The morning after…. Analysis….

[Albert Kidd 86’]

Been trying to process what went so wrong so quickly yesterday…

not trying to blame anyone in particular, just what can be learned, also helps me with the anguish it caused !

everything happened so quickly it was difficult to analyse at the time, but looking at the facts;

We were seemingly looking good at 2-1, then within 5 mins we had a man sent off, (84) and two subs (88,89), they then scored in 93 and 99th minutes.

1) the sending off- I think the first yellow for Newell was nonsense, but that’s Scottish football nowadays. Joe looked tired as the game went on, not surprising for his first game back after surgery.

Solution- could have done with being subbed on the 60-65min mark. (Probably Levitt)

2) the two subs- if you look at who they replaced (Myko and Hoilett), this was clearly a move to protect what we had. My argument with that is; although I thought Myko lacked composure at times allowing the ball to bounce of him instead of controlling it, he, Gayle and Hoilett were occupying the united defence and keeping them honest and defensively set up. When these two went off along with the red card, it totally changed our game plan at a vital stage of the game allowing united to forget about defending and throw caution to the wind.

Solution- keep their defenders honest as mentioned.

In Summary: The whole thing fell apart after the red card, as we seemed to go into panic mode for no reason as we were leading with 7 or so mins remaining. It is easy to comment after the fact , but I am extremely disappointed that we could not hold onto a lead for 7 mins, and see the game out professionally. Some of the decision making in that final 10mins deserves scrutinising and those responsible (not just the players), given some sort of written warning like what any normal person would get if they performed that way at work).

The bottom line-

-sub players who are clearly tiring WHEN they show the signs of tiring. If Joe had been subbed on the 60 min mark when; even I as a rank amateur could see he was struggling, then we would have had 11 men on the pitch and no need for “panic” subs later. I reckon that the desicion not to sub him earlier led to the debacle later and subsequent loss.

A very bad day at the office not helped by poor management.

hopfully all concerned will reflect on their errors and learn.

[SlickShoes]

Gray continues to make subs that cost us games, the man is a living legend but he isn't a very good manager nor does he seem to be learning.

Even with the red card we should have been able to hang on, but as soon as you see Campbell and Levitt coming on you just knew what was about to happen. Campbell can give 200% but he doesn't have the composure needed to be coming on to do anything late in a game. Subs for the sake of making subs, we were still in control without Newell like you said, these subs are making us much worse and disrupting our performance more than the opposition.

People keep saying to give him more time, but we continue on our rapid decline. I am sure many of us thought at worst he would have us doing OK or the same as last season, but somehow we are even worse defensively, than last season when we had a makeshift defence for half the season.

And for the subs we need to be making, as soon as Newell was booked the first time this week and Triantis last week, you knew if they stayed on long enough they were going to end up with a red card. I have watched Joe Newell play more games than I ever thought I'd have to and he will always make unnecessary fouls late in games, these cost us often but especially so when he has an early booking.

[Heisenberg]

Gray continues to make subs that cost us games, the man is a living legend but he isn't a very good manager nor does he seem to be learning.

Even with the red card we should have been able to hang on, but as soon as you see Campbell and Levitt coming on you just knew what was about to happen. Campbell can give 200% but he doesn't have the composure needed to be coming on to do anything late in a game. Subs for the sake of making subs, we were still in control without Newell like you said, these subs are making us much worse and disrupting our performance more than the opposition.

People keep saying to give him more time, but we continue on our rapid decline. I am sure many of us thought at worst he would have us doing OK or the same as last season, but somehow we are even worse defensively, than last season when we had a makeshift defence for half the season.

His continual use of Campbell and Cadden is worrying and is exactly what I thought we’d be avoiding with him in charge. Hes picking favourites and giving them chance after chance.

[B.H.F.C]

As soon as the red card happened, the loss of a goal was inevitable. Given the timing, I didn’t necessarily expect us to lose two though.

We simply don’t have the players with the mentality to cope with such situations and any time they need a bit help from the sideline, Gray is making it doubly difficult for them with his inability to influence the game. Twice we’ve went down to ten men and he’s taken Hoilett off straight away. He’s the only one that is capable of keeping to one ball under a bit pressure ffs.

[Nicho87]

Spineless sadly

It seems to be the hibs way when we go to ten men we will fold

I seem to recall the days if a team went to ten men managers used to say the team was harder to break down etc

We’ve replaced both centre half’s with non proven centre half’s in this league and we’re surprised we’re leaking goals left right centre

[Callum_62]

The Introduction of Campbell had a direct influence in both goals

I seen Gray after the equalizer talking to someone on the coaching staff and pointing to where Josh lost the ball - in sure he was raging at that

He would be even more raging at the winner given you've subbed the guy on to work his ass off and plug gaps, but stand around admiring the utd uktras as the boy lobs in the winner

Bottom line for me is bringing on subs that have an Impact like that should see them dropped completely

He will probably start next week

I agree about the changes too - while Myko frustrates me, him and Gayle were giving them something to think about

Each time we have we have gone down to 10 Gray has signalled to the other team to just attack for the remainder of the game as we simply won't

Again it's a mentality thing and ours seems weak right from the manager down

I'm sure Gray is raging at some players but I bet there's some that are starting to have some serious doubts about him

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[Nicho87]

Put in my lineup prediction Campbell should be nowhere near the first eleven

It’s at a point - no where near the match day squad

Had an absolute joke of a cameo yesterday

[SickBoy32]

The squad is just a collection of randoms, sub standard players.

2 Scottish players in the starting XI (neither are any good, although hopefully Molotnikov will be in time)

Virtually nobody in that squad has a connection with the club, and it shows.

Who sets the standards? Who among them knows what a good Hibs team looks like? Boyle and Boyle alone. Not good enough.

[NorthNorfolkHFC]

It’s controversial but Rudi isn’t good enough. He doesn’t do anything like beat a man then he loses control whilst running, doesn’t shoot either. He’s young but he’ll not make it.

Martin Boyle: his hopeless defending cost us the second goal. Should never have been beaten one va one but in the darling so can’t be criticised.


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[Jones28]

It’s controversial but Rudi isn’t good enough. He doesn’t do anything like beat a man then he loses control whilst running, doesn’t shoot either. He’s young but he’ll not make it.

Martin Boyle: his hopeless defending cost us the second goal. Should never have been beaten one va one but in the darling so can’t be criticised.


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I thought Rudi looked better after the changes were made, as did the whole team.

First half he was not at it, lost the ball countless times and couldn’t get in to the game.

[NC1875]

Can’t believe people are saying newells first yellow isn’t a yellow. It’s a yellow all day long. Middleton I think it is, is off and running if Newell doesn’t foul him.

[skyehibee]

Our ability to pass the ball around seems to have totally gone. We can’t do it for longer than 4/5 passes before somebody panics and either gives it away instantly or just hoofs it up the park hoping for the best.

[FastEddieFelson]

Really don't like singling players out for criticism but it's hard not to after yesterday. Newell's challenge for his second yellow was moronic. No need to make that challenge whatsoever.

Campbell's attempt at keeping the ball and running out some time just before their equaliser was absolutely pathetic. The very opposite of "streetwise".

[InvertedFullBak]

The fact he keeps persisting with Boyle , Campbell , Newell , miller and Cadden will be his downfall. He’s sat and watched the aforementioned play their part in getting numerous guys the bullet yet he keeps playing them. He signed off on Joe Newell getting a new deal ffs.

He isn’t learning and let’s be honest , you shouldn’t have to be learning to have the Hibs job. You should have to earn the right to get the gig.

The cheap option from the board yet again and employed to keep the fans happy so the heat goes off the charlatans running the club.

[andrew_dundee]

Player for player and when comparing resources, we should still be able to hold a lead and beat Dundee United relatively comfortably, even with 10 men for the last 10 mins.

It's hard to escape the conclusion that, like too many of his predecessors, Gray isn't up to the job.

[Since452]

Gayle now needs to be starting every game. Youan too. Our best players need to be on the park. Newell, that's enough for me I'm afraid. Same with Miller and Campbell. We are in serious trouble and at this point I'd be very surprised if we aren't relegated.

[Unseen work]

Can’t believe people are saying newells first yellow isn’t a yellow. It’s a yellow all day long. Middleton I think it is, is off and running if Newell doesn’t foul him.

Yep, stupid tackle

[Unseen work]

Put it this way, if United were 2-1 up and got a man sent off with 10-15 minutes left does anyone think we’d win the game?

No chance

[MWHIBBIES]

Put it this way, if United were 2-1 up and got a man sent off with 10-15 minutes left does anyone think we’d win the game?

No chance

If they had our goalie and Josh Campbell? Comfortably.

[Jim44]

Spineless sadly

It seems to be the hibs way when we go to ten men we will fold

I seem to recall the days if a team went to ten men managers used to say the team was harder to break down etc

We’ve replaced both centre half’s with non proven centre half’s in this league and we’re surprised we’re leaking goals left right centre

On more than one occasion I heard Craig Brown saying that, in some respects, teams reduced to ten men had an advantage over eleven.

[Real Emerald]

On more than one occasion I heard Craig Brown saying that, in some respects, teams reduced to ten men had an advantage over eleven.

The Keystone Cops were rubbish at it too.

[Bobby's Cinema]

We have a goalkeeper and centre half pairing that lose their composure under minimal pressure.

The goalie is all over the place but look at your supposed big commanding centre half Ekpiteta for the goals when you need him to take charge and take the pressure off. That third goal is as bad as it gets.

We've made three signings here in key positions. And I see it it's still our Number one priority problem area. None of them have improved us.

Yet again our recruitment has squandered more cash and made a balls up addressing problem areas that has us bottom of the league.

Rocky must be shaking his head from the bench ffs.

[roo62]

Been trying to process what went so wrong so quickly yesterday…

not trying to blame anyone in particular, just what can be learned, also helps me with the anguish it caused !

everything happened so quickly it was difficult to analyse at the time, but looking at the facts;

We were seemingly looking good at 2-1, then within 5 mins we had a man sent off, (84) and two subs (88,89), they then scored in 93 and 99th minutes.

1) the sending off- I think the first yellow for Newell was nonsense, but that’s Scottish football nowadays. Joe looked tired as the game went on, not surprising for his first game back after surgery.

Solution- could have done with being subbed on the 60-65min mark. (Probably Levitt)

2) the two subs- if you look at who they replaced (Myko and Hoilett), this was clearly a move to protect what we had. My argument with that is; although I thought Myko lacked composure at times allowing the ball to bounce of him instead of controlling it, he, Gayle and Hoilett were occupying the united defence and keeping them honest and defensively set up. When these two went off along with the red card, it totally changed our game plan at a vital stage of the game allowing united to forget about defending and throw caution to the wind.

Solution- keep their defenders honest as mentioned.

In Summary: The whole thing fell apart after the red card, as we seemed to go into panic mode for no reason as we were leading with 7 or so mins remaining. It is easy to comment after the fact , but I am extremely disappointed that we could not hold onto a lead for 7 mins, and see the game out professionally. Some of the decision making in that final 10mins deserves scrutinising and those responsible (not just the players), given some sort of written warning like what any normal person would get if they performed that way at work).

The bottom line-

-sub players who are clearly tiring WHEN they show the signs of tiring. If Joe had been subbed on the 60 min mark when; even I as a rank amateur could see he was struggling, then we would have had 11 men on the pitch and no need for “panic” subs later. I reckon that the desicion not to sub him earlier led to the debacle later and subsequent loss.

A very bad day at the office not helped by poor management.

hopfully all concerned will reflect on their errors and learn.
Great post totally agree. Defeat snatched from the jaws of victory - 3 huge points lost going into the Derby and now a totally different mood.

[Greenbeard]

Can’t believe people are saying newells first yellow isn’t a yellow. It’s a yellow all day long. Middleton I think it is, is off and running if Newell doesn’t foul him.
yip

[wookie70]

I missed the game yesterday so watched the highlights to see what went wrong. Newell's first booking comes from Rudi having the ball and not protecting it. Their first is a shocking pass from Rudi and then a lack of pace from Miller. Newell with a terrible touch and then a crazy challenge turns the game. Their equalizer is some of the worst defending I can remember. Boyle with the weakest of challenges, Kwon with no real effort to stop the cross, Bursik with weak palm out into the worst area possible, Marv moves away as scorer moves towards ball, Scorer takes touch and Iredale stands rather than closes. The first two goals come from our very weak right flank. Middleton must have thought he was playing against the training dummies. O'Hora bad and Bursik horrific for their winner. It is a performance that has been seen with different players and with different managers over the last 5 years - sloppy, slow and lacking concentration

The pressure is on Gray and that is warranted as the subs have been dreadful in most games. However, we have players making terrible decisions on a weekly basis that are directly leading to us losing goals. The last two games we have literally chucked points away with terrible decisions by midfielders and then comedy defending. We desperately need players to start concentrating for the full 90 but they look like a group where the pressure of late goals and the league position will make them worse rather than buck up their ideas.

[Tambo]

It’s controversial but Rudi isn’t good enough. He doesn’t do anything like beat a man then he loses control whilst running, doesn’t shoot either. He’s young but he’ll not make it.

Martin Boyle: his hopeless defending cost us the second goal. Should never have been beaten one va one but in the darling so can’t be criticised.


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Beat his man a couple of times yesterday and had a couple of shots, where they close shots? No but still tried, no doubt had a good few poor touches and passes which led to Newell getting booked and also involved in Dundee United's first.

A couple of times when he lost the ball he received it in a tight space and surrounded by 3 Dundee United players.

Still believe he's a great talent and one for the future.

You're probably right and he's maybe not good enough for what we need right now, he has played most of his best football for us on the left side, needs games but also needs to learn from his mistakes.

[hibs4life]

"Can't be criticised"?? Isn't that just what you've done? At time, criticising players seems to be what Hibs.net is primarily about.


It’s controversial but Rudi isn’t good enough. He doesn’t do anything like beat a man then he loses control whilst running, doesn’t shoot either. He’s young but he’ll not make it.

Martin Boyle: his hopeless defending cost us the second goal. Should never have been beaten one va one but in the darling so can’t be criticised.


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[GreenCastle]

Yesterday wasn’t a surprise as the team lacks serious leadership and mental toughness to grind out a result.

Our supposedly main leader Newell gets stupidly sent off and as soon as they scored 2 they knew they would win 3-2. You would think the lesson from last game was keep 11 players on the pitch.

We went into our soft shell.

No surprise Miller was poor - he’s been around the world and had x2 90 min games in 5 days.

Moving Cadden who can’t defend to right back was then changed after only 5 mins into 2nd half. Why not sub both at half time.

This isn’t youth football and about learning - these guys are paid good money to be professional - right now it’s amateur performances most weeks.

-1st game of the season 2nd half collapse against St Mirren losing 3 goals including 2 goals in 2 mins.
- Losing a goal after 3 mins to Celtic following the St Mirren half.
- Next game losing a goal after 4 mins to same team
- next game losing a goal after 9 mins to Dundee then late 88 mins goal.
- after drawing last game - we go to Killie and give away a 92 min goal
- we finally get a win at home to St J
- next game play solid enough against Rangers but Miller terrible at goal and Myko misses penalty
- player sent off and lose 80 min goal from long throw
- next game against Utd - player sent off and lose x2 goals in 93rd and 99th minute.

It’s ridiculous the amount of same issues or mistakes we have made. A pattern of players and staff making terrible choices and under performing.

[cabbageandribs1875]

On more than one occasion I heard Craig Brown saying that, in some respects, teams reduced to ten men had an advantage over eleven.

and i seem to remember one side especially on a few occasions having a knack of pulling their sleeves up and either going on to win it or hold on to a lead after going down to ten.


our city neighbours

[cabbageandribs1875]

We have a goalkeeper and centre half pairing that lose their composure under minimal pressure.

The goalie is all over the place but look at your supposed big commanding centre half Ekpiteta for the goals when you need him to take charge and take the pressure off. That third goal is as bad as it gets.

We've made three signings here in key positions. And I see it it's still our Number one priority problem area. None of them have improved us.

Yet again our recruitment has squandered more cash and made a balls up addressing problem areas that has us bottom of the league.

Rocky must be shaking his head from the bench ffs.


:agree:

[NorthNorfolkHFC]

I thought Rudi looked better after the changes were made, as did the whole team.

First half he was not at it, lost the ball countless times and couldn’t get in to the game.

I think he is ok and a decent enough young player but he hardly set the heather alight. take for example Miller Thomson that played for tehm yesterday.

But for Hibs, we need better. He ws out AMC yesterday and never turned and ran at folk, beat a man or got a shot off.

[Del Boy]

I think he is ok and a decent enough young player but he hardly set the heather alight. take for example Miller Thomson that played for tehm yesterday.

But for Hibs, we need better. He ws out AMC yesterday and never turned and ran at folk, beat a man or got a shot off.

I think he’s a decent player but I don’t see him ever going on to play at a higher level than Hibs, whereas the guy Thomson at United looks like he has something about him which could lead to him moving up to a bigger club at some point. No guarantees on either obviously but for me comparing the two yesterday, Thomson looks the more exciting prospect.

[JimBHibees]

I think he is ok and a decent enough young player but he hardly set the heather alight. take for example Miller Thomson that played for tehm yesterday.

But for Hibs, we need better. He ws out AMC yesterday and never turned and ran at folk, beat a man or got a shot off.

Thought he had s few decent turns and runs didn’t really come to much.

[SeanWilson]

With half the team, including our club captain being out and about in Shanghai last night…. With some at a house party past 9am this morning….. I’d suggest the morning after analysis is redundant.

Club is a sham.

[B.H.F.C]

With half the team, including our club captain being out and about in Shanghai last night…. With some at a house party past 9am this morning….. I’d suggest the morning after analysis is redundant.

Club is a sham.

It’s just a good old bit of team bonding eh.

[cabbageandribs1875]

With half the team, including our club captain being out and about in Shanghai last night…. With some at a house party past 9am this morning….. I’d suggest the morning after analysis is redundant.

Club is a sham.



hope no one drove home after having had a tipple or three

[JimBHibees]

With half the team, including our club captain being out and about in Shanghai last night…. With some at a house party past 9am this morning….. I’d suggest the morning after analysis is redundant.

Club is a sham.

It’s a good thing we are going along so well and don’t have a big game next weekend

[matty_f]

The mad thing about the last three losses is that we've been decent in the game for large parts of it - against Motherwell, their manager said we were the better team, Goodwin alluded to that again yesterday, and yet we've contrived to lose the games.

It's a horrendous habit to be in, and one that will get us relegated unless we address it.

We're not getting battered in games, we're rarely looking like the game is out of our reach, yet there will be very few folk on here that thought, when the ref brought out that red card yesterday, we would hold on to win the game. If it stayed 11 v 11, I genuinely think we go on to win the game, same with Motherwell the match before.

But the reality is that we did get the men sent off, and we did bottle it in both games. You're looking at awful lapses in concentration and woeful decision making from players that are handing points to the opposition.

There is absolutely no point in being the better team for 70-80 minutes in a game if you're going to capitulate in the last 15 minutes and lose the match.

We could easily have been talking about a win where we've come from behind at a tough venue yesterday, instead we're looking at whose head should be on the chopping block for another shambolic defeat.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

With half the team, including our club captain being out and about in Shanghai last night…. With some at a house party past 9am this morning….. I’d suggest the morning after analysis is redundant.

Club is a sham.

Surely not?

[Nicho87]

The mad thing about the last three losses is that we've been decent in the game for large parts of it - against Motherwell, their manager said we were the better team, Goodwin alluded to that again yesterday, and yet we've contrived to lose the games.

It's a horrendous habit to be in, and one that will get us relegated unless we address it.

We're not getting battered in games, we're rarely looking like the game is out of our reach, yet there will be very few folk on here that thought, when the ref brought out that red card yesterday, we would hold on to win the game. If it stayed 11 v 11, I genuinely think we go on to win the game, same with Motherwell the match before.

But the reality is that we did get the men sent off, and we did bottle it in both games. You're looking at awful lapses in concentration and woeful decision making from players that are handing points to the opposition.

There is absolutely no point in being the better team for 70-80 minutes in a game if you're going to capitulate in the last 15 minutes and lose the match.

We could easily have been talking about a win where we've come from behind at a tough venue yesterday, instead we're looking at whose head should be on the chopping block for another shambolic defeat.

It’s terrifying when managers of the opposition team are saying hibs played well and bossed the game etc. yet we are still walking away with zero points.

I worry for the games we don’t have good spells and simply get beat by a team who does turn up and boss us for 90 minutes

[B.H.F.C]

The mad thing about the last three losses is that we've been decent in the game for large parts of it - against Motherwell, their manager said we were the better team, Goodwin alluded to that again yesterday, and yet we've contrived to lose the games.

It's a horrendous habit to be in, and one that will get us relegated unless we address it.

We're not getting battered in games, we're rarely looking like the game is out of our reach, yet there will be very few folk on here that thought, when the ref brought out that red card yesterday, we would hold on to win the game. If it stayed 11 v 11, I genuinely think we go on to win the game, same with Motherwell the match before.

But the reality is that we did get the men sent off, and we did bottle it in both games. You're looking at awful lapses in concentration and woeful decision making from players that are handing points to the opposition.

There is absolutely no point in being the better team for 70-80 minutes in a game if you're going to capitulate in the last 15 minutes and lose the match.

We could easily have been talking about a win where we've come from behind at a tough venue yesterday, instead we're looking at whose head should be on the chopping block for another shambolic defeat.

Said it elsewhere but it’s three games we’ve been leading going in to injury time yet failed to win. That points to a fundamental issue defensively and/or with our mentality. But we also have to be doing a bit right to find ourselves in those positions at that point of the games rather than just being a complete shambles for the duration.

I know folk will say it doesn’t matter a toss and I get that. It’s how I felt leaving yesterday. But when we’ve been right in the ***** before I’ve seen us just completely fail to contribute anything to games. Not for a minute saying we’re in any way a good team but we’re not at that point. It’s the one thing that gives me a tiny bit of hope.

[matty_f]

It’s terrifying when managers of the opposition team are saying hibs played well and bossed the game etc. yet we are still walking away with zero points.

I worry for the games we don’t have good spells and simply get beat by a team who does turn up and boss us for 90 minutes

Exactly - if we're losing these games, and Motherwell and Dundee Utd are not good teams, by the way, then we're in for a few sore ones when we have our really bad games.

[matty_f]

Said it elsewhere but it’s three games we’ve been leading going in to injury time yet failed to win. That points to a fundamental issue defensively and/or with our mentality. But we also have to be doing a bit right to find ourselves in those positions at that point of the games rather than just being a complete shambles for the duration.

I know folk will say it doesn’t matter a toss and I get that. It’s how I felt leaving yesterday. But when we’ve been right in the ***** before I’ve seen us just completely fail to contribute anything to games. Not for a minute saying we’re in any way a good team but we’re not at that point. It’s the one thing that gives me a tiny bit of hope.

It's a total contradiction, eh? Like we're nearly there but because we're *****, it's redundant. It's almost impossible to take positives from these games because of how we've thrown them away.

[GreenCastle]

With half the team, including our club captain being out and about in Shanghai last night…. With some at a house party past 9am this morning….. I’d suggest the morning after analysis is redundant.

Club is a sham.

Wouldn’t surprise me - clubs a joke and half the squad will be leaving in summer so they probably don’t care much.

[B.H.F.C]

It's a total contradiction, eh? Like we're nearly there but because we're *****, it's redundant. It's almost impossible to take positives from these games because of how we've thrown them away.

Aye, it’s *****. I suppose we just need to hope we can keep putting ourselves in winning positions and manage to grow a set of balls and not throw it away.

Or failing that, we just go full Terry Butcher and hope that we go behind, to take away the fear of going behind.

[lugz]

With half the team, including our club captain being out and about in Shanghai last night…. With some at a house party past 9am this morning….. I’d suggest the morning after analysis is redundant.

Club is a sham.

Would anyone really be surprised about this? The players don't care about the club or the fans. Just a part of the rotten club we are right now.

[Del Boy]

Wouldn’t surprise me - clubs a joke and half the squad will be leaving in summer so they probably don’t care much.

Yeah, would say I’m shocked but I’m really not. Don’t have an issue with players having a social life obviously but IMO during the season they shouldn’t be out at night clubs and definitely not at house parties until 9am!!

[Unseen work]

If some are out until 9am I think the club should do a drug test or two…

[NorthNorfolkHFC]

Again, I’m not sure when you play football you care about fans, and even at a stretch care for the club.

But footballers should care about personal pride and winning, and with our lot just now it seems non existent.


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[LustForLeith]

Some of the comments on here about the players being out after the game are hilarious. Not sure if they’re supposed to lock themselves in a cupboard away from the twitching curtains of Hibs fans

If that was the case after every defeat they’d soon all be hermits wit the way results are going

[S4uzee]

Some of the comments on here about the players being out after the game are hilarious. Not sure if they’re supposed to lock themselves in a cupboard away from the twitching curtains of Hibs fans

If that was the case after every defeat they’d soon all be hermits wit the way results are going

Or perhaps maybe in for training on the Sunday as they’re bottom of the league and have a derby next week?

[SickBoy32]

With half the team, including our club captain being out and about in Shanghai last night…. With some at a house party past 9am this morning….. I’d suggest the morning after analysis is redundant.

Club is a sham.

Unprofessional in the extreme, ****ing clowns.

Poster above is spot on re the drug testing.

Would start with the tango man on that front!!

[JohnM1875]

Some of the comments on here about the players being out after the game are hilarious. Not sure if they’re supposed to lock themselves in a cupboard away from the twitching curtains of Hibs fans

If that was the case after every defeat they’d soon all be hermits wit the way results are going

Its not about having a social life, of course players are allowed one. Its about having some self-respect. Players like Scott Brown and Roy Keane loved a bevy. Do you think they'd be out getting scooped after yet another embarrassing loss when sitting bottom of the ****ing league?

[Albert Kidd 86’]

Its not about having a social life, of course players are allowed one. Its about having some self-respect. Players like Scott Brown and Roy Keane loved a bevy. Do you think they'd be out getting scooped after yet another embarrassing loss when sitting bottom of the ****ing league?


agree, If this turns out to be true, SDG should be using it as an example of how far from reality some players are, and come down on them like a ton of bricks.

[Bridge hibs]

Its not about having a social life, of course players are allowed one. Its about having some self-respect. Players like Scott Brown and Roy Keane loved a bevy. Do you think they'd be out getting scooped after yet another embarrassing loss when sitting bottom of the ****ing league?

How do you know Keane and Brown didnt go out for a bevvy after a defeat, neither were whiter than white. Always the same on here though, outrage after a poster sticks something up on a fans web site.

Im more outraged about the sickening defeat on Saturday.

[erin go bragh]

With half the team, including our club captain being out and about in Shanghai last night…. With some at a house party past 9am this morning….. I’d suggest the morning after analysis is redundant.

Club is a sham.

If the 9am bit is true 🤬 great preparation for the derby that 🤬

[JohnM1875]

How do you know Keane and Brown didnt go out for a bevvy after a defeat, neither were whiter than white. Always the same on here though, outrage after a poster sticks something up on a fans web site.

Im more outraged about the sickening defeat on Saturday.

Keane talks about it all the time on The Overlap. How losing a game affected him. No chance he's out drinking in town after it.

If Newell is out drinking after being sent off and massively contributing to the loss on Saturday then he's even less of a captain than I thought.

[flash]

With half the team, including our club captain being out and about in Shanghai last night…. With some at a house party past 9am this morning….. I’d suggest the morning after analysis is redundant.

Club is a sham.

Without naming who was out all night I think this is unhelpful as it just leads to speculation as to who was involved.

I think you should name them. If it's true they don't deserve the cloak of anonymity.

[GreenCastle]

Some of the comments on here about the players being out after the game are hilarious. Not sure if they’re supposed to lock themselves in a cupboard away from the twitching curtains of Hibs fans

If that was the case after every defeat they’d soon all be hermits wit the way results are going

Obviously the poster could be talking nonsense but if true..

Not sure what’s worse - fans thinking it’s fine for our so called professional players to be out on one of the busiest streets in Edinburgh in one of the busiest nightclubs after a terrible game and letting 2,500 fans down or the players having the attitude to go out and think it would be a good idea to drink ( obviously they maybe in the club sober but would be amazed if that was the case as being in that club sober is quite the challenge.)

They have a derby to prepare for which if I was the manager I wouldn’t be too impressed if this is the attitude of my players. Losers mentality and no surprise really with a load of guys leaving the club in summer or on loan.

You would think Sunday they would do a recovery day at east mains after playing and sitting on a bus.

Folk can give examples of Keane / Brown / Best etc but completely different to a bunch of guys who aren’t very good going out and then trying to perform.

[MWHIBBIES]

Its not about having a social life, of course players are allowed one. Its about having some self-respect. Players like Scott Brown and Roy Keane loved a bevy. Do you think they'd be out getting scooped after yet another embarrassing loss when sitting bottom of the ****ing league?

Wasn't brown getting pished in Dubai with Lennon during the COVID season winter break? When Celtic were miles behind?

And Keane abandoned his team at a world cup, and had very unprofessional ends to both his time at Forest and Man United.

[Bridge hibs]

Keane talks about it all the time on The Overlap. How losing a game affected him. No chance he's out drinking in town after it.

If Newell is out drinking after being sent off and massively contributing to the loss on Saturday then he's even less of a captain than I thought.

Was Newell drinking ? You dont know that do you ? Was anyone drinking or anyone actually drunk ? Again something posted on a fans site is taken for gospel.

[Bridge hibs]

Roy Keane didnt drink after a defeat, of course not.

Roy Keane admits he had an 'absolutely disgraceful' drinking habit during his golden years at Man Utd
&‹ "People used to say I was a good pro..
Some of my stuff was absolutely disgraceful.
"Definitely on Saturday. Definitely on Sunday.
Many times l'd go Saturday after the game, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday. Pints or whatever it was I was drinking at the time. I'd draw the line on Wednesday, to be fair.
"The reason you got away with it was because a lot of the players in the other teams were doing the same. As long as they could all drink 10 pints they were all at the same fitness level."

[JohnM1875]

Roy Keane didnt drink after a defeat, of course not.

Roy Keane admits he had an 'absolutely disgraceful' drinking habit during his golden years at Man Utd
&‹ "People used to say I was a good pro..
Some of my stuff was absolutely disgraceful.
"Definitely on Saturday. Definitely on Sunday.
Many times l'd go Saturday after the game, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday. Pints or whatever it was I was drinking at the time. I'd draw the line on Wednesday, to be fair.
"The reason you got away with it was because a lot of the players in the other teams were doing the same. As long as they could all drink 10 pints they were all at the same fitness level."

Which is why I said he loved a bevvy. He talks about it all the time. Wouldnt be out after getting beat though. Fair enough they didn't lose a lot then

[easty]

If Hibs players weren’t allowed to go out on nights we didn’t win games then they’d barely ever be allowed out!

I’d assume they didn’t have training on Sunday, so what’s the problem?

Was there any incidents? Anyone get in trouble?

[SickBoy32]

Roy Keane didnt drink after a defeat, of course not.

Roy Keane admits he had an 'absolutely disgraceful' drinking habit during his golden years at Man Utd
&‹ "People used to say I was a good pro..
Some of my stuff was absolutely disgraceful.
"Definitely on Saturday. Definitely on Sunday.
Many times l'd go Saturday after the game, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday. Pints or whatever it was I was drinking at the time. I'd draw the line on Wednesday, to be fair.
"The reason you got away with it was because a lot of the players in the other teams were doing the same. As long as they could all drink 10 pints they were all at the same fitness level."

No sure how Roy Keane is even remotely comparable to a perennial loser like Joe Newell.

No excuse whatsoever for them being out after that capitulation on Saturday.

Hope any hibbys that were in Shanghai made that clear too!

[SickBoy32]

If Hibs players weren’t allowed to go out on nights we didn’t win games then they’d barely ever be allowed out!

I’d assume they didn’t have training on Sunday, so what’s the problem?

Was there any incidents? Anyone get in trouble?

You think they’ll be feeling 100 percent for training today? Of course not.

Sub optimal preparation for low quality players, doesn’t exactly maximise our chances of success?!

****ing losers.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I’d actually wondered the other day if players still went out like they used to. When I was in my late teens/early 20s about 15 years ago there wouldn’t be a weekend go by that you wouldn’t see Hibs players up the town. Funnily enough, it was always Hibs players. Rarely seen Hearts players.

I’ve not been in a nightclub for nearly a decade but I feel like it’s all went quiet on that front. I’ve no issue with the players going out once in a blue moon. As long as it’s not an every weekend thing.

[Bridge hibs]

Which is why I said he loved a bevvy. He talks about it all the time. Wouldnt be out after getting beat though. Fair enough they didn't lose a lot then

He said it himself that he would drink on a Saturday and a Sunday and more, Im sure there were some defeats in amongst the wins too.

What about Scott Brown, your other example of exemplary behaviour ?

pictured slumped in the street after an alleged drunken night out in Edinburgh on Wednesday evening.


The midfielder is due to lead Celtic out at Hampden Park on Sunday, as they look to land the first domestic silverware of the season in the League Cup final against Dundee United.


Brown had allegedly spent the night in the city's lap dancing bars, before being pictured tucking into a pizza, while sitting in the street.


Celtic boss Ronny Deila had instructed his players to be '24-hour athletes', so will be unimpressed by his skipper's antics.

Brown was also reported to have had an argument with some scantily-clad dancers in a bar, which a barman had to diffuse.

[Bridge hibs]

No sure how Roy Keane is even remotely comparable to a perennial loser like Joe Newell.

No excuse whatsoever for them being out after that capitulation on Saturday.

Hope any hibbys that were in Shanghai made that clear too!

I never brought up Roy Keane, the other poster did

[Bridge hibs]

You think they’ll be feeling 100 percent for training today? Of course not.

Sub optimal preparation for low quality players, doesn’t exactly maximise our chances of success?!

****ing losers.Were they all drinking alcohol or soft drinks ?

[easty]

No sure how Roy Keane is even remotely comparable to a perennial loser like Joe Newell.

No excuse whatsoever for them being out after that capitulation on Saturday.

Hope any hibbys that were in Shanghai made that clear too!

No excuse whatsoever? Why?

What should they be allowed to do after getting beat, in your opinion?

Cinema? But not a comedy obviously cos they shouldn’t be laughing after we get beat.

Out for a meal? Are they allowed wine? Are they allowed steak, or should they be forced to have the veggie option mushroom risotto as punishment for the game?

[easty]

You think they’ll be feeling 100 percent for training today? Of course not.

Sub optimal preparation for low quality players, doesn’t exactly maximise our chances of success?!

****ing losers.

I think they could quite easily be feeling 100% today aye.

[JohnM1875]

No excuse whatsoever? Why?

What should they be allowed to do after getting beat, in your opinion?

Cinema? But not a comedy obviously cos they shouldn’t be laughing after we get beat.

Out for a meal? Are they allowed wine? Are they allowed steak, or should they be forced to have the veggie option mushroom risotto as punishment for the game?

I'm all for players going out. Said as much on here before. But not when we're bottom of the league. Things like nights out should be put on the back burner until results improve. All in my opinion obviously.

[Chorley Hibee]

There's a time and a place for going out as a squad and getting pished until all hours.

Sitting bottom of the league, a week before playing Hearts, and your 'captain' having got himself sent off, probably isn't that time.

You'd like to think the captain himself would realise that, and how unprofessional it might look, but most of us now realise there are absolutely zero standards at Easter Road.

Antics like this probably play a part in why so many of us are questioning their fitness levels right now too.

[easty]

There's a time and a place for going out as a squad and getting pished until all hours.

Sitting bottom of the league, a week before playing Hearts, and your 'captain' having got himself sent off, probably isn't that time.

You'd like to think the captain himself would realise that, and how unprofessional it might look, but most of us now realise there are absolutely zero standards at Easter Road.

Antics like this probably play a part in why so many of us are questioning their fitness levels right now too.

Were they getting pished at all ours?

Would you be happier for them to be out had we not conceded the 2 late goals? Would that have been ok?

If they’re out all the time getting bevvied every weekend and through the week too, then I’d no be happy. This is the first thread I’ve seen in a while (cannae mind the last one) where it’s about players being out, but we’ve been **** for ages. If we lose the derby it’s cos we’re crap, not because players were out maybe drinking, maybe not, until unspecified time, a week earlier.

[green day]

Again, I’m not sure when you play football you care about fans, and even at a stretch care for the club.

But footballers should care about personal pride and winning, and with our lot just now it seems non existent.


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The last time I remember this being in place was under Neil Lennon.

Just for clarity, I am not advocating a return of Lennon, but its demonstrable that a strong manager can instill a strong winning mentality in - otherwise - ordinary players.

[Chorley Hibee]

Were they getting pished at all ours?

Would you be happier for them to be out had we not conceded the 2 late goals? Would that have been ok?

If they’re out all the time getting bevvied every weekend and through the week too, then I’d no be happy. This is the first thread I’ve seen in a while (cannae mind the last one) where it’s about players being out, but we’ve been **** for ages. If we lose the derby it’s cos we’re crap, not because players were out maybe drinking, maybe not, until unspecified time, a week earlier.

Football at the top level is defined by fine margins, and we frequently talk about how we're often on the wrong side of those fine margins.

Do you think behaviour like this could be contributing to those fine margins?

As for them not getting pished, of course, they were all consuming Latte's and Protein drinks the whole night.

Also, surely you'd agree that the 'optics' are bad, and that, collectively, the players involved could see that there might be a better time to arrange this night out?

It's unprofessional and it shows the players involved have little thought for the club, the supporters or their own professional standards.

One of the many reasons we're sat bottom of the league right now.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Football at the top level is defined by fine margins, and we frequently talk about how we're often on the wrong side of those fine margins.

Do you think behaviour like this could be contributing to those fine margins?

As for them not getting pished, of course, they were all consuming Latte's and Protein drinks the whole night.

Also, surely you'd agree that the 'optics' are bad, and that, collectively, the players involved could see that there might be a better time to arrange this night out?

It's unprofessional and it shows the players involved have little thought for the club, the supporters or their own professional standards.

One of the many reasons we're sat bottom of the league right now.

100% spot on.

[GreenCastle]

Football at the top level is defined by fine margins, and we frequently talk about how we're often on the wrong side of those fine margins.

Do you think behaviour like this could be contributing to those fine margins?

As for them not getting pished, of course, they were all consuming Latte's and Protein drinks the whole night.

Also, surely you'd agree that the 'optics' are bad, and that, collectively, the players involved could see that there might be a better time to arrange this night out?

It's unprofessional and it shows the players involved have little thought for the club, the supporters or their own professional standards.

One of the many reasons we're sat bottom of the league right now.

Good post - if Newell was a bit quicker he makes a better tackle and doesn’t get a yellow card.

If Miller was quicker he doesn’t get skinned by Middleton.

Fine margins but in the world of football that’s why certain players have longer / better careers and many don’t push on.

I just think it’s amateur and surely at start of season Gray and go talked about standards and behaviours expected - it’s not rocket science.

[easty]

Football at the top level is defined by fine margins, and we frequently talk about how we're often on the wrong side of those fine margins.

Do you think behaviour like this could be contributing to those fine margins?

As for them not getting pished, of course, they were all consuming Latte's and Protein drinks the whole night.

Also, surely you'd agree that the 'optics' are bad, and that, collectively, the players involved could see that there might be a better time to arrange this night out?

It's unprofessional and it shows the players involved have little thought for the club, the supporters or their own professional standards.

One of the many reasons we're sat bottom of the league right now.

We don’t play at the top level, however, the fine margins on Saturday were caused by Bursik. Is he out drinking all the time? It’d explain his attempt at goalkeeping I suppose.

On your lattes and protein drinks point - there’s a huge gulf between having a few drink and getting pished. I’ve had plenty drinks in the last couple of weeks, but I’ve never been pished since August.

What’s unprofessional about them being out on Saturday? Maybe you know more about it than I do. I’m no going to defend players out getting pished regularly, but I’m also not going to pile on and be raging when all I’ve heard is they were out on Saturday.

[Murphys Touch]

Just had an international break to have team bonding and go out.


Unless the coaching staff have said “go and sort yourself out tonight” then I think I would be doing all I can to get an advantage on Hearts next week.

These guys are athletes and sure a hangover doesn’t impact their working week like it does mine but if my job and livelihood relied on it then it’s poor.

[whereswallace?]

I listen to lots of podcasts football related and have heard from so many players who say that when times are bad, a good old fashioned team night out can bring them together.

I have no issue with players going out, granted it comes under a lot of scrutiny when we are losing in the manner we are but they are human and have lives outwith football. Id be concerned if it was a day or two before a game but if they’ve been given a day off after a match then that’s up to them.

[easty]

Good post - if Newell was a bit quicker he makes a better tackle and doesn’t get a yellow card.

If Miller was quicker he doesn’t get skinned by Middleton.

Fine margins but in the world of football that’s why certain players have longer / better careers and many don’t push on.

I just think it’s amateur and surely at start of season Gray and go talked about standards and behaviours expected - it’s not rocket science.

Are you suggesting that the reason Newell and Miller aren’t quick enough is because they go out on a Saturday night?

I assume the Dundee Utd players are more professional?

[Springbank]

This Easty character seems like a proper low-rent guy

I'd like to ask him/her one question

"In any organisation, and in any walk of life, do you think Standards matter?"

And as follow ups
How do you set standards as a professional elite sports organisation?
Does the captain have a role to play in the setting of Standards, and living those Standards?
Why do elite sports teams have captains?

And given all the above, are you absolutely delighted that Joe Newell was out showing face after his trademark (never learns) stupid early yellow for lunging in, followed by his amateur-level bad touch in minute 85 leading to a crazy decision to get a second yellow, and costing us the game?

Personally, I would not have been uptown after that.
You sound like you want to shake his hand and pay for his Uber home. That's not the Standard, mate. It really really isn't. Time to waken up to that fact

[easty]

This Easty character seems like a proper low-rent guy

I'd like to ask him/her one question

"In any organisation, and in any walk of life, do you think Standards matter?"

And as follow ups
How do you set standards as a professional elite sports organisation?
Does the captain have a role to play in the setting of Standards, and living those Standards?
Why do elite sports teams have captains?

And given all the above, are you absolutely delighted that Joe Newell was out showing face after his trademark (never learns) stupid early yellow for lunging in, followed by his amateur-level bad touch in minute 85 leading to a crazy decision to get a second yellow, and costing us the game?

Personally, I would not have been uptown after that.
You sound like you want to shake his hand and pay for his Uber home. That's not the Standard, mate. It really really isn't. Time to waken up to that fact

A proper low rent guy 😂😂😂

What an absolute drama queen post.

[Bridge hibs]

This Easty character seems like a proper low-rent guy

I'd like to ask him/her one question

"In any organisation, and in any walk of life, do you think Standards matter?"

And as follow ups
How do you set standards as a professional elite sports organisation?
Does the captain have a role to play in the setting of Standards, and living those Standards?
Why do elite sports teams have captains?

And given all the above, are you absolutely delighted that Joe Newell was out showing face after his trademark (never learns) stupid early yellow for lunging in, followed by his amateur-level bad touch in minute 85 leading to a crazy decision to get a second yellow, and costing us the game?

Personally, I would not have been uptown after that.
You sound like you want to shake his hand and pay for his Uber home. That's not the Standard, mate. It really really isn't. Time to waken up to that factJoe Newell “out showing his face” he was sent off in a ****ing football match, he didnt commit mass murder ffs 🤣

[SickBoy32]

This Easty character seems like a proper low-rent guy

I'd like to ask him/her one question

"In any organisation, and in any walk of life, do you think Standards matter?"

And as follow ups
How do you set standards as a professional elite sports organisation?
Does the captain have a role to play in the setting of Standards, and living those Standards?
Why do elite sports teams have captains?

And given all the above, are you absolutely delighted that Joe Newell was out showing face after his trademark (never learns) stupid early yellow for lunging in, followed by his amateur-level bad touch in minute 85 leading to a crazy decision to get a second yellow, and costing us the game?

Personally, I would not have been uptown after that.
You sound like you want to shake his hand and pay for his Uber home. That's not the Standard, mate. It really really isn't. Time to waken up to that fact

Spot on.

Listened to Stevenson recently on a podcast, he said he didn’t want to leave the house after defeats, particularly when he felt culpable through his own performance.

That is a man that understands what representing this club means, a proper professional.

Compare and contrast with the clowns we now have representing us. Out until 9am after a calamitous defeat (heavily influenced by our captain) that sent us to the bottom of the league.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Springbank once pulled out of attending their brothers wedding after they made an error whilst inputting data on a spreadsheet the day before. Couldn’t show their face. Fact. :agree:

[Paulie Walnuts]

Spot on.

Listened to Stevenson recently on a podcast, he said he didn’t want to leave the house after defeats, particularly when he felt culpable through his own performance.

That is a man that understands what representing this club means, a proper professional.

Compare and contrast with the clowns we now have representing us. Out until 9am after a calamitous defeat (heavily influenced by our captain) that sent us to the bottom of the league.

And yet I saw numerous pictures last season of Lewis Stevenson out his house after defeats in recent seasons.

[blackpoolhibs]

There is a time and a place for everything, but it seems there is a lack of awareness of this at the club.

[easty]

Out until 9am after a calamitous defeat (heavily influenced by our captain) that sent us to the bottom of the league.

Is this now the official line?

We’re no sure who, if anyone, was out til 9am, but Joe Newell encouraged it?

[SickBoy32]

Is this now the official line?

We’re no sure who, if anyone, was out til 9am, but Joe Newell encouraged it?

Aye if you want. He probably drove them all home 👍🍻

[Nicho87]

No way hibs team done an all nighter imo

They can’t even stay close together for 99 minutes.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

No way hibs team done an all nighter imo

They can’t even stay close together for 99 minutes.

😂😂

[Callum_62]

Is this now the official line?

We’re no sure who, if anyone, was out til 9am, but Joe Newell encouraged it?Wasn't it the defeat that he heavily influenced?

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[erin go bragh]

How do you know Keane and Brown didnt go out for a bevvy after a defeat, neither were whiter than white. Always the same on here though, outrage after a poster sticks something up on a fans web site.

Im more outraged about the sickening defeat on Saturday.

Having a bevvy isn't a problem but if true players were at afters till 9am as thats not bevvy that keeps you going till that time 🤬

[flash]

Wasn't it the defeat that he heavily influenced?

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He played like he was heavily under the influence.

I'll get my coat.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Having a bevvy isn't a problem but if true players were at afters till 9am as thats not bevvy that keeps you going till that time 🤬

Nobody is staying up until 9am the next day without a few Colombian caterpillars for company.

[overdrive]

Nobody is staying up until 9am the next day without a few Colombian caterpillars for company.

I've done it plenty without "Colombian caterpillars" or any other substance other than booze. Not saying it was good for me.

[Bridge hibs]

Having a bevvy isn't a problem but if true players were at afters till 9am as thats not bevvy that keeps you going till that time 🤬

****ing lightweights, I could go days partying in my youth without columbian marching powder or other synthetic ****, Gray needs to sort this fitness crap out and get them into shape, a sesh then a few hours on murder hill should do it.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

I've done it plenty without "Colombian caterpillars" or any other substance other than booze. Not saying it was good for me.

You’re a better man than me. I’d have been in bed by 9pm back in the day otherwise 😂😂

[Hibernian Verse]

And yet I saw numerous pictures last season of Lewis Stevenson out his house after defeats in recent seasons.

I saw him at Rice Delight in Dunfermline after we'd lost a derby. Poor man just wanted a takeaway after a sore defeat.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I saw him at Rice Delight in Dunfermline after we'd lost a derby. Poor man just wanted a takeaway after a sore defeat.

Shameful. Athlete my arse, he thinks he can perform with MSG in his system?

[Hibernian Verse]

Shameful. Athlete my arse, he thinks he can perform with MSG in his system?

I should've said that to him like most of Hibs.net would have when confronted with a footballer out of his natural habitat of the legal boundaries of his home.

[Sioux]

Going out on Saturday night had F All to do with the result a few hours earlier.

The outrage seems based that we're playing hertz next Sunday - 8 days away. But Hibs fans are not obsessed with hertz?

Anywhere in the world there are young guys and gals out for drinks on the weekend, but somehow sports people can't do it after a losing performance, but if they'd won, that's ok, they're entitled to 'celebrate'. I'll bet no one on here has been been confined to the house for 10 months of the year. God knows what kind of mental state that could have on them.

There's no rational argument for hiding in the house because you lost a game of football. The result next Sunday will depend on whether Hibs play better, or deal with the game better than hertz, and that will have nothing to with what happened, or did not happen, on Saturday night.

Too many pretending they lead the good life, yet the amount of moaning on here about kick off times is due to there not being enough time for a bevvy. Hypocrisy or what!

[NorthNorfolkHFC]

I just don’t think all players who sign for us care about the club or the fans. They come to play football.

Obviously a few develop an affinity with us as a club or have come through the ranks as boyhood supporters but those are few and far between.

We seem to sign players who feel like they’ve made it at hibs so subconsciously ’down tools’.


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[flash]

I just don’t think all players who sign for us care about the club or the fans. They come to play football.

Obviously a few develop an affinity with us as a club or have come through the ranks as boyhood supporters but those are few and far between.

We seem to sign players who feel like they’ve made it at hibs so subconsciously ’down tools’.


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That will be the case at every club on the planet.

[.Sean.]

I kept hearing over the summer how Gray would be demanding nothing but standards and professionalism. How does being out all night at Shanghai and getting on it til 9 in the morning when you’ve just been beat again and you’re bottom of the league the week before a derby tie in with that 😂😂😂😂😂

Absolute *****. I ****ing hate some of this shower of spineless no hopers we’ve got the now as much as the gang that got us relegated last time

[hibee-boys]

No doubt a pre-planned night out, perhaps encouraged to build some team bonding with a few new players having arrived and a number being away on international duty during previous breaks of games. There’s plenty I’m happy to criticise the club/team/coaching staff about but this isn’t one.

Opens up the age old debate around the professionalism of your typical SPL player but that’s been done to death. That argument aside, don’t see the problem here.

[Donegal Hibby]

Where is this story coming from about Hibs players out partying till 9 am? .

[Paulie Walnuts]

I kept hearing over the summer how Gray would be demanding nothing but standards and professionalism. How does being out all night at Shanghai and getting on it til 9 in the morning when you’ve just been beat again and you’re bottom of the league the week before a derby tie in with that 😂😂😂😂😂

Absolute *****. I ****ing hate some of this shower of spineless no hopers we’ve got the now as much as the gang that got us relegated last time

I don’t really care about the night out situation but I agree with your last paragraph. There’s almost nothing to like about the club at this time. I genuinely felt more attached to the club around relegation than I do now.

[Bridge hibs]

I kept hearing over the summer how Gray would be demanding nothing but standards and professionalism. How does being out all night at Shanghai and getting on it til 9 in the morning when you’ve just been beat again and you’re bottom of the league the week before a derby tie in with that 😂😂😂😂😂

Absolute *****. I ****ing hate some of this shower of spineless no hopers we’ve got the now as much as the gang that got us relegated last time

I heard Newell was seen smiling as he left the house party at 0905. Punishment for getting sent off and smiling he should be strung up, hung from the neck, disemboweled and his entrails fed to jambos. His limbs posted to Birmingham and his head posted to East Mains.

That'll teach him.

[Brightside]

I think he is ok and a decent enough young player but he hardly set the heather alight. take for example Miller Thomson that played for tehm yesterday.

But for Hibs, we need better. He ws out AMC yesterday and never turned and ran at folk, beat a man or got a shot off.

He's probably the best player we have right. Which says plenty. One of the few who is constantly looking to get on the ball. Makes plenty mistakes but in most occasions works hard to win it back again. If only some of the senior players had the same desire and work rate.

[hibee-boys]

Where is this story coming from about Hibs players out partying till 9 am? .

A poster, who may be ITK, suggested such earlier in the thread…..could be a hearts fan for all we know. However, without the facts no doubt this will grow arms/legs by the hour and what was probably a few heading back to a fellow players gaff for drinks or just bunking down to save trying to travel home mid morning will no doubt evolve into an all night rave by the end of today🙈

[Unseen work]

He's probably the best player we have right. Which says plenty. One of the few who is constantly looking to get on the ball. Makes plenty mistakes but in most occasions works hard to win it back again. If only some of the senior players had the same desire and work rate.

Can’t see the original post, but Rudi never turned and ran at people or got shots off? Think he had 3 or 4 shots in the game

How many times did Rudi get the ball played into his feet?

The amount of times Ekpiteta had the ball and rudi was in loads of space was incredible, instead of the early ball into his feet he drove towards the half way line, made everything tighter and then played it to Miller who had a winger right up against him.

If there’s one thing Rudi does imo, it’s run at players. His decision making can be off or he might over run it, but his energy and willingness to try make something happen is admirable for an 18 year old and something I wish others would take from him.

There was a point first half the ball was played to him for us to counter, he had about 3 men around him - he killed it dead, turned the 3 inside out and played it for a team mate. Next thing I knew the back 4 were passing it between the.

I think if we’re being serious we need a first team ready number 10, but to say that about Rudi is just nonsense imo.

[Brightside]

Can’t see the original post, but Rudi never turned and ran at people or got shots off? Think he had 3 or 4 shots in the game

How many times did Rudi get the ball played into his feet?

The amount of times Ekpiteta had the ball and rudi was in loads of space was incredible, instead of the early ball into his feet he drove towards the half way line, made everything tighter and then played it to Miller who had a winger right up against him.

If there’s would thing Rudi does imo, it’s run at players. His decision making can be off or he might over run it, but his energy and willingness to try make something happen is admirable for an 18 year old and something I wish others would take from him.

There was a point first half the ball was played to him for us to counter, he had about 3 men around him - he killed it dead, turned the 3 inside out and played it for a team mate. Next thing I knew the back 4 were passing it between the.

I think if we’re being serious we need a first team ready number 10, but to say that about Rudi is just nonsense imo.

Totally agree. He is way down the list of issues at our club right now. Fully expect him to be away to Italy before he is 21.

[NorthNorfolkHFC]

I’m not sure Rudi is ready, and is far from our best player.

Our best player, by a long way, is Hoilett. He very rarely loses the ball, creates chances and scores goals. When he has the ball, I’m never worried. Which I can’t say about pretty much all of our other players.

Rudi over ran the ball countless times on Saturday and lost possession a lot. We sometimes celebrated him because he won it back but it was him that lost it in the first place. He’s young though and will develop but at the moment doesn’t offer anything to the team: creating or scoring goals.

This is not about Rudi who is an ok young player. Compare him to United’s 10 on Saturday, I think he’s from N Macedonia. He wasn’t brilliant but did the job that we require so badly. I’ve no idea why we have not recruited that type of player and are shoe horning an eighteen year old in there.


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[GreenCastle]

I’m not sure Rudi is ready, and is far from our best player.

Our best player, by a long way, is Hoilett. He very rarely loses the ball, creates chances and scores goals. When he has the ball, I’m never worried. Which I can’t say about pretty much all of our other players.

Rudi over ran the ball countless times on Saturday and lost possession a lot. We sometimes celebrated him because he won it back but it was him that lost it in the first place. He’s young though and will develop but at the moment doesn’t offer anything to the team: creating or scoring goals.

This is not about Rudi who is an ok young player. Compare him to United’s 10 on Saturday, I think he’s from N Macedonia. He wasn’t brilliant but did the job that we require so badly. I’ve no idea why we have not recruited that type of player and are shoe horning an eighteen year old in there.


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I know Hoilett can play 10 but I would rather he played on the left. That’s where he’s played well for Aberdeen and Hibs this season and I think playing him centrally gives him less space to affect the game.

Rudi was one of our best players pre-season BUT where did he play? He was playing out wide. To then move him centrally wasn’t the worst ever idea but he’s had less impact.

Compare him to previous Hibs 10s..Allan, Latapy he’s miles away from those levels.

Been a while since we had a proper playmaker - it’s like we struggle to sign CDMs and playmakers but sign these similar midfielders who don’t complement each other and wonder why we struggle with goals and assists.

[superfurryhibby]

He's probably the best player we have right. Which says plenty. One of the few who is constantly looking to get on the ball. Makes plenty mistakes but in most occasions works hard to win it back again. If only some of the senior players had the same desire and work rate.

Sorry, but Rudi isn't even looking ready to play in the first team yet and he is not close to being the best player we have right now. He may turn out to be a very good player in coming years, but he's not there yet.

[JimBHibees]

The mad thing about the last three losses is that we've been decent in the game for large parts of it - against Motherwell, their manager said we were the better team, Goodwin alluded to that again yesterday, and yet we've contrived to lose the games.

It's a horrendous habit to be in, and one that will get us relegated unless we address it.

We're not getting battered in games, we're rarely looking like the game is out of our reach, yet there will be very few folk on here that thought, when the ref brought out that red card yesterday, we would hold on to win the game. If it stayed 11 v 11, I genuinely think we go on to win the game, same with Motherwell the match before.

But the reality is that we did get the men sent off, and we did bottle it in both games. You're looking at awful lapses in concentration and woeful decision making from players that are handing points to the opposition.

There is absolutely no point in being the better team for 70-80 minutes in a game if you're going to capitulate in the last 15 minutes and lose the match.

We could easily have been talking about a win where we've come from behind at a tough venue yesterday, instead we're looking at whose head should be on the chopping block for another shambolic defeat.

Very good post agree. Calamitous mistakes have cost us rather than horrific performances.Happens every week.

[SHODAN]

Football players shouldn't drink during the season, and ideally not at all during their playing career.

If there's one thing that carries a cast-iron guarantee to damage your physical fitness it's drink.

[hibee-boys]

Sorry, but Rudi isn't even looking ready to play in the first team yet and he is not close to being the best player we have right now. He may turn out to be a very good player in coming years, but he's not there yet.

Yip. SDG’s reliance on playing Cadden, Campbell and Rudi in those forward areas has been a major contributing factor to where we find ourselves. Cadden/Campbell just don’t have the skills to be effective in those areas, Rudi has the skill but needs more time to develop. I thought he’d have been better loaned out to a championship team this season.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Sorry, but Rudi isn't even looking ready to play in the first team yet and he is not close to being the best player we have right now. He may turn out to be a very good player in coming years, but he's not there yet.

Yeah. The idea that Molotnikov is our best player is just a bit silly.

[Donegal Hibby]

One of the main issues I’ve had with the Hibs team going back for the last few years ( it’s not the only one ) is we have fullbacks that can’t defend because IMO they are not proper fullbacks .

How many times are we caught out of position or our fullbacks are skinned by attacking players? The amount of easy crosses teams are able to put into our box is ridiculous .

I watched Wycombe against Peterborough this weekend and I think a ex dons player Jack Grimmer on numerous occasions defended like his life depended on it in blocking crosses / shots .. something I don’t see ours doing… wish we had two proper fullbacks that could defend …

Won’t solve all our issues though would be a start .

[jacomo]

On more than one occasion I heard Craig Brown saying that, in some respects, teams reduced to ten men had an advantage over eleven.


Especially if they are leading at that time. Dig in, make the other team work.

Do our players just lack the basics or do they lose their minds under pressure?

[timewilltell]

We'll probably lose a late winner against Hearts.

[Hiber-nation]

Yeah. The idea that Molotnikov is our best player is just a bit silly.

Rudi has lots of potential but plays with his head down and runs into trouble too much. But his attitude is great which stands out in this Hibs team packed with half-heartedness.

[Pretty Boy]

Football players shouldn't drink during the season, and ideally not at all during their playing career.

If there's one thing that carries a cast-iron guarantee to damage your physical fitness it's drink.

It's increasingly the way the game is going, even in England which had a huge bevvying culture until fairly recently more and more young players are going teetotal either permanently or during the season. There is a much bigger focus on diet as well with a not insignificant number going vegan. I think a lot of guys have looked at the longevity someone like Tom Brady had, albeit in a different sport, and realised it's not just quackery and there is merit in it.

I find it quite bizarre when I see young Scottish players hitting the drink hard. If you have the talent to play at Scottish Premierhsip level at 18-21 then you are one or two moves away from genuinely life changing money and opportunities. Why wouldn't you want to maximise your chance of that in every possible way? If not that then at least maintaining your current status for as long as possible.I watched the documentary about Man Utd's treble win recently and it focused on the rise of the class of 92. Paul Scholes spoke frankly about how he wanted the best of both worlds; to be a footballer but still be one of the boys. Fergie had spies everywhere and had a word with Scholes' dad. They had a frank discussion and he realised he wanted to be a footballer more and cut his mates off; he said he doesn't think he saw any of them again. Sometimes you just need to be a bit of a billy big bollocks and make ruthless decisions. It's a short but potentially lucrative career.

Ultimately players can do as they like outwith the pre match curfews and dry periods but I don't really understand it. I don't think there should be any expectation that players should be locked in the house for the entirety of the season but I'm not buying guys can (allegedly) go out drinking for 12+ hours and then train at their best on a Monday and Tuesday.

[Brightside]

I know Hoilett can play 10 but I would rather he played on the left. That’s where he’s played well for Aberdeen and Hibs this season and I think playing him centrally gives him less space to affect the game.

Rudi was one of our best players pre-season BUT where did he play? He was playing out wide. To then move him centrally wasn’t the worst ever idea but he’s had less impact.

Compare him to previous Hibs 10s..Allan, Latapy he’s miles away from those levels.

Been a while since we had a proper playmaker - it’s like we struggle to sign CDMs and playmakers but sign these similar midfielders who don’t complement each other and wonder why we struggle with goals and assists.

We dont play a 10 in our current set up. Nobody is suggesting he is Latapy or Allan. But under the right leadership im positive he will make Hibs plenty money.

[wookie70]

One of the main issues I’ve had with the Hibs team going back for the last few years ( it’s not the only one ) is we have fullbacks that can’t defend because IMO they are not proper fullbacks .

How many times are we caught out of position or our fullbacks are skinned by attacking players? The amount of easy crosses teams are able to put into our box is ridiculous .

I watched Wycombe against Peterborough this weekend and I think a ex dons player Jack Grimmer on numerous occasions defended like his life depended on it in blocking crosses / shots .. something I don’t see ours doing… wish we had two proper fullbacks that could defend …

Won’t solve all our issues though would be a start .

Totally agree. I was surprised we didn't go for Nicky Devlin. He was solid for Livi and at worst would have been a fairly cheap squad player. I would have thought he was better than anything we have and I think he is proving that with the Dons

[SHODAN]

We'll probably lose a late winner against Hearts.

Look at least we'll be content for most of the game

[JimBHibees]

It's increasingly the way the game is going, even in England which had a huge bevvying culture until fairly recently more and more young players are going teetotal either permanently or during the season. There is a much bigger focus on diet as well with a not insignificant number going vegan. I think a lot of guys have looked at the longevity someone like Tom Brady had, albeit in a different sport, and realised it's not just quackery and there is merit in it.

I find it quite bizarre when I see young Scottish players hitting the drink hard. If you have the talent to play at Scottish Premierhsip level at 18-21 then you are one or two moves away from genuinely life changing money and opportunities. Why wouldn't you want to maximise your chance of that in every possible way? If not that then at least maintaining your current status for as long as possible.I watched the documentary about Man Utd's treble win recently and it focused on the rise of the class of 92. Paul Scholes spoke frankly about how he wanted the best of both worlds; to be a footballer but still be one of the boys. Fergie had spies everywhere and had a word with Scholes' dad. They had a frank discussion and he realised he wanted to be a footballer more and cut his mates off; he said he doesn't think he saw any of them again. Sometimes you just need to be a bit of a billy big bollocks and make ruthless decisions. It's a short but potentially lucrative career.

Ultimately players can do as they like outwith the pre match curfews and dry periods but I don't really understand it. I don't think there should be any expectation that players should be locked in the house for the entirety of the season but I'm not buying guys can (allegedly) go out drinking for 12+ hours and then train at their best on a Monday and Tuesday.

Couldn’t agree more and we wonder why we lose so many late goals