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Carheenlea
03-11-2024, 03:05 PM
Have the rules surrounding throw in’s changed or been relaxed in the last season or two?
Every week I see ones that look like they’re sailing close to a foul throw (with a high percentage of those coming from ourselves I must add)
Rarely see them given now and fans don’t really shout for them any more. Just wondering if I missed any changes to the rules?
Pretty Boy
03-11-2024, 03:06 PM
I said this last season. It seems a rule referees are largely choosing not to enforce now. I wonder if it's a directive to keep the game moving.
Players either being on the park or not having feet on the ground are the 2 infractions I notice most often.
Ribs1875
03-11-2024, 04:07 PM
The only foul throw is the throwing away games we do everyweek.
JohnM1875
03-11-2024, 10:18 PM
Ridiculous rule anyway. Should be ignored
wookie70
06-11-2024, 02:35 PM
Ridiculous rule anyway. Should be ignored
You would have players hurling it in one handed from their own half if the law never existed. Should, like other rules be applied but is routinely ignored. There is also another rule about taking the throw where the ball went out which seems to apply to Hibs only and the long forgotten but still in the laws six second rule for goalkeepers. The laws aren't the issues it is the appalling standard of refereeing that creates the problems.
JohnM1875
06-11-2024, 02:52 PM
You would have players hurling it in one handed from their own half if the law never existed. Should, like other rules be applied but is routinely ignored. There is also another rule about taking the throw where the ball went out which seems to apply to Hibs only and the long forgotten but still in the laws six second rule for goalkeepers. The laws aren't the issues it is the appalling standard of refereeing that creates the problems.
Sorry, I probably should've been a bit clearer. But as long as the thrower has two hands on the ball and it's taken from where the ball went out then I think form of throw etc should be ignored.
wookie70
06-11-2024, 03:28 PM
Sorry, I probably should've been a bit clearer. But as long as the thrower has two hands on the ball and it's taken from where the ball went out then I think form of throw etc should be ignored. I have always been more in favour of changing the Laws to reflect what should be happening rather than what is happening ignoring the laws. I actually quite enjoyed the old loophole where players did the somersault and fired the ball in after landing. That to me was within the law and also showed skill. Kind of like a Cruyff turn type of moment when a player brings something new to teh game that is within the laws.
I might even approve of a new law that allowed one hand throws so the ball actually got in teh box a wee bit more often and it could level the game up between richer and poorer sides. My view is that the laws should only be updated to make the game quicker and more enjoyable. I'd look at basketball and be happy with a rule that said teh ball can't be passed back into your own half once you have crossed the half way line and there is a limit in how long you are allowed the ball in your own half. That would speed up the game and most sports have got faster and better through rule changes. I'd argue the laws that football have brought in with that aim, like the six second rule, player subs exiting nearest part of the pitch have been ignored or worse still only applied to the "lesser" teams. Even Baseball have decent times allowed for a pitcher these days and similar could easily be applied to set plays in football.
Forza Fred
07-11-2024, 05:41 AM
‘Obstruction’ is rampant too and goes unpunished.
When I was a lad……I actually got sent off for it playing in an under 17 juvenile game against Hibernian Boys Club of all teams.
Got the postcard fining me 10/- suspending me ‘from all football activity’ for a week.
Only time I got sent off in my entire football career.
Wrote back to SFA HQ inPark Gardens pointing out that obstruction was a bookable offence but not a sending off, and that I hadn’t been booked before the offence took place.
Got a second postcard from the SFA telling me ‘drastic’ action would be taken against me if I didn’t pay the fine promptly.
Wimped out and sent off a ten Bob postal order.😂
Silky
07-11-2024, 05:57 AM
Have the rules surrounding throw in’s changed or been relaxed in the last season or two?
Every week I see ones that look like they’re sailing close to a foul throw (with a high percentage of those coming from ourselves I must add)
Rarely see them given now and fans don’t really shout for them any more. Just wondering if I missed any changes to the rules?
It's still very much alive and kicking in youth football
. My son plays U14 and it's constantly enforced, to the point where some refs tell the boys before kick off that they are keeping an eye on them!
Mon Dieu4
07-11-2024, 08:54 AM
Goalies kicking the ball out and the ball still being in their hands just over the 18 yard line is my bugbear, happens in every game and nothing gets done about it, once you see it you can't unsee it
Every time it happens my pals just turn and look at me as they know it gives me the rage
Chorley Hibee
07-11-2024, 09:12 AM
Goalies kicking the ball out and the ball still being in their hands just over the 18 yard line is my bugbear, happens in every game and nothing gets done about it, once you see it you can't unsee it
Every time it happens my pals just turn and look at me as they know it gives me the rage
This!
I drive folk insane pointing this out on a weekly basis.
I have no idea why it's being constantly ignored.
wookie70
07-11-2024, 09:28 AM
Goalies kicking the ball out and the ball still being in their hands just over the 18 yard line is my bugbear, happens in every game and nothing gets done about it, once you see it you can't unsee it
Every time it happens my pals just turn and look at me as they know it gives me the rage
I must keep an eye on that more closely. Most of the time I see the ball being in mid air having been released inside the box but kicked outside. That is perfectly legal as far as I am aware
EdinMike
07-11-2024, 12:45 PM
Am I wrong in thinking it is/was a rule that you can’t throw the ball in a downwards trajectory either. I’m having an almost Mandela Effect if that was something I was taught…
Cause I see that most weeks !
nonshinyfinish
07-11-2024, 01:08 PM
Am I wrong in thinking it is/was a rule that you can’t throw the ball in a downwards trajectory either. I’m having an almost Mandela Effect if that was something I was taught…
Cause I see that most weeks !
The actual rule is that you have to "throw the ball with both hands from behind and over the head", i.e. you have to release it before it's in front of your head.
A downward trajectory isn't inherently against the rules, but it's often a sign that the ball was released too late.
overdrive
07-11-2024, 01:15 PM
The actual rule is that you have to "throw the ball with both hands from behind and over the head", i.e. you have to release it before it's in front of your head.
A downward trajectory isn't inherently against the rules, but it's often a sign that the ball was released too late.
That's also something that I've noticed happening somewhat regularly this season - including by us
EdinMike
07-11-2024, 02:13 PM
The actual rule is that you have to "throw the ball with both hands from behind and over the head", i.e. you have to release it before it's in front of your head.
A downward trajectory isn't inherently against the rules, but it's often a sign that the ball was released too late.
That does clear it up a little, but yeh I do see it happening a lot. It’ll be the next thing that VAR should nitpick over !
Irish_Steve
07-11-2024, 02:55 PM
I pity the folk that sit in front of me because all i say is "that's a foul throw.
I think it was Miller who took one on Saturday and it was thrown in such a downward trajectory that it bounced before it reached our player.
Obita wears bright pink boots and it must be obvious to the lino how far his feet are on the pitch.
And the goalie with his hand on the ball over the 18yd line is another one ignored. If a goal can be ruled out because your nadgers are offside, why isn't this hand ball. Coincidentally, Martinez at Villa is one of the worst culprits for this and his team was punished when Mings handled the ball last night, not realising the all was actually in play lol
nonshinyfinish
07-11-2024, 03:25 PM
Obita wears bright pink boots and it must be obvious to the lino how far his feet are on the pitch.
I've never paid attention to this so I don't know how far on the pitch we're talking, but bear in mind that the current rule is not 'feet behind the line', it's 'have part of each foot on the touchline or on the ground outside the touchline'. Just the heel overlapping the line is enough.
HarpOnHibee
07-11-2024, 03:34 PM
Funny how they're happy to ignore less than properly taken throw ins and goalkeepers with ball still in hand outside the box, but a casual shirt pull from a corner where the ball in nowhere near the incident is deemed a penalty, despite other pulling and shoving going on.
Irish_Steve
07-11-2024, 04:56 PM
I've never paid attention to this so I don't know how far on the pitch we're talking, but bear in mind that the current rule is not 'feet behind the line', it's 'have part of each foot on the touchline or on the ground outside the touchline'. Just the heel overlapping the line is enough.
I like the part of the law that states "the thrower must face the field of play" lol
Carheenlea
07-11-2024, 07:32 PM
The actual rule is that you have to "throw the ball with both hands from behind and over the head", i.e. you have to release it before it's in front of your head.
A downward trajectory isn't inherently against the rules, but it's often a sign that the ball was released too late.
That's also something that I've noticed happening somewhat regularly this season - including by us
I pity the folk that sit in front of me because all i say is "that's a foul throw.
I think it was Miller who took one on Saturday and it was thrown in such a downward trajectory that it bounced before it reached our player.
This was the very one that promoted me to start the thread. See one pretty much ever game now and there was a time such a throw would see howls of protest from stands. I think we’re the worst offenders, or at least Miller is!
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