Sauzee v Gray

[Bobby's Cinema]

I was too young to remember much at all from Sauzee's time as manager, though I do have memories being taken through to Hampden for the first time as a kid to see us v Ayr Utd...

What were things like under Sauzee the manager, are there comparisons to be made vs now or very different? Did the majority want him out at the end and did things immediately improve afterword?

Don't want a negative spiral of a thread just interested :hnet:.

[wookie70]

Sauzee's record was even worse. No league wins and a disastrous Hampden defeat from Ayr.

[O'Rourke3]

We were not on a great run of form when the Ginger trick left. Making Franck manager took our best player out of the team. Unappreciated at the time but we were about to go into an extreme bout of austerity thanks to a legacy of mental spending on transfers when everyone considered Setanta TV money was assured.

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[Colr]

Both show the mistake of appointing rookie managers with zero experience.

Managing is a craft that needs to be learned. Even the great Eddie Turnbull honed his skills at Queens Park before coming to Hibs via Aberdeen.

With Sauzee and Grey they could have been great managers but the experience of being dropped into a failing side in the glare of the spotlight and with high expectations is not fair.

[He's here!]

I was too young to remember much at all from Sauzee's time as manager, though I do have memories being taken through to Hampden for the first time as a kid to see us v Ayr Utd...

What were things like under Sauzee the manager, are there comparisons to be made vs now or very different? Did the majority want him out at the end and did things immediately improve afterword?

Don't want a negative spiral of a thread just interested :hnet:.

Gray's coaching/managerial experience is vast compared to Sauzee's. I don't think Franck especially wanted the job and the club (strangely for a generally cautious guy like Petrie) acted rashly in appointing him. He was such a beloved figure that the fans were right behind him, but it was quickly clear to everyone it wasn't going to work out.

[Baader]

Sauzee inherited a team on the slide. McLeish left Hibs on a downward trajectory, guys like Hurtado had come in to replace better players who had left.

Sauzee's first big challenge was to replace himself as our best player as he quit playing on appointment. Not easy. Given the lack of experience it was just too much and we went from bad to worse.

[KWJ]

Positives from the Sauzee reign was the draws with Hearts and Celtic as well as him giving Derek Riordan his debut.

Sadly, that was about it. 😔

[J-C]

Sauzee never really wanted it but did so out of his affection fir the club, it's telling he's never coached or managed since. Gray has chosen to become a coach and therefore any criticism is correct.

[Musselbound]

The equivalent would've been if Gray had been given the job 3 years ago when he retired from playing. I think with Sauzee it was too much to ask to go straight from the dressing room to the manager's office.

[Bobby's Cinema]

Positives from the Sauzee reign was the draws with Hearts and Celtic as well as him giving Derek Riordan his debut.

Sadly, that was about it. 😔
Did not know that :hmmm:

[Itsnoteasy]

Both show the mistake of appointing rookie managers with zero experience.

Managing is a craft that needs to be learned. Even the great Eddie Turnbull honed his skills at Queens Park before coming to Hibs via Aberdeen.

With Sauzee and Grey they could have been great managers but the experience of being dropped into a failing side in the glare of the spotlight and with high expectations is not fair.

Both men were in the team long enough to see the team was on the slide. It was their choice to try & salvage a sinking ship

[CJHibby]

Sauzee never lost to the Tarts:flag:

[CJHibby]

..as player or manager that is.

[Itsnoteasy]

..as player or manager that is.

Has to be a record in itself.

[CJHibby]

He was something special :sauzee:

[Bishop Hibee]

I regarded the 1-0 defeat to Ayr Utd in the 2002 League Cup semi final as the worst result and performance I’d seen from a Hibs team. Little did I know what was round the corner with far worse disasters in the 22 years since.

As others have said, he should never have been given the job. Similar to Gray in that respect.

[21May16]

..as player or manager that is.

John O’Neil game was pandemonium

[Stuart93]

John O’Neil game was pandemonium

Remember being in the roseburn that night

Bits of chair flying past my head as O’Neil scored, mental

That’s the stand no the pub by the way

[21May16]

Remember being in the roseburn that night

Bits of chair flying past my head as O’Neil scored, mental

That’s the stand no the pub by the way

Aye brilliant night.

[Keith_M]

I regarded the 1-0 defeat to Ayr Utd in the 2002 League Cup semi final as the worst result and performance I’d seen from a Hibs team. Little did I know what was round the corner with far worse disasters in the 22 years since.

As others have said, he should never have been given the job. Similar to Gray in that respect.


Even worse than losing at home to Stranraer in '99?

But yeah, it was awful.

[Bushwoof]

I remember almost being thankful when Ayr scored to get rid of the possibility of another 30 minutes of that, it was so bad.

Apart from, as has been said, Sauzee's biggest problem being that he himself wasn't playing, I think that his downfall was that he was such an excellent player that he couldn't work out that the rest of the squad weren't capable of playing the way he thought the game could be played.

SDG's situation isn't comparable TBH.

[EdinMike]

Remember being in the roseburn that night

Bits of chair flying past my head as O’Neil scored, mental

That’s the stand no the pub by the way

Not gonna lie, that last line made me chuckle 😅

[21May16]

I remember almost being thankful when Ayr scored to get rid of the possibility of another 30 minutes of that, it was so bad.

Apart from, as has been said, Sauzee's biggest problem being that he himself wasn't playing, I think that his downfall was that he was such an excellent player that he couldn't work out that the rest of the squad weren't capable of playing the way he thought the game could be played.

SDG's situation isn't comparable TBH.

Sure we lost in extra time, no?

[Bushwoof]

Sure we lost in extra time, no?
You may be right. Maybe my prayers weren't answered. We could have played for days and not come near scoring. I've blanked it from my memory.

[Bishop Hibee]

Even worse than losing at home to Stranraer in '99?

But yeah, it was awful.

That was August ‘98. Last game I was at before going to Australia for a year. It was dire but missing out on a final was worse in my opinion.

[HibbyAndy]

Remember being in the roseburn that night

Bits of chair flying past my head as O’Neil scored, mental

That’s the stand no the pub by the way

Townsley should have won it right at the death tae !

[Hibees1973]

Malcolm McPherson is the common denominator in appointing Sauzee & Gray.

Aye, him who said Kensell is doing a grand job.

What a fool.