Well, what do you know!!!!!

[Jim44]

Just read this:

https://livescoremedia.onelink.me/5KrT?af_xp=app&pid=sharing_landing_page&deep_link_value=livescore%3A%2F%2FnewsPageAgg%3Fni d%3Dpr:3064-a:893561&af_dp=livescore%3A%2F%2FnewsPageAgg%3Fnid%3Dpr:306 4-a:893561&af_force_deeplink=true&af_deeplink=livescore%3A%2F%2FnewsPageAgg%3Fnid%3D pr:3064-a:893561

[chippy]

Tell us more as link is invalid

[Jim44]

It’s about Dundee Utd’s penalty should never have been awarded. Sorry about the crap link.

[Jim44]

The link works when I click on it.:confused:

[HarpOnHibee]

The link works when I click on it.:confused:

Just links me to the live scores of tonight's games. Perhaps the article requires a login account to view?

[Groathillgrump]

The link works when I click on it.:confused:

Works for me too but it's just a link to all tonights scores.

[Jim44]

The gist of it :

Panel says VAR wrong to intervene for United penalty at Hibs

3 hours ago
Dundee United should not have been awarded the penalty kick that allowed them to equalise against Hibernian on Saturday, according to the Scottish FA's key match incident review panel.
Three out of the five panel members thought VAR (video assistant referee) Greg Aitken "incorrectly intervened to suggest" an on-field review.
With the hosts leading through Lewis Miller's first-half header, United defender Emmanuel Adegboyega hit the ground after a pull on his shirt from two Hibs players as a free-kick was launched into the penalty box with a minute of normal time remaining.
Referee Colin Steven did not whistle for a foul, but after being directed to the monitor, he sent off Hibs striker Mykola Kuharevich for a second yellow card and awarded the spot kick from which Sam Dalby equalised.

[Onceinawhile]

So do they overturn the yellow card? No, of course not.

Potentially cost us 5 points. Roasters.

[Jim44]

So do they overturn the yellow card? No, of course not.

Potentially cost us 5 points. Roasters.

Incompetence or corruption. Make your own decision.

[Jim44]

The gist of it :

Panel says VAR wrong to intervene for United penalty at Hibs

3 hours ago
Dundee United should not have been awarded the penalty kick that allowed them to equalise against Hibernian on Saturday, according to the Scottish FA's key match incident review panel.
Three out of the five panel members thought VAR (video assistant referee) Greg Aitken "incorrectly intervened to suggest" an on-field review.
With the hosts leading through Lewis Miller's first-half header, United defender Emmanuel Adegboyega hit the ground after a pull on his shirt from two Hibs players as a free-kick was launched into the penalty box with a minute of normal time remaining.
Referee Colin Steven did not whistle for a foul, but after being directed to the monitor, he sent off Hibs striker Mykola Kuharevich for a second yellow card and awarded the spot kick from which Sam Dalby equalised.

I missed this at the end of the article:

While two members believed VAR had been correct to intervene and recommend a potential penalty, the majority did not "think the potential foul was clear and obvious enough".
The panel reviewed 23 VAR interventions for Premiership fixtures last midweek and at the weekend and found five where on-field decisions were correctly overturned.
It agreed VAR was correct to award a goal to St Johnstone in their 3-1 defeat by St Mirren despite striker Benjamin Kimpioka initially being ruled offside - and that the home side had a goal ruled out correctly for a foul in the build-up.
It also ruled that Aberdeen were correctly awarded a penalty for hand ball in their 2-1 win over Rangers - with goalkeeper Jack Butland saving from Jamie McGrath.
Penalties were also eventually correctly awarded for St Johnstone in their 2-1 defeat by Heart of Midlothian and for St Mirren in their 0-0 draw with Ross County.

[Onion]

The gist of it :

Panel says VAR wrong to intervene for United penalty at Hibs

3 hours ago
Dundee United should not have been awarded the penalty kick that allowed them to equalise against Hibernian on Saturday, according to the Scottish FA's key match incident review panel.
Three out of the five panel members thought VAR (video assistant referee) Greg Aitken "incorrectly intervened to suggest" an on-field review.
With the hosts leading through Lewis Miller's first-half header, United defender Emmanuel Adegboyega hit the ground after a pull on his shirt from two Hibs players as a free-kick was launched into the penalty box with a minute of normal time remaining.
Referee Colin Steven did not whistle for a foul, but after being directed to the monitor, he sent off Hibs striker Mykola Kuharevich for a second yellow card and awarded the spot kick from which Sam Dalby equalised.

All evens out in the end. Sure we'll start to get a fair number of corrupt and incorrect decisions that will hand us 2 or 3 points a game in the very near future.

Just in case we don't, Hibs need to add this one to the portfolio of horrendous, scandelous, corrupt and flagrantly biased decisions that have cost us games / points so we can drag the SFA and referee panel across coals. No chance Foley's team would just sit there taking it up the jacksie.

[gbhibby]

This highlights that the VAR is not being operated as it should. Will the VAR officials be demoted and not allowed to officiate for a number of weeks until the go through a retraining process, I doubt it. Our club seems to be the club who have suffered more mistakes than any other club. At the other end when the we had a shirt pull the ref awarded a foul for Dundee utd another incident which did not exist, I have seen refs do this since I started watching football, a cop out.
I think our officials need to spend time in England and receive the training their officials get, they might learn a thing or two.

[JimBHibees]

The gist of it :

Panel says VAR wrong to intervene for United penalty at Hibs

3 hours ago
Dundee United should not have been awarded the penalty kick that allowed them to equalise against Hibernian on Saturday, according to the Scottish FA's key match incident review panel.
Three out of the five panel members thought VAR (video assistant referee) Greg Aitken "incorrectly intervened to suggest" an on-field review.
With the hosts leading through Lewis Miller's first-half header, United defender Emmanuel Adegboyega hit the ground after a pull on his shirt from two Hibs players as a free-kick was launched into the penalty box with a minute of normal time remaining.
Referee Colin Steven did not whistle for a foul, but after being directed to the monitor, he sent off Hibs striker Mykola Kuharevich for a second yellow card and awarded the spot kick from which Sam Dalby equalised.

What’s this pull on his shirt from two Hibs players?

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

VAR has just moved the iffy refereeing to a different platform. Clear and obvious should mean exactly that. Ref should get a maximum three replays and no more than 60 seconds to review. After that there may still be errors but we can all agree that they haven't been clear and obvious which is the whole point.

[Jim44]

It’s interesting that this issue has been reported by a fairly obscure source, ie Live Scores, which I just happened to come across. I wonder if the MSM will highlight it as a topic worthy of debate or further consideration. I’m inclined to think not, as, after all, it’s only about Hibernian FC, the whipping boys of the Scottish Premiership. No apologies for my persecution complex. :greengrin

[California-Hibs]

Robbed of 3 points and a clean sheet.

[Onion]

It’s interesting that this issue has been reported by a fairly obscure source, ie Live Scores, which I just happened to come across. I wonder if the MSM will highlight it as a topic worthy of debate or further consideration. I’m inclined to think not, as, after all, it’s only about Hibernian FC, the whipping boys of the Scottish Premiership. No apologies for my persecution complex. :greengrin

Problem I'm left with is how 2 out 5 of the VAR Review Panel (Experts) thought this incident was something that deserved VAR intervention - and presumably a penalty. This itself shows how utterly BUSTED the VAR system is in Scotland.

[Lancs Harp]

Problem I'm left with is how 2 out 5 of the VAR Review Panel (Experts) thought this incident was something that deserved VAR intervention - and presumably a penalty. This itself shows how utterly BUSTED the VAR system is in Scotland.

Ones a season ticket holder at Tynecastle the other at Ibrox.

[Forza Fred]

Monty also suffered from decisions like this

[Allant1981]

It’s interesting that this issue has been reported by a fairly obscure source, ie Live Scores, which I just happened to come across. I wonder if the MSM will highlight it as a topic worthy of debate or further consideration. I’m inclined to think not, as, after all, it’s only about Hibernian FC, the whipping boys of the Scottish Premiership. No apologies for my persecution complex. :greengrin

I read it on the sky sports page so it slowly but surely getting out there

[degenerated]

Monty also suffered from decisions like thisThere's been a definite agenda since Paul McGinn called them inept. VAR is just another weapon in their arsenal to support them.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

There’s nothing wrong with VAR, when it’s used correctly.

[NC1875]

VAR has just moved the iffy refereeing to a different platform. Clear and obvious should mean exactly that. Ref should get a maximum three replays and no more than 60 seconds to review. After that there may still be errors but we can all agree that they haven't been clear and obvious which is the whole point.

I said that to a mate last week. There should be a time limit on it. If they can’t see it within that time frame, then it’s not clear and obvious.

[green day]

There’s nothing wrong with VAR, when it’s used correctly.
The way VAR is used in the champions league is light years ahead of what we have.

Appreciate part of that is the expensive semi automation, but ours is so badly broken it's in danger of turning fans off our game.

[SickBoy32]

There’s nothing wrong with VAR, when it’s used correctly.

If VAR had been in operation at the 2016 Cup Final, it’d have massively changed the finale of the match.

The instant elation felt with the winner would quite simply not have existed. Same with every goal in the VAR era, there would be doubt in folks mind. Will some faceless clown find an infringement in the following minutes, as they forensically examined the corner frame by frame.

It’s an awful development for the game and I find it staggering that anyone can still support it.

Replacing raw emotion and passion with a cold, clinical feel. And they still get decisions BADLY wrong on a weekly basis.

[Unseen work]

VAR needs chucked in the bin for everything except offsides imo.

There are far too many differences of opinions, not just between fans, players etc but actual refs etc.

How so many refs can view the same incident and come to different conclusions is mental and just makes a farce of the whole thing.

[Centre Hawf]

The thing that confuses me is that it was voted 3:2 that it shouldn’t be a penalty. But then the one after on O’Hora is a unanimous 5:0 decision? Who are the two that think there’s a significant enough difference in them both to swap their opinion on the decisions?

Just totally mind blowing. The fact there’s even two thinking it’s fine shows how nothing will ever change.

[MWHIBBIES]

If VAR had been in operation at the 2016 Cup Final, it’d have massively changed the finale of the match.

The instant elation felt with the winner would quite simply not have existed. Same with every goal in the VAR era, there would be doubt in folks mind. Will some faceless clown find an infringement in the following minutes, as they forensically examined the corner frame by frame.

It’s an awful development for the game and I find it staggering that anyone can still support it.

Replacing raw emotion and passion with a cold, clinical feel. And they still get decisions BADLY wrong on a weekly basis.

Nothing has changed. Just celebrate. Why wouldn't you?

You can tell in 99% of cases if it's going to be given or not anyway.

[Onion]

VAR needs chucked in the bin for everything except offsides imo.

There are far too many differences of opinions, not just between fans, players etc but actual refs etc.

How so many refs can view the same incident and come to different conclusions is mental and just makes a farce of the whole thing.

Agree with this. Every outcome of the VAR review panel needs to be unanimously supported 5-0 . This 3-2 nonsense simply proves that either the rules around VAR or the game are not clear enough or some of those acting as referees / reviewers don't know the rules. If that's the case, VAR should be dumped and decisions left to ref's initial decision. Clear and obvious should be clear and obvious.

[SickBoy32]

Nothing has changed. Just celebrate. Why wouldn't you?

You can tell in 99% of cases if it's going to be given or not anyway.

Nothing has changed 😂

A few years ago, Hibs would’ve won that match 1-0 last weekend, without a farcical pen and red card.

True football enthusiasts don’t like VAR, in my experience. EPL / Champions league fanboys do however.

[BroxburnHibee]

If it takes 5 minutes to make a decision then it's not a clear error.

Disgraceful

[hibsbollah]

Nothing has changed. Just celebrate. Why wouldn't you?

You can tell in 99% of cases if it's going to be given or not anyway.

You’re missing the point. When you know theres a chance it will get chalked off its not the same experience. And theyre getting it wrong regardless. So it’s destructive AND pointless.

[Bristolhibby]

Nothing has changed 😂

A few years ago, Hibs would’ve won that match 1-0 last weekend, without a farcical pen and red card.

True football enthusiasts don’t like VAR, in my experience. EPL / Champions league fanboys do however.

Just sitting having my breakfast thinking, and remembered McTominays vs Spain in Seville.

Absolutely nothing wrong with his goal (we would have gone 0-1 up). It is an utter farce.

J

[HibbyAndy]

If VAR had been in operation at the 2016 Cup Final, it’d have massively changed the finale of the match.

The instant elation felt with the winner would quite simply not have existed. Same with every goal in the VAR era, there would be doubt in folks mind. Will some faceless clown find an infringement in the following minutes, as they forensically examined the corner frame by frame.

It’s an awful development for the game and I find it staggering that anyone can still support it.

Replacing raw emotion and passion with a cold, clinical feel. And they still get decisions BADLY wrong on a weekly basis.

:agree::top marks


Get Var to **** !

[nickwhibs]

If VAR had been in operation at the 2016 Cup Final, it’d have massively changed the finale of the match.

The instant elation felt with the winner would quite simply not have existed. Same with every goal in the VAR era, there would be doubt in folks mind. Will some faceless clown find an infringement in the following minutes, as they forensically examined the corner frame by frame.

It’s an awful development for the game and I find it staggering that anyone can still support it.

Replacing raw emotion and passion with a cold, clinical feel. And they still get decisions BADLY wrong on a weekly basis.

Exactly where I’m at. Can’t stand it

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

If it takes 5 minutes to make a decision then it's not a clear error.

Disgraceful

Give them 30 secs to review. If no decision, then play on.

[Pagan Hibernia]

If VAR had been in operation at the 2016 Cup Final, it’d have massively changed the finale of the match.

The instant elation felt with the winner would quite simply not have existed. Same with every goal in the VAR era, there would be doubt in folks mind. Will some faceless clown find an infringement in the following minutes, as they forensically examined the corner frame by frame.

It’s an awful development for the game and I find it staggering that anyone can still support it.

Replacing raw emotion and passion with a cold, clinical feel. And they still get decisions BADLY wrong on a weekly basis.

Yep.100% my feelings on it too.

[Musselbound]

The 3-2 panel decision simply shows this was a very marginal and subjective call. These have and always will exist in football with or without VAR. While I agree with the majority, that this was not clear and obvious enough for VAR to get involved, Kukharevich did not need to pull a jersey and give the refs a decision to make.

I'm probably in the minority here but I don't believe Scottish refs have an agenda against Hibs. Our players need to improve their discipline and decision making.

[MWHIBBIES]

Nothing has changed 😂

A few years ago, Hibs would’ve won that match 1-0 last weekend, without a farcical pen and red card.

True football enthusiasts don’t like VAR, in my experience. EPL / Champions league fanboys do however.

Yes, we would've won last weekend without it. It isn't VARs fault the idiot refs use it wrong. The refs are the problem.

Oh right, I've had a Hibs season ticket for 21 of my 28 years because I'm an EPL fanboy. What a ridiculous thing to say.

Never actually seen anyone not celebrate goals because VAR might disallow it. Totally made up imo.

[O'Rourke3]

The 3-2 panel decision simply shows this was a very marginal and subjective call. These have and always will exist in football with or without VAR. While I agree with the majority, that this was not clear and obvious enough for VAR to get involved, Kukharevich did not need to pull a jersey and give the refs a decision to make.

I'm probably in the minority here but I don't believe Scottish refs have an agenda against Hibs. Our players need to improve their discipline and decision making.No the marginal call simply looks to defend the panel and pull the pile on, off the VAR team last week. It was an awful decision and this is more to infer it was closer than anyone with eyes can see because "mumble mumble" looks at shoes.... The fact that evey replay starts with a shirt pull on Triantis just rubs it in.

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[Bushwoof]

Yes, we would've won last weekend without it. It isn't VARs fault the idiot refs use it wrong. The refs are the problem.

Oh right, I've had a Hibs season ticket for 21 of my 28 years because I'm an EPL fanboy. What a ridiculous thing to say.

Never actually seen anyone not celebrate goals because VAR might disallow it. Totally made up imo.
Maybe not, but there are plenty of times I've been muted in my celebrations in anticipation of the inevitable 4 minute VAR farrago. It's clearly a worse experience than pre-VAR, when a quick glance at the ref/linesman was enough when there was any question of an infringement.

[MWHIBBIES]

You’re missing the point. When you know theres a chance it will get chalked off its not the same experience. And theyre getting it wrong regardless. So it’s destructive AND pointless.

There is always a chance a goal gets disallowed. And it's being used well a vast majority of the time.

[Since90+2]

Yes, we would've won last weekend without it. It isn't VARs fault the idiot refs use it wrong. The refs are the problem.

Oh right, I've had a Hibs season ticket for 21 of my 28 years because I'm an EPL fanboy. What a ridiculous thing to say.

Never actually seen anyone not celebrate goals because VAR might disallow it. Totally made up imo.

VAR IS the refs. You can't seperate the two of them. The clue is literally in the name.

[MWHIBBIES]

Maybe not, but there are plenty of times I've been muted in my celebrations in anticipation of the inevitable 4 minute VAR farrago. It's clearly a worse experience than pre-VAR, when a quick glance at the ref/linesman was enough when there was any question of an infringement.

Have your muted celebrations ever changed anything? Or will the ref make up his mind regardless?

Just celebrate. Nothing bad will happen.

[MWHIBBIES]

VAR IS the refs. You can't seperate the two of them. The clue is literally in the name.

Right okay.

The VAR system is a replay system though. How can a video be the problem. It's the idiots making the decisions that are causing problems. Seen during the Euros how good it can be in the right hands.

[Bushwoof]

Have your muted celebrations ever changed anything? Or will the ref make up his mind regardless?

Just celebrate. Nothing bad will happen.
The point is that pre-VAR the ref has already made his mind up. There's no is it/isn't it a goal. It's just a celebration. And yes, something bad will happen, our goal will be disallowed by some tw@t in front of a screen, after we're made to wait 4 minutes.

[Eyrie]

Give them 30 secs to review. If no decision, then play on.

I've said that from before VAR was introduced.

If it takes a long time to spot an error then it can't be clear and obvious. Just get on with the game.

[MWHIBBIES]

I've said that from before VAR was introduced.

If it takes a long time to spot an error then it can't be clear and obvious. Just get on with the game.

Agreed. 30 seconds timer starts from when they see replay. If no decision, go with on field call.

[MWHIBBIES]

The point is that pre-VAR the ref has already made his mind up. There's no is it/isn't it a goal. It's just a celebration. And yes, something bad will happen, our goal will be disallowed by some tw@t in front of a screen, after we're made to wait 4 minutes.

Our goal being disallowed has nothing to do with you celebrating. So just do it.

[SHODAN]

The purpose of a system is what it does.

[Donegal Hibby]

I’ve heard numerous fans going on about how much better the English Championship has been without VAR and having watched a lot of it myself it has been refreshing watching a league without the sodding thing ….

In Scotland it’s been badly used or not used when it should be , it’s a killjoy on goal celebration and some of the delays are to long resulting in lengthy injury time of 9 ,10 minutes or more , look at our own incident where it took 4 and a half minutes for them looking to find Mykos shirt pull where fans are totally in the dark about what they are actually looking for at the time ..

Dermot Gallagher was right in its CSI stuff….

It’s not going to improve in Scotland either because the same incompetent / cheating officials are going to be continually put in charge of it just like in what we have today in Kevin Clancy …

I’d love to see it scrapped .. think Scottish football would be better off without it .

[Potty78]

[QUOTE=MWHIBBIES;7809881]Nothing has changed. Just celebrate. Why wouldn't you?

Var is spoiling my experience of football, just my opinion. Hibs score and I just think oh wait they'll find something. 4 minutes last week is outrageous. We went over a hundred years without it and yes teams got screwed but teams are still being screwed with var.

[Waxy]

I was all VAR.
In theory it’s the right thing to do.
In reality i didn’t bank on poor/corrupt officials being the people who control of the decisions.
No idea what to think now.

[Silky]

Agreed. 30 seconds timer starts from when they see replay. If no decision, go with on field call.

Yeah, there should definitely be some kind of timer or something. Ultimately, the on field ref is in charge of the match and should have the final call. He should have the balls, if VAR is taking too long, to say **** it I'm going with my decision, I'm the ref.

[Don Giovanni]

The VAR system isn't the problem.

It's the corrupt officials implementing the VAR system that are the problem.