Elie Youan

[Ardenttwo]

Saw Elie across after the game in a discussion with what seemed to be the Block 7 and looked to be very animated. Anybody got a clue what this was about.

[BS44]

Saw Elie across after the game in a discussion with what seemed to be the Block 7 and looked to be very animated. Anybody got a clue what this was about.

Don't think it was B7 guys he was talking to, it was a older guy sitting near them. Something have happened in the first half, Youan wasn't happy with someone in the crowd and reacted to whatever had been said. Guess it was the same guy he was speaking to at end of game

[Springbank]

Youan - as a professional footballer - would do well to concentrate on being an effective footballer in football matches.

You look at Olusanya at St Mirren and he is a similar player but 1000 times more effective as a footballer than the 2024 version of Elie Youan

Right now, Youan doesn't look good enough for this level and he needs to massively improve his attitude.

Sorry, but that's the harsh reality Elie

[Crab apple]

Saw Elie across after the game in a discussion with what seemed to be the Block 7 and looked to be very animated. Anybody got a clue what this was about.

It wasn’t Block 7. It was some guy who had been very loud and vocal in his criticism of Elie (unfairly in my opinion) during the game. He may have been trying to apologise but it all looked a bit awkward.

[LancsHibs]

Don’t know anything about this incident with the supporter but thought Youan was our best performer last night, looked dangerous and a step above his teammates. By far the best footballer we have and sadly probably wasted in this team as it stands.

[Brooster]

It wasn't Block 7. It was an older guy who decided to shout abuse at Ellie from the first minute. Ellie gestured towards him. At the end, the guy waved Ellie across to apologise. They talked for half a minute or so before Ellie went back to join the rest of the players. I thought Ellie had a good 2nd half and along with Hoilett was probably our best players.

Imagine going all that way to scream abuse at a Hibs player in the first few minutes. Support the team even through the hard times.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Absolutely no issue with Youan ‘discussing’ things if what Brooster says is true.

A good player, something we don’t have many of, who’s being driven out our club by idiots.

[CapitalGreen]

Youan - as a professional footballer - would do well to concentrate on being an effective footballer in football matches.

You look at Olusanya at St Mirren and he is a similar player but 1000 times more effective as a footballer than the 2024 version of Elie Youan

Right now, Youan doesn't look good enough for this level and he needs to massively improve his attitude.

Sorry, but that's the harsh reality Elie

Youan played well last night. I saw no issues with his attitude, he certainly looked more up for it than a number of his colleagues. It sounds like it’s the Hibs “supporter” who needs an attitude change in this case.

[DH1875]

Youan - as a professional footballer - would do well to concentrate on being an effective footballer in football matches.

You look at Olusanya at St Mirren and he is a similar player but 1000 times more effective as a footballer than the 2024 version of Elie Youan

Right now, Youan doesn't look good enough for this level and he needs to massively improve his attitude.

Sorry, but that's the harsh reality Elie

He wasn't as bad as a lot of folk were making out after the hearts game and he was arguably our best player last night. IF he isn't good enough for this level, what does that say about the rest of them.

[Chorley Hibee]

He's our best player, by a long distance.

The fact that our inept coaching team can't use him properly shows their limitations more than Youan's.

[Smartie]

He’s had a decent last couple of games.

After cutting in off the left onto his right foot, some of his shots were pretty poor, and the options he had other than to shoot were non-existent.

He’s certainly not our biggest problem… but he’s part of a front line that just doesn’t look like scoring. He’s getting sharper though and of all our current personnel, he’s the one who is most likely to be part of the solution in some capacity.

I also think he deserves enormous credit for knuckling down and quietly getting on with his job as a “non-trier” narrative was starting to develop, when it would have been tempting to give the doubters exactly what they wanted.

[Trinity Hibee]

He’s had a decent last couple of games.

After cutting in off the left onto his right foot, some of his shots were pretty poor, and the options he had other than to shoot were non-existent.

He’s certainly not our biggest problem… but he’s part of a front line that just doesn’t look like scoring. He’s getting sharper though and of all our current personnel, he’s the one who is most likely to be part of the solution in some capacity.

He’s not been performing lately but only way he will is by getting games. He simply has to get a run in the team to give us a chance of winning games

[blackpoolhibs]

When on form he is our most dangerous player, who can win us games on his own.

We really need him, we need him to get fit and back playing as we dont have anyone else who can do the out of the ordinary stuff that scores goals.

We need to find a position and a formation that gets him on the park and playing well.

[Unseen work]

He hardly kicked a ball in pre season and the first 8 fixtures then chucked in to start two games in four days against county and hearts.

He's still getting his match fitness and sharpness

Good player

[LewysGot2]

He’s had a decent last couple of games.

After cutting in off the left onto his right foot, some of his shots were pretty poor, and the options he had other than to shoot were non-existent.

He’s certainly not our biggest problem… but he’s part of a front line that just doesn’t look like scoring. He’s getting sharper though and of all our current personnel, he’s the one who is most likely to be part of the solution in some capacity.

I also think he deserves enormous credit for knuckling down and quietly getting on with his job as a “non-trier” narrative was starting to develop, when it would have been tempting to give the doubters exactly what they wanted.

Hopefully start to see benefits very soon 🙏👍

[Unseen work]

Just posted 3 photos of him and Lee Johnson

Bit of an odd one

Tbf think he’s the only one that’s used him properly out the 3 managers he’s had

Doubt SDG will be delighted with it

[mcohibs]

Latest cryptic message from Youan is a collage of pictures of him and Lee Johnson posted on his instagram this evening.

Could we be in for a shock LJ return?

[JohnM1875]

Latest cryptic message from Youan is a collage of pictures of him and Lee Johnson posted on his instagram this evening.

Could we be in for a shock LJ return?

Nowt cryptic surely? LJ played and seemed to get the best out of Elie. Gray doesn't seem too keen on him for whatever bizarre reason.

Please for the love of God don't now quote my post about him being 'lazy' etc etc.

[Exuberance1875]

Just posted 3 photos of him and Lee Johnson

Bit of an odd one

Tbf think he’s the only one that’s used him properly out the 3 managers he’s had

Doubt SDG will be delighted with it

This is actually true, I didn’t like LJ and I really want David Gray to do well. But if he wants to do well he needs to play Youan consistently and back him. He’s our most dangerous player

[LaMotta]

Just posted 3 photos of him and Lee Johnson

Bit of an odd one

Tbf think he’s the only one that’s used him properly out the 3 managers he’s had

Doubt SDG will be delighted with it


Latest cryptic message from Youan is a collage of pictures of him and Lee Johnson posted on his instagram this evening.

Could we be in for a shock LJ return?

A clear dig at Gray.

[Stuart93]

Getting quite tiresome tbh and not what we need just now.

We want players committed to the club and manager, if not they can **** off.

If he put as much effort into his football as he does into his social media he might just be playing every week.

[JohnM1875]

Getting quite tiresome tbh and not what we need just now.

We want players committed to the club and manager, if not they can **** off.

If he put as much effort into his football as he does into his social media he might just be playing every week.

He's actually been pretty tame on the social media front lately.

Listen, I get it, but I also get why he'd be pissed off sitting on the side-lines and seeing Boyle start every week when he's been brutal for the best part of a year.

Folk going on about not being committed or wanting to play for the team, why do you think he posts stuff like that? He could happily sit on the bench, pick up a pretty wage then **** off when his contract is up. He wants to play.

[500miles]

He's actually been pretty tame on the social media front lately.

Listen, I get it, but I also get why he'd be pissed off sitting on the side-lines and seeing Boyle start every week when he's been brutal for the best part of a year.

Folk going on about not being committed or wanting to play for the team, why do you think he posts stuff like that? He could happily sit on the bench, pick up a pretty wage then **** off when his contract is up. He wants to play.

He wants to play for the team now, he didn't when he was telling people he'd only be pulling on a Hibs shirt in their dreams.

Hoillet has visibly either taken it upon himself to take Elie under his wing or been asked to. The fact someone needs to do that for a man in his mid 20s tells you something.

[JohnM1875]

He wants to play for the team now, he didn't when he was telling people he'd only be pulling on a Hibs shirt in their dreams.

Hoillet has visibly either taken it upon himself to take Elie under his wing or been asked to. The fact someone needs to do that for a man in his mid 20s tells you something.

That maybe tells you something as well eh?

Think I'm more embarrassed about some 'fans' treatment of a player than anything else.

[500miles]

That maybe tells you something as well eh?

Think I'm more embarrassed about some 'fans' treatment of a player than anything else.

I don't disagree. However, if he's giving the manager the impression he doesn't want to be here, whatever the reason, then he can't be that surprised when he doesn't get picked.

Fwiw, I think he might have found himself on the bench because Gray prefers Hoilett on the left, with Youan giving us the option to change from the bench.

Regardless, it's a strange way for him to behave when he's odds on to play through the middle on Saturday

[Northernhibee]

Getting quite tiresome tbh and not what we need just now.

We want players committed to the club and manager, if not they can **** off.

If he put as much effort into his football as he does into his social media he might just be playing every week.

Yep. A manchild.

[GreenCastle]

Get him in the team - he adds creativity and something different to our attacks.

We don’t score many goals and need more speed in our attacks.

[Winston Ingram]

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[1875Sean]

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More weird behaviour from Youan

[.Sean.]

He’s absolutely pathetic and his social media has been embarrassing for a while, he’s like a mixture of a psycho ex and a heartbroken, petulant teenager

He could not care less about Hibs and it’s been clear since day one, get him so far to ****

[B.H.F.C]

With Bowie injured, Myko suspended and Gayle struggling we really need him to step up this weekend. Then, for all his apparent talent,, you remember he’s no scored a goal since February. Stuff like this is just stupid and him clearly trying to make some kind of point. Little wonder we’re in such a mess when that is what you’re getting from one of your so called best players.

[Mainstandman]

Along with many other players Hibs have managed Elie very badly. Players are people with all the issues that brings and the club treats players pretty poorly as people, i don't mean wages and conditions here, i mean as a person. Angelotti is well renounced as someone who manages the person first for instance.

Manage the person first then if that goes wrong sell, Hibs have done neither here. For example: Never should had played the game he got injured in if he was to be sold.

We have a raft of players who are in then benched then dropped then called back yet we expect them to be good on the pitch.

[SHODAN]

Nah, I'm still not in the "**** Youan" camp.

The guy has taken horrendous abuse from Hibs fans for a few Instagram pictures. This obsession with policing every facet of his behaviour is really weird tbh.

[Centre Hawf]

Nah, I'm still not in the "**** Youan" camp.

The guy has taken horrendous abuse from Hibs fans for a few Instagram pictures. This obsession with policing every facet of his behaviour is really weird tbh.

I agree. I'm not surprised he misses Johnson. He's the only one thats probably allowed him to go be himself and thus the only one to actually get him to perform.

The sooner people accept he's a maverick the sooner we can get back to him scoring goals and entertaining.

[Smartie]

I agree. I'm not surprised he misses Johnson. He's the only one thats probably allowed him to go be himself and thus the only one to actually get him to perform.

The sooner people accept he's a maverick the sooner we can get back to him scoring goals and entertaining.

Youan’s had a decent few weeks where he looked like he was getting his head down.

This new social media stuff is a bit out of the blue.

I’d have been starting him at the weekend, no doubt, but I wasn’t against the idea of him coming off the bench on Sunday, only seeing as it was his 3rd game in 8 days after a lengthy lay off.

Whilst this latest stuff is more cryptic than the usual attention seeking rubbish, it does feel a bit attention seeking just as he seemed to be turning a corner with many of us.

The next 2 months are massive for his future career, he’d be well advised to be sensible for a bit, as he had been doing.

[Unseen work]

With Bowie injured, Myko suspended and Gayle struggling we really need him to step up this weekend. Then, for all his apparent talent,, you remember he’s no scored a goal since February. Stuff like this is just stupid and him clearly trying to make some kind of point. Little wonder we’re in such a mess when that is what you’re getting from one of your so called best players.

Only atarting 2 games this season doesn’t help him make the impact people want to see

Then the other night coming on in the 90th minute when it was 1-1. Actually thought he done well in such a short space of time, more than Boyle done in 90

[Smartie]

Only atarting 2 games this season doesn’t help him make the impact people want to see

Then the other night coming on in the 90th minute when it was 1-1. Actually thought he done well in such a short space of time, more than Boyle done in 90

He did do well after he came on.

Should be one of the first names on the team sheet for Saturday imo, especially considering Myko is out.

It'll be really interesting to see what Gray does in the forward positions.

[Centre Hawf]

Youan’s had a decent few weeks where he looked like he was getting his head down.

This new social media stuff is a bit out of the blue.

I’d have been starting him at the weekend, no doubt, but I wasn’t against the idea of him coming off the bench on Sunday, only seeing as it was his 3rd game in 8 days after a lengthy lay off.

Whilst this latest stuff is more cryptic than the usual attention seeking rubbish, it does feel a bit attention seeking just as he seemed to be turning a corner with many of us.

The next 2 months are massive for his future career, he’d be well advised to be sensible for a bit, as he had been doing.

Let's be honest though, he's being used as a spare part at times under Gray. Even Montgomery went through a similar spell before realising there's no one else in the squad capable of unlocking a defence for him.

He starts the Derby and Ross County before only seeing about 9 minutes on Sunday after we were down to 10 men and 1-1. Meanwhile guys like Martin Boyle has contributed heehaw and even Chris Cadden got a spell out wide.

For me he should be one of the first on the team sheet, make him feel loved, tell him he's better than Pele for all I care. The guy clearly has an ego, but him feeling cocky and full of himself clearly gets the best out of him as opposed to the world berating him, it absolutely amazes me how people don't see that and continue to try and break him down to take that out of him.

[Smartie]

Let's be honest though, he's being used as a spare part at times under Gray. Even Montgomery went through a similar spell before realising there's no one else in the squad capable of unlocking a defence for him.

He starts the Derby and Ross County before only seeing about 9 minutes on Sunday after we were down to 10 men and 1-1. Meanwhile guys like Martin Boyle has contributed heehaw and even Chris Cadden got a spell out wide.

For me he should be one of the first on the team sheet, make him feel loved, tell him he's better than Pele for all I care. The guy clearly has an ego, but him feeling cocky and full of himself clearly gets the best out of him as opposed to the world berating him, it absolutely amazes me how people don't see that and continue to try and break him down to take that out of him.

I think his injury took a bit out of him though - the Youan who appeared against St Johnstone and Rangers wasn't anywhere near the Youan he can be.

Some went straight to the "non-trier" accusation but he simply looked miles short of fitness and sharpness to me and I think Gray was justified in not selecting him for a bit. He was also copping a fair bit of abuse, which was probably entirely unjustified.

Rather than anything malign being at play, I think it's just taken him a bit of time to properly get over that injury - and then the game at the weekend, our third in 8 days, would have been a big ask for him.

He did well when he came on and I don't think anyone can make any sort of credible argument to leave him out for the St Mirren game, unless there's been some silliness behind the scenes that led to the LJ posts on instagram.

He definitely brings criticism and speculation upon himself at times with that stuff.

[Centre Hawf]

I think his injury took a bit out of him though - the Youan who appeared against St Johnstone and Rangers wasn't anywhere near the Youan he can be.

Some went straight to the "non-trier" accusation but he simply looked miles short of fitness and sharpness to me and I think Gray was justified in not selecting him for a bit. He was also copping a fair bit of abuse, which was probably entirely unjustified.

Rather than anything malign being at play, I think it's just taken him a bit of time to properly get over that injury - and then the game at the weekend, our third in 8 days, would have been a big ask for him.

He did well when he came on and I don't think anyone can make any sort of credible argument to leave him out for the St Mirren game, unless there's been some silliness behind the scenes that led to the LJ posts on instagram.

He definitely brings criticism and speculation upon himself at times with that stuff.

I agree with the Rangers/St Johnstone period. I think it was both too soon and if I'm honest I can imagine he probably thought he was away and maybe a mix of things meant his head wasn't right.

Hopefully we see him 'unleashed' this weekend, although my one complaint against Elie here is that I could imagine Dave Gray not taking kindly to daft posts.

[Pretty Boy]

It's a bit of a daft thing for him to do. He knows there are people out there who latch on to everything he does on social media and I'm not convinced he wouldn't be aware what kind of reaction that picture would provoke. It's a bit attention seeking 'this place is full of snakes, looking after me from now on' in style imo.

Shame because he has played pretty well against Hearts and Ross County and people should be talking about the benefits a fit and focused Youan brings to the team rather than his social media presence.

[Since452]

LJ got the best out of him. Other players too.

[Stuart93]

LJ got the best out of him. Other players too.

Probably because he’s been the best manager we’ve had since JR, and that’s saying something because he wasn’t very good.

[Col2]

Probably because he’s been the best manager we’ve had since JR, and that’s saying something because he wasn’t very good.

Brutally true. Jeez. What a life being a Hibs fan and Scotland supporter. Any worse combination? Even Sunderland are looking good.

[Cabbage-Patch]

There is no doubt for me Youan is probably the most naturally talented player at the club but unfortunately his attitude, maturity and commitment massively let him down. He has had to suffer racial abuse which no player should have to put up with but the issues with his commitment and attitude were present long before that. I am sick of his petty little cryptic social media posts which I'm taking as a back handed dig at the club and manager. Needs to leave in January however we will likely get nowhere near the 2.5 million offered earlier this year.

If the lad had a brain in his head he would delete his social media, keep his head down and focus on working his way back into the team and earning himself a decent move away which at this point would benefit all parties.

[Hibs Go Bragh]

He did do well after he came on.

Should be one of the first names on the team sheet for Saturday imo, especially considering Myko is out.

It'll be really interesting to see what Gray does in the forward positions.

Agree Elie has to start as striker on Saturday but I wouldn't be surprised if Gray plays Josh Campbell up front!

[hibsbollah]

He’s absolutely pathetic and his social media has been embarrassing for a while, he’s like a mixture of a psycho ex and a heartbroken, petulant teenager

He could not care less about Hibs and it’s been clear since day one, get him so far to ****

If hes petulant, maybe thats a sign that he DOES care? Honestly, i cant see the problem in what hes tweeted, unless you just plain dont like him and want to get outraged.

Youan needs to be playing, simple as that.

[Smartie]

If hes petulant, maybe thats a sign that he DOES care? Honestly, i cant see the problem in what hes tweeted, unless you just plain dont like him and want to get outraged.

Youan needs to be playing, simple as that.

Do you not think it's just a bit unnecessary right now though?

He's been doing everything right lately. Does he really need to put cryptic stuff out there that has folk gossiping about what may be behind it, social media being exactly what we know it to be?

If I'm a manager trying to keep a dressing room together throughout a ropey run of results is that really what I want to be seeing or hearing about?

[Winston Ingram]

LJ's tactics and team selection and tactics were decent. The reason he was let go was because he was a spanner. He sealed his fate during our match against St Mirren, after we’d clawed back to 2-2, he started cupping his ears toward the fans. While he was caught up in that, St Mirren scored again, taking it to 3-2.

[JimBHibees]

If hes petulant, maybe thats a sign that he DOES care? Honestly, i cant see the problem in what hes tweeted, unless you just plain dont like him and want to get outraged.

Youan needs to be playing, simple as that.

Agree genuinely couldn’t care less what people do on social media

[Northernhibee]

LJ's tactics and team selection and tactics were decent. The reason he was let go was because he was a spanner. He sealed his fate during our match against St Mirren, after we’d clawed back to 2-2, he started cupping his ears toward the fans. While he was caught up in that, St Mirren scored again, taking it to 3-2.

LJ had the ability to make the team tick, I’m just not sure he understood why. He’d scrabble about on one of his losing streams searching for something that worked, eventually hit on something, and run with it until it had been sussed out. Then the process started all over again.

[JimBHibees]

LJ's tactics and team selection and tactics were decent. The reason he was let go was because he was a spanner. He sealed his fate during our match against St Mirren, after we’d clawed back to 2-2, he started cupping his ears toward the fans. While he was caught up in that, St Mirren scored again, taking it to 3-2.

😄 didn’t realise he had done that

[Smartie]

LJ's tactics and team selection and tactics were decent. The reason he was let go was because he was a spanner. He sealed his fate during our match against St Mirren, after we’d clawed back to 2-2, he started cupping his ears toward the fans. While he was caught up in that, St Mirren scored again, taking it to 3-2.

He just didn't know when to stop talking and it turned folk against him.

I quite liked him and didn't think he deserved to be sacked, certainly not when he was. But he was antagonising our fan base with his chat and it was hard to see it ever ending well.

The second half of his full season I was actually quite enjoying the football. Unlike a lot of our recent managers it felt like he got everything he possibly could out of a limited squad, often due to calls he made, like sticking to a very small core of players and not rotating a squad and using players who appeared to not be up to the task. When he was finally forced to use those players in the final game at Tynecastle it became blindingly obvious why he hadn't wanted to use them any more than he absolutely had to prior to that.

[Winston Ingram]

LJ had the ability to make the team tick, I’m just not sure he understood why. He’d scrabble about on one of his losing streams searching for something that worked, eventually hit on something, and run with it until it had been sussed out. Then the process started all over again.

I don't think it was sussed out. We were great from the start of 2023. Climbed from the bottom half. If Nisbet had scored that pen at Pittodrie, we'd have been playing for 3rd place on the final day.

What interrupted it was the end of the season and a big transition in players. Our Euro games started and like it does with most Scottish Teams outside the uglies, we struggled to manage the 2. We got through 2 Euro ties and beat Raith in the league cup, but because we lost 3 league games on the spin he was toast.

That was a much harsher sacking than Jack Ross. Ross lost 7 in 9 before he was punted.

Then you look at wtf we let Monty away with and now SDG.

[CapitalGreen]

He just didn't know when to stop talking and it turned folk against him.

I quite liked him and didn't think he deserved to be sacked, certainly not when he was. But he was antagonising our fan base with his chat and it was hard to see it ever ending well.

The second half of his full season I was actually quite enjoying the football. Unlike a lot of our recent managers it felt like he got everything he possibly could out of a limited squad, often due to calls he made, like sticking to a very small core of players and not rotating a squad and using players who appeared to not be up to the task. When he was finally forced to use those players in the final game at Tynecastle it became blindingly obvious why he hadn't wanted to use them any more than he absolutely had to prior to that.

LJ got lucky with Rocky getting injured which forced him to bring in Fish which along with Nisbet’s return helped turn our season around. Defensively we were an absolute shambles up to that point, as bad as any period in my lifetime. We went on a run of 11 games where we only accumulated 6 points while conceding 26 goals, often playing worse than we’ve have been this season.

[Winston Ingram]

He just didn't know when to stop talking and it turned folk against him.

I quite liked him and didn't think he deserved to be sacked, certainly not when he was. But he was antagonising our fan base with his chat and it was hard to see it ever ending well.

The second half of his full season I was actually quite enjoying the football. Unlike a lot of our recent managers it felt like he got everything he possibly could out of a limited squad, often due to calls he made, like sticking to a very small core of players and not rotating a squad and using players who appeared to not be up to the task. When he was finally forced to use those players in the final game at Tynecastle it became blindingly obvious why he hadn't wanted to use them any more than he absolutely had to prior to that.

Totally agree. He was punted cos he came across as a total phanny

[HibbyAndy]

LJ's tactics and team selection and tactics were decent. The reason he was let go was because he was a spanner. He sealed his fate during our match against St Mirren, after we’d clawed back to 2-2, he started cupping his ears toward the fans. While he was caught up in that, St Mirren scored again, taking it to 3-2.

Livingston , It was Livingston , But yes he was a Spanner

[Winston Ingram]

LJ got lucky with Rocky getting injured which forced him to bring in Fish which along with Nisbet’s return helped turn our season around. Defensively we were an absolute shambles up to that point, as bad as any period in my lifetime. We went on a run of 11 games where we only accumulated 6 points while conceding 26 goals, often playing worse than we’ve have been this season.

We were a mess but it wasn't an injury to Rocky that forced that. Porto was an absolute bombscare in his last 6 months and he moved him into midfield and brought Fish in and he was ever present after that.

[Winston Ingram]

Livingston , It was Livingston , But yes he was a Spanner

So it was. I stand corrected.

[Hibees1973]

Childish behaviour from Youan.

At a time when Gray needs unity the squad, here's Youan pha**ying about on his phone.

What a tool.

[21May16]

If hes petulant, maybe thats a sign that he DOES care? Honestly, i cant see the problem in what hes tweeted, unless you just plain dont like him and want to get outraged.

Youan needs to be playing, simple as that.

I think you would back him no matter what. It’s not worth getting outraged about but it’s highly unprofessional unless you are extremely nieve to see.

[CapitalGreen]

We were a mess but it wasn't an injury to Rocky that forced that. Porto was an absolute bombscare in his last 6 months and he moved him into midfield and brought Fish in and he was ever present after that.

6 months is a stretch, only Celtic had a better defensive record than us over the opening 10 league matches of that season when Hanlon and Porto played in a back 4. LJ then brought Rocky back into the team, switching to a back 3, during an away game at Celtic at the start of that horrendous run.

Fish came in against Dun Utd as Hanlon was unavailable and was hooked after an hour and subsequently dropped for the derby the week after - had Rocky not got injured in that match it’s likely he’d have continued to partner Hanlon.

That run of games under LJ was worse than any similar length period under Ross, Maloney, Monty or Gray

[Smartie]

6 months is a stretch, only Celtic had a better defensive record than us over the opening 10 league matches of that season when Hanlon and Porto played in a back 4. LJ then brought Rocky back into the team, switching to a back 3, during an away game at Celtic at the start of that horrendous run.

Fish came in against Dun Utd as Hanlon was unavailable and was hooked after an hour and subsequently dropped for the derby the week after - had Rocky not got injured in that match it’s likely he’d have continued to partner Hanlon.

That run of games under LJ was worse than any similar length period under Ross, Maloney, Monty or Gray

It was pretty awful around that time, no doubt about it.

Do you not think that the fact he managed to turn it around, have the good second half to the season and salvage a respectable finish to the season would suggest that instead of firing a head coach during their first bad run (which is now our "go to" response) they should be allowed a bit of time to find their way out of the bad run, especially if a transfer window is available to address obvious deficiencies in the squad?

[Liam89]

It was pretty awful around that time, no doubt about it.

Do you not think that the fact he managed to turn it around, have the good second half to the season and salvage a respectable finish to the season would suggest that instead of firing a head coach during their first bad run (which is now our "go to" response) they should be allowed a bit of time to find their way out of the bad run, especially if a transfer window is available to address obvious deficiencies in the squad?

That doesn't work around here. Any sign of a bad run and hibs fans' disposition is to immediately assume we've got the wrong man and need a change.

Just don't know why we can't let a manager have a bad run and try and work it out without him being under intense pressure. Must be hard when you and the team feel like one or two more bad results and it's another change of boss.

[Winston Ingram]

6 months is a stretch, only Celtic had a better defensive record than us over the opening 10 league matches of that season when Hanlon and Porto played in a back 4. LJ then brought Rocky back into the team, switching to a back 3, during an away game at Celtic at the start of that horrendous run.

Fish came in against Dun Utd as Hanlon was unavailable and was hooked after an hour and subsequently dropped for the derby the week after - had Rocky not got injured in that match it’s likely he’d have continued to partner Hanlon.

That run of games under LJ was worse than any similar length period under Ross, Maloney, Monty or Gray

Fish came in v Hearts and played right back and hooked at ht. Was left out again v Motherwell then started every league game after that. No sure Rocky would’ve started as he wasn’t playing well at all

[hibsbollah]

Do you not think it's just a bit unnecessary right now though?

He's been doing everything right lately. Does he really need to put cryptic stuff out there that has folk gossiping about what may be behind it, social media being exactly what we know it to be?

If I'm a manager trying to keep a dressing room together throughout a ropey run of results is that really what I want to be seeing or hearing about?

It’s not apparent to me he’s lost the dressing room, theres no evidence of that…then again, how would I know? If he has lost the dressing room its a lot more likely thats down to his inability to make any sort of substitution that does anything but make us worse, rather than anything Youans doing on social media.

[Winston Ingram]

It was pretty awful around that time, no doubt about it.

Do you not think that the fact he managed to turn it around, have the good second half to the season and salvage a respectable finish to the season would suggest that instead of firing a head coach during their first bad run (which is now our "go to" response) they should be allowed a bit of time to find their way out of the bad run, especially if a transfer window is available to address obvious deficiencies in the squad?

The difference here is that Johnson had track record of about 500 games to evidence the fact that he knew what he was doing and could do the job.

Gray doesn’t. He’s a rookie, with a rookie back room staff and the team is performing terribly, not showing any signs of improvement, and he’s showing nothing to suggest he’s got a clue what he’s doing.

Johnson at the same stage had amassed more than double the points Gray has and the risk of sticking with LJ was nowhere near as drastic as it is now.

[CapitalGreen]

Fish came in v Hearts and played right back and hooked at ht. Was left out again v Motherwell then started every league game after that. No sure Rocky would’ve started as he wasn’t playing well at all

Rocky wasn’t playing well for months before he got injured, he was part of a defence shipping nearly 3 goals a game. If LJ was going to drop him based on form he would have done it well before then.

The reality it took 4 months for LJ to give Fish a start and only then when his hand was forced
- No available right backs v Hearts at Tynie
- Hanlon unavailable v Dun Utd
- Rocky unavailable v Aberdeen onwards

Rocky was back in playing 90 minutes of every league game at the start of the next season and the defensive clown show resumed which ultimately cost LJ his job.

[dp00]

You’d think as the leaders newall and Boyle are pulling him up at training


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[Bostonhibby]

If hes petulant, maybe thats a sign that he DOES care? Honestly, i cant see the problem in what hes tweeted, unless you just plain dont like him and want to get outraged.

Youan needs to be playing, simple as that.I was more or less brought up on us having gifted maverick footballers, when the rest of the squad weren't as good it still worked.

Youan entertains and frustrates in equal measure but right now the erse is hanging out our troosers and he is as likely to deliver as a front man as those that haven't recently. Give him the opportunity to erse it up, or not.

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[Winston Ingram]

Rocky wasn’t playing well for months before he got injured, he was part of a defence shipping nearly 3 goals a game. If LJ was going to drop him based on form he would have done it well before then.

The reality it took 4 months for LJ to give Fish a start and only then when his hand was forced
- No available right backs v Hearts at Tynie
- Hanlon unavailable v Dun Utd
- Rocky unavailable v Aberdeen onwards

Rocky was back in playing 90 minutes of every league game at the start of the next season and the defensive clown show resumed which ultimately cost LJ his job.

I know it took 4 months to give him a start but at the end of the day, when he did get his start, he was first choice for the rest of the season and rightly so and a hell of a lot better than Rocky was when he played.

As for the defensive clown show resuming, there was 3 league games and the only one you could possibly point the finger at him for was the 2nd goal at Motherwell.

[Smartie]

It’s not apparent to me he’s lost the dressing room, theres no evidence of that…then again, how would I know? If he has lost the dressing room its a lot more likely thats down to his inability to make any sort of substitution that does anything but make us worse, rather than anything Youans doing on social media.

Sorry, I wasn’t suggesting that there was any evidence or suggestion he’d lost the dressing room.

I was more just pointing out that with the team on a poor run, you’d expect morale to possibly be a bit low.

I don’t know what’s behind Youan’s posts, there may be nothing. But social media being social media, folk will speculate.

It just feels unnecessary to me.

There are folk whose opinion Youan should care about and many others whose opinion he should absolutely not care about. One person whose opinion he should absolutely be caring about is David Gray’s and I just hope hasn’t caused any harm to that relationship with this.

[hibsbollah]

I think you would back him no matter what. It’s not worth getting outraged about but it’s highly unprofessional unless you are extremely nieve to see.

Thats untrue. If he parked in a disabled space, shouted racist abuse at Kwon or soiled himself and was found with his keks round his ankles after a session at the Central Bar, say, I would absolutely call him out on it.

[Wilson]

Thats untrue. If he parked in a disabled space, shouted racist abuse at Kwon or soiled himself and was found with his keks round his ankles after a session at the Central Bar, say, I would absolutely call him out on it.

Quite. Parking in a disabled space is unacceptable.

[JimBHibees]

You’d think as the leaders newall and Boyle are pulling him up at training


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Might be part of the problem

[JimBHibees]

The difference here is that Johnson had track record of about 500 games to evidence the fact that he knew what he was doing and could do the job.

Gray doesn’t. He’s a rookie, with a rookie back room staff and the team is performing terribly, not showing any signs of improvement, and he’s showing nothing to suggest he’s got a clue what he’s doing.

Johnson at the same stage had amassed more than double the points Gray has and the risk of sticking with LJ was nowhere near as drastic as it is now.

Sunday was clearly an improved performance

[Winston Ingram]

Sunday was clearly an improved performance

Was it? We were awful 2nd half

[CapitalGreen]

Was it? We were awful 2nd half

We played worse against Ross County, therefore by definition it was an improved performance.

[JimBHibees]

Was it? We were awful 2nd half

Didn’t think anywhere near awful. Thought comfortably controlling the game

[Brizo]

There is no doubt for me Youan is probably the most naturally talented player at the club but unfortunately his attitude, maturity and commitment massively let him down. He has had to suffer racial abuse which no player should have to put up with but the issues with his commitment and attitude were present long before that. I am sick of his petty little cryptic social media posts which I'm taking as a back handed dig at the club and manager. Needs to leave in January however we will likely get nowhere near the 2.5 million offered earlier this year.

If the lad had a brain in his head he would delete his social media, keep his head down and focus on working his way back into the team and earning himself a decent move away which at this point would benefit all parties.


100% where I am as well with this situation.

[MWHIBBIES]

You’d think as the leaders newall and Boyle are pulling him up at training


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It really isn't their job to manage their team mates.

[superfurryhibby]

Was it? We were awful 2nd half

Agreed, second half, we were dire.

[GreenPJ]

It really isn't their job to manage their team mates.

So what is a captain's job during the week?

[superfurryhibby]

So what is a captain's job during the week?

To train like a professional footballer, certainly not to manage team mates and their social media.

[Greenio]

Sick of his off field behaviour too.

Heard Ange talking recently about how it only takes one player to cause big problems in a dressing room

Posting pics of LJ is a massive FU to the club, the manager and his team mates .

Sure hes a nice guy really and the racist abuse he got is obviously vile, but hes causing his club more harm than good atm

Yes hes our most electric player... Still needs got rid of imo

[GreenPJ]

To train like a professional footballer, certainly not to manage team mates and their social media.

Every professional footballer's responsibility is to train like a professional footballer - the captain has additional responsibility to encourage/criticise team mates for their attitude and application, to help disseminate messaging from management as well as be the voice of the players to the management.

[Fergos]

When Elle was coming back from injury SDG was full of praise for him mentioning how hard he was working in training to get back to full fitness. For me this lacks class from Elle, his focus should be going about his business in a professional manner and doing what he is paid to do.

GGTTH

[Fergos]

100% where I am as well with this situation.

Well said.

[MWHIBBIES]

Every professional footballer's responsibility is to train like a professional footballer - the captain has additional responsibility to encourage/criticise team mates for their attitude and application, to help disseminate messaging from management as well as be the voice of the players to the management.

Which id imagine Joe does well, hence why 2 managers have had his as captain now.

His job is not to manage the Ellie Youan situation.

[Centre Hawf]

Which id imagine Joe does well, hence why 2 managers have had his as captain now.

His job is not to manage the Ellie Youan situation.

There's always an assumption the club or it's players have done the worst thing or neglected to do anything, it's just as easy to believe that Joe Newell hasn't bothered to speak to him as it is that he's tried and gotten nowhere. But you can only have a dig Joe Newell for one of those outcomes so it's easier to go that route.

[Springbank]

Agree with the comments above that Youan's actions maybe reveal a lack of Class on his part.

You need a captain who gives the message to Elie:

When we do things like that
Be careful, because
Sometimes it tells everyone more about you
Than anyone else

[Liam89]

Agree with the comments above that Youan's actions maybe reveal a lack of Class on his part.

You need a captain who gives the message to Elie:

When we do things like that
Be careful, because
Sometimes it tells everyone more about you
Than anyone else

Can William Wordsworth play centre mid?

[superfurryhibby]

Every professional footballer's responsibility is to train like a professional footballer - the captain has additional responsibility to encourage/criticise team mates for their attitude and application, to help disseminate messaging from management as well as be the voice of the players to the management.



Most players would tell you to **** off if a team mate criticised their attitude and application. I can accept the disseminate messages and the voice of the players more readily.

[SickBoy32]

The guys a petulant wee tool.

Highly disrespectful to the manager, the club and the fanbase.

His career peaked with a double at Tynie, he’ll realise that one day.

[MWHIBBIES]

The guys a petulant wee tool.

Highly disrespectful to the manager, the club and the fanbase.

His career peaked with a double at Tynie, he’ll realise that one day.

Don't see any irony in saying he's been disrespectful to the fan base, while calling him a tool?

[LaMotta]

There's always an assumption the club or it's players have done the worst thing or neglected to do anything, it's just as easy to believe that Joe Newell hasn't bothered to speak to him as it is that he's tried and gotten nowhere. But you can only have a dig Joe Newell for one of those outcomes so it's easier to go that route.

TBF nobody has actually had a dig at Newell. Someone said they imagine Newell and Boyle might have pulled him up about it - it was then a discussion about whether a captain should or shouldn't be getting involved in such situations.

[B.H.F.C]

TBF nobody has actually had a dig at Newell. Someone said they imagine Newell and Boyle might have pulled him up about it - it was then a discussion about whether a captain should or shouldn't be getting involved in such situations.

Good teams would have players pulling others up where they’re not meeting standards, be it on or off the pitch. Problem we have is that nobody can really pull anyone else up for anything, standards are non-existent right through the club.

In the case of Youan, posting the pictures he did is just daft and unhelpful. He’ll no doubt have had quite a few negative comments on the back of it which should hardly be a surprise as, IMO, it can only have been done to provoke some kind of reaction or make some kind of point.

[LaMotta]

Good teams would have players pulling others up where they’re not meeting standards, be it on or off the pitch. Problem we have is that nobody can really pull anyone else up for anything, standards are non-existent right through the club.

In the case of Youan, posting the pictures he did is just daft and unhelpful. He’ll no doubt have had quite a few negative comments on the back of it which should hardly be a surprise as, IMO, it can only have been done to provoke some kind of reaction or make some kind of point.

Completely agree :agree:

[lyonhibs]

Agree with the comments above that Youan's actions maybe reveal a lack of Class on his part.

You need a captain who gives the message to Elie:

When we do things like that
Be careful, because
Sometimes it tells everyone more about you
Than anyone else

Youan certainly does seem to wander as lonely as a cloud at times on the pitch.....

[Forza Fred]

Agree with the comments above that Youan's actions maybe reveal a lack of Class on his part.

You need a captain who gives the message to Elie:

When we do things like that
Be careful, because
Sometimes it tells everyone more about you
Than anyone else

Elie’s action reeks of childishness and Unprofessionalism.

If I was a member of an amateur club, never mind a professional club, I wouldn’t be so petulant and plain daft to post some kind of cryptic message like that, which is obviously going too cause trouble.

It certainly does say more about Elie than it does about anything else.

[tonyrougier123]

Troublemaker pure and simple, the only person that it hurts longterm is Ellie Youan himself. Football is a short career, been cryptic enough to keep the fans double guessing but I think the game is up and the support sees through his antics.

A player with ability, unfortunately won’t fully be enjoyed because the man is a petulant attention seeker. When you have players like this it rubs off on the rest of the team.

I’d be looking to offload in January or stick him in the unders.

[mcohibs]

Get rid. Now is the time for leaders, for players to stand up and be counted, dig this club out of the ****ing trenches. Not players acting like a lassie on Instagram who’s been dumped.

[CapitalGreen]

Get rid. Now is the time for leaders, for players to stand up and be counted, dig this club out of the ****ing trenches. Not players acting like a lassie on Instagram who’s been dumped.

Now is the time for good players, picking players based on attitude over ability saw us starting the likes of Cadden and Campbell earlier in the season.

[tonyrougier123]

Now is the time for good players, picking players based on attitude over ability saw us starting the likes of Cadden and Campbell earlier in the season.

Ellie Youan isn’t performing anyway so your argument is nonsense.

[CapitalGreen]

Ellie Youan isn’t performing anyway so your argument is nonsense.

He was one of our better players against Ross County, certainly better than Boyle and Myko that night. Dropped for the next game and those same 2 players disappointed again as our lack of goal threat cost us more points.

[tonyrougier123]

He was one of our better players against Ross County, certainly better than Boyle and Myko that night. Dropped for the next game and those same 2 players disappointed again as our lack of goal threat cost us more points.

Obviously dropped, we need a team effort, not a passenger deciding when he’s in the mood to listen and contribute. His actions on social media shows his true team ethic. Waste of a jersey in that mind set.

[B.H.F.C]

Obviously dropped, we need a team effort, not a passenger deciding when he’s in the mood to listen and contribute. His actions on social media shows his true team ethic. Waste of a jersey in that mind set.

But the last time he played he wasn’t a waste of a jersey. He was better than the other attacking players on the park.

I’m no his biggest fan but he should start on Saturday.

[Heisenberg]

He should 100% start up top on Saturday if Gayle isn’t fit.

[CapitalGreen]

Obviously dropped, we need a team effort, not a passenger deciding when he’s in the mood to listen and contribute. His actions on social media shows his true team ethic. Waste of a jersey in that mind set.

What a masterstroke, another 2 points dropped.

Against Ross County, Youan had twice as many touches of the ball, created more chances and took more shots than Boyle but it’s Youan who is the waste of a jersey, passenger with no work ethic.

[tonyrougier123]

But the last time he played he wasn’t a waste of a jersey. He was better than the other attacking players on the park.

I’m no his biggest fan but he should start on Saturday.

I think the biggest thing folk really aren’t getting is youan doesn’t want to play. Wants a move,trying not to get fined but he’s treading a thin line.

[B.H.F.C]

What a masterstroke, another 2 points dropped.

Youan had twice as many touches of the ball, created more chances and took more shots than Boyle but it’s Youan who is the waste of a jersey, passenger with no work ethic.

Was reading Gray talking about the options he was talking a fair bit about McKirdy. How they’d been working on a few things in training for if Gayle isn’t fit and how McKirdy sees that as his best position. Gives me a bit of the fear that.

[B.H.F.C]

I think the biggest thing folk really aren’t getting is youan doesn’t want to play. Wants a move,trying not to get fined but he’s treading a thin line.

Yet despite that, he offered more than the others in his last appearance.
Or do you just ignore that? There wasn’t any lack of effort in the two games he started.

[tonyrougier123]

Yet despite that, he offered more than the others in his last appearance.
Or don’t just ignore that? There wasn’t any lack of effort in the two games he started.

I don’t not get folk wanting him played, but you canny let one player cause that kind of trouble around the first team then consistently play him thinking it doesn’t matter what he does we need him. Had he scored and engineered a win any time he’s played recently I’d reluctantly hold my hands up, but he hasn’t and we only hold on to hope he does. All that while he rips the heart out of the club off the park by being sly and undermining the coaching team. We won’t lift ourselves out of this pandering to that type of player folks.

[B.H.F.C]

I don’t not get folk wanting him played, but you canny let one player cause that kind of trouble around the first team then consistently play him thinking it doesn’t matter what he does we need him. Had he scored and engineered a win any time he’s played recently I’d reluctantly hold my hands up, but he hasn’t and we only hold on to hope he does. All that while he rips the heart out of the club off the park by being sly and undermining the coaching team. We won’t lift ourselves out of this pandering to that type of player folks.

Longer term maybe. But short term he needs us as much as we need him. He’s not getting his move unless he starts contributing here. If we had other players doing their bit week in, week out and could ignore everything else then fine. We’re not in that position, none of the players playing ahead of him are doing enough.

[Donegal Hibby]

Was reading Gray talking about the options he was talking a fair bit about McKirdy. How they’d been working on a few things in training for if Gayle isn’t fit and how McKirdy sees that as his best position. Gives me a bit of the fear that.

He mentioned Boyle and Youan too that could play in the centre …I didn’t read to much into it as i thought he was just naming all the options he had rather than leaving anyone out . We will know soon enough , my guess is if Gayles out I think he’ll go with Boyle though did read Gayle was winning the race to make it .

[ChuckNor]

I’d be very surprised if Youan is playing this weekend. His antics extend beyond Instagram.

[Saint Hibee]

I think the biggest thing folk really aren’t getting is youan doesn’t want to play. Wants a move,trying not to get fined but he’s treading a thin line.

You’re simply just making this up.

[superfurryhibby]

I’d be very surprised if Youan is playing this weekend. His antics extend beyond Instagram.

Care to enlighten us?

[ChuckNor]

I think the biggest thing folk really aren’t getting is youan doesn’t want to play. Wants a move,trying not to get fined but he’s treading a thin line.

You’ve possibly got same info I have then

[tonyrougier123]

You’ve possibly got same info I have then

I’m not privy to any “info” bud sorry. I’m just reading between the lines, Gray suggesting he’s physicallly ready couple weeks but not elaborating. In and out the team, interactions with supporters online. Posting pics with ex gaffer after a match. The signs aren’t good. You can’t allow that kind of behaviour to envelope the first team it’s good for no one, mercurial talent that when on it is hard to cope with, I wish whole heartedly he’d knuckle down and get fully focused on winning a good move or to prove whilst he’s still wearing green it’s all about the hibs. But I don’t hold much hope. I’ll be there Saturday and I will stick a couple of quid on a hat trick just to prove myself wrong. 😂🤦*♂️

[superfurryhibby]

You’ve possibly got same info I have then

So you come on and posted something cryptic and then can't say what it is you heard (no doubt from social media). Why even bother? The guy you looked to for some back up admits he's speculating.

I'll speculate a bit too. I suspect Gray is pissed off with Youan and Youan is pissed off at not playing ahead of the likes of Boyle who is contributing little. Pity as the club needs him to be playing and contributing. We'll end up letting him go for much less than he was worth in the summer

[The Modfather]

I’d play Youan most weeks, probably instead of Boyle. However talking about our attackers is bald men fighting over a comb territory. None of them will hit double figures for goals this season. There’s mitigation, our main tactics being shelling endless crosses to an empty box or set pieces, but our best player this season, Hoiilet, has 1 league goal and no assists.

I don’t understand why Levit won’t get a look in as a 10 to get us to more major surgery in January. Especially when Kwon & Triantis have been up and down all season (arguably more ineffective than good) and Newell has had a poor season overall, I don’t think we’d overly notice dropping any of those 3.

[mvteng]

I’d play Youan most weeks, probably instead of Boyle. However talking about our attackers is bald men fighting over a comb territory. None of them will hit double figures for goals this season. There’s mitigation, our main tactics being shelling endless crosses to an empty box or set pieces, but our best player this season, Hoiilet, has 1 league goal and no assists.

I don’t understand why Levit won’t get a look in as a 10 to get us to more major surgery in January. Especially when Kwon & Triantis have been up and down all season (arguably more ineffective than good) and Newell has had a poor season overall, I don’t think we’d overly notice dropping any of those 3.

Agree with all of this. I'd be playing elie every week. Every week its basically the same team with no changes despite the poor results. He needs to change things & players like Elie & Levitt should be hungry to get the chance to play & show what they can do

[CapitalGreen]

I’d play Youan most weeks, probably instead of Boyle. However talking about our attackers is bald men fighting over a comb territory. None of them will hit double figures for goals this season. There’s mitigation, our main tactics being shelling endless crosses to an empty box or set pieces, but our best player this season, Hoiilet, has 1 league goal and no assists.

I don’t understand why Levit won’t get a look in as a 10 to get us to more major surgery in January. Especially when Kwon & Triantis have been up and down all season (arguably more ineffective than good) and Newell has had a poor season overall, I don’t think we’d overly notice dropping any of those 3.

Triantis has been very effective in what he was brought in to do which is protect the back 4. His absence was noticeable when he was out away to Dun Utd.

[MWHIBBIES]

I’d play Youan most weeks, probably instead of Boyle. However talking about our attackers is bald men fighting over a comb territory. None of them will hit double figures for goals this season. There’s mitigation, our main tactics being shelling endless crosses to an empty box or set pieces, but our best player this season, Hoiilet, has 1 league goal and no assists.

I don’t understand why Levit won’t get a look in as a 10 to get us to more major surgery in January. Especially when Kwon & Triantis have been up and down all season (arguably more ineffective than good) and Newell has had a poor season overall, I don’t think we’d overly notice dropping any of those 3.

Levitt is far too slow and weak to play 10. Got to be able to beat a man to play that role.

Newell was good against Dundee United. Hell keep his place.

[The Modfather]

Levitt is far too slow and weak to play 10. Got to be able to beat a man to play that role.

Newell was good against Dundee United. Hell keep his place.

Our whole midfield is too slow, one paced and never runs ahead of the ball. Levitt has many weaknesses, but with 2 out of those 3 behind him his weaknesses might not be as noticeable and we actually have a midfielder that can shoot and play through balls. Then in January we can look at signing an actual attacking midfielder, and striker. Persisting with the underperforming attacking options and 3 midfielders bereft of creativity and drive will see us continue to be amongst the lowest scorers in the league IMO.

Miller was also good against Dundee Utd, but has similarly had a poor season overall.

[B.H.F.C]

Our whole midfield is too slow, one paced and never runs ahead of the ball. Levitt has many weaknesses, but with 2 out of those 3 behind him his weaknesses might not be as noticeable and we actually have a midfielder that can shoot and play through balls. Then in January we can look at signing an actual attacking midfielder, and striker. Persisting with the underperforming attacking options and 3 midfielders bereft of creativity and drive will see us continue to be amongst the lowest scorers in the league IMO.

Miller was also good against Dundee Utd, but has similarly had a poor season overall.

I agree with you on Levitt. Like many of them he’s let us down before but I also think he’s another one that we’ve signed without any idea how to get the best out of him or fit him in to the team. He can do things that the others can’t do even if he does have some obvious weaknesses.

Given the total lack of creativity, I think it’s an odd one how little he’s been used whilst we just repeat the same things with the same results with many others.

[Wilson]

Given the total lack of creativity, I think it’s an odd one how little he’s been used whilst we just repeat the same things with the same results with many others.

The same thing with the same results appears to be getting in front in games and putting up stats that show we are not far away. We obviously need to change something to get over the line in games. I suspect we're looking for tweaks and improvements here and there. Not throwing the baby out with the bathwater in accommodating a weak link like Levitt.

[B.H.F.C]

The same thing with the same results appears to be getting in front in games and putting up stats that show we are not far away. We obviously need to change something to get over the line in games. I suspect we're looking for tweaks and improvements here and there. Not throwing the baby out with the bathwater in accommodating a weak link like Levitt.

It’s no about accommodating a weak link like him for me. We’re weak right through the team. Dundee Utd away game aside we’re not conceding a lot of goals. But we hardly score, or look like scoring, any goals. I’m not saying he’s the answer to all our problems, far from it, but if we don’t look at something beyond getting the ball wide and putting endless, hopeful crosses in to the box we’ll continue to struggle to score.

[CapitalGreen]

The same thing with the same results appears to be getting in front in games and putting up stats that show we are not far away. We obviously need to change something to get over the line in games. I suspect we're looking for tweaks and improvements here and there. Not throwing the baby out with the bathwater in accommodating a weak link like Levitt.

Dundee Utd managed to accommodate him when they finished in the Top 4 more recently than we have.

[MWHIBBIES]

Our whole midfield is too slow, one paced and never runs ahead of the ball. Levitt has many weaknesses, but with 2 out of those 3 behind him his weaknesses might not be as noticeable and we actually have a midfielder that can shoot and play through balls. Then in January we can look at signing an actual attacking midfielder, and striker. Persisting with the underperforming attacking options and 3 midfielders bereft of creativity and drive will see us continue to be amongst the lowest scorers in the league IMO.

Miller was also good against Dundee Utd, but has similarly had a poor season overall.

They are simply better players than Levitt, though. Like, he isn't even more creative than Newell imo. Newell played a sublime ball to Hoilett who just blazed it over without lifting his head. I don't think it ends very different with Levitt playing the pass.

His weaknesses are going forward. That's why I don't think he can play 10. How is he going to give us drive? He's slower than Newell.

[The Modfather]

They are simply better players than Levitt, though. Like, he isn't even more creative than Newell imo. Newell played a sublime ball to Hoilett who just blazed it over without lifting his head. I don't think it ends very different with Levitt playing the pass.

His weaknesses are going forward. That's why I don't think he can play 10. How is he going to give us drive? He's slower than Newell.

Why do you view everything, and every player, through the prism of Joe Newell?

Anyway, we’re bottom of the league. Joint lowest scorers and our preferred midfield 3 have 1 goal and 1 assist to their name. We’re long since past simply hoping we come good,and if Gray doesn’t try anything different he’ll not survive until January when he can bring in a proper midfielder and striker as a minimum.

[MWHIBBIES]

Why do you view everything, and every player, through the prism of Joe Newell?

Anyway, we’re bottom of the league. Joint lowest scorers and our preferred midfield 3 have 1 goal and 1 assist to their name. We’re long since past simply hoping we come good,and if Gray doesn’t try anything different he’ll not survive until January when he can bring in a proper midfielder and striker as a minimum.

I don't. We're talking about him taking the place of Joe Newell, so quite obviously I'm comparing them.

Trying something different for the sake of it also wont save his job.

[The Modfather]

I don't. We're talking about him taking the place of Joe Newell, so quite obviously I'm comparing them.

Trying something different for the sake of it also wont save his job.

I said trying Levitt with 2 from 3 (the 3 being Triantis, Kwon or Newell) behind him doing his dirty work might address our creativity and scoring issues. You then replied talking about Newell being better than Levitt and talking up Newell’s creativity. Without ever mention either of Kwon or Triantis.

Anyway, I don’t think dropping any one of the 3 for someone who is better suited to trying further forward would see us any worse off and maybe allow us to limp on until January and sign more suitable players.

I’ll leave it there as made my point and not looking to endlessly go back and forth.

[superfurryhibby]

I said trying Levitt with 2 from 3 (the 3 being Triantis, Kwon or Newell) behind him doing his dirty work might address our creativity and scoring issues. You then replied talking about Newell being better than Levitt and talking up Newell’s creativity. Without ever mention either of Kwon or Triantis.

Anyway, I don’t think dropping any one of the 3 for someone who is better suited to trying further forward would see us any worse off and maybe allow us to limp on until January and sign more suitable players.

I’ll leave it there as made my point and not looking to endlessly go back and forth.

I think we have to try Levitt in a more advanced play maker type role in midfield. Newell, Kwon and Triantis all lack forward drive and creativity, which the side is crying out for. You could make a case for dropping anyone of them and I'm not really fussed about whether Newell made one decent forward pass last week.

[MWHIBBIES]

I think we have to try Levitt in a more advanced play maker type role in midfield. Newell, Kwon and Triantis all lack forward drive and creativity, which the side is crying out for. You could make a case for dropping anyone of them and I'm not really fussed about whether Newell made one decent forward pass last week.

I'm all for benching Newell to add ''drive and creativity'' but its not coming from Levitt. Lets try it, he'll get flung about in that role.

[CapitalGreen]

I'm all for benching Newell to add ''drive and creativity'' but its not coming from Levitt. Lets try it, he'll get flung about in that role.

Why would he get flung about?

[MWHIBBIES]

Why would he get flung about?

He's weak, slow and just a bit lightweight. I think in those battles, running beyond strikers, scrapping with defensive midfielders, he'd come off 2nd best. He's not a 10 imo.

Someone like Scott Allan not only had far superior passing ability, but had a change of pace, some upper body strength, some trickery. Levitt isn't that guy imo.

Levitt is Mallan without the shooting.