Keeping kids interested

[He's here!]

Today was the earliest I've left a game. When the second goal went in my daughter (who'd been a bit reluctant to go in the first place) asked if we could leave so she could catch some friends going to the new Paddington movie at the Omni. I thought why the hell not salvage something from a dismal experience, walked her rapidly up the road and found myself having a pint at the Guildford before the second half had even started.

My two other kids stopped going a good while back and I do wonder when we'll next go back ourselves. What, really, is the incentive? The old 'the good times outweigh the bad times' mantra doesn't really wash when the bad times are pretty much ever present.

How do others with young kids keep them interested in something so uninspiring?

[NC1875]

My boy doesn’t even want to go. He loves football, whether it be playing or watching but has no interest in going to watch Hibs anymore.

I can’t really argue with him tbh.

[Murphys Touch]

Son came running downstairs in Hibs strip as soon as 2nd St Mirren goal went in.

Uncontrollably crying for next 10 mins “why are Hibs always rubbish”. I laugh it off saying “get used to it son” but their way of life is so different to ours was. I met my dad after his work every Saturday, stood outside the Coopers Rest while he had a few pints and then went to watch Keith Wright and Darren Jackson

My sons first game a few weeks ago cost us £120+ as a family, couldn’t get in anywhere before match and Hibs haven’t won since!!! He doesn’t want to go back just yet

[lugz]

Unfortunately think parents are finding it hard to remain interested never mind getting kids into it. Took my 3 today and the youngest just said she wants to stick to watching the womens team.

[Pretty Boy]

My daughter just likes spending time with me (odd child says her mother).

The football is a bit secondary really. We have our wee routine. Coffee and hot chocolate after swimming in the morning, home and changed, lunch from Greggs or similar, a pint if we get the bus or a juice if I take the car, game then pick up something nice for dinner on the way home.

She gets loaded up with sweets and gets to be the only child again for a couple of hours. She might well drift away, particularly when my son starts going regularly but for now I make it a bigger deal than just the football and she enjoys it and seems keen to go.

[ionahibby]

This is the problem long term for hibs. If kids aren’t interested now there’s fans who won’t be there when they’re adults. Thus the downward spiral begins. Look at certain clubs history in Scotland who had crowds well above the norm in 50s through to 70s who are in the low thousands now.

[Hibby70]

My son doesn't want to go (we are both season ticket holders). He plays football for a team at the weekend plus training 2x and plays every day at school.

I'm seriously considering not renewing as I'm also not enjoying the day (performances and persistent drumming being my main gripe).

Going to have to be some change at the club for me to change my mind. Reckon once I stop going that'll be it for me.

[TrinityHFC]

Today was the earliest I've left a game. When the second goal went in my daughter (who'd been a bit reluctant to go in the first place) asked if we could leave so she could catch some friends going to the new Paddington movie at the Omni. I thought why the hell not salvage something from a dismal experience, walked her rapidly up the road and found myself having a pint at the Guildford before the second half had even started.

My two other kids stopped going a good while back and I do wonder when we'll next go back ourselves. What, really, is the incentive? The old 'the good times outweigh the bad times' mantra doesn't really wash when the bad times are pretty much ever present.

How do others with young kids keep them interested in something so uninspiring?

I grew about watching Hibs in the late 70s and through the 80s. Then had the Miller years. Largely in a crumbling hole. They’ll survive.

[Nicho87]

Blame Leanne dempster getting all these kids interested in hibs when we took the cup round all the schools.

Now it’s get their piggy banks and pull the ladder up

[Real Emerald]

Paddington is on at the Cinema. 👍👍

[JimboHibs]

My lad 16 refuses to go , watches local Lowland League team says it's more enjoyable.When I was 16 me and my mates bled Hibs home & away.

[GreenCastle]

My daughter just likes spending time with me (odd child says her mother).

The football is a bit secondary really. We have our wee routine. Coffee and hot chocolate after swimming in the morning, home and changed, lunch from Greggs or similar, a pint if we get the bus or a juice if I take the car, game then pick up something nice for dinner on the way home.

She gets loaded up with sweets and gets to be the only child again for a couple of hours. She might well drift away, particularly when my son starts going regularly but for now I make it a bigger deal than just the football and she enjoys it and seems keen to go.

Nice story.

Think football is about more than the score line at times but winning and exciting moments definitely makes it better.

Being so crap and losing so often really is hard to take especially when so many kids wear glory hunter teams shirts. See more inter Miami shirts with Messi / Saudi tops with Ronaldo etc than Hibs shirts at times. Young ones seem to follow players not so much clubs anymore.

[snedzuk]

Guy in front of me brings his about 3 year old daughter, who spends the game looking back up at the stands - so at least there is no cruelty involved in making her watch the pitch.

[s2hart]

I took my 7 year old daughter to her first game last week, i thought it and should have been a proud moment for me, bought her a scarf but after not even 10 mins she just wanted to watch YouTube as she was bored. She will never want to go back now, it's a shame but life goes on.

[Silky]

My boy is 13. He loves football and we go whenever we can. He plays for a team at the weekend and trains 2 times a week. He wanted to be like me and my late dad and loves Hibs. I told him the stories of growing up as a Hibby, the disappointment, the frustration, the relegations. It didn't put him off.

He's quite resilient (maybe because he's a goalie), but nothing seems to phase him. He's accepted his life as a Hibby and now, after a defeat, just shrugs, tells me "Hibs are *****" and then talks about the next game.

He got hooked under Stubbs and Lennon and although the football is so much different, he's in it for the long haul. Poor wee guy!

[Northernhibee]

I don’t think it matters how much of a reset we have in the summer window and what league we’re in - apathy has truly set in and season ticket sales next season will be in the gutter.

I was going to post on another thread “I desperately hope I’m wrong but I fear it may be too late to turn this season around fully” but it’d be a lie - quite genuinely the largest feeling towards it all is past caring. It would be nice if there was a turnaround but the faith that it would be long term
Isn’t there.

I’ve found cheaper and more enjoyable things to do with a weekend day as of late and despite occasionally heading along it just feels like a waste of money to not have a good time.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Son came running downstairs in Hibs strip as soon as 2nd St Mirren goal went in.

Uncontrollably crying for next 10 mins “why are Hibs always rubbish”. I laugh it off saying “get used to it son” but their way of life is so different to ours was. I met my dad after his work every Saturday, stood outside the Coopers Rest while he had a few pints and then went to watch Keith Wright and Darren Jackson

My sons first game a few weeks ago cost us £120+ as a family, couldn’t get in anywhere before match and Hibs haven’t won since!!! He doesn’t want to go back just yet

I've always found the safari lounge quiet enough pre match and kid friendly. Fans in but never seem it rammed

[HibsIntl]

A golden generation may be needed, when that arrives, anyone’s guess.

[Just_Jimmy]

My daughter was born in September. Hibs haven't won in her life.

I've told the wife I'm not even introducing her to Hibs because 90% of the time they make me miserable and I don't want her feeling like I do ever because of a stupid football team that means nothing in the real world.



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[He's here!]

My son doesn't want to go (we are both season ticket holders). He plays football for a team at the weekend plus training 2x and plays every day at school.

I'm seriously considering not renewing as I'm also not enjoying the day (performances and persistent drumming being my main gripe).

Going to have to be some change at the club for me to change my mind. Reckon once I stop going that'll be it for me.

We're not season ticket holders but I can see today being a line in the sand when it comes to us going back together. She's realised it's just rubbish. We'll probably keep up with the women's games tho.

My sons, like your boy, play sport themselves and there's no question they find it a more enjoyable and fulfilling use of their time than sitting through consistently dreadful Hibs matches. The time, money and emotional effort spent hoping for better seems increasingly daft.

Who honestly looks forward to going to ER these days?

[Shrekko]

Football is deadly dull these days - there was far less other things to do in the past which maybe made it seem more exciting.

Older fans are just going out of habit or for social reasons.

Most of the kids around me at games are either on their iPads or banging empty seats up and down. Only time they’re happy is when the parents are dishing out the sweets.

[He's here!]

Football is deadly dull these days - there was far less other things to do in the past which maybe made it seem more exciting.

Older fans are just going out of habit or for social reasons.

Most of the kids around me at games are either on their iPads or banging empty seats up and down. Only time they’re happy is when the parents are dishing out the sweets.

Compared to when I first started going (when ER was a crumbling old wreck) there are way more wee ones being brought along to games. That should be a positive but as you say it's just deadly dull for them.

[mghibs]

My daughter just likes spending time with me (odd child says her mother).

The football is a bit secondary really. We have our wee routine. Coffee and hot chocolate after swimming in the morning, home and changed, lunch from Greggs or similar, a pint if we get the bus or a juice if I take the car, game then pick up something nice for dinner on the way home.

She gets loaded up with sweets and gets to be the only child again for a couple of hours. She might well drift away, particularly when my son starts going regularly but for now I make it a bigger deal than just the football and she enjoys it and seems keen to go.

Wee things like this are great to read, particularly when we are as bad on the park as we have been. This is what it’s all about really, and living abroad I miss going to the footy with friends and family. Sat watching this garbage alone in the flat at 10am every week is grim


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[LunasBoots]

Youngest decided hes going to support Celtic as Hibs are 'rubbish' after taking him multiple times last season (all defeats), oldest still supports us.

[overdrive]

That’s the Gordons’ legacy. Driving away young fans.

[percy veer]

For every child that's " not interested" there are 2 that are . Crowds are on the up god knows how with this guff.

[Allant1981]

Just don't think football is as important to kids now as when I was a laddie, my eldest is coming up 16 and has never been interested, so many options for kids now, when I was his age or a bit younger it pretty much was just football

[Gatecrasher]

Apparently the answer to this is to let them play games on your phone at full volume.

[Allant1981]

Apparently the answer to this is to let them play games on your phone at full volume.

I had this 2 rows in front of me, I thought someone had a radio on listening to the other games!!

[truehibernian]

My eldest and his mates don’t go to games anymore, they don’t enjoy the football and actually laugh at the thought of watching Hibs now. All in their mid 20’s and have completely lost interest following the club. Last weekend he didn’t even know the result, as he said to me, “Dad, why spoil my weekend” - club is driving supporters away. There’s a complete disconnect, no pride or passion emanating from the club, manager or players, even the media output is dull, boring, uninspiring and uncreative - like the team. The club has no soul anymore. I go because, well, I just do - I’ve fallen out of love with Hibs too if honest. Incredible turnaround and disconnect in the last 5 years. It’s very very sad.

[He's here!]

For every child that's " not interested" there are 2 that are . Crowds are on the up god knows how with this guff.

Our crowds are not on the up. They were spectacularly on the up after the Scottish Cup win and remained remarkably high even when the football turned to s**t, but fans just feel shafted by the Gordons now. If, as looks likely, we get relegated we'll see season ticket sales fall off a cliff. In fact even if we scrape our way to safety we'll still see sales plummet with these clowns at the helm.

[Keith_M]

I used to have season tickets for me and two of my nephews, which I happily paid for. I had to give that up a while back as the two of them lost interest ages ago and just stopped going.


Our attendances have actually held up remarkably well the last few years, despite the dull, uninspiring football and poor results, but I'd be surprised if that continued much longer

[He's here!]

I used to have season tickets for me and two of my nephews, which I happily paid for. I had to give that up a while back as the two of them lost interest ages ago and just stopped going.


Our attendances have actually held up remarkably well the last few years, despite the dull, uninspiring football and poor results, but I'd be surprised if that continued much longer

As I said in my original post we were gone as soon as the second goal went in - and we were far from the only ones. Yes it was sad that things have come to that but I'm not going to deny there was a sense of relief to leave that torture behind. It really hit home that dragging reluctant kids along to watch such a woeful spectacle is a pretty daft use of your Saturday afternoon.

[Itsnoteasy]

Maybe Bobby Williamson was right. Go to the pictures if you want to be entertained.

[Chorley Hibee]

I used to have season tickets for me and two of my nephews, which I happily paid for. I had to give that up a while back as the two of them lost interest ages ago and just stopped going.


Our attendances have actually held up remarkably well the last few years, despite the dull, uninspiring football and poor results, but I'd be surprised if that continued much longer

I genuinely think the crowds we post are complete works of fiction a lot of the time.

Yes, I appreciate it's tickets sold and not attendees, but I find it hard to believe there's thousands upon thousands of seasons ticket holders, every week, failing to attend.

They often announce 15k+ crowds on attendances that resemble something closer to 10/11k.

I can't believe that many people are buying tickets that they don't use.

You compare that to they first few seasons after the cup win, when the place was frequently full, and I mean properly full.

[He's here!]

I genuinely think the crowds we post are complete works of fiction a lot of the time.

Yes, I appreciate it's tickets sold and not attendees, but I find it hard to believe there's thousands upon thousands of seasons ticket holders, every week, failing to attend.

They often announce 15k+ crowds on attendances that resemble something closer to 10/11k.

I can't believe that many people are buying tickets that they don't use.

You compare that to they first few seasons after the cup win, when the place was frequently full, and I mean properly full.

I think you might be surprised by how many season ticket holders don't go. I know our old neighbours used to buy season tickets every season but I was surprised how rarely they actually went to the games. I think for some it's an investment in the club because they can afford it but they then pick and choose their games. Plenty are likely to be giving things a miss this season.

[He's here!]

Maybe Bobby Williamson was right. Go to the pictures if you want to be entertained.

It's certainly true when applied to this team. They look incapable of entertaining. My daughter certainly had far more fun/value for money at the cinema than at ER yesterday.

[Jones28]

My 2 love wearing their strips and have been to a couple of games, they’re both saying they want to go to a game and we might do Hibs kids next season but we will see how it goes.

Must be hard for people taking kids at the moment.

[Contador]

The rot has already set in in this regard in my afraid and it's only going to get worse.

Crowds at ER are pretty dire and nowhere near what we announce week to week. I used to attend with 8/9 of my ST holding mates. There is now 3 of us. Of those that have drifted away none take their kids.

For derbies and Hampden trips they'll return for the day out and on the chance we get a memorable result but that is it.

It really is a hard sell, and when you factor in what it costs compared to what you can do elsewhere with that money, its not hard to see why the club has a big problem on their hands for the future.

[CL0762]

When I was younger and started going, my whole week was geared to Hibs on a Saturday. Either going down to ER early to see the players and fill my autograph book or get on a coach and go to an away day somewhere with my Grandad. Taking my shoot or match magazines or even reading the papers. I was obsessed with football at any level and I had a near encyclopaedic knowledge of Scottish and English football.

My laddie is 14 and the complete opposite, even my stepson when we went to the Hearts game was like “who is that number 5? Who is that coming on”.

Kids just aren’t that interested anymore. Football is now available 24/7 thanks to YouTube etc.

Getting home on a Saturday night to watch La Liga and then MOTD to see these players once a week was a treat, now everything is available at their fingertips.

[Jakhog1]

Me, my wife and two kids went to the cinema to see Paddington, went out for dinner afterwards and cost us significantly less than a day out at Easter road, kids have no interest now in going and don't even ask anymore to go.

[He's here!]

The rot has already set in in this regard in my afraid and it's only going to get worse.

Crowds at ER are pretty dire and nowhere near what we announce week to week. I used to attend with 8/9 of my ST holding mates. There is now 3 of us. Of those that have drifted away none take their kids.

For derbies and Hampden trips they'll return for the day out and on the chance we get a memorable result but that is it.

It really is a hard sell, and when you factor in what it costs compared to what you can do elsewhere with that money, its not hard to see why the club has a big problem on their hands for the future.

So basically back to how things were in the early 80s when I remember being in home crowds of under 5k. The 85 Skol Cup final was the first time I'd been old enough to go through to Hampden with pals and I remember being amazed by how many Hibs fans turned out.

[He's here!]

Me, my wife and two kids went to the cinema to see Paddington, went out for dinner afterwards and cost us significantly less than a day out at Easter road, kids have no interest now in going and don't even ask anymore to go.

A far happier collective day than going to watch Hibs I'm sure (just a shame checking the Hibs score probably put a dampener on it. I've been known on days like that to not actually check the score so as not to undermine the vibe).

[hibsbollah]

My daughter just likes spending time with me (odd child says her mother).

The football is a bit secondary really. We have our wee routine. Coffee and hot chocolate after swimming in the morning, home and changed, lunch from Greggs or similar, a pint if we get the bus or a juice if I take the car, game then pick up something nice for dinner on the way home.

She gets loaded up with sweets and gets to be the only child again for a couple of hours. She might well drift away, particularly when my son starts going regularly but for now I make it a bigger deal than just the football and she enjoys it and seems keen to go.

This is very similar to my experience. I took my daughter regularly between ages 7-11, season ticket never missed a home game and rarely saw us win, the Calderwood/Fenlon/Butcher period tested your loyalty sometimes, but it was our time together and we’d sandwich it around some food and a trip into town. She’s away at uni now and she struggles to remember any of the players’ names except for Gary O’Connor and McGinn, and i doubt she was even paying much attention, but she told me she loved going. You got talking to folk next to you and the result didnt really matter. My son came later and he got a lot more into it and now goes with his mates.

Theres always been terrible teams and peaks and troughs in attendances but theres no existential threat to the club or anything, these things endure.

[mayo hibee]

Maybe Bobby Williamson was right. Go to the pictures if you want to be entertained.

There's two issues here - one is the continual mismanagement of the club driving supporters away and the second is a wider issue in Scottish football.

What I'm seeing even with kids in Glasgow now is that they're moving away from Scottish football, kids of diehard Celtic and Rangers fans supporting English and Spanish teams and just thinking that Scottish football is *****. Scottish football has had amazing attendances down the years relative to the population of the country, but it's not going to last. The next generation want to see the best players, not second rate crap. They wouldn't go to the cinema to watch a B movie so why would they watch Scottish football when the greatest players on the planet are available on TV every weekend and in the flesh three hours down the road? Closer again to Edinburgh as Newcastle improve. And who can blame them. Major changes ahead in Scottish club football I'd expect, and not in a good way.

[Jay]

The club have only got themselves to blame. My grandson loved Hibs, he's 5 so hasn't seen too many wins but still loved coming along to games and cheering the team on.
He lived in his hibs kit and training gear, was over the moon with the hat and scarf he got over 2 years as a hibs kid, he wore his hat constantly and told everybody "Joey Noodle"sent him it as there was a note from Joe Newell with it. . He was so invested. Wore his kit with pride and knew all the players names and numbers .
This year they've let him down. They don't stock any training kit or even leisure wear in his size, I got the 3rd kit for him eventually but he can't wear that everywhere he goes. The hibs kids stuff was poor, a 5 page activity pamphlet thing, couldn't call it a book which he showed no interest in. He now takes his kindle and rarely watches the game. How can I keep him interested when they won't invest in him?

[Chorley Hibee]

The club have only got themselves to blame. My grandson loved Hibs, he's 5 so hasn't seen too many wins but still loved coming along to games and cheering the team on.
He lived in his hibs kit and training gear, was over the moon with the hat and scarf he got over 2 years as a hibs kid, he wore his hat constantly and told everybody "Joey Noodle"sent him it as there was a note from Joe Newell with it. . He was so invested. Wore his kit with pride and knew all the players names and numbers .
This year they've let him down. They don't stock any training kit or even leisure wear in his size, I got the 3rd kit for him eventually but he can't wear that everywhere he goes. The hibs kids stuff was poor, a 5 page activity pamphlet thing, couldn't call it a book which he showed no interest in. He now takes his kindle and rarely watches the game. How can I keep him interested when they won't invest in him?

I've mentioned this frequently regards the club shop this season.

My daughter just turned 5, and they still have absolutely nothing in her size.

The shop staff told me they won't be stocking anything either.

Another successful change by the club.

[He's here!]

This is very similar to my experience. I took my daughter regularly between ages 7-11, season ticket never missed a home game and rarely saw us win, the Calderwood/Fenlon/Butcher period tested your loyalty sometimes, but it was our time together and we’d sandwich it around some food and a trip into town. She’s away at uni now and she struggles to remember any of the players’ names except for Gary O’Connor and McGinn, and i doubt she was even paying much attention, but she told me she loved going. You got talking to folk next to you and the result didnt really matter. My son came later and he got a lot more into it and now goes with his mates.

Theres always been terrible teams and peaks and troughs in attendances but theres no existential threat to the club or anything, these things endure.

This feels like more than just (another) bad patch. The club the Gordons took charge of was in probably the best shape of its life to really make strides. Instead we're heading towards relegation after years of hapless stewardship and wasting millions in player fees and wages. Keeping these chancers in charge actually DOES make me fear for the future viability of our club.

I get what you're saying about spending time with your daughter but if the general consensus were to be that the result doesn't really matter and that better times will come then we're heading down a very dangerous road.

For me the biggest difficulty facing anyone taking kids is that it's such a c**p way to spend time with them. Celebrating goals is a big part of the day but we rarely even have a shot on target. It's utterly boring.

[TrinityHFC]

This feels like more than just (another) bad patch. The club the Gordons took charge of was in probably the best shape of its life to really make strides. Instead we're heading towards relegation after years of hapless stewardship and wasting millions in player fees and wages. Keeping these chancers in charge actually DOES make me fear for the future viability of our club.

I get what you're saying about spending time with your daughter but if the general consensus were to be that the result doesn't really matter and that better times will come then we're heading down a very dangerous road.

For me the biggest difficulty facing anyone taking kids is that it's such a c**p way to spend time with them. Celebrating goals is a big part of the day but we rarely even have a shot on target. It's utterly boring.

The club was nowhere near in the best shape to make strides. We’d already failed to build on winning the cup on and off the pitch. The stadium needed a lot of work, we were struggling to get money in and recruitment and picking managers wasn’t in a good place either.

Yes we all want to do better on the pitch but there’s an over stated degree of panic on here over the club in general, which is actually in very good shape.

If you want people to be protesting then I think that will be difficult without being pretty clear what the planned outcome is. From what I can see every single person at the club is a potential target so how are people going to agree what they want to happen next?

[He's here!]

The club was nowhere near in the best shape to make strides. We’d already failed to build on winning the cup on and off the pitch. The stadium needed a lot of work, we were struggling to get money in and recruitment and picking managers wasn’t in a good place either.

Yes we all want to do better on the pitch but there’s an over stated degree of panic on here over the club in general, which is actually in very good shape.

If you want people to be protesting then I think that will be difficult without being pretty clear what the planned outcome is. From what I can see every single person at the club is a potential target so how are people going to agree what they want to happen next?

In what way is the club in very good shape? Everything ultimately depends upon what goes on on the pitch. Season after season of dross, with relegation now looking a very strong possibility, drains resources from season tickets, hospitality and merchandise. The millions we're throwing at players can't be sustained without some sort of upturn in our results.

The infrastructure for the matchday experience may be sound (although it sounds from other posters with kids that the shop is on the slide) but the product is garbage. We won't be in great shape indefinitely the way things are on the pitch.

[BlackSheep]

It’s not even December yet and I am definitely not renewing next season at this rate. I am the last of my group of 6 mates to maintain my ST and weekly attendance… I even bought a ST for my daughter when she was born so we could sit together and go every week… she is now 8 and has other commitments at the weekend that leave her reluctant to come to the games with me at the sacrifice of other things… kids that young don’t want to be around a bunch of grumpy adults, booing and cursing the team on the park…. Not to mention the lack of exciting play on the pitch.

Well done Gordons and Kensell, you’ve successfully stemmed interest from the next generation… it won’t be long until all the commercial ’success’ you have brought to the club dissipates as well… who will want to sponsor or put their name to a club in such a mess.

[Malonga's Cat]

My daughter just likes spending time with me (odd child says her mother).

The football is a bit secondary really. We have our wee routine. Coffee and hot chocolate after swimming in the morning, home and changed, lunch from Greggs or similar, a pint if we get the bus or a juice if I take the car, game then pick up something nice for dinner on the way home.

She gets loaded up with sweets and gets to be the only child again for a couple of hours. She might well drift away, particularly when my son starts going regularly but for now I make it a bigger deal than just the football and she enjoys it and seems keen to go.

Love this and sounds pretty similar to what I have with my wee one. I'm just hoping it lasts. Already difficult given the product on the pitch and the new 'family' section which sees some characters sitting in amongst (mostly for the hearts and Celtic game). Had to explain to my wee one that the new C word the bloke behind her shouted several times was not ok and that threatening to fight people based on their illegitimacy and west coast origins was probably an empty threat.

Families not top of the Gordon's priority list clearly but block 7 and hospitality is going well.

[Coco Bryce]

As soon as my kids got into their early to mid teens and understood what they were watching they chucked Hibs. Last season was the final nail in the coffin for my youngest.

[He's here!]

As soon as my kids got into their early to mid teens and understood what they were watching they chucked Hibs. Last season was the final nail in the coffin for my youngest.

Others may disagree but I enjoyed taking the kids to games at ER in the Championship. A group of parents bought Hibs Kids tickets and we all had fun going as a group, with Hibs winning more often than not.

What young child is going to gain any enjoyment from what's on show these days?!

[Shrekko]

I think you might be surprised by how many season ticket holders don't go. I know our old neighbours used to buy season tickets every season but I was surprised how rarely they actually went to the games. I think for some it's an investment in the club because they can afford it but they then pick and choose their games. Plenty are likely to be giving things a miss this season.

Didn’t Leeann Dempster say around 15% or ST holder were missing most weeks when she was there? And that’s when things were much better.

Think loads of folk buy them cheap for kids who rarely attend.

Supposedly 15k there yesterday when and I’m guessing there was around 10k. The counted non-attendees are highly likely to be ST holders and not folk who bought a single game ticket. That’s pretty scary.

[hibsbollah]

This feels like more than just (another) bad patch. The club the Gordons took charge of was in probably the best shape of its life to really make strides. Instead we're heading towards relegation after years of hapless stewardship and wasting millions in player fees and wages. Keeping these chancers in charge actually DOES make me fear for the future viability of our club.

I get what you're saying about spending time with your daughter but if the general consensus were to be that the result doesn't really matter and that better times will come then we're heading down a very dangerous road.

For me the biggest difficulty facing anyone taking kids is that it's such a c**p way to spend time with them. Celebrating goals is a big part of the day but we rarely even have a shot on target. It's utterly boring.

Butcher was horrendous, we actually DID get relegated. Calderwood was awful that season me and little miss bollah saw 1 win out of 16 home games attended :faf: bits of Yogi and Mixu were bad too. I’d say the disconnect between the block 7 lads and the other fans gives a new dynamic of misery but we’ve had equally bad runs before.

[Lancs Harp]

Just remember these kids will be Hibs long after Kensall and co arent.

If its in your blood its in your blood as oppose to being in your pay packet.

We are Hibs.

[JoeT]

I remember my daughters first game. We were 3 nil up against Ross County after half an hour. We sit behind the dugouts and the Ross County manager didn't stop shouting at his players. Really tedious. At the time I tried to explain that he had previously had a really good job but managed to make a mess of it by sending lots of really bad text messages. She understood racism but I had to break down misogyny a bit for her....what do I tell her in the morning when they announce he's going to be in our home dugout for a while.....?

[He's here!]

Butcher was horrendous, we actually DID get relegated. Calderwood was awful that season me and little miss bollah saw 1 win out of 16 home games attended :faf: bits of Yogi and Mixu were bad too. I’d say the disconnect between the block 7 lads and the other fans gives a new dynamic of misery but we’ve had equally bad runs before.

Equally bad runs yes, but rarely if ever such a sustained spell of successive managers making us steadily worse. There was a McLeish to follow Duffy, a Mowbray to follow Williamson and a Stubbs to follow Butcher. Better days seem further away than ever at present.

[Radge70]

That’s the Gordons’ legacy. Driving away young fans.

The heirs from Peru driving our kids to the bears from Peru

[He's here!]

The heirs from Peru driving our kids to the bears from Peru

Very good!

[WestStandWillie]

Take the bairns to the Hibs Ladies matches at Meadowbank.

They win games and score loads of goals :greengrin

[He's here!]

Take the bairns to the Hibs Ladies matches at Meadowbank.

They win games and score loads of goals :greengrin

You're not wrong. The women's games more often than not salvage the weekend! I'm often very thankful for the therapy they provide after another dismal men's result.

[hibsbollah]

Equally bad runs yes, but rarely if ever such a sustained spell of successive managers making us steadily worse. There was a McLeish to follow Duffy, a Mowbray to follow Williamson and a Stubbs to follow Butcher. Better days seem further away than ever at present.

I suppose thats kind of my point, better times always come around, because history tells us they always do.