Who would we keep?

[Real Emerald]

I’ve just been thinking what players we need to replace but have actually started to wonder who would we actually keep. Given we have problems in every area of the park and we’ve also got a few loans, I’m thinking Bowie and maybe another season out of Boyle. Apart from that I’m struggling.

[Unseen work]

Honestly Bowie and other than that I’m not overly bothered

Always quite liked Obita even when his form dipped. Hoilett if he’s still playing the same in a years time

Triantis and Kwon are good young players but on loan.

[Centre Hawf]

Bowie. That’s it.

I don’t care if a single one stays beyond that.

[1875M]

Bowie. Maybe Gayle for another season. That’s it.

[Stanton Spence]

I think Gayle and Hoilett still have enough about them to show up in our league but they ain’t exactly long term signings

[Scottie]

Wouldn’t bat an eyelid if I never seen anyone in our squad play for us again. We have lost any identity we ever had. Sad sad days for our wonderful club.

Where are the players in that squad that get us ?

[JohnM1875]

Bowie, Obita and Rudi and that's pretty much it. So ****ing grim.

Actually Marv has been alright after a bad start and I like Hoilett but can't see him hanging around.

[Bronson]

I was going to say no one but i’ll agree on bowie. The rest can should first chance we get to punt them

[truehibernian]

Bowie, Obita and Rudi and that's pretty much it. So ****ing grim.

Actually Marv has been alright after a bad start and I like Hoilett but can't see him hanging around.

Maybe just me but I don’t see anything in Rudi to suggest he’s going to be a good player at this level. Massively overrated by Gray and wasn’t even the best youth player in the youth side. Love to be proved wrong but he’s not a player I see in a team sheet and get excited about. All I see is the club taking a punt on a young player in hope. Bit like Monty did with Rory. They’re both not even close to this level of football but time is on their side. A loan would have been much better for his development (Rudi).

[SHODAN]

No

[SaulGoodman]

I don’t particularly care about any of them right now tbh

[Centre Hawf]

Maybe just me but I don’t see anything in Rudi to suggest he’s going to be a good player at this level. Massively overrated by Gray and wasn’t even the best youth player in the youth side. Love to be proved wrong but he’s not a player I see in a team sheet and get excited about. All I see is the club taking a punt on a young player in hope. Bit like Monty did with Rory. They’re both not even close to this level of football but time is on their side. A loan would have been much better for his development (Rudi).

Has potential but the only reason he’s playing is because of how atrocious the other options are in his area of the park. It’s not his fault but he’s not good enough currently to be starting for us.

[B.H.F.C]

I’ve just been thinking what players we need to replace but have actually started to wonder who would we actually keep. Given we have problems in every area of the park and we’ve also got a few loans, I’m thinking Bowie and maybe another season out of Boyle. Apart from that I’m struggling.

It’s just a revolving door. We were having the same conversation a year ago. And the year before that.

In answer to the question, no very many. I still think we have attacking players who can do more. We’re failing to get the most from them, partly on them but partly to do with the way we set up.

[we are hibs]

I really like the look of Molotnikov. But he's going to suffer a bit I reckon this season. Firstly due to being surrounded in a team full of average/poor players. Secondly he's going to have to play a hell of a lot of football at 18 because the alternative is such a poor option. Usually you would bleed a young player in and maybe bring him back out the fold to protect him for a wee bit but I don't think we have that option right now as hes significantly better than Campbell.

Unless we move Hoilett central but even then we are relying on Nicky Cadden out wide who hasn't looked up to much or Youan who's a complete lottery of a player regarding whether he's going to be arsed or not.

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[Callum_62]

Maybe just me but I don’t see anything in Rudi to suggest he’s going to be a good player at this level. Massively overrated by Gray and wasn’t even the best youth player in the youth side. Love to be proved wrong but he’s not a player I see in a team sheet and get excited about. All I see is the club taking a punt on a young player in hope. Bit like Monty did with Rory. They’re both not even close to this level of football but time is on their side. A loan would have been much better for his development (Rudi).Rudi has something but needs much more development before he should be a regular starter

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[Callum_62]

I'd build the team around Josh Campbell to be fair

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[Nicho87]

Megwa
Rudi
Bowie

Captain fantastic we need a boo boy

[Ozyhibby]

Questions about the squad don’t really matter just now until our bloated management are gone.


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[random sub]

Rebuild from scratch, build a balanced team with fighting spirit.

[Northernhibee]

The more away the better. Top to bottom. So scunnered with everything.

[Chorley Hibee]

Maybe just me but I don’t see anything in Rudi to suggest he’s going to be a good player at this level. Massively overrated by Gray and wasn’t even the best youth player in the youth side. Love to be proved wrong but he’s not a player I see in a team sheet and get excited about. All I see is the club taking a punt on a young player in hope. Bit like Monty did with Rory. They’re both not even close to this level of football but time is on their side. A loan would have been much better for his development (Rudi).

Absolutely spot on.

I understand people's willingness to support youngsters in their first steps in the first team, but, eventually, you have to be offering something and proving your worth.

I don't see much from Molotnikov to suggest he's currently at this level.

[B.H.F.C]

Absolutely spot on.

I understand people's willingness to support youngsters in their first steps in the first team, but, eventually, you have to be offering something and proving your worth.

I don't see much from Molotnikov to suggest he's currently at this level.

Molotnikov did well off the left in the league cup games. He’s miles off being able to play that central role on the league though. And is only being asked to do so because of yet more failings in the summer (remember there was only one attacking midfielder in the whole world that we were able to go for).

[JohnM1875]

Absolutely spot on.

I understand people's willingness to support youngsters in their first steps in the first team, but, eventually, you have to be offering something and proving your worth.

I don't see much from Molotnikov to suggest he's currently at this level.

I mean surely we're still at the supporting youngster stage at this point? He's 18!. If we're at the stage where we'd happily chuck promising youngsters then it's worse than I thought.

He's not long scored three goals for Scotland U-19's

[Chorley Hibee]

I mean surely we're still at the supporting youngster stage at this point? He's 18!. If we're at the stage where we'd happily chuck promising youngsters then it's worse than I thought.

He's not long scored three goals for Scotland U-19's

I support him, but I support Hibs more.

Currently, I don't think he's adding anything.

I agree with the poster above who said that he's never a 10, and our ****ing stupidity in having no back-up option to McCowan has led to this.

I'd have Youan back and Hoilett moved into a central position.

[PH91]

There aren't any players worth keeping and that tells a story.

The recruitment over the last 5 years has been absolutely abysmal. Player after bang average at best player coming in and having no positive impact at all.

Until the current recruitment team is replaced we will see the same p*sh week after week regardless of manager.

[GreenCastle]

I can’t think of a captain.

I can’t think of someone who is paying well every week.

I can’t think of anyone I would build my team around.

Honestly it’s that bad and frustrating we have made such a mess of recruitment.

Bowie looked like potential but is he another injury dud offloaded to us?

I don’t have a favourite player - I had zero appetite to watch this team train at free open training as they are just full of below par level players.

Such a sad state of things at the club.

[basehibby]

This should really be an end of season thread - or Jan?. In the wake of yesterday's late capitulation you can't blame us for wanting shot of the lot of them.

[GreenCastle]

Correct me if wrong…

Out of contract or loans leaving at end of season..

Bursik - loan -
Boruc
Rocky
Cadden
Miller ?
Triantis - loan
Myko - loan
Kwon - loan
Amos
JDH
Kenneh
Boyle
Gayle
Hoilett
Mckirdy
Youan

Leaves us with…

Smith GK - not good enough
Iredale - not a starter
Obita - need better
Newell till 2027 ! - need better
O’Hora - need better
Ekpiteta-need better
Rudi - not ready yet
N.Cadden till 2027 ! - need better
Levitt - need better
MNW - need better
Bowie - potential but injury prone ??
Megwa - need better
Campbell- need better deal till 2027

That’s a worrying list on both sides..

Players leaving - plenty here who know time is up and won’t be staying around for possibly championship football.

Those staying - some awful deals and apart from Bowie not exactly inspiring.

[Real Emerald]

Correct me if wrong…

Out of contract or loans leaving at end of season..

Bursik - loan -
Boruc
Rocky
Cadden
Miller ?
Triantis - loan
Myko - loan
Kwon - loan
Amos
Campbell
JDH
Kenneh
Boyle
Gayle
Hoilett
Mckirdy
Youan

Leaves us with…

Smith GK - not good enough
Iredale - not a starter
Obita - need better
Newell till 2027 ! - need better
O’Hora - need better
Rudi - not ready yet
N.Cadden till 2027 ! - need better
Levitt - need better
MNW - need better
Bowie - potential but injury prone ??

That’s a worrying list on both sides..

Players leaving - plenty here who know time is up and won’t be staying around for possibly championship football.

Those staying - some awful deals and apart from Bowie not exactly inspiring.

I’d even forgotten about Amos, what signing he’s been.

[GreenCastle]

I’d even forgotten about Amos, what signing he’s been.

It’s odd as he played pre-season then hasn’t been involved since transfer window shut.

Think he’s played 190 mins of football since he’s arrived - just over 2 full games worth.

[Heisenberg]

Bowie, Obita and Rudi and that's pretty much it. So ****ing grim.

Actually Marv has been alright after a bad start and I like Hoilett but can't see him hanging around.

Obita is just as bad as the rest. Woeful defender

[flash]

Obita is just as bad as the rest. Woeful defender

He is a nice footballer with a great delivery but he simply can't defend.

[overdrive]

I would say none of them as they are all mince but knowing the Gordon regime, they would all be replaced with far worse.

[PHeffernan]

Correct me if wrong…

Out of contract or loans leaving at end of season..

Bursik - loan -
Boruc
Rocky
Cadden
Miller ?
Triantis - loan
Myko - loan
Kwon - loan
Amos
Campbell
JDH
Kenneh
Boyle
Gayle
Hoilett
Mckirdy
Youan

Leaves us with…

Smith GK - not good enough
Iredale - not a starter
Obita - need better
Newell till 2027 ! - need better
O’Hora - need better
Rudi - not ready yet
N.Cadden till 2027 ! - need better
Levitt - need better
MNW - need better
Bowie - potential but injury prone ??
Erik Potato - playing well now after a poor start

That’s a worrying list on both sides..

Players leaving - plenty here who know time is up and won’t be staying around for possibly championship football.

Those staying - some awful deals and apart from Bowie not exactly inspiring.

You forgot our right sided centre half who will be here next season. Added in bold above.
The likes of young McAllister is out of contract in the summer so Hibs best get a move on if they want to keep him and others in the same boat.

So 11 current first teamers left for next season, or 10 if you don't count Smith who i'm pretty sure is hopeless. 17 players out if none given new deals, plus the likes of young O'Connor, will allow 10 new players to be brought in, plus the youngsters returning from loan including Megwa who will be 21 in March.

[Albert Kidd 86’]

Correct me if wrong…

Out of contract or loans leaving at end of season..

Bursik - loan -
Boruc
Rocky
Cadden
Miller ?
Triantis - loan
Myko - loan
Kwon - loan
Amos
Campbell
JDH
Kenneh
Boyle
Gayle
Hoilett
Mckirdy
Youan

Leaves us with…

Smith GK - not good enough
Iredale - not a starter
Obita - need better
Newell till 2027 ! - need better
O’Hora - need better
Rudi - not ready yet
N.Cadden till 2027 ! - need better
Levitt - need better
MNW - need better
Bowie - potential but injury prone ??

That’s a worrying list on both sides..

Players leaving - plenty here who know time is up and won’t be staying around for possibly championship football.

Those staying - some awful deals and apart from Bowie not exactly inspiring.

Even more worrying is that there are only 2 or perhaps 3 from the”leaves us with” list who will start on Sunday.

[Yorkshire HFC]

It’s just a revolving door. We were having the same conversation a year ago. And the year before that.

In answer to the question, no very many. I still think we have attacking players who can do more. We’re failing to get the most from them, partly on them but partly to do with the way we set up.

The answers to this thread just reinforce the failure of the recruitment policy. I said on another thread that we should be spending 90% of the cash of 3 good players to build the team around then complete the team with what is left and what we bring through - rather than just signing every random player who sends his agent up to Edinburgh. But this idea didn't seem to get much support.

[Onion]

There aren't any players worth keeping and that tells a story.

The recruitment over the last 5 years has been absolutely abysmal. Player after bang average at best player coming in and having no positive impact at all.

Until the current recruitment team is replaced we will see the same p*sh week after week regardless of manager.

This thread is pretty damning. Key players such as our captain get stick for poor performances, lack of presence and stupid decision-making as if it's personal but IMO he's just the natural focal point for general frustration with what we've seen and had to endure over the last few years under this Ownership. We were given renewed hope when BKG stepped in with decent money and promises of great loan deals, but that's evaporated.

Hanlon / Stephenson were not perfect. But they were a last connection to a more successful, enjoyable past.

[GreenCastle]

You forgot our right sided centre half who will be here next season. Added in bold above.
The likes of young McAllister is out of contract in the summer so Hibs best get a move on if they want to keep him and others in the same boat.

So 11 current first teamers left for next season, or 10 if you don't count Smith who i'm pretty sure is hopeless. 17 players out if none given new deals, plus the likes of young O'Connor, will allow 10 new players to be brought in, plus the youngsters returning from loan including Megwa who will be 21 in March.

McAllister - we paid a decent fee for a youth player but that’s an expensive fee for him just to play youth football.

[Jones28]

Bowie and Rocky, Rudi if he isn't being relied on week in week out - don't think he's at that level yet. Some of the young lads coming through too but I don't know enough about them to say who should be here. Megwa? I'd rather see him at RB than either of the current incumbents.

O'Hora and Marv I think have potential but are being let down by ***** cover from the full backs and having a goalie they can't rely on behind them.

[McGruber]

2 takeaways reading this thread

Brought in 12 this window under Gray and Malky. If keeping none or only a few then recruitment not fixed and new structure another failure.

Widely accepted young players coming in will need some time and support, their form will go up and down with good and bad games expected- Rudi at 17, 18.. comes in does well, little dip in form.. bad game.. the 'never a player/not good enough posts start'.

[WestStandWillie]

Poor Jordan Smith has been written off already.

[Jones28]

2 takeaways reading this thread

Brought in 12 this window under Gray and Malky. If keeping none or only a few then recruitment not fixed and new structure another failure.

Widely accepted young players coming in will need some time and support, their form will go up and down with good and bad games expected- Rudi at 17, 18.. comes in does well, little dip in form.. bad game.. the 'never a player/not good enough posts start'.

Symptomatic of where we are as a club unfortunately. FWIW I do think the youngsters will be afforded more time, but at the moment when you're bottom of the league and getting nothing right patience will wear thin very quickly.

This is a message-board though, and at an actual game Rudi will get a lot more time from the stands than he will online. I said on another thread that in the first half on saturday he wasn't anything like impactful or effective enough and was too slack in possession, I think when he was shunted left in the 2nd half he looked a lot more comfortable.

[Bostonhibby]

Questions about the squad don’t really matter just now until our bloated management are gone.


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I made the last bit up, but it does seem disproportionate, especially given the level of "achievement" so far.

I'd keep Bowie, Molotnikov, Megwa, O'Hora - Hoilett and Gayle short term - from what I've seen so far.

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[BoomtownHibees]

Bowie and Rocky, Rudi if he isn't being relied on week in week out - don't think he's at that level yet. Some of the young lads coming through too but I don't know enough about them to say who should be here. Megwa? I'd rather see him at RB than either of the current incumbents.

O'Hora and Marv I think have potential but are being let down by ***** cover from the full backs and having a goalie they can't rely on behind them.

You’d keep Rocky? As in give him a new deal?

[Jones28]

You’d keep Rocky? As in give him a new deal?

Meh, I don't know if I'd offer him a new deal, but if it was a case of a ripping up contracts I'm not sure he'd be on my list. I like him a lot.

[Coco Bryce]

Correct me if wrong…

Out of contract or loans leaving at end of season..

Bursik - loan -
Boruc
Rocky
Cadden
Miller ?
Triantis - loan
Myko - loan
Kwon - loan
Amos
Campbell
JDH
Kenneh
Boyle
Gayle
Hoilett
Mckirdy
Youan

Leaves us with…

Smith GK - not good enough
Iredale - not a starter
Obita - need better
Newell till 2027 ! - need better
O’Hora - need better
Ekpiteta-need better
Rudi - not ready yet
N.Cadden till 2027 ! - need better
Levitt - need better
MNW - need better
Bowie - potential but injury prone ??
Megwa - need better

That’s a worrying list on both sides..

Players leaving - plenty here who know time is up and won’t be staying around for possibly championship football.

Those staying - some awful deals and apart from Bowie not exactly inspiring.

Wow!! That list is frightening!

What a pile of ***** we have on our books.

[PHeffernan]

McAllister - we paid a decent fee for a youth player but that’s an expensive fee for him just to play youth football.

We paid a fee for McAllister based on his potential. He is still only 18 and not 19 until next summer so still very much developing. He's on loan in the 3rd tier at Cove until January.

Folk will point to Rudi M being the same age but he is far more physically developed than Reuben, which has propelled him into the first team although in truth his decision making is still that of a player of his age and he would be better served with a loan to the Championship as Megwa, Aiken and Johnson currently have.

Josh O'Connor appears to be the only young guy close to the Hibs exit door at this time after returning from Dundalk who have just been relegated.

[SQHib]

Josh Campbell needs added to the leaves us with list ... we signed him in February to new long term deal till Summer 2027


As does Delferriere ... signed till summer 2026


Youan here till 2026 too . if he's not away before then !

[PHeffernan]

Josh Campbell needs added to the leaves us with list ... we signed him in February to new long term deal till Summer 2027

Good spot, brings us up to 12 current first team players currently remaining at Hibs after May 31st 2025

[Saint Hibee]

I'm a bit surprised at some of the negative comments about Rudi. I thought he was actually our best player on Saturday. Yes, he sometimes loses the ball, but he's one of the only players who actually proactively heads towards the opposition goal! I think he's really good.

[Jim Scotts hat trick]

[QUOTE=Coco Bryce;7795188]Wow!! That list is frightening!

What a pile of ***** we have on our books.[/r ]

If this squad of players start winning games and by the end of the season finish say in the top six and looking decent are we still going to bin , going by this forum pretty much everyone or maybe say they are starting to gel and turn things around .

[GreenCastle]

Wow!! That list is frightening!

What a pile of ***** we have on our books.[/r ]

If this squad of players start winning games and by the end of the season finish say in the top six and looking decent are we still going to bin , going by this forum pretty much everyone or maybe say they are starting to gel and turn things around .

Only time will tell but they have a lot of making up to do.

Plus a lot of posters on this site have been spot on about our decline and certain players not being good enough. There are enough folk on this forum who understand the levels required and some of our players have been way off it.

[Coco Bryce]

[QUOTE=Coco Bryce;7795188]Wow!! That list is frightening!

What a pile of ***** we have on our books.[/r ]

If this squad of players start winning games and by the end of the season finish say in the top six and looking decent are we still going to bin , going by this forum pretty much everyone or maybe say they are starting to gel and turn things around .

If my Auntie had baws...

Top six isn't an achievement in this league :rolleyes:

[LNHibs]

A massive emphasis needs to be put on our youth teams. The lack of Hibs players coming through in the last decade is absolutely shocking and the guys in the academy have alot to answer for imo. Porteous and Campbell the only ones i can think that we have brought through in recent years, Doig and Cummings but they were only here a year before they were in the 1st team so I don't class them as proper academy graduates.

I'd rather we blooded more guys in and gave them a chance rather than signing these lower league donkeys. You are not telling me there are better midfielders than Amos & JDH in our youth set up, and if there arn't then why? Is it the coaching or is it the recruitment at that level?

Tim Sherwood made a great point a few years ago re Renato Sanches for Swansea for how bad he was and saying if he was a youth player he'd never be seen again

"If this boy put these performances on, not just today, but since he's been at the football club, if that was a kid from the academy, you would never, ever see him again. You would never, ever see him again. Why is he getting more opportunities?''

[Paulie Walnuts]

A massive emphasis needs to be put on our youth teams. The lack of Hibs players coming through in the last decade is absolutely shocking and the guys in the academy have alot to answer for imo. Porteous and Campbell the only ones i can think that we have brought through in recent years, Doig and Cummings but they were only here a year before they were in the 1st team so I don't class them as proper academy graduates.

I'd rather we blooded more guys in and gave them a chance rather than signing these lower league donkeys. You are not telling me there are better midfielders than Amos & JDH in our youth set up, and if there arn't then why? Is it the coaching or is it the recruitment at that level?

Tim Sherwood made a great point a few years ago re Renato Sanches for Swansea for how bad he was and saying if he was a youth player he'd never be seen again

"If this boy put these performances on, not just today, but since he's been at the football club, if that was a kid from the academy, you would never, ever see him again. You would never, ever see him again. Why is he getting more opportunities?''

Whilst admittedly not masses, I’ve seen a handful of our academy games most seasons for the past 5 or 6 years. There’s nobody we’ve had that I have felt should have had more of an opportunity. The sad fact is we just don’t produce very good players.

[The Modfather]

Whilst admittedly not masses, I’ve seen a handful of our academy games most seasons for the past 5 or 6 years. There’s nobody we’ve had that I have felt should have had more of an opportunity. The sad fact is we just don’t produce very good players.

How much money could we have put towards a better starting 11 if our squad fillers were our own youngsters rather than the likes of Amos, NMW, JDH, Kenneh, Wollacot, Devlin, Hope, Schofield etc etc collecting a substantial wage for little return and occasionally filling a slot on the bench.

[Paulie Walnuts]

How much money could we have put towards a better starting 11 if our squad fillers were our own youngsters rather than the likes of Amos, NMW, JDH, Kenneh, Wollacot, Devlin, Hope, Schofield etc etc collecting a substantial wage for little return and occasionally filling a slot on the bench.

We probably could have put more towards our starting 11 by having young guys on the bench. As much as I don’t rate the guys you’ve mentioned though, they’re a lot better than anyone that’s come through the academy in the last 15 years or so. You just have to look at the level the academy graduates end up dropping to. The players we’ve been producing since HTC opened have been nowhere near the level required, with about 4 exceptions (Porteous, Cummings, Doig and arguably Campbell).

[Jones28]

Whilst admittedly not masses, I’ve seen a handful of our academy games most seasons for the past 5 or 6 years. There’s nobody we’ve had that I have felt should have had more of an opportunity. The sad fact is we just don’t produce very good players.

Is there anyone in the current crop who have a decent enough chance?

It's quite scary to think how little the youth development pathways are producing, considering they're probably getting more money than ever spent on them.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Is there anyone in the current crop who have a decent enough chance?

It's quite scary to think how little the youth development pathways are producing, considering they're probably getting more money than ever spent on them.

I’ve not seen any games this season. To be honest I’m completely scunnered with the whole club so I’ve stayed away from pretty much everything to do with it.

[Smartie]

Meh, I don't know if I'd offer him a new deal, but if it was a case of a ripping up contracts I'm not sure he'd be on my list. I like him a lot.

It looks to me like in O’Hora and Ekpiteta we’ve signed 2 players who are no better and no worse than Rocky, all of whom would be decent enough RCB options to play alongside somebody who is a natural LCB.

Until this season I wasn’t really convinced about the necessity for the LCB to be left footed, but all of these players when played there look like RCBs trying to make the best of the situation.

[snedzuk]

When you see the keep list, I dont envy whoever is putting the next season ticket campaign together.

[keep the faith]

Would keep Bowie and Newell. The rest can go.