We've made our joint-worst start to a league season since 1979

[CathroMustStay]

After throwing away yet more points today, with a late equaliser for Dundee United, we remain bottom of the table under David Gray.

After 11 league games, we have made our joint worst start to a league season since 1979/80 (a season we were relegated) when we P11 W1 D2 L8 Pts 5/33 GD -12. The three next worst starts to a league season are as follows:

2010/11: P11 W2 D2 L7 Pts 8/33 GD -10 (Manager = Colin Calderwood, following Yogi departure)

1982/83: P11 W1 D5 L5 Pts 8/33 GD -7 (Manager = Pat Stanton, following Bertie Auld departure)

2024/25: P11 W1 D5 L5 Pts 8/33 GD -6 (Manager = SDG)

[JohnM1875]

After throwing away yet more points today, with a late equaliser for Dundee United, we remain bottom of the table under David Gray.

After 11 league games, we have made our joint worst start to a league season since 1979/80 (a season we were relegated) when we P11 W1 D2 L8 Pts 5/33 GD -12. The three next worst starts to a league season are as follows:

2010/11: P11 W2 D2 L7 Pts 8/33 GD -10 (Manager = Colin Calderwood, following Yogi departure)

1982/83: P11 W1 D5 L5 Pts 8/33 GD -7 (Manager = Pat Stanton, following Bertie Auld departure)

2024/25: P11 W1 D5 L5 Pts 8/33 GD -6 (Manager = SDG)

Eesh. Not good at all.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Aye, it’s tough just now. Surely things can only improve from this point; it’s a mediocre league and we should be okay with a few wins. Of course it’s worrying, though.

[Liberal Hibby]

After throwing away yet more points today, with a late equaliser for Dundee United, we remain bottom of the table under David Gray.

After 11 league games, we have made our joint worst start to a league season since 1979/80 (a season we were relegated) when we P11 W1 D2 L8 Pts 5/33 GD -12. The three next worst starts to a league season are as follows:

2010/11: P11 W2 D2 L7 Pts 8/33 GD -10 (Manager = Colin Calderwood, following Yogi departure)

1982/83: P11 W1 D5 L5 Pts 8/33 GD -7 (Manager = Pat Stanton, following Bertie Auld departure)

2024/25: P11 W1 D5 L5 Pts 8/33 GD -6 (Manager = SDG)

Did we get relegated in any of those three seasons?

[Unseen work]

I’m honestly stunned how many on here seem calm, willing to wait longer and hope for an upturn in form.

I suspect it’s because it’s SDG more than anything else.

No chance Johnson, Monty or Maloney get this leeway.

[JohnM1875]

I’m honestly stunned how many on here seem calm, willing to wait longer and hope for an upturn in form.

I suspect it’s because it’s SDG more than anything else.

No chance Johnson, Monty or Maloney get this leeway.

Yup, undoubtedly is.

[ChuckNor]

Did we get relegated in any of those three seasons?

No, but worryingly we finished 11th in the Calderwood one and were only saved by a dreadful Dunfermline.

[One Day Soon]

I’m honestly stunned how many on here seem calm, willing to wait longer and hope for an upturn in form.

I suspect it’s because it’s SDG more than anything else.

No chance Johnson, Monty or Maloney get this leeway.

Why else do you think they appointed him in the first place?

[TrinityHFC]

I’m honestly stunned how many on here seem calm, willing to wait longer and hope for an upturn in form.

I suspect it’s because it’s SDG more than anything else.

No chance Johnson, Monty or Maloney get this leeway.

I think it is because we’ve made all those changes and we just get worse.

We have other changes happening at the club. Gray also undoubtedly knows the club and the league and long term what needs to happen.

I can separate out where we currently are with what might be the best course of action for the future. Just sacking people as some sort of punishment for poor results is pointless. It needs to be about what is best for the future. I’m comfortable he can turn it round. Nothing lasts forever, good or bad. We’ve been guilty of reacting for the short term far too often.

I’d also have given a couple of those others you mention more time.

[He's here!]

After throwing away yet more points today, with a late equaliser for Dundee United, we remain bottom of the table under David Gray.

After 11 league games, we have made our joint worst start to a league season since 1979/80 (a season we were relegated) when we P11 W1 D2 L8 Pts 5/33 GD -12. The three next worst starts to a league season are as follows:

2010/11: P11 W2 D2 L7 Pts 8/33 GD -10 (Manager = Colin Calderwood, following Yogi departure)

1982/83: P11 W1 D5 L5 Pts 8/33 GD -7 (Manager = Pat Stanton, following Bertie Auld departure)

2024/25: P11 W1 D5 L5 Pts 8/33 GD -6 (Manager = SDG)

Only two points for a win in 79/80 so I'm guessing it was 4 out of 22 points. We were in decline no question but had been in the Scottish Cup final the previous season, finished fifth and relegation didn't seem on the cards. Hearts were in the midst of 3 relegations in five years.

Might be wrong but I seem to remember our one win in that spell was a 5 or 6 goal thrashing of Dundee.

[He's here!]

No, but worryingly we finished 11th in the Calderwood one and were only saved by a dreadful Dunfermline.

We finished 10th. Above St Mirren and Hamilton. Dunfermline weren't in the top division.

[Pretty Boy]

We finished 10th. Above St Mirren and Hamilton. Dunfermline weren't in the top division.

Yep it was the following season we finished 11th. Beat Dunfermilne in the 2nd last game at ER to relegate them and save ourselves.

[Pagan Hibernia]

I’m honestly stunned how many on here seem calm, willing to wait longer and hope for an upturn in form.

I suspect it’s because it’s SDG more than anything else.

No chance Johnson, Monty or Maloney get this leeway.

No doubt that's part of it. I think it's also because fans now realise the club is an utter mess in the boardroom and that just constantly sacking managers, as we've seen in the last few years, is not the solution

[The Spaceman]

Damning comparison for sure and hugely worrying when you strip it all back like that.

I do think where we are in the league right now is not truly representative though. We’ve been desperately unlucky in amongst being poor in parts and ok in others (I’d say we actually played well against Utd yesterday for 99% of the game). I’ve seen worse Hibs teams than this previously. Just can’t catch a break at the moment.

[green day]

Damning comparison for sure and hugely worrying when you strip it all back like that.

I do think where we are in the league right now is not truly representative though. We’ve been desperately unlucky in amongst being poor in parts and ok in others (I’d say we actually played well against Utd yesterday for 99% of the game). I’ve seen worse Hibs teams than this previously. Just can’t catch a break at the moment.

If we were a halfway decent team, or even a poor team which is well coached, we wouldnt need to catch a break, we would be making our own luck.

The quality in this league is dreadful (aside from Celtic and Aberdeen) and we cant score, cant hold on to a lead, and are bottom of this awful league.

We have weak links all over the pitch, our coaching team are making mistakes with subs and tactics, other coaches have worked out that they dont have to work too hard to take points off us.

For me, this is Williamson-esqe for awful, mindnumbing football.

A guy sitting behind me yesterday said watching Hibs try and hold on to a lead was like death by a thousand cuts. It was funny, but quite true.

[wookie70]

Damning comparison for sure and hugely worrying when you strip it all back like that.

I do think where we are in the league right now is not truly representative though. We’ve been desperately unlucky in amongst being poor in parts and ok in others (I’d say we actually played well against Utd yesterday for 99% of the game). I’ve seen worse Hibs teams than this previously. Just can’t catch a break at the moment.

No doubt it is worrying but the campaigns mentioned were a good deal worse from my memory. There are glimmers of hope with this team and we aren't far away. The big issue is the lack of firepower and next week we will likely be without a true number 9

[He's here!]

Yep it was the following season we finished 11th. Beat Dunfermilne in the 2nd last game at ER to relegate them and save ourselves.

Was there a stadium compliance issue with one of the top two in the Championship? We'd have been in the play-off otherwise.

[He's here!]

No doubt it is worrying but the campaigns mentioned were a good deal worse from my memory. There are glimmers of hope with this team and we aren't far away. The big issue is the lack of firepower and next week we will likely be without a true number 9

79/80 was truly horrendous. 6 wins, 6 draws and 24 defeats. We finished bottom by a mile on 18 points. The gloom was offset by the George Best signing and I remember a rousing 2-1 win over Rangers (around Christmas?) which gave us a glimmer of hope.

[HFC93]

Was there a stadium compliance issue with one of the top two in the Championship? We'd have been in the play-off otherwise.

The play offs in their current form started in 2014 so no play off that year.

[B.H.F.C]

I’m honestly stunned how many on here seem calm, willing to wait longer and hope for an upturn in form.

I suspect it’s because it’s SDG more than anything else.

No chance Johnson, Monty or Maloney get this leeway.

Gray being there is having the impact they wanted when things are going badly. It’s a totally different atmosphere in the ground when we are routinely throwing leads away. Granted, there is some frustration but if Montgomery (just as an example) was still in the dugout and things were going similarly, it would be totally different, it would be poisonous.

[Jones28]

Was there a stadium compliance issue with one of the top two in the Championship? We'd have been in the play-off otherwise.

Not that year. Was it Falkirks stadium that denied them promotion a couple of times? They didn’t have the ridiculous 10k seats or something?

[He's here!]

The play offs in their current form started in 2014 so no play off that year.

Thanks. My memory's clearly not what it was. We were in a relegation play-off with Airdrie under Duffy in the late 90s. Was there a spell after that when they didn't exist?

[HFC93]

Thanks. My memory's clearly not what it was. We were in a relegation play-off with Airdrie under Duffy in the late 90s. Was there a spell after that when they didn't exist?

Yeah, I think they stopped in the early/mid 90s (not sure the exact year) and returned in 2014

[He's here!]

Yeah, I think they stopped in the early/mid 90s (not sure the exact year) and returned in 2014

Just checked and there was a 17 year gap. Guessing our Airdrie play-off may have been the final one before the break.

Up until the 80s, or maybe even the 90s, the bottom two used to go down automatically. In a 10-team league that was quite brutal.

[Unseen work]

Gray being there is having the impact they wanted when things are going badly. It’s a totally different atmosphere in the ground when we are routinely throwing leads away. Granted, there is some frustration but if Montgomery (just as an example) was still in the dugout and things were going similarly, it would be totally different, it would be poisonous.

100%

Monty missed out on top 6 because a Motherwell centre half scored an absolute ridiculous volley from just inside our box. A once in a lifetime strike for him.

He was slaughtered for that.

Can only imagine what it would be like if he was manager at the moment in our current form

[Paulie Walnuts]

100%

Monty missed out on top 6 because a Motherwell centre half scored an absolute ridiculous volley from just inside our box. A once in a lifetime strike for him.

He was slaughtered for that.

Can only imagine what it would be like if he was manager at the moment in our current form

Maloney got sacked for missing out on top 6. Melkersen missed an open goal pretty much against DU that would have got us there. He took us over in 7th, left us in 8th, got us to Hampden, had our best player by a country mile sold the minute he was in the door and never had a summer window. His record was also more impressive and over a similar length of time as Gray.

I don’t think there’s any doubting that Gray is getting much more leeway than other managers have got.

[ekhibee]

I’m honestly stunned how many on here seem calm, willing to wait longer and hope for an upturn in form.

I suspect it’s because it’s SDG more than anything else.

No chance Johnson, Monty or Maloney get this leeway.

I totally get what you're saying, and I'm not in the habit of making excuses for them recently, but in a lot of games recently we've been the better team ie both games against Dundee Utd. I do have concerns about Gray's choices when it comes to substitutions, but a few managers recently have been equally guilty of that, such as Montgomery and Johnson.

[CentreForward]

79/80 was truly horrendous. 6 wins, 6 draws and 24 defeats. We finished bottom by a mile on 18 points. The gloom was offset by the George Best signing and I remember a rousing 2-1 win over Rangers (around Christmas?) which gave us a glimmer of hope.

So it was 6 wins that season. Can anyone honestly see us getting more than 6 wins this season? We need another 5 just to equal those 6 and not sure where they are coming from. There isn’t a single team in this league that we can currently be confident of beating.

[He's here!]

So it was 6 wins that season. Can anyone honestly see us getting more than 6 wins this season? We need another 5 just to equal those 6 and not sure where they are coming from. There isn’t a single team in this league that we can currently be confident of beating.

It's harder to make a like for like comparison with an era when it was two points for a win. If you were to draw every game back then you'd most likely have stayed up fairly comfortably. It was the huge number of defeats that season which really killed us. These days the difference between a win and a draw is much more significant.

[Keith_M]

Was there a stadium compliance issue with one of the top two in the Championship? We'd have been in the play-off otherwise.


Not sure if it's the one you were thinking of but Aberdeen avoided a relegation play-off in 99/00 because Falkirk's stadium didn't meet SPL criteria

[21May16]

Yep it was the following season we finished 11th. Beat Dunfermilne in the 2nd last game at ER to relegate them and save ourselves.

Wasn't there some kind of draw that game too to see if you could get cup final tickets if you attended? Sure we hammered Dunfermline that evening too.