaf ears?

[Glory Lurker]

Have Celtc ever been drawn at home since the silence at matches was introduced?

[One Day Soon]

It’s now getting beyond the capabilities of fans of The Old Firm to deal with. Be that with an endeavour to disrupt or to turn the event into a jingoistic, triumphalist jamboree - subject of course to which club you follow and feel the obligation to fall in line with what narrative is expected as an extension of your footballing allegiance.

There will have been many inside Easter Road and other grounds yesterday who perhaps share the views of the “Green Brigade” on the Middle East crisis, but wouldn’t consider disrupting a minutes silence, and similarly many who like to acknowledge Remembrance Sunday by observing some quiet reflection, perhaps wearing a poppy, but would stop way short of festooning their houses with “Lest we Forget” decorations and bunting.

The more Celtic disrupt, the more Rangers ramp up the celebratory militarism. It’s pantomime stuff which just makes you so glad you’re not an Old Firm fan. For outsiders looking in though, they may think the whole country is like this, which doesn’t reflect well on Scotland unfortunately.

You are exactly right. And of course this twisted binary perpetuated in this way serves another much more cynical purpose - it helps sustain the division across Scotland and beyond which gives these two cancers their massively bigger revenue base than all other clubs. It’s moronic, historically dumb and nakedly economic in purpose.

[Berwickhibby]

As a former solider and a member of the Royal British Legion , I hate the way the poppy appeal has been hijacked politically. It’s meant to be an act of remembrance for the fallen.
I wear my poppy with pride and was proud they way the minutes silence was observed at Easter Road on Saturday. Personally I would like this act of remembrance removed from football and back to war memorials in order for those who choose to attend can without fear of someone disrespecting the silence.

[Hibernia&Alba]

It’s now getting beyond the capabilities of fans of The Old Firm to deal with. Be that with an endeavour to disrupt or to turn the event into a jingoistic, triumphalist jamboree - subject of course to which club you follow and feel the obligation to fall in line with what narrative is expected as an extension of your footballing allegiance.

There will have been many inside Easter Road and other grounds yesterday who perhaps share the views of the “Green Brigade” on the Middle East crisis, but wouldn’t consider disrupting a minutes silence, and similarly many who like to acknowledge Remembrance Sunday by observing some quiet reflection, perhaps wearing a poppy, but would stop way short of festooning their houses with “Lest we Forget” decorations and bunting.

The more Celtic disrupt, the more Rangers ramp up the celebratory militarism. It’s pantomime stuff which just makes you so glad you’re not an Old Firm fan. For outsiders looking in though, they may think the whole country is like this, which doesn’t reflect well on Scotland unfortunately.

Correct, it is pantomime stuff. Puerile in the extreme and an insult to the meaning of the occasion.

[HarpOnHibee]

Remembrance Day should be about Remembrance Day and nothing else. Unfortunately some feel the need to use it as a tool. Whether it's to make an anti-war statement or a pro-war statement. Regardless of where the morals of the matter lay, that's not what Remembrance Day is for.

[hibee-boys]

But….but…..but….they donate lots of funds blah blah blah. Money to try and make the club feel better about themselves no doubt.

[Houston7]

Not much to celebtarte yesterday but I was pleased that both St Mirren and Hibernian supporters completely repected the minutes silence as one would hope. On the other hand some Celtic supporters behaviour today was just about as disrespectiful as one might expect from them. A disgrace (again)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/11/10/celtic-fans-remembrance-sunday-tribute-pro-ira-palestine/

The respect shown by the Hibs & St Mirren supporters yesterday was the best I’ve experienced in 70 years of watching Scottish football. It’s good that we have something to be proud of at Easter Road in the current climate.

[Hibrandenburg]

As a former solider and a member of the Royal British Legion , I hate the way the poppy appeal has been hijacked politically. It’s meant to be an act of remembrance for the fallen.
I wear my poppy with pride and was proud they way the minutes silence was observed at Easter Road on Saturday. Personally I would like this act of remembrance removed from football and back to war memorials in order for those who choose to attend can without fear of someone disrespecting the silence.

Hear hear, the whole sombre and respectful symbolism of remembrance has been lost in a bizarre circus of virtue signalling where fuds country wide try and outdo each other. It's descended into a political stick to beat opponents with.

[Onion]

They should just announce beforehand that due to the inability of today's away support to act like civilised human beings the silence will be held at another home fixture.

Do Celtic themselves attempt to stage a silence when they're at home?

or that "a minute's silence was held earlier at Celtic Park in remembrance, free from any disturbances" :greengrin

[JOD]

The club condones the behaviour.
Why are Celtic the only club that don't have a poppy on their strip In the first place ???
That is a club decision.

[Se7enUp]

The club condones the behaviour.
Why are Celtic the only club that don't have a poppy on their strip In the first place ???
That is a club decision.

Are you saying every individual must wear a poppy? If not, why should an organisation? Must every organisation have a poppy display?

[Se7enUp]

Remembrance Day should be about Remembrance Day and nothing else. Unfortunately some feel the need to use it as a tool. Whether it's to make an anti-war statement or a pro-war statement. Regardless of where the morals of the matter lay, that's not what Remembrance Day is for.

Blame Blair (and his New Labour mates) whose schemings to mute opposition to his wars by conflating anti-war sentiment with anti-military, and hence anti-veterans - Armed Forces (previously Veterans) Day. All subsequent governments have fully bought into it. Personally, I've refused to wear a poppy since it was started in 2006.

[Donegal Hibby]

McInnes calling them out post match not happy.

No issues with that at all though after 4 or 5 years at the other lot as a player and doing media coverage on their games I do wonder how unhappy he is about them too ?

[Broxburn Greens]

The Celtic Foundation makes a sizable donation to Poppy Scotland every year.

Several Celtic players were killed in WWI and, as much as these things matter, it was likely that many more Celtic fans than Rangers fans died in the conflict as the latter were far more likely to be employed in a reserved occupations such as shipbuilding. Probably something the Celtic fans who interrupted today's silence would do well to consider.

I find elements of Remembrance a bit grotesque now, there has undoubtedly been a politicisation in recent years and it has morphed into a weird 'Poppy day' celebration for some, particularly on social media. At it's heart though it's still a chance to stand and reflect on a generation of men sent to the slaughter to fight a capitalist war and later sent to defeat fascism in Europe. Standing quietly for a minute or 2 really isn't too much to ask all things considered.

Absolutely spot on. Top post.

[Broxburn Greens]

These Celtic “supporters” don’t know how lucky they are in reality.

They live in a country with a stable democracy where you are (reasonably) free to take a view and voice that view (such as booing a minutes silence or singing “ooh, ah up the RA” on Remembrance Day).

They live in a country that is as free from the threat of war or invasion as any can be, I doubt they ponder why that it is.

Heaven forbid an enemy nation ever invaded the UK, do these idiots think it would be the “RA” coming to their defence? No, they’d be the first squealing for the UK (&US) military to defend them and protect their way of life.

Imagine being the veterans or the active service personnel at Rugby Park yesterday? A little respect costs nothing, if they don’t like it they could turn their back on the silence.

[Bostonhibby]

Hear hear, the whole sombre and respectful symbolism of remembrance has been lost in a bizarre circus of virtue signalling where fuds country wide try and outdo each other. It's descended into a political stick to beat opponents with.Agree with this, down here it's got a bit obsessive year on year, the symbolism has grown way beyond actual poppies and extends for a longer period, some seem to think that the more you have on show the bigger the patriot you are and Remembrance can feel secondary to that.

It's common to see the flying of the union Jack-sometimes the wrong way round.

I'll always donate to the RBL as I have had family who served and I respect everyone who did the same and suffered injury or loss, but have decided not to wear the actual poppy, and have done the same again this year

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[Broxburn Greens]

Agree with this, down here it's got a bit obsessive year on year, the symbolism has grown way beyond actual poppies and extends for a longer period, some seem to think that the more you have on show the bigger the patriot you are and Remembrance can feel secondary to that.

It's common to see the flying of the union Jack-sometimes the wrong way round.

I'll always donate to the RBL as I have had family who served and I respect everyone who did the same and suffered injury or loss, but have decided not to wear the actual poppy, and have done the same again this year

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Agree, the over use of the simple poppy symbol & Remembrance Day has in fact become somewhat macabre in recent years.

The whole point is to pay a brief respect and remember those who have fallen in service of the defence of the UK and then go about your day free, because that’s what they fought for.

Bunting for Remembrance Day just blows my mind, bunting represents a celebration to me and that is one thing Remembrance Day is not meant to be.

[Since452]

Why are they so weird?

[Bostonhibby]

Why are they so weird?They will have copied whatever it is from somewhere, or someone, else.

It's the celtc way.

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[Pretty Boy]

Agree with this, down here it's got a bit obsessive year on year, the symbolism has grown way beyond actual poppies and extends for a longer period, some seem to think that the more you have on show the bigger the patriot you are and Remembrance can feel secondary to that.

It's common to see the flying of the union Jack-sometimes the wrong way round.

I'll always donate to the RBL as I have had family who served and I respect everyone who did the same and suffered injury or loss, but have decided not to wear the actual poppy, and have done the same again this year

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I'm wary of taking this way off topic but I've often argued that I think some of the more macabre 'celebrations' of Rememberance are a result of the loss of those first hand accounts of life on the front line, and indeed at home, in the world wars, particularly the Great War.

I don't think some people appreciate just how much WWI changed Britain. A war that was painted initially as a bit of a Boy's Own adventure. Off to Europe, see France, give the Jerries a jolly good licking then home for Christmas dinner became a devastating organised slaughter. It emboldened many communities and changed their perception of the way things were in Britain. The Irish home rule movement was strengthened as men who only a generation before had seen their government abandon them as they starved were told it was their duty to fight for king and country. It saw the strengthening of socialist feeling on Red Clydeside and saw woman stand up against exploitative landlords in Glasgow and beyond. If you watch Pathe news footage at the outbreak of war it is celebratory, another war to be won for the empire. By the end every community had lost loved ones and the mood was sombre; yes there was celebrations that the war was over but 'never again' was a consideration in a way it hadn't been before. In the intervening years no one wanted another war; Chamberlain wasn't some spineless coward, he was a man who had witnessed a devastating war only a decade or so before and wanted to avoid a repeat at (almost) any cost. The reaction to the outbreak of the 2nd war was far more contemplative and fearful. People knew what to expect that time around.

I just don't see how decorating postboxes, putting figures of soldiers on stretchers in your garden, sticking poppies on the front of articulated lorries or indeed booing a minutes silence fits into any of that. The former feels a bit like a modern day white feather campaign; 'your not remembering hard enough you traitorous coward' and a return to envisaging war as a jolly jape whilst the latter just seems disrespectful to those men who were conscripted or shamed into joining a war effort they may well not have believed in. On that latter point whatever your views on the conduct of the British army and government in Ireland in both 1916-1921, throughout the troubles or indeed in conflicts around the world post 1945 it is surely not too much to ask to remain quiet for a moment to let someone else remember a relative in peace who may well have been an unwilling participant sent to die.

[Crunchie]

They would have been better having the minute's silence and then letting the Celtc effluent into the ground. I'd like to see clubs in a position to say that they don't want Celtc fans in their ground for remembrance day games.
:top marks The perfect solution

[Spike Mandela]

Hear hear, the whole sombre and respectful symbolism of remembrance has been lost in a bizarre circus of virtue signalling where fuds country wide try and outdo each other. It's descended into a political stick to beat opponents with.

This^^^^

My grandfathers, father and uncles all served in the first and second world war so I used to wear a poppy and kept my thoughts privately about them.

Now I don't bother as it's meaning is devalued by the culture wars surrounding it and the annual visit of the'poppy police' and all the other noise around it.

Another worthwhile tradition soiled by agendas, politics and hate.

[Pagan Hibernia]

I no longer wear poppys. Its just too entangled now with all the jingoistic nonsense that I hate.

But I always pause to reflect on all those (mostly young and working class) lives lost in the two world wars, the first needlessly as empires collided, the second to preserve some semblance of freedom in the face of tyranny. I will never not, and if it annoys celtic fans then thats just a bonus.

[expresso]

Funny how the keep politics out of football posters are missing on this thread.
By all means have remembrance services and events to honour our war dead.
However I’m not sure a football match is the perfect location for these.
Rightly or wrongly people with political leanings will also reflect on the colonial atrocities in Ireland and further afield of the British Empire during the silence.

[AndyM_1875]

As Hibs fans we have every right to choose to wear or not to wear the Poppy. It should not be political.
You can feel nauseated at the militaristic nonsense that Rangers peddle and similarly be utterly revolted by the behaviour of the Celtic troglodytes yesterday.
That's where I am basically.

I wear one for my family members who were killed at the Somme and those who came back shattered from the Great War.
Also as a Hibby I'll wear it for the men from our club who served and those died in that appalling war and for the Leith community who were devastated by the 1915 Gretna Rail Disaster.

And if that bothers some Celtic fans then I really don't care.

[Baader]

Good article about how football clubs got on board with it in 2003.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/nov/05/has-poppymania-gone-too-far

Regrettable that the poppy has been appropriated by the political right and demeaned to the point I will not wear one. One look at Ibrox with its disgusting displays, substituting rememberance and contemplation for some disingenuous token form of patriotism and far right bigoted nationalism is the extreme example. A complete affront to what it is supposed to be about and those who fell.

[He's here!]

As Hibs fans we have every right to choose to wear or not to wear the Poppy. It should not be political.
You can feel nauseated at the militaristic nonsense that Rangers peddle and similarly be utterly revolted by the behaviour of the Celtic troglodytes yesterday.
That's where I am basically.

I wear one for my family members who were killed at the Somme and those who came back shattered from the Great War.
Also as a Hibby I'll wear it for the men from our club who served and those died in that appalling war and for the Leith community who were devastated by the 1915 Gretna Rail Disaster.

And if that bothers some Celtic fans then I really don't care.

It isn't, or wasn't until more recently, seen as a political act. It was a far quieter, more respectful gesture and my own family's reasons for wearing of the poppy largely mirror the reasons you do.

As I said earlier I don't know why clubs hosting Celtic bother even hoping their fans might be capable of respecting a minutes silence. Their determination to drown out anyone's views but their own, while simultaneously forcing their own pro IRA/Hamas agenda down everyone's throats is nauseating.

[Clarence]

Poor misguided weirdos. None of us can appreciate the horrors those young men endured and the hardship that was felt by those they left behind. Whether it be the souls lost in the Gretna disaster or those in Macrae’s Battalion, we are in debt to their sacrifice.

[Pagan Hibernia]

It isn't, or wasn't until more recently, seen as a political act. It was a far quieter, more respectful gesture and my own family's reasons for wearing of the poppy largely mirror the reasons you do.

As I said earlier I don't know why clubs hosting Celtic bother even hoping their fans might be capable of respecting a minutes silence. Their determination to drown out anyone's views but their own, while simultaneously forcing their own pro IRA/Hamas agenda down everyone's throats is nauseating.

They are, collectively, the quintessential pub bore.

History as we all know is complex. Yet for this lot the only version that's legitimate is theirs.

[BILLYHIBS]

RIP
John Aitken
Robert Rollo
Adam Miller
Dick Harker
Patrick Hagan
James Greechan
John Frail
Walter Fairgrieve
Bobby Atherton.

All Hibs players or former Hibs players who were killed in WW1.
Working class lads like most if us who gave their lives in perhaps the most ridiculous conflict of all time.

Bobby Atherton was our Captain when we won Scottish Cup in 1902.

Not forgetting Bernard Donaghy and John McLaughlin who died as a result of their wounds sustained whilst serving in WW1

RIP

Alexander Sandy Grosert the only Hibs player to have served in McCrae’s Battalion won the Military Cross for conspicuous gallantry whilst serving as a Second Lieutenant in the Gordon Highlanders before returning to Easter Road

George Rae was awarded the Silver Medal of Military Valor

John Sharp won the Military Cross for conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty

Eight of the soldiers killed in the Gretna Green Train disaster involving the Leith Battalion had played for Hibs at one point

Our founder Michael Whelahan lost his youngest son George killed at Flanders on 21st March 1918

[Se7enUp]

I'm wary of taking this way off topic but I've often argued that I think some of the more macabre 'celebrations' of Rememberance are a result of the loss of those first hand accounts of life on the front line, and indeed at home, in the world wars, particularly the Great War.

I don't think some people appreciate just how much WWI changed Britain. A war that was painted initially as a bit of a Boy's Own adventure. Off to Europe, see France, give the Jerries a jolly good licking then home for Christmas dinner became a devastating organised slaughter. It emboldened many communities and changed their perception of the way things were in Britain. The Irish home rule movement was strengthened as men who only a generation before had seen their government abandon them as they starved were told it was their duty to fight for king and country. It saw the strengthening of socialist feeling on Red Clydeside and saw woman stand up against exploitative landlords in Glasgow and beyond. If you watch Pathe news footage at the outbreak of war it is celebratory, another war to be won for the empire. By the end every community had lost loved ones and the mood was sombre; yes there was celebrations that the war was over but 'never again' was a consideration in a way it hadn't been before. In the intervening years no one wanted another war; Chamberlain wasn't some spineless coward, he was a man who had witnessed a devastating war only a decade or so before and wanted to avoid a repeat at (almost) any cost. The reaction to the outbreak of the 2nd war was far more contemplative and fearful. People knew what to expect that time around.

I just don't see how decorating postboxes, putting figures of soldiers on stretchers in your garden, sticking poppies on the front of articulated lorries or indeed booing a minutes silence fits into any of that. The former feels a bit like a modern day white feather campaign; 'your not remembering hard enough you traitorous coward' and a return to envisaging war as a jolly jape whilst the latter just seems disrespectful to those men who were conscripted or shamed into joining a war effort they may well not have believed in. On that latter point whatever your views on the conduct of the British army and government in Ireland in both 1916-1921, throughout the troubles or indeed in conflicts around the world post 1945 it is surely not too much to ask to remain quiet for a moment to let someone else remember a relative in peace who may well have been an unwilling participant sent to die.

An excellent post. I do think that the likes of the strength of "red clydeside" may (ultimately) have been an unexpected outcome for the government. Their hope was that a national expedition in arms would somehow have pricked the bubble of the growing socialist/trade union movement. The government certainly got many organisations on board for their expedition, but people became very disillusioned soon enough, and rightly so.

[Ozyhibby]

Poppy police out in force again.[emoji849]


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[Bishop Hibee]

It’s now getting beyond the capabilities of fans of The Old Firm to deal with. Be that with an endeavour to disrupt or to turn the event into a jingoistic, triumphalist jamboree - subject of course to which club you follow and feel the obligation to fall in line with what narrative is expected as an extension of your footballing allegiance.

There will have been many inside Easter Road and other grounds yesterday who perhaps share the views of the “Green Brigade” on the Middle East crisis, but wouldn’t consider disrupting a minutes silence, and similarly many who like to acknowledge Remembrance Sunday by observing some quiet reflection, perhaps wearing a poppy, but would stop way short of festooning their houses with “Lest we Forget” decorations and bunting.

The more Celtic disrupt, the more Rangers ramp up the celebratory militarism. It’s pantomime stuff which just makes you so glad you’re not an Old Firm fan. For outsiders looking in though, they may think the whole country is like this, which doesn’t reflect well on Scotland unfortunately.

This 👏🏻

[Mcbizz1998]

**** club, supported by ****bags.

It was ever thus.

[The Harp Awakes]

Good article about how football clubs got on board with it in 2003.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/nov/05/has-poppymania-gone-too-far

Regrettable that the poppy has been appropriated by the political right and demeaned to the point I will not wear one. One look at Ibrox with its disgusting displays, substituting rememberance and contemplation for some disingenuous token form of patriotism and far right bigoted nationalism is the extreme example. A complete affront to what it is supposed to be about and those who fell.

That article is spot on. I remember when growing up as a kid in the 70s, like others I used to wear a poppy a day or 2 before remembrance day. The occasion was all about remembering the fallen from the 2 World Wars. The occasion was low key, reflective and respectful.

Sadly the the occasion and the symbols have been hijacked and politicised to the extent that they have lost their original meaning = remembrance. Everything is now much more in your face and the original 2 day event (the 11th & remembrance Sunday, when the dates were different) has now turned into a 2 week jamboree. I noticed BBC TV presenters started wearing poppies this year during the last week in October; a full 2 weeks before the 11 November. It's becoming obsessive and devalues what the 11 November was originally all about.

Celtic supporters reaction to the minute's silence yesterday was crass but so predictable. If they had half a brain cell they'd know that there were so many folk of Irish decent killed in the World Wars, many of them from Edinburgh and Glasgow. That said, there would be many on the other side of the divide who in advance of the game, would have been falling over themselves waiting to be offended and that is just as pathetic.

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That article is spot on. I remember when growing up as a kid in the 70s, like others I used to wear a poppy a day or 2 before remembrance day. The occasion was all about remembering the fallen from the 2 World Wars. The occasion was low key, reflective and respectful.

Sadly the the occasion and the symbols have been hijacked and politicised to the extent that they have lost their original meaning = remembrance. Everything is now much more in your face and the original 2 day event (the 11th & remembrance Sunday, when the dates were different) has now turned into a 2 week jamboree. I noticed BBC TV presenters started wearing poppies this year during the last week in October; a full 2 weeks before the 11 November. It's becoming obsessive and devalues what the 11 November was originally all about.

Celtic supporters reaction to the minute's silence yesterday was crass but so predictable. If they had half a brain cell they'd know that there were so many folk of Irish decent killed in the World Wars, many of them from Edinburgh and Glasgow. That said, there would be many on the other side of the divide who in advance of the game, would have been falling over themselves waiting to be offended and that is just as pathetic.

And don't forget Blair's Government's Armed Forces Day, happily scheduled 6 months prior to Remembrance Day, just to keep things ticking over and the anti-war factions at bay.

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Poor misguided weirdos. None of us can appreciate the horrors those young men endured and the hardship that was felt by those they left behind. Whether it be the souls lost in the Gretna disaster or those in Macrae’s Battalion, we are in debt to their sacrifice.

I think their argument would be that given its wider adoption as covering all conflict and celebrating the armed forces that the British army has itself carried out horrific acts in building the Empire and since. The history of Britain in Ireland I don’t think needs explained.
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Most of us don’t link that to football but for a team heavily associated with Ireland it isn’t hard to work out what their issue with it is.

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Thread closed, we are in to Holy Ground stuff now, feel free to carry on the discussion there.