Relegation.

[blackpoolhibs]

Personally i hope we have enough to avoid it, and January will hopefully help us, but i certainly think it is a real possibility with this lot of players and the current owners.

How shambolic would it be to celebrate our 150th in the championship? :rolleyes:

[Heisenberg]

It’s a very real possibility based on everything we’ve seen so far. Even if SDG is punted it’ll still be the same ****ing morons picking the next victim for the job

[Alfred E Newman]

Personally i hope we have enough to avoid it, and January will hopefully help us, but i certainly think it is a real possibility with this lot of players and the current owners.

How shambolic would it be to celebrate our 150th in the championship? :rolleyes:
It would be a very Hibs thing to do.

[bingo70]

It’s definitely a big concern of mine this season. We are utter garbage in every department.

We’ll pick up some points here and there but it won’t be enough to put a consistent run together.

9/1 on Sky bet for us to finish bottom two seems incredibly generous.

[Callum_62]

November 9th is the end of the first round of fixtures

We play

Hearts (h)
Ross County (a)
Dundee utd (h)
St mirren (h)

I have no confidence to get a win in any of them based on how we are defending

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[B.H.F.C]

How very Hibs would it be to go and do this for the 150th anniversary.

I don’t think the squad is good, but I do think a proper manager could get enough out of them to ensure we’re not in as much trouble as ending up relegated.

As it stands, it’s a real possibility though. Utter shambles.

[overdrive]

November 9th is the end of the first round of fixtures

We play

Hearts (h)
Ross County (a)
Dundee utd (h)
St mirren (h)

I have no confidence to get a win in any of them based on how we are defending

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I think we might struggle to even get a point out of those

[sauzee1989]

Every chance right now. Unfortunately in my time of watching hibs I have never seen such a disconnect between the club and fans. The people running the club have lost what the fans believe in. Even the guys that run the media staff can’t even read the room, because they are English and have no connection to fan base. The atmosphere right now is awful aswell as there’s a disconnect between the so called ultras and your normal fan.

[Hibernian Verse]

Every chance right now. Unfortunately in my time of watching hibs I have never seen such a disconnect between the club and fans. The people running the club have lost what the fans believe in. Even the guys that run the media staff can’t even read the room, because they are English and have no connection to fan base. The atmosphere right now is awful aswell as there’s a disconnect between the so called ultras and your normal fan.

It shouldn’t need to take a Scottish Hibs fan to read the room. All they have to do is come on here or the Bounce.

[hibee1875]

Every chance right now. Unfortunately in my time of watching hibs I have never seen such a disconnect between the club and fans. The people running the club have lost what the fans believe in. Even the guys that run the media staff can’t even read the room, because they are English and have no connection to fan base. The atmosphere right now is awful aswell as there’s a disconnect between the so called ultras and your normal fan.


We had an English media guy as part of the Scottish cup winning team

[Northernhibee]

I’ve pretty much accepted its happening. They call it a relegation dogfight for a reason, and we have no fight in us.

[MWHIBBIES]

I’ve pretty much accepted its happening. They call it a relegation dogfight for a reason, and we have no fight in us.

Didn't we have fight to come back from 1-0 down yesterday?

[SickBoy32]

Unfortunately in my time of watching hibs I have never seen such a disconnect between the club and fans. The people running the club have lost what the fans believe in. Even the guys that run the media staff can’t even read the room, because they are English and have no connection to fan base.

Good point. I’ve noticed we have an army of Kensell wannabe’s loitering round the club these days.

Stand out the back of the West pre match and you see them all mincing about in their identikits suits.

The non playing side of the club is extremely bloated, and requires as large a clear out as the first team squad!

This is the consequence when the club (and some fans) become obsessive with Revenue generation. A soulless cash grabbing entity.

[Northernhibee]

Didn't we have fight to come back from 1-0 down yesterday?

Did you leave after ninety minutes by chance?

[He's here!]

We had an English media guy as part of the Scottish cup winning team

As well as an English manager and English players.

We also have plenty of English fans among our support.

It's a nonsense comment.

[SHODAN]

We're getting relegated because we have too many English or middle class staff/fans?

What the actual ****?

[SickBoy32]

As well as an English manager and English players.

We also have plenty of English fans among our support.

It's a nonsense comment.

An english manager with plenty experience of the Scottish game.

Crucially though, the Cup Final side had a solid Scottish spine who understood the club.

We don’t need folk getting hysterical that this is an anti english issue.

[Box 17]

Didn't we have fight to come back from 1-0 down yesterday?

On that basis, our opponents clearly had more fight.

[SickBoy32]

We're getting relegated because we have too many English or middle class staff/fans?

What the actual ****?

We have the lowest % of Scottish players in the league.

We are bottom of the league.

Aberdeen have a core of decent Scottish players and are flying.

All just coincidence I’m sure 👍

[He's here!]

An english manager with plenty experience of the Scottish game.

Crucially though, the Cup Final side had a solid Scottish spine who understood the club.

We don’t need folk getting hysterical that this is an anti english issue.

Nobody gets the club more than our current manager yet the team is garbage.

If people are good at their jobs things go well irrespective of their nationality. The mess our club is in has nothing to do with the fact there are English people employed. Ridiculous stuff.

[Northernhibee]

It’s been thirteen years since a Scottish manager won the Scottish top flight .

[WestStandWillie]

Won’t get relegated but we also won’t get top 6.

It’ll be another fizzled out season with meaningless games.

[Callum_62]

We have the lowest % of Scottish players in the league.

We are bottom of the league.

Aberdeen have a core of decent Scottish players and are flying.

All just coincidence I’m sure [emoji106]Did they not have about the same core of Scottish players last year? Plus a guy they sold up top for 7 million?

And they were pants

It's not about being Scottish it's about being good and being set up well

Unfortunately we don't seem to have either

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[MWHIBBIES]

Did you leave after ninety minutes by chance?

No.

I think we're crap. But it's not lack of fight. It's lack of quality. Our owners lacks quality. Our DOF lacks quality. Our manager lacks quality. Most of our players lack quality.

Liam Craig on course for 2 relegations with Hibs. Liam's got 2.

[Northernhibee]

No.

I think we're crap. But it's not lack of fight. It's lack of quality. Our owners lacks quality. Our DOF lacks quality. Our manager lacks quality. Most of our players lack quality.

Liam Craig on course for 2 relegations with Hibs. Liam's got 2.

If we showed a shred of gumption yesterday we leave with at least a point. Instead we go down to ten and face a bit of adversity and fall apart like a cheap suit.

The reason the “falling apart” song irks us so much is there’s truth to it. Apply a tiny bit of pressure and we’re done.

We’re staring a distant twelfth in the face this season.

[Bridge hibs]

Did they not have about the same core of Scottish players last year? Plus a guy they sold up top for 7 million?

And they were pants

It's not about being Scottish it's about being good and being set up well

Unfortunately we don't seem to have either

Sent from my Pixel 7 Pro using TapatalkThink aberdeen had 4 scottish players in their starting line up yesterday to our 2

[Greenio]

Im not worried about the prospect of relegation. A lot of the points dropped have been due to fixable issues and, to a degree, decisions that have gone against us. Not saying were not at fault in part for our results. But weve been on the cusp of getting that turnaround result and once that happens. I think well climb the ladder pretty quick.

I get the nerves tho

[Callum_62]

Think aberdeen had 4 scottish players in their starting line up yesterday to our 2Yep and they took one off at HT for a "foreigner" who pumped in the first goal

We then brought on 3 - one contributed and 1 sole the jerseys over a shocker of a cameo

It's nothing to do with nationality or "getting it"

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[Heisenberg]

Aberdeen have a goalie that makes saves, we don’t. Makes it worse that it was a goalie we’d have been well aware of. Their defence is solid. In McGrath they’ve got exactly what we are missing in midfield. Nothing to do with Scottish players, just better ones.

[Northernhibee]

Aberdeen have a goalie that makes saves, we don’t. Makes it worse that it was a goalie we’d have been well aware of. Their defence is solid. In McGrath they’ve got exactly what we are missing in midfield. Nothing to do with Scottish players, just better ones.

I don’t know what’s become unfashionable about defenders (and particularly full backs) that can defend, goalkeepers that can make a save, and midfielders who can beat a man.


All seems to come down to the stats thing.

[Stokesy's on fire]

Aberdeen have a goalie that makes saves, we don’t. Makes it worse that it was a goalie we’d have been well aware of. Their defence is solid. In McGrath they’ve got exactly what we are missing in midfield. Nothing to do with Scottish players, just better ones.

Might be an idea to make a bid for McGrath in January.

[MWHIBBIES]

Might be an idea to make a bid for McGrath in January.

:faf:

[McGruber]

Personally i hope we have enough to avoid it, and January will hopefully help us, but i certainly think it is a real possibility with this lot of players and the current owners.

How shambolic would it be to celebrate our 150th in the championship? :rolleyes:

Agree it's a possibility. Not sure though if January will help us given the new set up has presided over the summer recruitment failings

[Broxburn Greens]

Im not worried about the prospect of relegation. A lot of the points dropped have been due to fixable issues and, to a degree, decisions that have gone against us. Not saying were not at fault in part for our results. But weve been on the cusp of getting that turnaround result and once that happens. I think well climb the ladder pretty quick.

I get the nerves tho

I admire your optimism.

[greenpaper55]

Just forced myself to watch the highlights, its clear that we have massive problems defending on the right hand side which is verging on the laughable and until we sort the right back position out we will struggle all season, Miller and Cadden are just not up to it. Thought we were a bit unlucky as the last two goals were like pinball but they got the breaks .

[SHODAN]

We have the lowest % of Scottish players in the league.

We are bottom of the league.

Aberdeen have a core of decent Scottish players and are flying.

All just coincidence I’m sure 👍

All right, let's do the stats.

% of Scottish players in squad, 3rd place in Scottish Premiership vs 12th, last five seasons:
23-24: Hearts (15/31, 48%) vs Livingston (13/31, 42%)
22-23: Aberdeen (8/32, 25%) vs Dundee Utd (19/35, 54%)
21-22: Hearts (14/30, 47%) vs Dundee (21/34, 62%)
20-21: Hibs (18/29, 62%) vs Hamilton (22/35, 63%)
19-20: Motherwell (11/27, 41%) vs Hearts (14/36, 39%)

Turns out most of the time your squad doesn't even need to be majority Scottish to finish 3rd, and squads that were majority Scottish were relegated three times out of five. The Aberdeen team that finished 3rd in 2023 had one in four!

I'm only 50% Scottish by grandparents though so maybe you think I don't get it. :dunno:

[Stokesy's on fire]

:faf:

Why laugh? We should be aiming to improve the team and it's time mediocrity wasn't accepted.

[Crab apple]

Personally i hope we have enough to avoid it, and January will hopefully help us, but i certainly think it is a real possibility with this lot of players and the current owners.

How shambolic would it be to celebrate our 150th in the championship? :rolleyes:

It's a dreadful situation to be in. Last year it was pretty obvious early on that Livi were doomed. Now that SJ have changed manager I just don't see anybody that will be cast adrift. Unless we are this season's Livi!

[SickBoy32]

All right, let's do the stats.

% of Scottish players in squad, 3rd place in Scottish Premiership vs 12th, last five seasons:
23-24: Hearts (15/31, 48%) vs Livingston (13/31, 42%)
22-23: Aberdeen (8/32, 25%) vs Dundee Utd (19/35, 54%)
21-22: Hearts (14/30, 47%) vs Dundee (21/34, 62%)
20-21: Hibs (18/29, 62%) vs Hamilton (22/35, 63%)
19-20: Motherwell (11/27, 41%) vs Hearts (14/36, 39%)

Turns out most of the time your squad doesn't even need to be majority Scottish to finish 3rd, and squads that were majority Scottish were relegated three times out of five. The Aberdeen team that finished 3rd in 2023 had one in four!

I'm only 50% Scottish by grandparents though so maybe you think I don't get it. :dunno:

No sure the demographics of low budget sides such as Livi, Hamilton and Dundee really tells us all that much tbh.

What we do know, for a fact - is that there is rarely a good Hibs side that doesn’t have a strong Scottish core.

McLeish era aside, I don’t think it has ever existed to be quite honest. So unless we plan on signing Champions League winners and talents like Latapy, I think we need an alternative approach.

Our recruitment, and quest for successful player trading has led to us bringing in a host of duds from Liberia to Australia to Norway. Let’s get back to bringing in the best Scottish talent we can afford, it’ll work out far better for us 👍

[1875M]

Why laugh? We should be aiming to improve the team and it's time mediocrity wasn't accepted.

Why would he move from Aberdeen to us? A team flying, joint top, with what looks like a very good young manger to us, an absolute basket case of a club, a joke of a manger and who are in a very serious relegation battle?

[B.H.F.C]

No sure the demographics of low budget sides such as Livi, Hamilton and Dundee really tells us all that much tbh.

What we do know, for a fact - is that there is rarely a good Hibs side that doesn’t have a strong Scottish core.

McLeish era aside, I don’t think it has ever existed to be quite honest. So unless we plan on signing Champions League winners and talents like Latapy, I think we need an alternative approach.

Our recruitment, and quest for successful player trading has led to us bringing in a host of duds from Liberia to Australia to Norway. Let’s get back to bringing in the best Scottish talent we can afford, it’ll work out far better for us 👍

Even the McLeish team had a Scottish influence in it with Smith and O’Neil both a key part of it. Beyond that you had folk like Fenwick and Mixu who had hundreds of games between them in Scotland before they came to us (even if they weren’t Scottish). That’s right down the spine of the team. You obviously had the magic of Sauzee and Latapy but you had players around them to do the other side of things.

Now, we don’t have the magic and we don’t have the folk to do the other side of things. No a good combination.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

Might be an idea to make a bid for McGrath in January.

We had the opportunity to sign him before but blew that one not just once but twice, just typical of Hibs disastrous approach to transfers over the past few seasons.

[Alfred E Newman]

It nothing to do with nationality, it's quality, ability and commitment that counts.Also we have far too many loan players, some who never even play.
We've been down this road before and its a recipe for disaster.

[MWHIBBIES]

Why laugh? We should be aiming to improve the team and it's time mediocrity wasn't accepted.

Why the **** would he leave Aberdeen for Hibs?

Bidding for him would be humiliating.

[Musselbound]

With our apparent inability to see out games for 3 points I think we could well end up in a relegation scrap. Probably with Ross County and St Johnstone. Although Saints might improve with new management.

[He's here!]

No sure the demographics of low budget sides such as Livi, Hamilton and Dundee really tells us all that much tbh.

What we do know, for a fact - is that there is rarely a good Hibs side that doesn’t have a strong Scottish core.

McLeish era aside, I don’t think it has ever existed to be quite honest. So unless we plan on signing Champions League winners and talents like Latapy, I think we need an alternative approach.

Our recruitment, and quest for successful player trading has led to us bringing in a host of duds from Liberia to Australia to Norway. Let’s get back to bringing in the best Scottish talent we can afford, it’ll work out far better for us 👍

What I would question is the point of the youth system at Hibs, or indeed at most Scottish clubs, where the percentage of players who actually get first team game time, let alone make a significant contribution, is tiny. That's surely where a club's identity can be best built, but since the Riordan/Brown etc generation there's been precious little sign that the system is working. Instead we have an endless conveyor belt of uninspiring here today gone tomorrow signings.

Even back in the dark days of the 80s the club brought through Collins, Weir, Hunter and Milne, followed by the likes of Willie Miller and even in the big money McLeish days we saw Kenny Miller, Tam McManus and Ian Murray come through prior to the golden generation.

[McGruber]

We had the opportunity to sign him before but blew that one not just once but twice, just typical of Hibs disastrous approach to transfers over the past few seasons.

When he was at United most wanted Levitt out the 2 and weren't interested in MaGrath. After signing Levitt some were hoping he'd go to Hearts as rumoured because he was poor and so we could gloat that we got the real deal out the 2 in Levitt. Not panned out that way unfortunately

[Hibs Go Bragh]

Even if we manage to avoid 12th this is not the season to be messing around in the playoffs with Falkirk and Livi both looking strong.

We need 38 points which (I think) keeps you out of trouble. This is now our one and only ambition this season.

[Nicho87]

Look forward to hibs campaign for season ticket sales next season already.

Always a laugh to see how they sell another disastrous season

[SteveHFC]

Even if we manage to avoid 12th this is not the season to be messing around in the playoffs with Falkirk and Livi both looking strong.

We need 38 points which (I think) keeps you out of trouble. This is now our one and only ambition this season.

38 points seems like an almost impossible target based on the season so far and I really doubt we have the ability and mental strength to enter the fight with other teams in lower half of table.

[blackpoolhibs]

Didn't we have fight to come back from 1-0 down yesterday?

Not as much as Dundee Utd, and not as much as the 11 teams above us either.

[MWHIBBIES]

Not as much as Dundee Utd, and not as much as the 11 teams above us either.

You think all those teams are above us based on fight?

Probably the better managers, players and owners contributing more imo.

[Waxy]

We actually seem to have a good squad on paper.
One that you would think could get relegated.
The eay way things are going we certainly can go down.
It’s slightly baffling.

[blackpoolhibs]

You think all those teams are above us based on fight?

Probably the better managers, players and owners contributing more imo.

I dont know why i bothered, it was you who mentioned fight, Dundee Utd had more of it or just better players, take your pick, you win.

[ekhibee]

How very Hibs would it be to go and do this for the 150th anniversary.

I don’t think the squad is good, but I do think a proper manager could get enough out of them to ensure we’re not in as much trouble as ending up relegated.

As it stands, it’s a real possibility though. Utter shambles.

Yep, this totally. We're pish, but what degree of pish the jury's out.

[Alfred E Newman]

You think all those teams are above us based on fight?

Probably the better managers, players and owners contributing more imo.

I watched the highlights of the Celtic game and what struck me about Aberdeen was the pace they are now playing at. We on the other hand are as slow as the seven years itch and it's so tedious watching the same predictable move over and over again even if it did produce a couple of goals yesterday.

[He's here!]

We actually seem to have a good squad on paper.
One that you would think could get relegated.
The eay way things are going we certainly can go down.
It’s slightly baffling.

Do we really have a good squad on paper? It's reasonable to suggest not based on results.

[Smartie]

We actually seem to have a good squad on paper.
One that you would think could get relegated.
The eay way things are going we certainly can go down.
It’s slightly baffling.

I think we can tend to get a bit “glass half full” when it comes to the overall contribution from inconsistent players, expecting them to consistently deliver their best when they’ve got no track record of doing so.

It’s a criticism you can level at virtually every player in the squad. You want to defend them because you know what they’re capable of but in reality we don’t get that level of performance often enough. Far too big a difference between floor and ceiling of performance.

[Bobby's Cinema]

Even if we manage to avoid 12th this is not the season to be messing around in the playoffs with Falkirk and Livi both looking strong.

We need 38 points which (I think) keeps you out of trouble. This is now our one and only ambition this season.
End the season now ffs that any Hibs fan would be thinking along these lines in October.

[Steve20]

We actually seem to have a good squad on paper.
One that you would think could get relegated.
The eay way things are going we certainly can go down.
It’s slightly baffling.

Our squad is awful.

[K-Zazu]

November 9th is the end of the first round of fixtures

We play

Hearts (h)
Ross County (a)
Dundee utd (h)
St mirren (h)

I have no confidence to get a win in any of them based on how we are defending

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And that’s without even playing Aberdeen in the first round of fixtures, why is that does anyone know?

[ekhibee]

I think we can tend to get a bit “glass half full” when it comes to the overall contribution from inconsistent players, expecting them to consistently deliver their best when they’ve got no track record of doing so.

It’s a criticism you can level at virtually every player in the squad. You want to defend them because you know what they’re capable of but in reality we don’t get that level of performance often enough. Far too big a difference between floor and ceiling of performance.

Yep, agree with that. And far too often there's plenty on here who come out with the comment 'if he was consistent he wouldn't be with us.' As far as I'm concerned this is where the scouting system at Hibs just doesn't seem to be working well.

[sleeping giant]

Personally i hope we have enough to avoid it, and January will hopefully help us, but i certainly think it is a real possibility with this lot of players and the current owners.

How shambolic would it be to celebrate our 150th in the championship? :rolleyes:

It's been coming for years and I think its happening this season.

Absolute mess of a club.

[Jones28]

We actually seem to have a good squad on paper.
One that you would think could get relegated.
The eay way things are going we certainly can go down.
It’s slightly baffling.

Surely the idea we have a good squad is proven bull **** now?
Can’t defend, don’t score enough goals, Gray doesn’t know his best team or formation, our best “on paper” player wanted away in the summer, the club wouldn’t accept other clubs valuations and is now in the huff to such an extent he won’t get game time, we have several players on mental long contracts.

Not one of these factors suggest we have a good squad on paper.

[flash]

If we don't find a way to defend our goal better we will certainly be in for a long, difficult season.

Remain utterly baffled by our goalkeeping recruitment.

[James70]

It's like watching a horror film for the umpteenth time, Carrie comes to mind, just as you think it's all over and we are getting a result we get the horrific ending all over again. It is so predictable and every other team knows we are going to throw it away in the final minutes.

[NorthNorfolkHFC]

Most first round of fixtures - won one.

Writing on wall


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[chasitup]

Yep, agree with that. And far too often there's plenty on here who come out with the comment 'if he was consistent he wouldn't be with us.' As far as I'm concerned this is where the scouting system at Hibs just doesn't seem to be working well.
We have a scouting system? 👀

[ekhibee]

We have a scouting system? 👀

Lol good point.

[Cooshed Kid]

What we need is a Roy Keane on the pitch, someone with a footballing brain who won't passively accept his teammates screwing up over and over again, someone who can marshal and drive them and who can terrify them when necessary. Nice guys need not apply.

I don't recall when we last had a really good captain. I didn't count SDG as one. In the Championship years I too often found myself asking why he wasn't giving the team stick for all the crap they kept playing as 80% possession yielded only 1 point or a close result yet again. I seldom saw him shouting at them on the pitch or trying to motivate them by other means.

[GreenCastle]

Just over 2 months till window opens. Myziane saved us last January with his goals.

Don’t trust them to sign any quality but we do need..

New starting keeper
New back line
A captain plus a vice captain
We need more goals / creativity but we get relegated if we keep losing goals with weak minded players.

No injury prone or young inexperienced players.

We are finishing bottom 3 100% in my opinion.

Will be between Ross County / St J and Hibs.

The Ross County game away after the Derby is also a hugely important game.

[JohnM1875]

And that’s without even playing Aberdeen in the first round of fixtures, why is that does anyone know?

Guessing we were due to play them when they play Celtic in the League Cup semi, so its been rearranged to the end of November.

So technically, the end of the first round of fixtures for us is then, or end of October away to Ross County.

[percy veer]

That 3rd goal was an absolute calamity get that keeper out the team pronto

[Gloucester Hibs]

St Johnstone were so dreadfully bad when we beat them that we surely couldn’t finish behind them, could we? 👀 That said, finishing 11th and relegated via a playoff is a distinct possibility.

[Northernhibee]

St Johnstone were so dreadfully bad when we beat them that we surely couldn’t finish behind them, could we? 👀 That said, finishing 11th and relegated via a playoff is a distinct possibility.

They know how to scrap though, and that’s how you stray up for season after season.

[Crab apple]

They know how to scrap though, and that’s how you stray up for season after season.

I don't see anyone worse than us. We are bottom of the form guide as well as having scored the fewest goals. January becomes huge. Can we manage to find another Maolida as well as a competent keeper.

[staunchhibby]

As long as Bursic is in goals we are on the slippy road.

[The_Exile]

Looking through all the teams in the league, I can't make a case for us beating any of them, cos we don't score many goals and we can't keep the ball out of the net at the other end. And that's before the usual injuries and suspensions start piling up. We're bang in trouble here I feel, January window will be crucial to sort parts of the squad out but who knows how much money we'll spend, January also not a great window to get real quality in anyway. Grim.

[Swedish hibee]

The question is: who is worse than us?
Who else can take that bottom place?

[Bobby's Cinema]

The question is: who is worse than us?
Who else can take that bottom place?
I'm struggling to name any. Last week I was saying I thought we had enough individual quality to get goals to keep us up no matter how bad we were as a team.

But need to concede now that we look in genuine trouble.

If we don't get a result at the weekend and then head up to County wow what a week coming up.

[MWHIBBIES]

I dont know why i bothered, it was you who mentioned fight, Dundee Utd had more of it or just better players, take your pick, you win.

I'm not the one who mentioned fight.

Dundee united had 11 players. We had 10. We were better than them before that happened.

[B.H.F.C]

Looking through all the teams in the league, I can't make a case for us beating any of them, cos we don't score many goals and we can't keep the ball out of the net at the other end. And that's before the usual injuries and suspensions start piling up. We're bang in trouble here I feel, January window will be crucial to sort parts of the squad out but who knows how much money we'll spend, January also not a great window to get real quality in anyway. Grim.

We’re low scoring so far but that’s twice already we’ve scored twice in a game and failed to win. Think that happened about 10 times last season and cost us a ridiculous amount of points. I still think the goals for column will improve but I see nothing to suggest the goals against column will. Goals against is definitely going to be our biggest issue IMO.

[21.05.2016]

I think we have enough to avoid relegation but it’s certainly not out the question if we don’t get a ****ing grip.

[blackpoolhibs]

I'm not the one who mentioned fight.

Dundee united had 11 players. We had 10. We were better than them before that happened.
Dementia? Didn't we have fight to come back from 1-0 down yesterday?

[MWHIBBIES]

Dementia? Didn't we have fight to come back from 1-0 down yesterday?

Yes, and you'll have seen I was quoting someone.

[Hibees1973]

It’s definitely a big concern of mine this season. We are utter garbage in every department.

We’ll pick up some points here and there but it won’t be enough to put a consistent run together.

9/1 on Sky bet for us to finish bottom two seems incredibly generous.

Dundee Utd were 25/1 to win with 15 mins left when we were 2-1 up.

Puzzled me cos surely bookies know our chicken hearted teams' habit of losing late goals.

[Murphys Touch]

It's been coming for years and I think its happening this season.

Absolute mess of a club.

It has - and barometer of that has been the steady declining crowds and STs. It’s almost the consistent “KPI” that clubs our size should be using to gauge our likely on field success. People will come to watch a team that’s got a chance and that feel as one with those in the stand.

I must really suck playing for Hibs just now - and that is down to culture at HTC, boardroom and changing room. No accountability, no leadership - we reward failure (Newell and Campbell for example) but then marginalise others (Kenneh and McKirdy)

We have a hugely paid executive team who are patting themselves on the back for increased turnover and for completing several footballing reviews that only increased the off field technical staff which again, reduces accountability throughout.

Wee Ian Gordon is getting his pants pulled right down

[Murphys Touch]

We signed a £15m striker last January - that bit of class masked a lot of gash in the team

[Chorley Hibee]

As there's been chat about how many points the relegated teams in previous season had after nine games, here's a comparison. For reference, we're currently bottom on nine points. Teams in green had less than us at this stage, teams in red had more.

23-24 (Livingston): 10 points
22-23 (Dundee Utd): 5 points
21-22 (Dundee): 6 points
20-21 (Hamilton): 7 points
19-20 (Hearts): 7 points
18-19 (Dundee): 3 points
17-18 (Ross County): 7 points
16-17 (Inverness): 9 points
15-16 (Dundee Utd): 5 points
14-15 (St Mirren): 7 points

When you compare this with the teams that finished in the playoff spot it isn't that much different.
23-24 (Ross County): 9 points
22-23 (Ross County): 5 points
21-22 (St Johnstone): 9 points
20-21 (Kilmarnock): 11 points
19-20 (Hamilton): 9 points
18-19 (St Mirren): 4 points
17-18 (Partick): 3 points
16-17 (Hamilton): 8 points
15-16 (Kilmarnock): 8 points
14-15 (Motherwell): 7 points

Essentially, whilst relegation is a clear and distinct possibility, it isn't as bad as it could be. Livingston were an exception and no other relegated team in the last ten years has had more than nine points at this stage - however, the playoff is a bit more likely. I guess the take home from this is that there's no hugely underperforming team this year and it's anyone's game, ala 2013-14...

You'll need to review that again, as we're currently on 6 pts, not 9.

[SHODAN]

You'll need to review that again, as we're currently on pts, not 9.

Oh my god **** my life

[SHODAN]

As there's been chat about how many points the relegated teams in previous season had after nine games, here's a comparison. For reference, we're currently bottom on six points. Teams in green had less than us at this stage, teams in red had more.

23-24 (Livingston): 10 points
22-23 (Dundee Utd): 5 points
21-22 (Dundee): 6 points
20-21 (Hamilton): 7 points
19-20 (Hearts): 7 points
18-19 (Dundee): 3 points
17-18 (Ross County): 7 points
16-17 (Inverness): 9 points
15-16 (Dundee Utd): 5 points
14-15 (St Mirren): 7 points

Teams finishing 11th (playoff spot):
23-24 (Ross County): 9 points
22-23 (Ross County): 5 points
21-22 (St Johnstone): 9 points
20-21 (Kilmarnock): 11 points
19-20 (Hamilton): 9 points
18-19 (St Mirren): 4 points
17-18 (Partick): 3 points
16-17 (Hamilton): 8 points
15-16 (Kilmarnock): 8 points
14-15 (Motherwell): 7 points

[Septimus]

We should avoid the “playoff spot” at all costs. Will players anticipating a radical clearout perform?

[wookie70]

As there's been chat about how many points the relegated teams in previous season had after nine games, here's a comparison. For reference, we're currently bottom on nine points. Teams in green had less than us at this stage, teams in red had more.

23-24 (Livingston): 10 points
22-23 (Dundee Utd): 5 points
21-22 (Dundee): 6 points
20-21 (Hamilton): 7 points
19-20 (Hearts): 7 points
18-19 (Dundee): 3 points
17-18 (Ross County): 7 points
16-17 (Inverness): 9 points
15-16 (Dundee Utd): 5 points
14-15 (St Mirren): 7 points

Teams finishing 11th (playoff spot):
23-24 (Ross County): 9 points
22-23 (Ross County): 5 points
21-22 (St Johnstone): 9 points
20-21 (Kilmarnock): 11 points
19-20 (Hamilton): 9 points
18-19 (St Mirren): 4 points
17-18 (Partick): 3 points
16-17 (Hamilton): 8 points
15-16 (Kilmarnock): 8 points
14-15 (Motherwell): 7 points

In other words points gathered at this stage of the campaign don't forecast who gets relegated. Getting into a mindset that every game is one closer to relegation is the last thing I want players and management to be thinking about. We have made a terrible start mostly due to not holding on to leads and points late into games. We just need a few games where we defend well for the full game not 99% or convert chances we would expect to take and we will be on our way. No doubt the results are worrying but there is plenty time at this point and another window to go. The next 6 games, all of which we could win, should be viewed as an opportunity to get right back in the hunt for a European place. We won't make it any better for ourselves or the players by fretting

[SlickShoes]

As there's been chat about how many points the relegated teams in previous season had after nine games, here's a comparison. For reference, we're currently bottom on nine points. Teams in green had less than us at this stage, teams in red had more.

23-24 (Livingston): 10 points
22-23 (Dundee Utd): 5 points
21-22 (Dundee): 6 points
20-21 (Hamilton): 7 points
19-20 (Hearts): 7 points
18-19 (Dundee): 3 points
17-18 (Ross County): 7 points
16-17 (Inverness): 9 points
15-16 (Dundee Utd): 5 points
14-15 (St Mirren): 7 points

Teams finishing 11th (playoff spot):
23-24 (Ross County): 9 points
22-23 (Ross County): 5 points
21-22 (St Johnstone): 9 points
20-21 (Kilmarnock): 11 points
19-20 (Hamilton): 9 points
18-19 (St Mirren): 4 points
17-18 (Partick): 3 points
16-17 (Hamilton): 8 points
15-16 (Kilmarnock): 8 points
14-15 (Motherwell): 7 points

We only have six points, unless you are from the future and saw us beat Ross Co already, I hope we do!

Obviously just a typo since the other info is correct

[flash]

Should I take from these stats then that there's a really good chance that Hertz will get relegated?

[bingo70]

In other words points gathered at this stage of the campaign don't forecast who gets relegated. Getting into a mindset that every game is one closer to relegation is the last thing I want players and management to be thinking about. We have made a terrible start mostly due to not holding on to leads and points late into games. We just need a few games where we defend well for the full game not 99% or convert chances we would expect to take and we will be on our way. No doubt the results are worrying but there is plenty time at this point and another window to go. The next 6 games, all of which we could win, should be viewed as an opportunity to get right back in the hunt for a European place. We won't make it any better for ourselves or the players by fretting

FWIW I think we are in real danger of relegation because I think we are gash in every area of the team, no style of play and sorry to say but a poor management team.

I don’t think we are in danger of relegation because of what the league table says now, it’s because we are a dreadful football team imo.

[bingo70]

Should I take from these stats then that there's a really good chance that Hertz will get relegated?

If you’re judging it solely on that league table yes, it would appear so. I think it would be daft to judge it based on that league table alone though.

[wookie70]

FWIW I think we are in real danger of relegation because I think we are gash in every area of the team, no style of play and sorry to say but a poor management team.

I don’t think we are in danger of relegation because of what the league table says now, it’s because we are a dreadful football team imo. That is fair but the situation could turn pretty quickly for the better. I'm adopting a half full for at least the next 4 games. Too depressing to do otherwise and particularly on the back of a game that despite playing poorly we should have tucked away Hearts pretty easily

[GreenCastle]

My concern is other teams picking up points like Ross County and St J on Saturday.

Feels like every game is so tight but a few wins can move you up the league.

The challenge is we are struggling to win games let alone 2 in a row and that has to change soon.

Looking at the league Utd in 4th are 3 wins better than us already.

Everyone keeps saying next game but you get to the stage you start to run out of games and the pressure mounts.

The sooner we get away from the bottom the better as it’s not good reading.

I’m confident we will but action speaks louder than words and I e can’t keep giving away so many goals.

[Coco Bryce]

We are so easy to play against.

All teams have to do is fire balls into the box as there is a huge possibility one of our defenders or goalie will make a mistake.

[MWHIBBIES]

As there's been chat about how many points the relegated teams in previous season had after nine games, here's a comparison. For reference, we're currently bottom on nine points. Teams in green had less than us at this stage, teams in red had more.

23-24 (Livingston): 10 points
22-23 (Dundee Utd): 5 points
21-22 (Dundee): 6 points
20-21 (Hamilton): 7 points
19-20 (Hearts): 7 points
18-19 (Dundee): 3 points
17-18 (Ross County): 7 points
16-17 (Inverness): 9 points
15-16 (Dundee Utd): 5 points
14-15 (St Mirren): 7 points

Teams finishing 11th (playoff spot):
23-24 (Ross County): 9 points
22-23 (Ross County): 5 points
21-22 (St Johnstone): 9 points
20-21 (Kilmarnock): 11 points
19-20 (Hamilton): 9 points
18-19 (St Mirren): 4 points
17-18 (Partick): 3 points
16-17 (Hamilton): 8 points
15-16 (Kilmarnock): 8 points
14-15 (Motherwell): 7 points

Very obviously we're in major trouble.

[expresso]

We are so easy to play against.

All teams have to do is fire balls into the box as there is a huge possibility one of our defenders or goalie will make a mistake.

This sums us up perfectly all the late goals are from dreadful defending rather than incisive attacking

[Hibees1973]

Two highly winnable games in the week ahead. We need 4 points, or I think Gray will be sacked.

Much as it was demoralising losing another late goal again yesterday, the standard of our play was dire. No real creativity or pattern.

It has got that bad that I even fear us against players such as Jordan White on Wednesday. I really don't think our defenders will be able to keep him quiet for 90 mins and stop him from scoring.

Gray has to develop a team backbone when we are in trouble like we are. A struggling team full of loanees who will be here today, gone tomorrow, is a poor position to be in.

[B.H.F.C]

On one hand, I’m not fearful of relegation. Not yet anyway.

I think Gray is at the point where he either starts winning games (meaning we climb the league) or gets the sack (and I think a semi competent manager picks up more points).

Obviously the first option is the preferable one. The biggest issue with the second option is our ability to actually appoint a semi competent manager.

It’s going to be an absolutely dire season with more money wasted but I think we’ll have enough to be out of any serious trouble. If we go to Ross County on Wednesday and lose I might revise that opinion, but I also think Gray would be sacked on Thursday if that happens.

[flash]

We are so easy to play against.

All teams have to do is fire balls into the box as there is a huge possibility one of our defenders or goalie will make a mistake.

The bigger issue is surely that we aren't scoring enough goals.

Personally thought we defended pretty well yesterday with the exception of Miller.

[Jones28]

The bigger issue is surely that we aren't scoring enough goals.

Personally thought we defended pretty well yesterday with the exception of Miller.

It's a bit of both for me.

Yesterday we drew a game we should have been 2 or 3 goals up in.

Dundee united we defended a lead atrociously.

It's a dangerous combination; not scoring enough and conceding stinkers.

[Vault Boy]

Fewest goals scored in the league, albeit with a game in hand on the two teams directly above us.

Games in hand don’t matter if you don’t win them. At the moment, we look incapable of doing that.

[matty_f]

It's a bit of both for me.

Yesterday we drew a game we should have been 2 or 3 goals up in.

Dundee united we defended a lead atrociously.

It's a dangerous combination; not scoring enough and conceding stinkers.

Is definitely both, which is clearly a huge problem. You can get away with one end of the pitch but functioning if the other is compensating but if both are culpable then it becomes very hard to win games, as we are witnessing.

[GreenCastle]

We create chances but we haven’t been scoring enough of them.

I feel though for us to progress we have enough firepower to score it’s the leaking of goals.

It’s the same back 5 every game - add in Camden for his 5 min cameo at right back. Ok you defend as a team but nearly every goal we lose is due to an issue by one of the back 5.

[Cooshed Kid]

This is not the worst Hibs' team in my lifetime. That's the tragedy. The individual parts are largely okay, allowing for weaknesses at keeper and right back. It's the sum of the parts that's the problem. We are performing far worse than we should with persistent suicidal mistakes. Is SDG part of the problem? I hope not, but I wish there was someone in the crosshairs who isn't a Hibs' hero and I have a suspicion Thelin is a much better leader.

[Numptie]

At the moment the biggest issue is who is worse than us. Usually you can spot who are the teams that will be down the bottom of the league, but this year there are 9 teams who are much the same. If we continue as we are - we get relegated but assuming we improve, who is going below us ?????

[HFC93]

Our top priority this season should be to avoid finishing in the bottom two. Relegation is a real threat IMO. As others have said, who is worse than us?

[He's here!]

Two highly winnable games in the week ahead. We need 4 points, or I think Gray will be sacked.

Much as it was demoralising losing another late goal again yesterday, the standard of our play was dire. No real creativity or pattern.

It has got that bad that I even fear us against players such as Jordan White on Wednesday. I really don't think our defenders will be able to keep him quiet for 90 mins and stop him from scoring.

Gray has to develop a team backbone when we are in trouble like we are. A struggling team full of loanees who will be here today, gone tomorrow, is a poor position to be in.

Are the next two games really 'highly winnable'? Not based on our record so far this season. I'd say the trip to County is highly loseable and would take a point. United at home might be a better bet but after Tannadice you probably wouldn't want to make that bet.

You're right that we need to take something though. We'll pass the quarter mark of the season this week.

[tonyrougier123]

Relegation is a clear and present threat, we’ve got to survive this season pure and simple and back the team to do so, top six will be a bonus and forget getting anywhere near Aberdeen this season. We need to stop comparing and build from our own problems up. Any help our black knights can give would also help. Wether it be funding or players, a goalie pretty please 🙏🏻

[Hibs Go Bragh]

Amazingly the form guide for the last 6 games has both Dundee and St Mirren worse than us and Hearts by a point.

[flash]

Everyone from 6th position downwards is in the danger zone right now.

[A Hi-Bee]

If we dont get rid of that keeper and change the defence we are going down.

[jacomo]

FWIW I think we are in real danger of relegation because I think we are gash in every area of the team, no style of play and sorry to say but a poor management team.

I don’t think we are in danger of relegation because of what the league table says now, it’s because we are a dreadful football team imo.


I refused to believe we would be relegated in 2014, up until we got dragged into trouble.

I certainly won’t be that cocky again. Our inability to hold onto leads is deeply worrying x

[eastmainsmsh]

Dingwall on wed is massive must win

[bingo70]

Dingwall on wed is massive must win

I’m not sure it is to be honest. I suspect a draw on Wednesday and a win on Sunday wouldn’t be the end of the world and could hopefully kick start the season.

I’m not optimistic about getting the 4 points though.

[LewysGot2]

Amazingly the form guide for the last 6 games has both Dundee and St Mirren worse than us and Hearts by a point.

St Mirren have quietly gone astray under the camouflage of two Diddy Edinburgh clubs...

[ekhibee]

Yep, St Mirren look pish at the moment, and Dundee seem to be dropping a lot of points just now. As far as relegation goes it might well come down to who has the least ***** defence. My prediction for the next 2 games? I think we'll get beat by RC and think we'll beat DU, thought we were the better team against them, but we'll see....

[TelaStella]

Yep, St Mirren look pish at the moment, and Dundee seem to be dropping a lot of points just now. As far as relegation goes it might well come down to who has the least ***** defence. My prediction for the next 2 games? I think we'll get beat by RC and think we'll beat DU, thought we were the better team against them, but we'll see....

Dundee are a funny one. Not a team’s results I pay much attention to but even last season it always felt like they were getting beat or dropping points yet they finished 6th and nearly found themselves in Europe. Interesting to see how it plays out for them this season but after a decent start including pre season they don’t look like having much momentum behind them atm. Wonder how good Tony Doch’ really is, wasn’t too long ago one or two suggested him for Gray’s job.


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[Hibernian Verse]

Dundee are a funny one. Not a team’s results I pay much attention to but even last season it always felt like they were getting beat or dropping points yet they finished 6th and nearly found themselves in Europe. Interesting to see how it plays out for them this season but after a decent start including pre season they don’t look like having much momentum behind them atm. Wonder how good Tony Doch’ really is, wasn’t too long ago one or two suggested him for Gray’s job.


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Whole team revolved around McCowan from what my Dundeh supporting mate says.

[Jones28]

I’m not sure it is to be honest. I suspect a draw on Wednesday and a win on Sunday wouldn’t be the end of the world and could hopefully kick start the season.

I’m not optimistic about getting the 4 points though.

I'd bite your hand off for that tbh.

I'd give a leg for 6 points though.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Dundee are a funny one. Not a team’s results I pay much attention to but even last season it always felt like they were getting beat or dropping points yet they finished 6th and nearly found themselves in Europe. Interesting to see how it plays out for them this season but after a decent start including pre season they don’t look like having much momentum behind them atm. Wonder how good Tony Doch’ really is, wasn’t too long ago one or two suggested him for Gray’s job.


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they're a poor side without McCowan and their results since he left show that. I was very surprised when they nicked a win at Motherwell the other week. Would have had Well down as a certainty for three points that day.

[bingo70]

they're a poor side without McCowan and their results since he left show that. I was very surprised when they nicked a win at Motherwell the other week. Would have had Well down as a certainty for three points that day.

That win was largely down to me having Motherwell on my coupon though rather than Dundee doing anything well.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Could have 5 teams on 9 pts come full time tomorrow. Probably not but it's a possibility.

[cammy1969]

Yes we’ve been poor so far this season nobody can dispute that, but other that Celtic I can’t say any team we’ve played have been really any better than us. If we can address the defensive issue we should be able to climb a little up the league imo.


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[Cooshed Kid]

Yes we’ve been poor so far this season nobody can dispute that, but other that Celtic I can’t say any team we’ve played have been really any better than us. If we can address the defensive issue we should be able to climb a little up the league imo.


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That "IF" is proving of Himalayan dimensions.

[Springbank]

Could have 5 teams on 9 pts come full time tomorrow. Probably not but it's a possibility.

You're right

If we beat County
Hearts beat Killie
Dundee lose at Celtic
and St Mirren draw with St Johnstone

You'd have Hibs, Hearts, Dundee, Killie & St Mirren on 9 points.
Funny thing is if we win by 2 goals we might find ourselves sitting 8th

It's a pivotal week and the wins are vital

[ruthven_raiders]

You're right

If we beat County
Hearts beat Killie
Dundee lose at Celtic
and St Mirren draw with St Johnstone

You'd have Hibs, Hearts, Dundee, Killie & St Mirren on 9 points.
Funny thing is if we win by 2 goals we might find ourselves sitting 8th

It's a pivotal week and the wins are vital

This is it, next three weeks we have to convert these games into wins to get up the table or we are in real trouble, been saying this for weeks, only because the Jambos being down there too, making it not so alarming until now...

[B.H.F.C]

You're right

If we beat County
Hearts beat Killie
Dundee lose at Celtic
and St Mirren draw with St Johnstone

You'd have Hibs, Hearts, Dundee, Killie & St Mirren on 9 points.
Funny thing is if we win by 2 goals we might find ourselves sitting 8th

It's a pivotal week and the wins are vital

Rest of this week is massive. If we still find ourselves bottom by the end of it, I think we’re looking for a new manager.

We can’t be the team that is cut adrift at the bottom, that just can’t happen. We need to get 4 points minimum from these two games though we could really be doing with the 6. Can’t keep talking about winning the next one, or the one after that.

[Bushwoof]

I genuinely don't think we're that bad a side. We should be on a good few more points than we are. Of course we could carry on being a bit unlucky, find ourselves adrift, and things could really fall apart, but for now I don't think 4th place is beyond us.
Anyway relegation isn't the end of the world. Mercer putting us out of business would have been, but he's deid and we're no, so have a beer and cheer up.

[Stuart93]

I genuinely don't think we're that bad a side. We should be on a good few more points than we are. Of course we could carry on being a bit unlucky, find ourselves adrift, and things could really fall apart, but for now I don't think 4th place is beyond us.
Anyway relegation isn't the end of the world. Mercer putting us out of business would have been, but he's deid and we're no, so have a beer and cheer up.

You reckon us sitting bottom is because we’ve been a “bit unlucky”?

That’s nonsense. You don’t concede 8 goals and score 0 from 75-99mins by being unlucky.

We’re bottom because we’ve been absolutely *****, not because we’re unlucky.

[Bushwoof]

You reckon us sitting bottom is because we’ve been a “bit unlucky”?

Yes, I do. We were the better side against Well and the Arabs before the sendings off, should have had a point off the Huns, and should have beaten the Jambos too. We're not totally sh***, just a bit unlucky, or maybe a bit careless at times.

[Onion]

Yes we’ve been poor so far this season nobody can dispute that, but other that Celtic I can’t say any team we’ve played have been really any better than us. If we can address the defensive issue we should be able to climb a little up the league imo.


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IMO far too early to talk about R. We've lost a shed load of points from winning positions with 10 mins to go and, as SDG stated everything our opponents have done has ended up in our net. That cannot continue indefinitely. Yes, it feels like we're doomed to continue like this, but fact remains Hibs have worked themselves into decent positions away to Rangers, away to DU, at home to Hearts, away to Killie etc only to have a man sent off or make the most basic of errors to give up points. If this was last 10 games of the season, I might be worried but not at this point. Sunday we created a hatful of chances and should have won the match. As long as that remains the pattern of games, we'll be ok.

Saying all that, we've got some serious issues to fix at the club. Unless we face up to them, success is a dream.

[Unseen work]

The arguments about other teams not being much better than us etc make is even worse imo

We’re losing to very very ordinary/poor sides

[Stuart93]

Yes, I do. We were the better side against Well and the Arabs before the sendings off, should have had a point off the Huns, and should have beaten the Jambos too. We're not totally sh***, just a bit unlucky, or maybe a bit careless at times.

Should have but didn’t. Being the better team but coming away with nothing or dropped points is what we’ve been good at now for a few seasons, this season isn’t a one off.

To be bottom going into November isn’t a fluke or unlucky.

We aren’t far off a full round of fixtures now and we’ve been the worst team in the league.

[Scotty Leither]

IMO far too early to talk about R. We've lost a shed load of points from winning positions with 10 mins to go and, as SDG stated everything our opponents have done has ended up in our net. That cannot continue indefinitely. Yes, it feels like we're doomed to continue like this, but fact remains Hibs have worked themselves into decent positions away to Rangers, away to DU, at home to Hearts, away to Killie etc only to have a man sent off or make the most basic of errors to give up points. If this was last 10 games of the season, I might be worried but not at this point. Sunday we created a hatful of chances and should have won the match. As long as that remains the pattern of games, we'll be ok.

Saying all that, we've got some serious issues to fix at the club. Unless we face up to them, success is a dream.

We should have spent the £1m we were going to spend on McCowan on an established GK, a CH that can put his heid on a ball at set pieces, and a midfielder that’s mobile and gets about the park, but then our Director of Football had different ideas and apparently it was McCowan or naebody according to him.

Another one that should get his books in short order.

[Hibeesforever]

We should have spent the £1m we were going to spend on McCowan on an established GK, a CH that can put his heid on a ball at set pieces, and a midfielder that’s mobile and gets about the park, but then our Director of Football had different ideas and apparently it was McCowan or naebody according to him.

Another one that should get his books in short order.

Not spending that £1 million is looking more foolish by the day...spine of the team is weak, to not spend the funds was ridiculous...

[Paulie Walnuts]

Not spending that £1 million is looking more foolish by the day...spine of the team is weak, to not spend the funds was ridiculous...

And the idea that it either needed to be all the money or no money and that it was only Luke McCowan that was a suitable target for any/all of those funds was absolutely mental.

[TrinityHFC]

And the idea that it either needed to be all the money or no money and that it was only Luke McCowan that was a suitable target for any/all of those funds was absolutely mental.

Nothing mental about it. We wanted a specific player and were willing to pay that for him. We’d shown already that when we wanted a different specific player such as Bowie then we paid that too.

Just using up money on players that evidently we didn’t want instead would have just been repeating previous mistakes.

I’m sure we will make that money available in a future window.

[superfurryhibby]

Nothing mental about it. We wanted a specific player and were willing to pay that for him. We’d shown already that when we wanted a different specific player such as Bowie then we paid that too.

Just using up money on players that evidently we didn’t want instead would have just been repeating previous mistakes.

I’m sure we will make that money available in a future window.

Not signing players of the quality required to address our longstanding midfield issues, that's what I call repeating previous mistakes.

[ancient hibee]

Yes we’ve been poor so far this season nobody can dispute that, but other that Celtic I can’t say any team we’ve played have been really any better than us. If we can address the defensive issue we should be able to climb a little up the league imo.


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Failure to score goals is by far our biggest failure. We should have been at least three goals up on Sunday before we got anywhere near the last 15 minutes. Our goals against figure is pretty average but our goals for is pathetic.

[Ronniekirk]

We are not tsking chances , can’t keep clean sheets and can’t hold on to a lead Couple that with not playing thst well and the team seemingly lacking confidence , has Relegation candidates written all over it
We aren’t winning , and the longer this goes on we are reliant on teams above us not picking up points
Something really needs to change and soon
But you look at the chances Gayle had at the weekend and you expect a player of his experience to tske at least one of these I really thought he would be a big game player we could rely on

[Paulie Walnuts]

Nothing mental about it. We wanted a specific player and were willing to pay that for him. We’d shown already that when we wanted a different specific player such as Bowie then we paid that too.

Just using up money on players that evidently we didn’t want instead would have just been repeating previous mistakes.

I’m sure we will make that money available in a future window.

We thought a position was such a necessity we were willing to spend £1m on it. The idea there wasn’t any other player, anywhere between £0-£1m that could have been signed as a backup is nonsense.

Luke McCowan is now gone, so it’s not like we’re keeping our powder dry until January to go back for him. We’re going to have to go and identify someone else. A backup option, you could say. That should have been done in the summer. We were completely underprepared and now we’re bottom of the league and the lowest scorers I think I read? A number 10 would have helped with that.

We may well make the money available in a future window. That doesn’t help matters now though, and won’t help matters until at least January when we could easily find ourselves cut adrift at the bottom of the league.

[Scotty Leither]

Nothing mental about it. We wanted a specific player and were willing to pay that for him. We’d shown already that when we wanted a different specific player such as Bowie then we paid that too.

Just using up money on players that evidently we didn’t want instead would have just been repeating previous mistakes.

I’m sure we will make that money available in a future window.

Might be too late by then, especially with a GK that keeps throwing them in and breeds zero confidence in the players in front of him.

[Scotty Leither]

Relegation is a clear and present threat, we’ve got to survive this season pure and simple and back the team to do so, top six will be a bonus and forget getting anywhere near Aberdeen this season. We need to stop comparing and build from our own problems up. Any help our black knights can give would also help. Wether it be funding or players, a goalie pretty please 🙏🏻

There must be an unattached experienced GK out there that we can sign?

[greenlex]

We should have spent the £1m we were going to spend on McCowan on an established GK, a CH that can put his heid on a ball at set pieces, and a midfielder that’s mobile and gets about the park, but then our Director of Football had different ideas and apparently it was McCowan or naebody according to him.

Another one that should get his books in short order.
It’s not weak and two decent players in Kwon and Triantis on loan filled that hole shorter term.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It’s not weak and two decent players in Kwon and Triantis on loan filled that hole shorter term.

Two defensive midfielders didn’t fill the hole left by missing out on an attacking midfield player. :confused:

[B.H.F.C]

It’s not weak and two decent players in Kwon and Triantis on loan filled that hole shorter term.

They’re not comparative to McCowan. We are lacking creativity because we decided we could only go for McCowan to provide that. It was a ridiculous approach and we’re suffering for it majorly just now.

[greenlex]

They’re not comparative to McCowan. We are lacking creativity because we decided we could only go for McCowan to provide that. It was a ridiculous approach and we’re suffering for it majorly just now.
Whilst not totally like for like they are short term. Both have a decent pass about them. Hopefully an McGowan substitution incoming in either of the next two windows. Most probably next summer. Our problems do not lie in what we are creating but not finishing the chances we do. If we were a couple of goals to the good the last ten in games wouldnt be so stressful and maybe just maybe we could actually see a game out.

[GreenCastle]

There must be an unattached experienced GK out there that we can sign?

Loris Karius ?!

Edgar Badia

Keylor Navas was available till recently…

All out our budget but there are plenty free unattached GKs out there. Would the club still be allowed to register one ??

January window opens in 2 months..the 2 questions are who will be the manager for that window ? Are the club going to be brave enough to find a new keeper ?

[Hibees1973]

Still quite a few apologists for The Golden Quadrant and Gray.

Wonder how long it will take for them to face up to facts. For example our league position, constant defensive errors and questionable recruitment over a number of years.

Some still hoping rather than expecting a turnaround in our fortunes.

The club is a mess from top to bottom with the amount of players on the payroll and the number of loanees in the first team.

We need a root and branch overhaul.

[B.H.F.C]

Whilst not totally like for like they are short term. Both have a decent pass about them. Hopefully an McGowan substitution incoming in either of the next two windows. Most probably next summer. Our problems do not lie in what we are creating but not finishing the chances we do. If we were a couple of goals to the good the last ten in games wouldnt be so stressful and maybe just maybe we could actually see a game out.

We’ve had chances but we need someone to link things up. There’s very little creativity in the middle of the park, most of our chances are from crosses in to the box be it a set play or open play. I just don’t think it’s sustainable to do that all the time and we’re not exactly good to watch. I think shaving someone in there would help us keep the ball and see games out that way rather than the current, unsuccessful, way we’re trying to.

I’ve no problem with the short term signings to do a job. But we were prepared to pay a million quid for a player so it’s not as if we were getting players in short term because we had to. I just think it was a major weakness not addressed.

[greenlex]

We’ve had chances but we need someone to link things up. There’s very little creativity in the middle of the park, most of our chances are from crosses in to the box be it a set play or open play. I just don’t think it’s sustainable to do that all the time and we’re not exactly good to watch. I think shaving someone in there would help us keep the ball and see games out that way rather than the current, unsuccessful, way we’re trying to.

I’ve no problem with the short term signings to do a job. But we were prepared to pay a million quid for a player so it’s not as if we were getting players in short term because we had to. I just think it was a major weakness not addressed.
All fair comments but we chased our target right up to the death.

[JimBHibees]

Still quite a few apologists for The Golden Quadrant and Gray.

Wonder how long it will take for them to face up to facts. For example our league position, constant defensive errors and questionable recruitment over a number of years.

Some still hoping rather than expecting a turnaround in our fortunes.

The club is a mess from top to bottom with the amount of players on the payroll and the number of loanees in the first team.

We need a root and branch overhaul.

Suppose based on performances we have been ahead in a decent number of games so have done some things right. Also should have beaten the Gorgie galaticos. Clearly we need to improve but the sky hasn’t fallen in just yet.

[where'stheslope]

Suppose based on performances we have been ahead in a decent number of games so have done some things right. Also should have beaten the Gorgie galaticos. Clearly we need to improve but the sky hasn’t fallen in just yet.
Don't like the word SHOULD, in the last 2 games were there to win.
Lost 1 drew the other, that is not top 6 form.
We need to pick up points quick or the R word will soon be on everyone's lips!!!!

[overdrive]

Loris Karius ?!

Edgar Badia

Keylor Navas was available till recently…

All out our budget but there are plenty free unattached GKs out there. Would the club still be allowed to register one ??

January window opens in 2 months..the 2 questions are who will be the manager for that window ? Are the club going to be brave enough to find a new keeper ?

We can register any free agent so long as they were a free agent at the point the last window closed (slammed shut).

[.Sean.]

We can register any free agent so long as they were a free agent at the point the last window closed (slammed shut).
There will one million percent be a free agent who’d be willing to sign for us and be able to play immediately who will be better than Bursik

[Since452]

It’s not weak and two decent players in Kwon and Triantis on loan filled that hole shorter term.

Triantis looked good initially but his recent performances have raised big question marks over his mentality and put us on the back foot. Hopefully he sorts it out.

[B.H.F.C]

Triantis looked good initially but his recent performances have raised big question marks over his mentality and put us on the back foot. Hopefully he sorts it out.

I’d say he showed a good mentality on Sunday. Early booking but handled it well thereafter.

[Jones28]

You're right

If we beat County
Hearts beat Killie
Dundee lose at Celtic
and St Mirren draw with St Johnstone

You'd have Hibs, Hearts, Dundee, Killie & St Mirren on 9 points.
Funny thing is if we win by 2 goals we might find ourselves sitting 8th

It's a pivotal week and the wins are vital

Can Hearts get beat though? Pretty please?

[Jones28]

I’d say he showed a good mentality on Sunday. Early booking but handled it well thereafter.

:agree: I don't think he played well at all - his use of the ball was awful - but he did well with regards to staying disciplined.

[Centre Hawf]

We can register any free agent so long as they were a free agent at the point the last window closed (slammed shut).

I recently found out that the Premier League has a registration deadline a few weeks after the transfer deadline, which means after about mid September they can't actually sign free agents anymore (at least to play until January). I wonder if the Scottish Premiership has anything like that which is why after Dwight Gayle was announced in mid September we haven't brought anyone else in.

[flash]

:agree: I don't think he played well at all - his use of the ball was awful - but he did well with regards to staying disciplined.

I thought he played like somebody who had been booked in the first 5 minutes.

I like him but he was poor on Sunday.

[The Tubs]

I thought he played like somebody who had been booked in the first 5 minutes.

I like him but he was poor on Sunday.

Excluiding the terrible finish, he played much better in the second half than he did in the first or against Motherwell, I think.

[Bobby's Cinema]

I don't think we will be relegated. I do think we will pull away quite comfortably. If you asked me right now I'd predict we finish fast in 7th place, with more points than 6th.

[Not In The Know]

100%

A possibility.

FFS.

[Northernhibee]

If we finish within 8-10 points of 11th it’ll be a minor miracle.

The clubs around us have the potential to go on a short run of results, we have absolutely nothing whatsoever.

[GreenCastle]

Hearts play St J next..

Then Rangers / Celtic and Aberdeen…

With some Euro games distracting them between them.

Relegation is real and we need to start accepting that and starting games better.

The longer we are near the bottom the more pressure come end of season and bottom 6 split. Though bottom 6 = less money

[Alfred E Newman]

If we finish within 8-10 points of 11th it’ll be a minor miracle.

The clubs around us have the potential to go on a short run of results, we have absolutely nothing whatsoever.

If we finish this season in 10th spot it will be a success.

[Stuart93]

I don't think we will be relegated. I do think we will pull away quite comfortably. If you asked me right now I'd predict we finish fast in 7th place, with more points than 6th.

There’s nothing comfortable about this team

[Centre Hawf]

My worry is that it's Hearts that we're in a relegation battle with. Give me St Johnstone or a County and I'd feel better about it. At the moment I can still see Hearts putting together enough wins to pull away from us. We just have to hope the rest of them are in touching distance before then.

I just do not see goals in this team, and whenever we do tend to score we concede anyway.

[GreenCastle]

My worry is that it's Hearts that we're in a relegation battle with. Give me St Johnstone or a County and I'd feel better about it. At the moment I can still see Hearts putting together enough wins to pull away from us. We just have to hope the rest of them are in touching distance before then.

I just do not see goals in this team, and whenever we do tend to score we concede anyway.

Still 9 points available from the remaining possible derby games - assuming both bottom 6..

Can you imagine going to PBS in bottom 6 needing 3 points to help stay up?!

The sooner we get a win the better - we need wins and soon as folk are rightly panicking as they have seen this “next game” chat before and you run out of games.

[chrisski33]

I don't think we will be relegated. I do think we will pull away quite comfortably. If you asked me right now I'd predict we finish fast in 7th place, with more points than 6th.

Not with this shower of so called players.

[AdidasHibernian]

My worry is that it's Hearts that we're in a relegation battle with. Give me St Johnstone or a County and I'd feel better about it. At the moment I can still see Hearts putting together enough wins to pull away from us. We just have to hope the rest of them are in touching distance before then.

I just do not see goals in this team, and whenever we do tend to score we concede anyway.

Imagine it was Hearts and it came down the the games against them...scary thought.

[Coco Bryce]

It's always jam tomorrow with Hibs.

Next game...

Next transfer window...

Next season...

Next manager...

Next board and CEO

[JohnM1875]

It's always jam tomorrow with Hibs.

Next game...

Next transfer window...

Next season...

Next manager...

Next board and CEO

New stand

New training centre

New hospitality


Get a ****ing winning team on the pitch! For the love of God. Sick to death of Hibs the past few years.

[JimBHibees]

Don't like the word SHOULD, in the last 2 games were there to win.
Lost 1 drew the other, that is not top 6 form.
We need to pick up points quick or the R word will soon be on everyone's lips!!!!

I was responding to a prophet of doom post. All the context i mentioned was performance was better than result. Of course we need to start winning.

[eastmainsmsh]

New stand

New training centre

New hospitality


Get a ****ing winning team on the pitch! For the love of God. Sick to death of Hibs the past few years.

They are driving fans away many more if this ****show continues

[GreenCastle]

November 9th is the end of the first round of fixtures

We play

Hearts (h)
Ross County (a)
Dundee utd (h)
St mirren (h)

I have no confidence to get a win in any of them based on how we are defending

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Correct answer.

The sooner the club admit they are in a relegation fight the better.

Watching yesterday gave me the fear if we were to even manage to finish 2nd bottom.

10th will be a miracle right now if this group of players manage to win 2 games in a row.

January transfer window and a new manager are the only things that can save us.

[Trinity Hibee]

I know people will say we are 4 points of 9th/10th or whatever else but we are not winning any games and I can only see relegation this season. We’ve been on a slide for a couple of years now and this is it all coming home to roost. So depressing.

Genuinely can’t see us turning this around.

[Alfred E Newman]

I know people will say we are 4 points of 9th/10th or whatever else but we are not winning any games and I can only see relegation this season. We’ve been on a slide for a couple of years now and this is it all coming home to roost. So depressing.

Genuinely can’t see us turning this around.

We are in a desperate situation that is for sure. It's such a poor squad and I have serious doubts any manager could do much with them. I have never been so detached from a Hibs team as this shower of nonentities.
How on earth have we got into to this mess?

[blackpoolhibs]

We are in a desperate situation that is for sure. It's such a poor squad and I have serious doubts any manager could do much with them. I have never been so detached from a Hibs team as this shower of nonentities.
How on earth have we got into to this mess?

Ron and Ian Gordon, that's how.😭

[Malonga's Cat]

I know people will say we are 4 points of 9th/10th or whatever else but we are not winning any games and I can only see relegation this season. We’ve been on a slide for a couple of years now and this is it all coming home to roost. So depressing.

Genuinely can’t see us turning this around.

Agreed. There is a bad feeling around all of this and I can't see it shifting unless there is big change. We can't paper over this. It needs sorted... how we do that mid-season I don't know.

[Trinity Hibee]

Agreed. There is a bad feeling around all of this and I can't see it shifting unless there is big change. We can't paper over this. It's needs sorted... how we do that mid-season I don't know.

The main worry is even if we managed to change the squad quite a bit in January, by that point we could already be too far gone. The last 4 games were highlighted as must win and we haven’t won a single one.

[ShottsBranch]

November 9th is the end of the first round of fixtures

We play

Hearts (h)
Ross County (a)
Dundee utd (h)
St mirren (h)

I have no confidence to get a win in any of them based on how we are defending

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What a call

[James70]

I don't know if the manager has lost the players but the players have certainly lost the supporters.

[patstanton70]

Maybe the cunning plan is to get us relegated so that in our 150th year we can be in a league where we win most games and are crowned champions

[Heisenberg]

I don't know if the manager has lost the players but the players have certainly lost the supporters.

Not sure it’s ever been this toxic. What a situation we are in

[Glory Lurker]

I'm rapidly approaching the point where I'm just going to stop going, even though I've got an ST. If we get relegated I won't renew and simply won't go, regardless if we tear it up. I've done three and won't do another. I know I won't be alone in that.

Relegation would be an existential crisis for the club. We simply don't have the option of failure.

[mcohibs]

I don't know if the manager has lost the players but the players have certainly lost the supporters.

They’re a disgrace. Not one leader in that team. Losers.

[GreenCastle]

Looking at previous seasons history…bottom / 2nd bottom and 3rd bottom

23/24 - Livingston 25 points - Ross County 35 and St J 35 points
22/23 - Dundee Utd 31 - Ross County 34 - Killie - 40
21/22- Dundee - 29 - St J - 35 - Aberdeen 41
20/21 - Hamilton 30 - Killie 36, Ross County 39

We have now played 12 games..played everyone once except Aberdeen.

We sit on 8 points.

We have 26 games remaining.

Looking at the remaining games..before split

We play…

Celtic x 2
Rangers x2
Hearts x2
Aberdeen x3

(9x3 = 27 points available from these games)

St Mirren x1
Dundee Utd x1
Killie x2
Ross County x2
St Johnstone x2
Dundee x2
Motherwell x2

(12 games x 3 = 36 points available)

Plus x5 bottom 6 games = 15 points available

Bottom line is we do need to start up more points or we are in serious serious trouble.

[Seekyit]

I was afraid to look at the league table this morning but we're not exactly cut adrift - yet.

Bizarrely we've conceded less goals than the six teams above us.

It can be fixed but we'll need to start soon. How I honestly don't know.

[Callum_62]

I was afraid to look at the league table this morning but we're not exactly cut adrift - yet.

Bizarrely we've conceded less goals than the six teams above us.

It can be fixed but we'll need to start soon. How I honestly don't know.First step is changing the manager imo

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[flash]

Not sure it’s ever been this toxic. What a situation we are in

It's been far more toxic than it is right now but only because most people are simply punch drunk with the relentless disappointment.

[The_Exile]

I was afraid to look at the league table this morning but we're not exactly cut adrift - yet.

Bizarrely we've conceded less goals than the six teams above us.

It can be fixed but we'll need to start soon. How I honestly don't know.

We've played 12 games and scored 11 goals. The only option I think we've got is to try and 0-0 our way out of this as we've no goals in this team whatsoever.

[Hiber-nation]

It's been far more toxic than it is right now but only because most people are simply punch drunk with the relentless disappointment.

Agree, even in Mixu's latter days it was worse than it is just now. I just sit shaking my head mostly.

[Trinity Hibee]

Agree, even in Mixu's latter days it was worse than it is just now. I just sit shaking my head mostly.

Really?

[flash]

Really?

I would say so also towards the end of Heckingbottom and Calderwood too.

A factor is probably that the vast majority of us really don't feel comfortable screaming dogs abuse at SDG.

[Trinity Hibee]

I would say so also towards the end of Heckingbottom and Calderwood too.

A factor is probably that the vast majority of us really don't feel comfortable screaming dogs abuse at SDG.

Probably right on the last part which might be why

[flash]

Probably right on the last part which might be why

Aye he shouldn't be there but it's the jokers up in the directors box who should be getting the brunt of the abuse.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It's been far more toxic than it is right now but only because most people are simply punch drunk with the relentless disappointment.

Was going to say the same.

It’s not particularly toxic at all right now because the Gordon’s, Kensell, McPherson etc have managed to turn the fans off the club so much that folk just don’t care.

They have absolutely ruined the club. ****ing ******s the lot of them.

[blackpoolhibs]

I would say so also towards the end of Heckingbottom and Calderwood too.

A factor is probably that the vast majority of us really don't feel comfortable screaming dogs abuse at SDG.

100% spot on.

[WestStandWillie]

Gray has money in the bank with us. If that had been any other manager they’d either be out the door or chants of “GTF” would be rife right now.

Surely to **** Gray realises that it’s all over?! The horse has well and truly bolted.

[JohnM1875]

I would say so also towards the end of Heckingbottom and Calderwood too.

A factor is probably that the vast majority of us really don't feel comfortable screaming dogs abuse at SDG.

Aw, without a shadow of a doubt.

Genuinely can't believe folk were chanting for SDG yesterday though. Must have been after I'd chucked it and went for pints.

[GreenCastle]

Sorry to say it’s happening - absolutely no leadership - pride or care.

Think it’s going to be a miracle if we stay up.

[Bobby's Cinema]

A sorry run of fixtures in prospect seeing us through to Christmas. We are in so much trouble here.