Gray - Stay or go

[Paul1642]

Plenty threads on the subject but no poll. Should Gray stay to go?

I seen enough today to give at least 1 more game.

[e2los]

Absolutely give him more time, at least until the split.
No point in chucking him now unless he is going to be replaced by a super star manager, as that would guarantee relegation.
Obviously an awful season, but once we get a few wins things will look so much better.

[Pretty Boy]

Players are playing for him imo so stay for now.

He has to do better, they players have to do better but it's not a lost cause yet imo. I accept I'll be very much a minority voice.

[portyhibernian]

Gives me no pleasure to say I think he should go if we don't win our next game - understand our problems run deeper but we cannot continue as we are much longer before it becomes unsalvageable.

[Hibs90]

This is exactly what the board want to happen.

They need to go first before Gray does.


Look at the bigger picture.

[DarlingtonHibee]

One more game. Played well for 80 mins.

[The Captain....]

I'm almost beyond giving a **** now tbh. It will make little material difference changing the manager imo. The club is rotten to its core, the decision makers are weak minded, naive and cowards.

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[hibee_girl]

Players are playing for him imo so stay for now.

He has to do better, they players have to do better but it's not a lost cause yet imo. I accept I'll be very much a minority voice.

That’s where I’m at too.

[JimBHibees]

Stay until January see where we are

[AdidasHibernian]

Board first then Gray but he needs gone before international break.

[SHODAN]

He isn't a manager.

[LewysGot2]

Stay. They are playing for him.
He's not the problem.

[Vault Boy]

Just no point getting rid of SDG whilst the current club leadership are still running the house. Be like hiring the same cowboy builder to fix the mess he made of your kitchen.

[sauzeelegod]

Go

[danhibees1875]

Stay until January see where we are

Give him the window, sack him in Feb. :agree:

[NC1875]

Absolutely give him more time, at least until the split.
No point in chucking him now unless he is going to be replaced by a super star manager, as that would guarantee relegation.
Obviously an awful season, but once we get a few wins things will look so much better.

Keep him and Once we get a few wins in the same sentence 😂😂😂😂

[Green forever]

Go for me , took forever in conversation with Samson, Craig and May when it was clear that Hoillet was knackered.. Was obvious that changes were needed, the points dropped today are on him.

[Albahibs]

Stay.

Played well first half today. I'm very curious to see the highlights tonight, and if it was a justified penalty or not.

[McGruber]

With a heavy heart has to go. Matter of when now so why wait. Shouldn't be the only one either

[SeanWilson]

Just no point getting rid of SDG whilst the current club leadership are still running the house. Be like hiring the same cowboy builder to fix the mess he made of your kitchen.

There is though. The squad is so bad. Without an actual manager to get some basics and in game management, we could very seriously looking at going down.

[Billy McKirdy]

I see the improvement, today was tough luck and poor refereeing, some of our play today was a joy to watch, I think he is turning it around.
Give him time.

[NC1875]

Stay. They are playing for him.
He's not the problem.

How can anyone say they are playing for him ?

We’re bottom of the ****ing league. No signs whatsoever that they’re playing for him.

[HendoDelivered]

Stay.

[Coco Bryce]

I see the improvement, today was tough luck and poor refereeing, some of our play today was a joy to watch, I think he is turning it around.
Give him time.

'a joy to watch'

Jesus wept 😂😂

[Real Emerald]

Gray and all the coaches plus MM need to go now.

[IberianHibernian]

Attitude of players seems good and even with 10 players we were looking for the win . We`re in a league with 9 bad teams and 2 others who could lose to those 9 in any match so every match is vital . We should certainly be higher up the league on our play and maybe another manager would have us up in middle of the table ( we`d be above DU if we`d got the 2 wins we deserved against them so Goodwin is one manager who is getting more points from his team than they deserve ) but think he deserves more time .

[Unseen work]

Won’t let me vote but he has to go

[hibee_girl]

How can anyone say they are playing for him ?

We’re bottom of the ****ing league. No signs whatsoever that they’re playing for him.

Did you not see the game today?

They are playing for him.

[Hibees1973]

Happy to give him until the St Mirren game.

If we are still bottom after that he must be sacked.

[21May16]

Ask the Black Knights.

Nothing changes otherwise.

Let’s not pretend it was anywhere near adequate for a top four team today though. We are a shocking footballing team.

[McGruber]

Go for me , took forever in conversation with Samson, Craig and May when it was clear that Hoillet was knackered.. Was obvious that changes were needed, the points dropped today are on him.

100%. Game was crying out for us needing a change. You can be positive, put Youan up top give us a threat go win the game or you can **** the bed and not make a decision to influence the flow of the game and hope for the best.

Was negative from Gray trying to hold when the game was there to be won. Not brave enough

[Coco Bryce]

See zero improvement.

Not beating that honking united team today is unacceptable.

He has to go.

[NC1875]

Did you not see the game today?

They are playing for him.

I seen the game yeah. We were toothless AGAIN. Grays game management was terrible AGAIN. We’re back to the bottom of the league AGAIN.

I’m struggling to see the positives. You’re deluded if you think this is going to come good.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i shall cast my vote at 5:50+pm next saturday :)




then again, maybe not at all

[Unseen work]

See this whole players are playing for him chat, I get it.

But if they were, would they not defend a bit better, a bit harder? Would they not play with more intensity?

I think they like him and are trying

But is he a manager where there is a fear factor if you don’t do your job?

The goals we concede against United, the goal against hearts, the first half against Ross county.

Weak as anything

There seems to be absolute zero repercussions for failure or mistakes

[NC1875]

See this whole players are playing for him chat, I get it.

But if they were, would they not defend a bit better, a bit harder? Would they not play with more intensity?

I think they like him and are trying

But is he a manager where there is a fear factor if you don’t do your job?

The goals we concede against United, the goal against hearts, the first half against Ross county.

Weak as anything

There seems to be absolute zero repercussions for failure or mistakes

They’re playing for him though apparently. Some people’s eyes must be painted on, honestly

[Vault Boy]

There is though. The squad is so bad. Without an actual manager to get some basics and in game management, we could very seriously looking at going down.

And who would be hiring that 'actual manager'? Which is really my point. At least with Gray, we know we have someone who understands the club and gives a ****. The golden shower hiring another Johnson or Maloney on top of our current situation would just be the cherry on top of the faeces covered cake.

They need to be gone well before Gray is.

[Centre Hawf]

I'll say it again. Gray can have no complaints if he's emptied tomorrow. But whatever stooge these clown hire next will be faced with the same scenario as the rest of them have so far. Terrible recruitment. Terrible squad. Shambles of an organisation.

If Gray goes, the rest of them need to go with him. No one can survive this failure and the Black Knights MUST be allowed to do an INEOS here and run the set up properly because it's ****ing atrocious how badly run we are.

[The Modfather]

Ask the Golden Quadrant and do the opposite of what they think.

[we are hibs]

There's no point in sacking him now with one game until the break.


If we don't win next week I don't see how he can keep his job.


IF David Gray is sacked then Kensell, McPherson and Mackay should follow him and the Gordons should announce their intentions to sell. More chance of Hibs finishing 3rd this season than that bunch of jokers departing though.

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[Basildon Hibs]

Ask the Black Knights.

Nothing changes otherwise.

Let’s not pretend it was anywhere near adequate for a top four team today though. We are a shocking footballing team.

Correct. Quicker they take over the football side of things the better.

SDG: Launch ASAP.

[where'stheslope]

If we sack him now we get a chance of getting a new manager during the International break.
Fans keep saying next 3 games, all we are doing is pushing it further down the line.
Make the decision, and hope for new manager bounce!!!!

[Cabbage-Patch]

Absolutely give him more time, at least until the split.
No point in chucking him now unless he is going to be replaced by a super star manager, as that would guarantee relegation.
Obviously an awful season, but once we get a few wins things will look so much better.

Good chance it will already be too late by the split plus that would only give the new manager 5 games to turn it around. He needs to go now before we get properly marooned at the bottom.

[SeanWilson]

And who would be hiring that 'actual manager'? Which is really my point. At least with Gray, we know we have someone who understands the club and gives a ****. The golden shower hiring another Johnson or Maloney on top of our current situation would just be the cherry on top of the faeces covered cake.

They need to be gone well before Gray is.

I don’t disagree mate….. but we’ve not got that time in the real world.

[blackpoolhibs]

I voted go, i just dont think he has it.

I'd then want the black knights to run the football side of things and appoint their man, our lot have proved time after time they dont have a clue.

[Paulie Walnuts]

If the Black Knights get to take the lead on the next appointment, then go.

If Kensell, Gordon and Mackay are taking the lead then just keep him.

[GloryGlory]

Absolutely give him more time, at least until the split.
No point in chucking him now unless he is going to be replaced by a super star manager, as that would guarantee relegation.
Obviously an awful season, but once we get a few wins things will look so much better.

It'll be too late by then.

[GloryGlory]

Ask the Black Knights.

Nothing changes otherwise.

Let’s not pretend it was anywhere near adequate for a top four team today though. We are a shocking footballing team.

BK has two representatives on the board so they must be aware of where the problems are. I just hope they can come up with an alternative plan other than the constant spinning of the managerial revolving door as operated by Kensell and co.

[Jim44]

There is though. The squad is so bad. Without an actual manager to get some basics and in game management, we could very seriously looking at going down.

I don’t think the squad is as bad as other teams in the league. For long periods in games we play as well as or better than our opponents. Gray just can’t seem to get a winning tune out of them. Admittedly, he ultimately has to take the blame for results, and I’ve said on another thread that teams make their own luck. However, I am finding it hard to remember the last time we had a lucky break or a controversial decision made in our favour. It’s often said in jest, but as weeks go by, we look like we are doomed.

[percy veer]

i was going with giving him more time but even if we beat st mirren it will no doubt be a 1-0 again and whats the point further down the line i cant see him winning many other games with this honking team and style of play.

[B.H.F.C]

If he stays (which he will for now) we’re just kicking the can down the road. We give him next week and win, does that mean everything is OK and we keep him? Then we come back after the international break and see more of the same but we’ve wasted time and probably more games. We’re sleepwalking right towards relegation here.

[McGruber]

I don’t think the squad is as bad as other teams in the league. For long periods in games we play as well as or better than our opponents. Gray just can’t seem to get a winning tune out of them. Admittedly, he ultimately has to take the blame for results, and I’ve said on another thread that teams make their own luck. However, I am finding it hard to remember the last time we had a lucky break or a controversial decision made in our favour. It’s often said in jest, but as weeks go by, we look like we are doomed.

Just that Jim, you make your own luck. He can choose to go for it or try and hold it even though we have shown we can't keep it out in the closing stages. Game was there for the taking and Gray froze

[SeanWilson]

I don’t think the squad is as bad as other teams in the league. For long periods in games we play as well as or better than our opponents. Gray just can’t seem to get a winning tune out of them. Admittedly, he ultimately has to take the blame for results, and I’ve said on another thread that teams make their own luck. However, I am finding it hard to remember the last time we had a lucky break or a controversial decision made in our favour. It’s often said in jest, but as weeks go by, we look like we are doomed.

Starting Keeper is awful. Starting right back is awful. Both centre halves aren’t great. Starting left back can’t defend. Captain is hopeless, whoever plays alongside him are fairly similar players that can’t come for the ball, can’t create and can’t keep the ball. Boyle is not even a championship player now. All strikers are useless. Hoilett is the only player we have who stands out but he can’t last a game.

Anyone we have to backfill that lot aren’t very good/reliable.

The squad is so bad.

[The Spaceman]

We played well enough today and should have 3 points in the bag. He’ll be given until January, unless we find ourselves in a position where we are 6+ points adrift before then.

[chrisski33]

Maybe Gray is out of his depth but i think some who want him still have forgotten hes been part of the failing coaching set up over the last few seasons. Hes had his chance

[WhileTheChief..]

He’s not a manager. He’s just another one that fancied a shot at the job.

[Jock O]

Just when you think this place can't get any more depressing.

[Just_Jimmy]

Go.

Not the answer. Not the only problem either but an easy fix with a proper manager.

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[Jock O]

Starting Keeper is awful. Starting right back is awful. Both centre halves aren’t great. Starting left back can’t defend. Captain is hopeless, whoever plays alongside him are fairly similar players that can’t come for the ball, can’t create and can’t keep the ball. Boyle is not even a championship player now. All strikers are useless. Hoilett is the only player we have who stands out but he can’t last a game.

Anyone we have to backfill that lot aren’t very good/reliable.

The squad is so bad.

Totally agree, this team will never beat Man City with this squad, Sack everyone now.

[Centre Hawf]

Starting Keeper is awful. Starting right back is awful. Both centre halves aren’t great. Starting left back can’t defend. Captain is hopeless, whoever plays alongside him are fairly similar players that can’t come for the ball, can’t create and can’t keep the ball. Boyle is not even a championship player now. All strikers are useless. Hoilett is the only player we have who stands out but he can’t last a game.

Anyone we have to backfill that lot aren’t very good/reliable.

The squad is so bad.

Agree with every word. This squad in its entirety is as bad as we’ve had since relegation. I genuinely don’t think anyone gets a tune out this lot. January is as big a window in the clubs history.

[SeanWilson]

Totally agree, this team will never beat Man City with this squad, Sack everyone now.

See, you think you’re funny…. In reality, this team has beaten St Johnston.

We’re not bottom of this shocking league for any other reason than we’re universally *****.

[Keith_M]

We may as well let him have next week's game then make a decision.

If there's no sign he can turn things around, then why would we stick with him?

[GreenCastle]

Make changes above Gray or we will continue repeat the same mistakes.

Grays performance is way below the standard we expect.

Fail to WIN against St Mirren and he should definitely go but none of us trust the recruitment.

Any Hibs manager who doesn’t make top 6 should be sacked - it’s not been confirmed yet but feels like we are way off finishing top 6.

Grays subs and team management is also a major concern - 3 players sent off already is just terrible discipline after all the strong character chat.

The worrying thing is if the same people get rid of Gray for someone else it come become even worse with their past track record - it’s been a decline last few managers so what’s not to say the next person is worse than Gray.

If the club sack him then fans should be demanding answers from those above why they are still in a job.

[McGruber]

It's a full round of fixtures.
1 win in 11
9% win rate
Least goals scored
9 goals conceded in the last 15 mins of games and 0 scored.

That last stat inparticular - that's poor game management and poor substitutions

[coldingham hibs]

Can’t get the team to perform for 90 minutes, without fail we have a big dip in performance that ultimately results in a goal for the opposition. No sign that that is about to change. Should never have been given the job.

[ChuckNor]

I said in another thread that it is inexcusable at this point failing to win games and constantly conceding these horrendous late goals and that this probably is the time to get a new manager. I've calmed down a bit and think Gray deserves another week. If we beat St Mirren then he gets another week. Any other manager and today would have been the final straw.

Either way we are a disaster. I wanted Gray in as manager but it is increasingly looking like it was the wrong decision. Malky Mackay (who was appointed by Ben Kensell) signed what looks to me to be a really poorly balanced team with zero creativity. You can't dominate a team like that today and create so few chances. Have we scored a goal yet where we have cut a team open? I can't think of any. It has mostly been from crosses or set pieces.

[Bostonhibby]

Make changes above Gray or we will continue repeat the same mistakes.

Grays performance is way below the standard we expect.

Fail to WIN against St Mirren and he should definitely go but none of us trust the recruitment.

Any Hibs manager who doesn’t make top 6 should be sacked - it’s not been confirmed yet but feels like we are way off finishing top 6.

Grays subs and team management is also a major concern - 3 players sent off already is just terrible discipline after all the strong character chat.

The worrying thing is if the same people get rid of Gray for someone else it come become even worse with the past track record.

If the club sack him then fans should be demanding answers from those above why they are still in a job.Agree entirely, unless they get really lucky-emphasising the word lucky- it won't matter much who is next in the ER musical chair.

The club is rotten/soulless/clueless from the top down and the gang running it shouldn't have the opportunity to put another fall guy in to allow them to carry on playing at golden quadrants, non specific "processes" and other bull**** bingo whilst collecting some very nice salaries and getting the chance to have important sounding titles.

Real change above won't come about this season though so I expect SDG may get the bullet and Malky will be the hand on the tiller,official or otherwise.

May SDG should walk before he's pushed.

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[1875M]

1 win in 11. At that rate, we’ll win 3/4 games all season. Circus upstairs has to go before him, otherwise nothing will change.

[Donegal Hibby]

Stay … played well today , think it could clearly be seen the players are playing for him .

[DIXIHIBS]

We were well beaten first two games of the season. Since then theres not been much between the teams but we have lost late goals/ points in 6 out of 9 games. Possibly 11? points gone after the 80 minute mark. Demoralising for the team and fans. If we were getting played off the park every week I would say Gray should go, but surely that takes us back to square one, no guarantee the any new manager can change things. Gray has to be given the chance. If we're still bottom in after 2 rounds of games or so then time up but constant change has been proven not to work and the current board cannot be trusted to bring in the right replacement.

[K-Zazu]

Bottom of the league. It’s not working.

[The Modfather]

If he stays (which he will for now) we’re just kicking the can down the road. We give him next week and win, does that mean everything is OK and we keep him? Then we come back after the international break and see more of the same but we’ve wasted time and probably more games. We’re sleepwalking right towards relegation here.

Agree with this. Survival this season and matching last seasons finish appears to be the ceiling we can expect from Gray. It would be typical Hibs to survive this season and finally get to the seeming answer to all our problems of next summers clear out and our rookie manager, who gave Newell captaincy and a 3 year deal as well as tried his best to make Campbell work, is the man entrusted with the relative blank canvass of building a new squad.

[skyehibee]

Go - the football is poor to watch and a better more attacking manager would have won more

[Mikey_1875]

Go. We are supposed to be targeting 3rd-5th. Today wasn’t a bad performance in isolation so I doubt he will be going but our next “bad” defeat will need to see action taken unless there is a remarkable turnaround.

[B.H.F.C]

Go. We are supposed to be targeting 3rd-5th. Today wasn’t a bad performance in isolation so I doubt he will be going but our next “bad” defeat will need to see action taken unless there is a remarkable turnaround.

This is why I think we are in a really dangerous position.

When we’ve been brutal in the past the performances have been just that, absolutely brutal. Now I’m not saying we’re playing well, far from it, but if you look at today it certainly wasn’t brutal and the players are still playing for him.

Because of who he is and what has went before, he’s going to hang on. I worry that we’re in a position that is difficult to recover from by the time we make a change. It’s a matter of when not if, sadly.

[Nicho87]

Heard a stat this season

If games ended on minute 85

Hibs would be level points with sevco

But they don’t and we’re definitely not even top 6 last time I checked

[Hiber-nation]

Stay … played well today , think it could clearly be seen the players are playing for him .

Yep there's no doubt they are, anyone who says different obviously didn't watch the game.

I think he should have made an offensive sub about 65-70 mins today as we were creating nothing. But I don't want him to go, the first half was very good. Let's see how Saturday goes.

[NC1875]

Yep there's no doubt they are, anyone who says different obviously didn't watch the game.

I think he should have made an offensive sub about 65-70 mins today as we were creating nothing. But I don't want him to go, the first half was very good. Let's see how Saturday goes.

And when we don’t get 3 points ? Just give him the next game ? And the one after ?

[RIP]

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[Tambo]

Went for willing to give him a game or two more.

Definitely good arguments from all posters on the aftermath of today's game, needs to learn from his mistakes and maybe manage games better with subs etc.

Game plan was spot on first half with what we have to work with player wise, did feel we went a bit flat for a spell in the second half.

Very frustrating again.

[eastmainsmsh]

Everyone likes David Gray but he has been thrown in too quick to suit Board for it to work he needs to appoint a experienced coach to assist him I'd rather owners and board had a massive shake up than Gray go just now

[Gatecrasher]

Would rather Kensall and Gordon went.

[Chorley Hibee]

Would rather Kensall and Gordon went.

Anything else is merely 'rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic'.

[Stuart93]

If gray goes, BK needs to walk and IG needs to hand the running of the club to BKFC.

Not sacking gray just now is unfortunately delaying the inevitable.

Bottom at this point as a sackable offence.

[Waxy]

Stay.
Without officials having shockers we wouldnt be bottom.
No way are we the worst team in the league.

[marinello59]

Stay.
Without officials having shockers we wouldnt be bottom.
No way are we the worst team in the league.

We are. We are where we deserve to be.

[bordergreen]

I am hoping he picks up enough to see him through to January. We are devoid of creativity in midfield. Gray knows that, that is why we went all in to get McCowan from Dundee. We would be a completely different side with McCowan in the middle. 2 or 3 good additions in January and we will be a much better side.

I would be gutted if Gray gets the sack. He needs to start winning to get him that time, I understand that.

[Gruff]

Grays inability to change things up will be his downfall ultimately.
Surely he could see that Dundee Utd were honking and some fresh legs and creativity around 65-70 mins might have got that 2nd goal. a few of the players were struggling at this point, but he left it waaaaay to late.
St Mirren really is his last chance saloon for me, and only 3 points will do, a draw is useless to us

[Real Emerald]

Yep there's no doubt they are, anyone who says different obviously didn't watch the game.

I think he should have made an offensive sub about 65-70 mins today as we were creating nothing. But I don't want him to go, the first half was very good. Let's see how Saturday goes.

He’s doing a magnificent job and a joy to watch. The excitement when the clock ticks to 89 minutes is an absolute joy, I couldn’t imagine the lack of excitement if he was to go. One win before Christmas too, it’s unbelievable, it almost makes me want to pay more than £400 for a season ticket, we’re soooo lucky. 👍

[B.H.F.C]

I am hoping he picks up enough to see him through to January. We are devoid of creativity in midfield. Gray knows that, that is why we went all in to get McCowan from Dundee. We would be a completely different side with McCowan in the middle. 2 or 3 good additions in January and we will be a much better side.

I would be gutted if Gray gets the sack. He needs to start winning to get him that time, I understand that.

Knowing it and doing something about it are two different things. We decided McCowan was the only option in the summer. Absolute stupidity and it’s costing us now.

[lyonhibs]

Sacking *another* manager whilst Kensall and Gordon remain in situ is the equivalent of rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic

[DIXIHIBS]

He’s doing a magnificent job and a joy to watch. The excitement when the clock ticks to 89 minutes is an absolute joy, I couldn’t imagine the lack of excitement if he was to go. One win before Christmas too, it’s unbelievable, it almost makes me want to pay more than £400 for a season ticket, we’re soooo lucky. 👍

No need.

[NC1875]

Well the poll speaks for itself. I’m glad most people can see this for what it is.

He needs to go, any other manager has us in a better position than this.

Wanting to prolong it is just madness.

I agree Ian Gordon and Kensell cannot have anything to do with the next appointment though.

But think the Black Knights will be saying “told you so” and should hopefully be listened to this time

[Real Emerald]

No need.

No one wants David Gray to suffer this but the whole coaching team ( and the rest) needs emptying. My loyalties are with Hibs and not with players or managers who have been fleetingly part of us, even though SDG had a part in all of our hearts,

[21May16]

Stay … played well today , think it could clearly be seen the players are playing for him .

You are obviously comparing my football club with the league of Ireland if you think we played well today mate with all due respect. At least the was urgency at 1-1 with ten men though.

15,000 odds they announced at the game today, not a bloody chance. I know people that couldn’t give their tickets away today. Criminal where the owners are taking us.

[21May16]

No need.

I’ve seen more deluded posts than that one on this thread to be fair.

[Donegal Hibby]

Yep there's no doubt they are, anyone who says different obviously didn't watch the game.

I think he should have made an offensive sub about 65-70 mins today as we were creating nothing. But I don't want him to go, the first half was very good. Let's see how Saturday goes.

I agree, certainly would have Youan on earlier in fairness . First half was good . I don’t want to see him go either and hope we get a win Saturday and start moving up the table after the break…

If he can do that and maybe get to January where again I’m hoping we spend some cash on a good creative No.10 and maybe move McKirdy out be it on loan and take in another striker might hopefully turn our fortunes around too .

[JimBHibees]

I see the improvement, today was tough luck and poor refereeing, some of our play today was a joy to watch, I think he is turning it around.
Give him time.

Agree really surprised so many seem determined not to give a proper chance to such a club legend

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

Go. Sorry Dave, but you just don't have it in you to become a successful Hibs manager.

[Billy McKirdy]

'a joy to watch'

Jesus wept 😂😂

I said some not all, obviously we have a problem finding the back of the net but credit where it’s due, we did play well today, your free to disagree but I’m just stating my opinions.
For what it’s worth I’m sure the Big Man up there would’ve been greeting at that referee today.

[JimBHibees]

Well the poll speaks for itself. I’m glad most people can see this for what it is.

He needs to go, any other manager has us in a better position than this.

Wanting to prolong it is just madness.

I agree Ian Gordon and Kensell cannot have anything to do with the next appointment though.

But think the Black Knights will be saying “told you so” and should hopefully be listened to this time

The poll says most fans want to give him longer

[JimBHibees]

You are obviously comparing my football club with the league of Ireland if you think we played well today mate with all due respect. At least the was urgency at 1-1 with ten men though.

15,000 odds they announced at the game today, not a bloody chance. I know people that couldn’t give their tickets away today. Criminal where the owners are taking us.

We were fine today

[Real Emerald]

We were fine today

If you keep saying it we’ll be in Europe next year. We threw the game away again today due to not getting goals. How is that fine?

[raeburnhibs]

You are obviously comparing my football club with the league of Ireland if you think we played well today mate with all due respect. At least the was urgency at 1-1 with ten men though.

15,000 odds they announced at the game today, not a bloody chance. I know people that couldn’t give their tickets away today. Criminal where the owners are taking us.

spraffing ***** on threads all over the place, 'my football club'....They did play pretty well and Triantis is a player

[Scottie]

We were fine today
Say it enough Jim and I might start believing you. Thought we were poor again today and only slightly better than a honking Dundee Utd team. We are bottom of the league cause we are shocking and it’s not gonna get better anytime soon under this regime or manager. Sad days indeed.

[21May16]

We were fine today

We threw away a lead for the second time in three weeks to a newly promoted piss poor team. At least we never lost though.

Your definition of fine is of a lot lower bar than mines then I suppose.

When was the last time in your eyes we weren’t fine? Every match you say the same as we sit bottom of the league. It’s a sin and anything but fine. Next you will be saying St Mirren is a must win.

[hibeedonald]

Was a bit different losing the lead this week, as the referee is to blame rather than the usual defensive meltdown.

[HFC93]

Grim that we're here again.

[JJP]

We have been on a decline for years. Are we really going to sack another manager when he’s only had 10 league games to sort it out? What sort of candidate are we going to attract and how can we convince them they will get time to sort things out?

[Hiber-nation]

We have been on a decline for years. Are we really going to sack another manager when he’s only had 10 league games to sort it out? What sort of candidate are we going to attract and how can we convince them they will get time to sort things out?

Yep this is it. Why is it always the manager's fault? I honestly think it could be catastrophic if we were to sack him now. Needs more time.

[21May16]

Yep this is it. Why is it always the manager's fault? I honestly think it could be catastrophic if we were to sack him now. Needs more time.

Why would it be catastrophic? Not saying it won’t but in what way?

[Donegal Hibby]

We threw away a lead for the second time in three weeks to a newly promoted piss poor team. At least we never lost though.

Your definition of fine is of a lot lower bar than mines then I suppose.

When was the last time in your eyes we weren’t fine? Every match you say the same as we sit bottom of the league. It’s a sin and anything but fine. Next you will be saying St Mirren is a must win.

I don’t think we threw away anything today , played well and were much the better team who looked in control to a point where Dundee Utd weren’t troubling our keeper at all ..

A joint effort between the Ref and VAR decided to help them out though.

[GreenCastle]

Was a bit different losing the lead this week, as the referee is to blame rather than the usual defensive meltdown.

But many walked out Easter Road feeling like we lost the game.

1 league win isn’t good enough so far. It’s really really poor.

No wins in 6
Bottom of the league
3 red cards in 11 games
5 out of 11 games we have been winning and failed to win
Haven’t beaten Dundee Utd in last 6 matches
By next Sunday 8 weeks since we last won
10 goals scored - joint lowest in league - next lowest is 13. We have a major issue scoring goals.
1 win out of 6 at home
0 away wins this season yet (remember only 1 away win in 2024 in league).

[Chorley Hibee]

But many walked out Easter Road feeling like we lost the game.

1 league win isn’t good enough so far. It’s really really poor.

No wins in 6
Bottom of the league
3 red cards in 11 games
5 out of 11 games we have been winning and failed to win
Haven’t beaten Dundee Utd in last 6 matches
By next Sunday 8 weeks since we last won
10 goals scored - joint lowest in league - next lowest is 13. We have a major issue scoring goals.
1 win out of 6 at home
0 away wins this season yet (remember only 1 away win in 2024 in league).

6 wins in our last 32 league games now.

Utterly embarrassing.

[hulk]

I’m fed up watching us play ok and still not convert our chances.
I,m fed up with playing one up front through the middle which doesn’t work.
I’m fed up that we bring every single player back when the opposition have a corner so we have no out ball.
I,m fed up dreading the end of every game knowing inevitably we are going to lose a goal or two and not score.

SDG gave me best day of my life but In my opinion he has 1 game left which he has to win otherwise we need to change

[B.H.F.C]

6 wins in our last 32 league games now.

Utterly embarrassing.

It’s incredible how rarely we’ve won games of football over the last year.

There is so little to suggest it’s going to change any time soon. Really don’t know where we go from here now or how we get out of this mess.

[Jock O]

Well the poll speaks for itself. I’m glad most people can see this for what it is.

He needs to go, any other manager has us in a better position than this.

Wanting to prolong it is just madness.

I agree Ian Gordon and Kensell cannot have anything to do with the next appointment though.

But think the Black Knights will be saying “told you so” and should hopefully be listened to this time

128 people I think speak only for themselves, not the greater population. I don't think any statistician would take that as any sort of representative sample, especially not from one rather hysterical source. Would also be interesting if each person voting can say if they actually attend matches or not. I get the impression the debates on here do not reflect the match day debates completely.

[Baader]

I would give him more time. Maybe out of blind loyalty, maybe I can't accept SDG not being the man to turn us around. The problems go far above him. If he goes then Ian Gordon needs to either sell up or completely remove himself and Kensell from any involvement in the running of the football side of the club. The endgame with that pair will inevitably be relegation.

[Itsnoteasy]

One more game. Played well for 80 mins.

We'd be near the top of the league if the game finished after 80 mins.

[Keepthefaith]

I thought we played better today - clear we were missing Bowie and Gayle but there were passages of play where we played more one touch football which improved our attacking approach. defensively I thought Ek and OHora both played better and was probably Obita and Millers best games of the season.

problem is no real creativity in the midfield and a lack of pace up top. I was critical of gray for being defensive in previous games when we were leading only for his subs to put us under more pressure, but I thought today he tried to get us the win and even with 10 we looked more likely to score.

by all means criticise what's been unacceptable so far but it's important to recognise the positives. there's nothing between the bottom 7 at this point and despite us being bottom I've not seen anything which suggests we're miles worse than anyone other than Celtic.

I agree that I'd have liked to see a more experienced manager come in - Gray's position is compounded by how well Thelin has done - but the bigger issue is the recruitment, situation with Youan and key injury to Bowie IMO.

for those not at the game I thought it was telling how much of the east stand applauded the team off the pitch - there wasn't the cacophony of boos some on here would lead us to believe and I think the majority of the support could see that Hibs deserved to win and put in a significant effort to try and do that.

[He's here!]

spraffing ***** on threads all over the place, 'my football club'....They did play pretty well and Triantis is a player

I get the impression he/she is a yam trying too hard to convince as a die-hard Hibby.

[B.H.F.C]

by all means criticise what's been unacceptable so far but it's important to recognise the positives. there's nothing between the bottom 7 at this point and despite us being bottom I've not seen anything which suggests we're miles worse than anyone other than Celtic.


The search for positives gets more desperate by the week. We’re now on to there not being much between the bottom 7, of which we are currently the worst.

11 points dropped from winning positions now and no sign of that stopping.

Very little to be positive about as far as Hibs are concerned.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I would rather he be replaced now. There is certainly a place for SDG at the club, but I think we need a new manager before this gets any worse. It isn’t getting better; we need a few wins quickly, otherwise we could be in trouble. I wouldn’t trust these players in a relegation fight. Get someone in who can put a few wins on the board by hook or by crook.

[Houston7]

Well the poll speaks for itself. I’m glad most people can see this for what it is.

He needs to go, any other manager has us in a better position than this.

Wanting to prolong it is just madness.

I agree Ian Gordon and Kensell cannot have anything to do with the next appointment though.

But think the Black Knights will be saying “told you so” and should hopefully be listened to this time

These types of polls are a complete waste of time. In the main, it’s only those extremely keen on a change who vote.
133 voting in favour speaks for itself (I.e. the poll) - hardly for the majority of supporters. Also, some make decisions based on false information. For example, some today were ranting about McKirdy replacing Miller - presumably based on inaccurate information on LiveScore.
Sorry, after 75 years following Hibs, I’ve become very weary of this. I’m rather disillusioned, but don’t think changing the Coach yet again is the answer.
Sorry, not directed at you personally!

[NC1875]

These types of polls are a complete waste of time. In the main, it’s only those extremely keen on a change who vote.
133 voting in favour speaks for itself (I.e. the poll) - hardly for the majority of supporters. Also, some make decisions based on false information. For example, some today were ranting about McKirdy replacing Miller - presumably based on inaccurate information on LiveScore.
Sorry, after 75 years following Hibs, I’ve become very weary of this. I’m rather disillusioned, but don’t think changing the Coach yet again is the answer.
Sorry, not directed at you personally!

We’re all here to discuss all things Hibs, it can get heated at times but it’s never personal. We wouldn’t be having these conversations if the clowns in charge could put a winning team on the pitch.!

For me, I just think any semi competent manager would have us well away from last place.

I get the “we can’t keep sacking managers” but I feel that when and that’s when and not if, they have to sack Gray, they then have to admit they got it wrong again and let BK’s appoint the next guy.

So I feel it’ll either be that or Gray will get to continue, which as the evidence so far shows, could be disastrous.

[WestCoastHibby]

I think we were unlucky yet again and really don’t want to go through a will they won’t they situation once more
I’d say give it until Xmas / New year
He’s pretty uninspiring in post match but that’s not what counts; he just needs to inspire three or four wins double rapid

[21May16]

I don’t think we threw away anything today , played well and were much the better team who looked in control to a point where Dundee Utd weren’t troubling our keeper at all ..

A joint effort between the Ref and VAR decided to help them out though.

Copy and paste from many other weeks mate. We got what we deserved.

[GreenCastle]

We’re all here to discuss all things Hibs, it can get heated at times but it’s never personal. We wouldn’t be having these conversations if the clowns in charge could put a winning team on the pitch.!

For me, I just think any semi competent manager would have us well away from last place.

I get the “we can’t keep sacking managers” but I feel that when and that’s when and not if, they have to sack Gray, they then have to admit they got it wrong again and let BK’s appoint the next guy.

So I feel it’ll either be that or Gray will get to continue, which as the evidence so far shows, could be disastrous.

The small problem (or big problem) is that we have no idea what the club would do next.

Letting Black Knights take charge on next manager is just Hibs and just hoping the next choice of manager isn’t done by Kensell / MM and co.

Sadly we don’t even know if that will happen.

I keep hearing fans say we are due some luck / unlucky - what happens if you don’t believe in luck ?!! I don’t believe we have been unlucky - just not good enough in key situations. When patterns emerge like how we lose goals and late goals that’s happening for various reasons.

[blackpoolhibs]

The small problem (or big problem) is that we have no idea what the club would do next.

Letting Black Knights take charge on next manager is just Hibs and just hoping the next choice of manager isn’t done by Kensell / MM and co.

Sadly we don’t even know if that will happen.

I keep hearing fans so we are due some luck / unlucky - what happens if you don’t believe in luck ?!! I don’t believe we have been unlucky - just not good enough in key situations.

Exactly, a good enough team would be much higher in the league, we dont have that.

We have a club that just stumbles along from one disaster to another, a board who rip up one strategy after another.

We now have another new inexperienced manager working with players brought to the club by McKay and his invisible recruitment team.

And that has so far been a complete ****show, we've seen a steady decline in quality under this new owner, and i've gone from thinking we should have enough to be safe from relegation to thinking it is now a real possibility.

Remember we were promised best of the rest when the Gordons took over, we are now worst of the rest.:rolleyes:

Our club is in real trouble, January now is very very important not only for player recruitment, but who does it.

The club cant keep making the same mistakes, they have someone on the board who know how to make clubs a success, they need to use them as this lot do not.

[GreenCastle]

Exactly, a good enough team would be much higher in the league, we dont have that.

We have a club that just stumbles along from one disaster to another, a board who rip up one strategy after another.

We now have another new inexperienced manager working with players brought to the club by McKay and his invisible recruitment team.

And that has so far been a complete ****show, we've seen a steady decline in quality under this new owner, and i've gone from thinking we should have enough to be safe from relegation to thinking it is now a real possibility.

Remember we were promised best of the rest when the Gordons took over, we are now worst of the rest.:rolleyes:

Our club is in real trouble, January now is very very important not only for player recruitment, but who does it.

The club cant keep making the same mistakes, they have someone on the board who know how to make clubs a success, they need to use them as this lot do not.

I’m currently in the mindset we are going down and every game is an opportunity to stay up. If we keep missing these opportunities like yesterday we deserve to go down.

The worst thing we can keep doing is saying things will be ok and “luck” will change and performance levels are good etc.

If you look at the league gaps are starting to form - some may think it’s only a few points but every week teams keep picking up points here and there - wouldn’t be surprised if at Christmas we are adrift by more than 6 points unless we start winning games soon.

[Since452]

It's our worst start to a season after 11 games, ever. We can blame referees all we want but yet again we've somehow thrown away a win in the latter stages. Please go David before we get relegated, and we will. It's just not working.

[LustForLeith]

It’s not the fact he should go, it’s the fact he should never have got the job in the first place

A coach who worked under what? Four managers who got punted? What did the club see in him at that point that thought - I know what - let’s go for him. I still reckon if it wasn’t for that goal against Rangers he wouldn’t still be at the club

He was the cheapest option and the club knew that cause he’s SDG he’d be given a bit longer by fans because of this

Weirdly I think he should stay until the end of the season at least. I don’t trust those in charge of Hibs are capable of appointing a suitable replacement. No doubt the January transfer window comes and we bring in a could of decent players and wing it until this elusive summer transfer window when we get rid of loads that the club keeps talking about

So I didn’t want him in the first place but I’m not confident the club can replace him

[JimBHibees]

If you keep saying it we’ll be in Europe next year. We threw the game away again today due to not getting goals. How is that fine?

We were clearly the better team and got done over by var not that difficult to work out.

[JimBHibees]

We threw away a lead for the second time in three weeks to a newly promoted piss poor team. At least we never lost though.

Your definition of fine is of a lot lower bar than mines then I suppose.

When was the last time in your eyes we weren’t fine? Every match you say the same as we sit bottom of the league. It’s a sin and anything but fine. Next you will be saying St Mirren is a must win.

We were ok v Hearts should have won and poor v county. Very very fine margins in these games as you know. The league is very tight couple of wins and you jump places. The central defenders particularly Marvin are improving game on game the midfield controlled the game. Clearly not scoring enough at present. Dundee United have started the season well.

[JimBHibees]

I thought we played better today - clear we were missing Bowie and Gayle but there were passages of play where we played more one touch football which improved our attacking approach. defensively I thought Ek and OHora both played better and was probably Obita and Millers best games of the season.

problem is no real creativity in the midfield and a lack of pace up top. I was critical of gray for being defensive in previous games when we were leading only for his subs to put us under more pressure, but I thought today he tried to get us the win and even with 10 we looked more likely to score.

by all means criticise what's been unacceptable so far but it's important to recognise the positives. there's nothing between the bottom 7 at this point and despite us being bottom I've not seen anything which suggests we're miles worse than anyone other than Celtic.

I agree that I'd have liked to see a more experienced manager come in - Gray's position is compounded by how well Thelin has done - but the bigger issue is the recruitment, situation with Youan and key injury to Bowie IMO.

for those not at the game I thought it was telling how much of the east stand applauded the team off the pitch - there wasn't the cacophony of boos some on here would lead us to believe and I think the majority of the support could see that Hibs deserved to win and put in a significant effort to try and do that.

Totally agree with that. Sometimes need to consider where we are and show a bit of patience. We are slowly getting better and David must be thinking he has walked under a ladder getting done over late in games.

[Springbank]

David Gray is on a 3 match unbeaten run that includes an Edinburgh Derby.

There is a reasonable chance he gets to end of November on a 7 match unbeaten run

So 2 things

1) do I think he - and equally importantly his backroom staff - are helping the team to fulfil its potential? No. Massive improvement required.

But

2) does he deserve to have the next 4 games?

I'd say yes.

If he's bottom after the Aberdeen game that's Game Over (because St Mirren, Dundee & Motherwell should all be winnable games with our squad)

[Cabbage-Patch]

11 points lost from winning positions
9 goals conceded after 70 minutes with zero scored
Lowest scorers in the league
6 wins in 2024
Worst disciplinary record
Bottom of the league
His substitutions or lack off have cost us nearly every game.
Goalkeeper is mince
Defence shakey
Midfield has no pace
Forwards can't score

I could go on. David Gray needs to go today along with the rest of the inept board however unless thr BKs fully lead next process there is zero point as every manager they have chosen has been worst than the last.

[Cabbage-Patch]

Totally agree with that. Sometimes need to consider where we are and show a bit of patience. We are slowly getting better and David must be thinking he has walked under a ladder getting done over late in games.

Coulda,woulda shoulda for me tbh. I was at the game yesterday and yes we were the better team against a particularly woeful utd team(ridiculous they are 11 points above us) but we are absolutely eye bleeding going forward and lack a cutting edge. A half decent team would have gone on to score 2 or 3 more yesterday and that's what lost us the win no some soft pen

[Brizo]

I voted give him longer but totally understand why other folk have voted differently. I've been disappointed in some of his substitutions and the instances of player naivety and indiscipline that's cost us points but don't believe we've been outplayed in most of our games. It's our inability to take chances and defensive lapses ( aided and abetted by that indiscipline ) that's cost us dearly. If he wasn't SDG and wasn't our 5th manager in 3 years maybe I would have voted differently, but I still have hope he can turn things around.

While we're 4 points off 6th place I'm happy to give him until Christmas to see if he can learn from his mistakes and those being made by a squad that player for player should , I think, be as good as most in the league. If we were to become detached from everyone else by a few points then I'd be changing my vote

My bigger picture concern is that I've no faith in the Gordon's ability to appoint a successful successor when SDG does go , as he undoubtedly will at some stage.

[Winston Ingram]

I was never Gray in and I'm not surprised in the slightest that we are where we are. After the season we had last year we needed a completely different approach and a steady experienced hand put in charge. Instead, the idiots in charge decided to bring in the most inexperienced coaching team that we've ever had. This was always going to happen.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Totally agree with that. Sometimes need to consider where we are and show a bit of patience. We are slowly getting better and David must be thinking he has walked under a ladder getting done over late in games.

We picked up 5 points in our first 6 games of which 2 were against the Old Firm. We’ve picked up 3 in our most recent 6 of which 1 was against the Old Firm (the Rangers game falls into both 6 game runs). We’re not slowly getting better at all.

[B.H.F.C]

Totally agree with that. Sometimes need to consider where we are and show a bit of patience. We are slowly getting better and David must be thinking he has walked under a ladder getting done over late in games.

Since our only win against St Johnstone, we’ve failed to win in the next 6 taking 3 points from 18. We’ve scored 5 goals in 6 games over that period and don’t look like improving on that. Without doing so, results don’t improve.

It isn’t bad luck that is causing us to get done over in games, bad decisions yesterday aside.

[Pagan Hibernia]

When Kensell and Gordon go first then there's a conversation to be had on SDG.

What on earth is the point in removing him now when those two failed chancers are entrusted with finding his replacement?

Gray is not immune from criticism of course and his game management has cost us points. But I've seen absolutely nothing to suggest they'll get the next appointment right so until they are binned, he should stay.

[McGruber]

David Gray is on a 3 match unbeaten run that includes an Edinburgh Derby.

There is a reasonable chance he gets to end of November on a 7 match unbeaten run

So 2 things

1) do I think he - and equally importantly his backroom staff - are helping the team to fulfil its potential? No. Massive improvement required.

But

2) does he deserve to have the next 4 games?

I'd say yes.

If he's bottom after the Aberdeen game that's Game Over (because St Mirren, Dundee & Motherwell should all be winnable games with our squad)

Regardless of whether folk are in the stay or go camp, I don't think our American owners will let it go that long. He'll get the weekend. Another 'must win'. If we go into the International break bottom of the league they'll pull the trigger - rightly or wrongly.

[JohnM1875]

When Kensell and Gordon go first then there's a conversation to be had on SDG.

What on earth is the point in removing him now when those two failed chancers are entrusted with finding his replacement?

Gray is not immune from criticism of course and his game management has cost us points. But I've seen absolutely nothing to suggest they'll get the next appointment right so until they are binned, he should stay.

I absolutely agree and want both out the club, but how will removing them make Gray a better coach?

[Winston Ingram]

I absolutely agree and want both out the club, but how will removing them make Gray a better coach?

This. They're not going anytime soon and in the meantime, Gray will take us into the Championship.

[Unseen work]

David Gray is on a 3 match unbeaten run that includes an Edinburgh Derby.

There is a reasonable chance he gets to end of November on a 7 match unbeaten run

So 2 things

1) do I think he - and equally importantly his backroom staff - are helping the team to fulfil its potential? No. Massive improvement required.

But

2) does he deserve to have the next 4 games?

I'd say yes.

If he's bottom after the Aberdeen game that's Game Over (because St Mirren, Dundee & Motherwell should all be winnable games with our squad)


Going by this season the chances of us having 7 matches unbeaten as absolutely zero

Even if he did get 7 games ‘unbeaten’ it’s still not good enough unless about 3 of when are wins.

7 points from 7 games is still nowhere near good enough.

Added to that I see no way that we are unbeaten against

St Mirren at home
Dundee away
Aberdeen at home
Motherwell away

Going by this season I reckon that’s 1 point away to Dundee, maybe a point against st Mirren next week but not counting on it

[Pagan Hibernia]

I absolutely agree and want both out the club, but how will removing them make Gray a better coach?

It won't of course, and I have real doubts that he is the man for the job long term. But this ridiculous managerial revolving door is costing us a fortune in pay-offs. That's on them, they shouldn't have appointed SDG, they shouldn't have appointed Monty, they shouldn't have appointed LJ, and they shouldn't have appointed Maloney. If they get rid of Gray then they should immediately delegate to the Black Knights to oversee the next appointment. This madness simply can't continue. If it does we'll be having the exact same polls and threads on here in another 6 or 9 months

[21May16]

I get the impression he/she is a yam trying too hard to convince as a die-hard Hibby.

That would be as sad as calling they scarf twirling ******s "yams". :agree:

[Donegal Hibby]

Coulda,woulda shoulda for me tbh. I was at the game yesterday and yes we were the better team against a particularly woeful utd team(ridiculous they are 11 points above us) but we are absolutely eye bleeding going forward and lack a cutting edge. A half decent team would have gone on to score 2 or 3 more yesterday and that's what lost us the win no some soft pen

This particularly woeful team that a half decent team would have gone onto score 2 or 3 more in have …. Beaten St mirren and hertz away , only lost to Sevco 1-0 and only been beaten at pittodrie 1-0 thanks to a 84th minute winner .

Decisions in games change things , big decisions can effect the result and yesterday we had two that both wrongly went against us which is what ultimately cost us the win .

[Ronniekirk]

We were ok v Hearts should have won and poor v county. Very very fine margins in these games as you know. The league is very tight couple of wins and you jump places. The central defenders particularly Marvin are improving game on game the midfield controlled the game. Clearly not scoring enough at present. Dundee United have started the season well.

But the most important thing at the moment is finding a way to win games and all we seem to be doing is improving slightly but finding more and more ways to loose games late on from winning positions
St Mirren game is another opportunity to win a game , but we really need to take it

[JimBHibees]

But the most important thing at the moment is finding a way to win games and all we seem to be doing is improving slightly but finding more and more ways to loose games late on from winning positions
St Mirren game is another opportunity to win a game , but we really need to take it

Only reason we didn’t win yesterday was mistakes by var

[JimBHibees]

Coulda,woulda shoulda for me tbh. I was at the game yesterday and yes we were the better team against a particularly woeful utd team(ridiculous they are 11 points above us) but we are absolutely eye bleeding going forward and lack a cutting edge. A half decent team would have gone on to score 2 or 3 more yesterday and that's what lost us the win no some soft pen

The soft pen was why we didn’t win

[Skol]

We gave gray the job and he needs to be given time. I get the concerns, but reacting now and appointing someone else is another risk.

There are fine margins, we could easily have won the last two home games. Sadly we didn’t.

Gray should see out the season as a minimum

[B.H.F.C]

We gave gray the job and he needs to be given time. I get the concerns, but reacting now and appointing someone else is another risk.

There are fine margins, we could easily have won the last two home games. Sadly we didn’t.

Gray should see out the season as a minimum

Time needs to be earned, it can’t (and won’t) just be given. The only way to earn it is by getting results. If we don’t start getting results, he’ll be gone soon given how bad a start he’s had.

[JohnM1875]

We gave gray the job and he needs to be given time. I get the concerns, but reacting now and appointing someone else is another risk.

There are fine margins, we could easily have won the last two home games. Sadly we didn’t.

Gray should see out the season as a minimum

Based on what? Other than blind faith and 'we can't keep sacking managers'?

So far, after over a quarter of a season, Gray has us bottom and has won one of his first 11 league games. There's genuinely nothing to suggest that's going to somehow change in the coming weeks.

[Fifeshirehibs]

It's go for me.Fitness levels are appalling as are the substitutions or lack of them ! If games lasted 75 mins we would have 20 points !!!!!!!!

[NC1875]

We gave gray the job and he needs to be given time. I get the concerns, but reacting now and appointing someone else is another risk.

There are fine margins, we could easily have won the last two home games. Sadly we didn’t.

Gray should see out the season as a minimum

Should see out the season ? Based on what ?

He’s managed to make an average team the worst in the league.

[Winston Ingram]

We gave gray the job and he needs to be given time. I get the concerns, but reacting now and appointing someone else is another risk.

There are fine margins, we could easily have won the last two home games. Sadly we didn’t.

Gray should see out the season as a minimum

This is the problem with appointing a rookie. If there were any track record of him knowing what he was doing, I'd agree, but there isn't. Additionally, if he was demonstrating anything to suggest he knows what he's doing, then maybe but he isn't. He's made us worse, his management team behind him has have little experience and don't even have their badges. His subs are nuts, the football is rotten and there's also evidence of unrest in the dressing room. There is absolutely nothing whatsoever to suggest he has a clue what he's doing.

It's too big a risk to stick with him.

[Since452]

This is the problem with appointing a rookie. If there were any track record of him knowing what he was doing, I'd agree, but there isn't. Additionally, if he was demonstrating anything to suggest he knows what he's doing, then maybe but he isn't. He's made us worse, his management team behind him has have little experience and don't even have their badges. His subs are nuts, the football is rotten and there's also evidence of unrest in the dressing room. There is absolutely nothing whatsoever to suggest he has a clue what he's doing.

It's too big a risk to stick with him.

This is where I am. I don't think he'd come but I'd love to see us break the bank for McInnes and some qualified coaches. I'm convinced we'd push on. The players will soon be thinking Gray isn't up to it and with no track record to say otherwise that is very dangerous for us.

[Wilson]

This is where I am. I don't think he'd come but I'd love to see us break the bank for McInnes and some qualified coaches. I'm convinced we'd push on. The players will soon be thinking Gray isn't up to it and with no track record to say otherwise that is very dangerous for us.

Killie aren't exactly flying. Throwing terms like 'break the bank' about is easy when you're not paying. How much would that cost exactly? And if you're paying that sort of money is DM seriously the best fit? The best value for that money?

There is a very strong argument that he is also a big risk but an expensive one at that.

You fancy him. Fair enough. It's an expensive gamble on you being right. On current results he isn't all that. I don't see him successful here. We'd probably want more than he delivers for the cost to get him.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Killie aren't exactly flying. Throwing terms like 'break the bank' about is easy when you're not paying. How much would that cost exactly? And if you're paying that sort of money is DM seriously the best fit? The best value for that money?

There is a very strong argument that he is also a big risk but an expensive one at that.

You fancy him. Fair enough. It's an expensive gamble on you being right. On current results he isn't all that. I don't see him successful here. We'd probably want more than he delivers for the cost to get him.

What’s the very strong argument that he’s a big risk?

[Wilson]

What’s the very strong argument that he’s a big risk?

That his stellar period with Aberdeen, in a weakened division, is a statistical anomaly in an otherwise bang average managerial career. Producing stodgy football at a win percentage no better than Lee Johnson. Proven in 100+ games at St Johnstone and Killie. A record his supporters think will change just because we are hibs? Nah.

If you're spending big you don't go for that. He won't do for hibs what Thelin is doing at Aberdeen.

[Paulie Walnuts]

That his stellar period with Aberdeen, in a weakened division, is a statistical anomaly in an otherwise bang average managerial career. Producing stodgy football at a win percentage no better than Lee Johnson. Proven in 100+ games at St Johnstone and Killie. A record his supporters think will change just because we are hibs? Nah.

If you're spending big you don't go for that. He won't do for hibs what Thelin is doing at Aberdeen.

I’m not sure you can point to an 8 year period and write it off as an anomaly and then discount it to bring his overall career down to average.

The job he done at St Johnstone was very good and the job he’s done at Killie has been very good as well.

[Wilson]

I’m not sure you can point to an 8 year period and write it off as an anomaly and then discount it to bring his overall career down to average.

The job he done at St Johnstone was very good and the job he’s done at Killie has been very good as well.

I'll disagree based on current results. With time at Killie he has got a team that sits four points above Gray's imploding bottle merchants. Could be below us if we could see a game out. Forgive me if I don't think we throw money at that or roll out the red (green?) carpet!

[GreenPJ]

I personally would give Gray time - if changes are coming then give him the Jan window to see what he can change and progress from there. If we were to make a managerial change though then we should be sounding out Mowbray to see if he has appetite to take on a manager role again.

[GreenPJ]

This is the problem with appointing a rookie. If there were any track record of him knowing what he was doing, I'd agree, but there isn't. Additionally, if he was demonstrating anything to suggest he knows what he's doing, then maybe but he isn't. He's made us worse, his management team behind him has have little experience and don't even have their badges. His subs are nuts, the football is rotten and there's also evidence of unrest in the dressing room. There is absolutely nothing whatsoever to suggest he has a clue what he's doing.

It's too big a risk to stick with him.

What are the stories about unrest in the dressing room?

[WestStandWillie]

I can't see how Gray wins in any of this tbh.

Beat St Mirren, he buys himself time
Fail to beat Dundee, the knives are out for him again.

Rinse and repeat.

The inability to see out matches will likely cost him his job sadly.

[Donegal Hibby]

Killie aren't exactly flying. Throwing terms like 'break the bank' about is easy when you're not paying. How much would that cost exactly? And if you're paying that sort of money is DM seriously the best fit? The best value for that money?

There is a very strong argument that he is also a big risk but an expensive one at that.

You fancy him. Fair enough. It's an expensive gamble on you being right. On current results he isn't all that. I don't see him successful here. We'd probably want more than he delivers for the cost to get him.

One of the things that’s being used as a stick against Gray now is the style of football ( which personally I don’t think’s been bad ) and yet we know from watching our games against Aberdeen over the years what style McInnes teams play…

Seen it in our recent trip to Killie on a pitch that’s almost unplayable that it was always going to be nothing more than a battle.

Breaking the bank for Mcinnes isn’t going to make everything honky dory … like all mangers he’s hit bad runs of form with some terrible results at Bristol City , Aberdeen and Killie and if he was our manager the way his teams play would be used against him quicker than some realise .

Nobody is hammering us and in some of the games we have been the better team , daft mistakes and a lack of being clinical at times has cost us .

In our most recent game where we again looked the better team against one that’s been going well nobody could have predicted we’d get shafted by the officials, certainly wasn’t Grays fault IMO ….

We have been changing managers frequently and it’s got us nowhere .. it might not work out though I do think we should give Gray more time to see if he can turn things around.

[Wilson]

I can't see how Gray wins in any of this tbh.

Beat St Mirren, he buys himself time
Fail to beat Dundee, the knives are out for him again.

Rinse and repeat.

The inability to see out matches will likely cost him his job sadly.

Only wins followed by wins will do. Some of our results aren't bad in isolation. An away draw at Ross County. A draw in a derby. If we're winning elsewhere we can wear either of those.

Gray got pelters the other week for taking a knackered Hoilet off - because a knackered Hoilet is still more dangerous than what we were subbing on. Taking him off was the wrong decision (apparently) because we didn't win. He gets pelters this week though for NOT subbing him off. Leaving him on was the wrong decision (apparently) because we didn't win. So the only thing Gray can do that is right is win.

[Trinity Hibee]

I can't see how Gray wins in any of this tbh.

Beat St Mirren, he buys himself time
Fail to beat Dundee, the knives are out for him again.

Rinse and repeat.

The inability to see out matches will likely cost him his job sadly.

Completely agree. A run of consecutive wins looks very unlikely so all a win does is buy him a week. There is that inevitability feel about it all again sadly.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Completely agree. A run of consecutive wins looks very unlikely so all a win does is buy him a week. There is that inevitability feel about it all again sadly.

SDG doesn’t have to go and win ten on the spin, but one win in eleven won’t do. Everyone wants him to do well, but these results can’t continue. If he improves his win percentage and can cut the late goals we concede, he will be fine. Easier said than done, granted, but it’s results that matter, and so far his results aren’t good enough. I’d be in favour of bringing in a manger with experience now, but SDG knows what he needs to do to keep his job.

[Donegal Hibby]

Completely agree. A run of consecutive wins looks very unlikely so all a win does is buy him a week. There is that inevitability feel about it all again sadly.

Our next four games in St Mirren ( home ) , Dundee ( away ) , Aberdeen ( home) and Motherwell ( away ) will tell us more .. personally think 3 of them’s very winnable with Aberdeen at home being the hardest .

Pick up hopefully 3 points on Saturday and it gives us a lift going into the Dundee game and even a point in that would set us up nicely going into the Aberdeen game as we would be unbeaten in 5 .. all ifs and buts though one can only hope we turn a corner soon .

[21May16]

Our next four games in St Mirren ( home ) , Dundee ( away ) , Aberdeen ( home) and Motherwell ( away ) will tell us more .. personally think 3 of them’s very winnable with Aberdeen at home being the hardest .

Pick up hopefully 3 points on Saturday and it gives us a lift going into the Dundee game and even a point in that would set us up nicely going into the Aberdeen game as we would be unbeaten in 5 .. all ifs and buts though one can only hope we turn a corner soon .

Didn’t you say this before Dundee Utd away, then the **** game? Yet here we are three games later with not a win between them sitting bottom of the league and you are talking about winning three and beating Aberdeen? Come on to France mate.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Didn’t you say this before Dundee Utd away, then the **** game? Yet here we are three games later with not a win between them sitting bottom of the league and you are talking about winning three and beating Aberdeen? Come on to France mate.

:agree:

I’m not sure how the next 4 games are going to ‘tell us more’ as well. It’s became very apparent we are ****ing abysmal. We don’t need another 4 games to confirm it, we already know it, we’re bottom of the league for a reason.

[Unseen work]

Our next four games in St Mirren ( home ) , Dundee ( away ) , Aberdeen ( home) and Motherwell ( away ) will tell us more .. personally think 3 of them’s very winnable with Aberdeen at home being the hardest .

Pick up hopefully 3 points on Saturday and it gives us a lift going into the Dundee game and even a point in that would set us up nicely going into the Aberdeen game as we would be unbeaten in 5 .. all ifs and buts though one can only hope we turn a corner soon .

This chat of being unbeaten is driving me mental, 3 draws ffs

We don’t need a win and then a draw to set us up nicely for Aberdeen, we need 2 wins in a row.

Too many fans and players seem to be completely unbothered by us being bottom of the league in November and just think we’ll get out of it because we’re too good to go down

[Wilson]

This chat of being unbeaten is driving me mental, 3 draws ffs

We don’t need a win and then a draw to set us up nicely for Aberdeen, we need 2 wins in a row.

Too many fans and players seem to be completely unbothered by us being bottom of the league in November and just think we’ll get out of it because we’re too good to go down

What is wrong with three draws in a row? Good enough for McInnes on the 1st, 14th, and 28th of September. We've to break the bank for those kind of results!

[Paulie Walnuts]

What is wrong with three draws in a row? Good enough for McInnes on the 1st, 14th, and 28th of September. We've to break the bank for those kind of results!

You do realise McInnes is the manager of Kilmarnock, with a fraction of the budget of Hibs?

Should we extend that to presuming that Celtic should also be happy with 3 draws in a row because other teams in the league would be happy with it? Or would it be fair to say Celtic should be aiming for better than Hibs and whisper it, Hibs should be aiming for better results than Kilmarnock?

[21May16]

What is wrong with three draws in a row? Good enough for McInnes on the 1st, 14th, and 28th of September. We've to break the bank for those kind of results!

We are a much bigger club with a lot better resources than Kilmarnock. They have recently beaten the Huns at home and hertz away also. When was the last time we done either of them?

[Paulie Walnuts]

We are a much bigger club with a lot better resources than Kilmarnock. They have recently beaten the Huns at home and hertz away also. When was the last time we done either of them?

:agree:

Our wage budget is nearly 3 times that of Kilmarnock. Using the fact they had 3 draws at one point as justification for us having 3 draws in a row is laughable. Especially when they finished miles ahead of us last season and are well above us again this season.

[Donegal Hibby]

This chat of being unbeaten is driving me mental, 3 draws ffs

We don’t need a win and then a draw to set us up nicely for Aberdeen, we need 2 wins in a row.

Too many fans and players seem to be completely unbothered by us being bottom of the league in November and just think we’ll get out of it because we’re too good to go down

I thought we should have won the hertz game , didn’t do enough to win at Ross County and it was in the end up a decent point there all things considered , nobody could have predicted the s***show that happened in the Dundee Utd game that cost us a win either….

I’d love two wins from St mirren at home and Dundee away though I don’t think 4 points would be a disaster either ..

Your wrong there in too many fans are unbothered about us being bottom and while I can’t speak for anyone else though I don’t think in games like the Sevco , Killie and both the Dundee utd ones we are a million miles away from getting a win which is the reason I think we should give Gray more time ….

Not getting at you cause I think your a good poster though on another thread I think you mentioned Kettlewell as a possible candidate for the Hibs job if Gray was removed ..

didn’t he not go on a very bad run and the club stood by him ? .

[Smartie]

I can't see how Gray wins in any of this tbh.

Beat St Mirren, he buys himself time
Fail to beat Dundee, the knives are out for him again.

Rinse and repeat.

The inability to see out matches will likely cost him his job sadly.

He just needs to win some matches - enough to get us to a relatively safe position, where normal conversation can resume, even if that's still not good enough for Hibs.

I'm dead against sacking Gray and remain convinced our fortunes will turn, but even I'm not immune to the fact that if we find ourselves marooned at the bottom or if signs / stories emerge that he's lost the dressing room then he'd have to go.

For now I think there's plenty of evidence to suggest he should be carrying on - the league is tight, we're not losing many games, we're looking tough in defence and are only a tweak to improve our attacking play from looking like we should climb the table.

[Unseen work]

What is wrong with three draws in a row? Good enough for McInnes on the 1st, 14th, and 28th of September. We've to break the bank for those kind of results!

Because, quite simply, we need wins.

I’m not bothered about mccinnes or what he’s upto, but his budget will be a fraction of ours and has 2 more wins.

[Onion]

I can't see how Gray wins in any of this tbh.

Beat St Mirren, he buys himself time
Fail to beat Dundee, the knives are out for him again.

Rinse and repeat.

The inability to see out matches will likely cost him his job sadly.

Let's pray this doesn't turn out to be another Duff Jimmy with the Board just waiting for something positive to latch onto, so they can avoid making an objective decision. That cost us our league place.

Gordon, Kensell and MacKay have the added shame of having to face up to Foley, so ego/pride might be a problem.

[K-Zazu]

I thought we should have won the hertz game , didn’t do enough to win at Ross County and it was in the end up a decent point there all things considered , nobody could have predicted the s***show that happened in the Dundee Utd game that cost us a win either….

I’d love two wins from St mirren at home and Dundee away though I don’t think 4 points would be a disaster either ..

Your wrong there in too many fans are unbothered about us being bottom and while I can’t speak for anyone else though I don’t think in games like the Sevco , Killie and both the Dundee utd ones we are a million miles away from getting a win which is the reason I think we should give Gray more time ….

Not getting at you cause I think your a good poster though on another thread I think you mentioned Kettlewell as a possible candidate for the Hibs job if Gray was removed ..

didn’t he not go on a very bad run and the club stood by him ? .

What’s Grays style of play? Why don’t we create chances and score enough goals? It’s almost like you are just going to keep defending him anyway even though the reality is he’s completely out of his depth and we are bottom of a garbage league.

[Unseen work]

I thought we should have won the hertz game , didn’t do enough to win at Ross County and it was in the end up a decent point there all things considered , nobody could have predicted the s***show that happened in the Dundee Utd game that cost us a win either….

I’d love two wins from St mirren at home and Dundee away though I don’t think 4 points would be a disaster either ..

Your wrong there in too many fans are unbothered about us being bottom and while I can’t speak for anyone else though I don’t think in games like the Sevco , Killie and both the Dundee utd ones we are a million miles away from getting a win which is the reason I think we should give Gray more time ….

Not getting at you cause I think your a good poster though on another thread I think you mentioned Kettlewell as a possible candidate for the Hibs job if Gray was removed ..

didn’t he not go on a very bad run and the club stood by him ? .

I agree in that there’s a lot of games we’ve deserved the win and should be on a lot more points, I think the issue is that we have failed time and time again to get the win….once or twice is bad luck, but the amount it’s happened is concerning imo

I wasn’t meaning Kettlewell should get the job. It was more in relation to The black Knights have went with managers that are experienced in the league with Auckland and Lorient so was wondering if they would look to do similar with us.

But yeah I think kettlewell did go through a tough spell at the start of last season, not sure he’s as liked with motherwell fans as what I would expect either.

[Donegal Hibby]

What’s Grays style of play? Why don’t we create chances and score enough goals? It’s almost like you are just going to keep defending him anyway even though the reality is he’s completely out of his depth and we are bottom of a garbage league.

I agree we aren’t scoring enough goals , our goals for tells us that though it was only after something like the 7 game when I checked up on how many shots we had compared to Aberdeen who are flying and was surprised we had actually more at that stage …

Outside Celtic who are on a different planet to the rest of us I think our leagues very competitive and anyone can beat anyone on their day….

As to Gray it can’t indefinitely go on where we are bottom and not winning though in recent games I don’t think we’ve been altogether bad and in two of them we should have won …

Like Kettlewell whose names been mentioned I hope given time Gray can turn things around like he did too …

Might not work out like that but that’s where I’m at with it at this stage and don’t think OP like me that wants to give him more time should be jumped on for having a different opinion rather than folk that want to make another quick managerial change which quite frankly hasn’t got us nowhere up to now ! .

[B.H.F.C]

Let's pray this doesn't turn out to be another Duff Jimmy with the Board just waiting for something positive to latch onto, so they can avoid making an objective decision. That cost us our league place.

Gordon, Kensell and MacKay have the added shame of having to face up to Foley, so ego/pride might be a problem.

My big fear is that that things are allowed to drift along.

I think it’s possible that we win on Saturday (which I really hope we do) but I just don’t see us as being capable of stringing any run of results together. So the win buys him some time, you then revert to more of the same after the break, maybe get a win somewhere along the line that buys some more time.

Obviously the best option for everyone is that we just manage to pick up a good number of points with a few wins on the bounce but I just really can’t see us getting close to doing that just now. Bottom line is that he needs to get wins, not a win (although that obviously needs to be the starting point).

[Sioux]

I agree we aren’t scoring enough goals , our goals for tells us that though it was only after something like the 7 game when I checked up on how many shots we had compared to Aberdeen who are flying and was surprised we had actually more at that stage …

Outside Celtic who are on a different planet to the rest of us I think our leagues very competitive and anyone can beat anyone on their day….

As to Gray it can’t indefinitely go on where we are bottom and not winning though in recent games I don’t think we’ve been altogether bad and in two of them we should have won …

Like Kettlewell whose names been mentioned I hope given time Gray can turn things around like he did too …

Might not work out like that but that’s where I’m at with it at this stage and don’t think OP like me that wants to give him more time should be jumped on for having a different opinion rather than folk that want to make another quick managerial change which quite frankly hasn’t got us nowhere up to now ! .

Unfortunately, Hibs are doing well to disprove that theory.

[Donegal Hibby]

Unfortunately, Hibs are doing well to disprove that theory.

So far yes though after watching some of our recent games I live in hope that things will change soon 🤞

[21May16]

I agree we aren’t scoring enough goals , our goals for tells us that though it was only after something like the 7 game when I checked up on how many shots we had compared to Aberdeen who are flying and was surprised we had actually more at that stage …

Outside Celtic who are on a different planet to the rest of us I think our leagues very competitive and anyone can beat anyone on their day….

As to Gray it can’t indefinitely go on where we are bottom and not winning though in recent games I don’t think we’ve been altogether bad and in two of them we should have won …

Like Kettlewell whose names been mentioned I hope given time Gray can turn things around like he did too …

Might not work out like that but that’s where I’m at with it at this stage and don’t think OP like me that wants to give him more time should be jumped on for having a different opinion rather than folk that want to make another quick managerial change which quite frankly hasn’t got us nowhere up to now ! .

Kettlewell got the job because of the outstanding one he done as caretaker and continued that. SDG has been brutal since the start. Massive massive difference.

[Onion]

2/3rds saying give more time. Much of this has to be the David Gray factor. Any other new manager with this record, subs and propensity to collapse would have been derided.

What I don't get is, the Owner & Board know full well how shocking results have been, how shattering the regular loss of late goals has been to Hibs fans, that we're rooted at the bottom of th league but... not a word from any of them. Am not suggesting they could explain this away, but some recognition of the angst this is causing Hibs fans, that we're all in this together, that they're on the case, could not do any harm. Carrying on like its BAU is nuts.

[Donegal Hibby]

Kettlewell got the job because of the outstanding one he done as caretaker and continued that. SDG has been brutal since the start. Massive massive difference.

What kind of job did he do at Ross County?

[21May16]

What kind of job did he do at Ross County?

Done a brilliant job at first too. Was joint manager with another boy and had a good season. Then the following season he lost his job. What kind of job has SDG done in any head coach role to date?

[Donegal Hibby]

Done a brilliant job at first too. Was joint manager with another boy and had a good season. Then the following season he lost his job. What kind of job has SDG done in any head coach role to date?

He was sacked on December the 19 2020 after losing 2-0 to Hamilton which left them 4 points adrift at the bottom, they had only won one I think of their last sixteen games ….

He did do well as caretaker manager which Gray done at us when he had to step in under difficult circumstances.

After that at one point Kettlewell went on a very bad run , eleven games or over without a win I think though the Motherwell board stood by him and he is now doing well…

Showing patience and support to their manager seems to be paying off for Motherwell now when it was probably easier to pull the plug on him …

Food for thought on this one I think 🤔

[Billy Whizz]

He was sacked on December the 19 2020 after losing 2-0 to Hamilton which left them 4 points adrift at the bottom, they had only won one I think of their last sixteen games ….

He did do well as caretaker manager which Gray done at us when he had to step in under difficult circumstances.

After that at one point Kettlewell went on a very bad run , eleven games or over without a win I think though the Motherwell board stood by him and he is now doing well…

Showing patience and support to their manager seems to be paying off for Motherwell now when it was probably easier to pull the plug on him …

Food for thought on this one I think 🤔

He’s got a really experienced assistant with him at Motherwell in Stephen Frail, it must help bouncing ideas off him

[21May16]

He was sacked on December the 19 2020 after losing 2-0 to Hamilton which left them 4 points adrift at the bottom, they had only won one I think of their last sixteen games ….

He did do well as caretaker manager which Gray done at us when he had to step in under difficult circumstances.

After that at one point Kettlewell went on a very bad run , eleven games or over without a win I think though the Motherwell board stood by him and he is now doing well…

Showing patience and support to their manager seems to be paying off for Motherwell now when it was probably easier to pull the plug on him …

Food for thought on this one I think 🤔

SDG took two or three games as caretaker. Kettlewell was there for a month as caretaker instantly turned them around and carried that on before a poor spell. DDGs as head coach has been the minute we took on Kelty Hearts, he also started very well at Ross County. Two clubs with a lot less money than us. Don’t know why you are comparing it with SDG who has been **** from the start with literally no improvement we are just to be patient for the sake of it based on absolute nothing because Motherwell were patient with Kettlewell when he had a poor spell 8 months after he took over? It makes little sense at all. See if he had shown literally anything I would cling on to it and agree, there’s nothing bar one win that cost another manager their job and even then it was a pretty lucky win.

[NC1875]

He was sacked on December the 19 2020 after losing 2-0 to Hamilton which left them 4 points adrift at the bottom, they had only won one I think of their last sixteen games ….

He did do well as caretaker manager which Gray done at us when he had to step in under difficult circumstances.

After that at one point Kettlewell went on a very bad run , eleven games or over without a win I think though the Motherwell board stood by him and he is now doing well…

Showing patience and support to their manager seems to be paying off for Motherwell now when it was probably easier to pull the plug on him …

Food for thought on this one I think 🤔

The myth that Gray done well as caretaker 🤔

Last game of last season we failed to beat the worst Livi side in years. Since then he’s been made permanent manager, signed a whole team of players and taken us to the heady heights of 12th of a league full of bang average teams.

You keep going on about how we should have won this game and we should have won that game.

The reality is, we’ve won one game all season.

Every next game is a must win game, until we do actually lose it. Then it’s the next one that really matters, and then the next one.

And before we know it, we’re in the championship. But at least we gave David Gray time.

[21May16]

The myth that Gray done well as caretaker 🤔

Last game of last season we failed to beat the worst Livi side in years. Since then he’s been made permanent manager, signed a whole team of players and taken us to the heady heights of 12th of a league full of bang average teams.

You keep going on about how we should have won this game and we should have won that game.

The reality is, we’ve won one game all season.

Every next game is a must win game, until we do actually lose it. Then it’s the next one that really matters, and then the next one.

And before we know it, we’re in the championship. But at least we gave David Gray time.

Same was said under Monty and LJ but at least they had some wins to fall back on. It seems some have actually forgotten what it’s like to have a good Hibs side under a proper experienced or decent manager. Any old mud at the wall will do and we must back them no matter what because we can’t keep sacking the failing appointments.

[Donegal Hibby]

SDG took two or three games as caretaker. Kettlewell was there for a month as caretaker instantly turned them around and carried that on before a poor spell. DDGs as head coach has been the minute we took on Kelty Hearts, he also started very well at Ross County. Two clubs with a lot less money than us. Don’t know why you are comparing it with SDG who has been **** from the start with literally no improvement we are just to be patient for the sake of it based on absolute nothing because Motherwell were patient with Kettlewell when he had a poor spell 8 months after he took over? It makes little sense at all. See if he had shown literally anything I would cling on to it and agree, there’s nothing bar one win that cost another manager their job and even then it was a pretty lucky win.

Are you seriously trying to tell me that Gray was only caretaker for two or three games?.. unbelievable 😂😂😂

[CapitalGreen]

Are you seriously trying to tell me that Gray was only caretaker for two or three games?.. unbelievable 😂😂😂

In his 27 games as a manager across all spells he has never beaten a team in the top 6.

[21May16]

Are you seriously trying to tell me that Gray was only caretaker for two or three games?.. unbelievable ������


3 when Ross got sacked - W1 L1 D1

5 when Maloney got sacked W2 L 2 D1 (All bottom 6 pish)

3 when LJ got sacked W2 D1

2 when monty got sacked W1 D1 (bottom 6 pish)

Temp managed 13.

W6 L3 D4
I wouldn't call that doing well. Especially when 7 of the games was bottom 6. And you have the cheek to laugh, the most delusional poster here or on the wind up.

[WhileTheChief..]

The myth that Gray done well as caretaker 🤔

Last game of last season we failed to beat the worst Livi side in years. Since then he’s been made permanent manager, signed a whole team of players and taken us to the heady heights of 12th of a league full of bang average teams.

You keep going on about how we should have won this game and we should have won that game.

The reality is, we’ve won one game all season.

Every next game is a must win game, until we do actually lose it. Then it’s the next one that really matters, and then the next one.

And before we know it, we’re in the championship. But at least we gave David Gray time.

:top marks

It's been like this since the day they sacked Jack Ross.

So many excuses for the total failure we've witnessed through Maloney, Johnston, Montgomery, and now Gray.

We've barely signed one decent player since the Gordon's arrived, and each transfer window that passes, our squad gets weaker.

No idea what it will take for the penny to drop.

How long do we stay in the bottom two before we realise it's not working?

If we're still bottom in March do we just carry on because we've sacked too many managers recently? Or because it's SDG?

Something needs to change soon. It might be harsh on Gray, but he must know things can't go on like this.

[Donegal Hibby]

3 when Ross got sacked - W1 L1 D1

5 when Maloney got sacked W2 L 2 D1 (All bottom 6 pish)

3 when LJ got sacked W2 D1

2 when monty got sacked W1 D1 (bottom 6 pish)

Temp managed 13.

W6 L3 D4
I wouldn't call that doing well. Especially when 7 of the games was bottom 6. And you have the cheek to laugh, the most delusional poster here or on the wind up.

You did say he was only in charge for only two or three games !!!

Two of the defeats came against Celtic in the cup final and Aston Villa away though I suppose in your eyes they were bad results too …

As to being delusional I wasn’t the one that referred to Hibs as being “ MY CLUB “ . I don’t know how he’s going to fair out but I do think he should get more time which Motherwell gave there manager after a worse run their manager was on .

[MWHIBBIES]

3 when Ross got sacked - W1 L1 D1

5 when Maloney got sacked W2 L 2 D1 (All bottom 6 pish)

3 when LJ got sacked W2 D1

2 when monty got sacked W1 D1 (bottom 6 pish)

Temp managed 13.

W6 L3 D4
I wouldn't call that doing well. Especially when 7 of the games was bottom 6. And you have the cheek to laugh, the most delusional poster here or on the wind up.

If he repeated that over 38 matches, we'd get 60+ points, and probably finish 3rd. That is doing quite well.

[21May16]

You did say he was only in charge for only two or three games !!!

Two of the defeats came against Celtic in the cup final and Aston Villa away though I suppose in your eyes they were bad results too …

As to being delusional I wasn’t the one that referred to Hibs as being “ MY CLUB “ . I don’t know how he’s going to fair out but I do think he should get more time which Motherwell gave there manager after a worse run their manager was on .
Sorry I didn’t add the Villa game, another loss.
Where’s this done well about exactly?
Given more time based on what? What exactly have you seen since being head coach to merit more time bar all your hard luck stories and ref conspiracy that you don’t have to sit through and pay to watch? I’m off to hopefully watch your big team get horsed to Leipzig anyway.

[NC1875]

If he repeated that over 38 matches, we'd get 60+ points, and probably finish 3rd. That is doing quite well.

He’s already shown that’ll never happen.

If he continues as we have the last 13 games we’ll be in the championship next season.

There is no reason to keep him whatsoever. If that was any other manager he would already be gone.

Hopefully the chat of big change comes to fruition. It cannot be any worse than this.

[MWHIBBIES]

He’s already shown that’ll never happen. If he continues as we have the last 13 games we’ll be in the championship next season. There is no reason to keep him whatsoever. If that was any other manager he would already be gone. Hopefully the chat of big change comes to fruition. It cannot be any worse than this.That's probably all true. But 6 wins, 3 losses, 4 draws is very good form for Hibs. So he did do well.

[GreenPJ]

My big fear is that that things are allowed to drift along.
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Based on recent history there is not a hope in hell that things are allowed to drift along.

[Squealing pig]

Let the black knights get their man in , sadly I think gray isn’t going to cut it , wrong place wrong time with these players

[B.H.F.C]

Based on recent history there is not a hope in hell that things are allowed to drift along.

I think things are different this time. I think part of the reason Gray is in there is to buy a bit of time. Anyone else would be getting chase by now.

If the rumours about changes above him are true then I think that might also have an impact on any decisions being made (or not being made).

[Donegal Hibby]

Sorry I didn’t add the Villa game, another loss.
Where’s this done well about exactly?
Given more time based on what? What exactly have you seen since being head coach to merit more time bar all your hard luck stories and ref conspiracy that you don’t have to sit through and pay to watch? I’m off to hopefully watch your big team get horsed to Leipzig anyway.

Based on the performances like against Dundee Utd , Killie , hertz and Sevco weren’t bad . It might not work out though I think he deserves more time which is what Motherwell gave Kettlewell …

And if you don’t think there was something far wrong with the decisions we had in the Dundee Utd game then that’s your prerogative though I don’t think many share your views there , I certainly don’t! ….

My big team ? And you call me delusional :faf:

[Unseen work]

Marti Cifuentes can’t be far away from the sack at QPR but meant to be a really good manager

https://x.com/hoopsdreams_qpr/status/1853920179501015365?s=46&t=jmxs-mZWT_cnYbURW-GKJw

Done brilliant second half of last season and then really poor start so far this season. Wonder what’s went wrong

Would BK want to follow the Spanish route again?

[Sioux]

Marti Cifuentes can’t be far away from the sack at QPR but meant to be a really good manager

https://x.com/hoopsdreams_qpr/status/1853920179501015365?s=46&t=jmxs-mZWT_cnYbURW-GKJw

Done brilliant second half of last season and then really poor start so far this season. Wonder what’s went wrong

Would BK want to follow the Spanish route again?

If he was a really good manager he would have more than one win out of 14!

[Paul1642]

Well I voted for give him another game or two. 35 minutes into the first of those game and I’m over to Gray out now.

[Hibernian Verse]

Unless they can find 3 goals he’s away.

Need a proper manager in that can get the best out this squad.

[CathroMustStay]

59% of people on this poll actually chose an option other than 'Go now'.

Incredible.

[KWJ]

Where's the MacKay out poll? I'd be able to answer that without hesitation.

[Paul1642]

59% of people on this poll actually chose an option other than 'Go now'.

Incredible.

I’m not going to redo the poll but I’d imagine that figure has changed a lot today. I’m certainly now ‘Go now’

[WestStandWillie]

He won’t survive the weekend. Shame but no style, no substance and badly needed an experienced body in there to help him.

[Hibernia&Alba]

We all want SDG to succeed, but the experiment isn’t working. One win in twelve leaves us on track for THREE league wins this season. There are no goals in the team and we are awful to watch. I think we need a battle hardened manager who can get the team organised and establish a regular pattern of play. I’m not sure what we are trying to do just now. We can’t go on like this much longer. Understandably, SDG is getting patience from the fans, but that won’t last much longer. We desperately need points. SDG could stay as a coach.