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Springbank
19-10-2024, 07:38 PM
After today's rollercoaster we learned Cadden is utterly done, devoid of confidence

Newell is suspended

Gayle shows up all our forwards with the higher intensity of his press & workrate, plus he scores

We know we need to play the game up the other end as we are a bombscare at the back

We know hearts are a small team lacking in physicality

So the team for me is : pick your best players & play them

Myko
Hoillett gayle Boyle
Triantis Kwon
Obita oHora Ekpiteta Miller
Bursik

Northernhibee
19-10-2024, 07:41 PM
Smith

Ekpiteta
O’Hora
Iredale

Boyle
Obita


Triantis
Kwon
Hoilett

Gayle
Myko

Unseen work
19-10-2024, 07:42 PM
……………..………Boruc………

………O’Hora…Ekpiteta….Iredale…

Miller……….Kwon……..Triantis……Obita……

……………………Hoilett……

……………..Boyle…….Myk…..

JohnM1875
19-10-2024, 07:42 PM
Smith

Ekpiteta
O’Hora
Iredale

Boyle
Obita


Triantis
Kwon
Hoilett

Gayle
Myko

x2

Widhibs
19-10-2024, 07:43 PM
Just watched both games on Sportscene. Not sure what we should do..

SteveHFC
19-10-2024, 07:45 PM
x2

X3.

Hopefully Campbell is nowhere near the bench.

Hibees1973
19-10-2024, 07:47 PM
Can't really provide a team now.

Confidence will be destroyed after today.

Even a highly unlikely win just papers over the cracks.

IberianHibernian
19-10-2024, 07:57 PM
Can't really provide a team now.

Confidence will be destroyed after today.

Even a highly unlikely win just papers over the cracks.Why is it highly unlikely that we beat a team that has done even worse than us in the league especially as they have a big match 3 days before ? I`ll be disappointed if we draw next week and I hope the players and management think the same .

Lago
19-10-2024, 08:01 PM
Why is it highly unlikely that we beat a team that has done even worse than us in the league especially as they have a big match 3 days before ? I`ll be disappointed if we draw next week and I hope the players and management think the same .
Hope springs eternal

Springbank
19-10-2024, 08:13 PM
I think a front 4 of hoillett Boyle myko & gayle should cause hearts plenty problems

IberianHibernian
19-10-2024, 08:17 PM
I think a front 4 of hoillett Boyle myko & gayle should cause hearts plenty problemsEspecially with Triantis back . He was a big miss today .

Springbank
19-10-2024, 08:18 PM
Especially with Triantis back . He was a big miss today .

Agree👍

chrisski33
19-10-2024, 08:20 PM
Why is it highly unlikely that we beat a team that has done even worse than us in the league especially as they have a big match 3 days before ? I`ll be disappointed if we draw next week and I hope the players and management think the same .

The league by goal difference says otherwise! We are as ***** as one another but think they will beat us and move on up the league sadly

Iain G
19-10-2024, 08:22 PM
After today's rollercoaster we learned Cadden is utterly done, devoid of confidence

Newell is suspended

Gayle shows up all our forwards with the higher intensity of his press & workrate, plus he scores

We know we need to play the game up the other end as we are a bombscare at the back

We know hearts are a small team lacking in physicality

So the team for me is : pick your best players & play them

Myko
Hoillett gayle Boyle
Triantis Kwon
Obita oHora Ekpiteta Miller
Bursik

I guess staying Myko in goal and Bursic up front could work?! 😁

LunasBoots
19-10-2024, 08:26 PM
Why is it highly unlikely that we beat a team that has done even worse than us in the league especially as they have a big match 3 days before ? I`ll be disappointed if we draw next week and I hope the players and management think the same .

Because our record is appalling, Gunts have a manager getting a tune out of there players now and we dont

Springbank
19-10-2024, 08:46 PM
Because our record is appalling, Gunts have a manager getting a tune out of there players now and we dont

I don't agree

Best form of defence is attack

And all our best players are forwards (Boyle Hoillett Gayle Miko)

HibeeMackenzie
19-10-2024, 08:56 PM
John burridge
Rocky ekpiteta iredale
Boyle kwon Triantis Obita
Hoilett Gayle youan

Jim44
19-10-2024, 09:36 PM
We are heading for certain defeat in the derby unless we can do something outside the box, which, unfortunately, Gray is incapable of.
Next game will see us stranded at the bottom of the league with few prospects.

B.H.F.C
19-10-2024, 09:40 PM
He just needs to go for it. We can’t defend so wouldn’t bother concentrating on that too much. Get the attacking players on the park and get on the front foot.

He's here!
20-10-2024, 12:01 AM
Not really any mileage in debating the line-up. We must have tried most permutations already and none of them are much good.

Crutch
20-10-2024, 12:28 AM
I don't agree

Best form of defence is attack

And all our best players are forwards (Boyle Hoillett Gayle Miko)
Wouldn’t have Myk anywhere near the category of our best players personally. Far from our biggest issue right enough…

Springbank
20-10-2024, 07:42 AM
Not really any mileage in debating the line-up. We must have tried most permutations already and none of them are much good.

I don't agree.

We have been the better team at Ibrox, Rugby Park, Tannadice & let daft errors & missed penalties cost us serious points, same at home vs Motherwell (imo)

Middle to front we have ways to hurt the jambos

Kwon & Triantis are better than Hearts holding midis

Boyle
Hoillett
Gayle
All have goals in them

(Youan if he's motivated)

Callum_62
20-10-2024, 08:00 AM
If probably go

Bursik

Marv
OHora
Iredale

Boyle
Obita

Triantis
Kwon
Hoilett

Myko
Gayle

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sauzee1989
20-10-2024, 08:04 AM
Samson

gray
Obita
Marv
O’Hora

Triantis
Kwon
Hoilet

Boyle
Youan
Gayle

B.H.F.C
20-10-2024, 08:10 AM
I don't agree.

We have been the better team at Ibrox, Rugby Park, Tannadice & let daft errors & missed penalties cost us serious points, same at home vs Motherwell (imo)

Middle to front we have ways to hurt the jambos

Kwon & Triantis are better than Hearts holding midis

Boyle
Hoillett
Gayle
All have goals in them

(Youan if he's motivated)

Three times we’ve been leading going in to injury time and three times we’ve thrown away points.

I’m not for a minute saying we’re good, we’re clearly not. But we’ve done plenty right over the course of the games to be in those positions at that point of the games. Problem is we just can’t cope with the pressure when it gets to that point. No leadership, lack of grit and determination to keep the ball out of the net, lack of concentration and whatever else. Bad decision making from the sideline in those games as well, bringing on Rocky and changing shape against Dundee when leading along with that double sub yesterday.

I don’t expect us to turn up, pose no threat and be comprehensively outplayed next week. It’s not some kind of lost cause but we’ll no doubt manage to cause ourselves problems out of very little.

JimBHibees
20-10-2024, 08:24 AM
Smith

Ekpiteta
O’Hora
Iredale

Boyle
Obita


Triantis
Kwon
Hoilett

Gayle
Myko

Same team apart from i would genuinely play Rocky right centre back with Marv in the middle. Personally think Ohora is a very poor defender and is getting away with a lot. Other possible option would be starting Miller wing back with Boyle impact sub.

McGruber
20-10-2024, 08:25 AM
I don't agree.

We have been the better team at Ibrox, Rugby Park, Tannadice & let daft errors & missed penalties cost us serious points, same at home vs Motherwell (imo)

Middle to front we have ways to hurt the jambos

Kwon & Triantis are better than Hearts holding midis

Boyle
Hoillett
Gayle
All have goals in them

(Youan if he's motivated)

The daft errors, missed penalties etc aren't the reasons, they are the consequence of the reason - that our squad is weak willed, leaderless and packed with habitual losers.

Playing well in games and being the better team in passages of play is redundant if it doesn't end in wins and 3 points. That's all that matters and our team don't have enough balls to see things over the line.

Hearts will turn us over, no doubt about it.

Springbank
20-10-2024, 10:54 AM
Personally I think our forwards are capable of scoring 2 against a slow hearts defence

Can we limit them to 1 or less is the question

I'm going hibs 2 hearts 1
Boyle & Gayle to score

Tambo
20-10-2024, 11:19 AM
Smith

Rocky
Ekpiteta
Iredale

Miller
Obita

Kwon
Triantis
Hoilett/Rudi

Boyle
Gayle

Yes I have Rocky and Miller both starting, there is no way we can go with the same combination of Miller RB and Cadden RM/RW.

Hearts will throw cross after cross into the box as that's they way to beat this Hibs team at the moment, Smith can't be any worse than Bursik?

andrew70
20-10-2024, 11:21 AM
352 please

Smith
O’Hora, Ekpiteta, Iredale
Boyle Triantis Levitt Kwon Obita
Myk Gayle

My only worry is Boyle up against Penrice and Spittal as he can’t defend at all.

flash
20-10-2024, 11:24 AM
352 please

Smith
O’Hora, Ekpiteta, Iredale
Boyle Triantis Levitt Kwon Obita
Myk Gayle

My only worry is Boyle up against Penrice and Spittal as he can’t defend at all.

That would be my team with the only caveat being I have absolutely no idea whatsoever who should be in goals.

In the ideal world a fit and flying Elie would be in there but doesn't look likely.

andrew70
20-10-2024, 11:58 AM
That would be my team with the only caveat being I have absolutely no idea whatsoever who should be in goals.

In the ideal world a fit and flying Elie would be in there but doesn't look likely.

Elie is being mistreated imo very rarely even warms up.

Something very strange going on there.

Yes, goalkeeper is a major worry.

kentao
20-10-2024, 11:59 AM
3-4-3

Bursic

Iredale
Ekpiteta
O'Hora

Cadden
Kwon
Triantis
Obita

Boyle
Mykola
Hoilett

Unseen work
20-10-2024, 12:04 PM
Elie is being mistreated imo very rarely even warms up.

Something very strange going on there.

Yes, goalkeeper is a major worry.

Agree about Elie, give him a chance for a couple of games and I dare say he’ll find his form and be a threat

He must see who is playing ahead of him and being subbed on ahead of him and think wtf

SHODAN
20-10-2024, 12:49 PM
Bursik

Cadden O'Hora Ekpiteta Iredale Obita

Triantis Kwon Molotnikov

Boyle Hoilett

B.H.F.C
20-10-2024, 01:58 PM
Some random from the crowd in goals.

Miller
Ekpiteta
O’Hora
Obita

Boyle
Triantis
Kwon
Hoilett

Myko
Gayle

Sticking with the same back line seems mental but there is such a lack of alternatives.

Coco Bryce
20-10-2024, 01:59 PM
Elie is being mistreated imo very rarely even warms up.

Something very strange going on there.

Yes, goalkeeper is a major worry.

He has no interest in playing for Hibs anymore.

flash
20-10-2024, 02:04 PM
He has no interest in playing for Hibs anymore.

I would still play him or at least bring him on.

Hibby Kay-Yay
20-10-2024, 02:04 PM
Bursic

Miller Marv O’Hora Obita

Rudi Kwon Triantis Hoillet

Boyle Myko

andrew70
20-10-2024, 02:12 PM
He has no interest in playing for Hibs anymore.

if that’s the case why is he on the bench?

surely Gray isn’t that weak?

Heisenberg
20-10-2024, 02:19 PM
Saw earlier we are favourites on Bet365. Imagine that’ll change by the time we get to kick off next weekend.

staunchhibby
20-10-2024, 02:23 PM
It's a damage limitation fixture

B.H.F.C
20-10-2024, 02:24 PM
Saw earlier we are favourites on Bet365. Imagine that’ll change by the time we get to kick off next weekend.

Us 13/10 and and them 15/8 on Skybet. Think that’ll close up slightly and we’ll be a fairly similar price come kick off.

I think most neutrals would be backing a draw. Two poor teams and probably a poor game to follow.

supermcginn
20-10-2024, 02:24 PM
Smith

Boyle ekpiteta o'hora iredale obita

Kwon Triantis

Hoilett

Gayle Myko

LEaston87
20-10-2024, 02:34 PM
—————Smith

——-Ohora Ekpiteta Iredale

Boyle — Triantis Kwon — Obita

——————- Hoilett

—————-Youan Gayle

B.H.F.C
20-10-2024, 02:35 PM
I don’t mind the look of the 352 but I’m not sure about playing Boyle as a wing back. He was fine for that 5 or 6 years ago but not so sure now. He did it for a bit yesterday and was next to no threat going forward then fell on his arse going back the way.

Springbank
20-10-2024, 02:37 PM
I think you'll be surprised how wee the hearts line up is

There's a lot to be said for physicality in these games & Miller (with all his faults) needs to start over Cadden imo

Bursik

Miller
Marv
OHora
Obita

Kwon
Triantis

Boyle
Gayle
Hoillett

Myko99

It's a test of character
That's my XI to pass the test
2-1 Hibs

Coco Bryce
20-10-2024, 02:40 PM
if that’s the case why is he on the bench?

surely Gray isn’t that weak?

He is contractually obliged to play if selected but he's not interested in playing for Hibs. Maybe Gray is just picking him as we have nobody else? He's not playing him though.

flash
20-10-2024, 02:42 PM
It's a damage limitation fixture

My erse. It's Hertz not Celtic.

B.H.F.C
20-10-2024, 02:44 PM
He is contractually obliged to play if selected but he's not interested in playing for Hibs. Maybe Gray is just picking him as we have nobody else? He's not playing him though.

Whether it’s for us or himself he’s going to need to start doing something or he’s not going to have anyone queuing up to take him off our hands.

MWHIBBIES
21-10-2024, 04:50 AM
Agree about Elie, give him a chance for a couple of games and I dare say he’ll find his form and be a threat

He must see who is playing ahead of him and being subbed on ahead of him and think wtf

He was worse against St Johnstone than anyone playing instead of him has been.

Iain G
21-10-2024, 06:18 AM
Bursic

Miller Marv O'Hora Iredale Obita

Kwon Triantis

Boyle Hoillet

Myko

Go long, hit Myko, layoff to Boyle or Hoilett or Kwon (who can hit a shot from distance). Or go wide and get Miller and Obita physically one on one with the yam full backs and get balls into that box. Would be tempted to start Gayle ahead of either Boyle or Hoilett, playing off Myko.

It's Scottish football, not Serie A, and our blokes are bigger than their blokes

sauzeelegod
21-10-2024, 07:37 AM
442 diamond

Jim Leighton

Cadden
Marv
O’Hora
Obita

Triantis
Kwon
Levitt
Hoilett

Boyle
Gayle

AlbertK86
21-10-2024, 08:52 AM
Smith

Ekpiteta
O’Hora
Iredale

Boyle
Obita


Triantis
Kwon
Hoilett

Gayle
Myko

That’s the team for me

Miller and Campbell should be nowhere near the starting line up.

Neither learn their lessons and continue to make the same dreadful errors every week.

We looked better (until Newell sent off) when we were 3-5-2.

Thought Iredale looked solid and very composed on ball.

Gayle knows what spaces to drift into and albeit Myko has been struggling I think having somebody beside him will help.


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Hibees1973
21-10-2024, 07:19 PM
Gray is almost in the last chance saloon.

He has to drop Bursik and Miller. Could drop many others but if he picks these two again it is unforgivable.

Franck Stanton
21-10-2024, 07:45 PM
Doesn't matter what team/ formation we play as long as we have that huddy Borsic in goal. I swear that we could pick anyone out of the crowd to do better than him.

1875Sean
21-10-2024, 09:30 PM
Bursic

Miller Marv O'Hora Iredale Obita

Kwon Triantis

Boyle Hoillet

Myko

Go long, hit Myko, layoff to Boyle or Hoilett or Kwon (who can hit a shot from distance). Or go wide and get Miller and Obita physically one on one with the yam full backs and get balls into that box. Would be tempted to start Gayle ahead of either Boyle or Hoilett, playing off Myko.

It's Scottish football, not Serie A, and our blokes are bigger than their blokes

Sound like malky, get the big lumps of players playing, too bad they have no ability hence why we are bottom

Nicho87
21-10-2024, 09:37 PM
Smith / Boruc

O’Hora Ekpiteta Iredale

Cadden Kwon Triantis Obita

Boyle Hoillett

Myk

007
21-10-2024, 10:37 PM
Just watched both games on Sportscene. Not sure what we should do..

Is that you Sir David? 🤔

Tambo
21-10-2024, 10:48 PM
Do we think they will go with 4-4-2? Obviously no idea how they played for the 90 minutes but I assume there was little changes here and there?

4-4-2 vs 4-4-2.. man for man... Let's see if our players care and want it or not.

Donegal Hibby
21-10-2024, 11:26 PM
Been thinking on our team for the Derby and we generally play 4-2-3-1 .. we did against Motherwell and St Johnstone at home so it’s down to who plays where and this is my team with some reasons…..

Bursik … know he made errors in last game though wouldn’t be changing him when the other guys hardly played.

Miller … personally I thought Miller looked a bit jaded against Dundee Utd which I think is understandable though I think he doesn’t shirk from a battle and good character.

Ekpiteta …physically strong , good in the air .

O’Hora … our best option.

Obita .. see above even though he worries me defensively.

Triantis… player I rate , glad to have him back for this one .

NMW/Campbell … work rate and energy. *

Boyle … our best player who will hopefully cause them problems.

Kwon … mad choice maybe for this role though would like to see him get a chance in this role purely because I think he’s been unlucky with some excellent shots from outside the box .

Hoilett … think the guys been one of our better players recently and for me should play on the LW.

Myko… really tough one between him and Gayle after his goal though think Myko put in a shift against Utd and his physical strength might ruffle them up which you need at times in a derby.

* would have had Newell in if he was available .. didn’t consider Youan for the starting line up as I don’t know what’s going on there , next to Boyle he’s our most dangerous player though.

supermcginn
22-10-2024, 08:20 AM
Been thinking on our team for the Derby and we generally play 4-2-3-1 .. we did against Motherwell and St Johnstone at home so it’s down to who plays where and this is my team with some reasons…..

Bursik … know he made errors in last game though wouldn’t be changing him when the other guys hardly played.

Miller … personally I thought Miller looked a bit jaded against Dundee Utd which I think is understandable though I think he doesn’t shirk from a battle and good character.

Ekpiteta …physically strong , good in the air .

O’Hora … our best option.

Obita .. see above even though he worries me defensively.

Triantis… player I rate , glad to have him back for this one .

NMW/Campbell … work rate and energy. *

Boyle … our best player who will hopefully cause them problems.

Kwon … mad choice maybe for this role though would like to see him get a chance in this role purely because I think he’s been unlucky with some excellent shots from outside the box .

Hoilett … think the guys been one of our better players recently and for me should play on the LW.

Myko… really tough one between him and Gayle after his goal though think Myko put in a shift against Utd and his physical strength might ruffle them up which you need at times in a derby.

* would have had Newell in if he was available .. didn’t consider Youan for the starting line up as I don’t know what’s going on there , next to Boyle he’s our most dangerous player though.

If only Campbell had shown "work rate and energy" when he sauntered about letting his man score the 3rd goal on Saturday. He wont be playing and thank god for that because he is absolutely murder.

Centre Hawf
22-10-2024, 08:43 AM
I'd go 3-5-2/5-3-2 for this one. Despite our capitulation I did actually think we played much better when we had that system (and 11 on the park). I'm also at this point where I don't care what keeper starts as I have no faith in any of them and assume Bursic is just the best of a bad bunch.

Bursic.

Cadden
O'Hora
Ekpiteta
Iredale
Obita

Kwon
Triantis
Rudi

Mykola
Boyle

During the game I'd then be swapping Boyle for Elie if we need a goal desperately or Hoilett if we're winning. Mykola for Gayle when he's tired. After that I'd rather only see the likes of Levitt, Campbell, McKirdy, Miller if someone is injured.

Springbank
22-10-2024, 09:20 AM
Been thinking on our team for the Derby and we generally play 4-2-3-1 .. we did against Motherwell and St Johnstone at home so it’s down to who plays where and this is my team with some reasons…..

Bursik … know he made errors in last game though wouldn’t be changing him when the other guys hardly played.

Miller … personally I thought Miller looked a bit jaded against Dundee Utd which I think is understandable though I think he doesn’t shirk from a battle and good character.

Ekpiteta …physically strong , good in the air .

O’Hora … our best option.

Obita .. see above even though he worries me defensively.

Triantis… player I rate , glad to have him back for this one .

NMW/Campbell … work rate and energy. *

Boyle … our best player who will hopefully cause them problems.

Kwon … mad choice maybe for this role though would like to see him get a chance in this role purely because I think he’s been unlucky with some excellent shots from outside the box .

Hoilett … think the guys been one of our better players recently and for me should play on the LW.

Myko… really tough one between him and Gayle after his goal though think Myko put in a shift against Utd and his physical strength might ruffle them up which you need at times in a derby.

* would have had Newell in if he was available .. didn’t consider Youan for the starting line up as I don’t know what’s going on there , next to Boyle he’s our most dangerous player though.

I agree with 10 of your 11

We need Kwon in his usual role though and Gayle is a must, given his workrate, character and quality. So I'd be:

Bursik
Miller, Ekpiteta, oHora, Obita
Kwon Triantis
Boyle Gayle Hoillett
Myko

2-1 Hibs

Coco Bryce
22-10-2024, 09:22 AM
Been thinking on our team for the Derby and we generally play 4-2-3-1 .. we did against Motherwell and St Johnstone at home so it’s down to who plays where and this is my team with some reasons…..

Bursik … know he made errors in last game though wouldn’t be changing him when the other guys hardly played.

Miller … personally I thought Miller looked a bit jaded against Dundee Utd which I think is understandable though I think he doesn’t shirk from a battle and good character.

Ekpiteta …physically strong , good in the air .

O’Hora … our best option.

Obita .. see above even though he worries me defensively.

Triantis… player I rate , glad to have him back for this one .

NMW/Campbell … work rate and energy. *

Boyle … our best player who will hopefully cause them problems.

Kwon … mad choice maybe for this role though would like to see him get a chance in this role purely because I think he’s been unlucky with some excellent shots from outside the box .

Hoilett … think the guys been one of our better players recently and for me should play on the LW.

Myko… really tough one between him and Gayle after his goal though think Myko put in a shift against Utd and his physical strength might ruffle them up which you need at times in a derby.

* would have had Newell in if he was available .. didn’t consider Youan for the starting line up as I don’t know what’s going on there , next to Boyle he’s our most dangerous player though.

Josh ****ing Campbell :faf::faf:

Heisenberg
22-10-2024, 09:26 AM
I'd go 3-5-2/5-3-2 for this one. Despite our capitulation I did actually think we played much better when we had that system (and 11 on the park). I'm also at this point where I don't care what keeper starts as I have no faith in any of them and assume Bursic is just the best of a bad bunch.

Bursic.

Cadden
O'Hora
Ekpiteta
Iredale
Obita

Kwon
Triantis
Rudi

Mykola
Boyle

During the game I'd then be swapping Boyle for Elie if we need a goal desperately or Hoilett if we're winning. Mykola for Gayle when he's tired. After that I'd rather only see the likes of Levitt, Campbell, McKirdy, Miller if someone is injured.

Think he might go three at the back and your team might not be far off. Only ones im not sure about are Rudi and whether or not Cadden will be fit

1875M
22-10-2024, 09:27 AM
I’d like to see a 5-4-1 system but wingers nice and high when we have the ball to make it a front 3 and wing backs pushing on.

Sadly, Bursik in goal

Cadden
O’Hora
Marv
Iredale
Obita

Boyle
Kwon
Triantis
Junior H (our best player recently, has to start)

Gayle/Myko (unsure but one of them)

BoomtownHibees
22-10-2024, 09:27 AM
Been thinking on our team for the Derby and we generally play 4-2-3-1 .. we did against Motherwell and St Johnstone at home so it’s down to who plays where and this is my team with some reasons…..

Bursik … know he made errors in last game though wouldn’t be changing him when the other guys hardly played.

Miller … personally I thought Miller looked a bit jaded against Dundee Utd which I think is understandable though I think he doesn’t shirk from a battle and good character.

Ekpiteta …physically strong , good in the air .

O’Hora … our best option.

Obita .. see above even though he worries me defensively.

Triantis… player I rate , glad to have him back for this one .

NMW/Campbell … work rate and energy. *

Boyle … our best player who will hopefully cause them problems.

Kwon … mad choice maybe for this role though would like to see him get a chance in this role purely because I think he’s been unlucky with some excellent shots from outside the box .

Hoilett … think the guys been one of our better players recently and for me should play on the LW.

Myko… really tough one between him and Gayle after his goal though think Myko put in a shift against Utd and his physical strength might ruffle them up which you need at times in a derby.

* would have had Newell in if he was available .. didn’t consider Youan for the starting line up as I don’t know what’s going on there , next to Boyle he’s our most dangerous player though.

You’re at it if you still reckon Campbell should be anywhere near the squad, never mind starting the game

Centre Hawf
22-10-2024, 09:34 AM
Think he might go three at the back and your team might not be far off. Only ones im not sure about are Rudi and whether or not Cadden will be fit

Yeah to be honest you could have swapped Miller for Cadden, if anything now thinking about it his physicality might be a bit better for us in this game but it's swings and roundabouts as far as RWB is concerned as neither are particularly great.

I plucked for Rudi mostly because I don't really want to see Campbell or Levitt play let alone start, Hoilett did cross my mind as a potential 10 as well.

Donegal Hibby
22-10-2024, 09:38 AM
You’re at it if you still reckon Campbell should be anywhere near the squad, never mind starting the game

Not at it at all as I’ve put NMW as one of the options , I also highlighted the fact if Newell was available I’d have him starting too .. though he’s out and both Campbell/ NMW are probably our next best options unless you have an alternative of course?

B.H.F.C
22-10-2024, 09:53 AM
Not at it at all as I’ve put NMW as one of the options , I also highlighted the fact if Newell was available I’d have him starting too .. though he’s out and both Campbell/ NMW are probably our next best options unless you have an alternative of course?

There are umpteen alternatives.

Play Hoilett central as he did at the start of the second half on Saturday. Play Gayle and go with two up top. I’d even play Levitt before Campbell.

There is no way on this earth that Campbell should be in the team on Sunday. In fact, he shouldn’t be in the team full stop but sadly some genius gave him a lengthy contract not so long ago.

Nicho87
22-10-2024, 10:01 AM
I’d rather Liam Craig played than Campbell

Campbell is a complete liability

Joke of a cameo on Saturday

Hibs Go Bragh
22-10-2024, 10:07 AM
There are umpteen alternatives.

Play Hoilett central as he did at the start of the second half on Saturday. Play Gayle and go with two up top. I’d even play Levitt before Campbell.

There is no way on this earth that Campbell should be in the team on Sunday. In fact, he shouldn’t be in the team full stop but sadly some genius gave him a lengthy contract not so long ago.

Even if he doesn't start he'll come on at some point. I think he's featured at some point in every game so far? Can't be far off it if not. Gray seems determined to keep using him.

Donegal Hibby
22-10-2024, 10:18 AM
There are umpteen alternatives.

Play Hoilett central as he did at the start of the second half on Saturday. Play Gayle and go with two up top. I’d even play Levitt before Campbell.

There is no way on this earth that Campbell should be in the team on Sunday. In fact, he shouldn’t be in the team full stop but sadly some genius gave him a lengthy contract not so long ago.

I don’t really see us having the umpteen alternatives… firstly i don’t know if Hoilett has played there and I think he’s looked more effective on the LW … secondly we haven’t changed from a 4-2-3-1 when playing lesser quality teams at home so I don’t think we will change now and go with two up top either..

As Liam Henderson once said ‘ hertz like to kick you’ and this game like many other derby’s will be a physical battle and I really don’t think Levitt is suited to that sort of game …

With Campbells recent mistakes which almost every other player as made this season too i might add.I would be quite willing to give NMW a chance…

I just thought Kwon looked like he was due a goal for us which is why I thought on moving him higher up the pitch as a AM and didn’t see us having the umpteen options you suggest we have !

Contador
22-10-2024, 10:25 AM
I haven't see one team on this thread that strikes any sort of confidence in me, and I don't just mean for Sunday.

The make up of this team in terms of age, contractual situation, time at club and mentality has all the makings the 2013-14 team.

Hibs3-2
22-10-2024, 10:43 AM
Burski
Miller marv ohora iredale obita
Kwon triantis
Hoilett
Gayle myko

Long to myko (or miller at goalkicks) play on 2nd ball. For the first time in ages we can be more physical than them as theyre tiny. Triantis to sit and play back 5 if needed with either fullback pushing up

Springbank
22-10-2024, 10:44 AM
I haven't see one team on this thread that strikes any sort of confidence in me, and I don't just mean for Sunday.

The make up of this team in terms of age, contractual situation, time at club and mentality has all the makings the 2013-14 team.

I would say that a front 4 of Boyle, Hoillett, Gayle & Myko is a serious class up from Alex Harris, James Collins, Paul Heffernan etc

Kwon & Triantis are a step up from Liam Craig

A team of Bursik, Miller, Ohora, Ekpiteta, Obita // Kwon Triantis // Boyle Hoillett Gayle // Myko

ought to cause Hearts problems up the top end of the pitch

Jock O
22-10-2024, 10:46 AM
Burski
Miller marv ohora obita
Kwon triantis
Hoilett
Gayle myko

Long to myko (or miller at goalkicks) play on 2nd ball. For the first time in ages we can be more physical than them as theyre tiny. Triantis to sit and play back 5 if needed

Starting with 10 to give the guys time to get used to it this week. :-)

B.H.F.C
22-10-2024, 11:20 AM
I don’t really see us having the umpteen alternatives… firstly i don’t know if Hoilett has played there and I think he’s looked more effective on the LW … secondly we haven’t changed from a 4-2-3-1 when playing lesser quality teams at home so I don’t think we will change now and go with two up top either..

As Liam Henderson once said ‘ hertz like to kick you’ and this game like many other derby’s will be a physical battle and I really don’t think Levitt is suited to that sort of game …

With Campbells recent mistakes which almost every other player as made this season too i might add.I would be quite willing to give NMW a chance…

I just thought Kwon looked like he was due a goal for us which is why I thought on moving him higher up the pitch as a AM and didn’t see us having the umpteen options you suggest we have !

Hoilett moved from the left wing to a more central position at half time on Saturday so Gray obviously feels he can play there.

There are plenty options but moving Kwon in to that role wouldn’t be one of them.

Donegal Hibby
22-10-2024, 11:21 AM
If only Campbell had shown "work rate and energy" when he sauntered about letting his man score the 3rd goal on Saturday. He wont be playing and thank god for that because he is absolutely murder.

He might not be playing though he will certainly be in the squad for Sunday that’s for sure .👍

Donegal Hibby
22-10-2024, 11:47 AM
Hoilett moved from the left wing to a more central position at half time on Saturday so Gray obviously feels he can play there.

There are plenty options but moving Kwon in to that role wouldn’t be one of them.

And yet Gray as stated in the past that Rudi was better on the LW as he’d get more time and space to develop his game though he started Rudi central and Hoilett on the LW which would suggest that he prefers Hoilett on the LW..

Gray might switch it that way but I doubt it .. I do agree with what your saying about Kwon in Gray won’t probably move him to that role though I think he’s capable of playing there ..

I just don’t think we are blessed with umpteen options though .

B.H.F.C
22-10-2024, 11:50 AM
And yet Gray as stated in the past that Rudi was better on the LW as he’d get more time and space to develop his game though he started Rudi central and Hoilett on the LW which would suggest that he prefers Hoilett on the LW..

Gray might switch it that way but I doubt it .. I do agree with what your saying about Kwon in Gray won’t probably move him to that role though I think he’s capable of playing there ..

I just don’t think we are blessed with umpteen options though .

Never said umpteen good options. Plenty options better than playing Josh Campbell though.

Trinity Hibee
22-10-2024, 11:58 AM
Burisic
Miller
Ekpiteta
Ohora
Iredale
Obita
Kwon
Triantis
Hoilett
Boyle
Myko
Youan

flash
22-10-2024, 11:59 AM
Burisic
Miller
Ekpiteta
Ohora
Iredale
Obita
Kwon
Triantis
Hoilett
Boyle
Myko
Youan

12 players. I like your thinking.

B.H.F.C
22-10-2024, 11:59 AM
Burisic
Miller
Ekpiteta
Ohora
Iredale
Obita
Kwon
Triantis
Hoilett
Boyle
Myko
Youan

I know referees aren’t up to much, but I’m no sure we’d get away with that.

hibsbollah
22-10-2024, 12:01 PM
12 players. I like your thinking.

He's including Miller. I keep hearing he's 'like playing with a man down' so maybe thats why:greengrin

Trinity Hibee
22-10-2024, 12:01 PM
😂 Youan on Bench then

flash
22-10-2024, 12:06 PM
He's including Miller. I keep hearing he's 'like playing with a man down' so maybe thats why:greengrin

Poor Lewis. Takes some doing to be a man down in this team.

Scouse Hibee
22-10-2024, 12:13 PM
Why is it highly unlikely that we beat a team that has done even worse than us in the league especially as they have a big match 3 days before ? I`ll be disappointed if we draw next week and I hope the players and management think the same .

Because it’s Hearts and they always seem more up for it than our spineless bunch of losers.

Donegal Hibby
22-10-2024, 01:15 PM
Never said umpteen good options. Plenty options better than playing Josh Campbell though.

Not so sure about that … certainly wouldn’t consider Levitt as one which you suggested though each to their own opinions buddy 👍

Centre Hawf
22-10-2024, 01:18 PM
Never said umpteen good options. Plenty options better than playing Josh Campbell though.

I'm not sure we have plenty better than Josh Campbell to be honest. That's not a compliment to him as much as it is a criticism of our squad.

Callum_62
22-10-2024, 01:49 PM
Id certainly drop Rudi and try and find a place for Gayle

I think we looked decent in the 3-5-2 - certainly created more /felt more of a threat

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Smartie
22-10-2024, 02:00 PM
Bursik

Ekpiteta O’Hora Iredale

Miller Kwon Triantis Obita

Levitt

Boyle Myko


RWB the biggest dilemma - but I think we have a height advantage (for a change vs Hearts) and Miller stays in for his long throw.

Pace and size/ strength up front.

Decent defensive base to allow Levitt to focus on being creative - who should be looking to spring Boyle free whenever he gets the chance.

A few options to shake things up off the bench.

Battling quality and graft throughout (notably not in Levitt, he’s the only one lacking in that department in the team) which is important in a derby.

Personally I think Newell being unavailable is one of the biggest blessings we could have had. The heavy touch that led to his red card was borderline unforgivable given the situation at that time. Not the sort of character you want to be relying on in a big derby, the type of game he’s got himself sent off in before. Kwon and Triantis strike me as players who will actually relish this sort of game in spite of our team’s current woes.

Since90+2
22-10-2024, 02:02 PM
I'm not sure we have plenty better than Josh Campbell to be honest. That's not a compliment to him as much as it is a criticism of our squad.

Anyone who's natural position is a midfielder is a better option than Campbell. He's very poor.

GreenCastle
22-10-2024, 02:39 PM
Surprised so many leaving out Hoilett - he’s been one of our best players.

Few questions the staff will be asking themselves…

What formation - 3-5-2 which we looked decent at Sunday but ultimately still lost (obviously sending off big impact).

Keeper - does he keep his position after conceding pretty much a goal a game

Do we keep same back 4 or change to the 3 ?

Do we have any natural wingbacks ?

Who plays 10 ?

Do we have 2 up front or 1 ? Hearts probably will play back 4 in a 4-4-2.

Who plays 10 ?

Does Gayle and / or Youan start ?

Hibs staff seem to not like making many changes but feels like we should be changing things up.

Wouldn’t be surprised if we go back to the same team that played Rangers except Boyle for Cadden and maybe Rudi plays off Myko. If Hearts play 2 up I would play 2 up also and match them.

Smartie
22-10-2024, 03:14 PM
Surprised so many leaving out Hoilett - he’s been one of our best players.

Few questions the staff will be asking themselves…

What formation - 3-5-2 which we looked decent at Sunday but ultimately still lost (obviously sending off big impact).

Keeper - does he keep his position after conceding pretty much a goal a game

Do we keep same back 4 or change to the 3 ?

Do we have any natural wingbacks ?

Who plays 10 ?

Do we have 2 up front or 1 ? Hearts probably will play back 4 in a 4-4-2.

Who plays 10 ?

Does Gayle and / or Youan start ?

Hibs staff seem to not like making many changes but feels like we should be changing things up.

Wouldn’t be surprised if we go back to the same team that played Rangers except Boyle for Cadden and maybe Rudi plays off Myko. If Hearts play 2 up I would play 2 up also and match them.

Yeah, that's definitely an issue.

But I think we should play 352 and he's not a natural fit anywhere in that. Maybe as the second striker, playing off Myko?

The problems with the 352 are knowing who to play at RWB and most importantly, who plays in the attacking midfield position - like Latapy did in McLeish's good team. I went for Levitt but I'm under no doubt as to how imperfect he potentially is in a position he supposedly doesn't play. Shoehorning in either Hoilett or Boyle, going with Rudi or Campbell - all are various shades of imperfect there. I quite like the look of the rest of the 352 outside of that one position though, ignoring the disastrous options at GK for a second.

451 with Boyle on the right, Hoilett on the left and Myko up front - in isolation that front 3 make sense. In practice they get isolated and it doesn't work, probably down the problems at "number 10" again so I'd be very keen to get away from persevering with something that I've just seen Hibs struggle so badly to implement for so long.

Centre Hawf
22-10-2024, 03:26 PM
Anyone who's natural position is a midfielder is a better option than Campbell. He's very poor.

I don't disagree with you in that he's very poor but other than trying out Levitt, who himself has been piss poor since signing, there isn't actually anyone else?

We're in a place now where folk are now turning their attention back to players who have been rotten and bombed out previously. Guys like Rocky Levitt and McKirdy for example are still going to be rank at the things they were rank at 6 months ago. They've all been phased out for a reason and if we dropped them all into the line up for the next month we'll be having this conversation again with them instead of the likes of Campbell.

This isn't me trying to say Campbell should play btw, I'm mostly just talking myself into depression at the state of our squad.

sauzee1989
22-10-2024, 03:50 PM
Surprised so many leaving out Hoilett - he’s been one of our best players.

Few questions the staff will be asking themselves…

What formation - 3-5-2 which we looked decent at Sunday but ultimately still lost (obviously sending off big impact).


Keeper - does he keep his position after conceding pretty much a goal a game

Do we keep same back 4 or change to the 3 ?

Do we have any natural wingbacks ?

Who plays 10 ?

Do we have 2 up front or 1 ? Hearts probably will play back 4 in a 4-4-2.

Who plays 10 ?

Does Gayle and / or Youan start ?

Hibs staff seem to not like making many changes but feels like we should be changing things up.

Wouldn’t be surprised if we go back to the same team that played Rangers except Boyle for Cadden and maybe Rudi plays off Myko. If Hearts play 2 up I would play 2 up also and match them.

Agree you do have to wonder what people watch when they’re leaving out Hoilet for this game. He’s the first player on team sheet

The Wireless
22-10-2024, 04:09 PM
352 please

Smith
O’Hora, Ekpiteta, Iredale
Boyle Triantis Levitt Kwon Obita
Myk Gayle

My only worry is Boyle up against Penrice and Spittal as he can’t defend at all. On the money fella. Exactly how I see it. We need the extra striker and need to win the midfield.

eastmainsmsh
22-10-2024, 04:54 PM
I can't understand why Levitt hasn't been starting what was the point in paying a big fee and wages for him to sit on the bench play him as attacking midfielder

Nicho87
22-10-2024, 09:31 PM
I can't understand why Levitt hasn't been starting what was the point in paying a big fee and wages for him to sit on the bench play him as attacking midfielder

Not a David gray signing

Like every club, new managers come in, some players who were first picks with one manager are no longer selected with the next

I’ve personally seen enough of Levitt to think he’s not good enough or committed to the cause to rely on him every week.

I’d move him out pretty quickly

Springbank
23-10-2024, 07:12 AM
I can't understand why Levitt hasn't been starting what was the point in paying a big fee and wages for him to sit on the bench play him as attacking midfielder

Quite simply we are worse with him

Dundee Utd - winning 2-1 when DL enters the field, lose 3-2

Kelty Hearts - plays the full game, his time to stake a claim.

Let's not rinse & repeat that

Centre Hawf
23-10-2024, 07:25 AM
Quite simply we are worse with him

Dundee Utd - winning 2-1 when DL enters the field, lose 3-2

Kelty Hearts - plays the full game, his time to stake a claim.

Let's not rinse & repeat that

Whenever we hit the skids like we are now it's always the players who aren't starting that are potentially the answer to our problems in some peoples eyes. Guys like Levitt, Amos, JDH, and Rocky have all had countless opportunities to hold down a starting job and haven't taken it because they weren't good enough.

yerauldda
23-10-2024, 09:02 AM
What I'd like to see:

Smith
Miller Ekpiteta O'Hora Obita
Amos Kwon Triantis
Boyle Kucharevich Hoilett

Good mixture of legs and physicality in that team, the midfield won't be outworked. Swap Rudi/NMW on for Amos after an hour.

What I think Gray will play:

Bursik
Miller Ekpiteta O'Hora Obita
Cadden Kwon Triantis Hoilett
Boyle Kucharevich

Jones28
23-10-2024, 09:07 AM
It would be crazy not to go with the second half formation from last week, we looked so much better.


A Goalie
Ekpiteta O'Hora Rocky/Iredale
Boyle Triantis Kwon Obita/N Cadden
Hoilett
Gayle Myko

B.H.F.C
23-10-2024, 09:25 AM
It would be crazy not to go with the second half formation from last week, we looked so much better.


A Goalie
Ekpiteta O'Hora Rocky/Iredale
Boyle Triantis Kwon NMW Obita/N Cadden
Hoilett
Gayle Myko

You’ll no get away with playing 12 though.

Brightside
23-10-2024, 09:30 AM
It would be crazy not to go with the second half formation from last week, we looked so much better.


A Goalie
Ekpiteta O'Hora Rocky/Iredale
Boyle Triantis Kwon NMW Obita/N Cadden
Hoilett
Gayle Myko

Apart from losing 2 goals. Thats our problem with 352. It needs Boyle to provide that defensive side when we dont have the ball, which he clearly struggles with now. Obita can do it on the left, but we are left open on the right. What we could do is tell Traintis to stay in the DM role and then slot into make a 4 when we lose possession.

Id be tempted to drop Myko. Play Hoilet, Gayle, and Ellie. :greengrin. Win 6-5

Jones28
23-10-2024, 09:45 AM
You’ll no get away with playing 12 though.

Theres 2 and/or's in there.

Think its 11?

Nope, it's 12, my apologies!

Jones28
23-10-2024, 09:48 AM
Apart from losing 2 goals. Thats our problem with 352. It needs Boyle to provide that defensive side when we dont have the ball, which he clearly struggles with now. Obita can do it on the left, but we are left open on the right. What we could do is tell Traintis to stay in the DM role and then slot into make a 4 when we lose possession.

Id be tempted to drop Myko. Play Hoilet, Gayle, and Ellie. :greengrin. Win 6-5

We lost the goals when down to 10, Boyle was a very effective RWB under Lennon - defensively and offensively. I'll cut him some slack on that front and suggest a week of working and re-remembering his RWB credentials will have done him some good.

Or we put Miller there and Boyle comes off the bench/starts up front :aok:

I'd be wary of dropping Myko, doesn't leave anyone particularly physical up front. His job is to be the bully.

MWHIBBIES
23-10-2024, 09:59 AM
We lost the goals when down to 10, Boyle was a very effective RWB under Lennon - defensively and offensively. I'll cut him some slack on that front and suggest a week of working and re-remembering his RWB credentials will have done him some good.

Or we put Miller there and Boyle comes off the bench/starts up front :aok:

I'd be wary of dropping Myko, doesn't leave anyone particularly physical up front. His job is to be the bully.

Rwb Boyle had Ambrose behind him, who was the best centre back to play for Hibs since Sauzee. I think he might toil a bit more now.

Mainstandman
23-10-2024, 10:03 AM
I'd really like to see our better players in the team (Hoilett, Gayle, Youan, Boyle etc) players that can affect the game and occupy Hearts and be more front foot and aggressive. We need more good options to give hearts more to do in the game. I fear Gray will go with holding players though and we will pass it about at the back with no cutting edge, hope to punt it to Boyle or Myko as the only outlet (Hearts likely to mark to kick them out of the game) and the game will pass us by. We have so many players that don't offer any threat to the opposition and we clearly can't manage a game successfully when we sit in.

flash
23-10-2024, 10:04 AM
Rwb Boyle had Ambrose behind him, who was the best centre back to play for Hibs since Sauzee. I think he might toil a bit more now.

More to the point he was several years younger and a good bit fitter.

GreenCastle
23-10-2024, 10:05 AM
I think we will be safe and go with 4 at the back.

Not the team I would go with but I think what they will go with as it’s not a risk.

Reckon management will be thinking just don’t lose.

A Goalie
Miller Ekpiteta O'Hora Obita
Boyle Triantis Kwon Rudi Hoilett
Myko

Would love them to be brave and go 3-5-2 though as that would hopefully leave our back 3 against Vargas and Shankland.

Then match them across the middle plus have 2 up centrally against their centre backs - Myko with Gayle or Youan working off him. Myko and Youan would add speed and physicality- Gayle is a finisher but him and Myko both drop in as don’t have the speed to go behind.

We need speed in this team - we are so slow and rarely counter attack properly.

Mcbizz1998
23-10-2024, 10:07 AM
What I'd like to see:

Smith
Miller Ekpiteta O'Hora Obita
Amos Kwon Triantis
Boyle Kucharevich Hoilett

Good mixture of legs and physicality in that team, the midfield won't be outworked. Swap Rudi/NMW on for Amos after an hour.

What I think Gray will play:

Bursik
Miller Ekpiteta O'Hora Obita
Cadden Kwon Triantis Hoilett
Boyle Kucharevich

Alongside Mckirdy, Amos is one of the last players I want to see on Sunday. He has looked completely weak and powderpuff. Not what we need to battle it out in a derby.

sauzeelegod
23-10-2024, 10:10 AM
Been thinking about this and I’d like to see a 343.

Anyone

Marv
O’Hora
Iredale

Cadden
Kwon
Triantis
Obita

Boyle
Gayle
Hoilett

Bring Youan on sometime in 2nd half and let him run at them.

flash
23-10-2024, 10:10 AM
I'd really like to see our better players in the team (Hoilett, Gayle, Youan, Boyle etc) players that can affect the game and occupy Hearts and be more front foot and aggressive. We need more good options to give hearts more to do in the game. I fear Gray will go with holding players though and we will pass it about at the back with no cutting edge, hope to punt it to Boyle or Myko as the only outlet (Hearts likely to mark to kick them out of the game) and the game will pass us by. We have so many players that don't offer any threat to the opposition and we clearly can't manage a game successfully when we sit in.

This is my concern.

It appears to be SDG's default to be cautious in nature and whilst this can sometimes be a good thing I am not so sure that's the case on Sunday.

Hertz will be playing off 2 days rest and there is overwhelming evidence that clubs in Scotland are really struggling at the weekends after European games.

If we come out and make it a real Cup tie type of game the chances are they will not have the legs for it.

Alternatively if we come out slowly then we will just give them a chance to conserve energy and last the game out far easier.

Obviously there are no guarantees however we play but, in my opinion at least, the fast paced option has to be the better one.

Jones28
23-10-2024, 10:22 AM
Rwb Boyle had Ambrose behind him, who was the best centre back to play for Hibs since Sauzee. I think he might toil a bit more now.


More to the point he was several years younger and a good bit fitter.

All true, but the alternative is Miller in a back 4 and I'm not sure that's a better option.

Jones28
23-10-2024, 10:23 AM
Alongside Mckirdy, Amos is one of the last players I want to see on Sunday. He has looked completely weak and powderpuff. Not what we need to battle it out in a derby.

Don't agree with your McKirdy assessment but 100% agree re Amos, we're never winning a midfield scrap with him in there. Newall, for his faults, is at least a fighter in derby games.

flash
23-10-2024, 10:24 AM
All true, but the alternative is Miller in a back 4 and I'm not sure that's a better option.

Absolutely. Despite my stated misgivings I would still have Boyle as right wing back in a 352 on Sunday.

Billy Whizz
23-10-2024, 10:44 AM
Is Cadden fit for Sunday? Went off on Saturday with what looked like muscle injury

RossScott1991
23-10-2024, 03:48 PM
I know this wont be the team but if it was up to me i'd just fully 'go' for it. We are likely going to concede (maybe even a couple) so might aswell try score 2 or 3!

Bursik (not alot else is there)

RB - Cadden
CB - Marv
CB - O'Hora
LB - Obita

CDM - Kwon
CDM - Triantis
CAM - Hoilett

RW - Boyle
ST - Myko
LW - Youan

I'd tell Kwon and Triantis to have a game where they need to remain disciplined and just sit, one pick up shankland as he likes to drop deep.

It won't be this team though as Youan hasn't even been a consideration.

Gayle to come off bench 2nd half depending on nature of the game, and Josh Campbell not to come on the pitch preferably.

eastmainsmsh
23-10-2024, 05:05 PM
Bursik

Ekpiteta
OHora
Triantis

Boyle
Levitt
Kwon
Obita

Myk
Gayle
Youan

Paulie Walnuts
23-10-2024, 05:08 PM
Smith

Miller
O’Hora
Iredale
Obita

Triantis
Kwon

Boyle
Hoilett
Youan

Gayle

Almost trying to pick the team based on who shouldn’t be in it and work from there so Bursik, Cadden, Ekpiteta and Kukharevych lose out on that basis. Miller and Obita really should miss out on that basis as well but there’s not really any other option on that front.

Viva_Palmeiras
24-10-2024, 12:06 PM
First mental challenge from Hearts:

on either Miller or Hoillet then the round-robin fouling throughout the game.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a team be as blatant.

Tyler Durden
24-10-2024, 12:11 PM
Feels like an impossible task to pick a team at the moment. But I think we need to keep a clean sheet to win.

So I'd go with a fairly conservative midfield and hope that the front 3 can get a goal. I do think that amongst the predictably poor shows from Campbell and Newell recently.... Kwon has been pretty shocking and really needs a big performance.

Bursik

Miller
Ekpiteta
O'Hora
Obita

Triantis
Kwon
NMW (let him get forward)

Hoilett
Gayle
Youan/Boyle

percy veer
24-10-2024, 12:12 PM
First mental challenge from Hearts:

on either Miller or Hoillet then the round-robin fouling throughout the game.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a team be as blatant.


The fans have seen that for years so why dont the players do something about it, play them at their own game every challenge get the medic on scream go down injured, surround the ref, seems to have worked for them in derbies.

Coco Bryce
24-10-2024, 12:18 PM
The fans have seen that for years so why dont the players do something about it, play them at their own game every challenge get the medic on scream go down injured, surround the ref, seems to have worked for them in derbies.

They wont be able to do that now so that's a bonus.

I agree though. We need to get in about them. We are far too soft.

Tyler Durden
24-10-2024, 12:19 PM
The fans have seen that for years so why dont the players do something about it, play them at their own game every challenge get the medic on scream go down injured, surround the ref, seems to have worked for them in derbies.

They haven't outfought us in recent years. We've not lost any midfield battles. We've just not defended basic situations and then we've missed our own chances too much.

This thing about Hearts being more street wise hasn't really been an issue for years. They've had a goal scorer and too often we've not.

duffers
24-10-2024, 12:31 PM
Another Line up which isn't going to be what we go with, but picking purely based on players which I think have a bit heart.


Bursik :dizzy:

Ekpiteta O'Hora Obita

Boyle Kwon Triantis Hoilett

Rudi

Gayle Myko

Hibees1973
24-10-2024, 10:05 PM
Starting to think about the team now.

My first thought is I feel deeply uncomfortable having most of the spine of our team filled with loans. Bursik, Kwon, Triantis and Myko likely to be here today gone tomorrow players, while we have a raft of players on 3-4 year deals who do not kick a ball for us.

Not a great feeling going into the derby.

flash
25-10-2024, 07:12 AM
Starting to think about the team now.

My first thought is I feel deeply uncomfortable having most of the spine of our team filled with loans. Bursik, Kwon, Triantis and Myko likely to be here today gone tomorrow players, while we have a raft of players on 3-4 year deals who do not kick a ball for us.

Not a great feeling going into the derby.

What's your idea of the team then?

erin go bragh
25-10-2024, 09:37 AM
Agree about Elie, give him a chance for a couple of games and I dare say he’ll find his form and be a threat

He must see who is playing ahead of him and being subbed on ahead of him and think wtf

Bringing Mckirdy on v Motherwell when needing a goal, when Ellie was on yhe bench was a very poor decision and Ellie has not featured since.

Hibees1973
25-10-2024, 09:40 AM
What's your idea of the team then?

Anyone other than Bursik (would recall Murray Johnson)

Anyone other than Miller (will have to be Cadden)
O'Hora (cos Rocky gives me the fear)
Expiteta (see above)
Obita (cos we don't have another left back)

Boyle
Triatntis (cos those on 3-4 year deals are p*sh)
Kwon (see above)
Molotnikov

Hoilett

Myko (cos Bowie is injured and we don't have another physical centre forward for a derby)

That's the best I can come up with.

Nicho87
25-10-2024, 10:39 AM
Goalie (anyone) but Bursik

Miller Ohora Ekpeteta Iredale

Kwon triantis

Boyle Hoilett Youan

Gayle

18Craig75
25-10-2024, 10:44 AM
Another Line up which isn't going to be what we go with, but picking purely based on players which I think have a bit heart.


Bursik :dizzy:

Ekpiteta O'Hora Obita

Boyle Kwon Triantis Hoilett

Rudi

Gayle Myko

Don’t mind this but not sure Hoillet would have the legs for a WB role. I’d swap him for Rudi, put Obita LWB and Iredale LCB. If Nicky Cadden was fit then he could also play LWB and leave Obita LCB.

JimBHibees
25-10-2024, 10:53 AM
Anyone other than Bursik (would recall Murray Johnson)

Anyone other than Miller (will have to be Cadden)
O'Hora (cos Rocky gives me the fear)
Expiteta (see above)
Obita (cos we don't have another left back)

Boyle
Triatntis (cos those on 3-4 year deals are p*sh)
Kwon (see above)
Molotnikov

Hoilett

Myko (cos Bowie is injured and we don't have another physical centre forward for a derby)

That's the best I can come up with.

Johnson couldnt play until January

Heisenberg
25-10-2024, 10:56 AM
SDG backing Bursik yesterday so got to assume he keeps his place. Going to be nervy whenever the ball goes near him.

leith lynx
25-10-2024, 11:03 AM
SDG backing Bursik yesterday so got to assume he keeps his place. Going to be nervy whenever the ball goes near him.

It's players like Bursik that get managers sacked, I'm afraid.

Contador
25-10-2024, 11:19 AM
He’s not our biggest issue by any means (all of which are obvious), but I’m surprised Kwon is in as many teams. Game passes him by too much for me and not ideal for a derby.

andrew70
25-10-2024, 11:45 AM
He’s not our biggest issue by any means (all of which are obvious), but I’m surprised Kwon is in as many teams. Game passes him by too much for me and not ideal for a derby.

Not for me, boy stands out like a sore thumb one of the only players with a bit of class and composure. Lucky to have him. So glad Triantis is back in alongside him though. He done the job of two last week.

yerauldda
25-10-2024, 11:47 AM
Not for me, boy stands out like a sore thumb one of the only players with a bit of class and composure. Lucky to have him. So glad Triantis is back in alongside him though. He done the job of two last week.

Yep. With you here. Think he's been very good and almost scored in most games. Would be great if this is the one where one of his efforts nestles in the back of the net!

Hiber-nation
25-10-2024, 11:50 AM
He’s not our biggest issue by any means (all of which are obvious), but I’m surprised Kwon is in as many teams. Game passes him by too much for me and not ideal for a derby.

Who would you play? He's not been quite as good as I thought he'd be but certainly first midfielder on the teamsheet.

Centre Hawf
25-10-2024, 11:53 AM
He’s not our biggest issue by any means (all of which are obvious), but I’m surprised Kwon is in as many teams. Game passes him by too much for me and not ideal for a derby.

I don't think he's been perfect but he's probably my first name on the team sheet at the moment.

GreenCastle
25-10-2024, 11:56 AM
He’s not our biggest issue by any means (all of which are obvious), but I’m surprised Kwon is in as many teams. Game passes him by too much for me and not ideal for a derby.

Complete opposite and type of player we need.

Add in his often gets a shot on goal most games.

He’s still raw and defensively needs to not switch off but we haven’t exactly got a load of players lining up to replace him.

B.H.F.C
25-10-2024, 12:06 PM
I’m probably going to contradict myself a bit here, but we’re not losing games in the middle of the park. One exception is Motherwell game where Triantis got sent off and Kwon switched off from a long throw.

In general play I’m happy with the two of them. It’s the third midfield position that is the problematic one for me and, as such, I wouldn’t bother having a third one. Gayle in for Molotnikov and two up top.

sauzee1989
25-10-2024, 12:22 PM
x2

In a game that’s a must win I can’t see him playing our biggest attacking threat at wing back.

Springbank
25-10-2024, 12:45 PM
Feels like an impossible task to pick a team at the moment. But I think we need to keep a clean sheet to win.

So I'd go with a fairly conservative midfield and hope that the front 3 can get a goal. I do think that amongst the predictably poor shows from Campbell and Newell recently.... Kwon has been pretty shocking and really needs a big performance.

Bursik

Miller
Ekpiteta
O'Hora
Obita

Triantis
Kwon
NMW (let him get forward)

Hoilett
Gayle
Boyle

Don't mind this

Hibees1973
25-10-2024, 12:45 PM
Johnson couldnt play until January

Thought we could recall loans in an emergency.

After Bursik's display last week this is an emergency.

If not we are goosed. Another great decision by recruitment.

McGruber
25-10-2024, 12:58 PM
I’m probably going to contradict myself a bit here, but we’re not losing games in the middle of the park. One exception is Motherwell game where Triantis got sent off and Kwon switched off from a long throw.

In general play I’m happy with the two of them. It’s the third midfield position that is the problematic one for me and, as such, I wouldn’t bother having a third one. Gayle in for Molotnikov and two up top.

It's what Critchley has done in his 2 games so far. 2 up top, 2 wide being aggressive and going out to win the game. Granted they have both been home games, be interesting if it is the same Sunday. Whether we go 2 up or not we don't play with enough attacking players. Motherwell game was prime example. Looking to control possession but it's too over engineered at times. Just need to go for it more, get our best attacking players more involved

hibsbollah
25-10-2024, 01:11 PM
He’s not our biggest issue by any means (all of which are obvious), but I’m surprised Kwon is in as many teams. Game passes him by too much for me and not ideal for a derby.

First name on the teamsheet for a game like this.

flash
25-10-2024, 01:14 PM
He’s not our biggest issue by any means (all of which are obvious), but I’m surprised Kwon is in as many teams. Game passes him by too much for me and not ideal for a derby.

No offence but, given the options, that's a quite incredible opinion.

Tyler Durden
25-10-2024, 01:15 PM
I’m probably going to contradict myself a bit here, but we’re not losing games in the middle of the park. One exception is Motherwell game where Triantis got sent off and Kwon switched off from a long throw.

In general play I’m happy with the two of them. It’s the third midfield position that is the problematic one for me and, as such, I wouldn’t bother having a third one. Gayle in for Molotnikov and two up top.

This is defo the position/place that is up for grabs. Wouldn't be averse to just going with Gayle either.

Re Kwon, he has been badly at fault for 2 crucial goals in the last 2 games. And I also saw some some stats that his progressive passes, moving the ball forward.... were nowhere near as good as Triantis or Newell. I would definitely still be starting him but he does need to produce much more. Clearly a player, but not quite showing enough yet.

JJP
25-10-2024, 01:37 PM
Bursik

Miller (RB)
Ekpiteta (CB)
O'Hora (CB)
Obita (LB)

Triantis (CDM)

Kwon (CM)
Levitt (CM)

Boyle (RW)
Myko (ST)
Youan (LW)

Gayle and Hoilett to come on later in the game and use their experience and quality when hopefully the Hearts players are tired after a busy week.

Brightside
25-10-2024, 01:37 PM
No offence but, given the options, that's a quite incredible opinion.

I've really liked him "on the eye" but his stats are actually really poor. Very surprising. He doesnt win many tackles, and he doesnt complete many forward passes. Triantis was our only midfielder with good stats. Which is pretty good for a CB. :wink:

Contador
25-10-2024, 01:40 PM
I've really liked him "on the eye" but his stats are actually really poor. Very surprising. He doesnt win many tackles, and he doesnt complete many forward passes. Triantis was our only midfielder with good stats. Which is pretty good for a CB. :wink:

That is where I am at with Kwon too. He isn’t much of a battler in terms if tackles won and recoveries, and is too much of a simple ball merchant than trying to play the creative forward pass.

B.H.F.C
25-10-2024, 01:43 PM
It's what Critchley has done in his 2 games so far. 2 up top, 2 wide being aggressive and going out to win the game. Granted they have both been home games, be interesting if it is the same Sunday. Whether we go 2 up or not we don't play with enough attacking players. Motherwell game was prime example. Looking to control possession but it's too over engineered at times. Just need to go for it more, get our best attacking players more involved

For me it’s now or never for Gray. I agree he’s been too cautious. Cadden on the right wing being the best example. He has to go for it, we really have to go for the win here.

I hope Hearts play the same way and just make it an open game so we get chances ourselves. We can’t defend regardless so there’s no point in being cagey then losing a goal to a simple ball lumped in to the box with 10 minutes to go.

bordergreen
25-10-2024, 02:01 PM
Bursik (GK)

Cadden (RB)
Ekpiteta (CB)
O'Hora (CB)
Obita (CB)

Triantis (CM)
Kwon (CM)
Moriah Welsh (CM)

Boyle (RW)
Gayle/Myko (ST)
Youan (LW)

with the option to take Youan off if he is not at it, Boyle to drop back on the right and play Myko and Gayle in a 442

J-C
25-10-2024, 02:30 PM
Bursik

O'Hora Ekpiteta Iredale

Cadden Kwong Triantis Obita

Hoilett

Boyle Myko

hibsbollah
25-10-2024, 02:51 PM
A sexy 3-4-3, swashbuckling up and at 'em.
Bursik

Ekpiteta
O'Hora
any one of Rocky/Obita/Iredale

Kwon
Triantis
Cadden
Hoilett

Gayle
Boyle
Youan

Blaster
25-10-2024, 03:11 PM
Thought Gray said Cadden won’t make it? Lots of teams with Cadden in it.

CapitalGreen
25-10-2024, 03:15 PM
Thought Gray said Cadden won’t make it? Lots of teams with Cadden in it.

Even if fully fit Chris Cadden should be nowhere near the starting XI.

EVENTUALLY
25-10-2024, 04:09 PM
Even if fully fit Chris Cadden should be nowhere near the starting XI.
There’s not a full back or wing back between Cadden and Miller. Both poor. Sorting out that position would go a long way to having a settled defence that could reliably defend first and foremost and provide confidence to their teammates that as a unit they create a solid base.The rest of them could then get on with playing to their strengths and not scurrying back to bail out weak tacklers and blockers.

hibsbollah
25-10-2024, 04:12 PM
Thought Gray said Cadden won’t make it? Lots of teams with Cadden in it.

Not ruled out entirely.

supermcginn
25-10-2024, 04:16 PM
Incredible the amount of teams without Hoilett in them, there's no danger he won't be playing.

B.H.F.C
25-10-2024, 04:22 PM
Incredible the amount of teams without Hoilett in them, there's no danger he won't be playing.

Be interesting to see if the go with the young right back. Playing in the Lowland League until a few weeks ago. You’d like to think Hoilett could get at him.

Bostonhibby
25-10-2024, 05:34 PM
A sexy 3-4-3, swashbuckling up and at 'em.
Bursik

Ekpiteta
O'Hora
any one of Rocky/Obita/Iredale

Kwon
Triantis
Cadden
Hoilett

Gayle
Boyle
Youan

Agree with all of that, outscoring them is our best chance, but could we put McKirdy in goals?

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hibsbollah
25-10-2024, 06:47 PM
Agree with all of that, outscoring them is our best chance, but could we put McKirdy in goals?

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:greengrin

Bursik will perform like some sort of post apocalyptic cat creature, stopping every strike with laser-quick reactions. Fear not. His career, starts here.

Bostonhibby
25-10-2024, 06:50 PM
:greengrin

Bursik will perform like some sort of post apocalyptic cat creature, stopping every strike with laser-quick reactions. Fear not. His career, starts here.Hallelujah, I'm with you brother, don't like cats though, ****** in my garden and the dog can't catch them

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Smartie
25-10-2024, 06:52 PM
I’m looking at all the 433 suggestions and seeing variations on something that looks decent enough on paper but will likely get on exactly how it’s generally got on for years - woefully - irrespective of the personnel.

I think it needs at least a top notch number 10 that we currently lack to get into “maybe” territory.

We’ll be scratching our heads at what looks on paper to be an effective front three making little positive impact on the game.

B.H.F.C
25-10-2024, 07:08 PM
I’m looking at all the 433 suggestions and seeing variations on something that looks decent enough on paper but will likely get on exactly how it’s generally got on for years - woefully - irrespective of the personnel.

I think it needs at least a top notch number 10 that we currently lack to get into “maybe” territory.

We’ll be scratching our heads at what looks on paper to be an effective front three making little positive impact on the game.

Totally agree. We are so weak in than number 10 position that we should just sacrifice that third midfielder to make a gain somewhere else IMO. But I don’t think Gray will.

Scottie
25-10-2024, 07:16 PM
:greengrin

Bursik will perform like some sort of post apocalyptic cat creature, stopping every strike with laser-quick reactions. Fear not. His career, starts here.
A Conrad Logan performance is incoming :agree:

I genuinely believe we will beat this lot on Sunday

Bridge hibs
25-10-2024, 08:10 PM
Hallelujah, I'm with you brother, don't like cats though, ****** in my garden and the dog can't catch them

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Thats not ****s then, if the dogs cant catch them its the runs 😁

supermcginn
27-10-2024, 09:50 AM
He might not be playing though he will certainly be in the squad for Sunday that’s for sure .👍

Once again you are spectacularly wrong, he's not in the squad.

Donegal Hibby
27-10-2024, 10:03 AM
Once again you are spectacularly wrong, he's not in the squad.

What a strange fellow you are ! Don’t mind who’s in the squad as long as we get a result.

supermcginn
27-10-2024, 10:12 AM
What a strange fellow you are ! Don’t mind who’s in the squad as long as we get a result.

😂 Thanks for the bite. Cmon the hibees.