Ellie Youan.

[Paul1642]

Where is he and what’s going on behind the scenes. I know he wanted away but unless he’s completely chucked the towel, Its utterly bizarre that our technically best player can’t even get a sniff of a game whilst we can’t buy a win and are persisting with Cadden in an attacking role?

[Exuberance1875]

He’s one of our best players and needs to player every minute he can

[Coco Bryce]

He doesn't want to play for us.

[JimBHibees]

Was he on the bench

[Paul1642]

Was he on the bench

Obviously I know where he physically was, and the fact he’s on the bench simply raised more questions.

It means he’s fit and available so should be on the pitch. If he’s attitude was so badly in question that it is the issue, then he shouldn’t be on the bench at all.

Edit: I read your post as “he was on the bench”

He was an unused sub today

[Waxy]

He’s one of our best players and needs to player every minute he can

I agree.Awesome player at his best.

[SHODAN]

He doesn't want to play for us.

Yup.

[flash]

He doesn't want to play for us.

That would still make him better than several other members of the squad.

[HarpOnHibee]

Doesn't want to play for us. But then again, I wouldn't want to play for us amongst that lot either. He could well be off before ever putting on the shirt again.

[Northernhibee]

Another example of a player who becomes better the longer he’s not playing.

[SeanWilson]

In a team that can’t even do the basics, we can’t afford a maverick.

Youan, while capable of doing some brilliant things, doesn’t try at all on the pitch for hibs off the ball and is 50/50 on the ball.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Obviously I know where he physically was, and the fact he’s on the bench simply raised more questions.

It means he’s fit and available so should be on the pitch. If he’s attitude was so badly in question that it is the issue, then he shouldn’t be on the bench at all.

Edit: I read your post as “he was on the bench”

He was an unused sub today

:agree:

If his heart isn’t in it, leave him out completely. If it is, play him.

The idea he’s sitting on the bench but we’ve no intention of playing him should be silly. Unfortunately at Hibs, it’s completely plausible.

[SickBoy32]

Dock his wages

Non trier

[bingo70]

He doesn't want to play for us.

No wonder, we’re *****.

I know people bang on about his attitude but I want a manager who gets the best out of players like him, not just disregard him as he’s not a hard working robot.

Under the current management we wouldn’t have had Stokes and Latapy amongst others as they aren’t ’good people’.

[flash]

Dock his wages

Non trier

Want to narrow that down a bit?

[whiskas]

The one good thing about Youan is that if you won the competition for his 'match worn' shirt you wouldn't need to worry about it smelling of sweat (and that was before he downed tools).

Send him to do some half-time ball juggling with the U18s. I'm sure the man and his dog taking a walk round East Mains will appreciate his skills

[Bronson]

Don't care about him anymore. Has 0 respect for the club and we are in a dogfight now. Get rid asap

[Real Emerald]

He’s getting paid so he should be made to apply himself, it’s a disgrace this has been allowed to fester. He has a contract of employment and needs to start working for it.

[Jones28]

He’s not interested in kicking a ball for Hibs.

[EGL2000]

Another example of a player who becomes better the longer he’s not playing.

Have you seen his stats for Hibs. Among the best of any recent player and actually get fans off their seats.

[Northernhibee]

Have you seen his stats for Hibs. Among the best of any recent player and actually get fans off their seats.

I’ve watched him play. One good game in ten.

Following stats with no regard to how they actually play has led us to the ****show of a state we’re in. We need proper footballing people running the club, not Carol Vorderman.

[tonyrougier123]

Players who don’t want to play for hibs should be sold or let go, attitude is key when signing players. Personal gains are fine but not to the detriment of squad harmony and “team” effort.

Mental attributes are a key part of any successful football player, seen many mercurial talents not reach the heights over the years that lacked mental fortitude.

Unfortunately despite some abhorrent online interactions ive always felt Ellie Youan lacks some key team importance issues.

Undoubted is his ability to impact games when in the mood.

[Not In The Know]

Another example of terrible management by the club officials. They were holding out for some fantastical bid that would never come.

he’s been wanting away since he didn’t want to sign !!

[HIBS NUTS]

No wonder he doesn’t want to play , guy shouting your a rat, from block 7.
At least some hibs fans shouted, at the twat to shut up.

[lucky]

He is like a man short when he plays as he wants away. We should have snapped up the £2m, if it was ever there, but just think how BK, MM and IG could have wasted that as well.

[kentao]

He doesnt meet SDG non-negotiable standards so rightly doesn't feature. Until he screws the nut and starts working hard for the team on and off the ball I don't expect to see him in a Hibs shirt.

[Callum_62]

It's the management's job to get his head in the game

The same way Thelin has managed with Duk

Get him right or out the squad

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[Paulie Walnuts]

He doesnt meet SDG non-negotiable standards so rightly doesn't feature. Until he screws the nut and starts working hard for the team on and off the ball I don't expect to see him in a Hibs shirt.

Then why’s he on the bench?

[B.H.F.C]

He doesnt meet SDG non-negotiable standards so rightly doesn't feature. Until he screws the nut and starts working hard for the team on and off the ball I don't expect to see him in a Hibs shirt.

Standards? What standards?

[Chorley Hibee]

He doesnt meet SDG non-negotiable standards so rightly doesn't feature. Until he screws the nut and starts working hard for the team on and off the ball I don't expect to see him in a Hibs shirt.

The idea that Hibs have standards is frankly laughable.

[Nicho87]

This situation needs addressed

Is he ever playing again or not

Simple really?

[Unseen work]

One of our best players.

Should be starting every game

[Iain G]

I agree.Awesome player at his best.

And better off with a traffic cone in the team at his worst

[one day maybe...]

The two late goals are criminal from the keeper

[Mrimbetween]

One of our best players.

Should be starting every game

So why isnt he, says it all, the guys an issue bordering on a gob ***** or he would be playing every week

[Gatecrasher]

I hope folk aren't building him up to be something he isn't, I can't mind the last time he had a good game for us.

[Callum_62]

So why isnt he, says it all, the guys an issue bordering on a gob ***** or he would be playing every weekAnd yet the manager still names him on the bench?

If he's that much of a gob ***** show some balls and keep him out the squad

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[bingo70]

The two late goals are criminal from the keeper

We signed a goalie that hadn’t played first team football for 18 months and when he did play, wasn’t popular with the fans at his club at the time.

We can’t be overly surprised at him being gash.

Sorry, just realised this is the Ellie Youan thread, point still stands though.

[kentao]

Standards? What standards?


https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/david-grays-non-negotiables-hibs-interim-manager-nick-montgomery-replacement-4633347
"put an emphasis on a few non-negotiables that I believe I’d like my teams to have, or at least to see from the players.
That’s 100% effort and commitment all the time; whether that’s sprinting back or sprinting forwards. And just a collective team performance where everyone is doing everything they possibly can to make sure that you’re harder to beat."


The last time Youan was on the pitch he offered nothing in the work rate department, the boys in the huff and Hibs will be the highlight of his career which is a shame for someone with so much potential. quicker he's off the payroll the better.

[1875M]

He doesnt meet SDG non-negotiable standards so rightly doesn't feature. Until he screws the nut and starts working hard for the team on and off the ball I don't expect to see him in a Hibs shirt.

Needed a laugh, cheers for this. ‘Non negotiables’ - is one of these being bottom of the league? Boys our best player, should be starting every game.

[B.H.F.C]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/david-grays-non-negotiables-hibs-interim-manager-nick-montgomery-replacement-4633347
"put an emphasis on a few non-negotiables that I believe I’d like my teams to have, or at least to see from the players.
That’s 100% effort and commitment all the time; whether that’s sprinting back or sprinting forwards. And just a collective team performance where everyone is doing everything they possibly can to make sure that you’re harder to beat."


The last time Youan was on the pitch he offered nothing in the work rate department, the boys in the huff and Hibs will be the highlight of his career which is a shame for someone with so much potential. quicker he's off the payroll the better.


That’s just a lot of words that any manager would come out with. There is nothing to demonstrate that the rest of the are meeting those standards.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

That’s just a lot of words that any manager would come out with. There is nothing to demonstrate that the rest of the are meeting those standards.

I saw those standards up until we played Kelty. I haven’t seen anything since. That’s either on Gray or it’s on the players.

[LaMotta]

Youan has been hopeless but it's Gray's job to get him to try! If he can't motivate him he's in the wrong job.

Why the **** did we not take a multi million pound offer for him? Like why?! How is the club getting so many things wrong?

[IberianHibernian]

On his day a fantastic player , far too good for our league but he hasn`t shown that in brief chances he`s been given this season . Thought he should have been given more time last season too . Even when off form he was more than useful - doubles v Hearts and Motherwell for example . Would love to see him regain form and motivation but can`t see it happening soon ( today was perfect time for him to make an impression in last half hour ) .

[kentao]

Needed a laugh, cheers for this. ‘Non negotiables’ - is one of these being bottom of the league? Boys our best player, should be starting every game.

Was he our best player when he came on against Rangers? The great Harry McKirdy offered more than Youan the superstar.

[1875M]

Was he our best player when he came on against Rangers? The great Harry McKirdy offered more than Youan the superstar.

No but he’s had almost 30 goal involvements in 2 seasons, that’s how I know he’s our best player. His attitude has been poor this season, but to deny he’s our best player is shambolic.

[Carheenlea]

If he’s not trying hard enough in training, being a negative influence or just not interested then it makes no sense that he’s included in the match day squads?

Looks to me like he’s a player that David Gray just isn’t that keen on. Or could it be that Mackay isn’t keen on him and he’s influencing the limiting of his game time from the background?

[B.H.F.C]

If he’s not trying hard enough in training, being a negative influence or just not interested then it makes no sense that he’s included in the match day squads?

Looks to me like he’s a player that David Gray just isn’t that keen on. Or could it be that Mackay isn’t keen on him and he’s influencing the limiting of his game time from the background?

Gray prefers a player that is deemed to be hardworking to those that might win you a game. But even with the hardworking players on the park we lose goal after goal anyway.

[Callum_62]

Or could it be that Mackay isn’t keen on him and he’s influencing the limiting of his game time from the background?

What on earth gives you that thought?

Gray is obviously trying to teach him some kind of lesson or something but he needs to get that sorted for the benefit of the team asap



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[GreenCastle]

I don’t get this situation now.

You either leave him out the squad or you have him involved.

Having him on the bench and not playing him is just odd.

I personally would start him and make sure you have someone who can defend for him but he’s a maverick and we need his skills / speed.

But if Gray and co don’t think he’s on the right frame of mind or arsed then why have him on the bench - what message does that send out ?

[Unseen work]

Gray prefers a player that is deemed to be hardworking to those that might win you a game. But even with the hardworking players on the park we lose goal after goal anyway.

It’s because the hardworking players need someone that can do something with it when we finally have the ball or need to keep it

An out ball like Elie yesterday when winning for example could take us 20-30 yards up the park easily

Yesterday before one of the goals Levitt played a lovely through ball to Campbell who could have ran towards goals, he then hesitated and thought he’d go to the corner before being easily dispossessed and he fell over. About 30 seconds later the ball was in the net.

Of course Elie gives it away cheaply at times, but it’s the threat he offers.

Declan Gallagher would have been dreading him picking the ball up there and he’d have got skinned.

[hibee-boys]

Makes complete sense to have a guy with 20 goal involvements last season sitting on the bench this season🙄 Persisting with Cadden in that role and Campbell being his go to sub will get SDG the sack. But hey ho, at least these players have a great attitude🤷🏼😂

[percy veer]

Another example of a player who becomes better the longer he’s not playing.

Absolute chicken heart not what is needed in a relegation battle that we are now in the amount of goals we conceded last season from him just giving up was scandalous

[K-Zazu]

Why doesn’t any journalists or any of our ‘yes gaffer, ok gaffer’ Linkedin mob ever ask what’s going on? Same with JDH, Amos, Kenneh etc.. The fans deserve to know what’s going on with players that are not getting minutes but are training all week.

[Largshibby]

Youan has been hopeless but it's Gray's job to get him to try! If he can't motivate him he's in the wrong job.

Why the **** did we not take a multi million pound offer for him? Like why?! How is the club getting so many things wrong?

The club were quite rightly holding out for the best deal for our best player with weeks remaining of the transfer window. Then he gets himself injured with a stupid challenge in the last minute of a game we’re winning 5 nil. That’s why he’s still here.

[LaMotta]

The club were quite rightly holding out for the best deal for our best player with weeks remaining of the transfer window. Then he gets himself injured with a stupid challenge in the last minute of a game we’re winning 5 nil. That’s why he’s still here.

We got offered a more than tremendous deal for a player that isn't even in the managers plans.

If in January we got half of what was offered back in May we'd be doing well the way things are.

[Largshibby]

We got offered a more than tremendous deal for a player that isn't even in the managers plans.

If in January we got half of what was offered back in May we'd be doing well the way things are.

He might not be in the plans now but he would have been at the start of the season based on his previous efforts and the hope of driving up his value. Getting himself injured unnecessarily has been bad for all parties.

[hibsbollah]

Theres been some exaggeration when it comes to Youan, and some utter rubbish talked too frankly.

Basically, hes a player with a very low floor anda a very high ceiling. There is a good case for playing him from the start in the derby, simply because he has the ability to do things that other Hibs players cant. And lets face it, we’re desperate at this point.

[Hibernian Verse]

Theres been some exaggeration when it comes to Youan, and some utter rubbish talked too frankly.

Basically, hes a player with a very low floor anda a very high ceiling. There is a good case for playing him from the start in the derby, simply because he has the ability to do things that other Hibs players cant. And lets face it, we’re desperate at this point.

Such as the mystery fantastic bid that we never actually received.

[JohnM1875]

See someone was moaning about Youan going over to clap the fans on Saturday

‘Youan was the one who came right up to the away fans and clapped for ages, along with Smith.

With Youan it just stinks of him trying to play fans against management, right or wrongly. It was a bit like ‘look, the fans love me, play me’

****ing hell. Guy can do nothing right.

Edit: apparently it was from a post on here?! Didn't see it.

[SickBoy32]

Such as the mystery fantastic bid that we never actually received.

Was the rotund jambo just making up ***** then ?

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cg331l072rxo.amp

[wookie70]

I'm not his greatest fan but it is crazy how little time he has had from the bench. Youan would be far better with a proper right/left back behind him. Ours get forward so often we are really weak down whatever side Youan would play, You would think though with two holding midfielders they should be able to help out but I'm not seeing great signs of that. He deserves a chance and he has shown how devastating he can be against Hearts. For me I would have Boyle in front of Cadden. Tell Boyle to empty the tank and play for 60-70 mins and then bring Youan on in his place. He still needs to work though and he would get fans right behind him if he showed more willingness to work for the team. It is a tough environment to come into though for a creative player and I wonder if SDG is protecting him a bit.

[hibee-boys]

A fit and ready Youan should be getting minutes in those forward positions long before Levitt, McKirdy, Cadden, Campbell and even Rudi who’s still developing. If he’s not ready to play then why would he even be on the bench? I’d understand if we were flying high and on a good run.

[The Spaceman]

Elie Youan needs to play - he’s our most technically gifted and talented footballer whose head has dropped massively (no surprises - club is a joke and he’s far from home). Even a half arsed Elie Youan is better than any version of Josh Campbell.

[LaMotta]

Such as the mystery fantastic bid that we never actually received.


Was the rotund jambo just making up ***** then ?

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cg331l072rxo.amp


Not sure why anyone thinks the offer wasn't received. If the Hibs Observer says we received it then there is a high probability we did.

https://www.hibsobserver.co.uk/news/24351255.hibernian-receive-2-5m-bid-star-player-club-weigh-offer/

[LaMotta]

Theres been some exaggeration when it comes to Youan, and some utter rubbish talked too frankly.

Basically, hes a player with a very low floor anda a very high ceiling. There is a good case for playing him from the start in the derby, simply because he has the ability to do things that other Hibs players cant. And lets face it, we’re desperate at this point.

Lets be honest too, Hearts fans and players wouldn't be happy to see him starting on Sunday. Still can't believe Monty had him on the bench for the xmas derby.

[CL0762]

Absolute chicken heart not what is needed in a relegation battle that we are now in the amount of goals we conceded last season from him just giving up was scandalous

Can you show goals lost directly from Elie “just giving up”? It must be a lot based on your post.

Some of the ***** posted on this thread is incredible reading.

[Hibees1973]

Baffles me why he was on the bench the last two games but didn't get 1 minute.

Very strange. Understand he has been p*sh in the past (so have others) but he always got some minutes.

Gray was quoted a couple of weeks ago that Elie is training well and was fit to play.

Just another thing among a whole load of strange things that are happening at the moment.

[ehf]

Can you show goals lost directly from Elie “just giving up”? It must be a lot based on your post.

Some of the ***** posted on this thread is incredible reading.

Against Aberdeen at Hampden in the LC semi for starters.

[flash]

Against Aberdeen at Hampden in the LC semi for starters.

Where Miller fell over and Levitt ran like he was pulling a truck behind him?

[CL0762]

Against Aberdeen at Hampden in the LC semi for starters.

Elie didn’t give up, he played a slackish ball into the middle of the park that was intercepted by Shinnie.

Lewis Miller then flung himself to the floor at which point an already slowing down Newell gesticulates for a free kick. Miovski then runs unopposed from the halfway line, slots past Marshall who’s stuck to his line.

But aye, that was all Elie’s fault 😂

Some agenda folk have against him, I wonder what it really is.

[LaMotta]

Against Aberdeen at Hampden in the LC semi for starters.


Where Miller fell over and Levitt ran like he was pulling a truck behind him?

Obita was the main culprit v Aberdeen for totally switching off and not tracking Miovski. Youan was way down the list of people to blame that day.

He was totally to blame at Ross County away, shat out a challenge V Celtic that led to the last min Pen, and gave the ball away at St Mirren in the last minute. Monty should have had him subbed off at Ross County and St Mirren though. Elli had set up goals in both games to get us into winning positions. Mismanagement due to his obvious defensive failings.

[GreenCastle]

I don’t really see what Cadden has been offering at the back or going forward - if he was playing well fine but he looks finished.

Youan should be starting - we do have an issue of Miller behind him who like obituary struggles to defend 1v1s properly.

We also have the 3-5-2 v 4-2-3-1 issue and where does Ellie play.

Youan up top with Gayle or Myko could be interesting.

Bottom line is we are bottom of the league not scoring many goals and we have a guy who can score and assist sitting there doing nothing.

If we are never going to play him again just be open with the fans and get a young player in bench - no point having him on bench if he never plays.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

I don’t really see what Cadden has been offering at the back or going forward - if he was playing well fine but he looks finished.

Youan should be starting - we do have an issue of Miller behind him who like obituary struggles to defend 1v1s properly.

We also have the 3-5-2 v 4-2-3-1 issue and where does Ellie play.

Youan up top with Gayle or Myko could be interesting.

Bottom line is we are bottom of the league not scoring many goals and we have a guy who can score and assist sitting there doing nothing.

If we are never going to play him again just be open with the fans and get a young player in bench - no point having him on bench if he never plays.

Ironic calling Obita, Obituary. He seems to feature heavily in every post mortem after we concede a goal.

[superfurryhibby]

Youan should be playing on Sunday, we need creativity and we need goals. Maybe the last throw of the dice for Gray, he needs to gamble and Youan needs to step up to the platter.

[RMQ1967]

Youan should be playing on Sunday, we need creativity and we need goals. Maybe the last throw of the dice for Gray, he needs to gamble and Youan needs to step up to the platter.

Did you see the pathetic contributions from Youan in his last few ambles around the pitch?

We can score goals, the problem is we have too many other ball watchers taking leisurely strolls around the pitch to defend properly.

I wouldn't have him anywhere near the first team with that stinking attitude.

[SickBoy32]

Can you show goals lost directly from Elie “just giving up”? It must be a lot based on your post.

Some of the ***** posted on this thread is incredible reading.

Shat it and pulled out of a challenge (60/40 in his favour, at least) at ER vs Celtic, west touch line. 2nd half of last season I think.

Moments later ball is in the net.

[SickBoy32]

Not sure why anyone thinks the offer wasn't received. If the Hibs Observer says we received it then there is a high probability we did.

https://www.hibsobserver.co.uk/news/24351255.hibernian-receive-2-5m-bid-star-player-club-weigh-offer/

Utterly dreadful decision by our executive team to turn down whatever offer we got.

Youan has always had a questionable mentality, not too surprising he has downed tools and went in the huff like a child. Done the same at his previous club too, leaving under a cloud.

[HH81]

Utterly dreadful decision by our executive team to turn down whatever offer we got.

Youan has always had a questionable mentality, not too surprising he has downed tools and went in the huff like a child. Done the same at his previous club too, leaving under a cloud.

Maybe Youan rejected the move?

[superfurryhibby]

Did you see the pathetic contributions from Youan in his last few ambles around the pitch?

We can score goals, the problem is we have too many other ball watchers taking leisurely strolls around the pitch to defend properly.

I wouldn't have him anywhere near the first team with that stinking attitude.

Our goals for record this season suggests that you are wrong.

I watched Youan v St Johnston, he was returning from injury and was undoubtedly poor.

The first team has plenty of players with the right "attitude", it's just that they're rubbish at football. That doesn't stop them being played in every game.

We need goals, Youan can create and score them.

[hibsbollah]

The first team has plenty of players with the right "attitude", it's just that they're rubbish at football. That doesn't stop them being played in every game.

We need goals, Youan can create and score them.

Correct.

I’d also add that even at a lunchtime kickoff, there’s a different kind of atmosphere for a derby. He’s shown he relishes them. Youan’s also not stupid, he knows that for the sake of his career he’s going to have to perform.

[easty]

Youan isn’t in the team and we’re still brutal at defending out wide

Get him in, he’ll no help with our inability to defend, but he’ll at least offer something at the top end of the park.

[JohnM1875]

Youan isn’t in the team and we’re still brutal at defending out wide

Get him in, he’ll no help with our inability to defend, but he’ll at least offer something at the top end of the park.

Spot on! We had two RB’s playing on Saturday and we still got torn apart by Glen ****ing Middleton.

Youan has to play.

[GreenCastle]

Correct.

I’d also add that even at a lunchtime kickoff, there’s a different kind of atmosphere for a derby. He’s shown he relishes them. Youan’s also not stupid, he knows that for the sake of his career he’s going to have to perform.

Especially when the game is on TV etc.

He’s a maverick type for a reason - he’s at Hibs for a reason.

For me he starts - and as someone said above Hearts won’t want to see him starting as they know he can cause them damage.

[Bishop Hibee]

I’ve watched him play. One good game in ten.

Following stats with no regard to how they actually play has led us to the ****show of a state we’re in. We need proper footballing people running the club, not Carol Vorderman.

That’s simply not true. He’s one of our best players and should at least be getting game time off the bench. We can’t score goals and one of our best goalscorers is sitting idle. I can’t fathom how he gets slated when players like Campbell and Moriah-Welsh get praised cause they run about a lot.

[RMQ1967]

Our goals for record this season suggests that you are wrong.

I watched Youan v St Johnston, he was returning from injury and was undoubtedly poor.

The first team has plenty of players with the right "attitude", it's just that they're rubbish at football. That doesn't stop them being played in every game.

We need goals, Youan can create and score them.

He's been undoubtedly poor in every game since he returned from injury - in fact utterly abysmal but it seems people have very short memories.

You ignore the fact that we can score goals - we just can't stop them going against us

Youan is the solution to nothing at the moment.
He's the epitome of everything that's wrong with the team - can't mark, can't tackle, doesn't know when to pass, he's too slow & has the work ethic of a sloth

[flash]

He's been undoubtedly poor in every game since he returned from injury - in fact utterly abysmal but it seems people have very short memories.

You ignore the fact that we can score goals - we just can't stop them going against us

Youan is the solution to nothing at the moment.
He's the epitome of everything that's wrong with the team - can't mark, can't tackle, doesn't know when to pass, he's too slow & has the work ethic of a sloth

10 goals and 10 assists for a man with absolutely no qualities whatsoever.

[Smartie]

He’s looked a million miles off being able to contribute in his outings this season.

I love the idea that all that’s wrong is the failure to give our flawed genius an adequate opportunity but I’m 99% sure he’d have been worse than the players who have been substandard in his place.

Youan, Newell… these are folk who will do what you need them to do every so often. A lot of the time, too often, they’ll let you down and if you expect more from them but they don’t deliver then that’s on you.

We need rid of them as much as the ones who don’t get into the match day squads but who are picking up big wages.

Gray’s hands are tied and Youan is just another stick to beat him with.

[Coco Bryce]

He's downed tools and chucked it.

What's the point in playing him. He's about as interested in playing for Hibs as JDH.

[BoomtownHibees]

He's been undoubtedly poor in every game since he returned from injury - in fact utterly abysmal but it seems people have very short memories.

You ignore the fact that we can score goals - we just can't stop them going against us

Youan is the solution to nothing at the moment.
He's the epitome of everything that's wrong with the team - can't mark, can't tackle, doesn't know when to pass, he's too slow & has the work ethic of a sloth

We are the joint lowest scorers in the league so can’t agree with the “we can score goals”

[NorthNorfolkHFC]

I’m not Youann’s biggest fan from a personality POV, seen loads of guys like him with bags of ability but lacking in something that prevents them being a top player.

Despite this, at our level, his ability is undoubted. The last wee while he has been like a man down but it’s the coaching team’s job to find a way to motivate and engage him and get him either starting or making an impact as a sub.


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[RMQ1967]

We are the joint lowest scorers in the league so can’t agree with the “we can score goals”

"Hibernian have lost seven points from winning positions in the Premiership this season, no team has lost more."

Same story as last season - Youan isn't the solution.

[Nicho87]

Watching hibs just now is stale and sorry to say a little bit boring in an attacking sense

I want to see our best attacking players on the park at all times

Boyle Hoillett Youan

With gayle or myk up front would be a good attacking front 4

[LaMotta]

Watching hibs just now is stale and sorry to say a little bit boring in an attacking sense

I want to see our best attacking players on the park at all times

Boyle Hoillett Youan

With gayle or myk up front would be a good attacking front 4

:agree:

[RMQ1967]

Watching hibs just now is stale and sorry to say a little bit boring in an attacking sense

I want to see our best attacking players on the park at all times

Boyle Hoillett Youan

With gayle or myk up front would be a good attacking front 4

It looks wonderful on paper. If all were performing at the top of their game it would be superb.

Back to reality, Boyle has been performing at 3 or 4 out of 10 on average & Youan something below that. Hoillett is currently one of the few bright sparks.

[Nicho87]

It looks wonderful on paper. If all were performing at the top of their game it would be superb.

Back to reality, Boyle has been performing at 3 or 4 out of 10 on average & Youan something below that. Hoillett is currently one of the few bright sparks.

The results don’t really back sticking with the cadden right winger approach and rudi as much as I like him

He gave the ball away two or three times in dangerous areas, one being the build up to Uniteds opener

I’d play all four

We can’t defend so we mays well try and score goals

[500miles]

As someone who has always backed Youan, he's done here. He doesnt want to be here, probably doesn't like the fans based on his interactions with us, and his few appearances since the start of the league have been so bad, it's like he's trying to be left out.

[Jones28]

It's a poor situation all round that the relationship between player and club has broken down to this point, but if SDG is leaving Youan out to the extent that he is then its clear that there's been a falling out behind the scenes.

I can't imagine any manager looking at a player favourably after the level of performance Elie put in against St Johnston. It screamed of a player being "in the huff".

I would love peak Elie Youan to be starting every week but it isn't going to happen.

[superfurryhibby]

It looks wonderful on paper. If all were performing at the top of their game it would be superb.

Back to reality, Boyle has been performing at 3 or 4 out of 10 on average & Youan something below that. Hoillett is currently one of the few bright sparks.

Back to reality? The reality is we’re not scoring goals, not enough to counter how many we lose. The goals stats show we are the league’s lowest scorers.

Boyle has also had an injury hit season and despite your low ratings, I think he’s contributed a bit more than that when he’s played.

Youan had played 67 minutes of league football. He was dire v St Johnstone, no denying it. However, he was returning from injury. There hasn’t been enough football to judge him on.

Moalida’s first appearance at Hibs last season v Huns. He was awful, thankfully he showed more in the next dozen or so games.

You don’t like Youan, fair enough but let’s stop talking mince.

[BoomtownHibees]

"Hibernian have lost seven points from winning positions in the Premiership this season, no team has lost more."

Same story as last season - Youan isn't the solution.

Your original point was that we are scoring goals. The numbers tell you otherwise

[NorthNorfolkHFC]

Selective remembering.

Maloida wasn’t mince. He was really unfit but there were clear glimpses of quality that were obvious.

Youann isn’t half the player he is, but there is a player in there. The question is if his head is in it and our coaching staff can nurture him enough to get a tune out of him.


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[RMQ1967]

Your original point was that we are scoring goals. The numbers tell you otherwise

The numbers tell me we are scoring 8 goals - enough to have won several games.
1-0 up v Killie until the 90th minute
2-1 up v Dundee until the 88th minute
2-1 up v Well until the 80th minute
2-1 up v Utd until the 93rd minute

The problem is we're conceding nearly 2 a game - Youan won't fix that.

[RMQ1967]

Back to reality? The reality is we’re not scoring goals, not enough to counter how many we lose. The goals stats show we are the league’s lowest scorers.

Boyle has also had an injury hit season and despite your low ratings, I think he’s contributed a bit more than that when he’s played.

Youan had played 67 minutes of league football. He was dire v St Johnstone, no denying it. However, he was returning from injury. There hasn’t been enough football to judge him on.

Moalida’s first appearance at Hibs last season v Huns. He was awful, thankfully he showed more in the next dozen or so games.

You don’t like Youan, fair enough but let’s stop talking mince.

He was returning from injury!!! This is the mince - stop making excuses for the guy - Hoillett also hadn't kicked a ball for us, it didn't stop him putting in a great effort for the team.

There's a difference between not being match sharp & not trying a leg to help his teammates.
He has talent no doubt but if he doesn't bring the work ethic he's not part of the solution.

[JohnM1875]

He was returning from injury!!! This is the mince - stop making excuses for the guy - Hoillett also hadn't kicked a ball for us, it didn't stop him putting in a great effort for the team.

There's a difference between not being match sharp & not trying a leg to help his teammates.
He has talent no doubt but if he doesn't bring the work ethic he's not part of the solution.

You're spot on. It's a well known fact that all players recover from injury exactly the same way.

[RMQ1967]

You're spot on. It's a well known fact that all players recover from injury exactly the same way.

What on earth are you talking about? Either he's fit to play and can put in a shift or he's not & shouldn't be on the pitch.

What most people seen in the 2 or 3 times that he was on the pitch was a guy who looked like he couldn't give a toss if we won or lost. Unacceptable given our current situation.

[RIP]

We have so rarely played Elie in the position we signed him to play that he could be eligible to sue us for breach of contract. 😉

We signed him as an attacker with an eye for goal. He's naturally two-footed and can also jump too.

Only at Hibs would we criticise his ability to defend. Did we critise Gordon Durie, Riordan, O'Connor, Griffiths or Stokes for their defending?

[JohnM1875]

What on earth are you talking about? Either he's fit to play and can put in a shift or he's not & shouldn't be on the pitch.

What most people seen in the 2 or 3 times that he was on the pitch was a guy who looked like he couldn't give a toss if we won or lost. Unacceptable given our current situation.

Because Hoilett came back from an injury and performed well that automatically means Youan must do the same nah? Players can't take longer to find form again. Because Hoilett, a seasoned pro didn't.

[B.H.F.C]

We have so rarely played Elie in the position we signed him to play that he could be eligible to sue us for breach of contract. 😉

We signed him as an attacker with an eye for goal. He's naturally two-footed and can also jump too.

Only at Hibs would we criticise his ability to defend. Did we critise Gordon Durie, Riordan, O'Connor, Griffiths or Stokes for their defending?

Not that much but I’d suggest they were all a fair bit better for Hibs than Youan has been.

[RMQ1967]

Because Hoilett came back from an injury and performed well that automatically means Youan must do the same nah? Players can't take longer to find form again. Because Hoilett, a seasoned pro didn't.

You're missing the point - I don't care too much if he performs well as long as he tries. All people want to see is him putting in a little effort.

[CentreLine]

You're spot on. It's a well known fact that all players recover from injury exactly the same way.

You’d think it would be very likely that a player, fit enough to be on the bench, would have shown themselves ready to play. Youan got several outings, before and after his ridiculous injury v St Johnstone, somehow it looked like he’d forgotten to take his pods out of his ears. Absolute nothing in any of his appearances, I’m loath to say performances, this season suggests to me he wants to play football for Hibs. We know he is a superb talent and we’d all love to see him show that for us. Whatever his reasons, he doesn’t. I hope he gets the move he wants and that he enjoys a fabulous, contented, life but I do not want to see any player representing Hibernian FC without making any effort.

[superfurryhibby]

You’d think it would be very likely that a player, fit enough to be on the bench, would have shown themselves ready to play. Youan got several outings, before and after his ridiculous injury v St Johnstone, somehow it looked like he’d forgotten to take his pods out of his ears. Absolute nothing in any of his appearances, I’m loath to say performances, this season suggests to me he wants to play football for Hibs. We know he is a superb talent and we’d all love to see him show that for us. Whatever his reasons, he doesn’t. I hope he gets the move he wants and that he enjoys a fabulous, contented, life but I do not want to see any player representing Hibernian FC without making any effort.

Youan has played 67 minutes of league football this season, from two appearances. He was rubbish against St Johnston, for all the 45 minutes he was on the pitch. He wasn't injured against them though, he was actually returning from injury. Small points , but still, the devil is in the detail and you are all over the place.

As for not trying, that is very subjective. He isn't a chaser of lost causes or a heidless chicken type of player, that the nature of his game. Effort takes you so far, right now we need a bit more than bluster, we have that in abundance.

He is ready to play, otherwise he wouldn't be on the bench.

[hibee-boys]

Who would you rather picking up the ball on the final 3rd? Cadden, Campbell, Mckirdy…..find a formation that lets Ellie do what he does best. Sick to death of hearing about the defensive qualities of players signed to create/score goals. Many of the goals we’ve shipped this season have had fxxx all to do with how good our front 3/4 were in chasing down the ball. We consistently have 6/7 players behind the ball defending, if they can’t be trusted in that what’s the point. Modern football really does my head in, this is the SPL not Champions League. Hoilett, Boyle….and Ellie have the skills to destroy most SPL defences, let them do their job🤷🏼

[snedzuk]

I cant help but see parallels between Youan and Duk and Aberdeen seem to have managed that situation.

[J-C]

You need to defend from the front, we don't do enough of that and Youan isn't great at it.

[hibsbollah]

He was returning from injury!!! This is the mince - stop making excuses for the guy - Hoillett also hadn't kicked a ball for us, it didn't stop him putting in a great effort for the team.

There's a difference between not being match sharp & not trying a leg to help his teammates.
He has talent no doubt but if he doesn't bring the work ethic he's not part of the solution.

Some of that might be true, or it might not, but you’re missing two obvious things here;
1. Youan is a professional. That means he knows he needs to perform on a big stage to maximise his earnings. There are VERY VERY few professionals that deliberately don’t try in games. Because its self-defeating. There is no bigger stage for him to repeat his fantastic performance in the 2-2 derby.
2. Just because you think he hasnt tried in previous games, that doesnt mean he wont try in the derby. Less than 70 mins of actual action on the pitch since his injury isnt much body of evidence, is it?

[BoomtownHibees]

The numbers tell me we are scoring 8 goals - enough to have won several games.


Clearly not

[SickBoy32]

Some of that might be true, or it might not, but you’re missing two obvious things here;
1. Youan is a professional. That means he knows he needs to perform on a big stage to maximise his earnings. There are VERY VERY few professionals that deliberately don’t try in games. Because its self-defeating. There is no bigger stage for him to repeat his fantastic performance in the 2-2 derby.
2. Just because you think he hasnt tried in previous games, that doesnt mean he wont try in the derby. Less than 70 mins of actual action on the pitch since his injury isnt much body of evidence, is it?

The guy doesn’t want to be here, and his lack of effort is there for all to see.

Absolutely no excuse for his idle attitude, he’s no even that good when he is interested 😂

https://x.com/totalcristiano/status/1848986314458169538

[hibsbollah]

The guy doesn’t want to be here, and his lack of effort is there for all to see.

Absolutely no excuse for his idle attitude, he’s no even that good when he is interested 😂

https://x.com/totalcristiano/status/1848986314458169538

Youve not really engaged with my points have you. Kind of a pointless contribution.

[SickBoy32]

Youve not really engaged with my points have you. Kind of a pointless contribution.

Didn’t really know how to engage with nonsense such as:

‘Aye he might not have tried previously, but that doesn’t suggest he won’t try next time’

The guys attitude is ****ing stinking, and if you look through his past career this isn’t the first time he’s thrown a wee tantrum (probably to the detriment of his career as you say). He can be a decent player on his day - but a really poor mentality more than negates that IMO

[superfurryhibby]

Didn’t really know how to engage with nonsense such as:

‘Aye he might not have tried previously, but that doesn’t suggest he won’t try next time’

The guys attitude is ****ing stinking, and if you look through his past career this isn’t the first time he’s thrown a wee tantrum (probably to the detriment of his career as you say). He can be a decent player on his day - but a really poor mentality more than negates that IMO

Why are you quoting something Hibsbollah didn't actually say?

He actually said "Just because you think he hasnt tried in previous games, that doesn't mean he wont try in the derby". The key part you omitted is quite crucial.

Your laughing emoji and misquoting doesn't really add anything to the conversation, neither does talking about not being able to engage with nonsense, dearie me.

His poor mentality is entirely subjective and as for throwing wee tantrums elsewhere, care to enlighten us, or have you just made that up to suit your own misguided attempt at debate?

FWIW, I don't Gray will play Youan.

[hibsbollah]

Didn’t really know how to engage with nonsense such as:

‘Aye he might not have tried previously, but that doesn’t suggest he won’t try next time’

The guys attitude is ****ing stinking, and if you look through his past career this isn’t the first time he’s thrown a wee tantrum (probably to the detriment of his career as you say). He can be a decent player on his day - but a really poor mentality more than negates that IMO

I’ll try again.

You need to think about what is the best interest of Hibs here. What is the best chance of getting something out of this game, which might be the most important derby we’ve played in years. And whats in the interest of the club to get some cash out of a talent that not that long ago was contributing 10+ goals, 10+ assists and was attracting interest from clubs willing to spemd serious money? Whats your solution? Let him train with the kids and leave on a free?

Just repeating how lazy he is and telling us what you think is going on in his brain isn’t answering that.

[hibsbollah]

FWIW, I don't Gray will play Youan.

Neither do I. I think a double sub of Campbell and Levitt is much more likely, assuming they arent already huffing and puffing around the pitch chasing shadows, or McKirdy when we go two behind. Its very depressing.

[Tyler Durden]

I’ll try again.

You need to think about what is the best interest of Hibs here. What is the best chance of getting something out of this game, which might be the most important derby we’ve played in years. And whats in the interest of the club to get some cash out of a talent that not that long ago was contributing 10+ goals, 10+ assists and was attracting interest from clubs willing to spemd serious money? Whats your solution? Let him train with the kids and leave on a free?

Just repeating how lazy he is and telling us what you think is going on in his brain isn’t answering that.

Re this part, I have been surprised and a bit disappointed with how Gray has handled this. When he left out Youan against Rangers and then Motherwell I thought maybe it was a bit of tough love, with the carrot of getting back in the next game. It kinda instead seems like Gray is just hoping that this resolves itself.

Never thought I'd be advocating for Yogi style management, but with the likes of Benji and Zemmama, he knew how to handle them. Gray needs to figure out how to get Youan playing quick or it'll cost him ultimately. And I say this as someone who has regularly slated Youan and his attitude. It's up to Gray to fix it.

[Hillsidehibby]

Neither do I. I think a double sub of Campbell and Levitt is much more likely, assuming they arent already huffing and puffing around the pitch chasing shadows, or McKirdy when we go two behind. Its very depressing.

One day that might work. What's the motto again? Persevere?

[Coco Bryce]

I’ll try again.

You need to think about what is the best interest of Hibs here. What is the best chance of getting something out of this game, which might be the most important derby we’ve played in years. And whats in the interest of the club to get some cash out of a talent that not that long ago was contributing 10+ goals, 10+ assists and was attracting interest from clubs willing to spemd serious money? Whats your solution? Let him train with the kids and leave on a free?

Just repeating how lazy he is and telling us what you think is going on in his brain isn’t answering that.

Youan has no interest in playing for Hibs!

Gray is just playing mind games with him by putting him on the bench as we have very few options.

[hibsbollah]

Youan has no interest in playing for Hibs!

Gray is just playing mind games with him by putting him on the bench.

Re-the first bit; Maybe, i have no idea. But he DOES have an interest in maintaining a career in professional football.

Re-the second bit; that makes no sense unless David has a misguided idea of what a ‘mind-game’ is. Why not leave him out of the squad entirely?

[Real Emerald]

I hope he does play Youan, Gray is almost in last chance saloon and he needs a result against Hearts. Youan has proved before he can be very effective in a derby and I’d much rather have him trying to unlock Hearts than Campbell or McKirdy. I know who I’d rather face if I was in Hearts position. Everyone to up their game a notch is what we need.

[hibsbollah]

One day that might work. What's the motto again? Persevere?

I think we should sell Garry O’Connor a few days before a massive semi final and start a young Moroccan who’d barely just arrived in the country up front on his own :aok:

[Coco Bryce]

Re-the first bit; Maybe, i have no idea. But he DOES have an interest in maintaining a career in professional football.

Re-the second bit; that makes no sense unless David has a misguided idea of what a ‘mind-game’ is. Why not leave him out of the squad entirely?

You missed out the 'very few options' part of my post.

Maybe Gray is putting him on the bench knowing full well he doesn't want to play but could put him on which in turn would piss off Youan?

I have no idea :confused:

He is just waiting on his time when he can leave though.

[tonyrougier123]

Bit of a farce, very unprofessional behaviour by the player, watch me take that view and he scores another double against them on Sunday.

[K-Zazu]

Bit of a farce, very unprofessional behaviour by the player, watch me take that view and he scores another double against them on Sunday.

Surely he is bringing himself into disrepute with his contract etc? Can a player refuse to play or train etc ??

[Coco Bryce]

Surely he is bringing himself into disrepute with his contract etc? Can a player refuse to play or train etc ??

He's not refusing. Just showing the same attitude as other players at our club who have no interest in playing for us.

[K-Zazu]

He's not refusing. Just showing the same attitude as other players at our club who have no interest in playing for us.

That’s ridiculous and not fair on the fans, he signed a contract to play for Hibs.

[Sioux]

Surely he is bringing himself into disrepute with his contract etc? Can a player refuse to play or train etc ??

Who has said he isn't training or refusing to play?

[hibsbollah]

He's not refusing. Just showing the same attitude as other players at our club who have no interest in playing for us.

I think it’s interesting noone is mentioning what we went through less thsn two months ago when our club had to come out and support him when he got racist abuse online yet again. I dont think it was ever established if it was a hibs fan involved or not, but just never gets mentioned as a factor, its just ‘hes lazy, hes this hes that, i KNOW he is no interest in playing for us etc etc’. And hes literally hardly played enough since then for us to judge him. Cumdog didnt score for 17 games and got more of a break from fans than Elie has. A bit weird.

[hibsbollah]

That’s ridiculous and not fair on the fans, he signed a contract to play for Hibs.

What’s ridiculous? What do you think Elie has done/said?

[Saint Hibee]

Youan has no interest in playing for Hibs!

Gray is just playing mind games with him by putting him on the bench as we have very few options.

Where are you getting this stuff about him "downing tools" and "having no interest in playing for Hibs"? Is this based on something he's actually said or just speculation? It's true that his very limited appearances haven't been great, but neither have anybody else's.

[tonyrougier123]

Who has said he isn't training or refusing to play?

He’s downed tools, don’t think you need to be a psychic to read between the lines. I’m not being arsey about it but I do feel that much is plainly obvious.

[Saint Hibee]

He’s downed tools, don’t think you need to be a psychic to read between the lines. I’m not being arsey about it but I do feel that much is plainly obvious.

It really isn't obvious, to me at least. He's been training, engaging with the fans at Dundee, etc. Gray's chosen not to play him, so he can't be accused of "downing tools" when on the pitch.

[hibsbollah]

He’s downed tools, don’t think you need to be a psychic to read between the lines. I’m not being arsey about it but I do feel that much is plainly obvious.

When posters are saying again and again hes not interested in playing for hibs, or that hes downed tools, that suggests theres some FACTS at play, like hes said something or made a statement or Gray has told the press he’s refusing to play.

Lets be clear, no ifs or buts, that is NOT the case, is it?

[Smartie]

I don't think he looked like he'd downed tools whenever he'd played for us this season - I just thought he looked woefully short of sharpness, which is maybe understandable given his preparation for this season. He expected to be leaving the club and his pre-season whilst with us was cut short by injury at a critical time.

During the St Johnstone and Rangers games I simply though he looked miles short physically and mentally of where he needed to be - or where he has looked in the past.

We can criticise his game all we want - I quite often do - but I don't think he's blindingly stupid, which is what he'd have to be to have downed tools. He has ability and he's wanting a move to a better club - that doesn't happen by downing tools in anyone's world.

Saturday's game, Gray having decided he starts on the bench, wasn't really one that needed a different attacking option so there is justification for not using him that doesn't need to go into foil hat territory.

If he's improved his sharpness (although I don't really know how easy that is to do without playing regular games) then it would be fair to say that Cadden's place is certainly up for grabs right now, albeit Boyle is competing for that place.

Although with the 352 having worked quite well, where might he fit into that? A sharp, focussed, fit, playing for a move mercurial Youan playing off Myko is maybe the bit of magic we need to make a side lacking in pace and guile into something a bit better.

[Coco Bryce]

It really isn't obvious, to me at least. He's been training, engaging with the fans at Dundee, etc. Gray's chosen not to play him, so he can't be accused of "downing tools" when on the pitch.

Maybe he's pissed of at the club for not letting him get his move in the summer on the cheap.

[Pretty Boy]

We threw Youan straight back in against St Johnstone and he was miles off it for the 45 minutes he was on the park. I don't think he wasn't trying, he was just a player who hadn't played a lot of football and was way off the pace. He came on against Rangers and was again nowhere near it.

I'd love to believe starting him on Sunday would be a great fairytale that saw him run riot, score a hat trick and lap up the plaudits from his adoring fans. In reality he has played no competitive football at all since the aforementioned cameos so it's far more likely he is still miles off it then gets accused of not trying and subjected to the OTT criticism reserved especially for him.

Even when he was fully fit Youan was mercurial. At his best he could be unplayable for the opposition, at his worst he was unplayable for his own manager. If we want a spark on Sunday a far more logical choice would be to bring Boyle back in on the opposite side from Hoilett or to change the shape and start Gayle as part of a front 2. Chucking Youan to the wolves in the vain hope he rediscovers some form from nowhere seems a recipe for disaster to me. We know Youan's ceiling, he's not some untested youngster, he's 25 and has played 150 career games; there isn't some reservoir of untapped potential there. He is what he is and right now he seems far closer to his floor than his ceiling, if we could find a way to reverse that then it benefits everyone but I'm not sure a game as emotive as Sunday is going to be is the one to try it in.

[superfurryhibby]

Maybe he's pissed of at the club for not letting him get his move in the summer on the cheap.

:rolleyes:

Or just maybe his untimely injury prevented his would suitors from buying him.

[TrinityHFC]

When posters are saying again and again hes not interested in playing for hibs, or that hes downed tools, that suggests theres some FACTS at play, like hes said something or made a statement or Gray has told the press he’s refusing to play.

Lets be clear, no ifs or buts, that is NOT the case, is it?

It is total nonsense based on very lazy assumptions about his character.

He has been working hard at training, like he always does. He’s struggled more from his injury than Hibs had initially thought but there’s nothing at all wrong with his attitude.

No idea why people enjoy making this crap up about our own players.

[Coco Bryce]

:rolleyes:

Or just maybe his untimely injury prevented his would suitors from buying him.

Why the 'Roll eyes'?

I was only hazarding a guess??

[Coco Bryce]

It is total nonsense based on very lazy assumptions about his character.

He has been working hard at training, like he always does. He’s struggled more from his injury than Hibs had initially thought but there’s nothing at all wrong with his attitude.

No idea why people enjoy making this crap up about our own players.

If this is the case why is he on the bench if he's not fit enough to play?

If he is fit enough to play. Why is he not getting on when he is one of our most influential players?

It's just typical Hibs just now. Shambolic.

[superfurryhibby]

He doesn't want to play for us.


He's downed tools and chucked it.

What's the point in playing him. He's about as interested in playing for Hibs as JDH.


Youan has no interest in playing for Hibs!

Gray is just playing mind games with him by putting him on the bench as we have very few options.


You missed out the 'very few options' part of my post.

Maybe Gray is putting him on the bench knowing full well he doesn't want to play but could put him on which in turn would piss off Youan?

I have no idea :confused:

He is just waiting on his time when he can leave though.


He's not refusing. Just showing the same attitude as other players at our club who have no interest in playing for us.


Maybe he's pissed of at the club for not letting him get his move in the summer on the cheap.

You seem to be stating your own rambling speculations as fact, hence my :rolleyes:.

[JimBHibees]

Please get Elie back on the pitch

[Sioux]

Please get Elie back on the pitch

Why? Is he going to be the difference between winning or losing on Sunday?

[JimBHibees]

Why? Is he going to be the difference between winning or losing on Sunday?

Would be a very good sub to bring on

[RMQ1967]

It is total nonsense based on very lazy assumptions about his character.

He has been working hard at training, like he always does. He’s struggled more from his injury than Hibs had initially thought but there’s nothing at all wrong with his attitude.

No idea why people enjoy making this crap up about our own players.

I genuinely hope this is true and the statements about him not wanting to play for Hibs are false.

However it's undeniable that when he's been on the pitch he's looked like he couldn't care less, people are not talking about match sharpness, its clear he either doesn't know how to contribute defensively or couldn't care less - either way he's been like a man down.

The implication of the racist abuse (disgraceful as it was) being a factor somehow is another poor excuse. The way to ram it up people is to get in the team & give your all, not amble around in a huff.

If he does play, fans will support him if he puts in the effort & gets himself around the pitch. If he's really so unfit that he can't jog into position & close people down he should be nowhere near the first team.

[Coco Bryce]

You seem to be stating your own rambling speculations as fact, hence my :rolleyes:.

😂

[LewysGot2]

I'm torn on this and can see both perspectives.

As a maverick, Youan, can create "moments" that turn games when he is in the mood. He's done it before in derbies.


However, I am prepared to trust SDG in his judgements as to the player's mindset. We don't know what's going on, has gone on. However, I know derbies are generally wars of attrition...where you must compete mentally as well as physically.

You can't carry anyone. If folk think he'll do the tracking back to protect a vulnerable Miller, I'm not sure I do. I think Boyle will play on the right and Junior on the left.
The last couple of games we were not able to see if SDG was prepared to use him as a sub thanks to two reds. The sending offs definitely meant he wasn't going to be used...

Maybe tomorrow we can keep 11 on the park and he can be an impact sub...

It's actually all very sad

[calumb]

To those who think Youan can come on as an impact sub - what score would it have to be to bring him on?

If we are drawing or winning narrowly Gray would be slaughtered if he brought him on and then in some lazy moment Youan contributed to our defeat.

[hibsbollah]

Having just rewatched the game, I thought his overall contribution was good and showed a lot of the desire I'm always being told on here doesnt exist. Well done Elie.

[wookie70]

Having just rewatched the game, I thought his overall contribution was good and showed a lot of the desire I'm always being told on here doesnt exist. Well done Elie.

I'm not his greatest fan but after a terrible start I thought his work rate was fine and he had one really excellent run and pass. Both work rate and contribution were better than Boyle who should have been hooked before Elie imo.

[Paul1642]

Having just rewatched the game, I thought his overall contribution was good and showed a lot of the desire I'm always being told on here doesnt exist. Well done Elie.

Noticed it during the game that he looked to be trying as hard as anyone else. At the same time I was seeing posts about how lazy he was. I think once an idea is planted folk see what they want to see.

We’re going to need a touch of class to pull us out of out current mess and Youan is one of the few who has that.

[Paulie Walnuts]

He was decent. Not going to pretend he was messi like, but he showed enough to suggest he should be starting

[BILLYHIBS]

Was excited by his return but looked heavy legged and his press was at a jog had a couple of nice touches and was involved in a very good passage of play second half that I felt he might have got a shot away but in the hurly burly was quickly closed down and the move was smothered

A step in the right direction hope to see more liking the new haircut

Makes sense that he performs for us to get his move

[The Tubs]

I was impressed by his discipline when we didn't have possession. It's been a problem in the past but I thought he kept focused on defending during these times. He also showed determination to get the ball back on the one occasion he gave it away on a dangerous spot. If he's fit enough, I'd definitely start him on Wednesday.

[Broken Gnome]

I'm not his greatest fan but after a terrible start I thought his work rate was fine and he had one really excellent run and pass. Both work rate and contribution were better than Boyle who should have been hooked before Elie imo.

I don't think either of them had bad games as such, they were just amazingly uninvolved.

If we had bothered with a front three with two fast wide players, I can't think why we didn't think to at least get them into advanced areas more than once or twice. The little chance they did have to work something, Boyle puts one on Gayle's head and Youan gives him an even better assist.

[Coco Bryce]

Having just rewatched the game, I thought his overall contribution was good and showed a lot of the desire I'm always being told on here doesnt exist. Well done Elie.

He was decent. A couple of glimpses.

Nowhere near the level he's been for us in the past though.

Saying that neither has Boyle.

[LaMotta]

Noticed it during the game that he looked to be trying as hard as anyone else. At the same time I was seeing posts about how lazy he was. I think once an idea is planted folk see what they want to see.

We’re going to need a touch of class to pull us out of out current mess and Youan is one of the few who has that.

I thought starting him was 100% correct and overall he was ok.

There were moments today when he could have been trying harder though - he just stops at times when he could be helping a teammate out, he should be snapping at opposition heels and putting added pressure on. As John Collins used to say we should be hunting in packs. Youan doesn't have that mindset.

[B.H.F.C]

Never really in the game for me. Disappointing.

[lyonhibs]

Was hard done by to get taken off, would've preferred to see us go 3-5-2 at that point

[Since90+2]

Never really in the game for me. Disappointing.

Yup. Didn't offer anything of note really throughout the game.

Hoilett is miles above him despite being at the end of his career.

[7-Zip_Mike]

Are you all having a laugh? Absolutely non trier, kidding himself on. Embarrassing for a guy trying to make a come back. If that’s his best FM.

[Hiber-nation]

Miles better than he's been for ages but still way short of his best. Deserves another start.

[Pretty Boy]

He certainly wasn't lazy today. Anyone saying that is guilty of being lazy themselves. He tired badly and when he didn't show for Youan I think that was the catalyst to sub him but that was fatigue rather than laziness imo.

He wasn't really at it again though which was always likely to be the case. He was woefully short of match fitness and that wasn't going to change warming the bench for 2 weeks. He showed a few flashes and that gives hope that when he's up to speed he can still contribute positively. He wasn't close to our worst performer but I've seen him much, much better.

[CMac1988]

Never done much of note and like Boyle was barely in the game for large spells. Better than his last couple of appearances but still not offering enough for me... That said I'd start him during the week.

[Nicho87]

Thought bringing both hoilett and youan off meant we lost an attacking element

We finished the game with NMW playing left wing

[B.H.F.C]

Thought bringing both hoilett and youan off meant we lost an attacking element

We finished the game with NMW playing left wing

Understood taking Youan off when he did. But taking Hoilett off to do what he did was criminal. It just invited them on and the outcome was hardly a surprise. We had no way of getting up the park. Just a really **** sub, again.

[LaMotta]

Thought bringing both hoilett and youan off meant we lost an attacking element

We finished the game with NMW playing left wing


Understood taking Youan off when he did. But taking Hoilett off to do what he did was criminal. It just invited them on and the outcome was hardly a surprise. We had no way of getting up the park. Just a really **** sub, again.

I think Gray is overthinking things and making too many subs. There is a lot to be said for continuity when you are leading in a game. The subs have seemed to do more harm than goods on several occasions when we have been ahead. And realistically there is little reason why most professional footballers can't play a full 90 mins plus injury tome.

[B.H.F.C]

I think Gray is overthinking things and making too many subs. There is a lot to be said for continuity when you are leading in a game. The subs have seemed to do more harm than goods on several occasions when we have been ahead. And realistically there is little reason why most professional footballers can't play a full 90 mins plus injury tome.

Hoilett is experienced and the best player in that team at keeping the ball. I really can’t get my head round that sub. It led to Kwon and Moriah-Welsh moving position as well. Just naive IMO.

[Mon Dieu4]

Should be one of the first names on the team sheet, but only if we use him when effective and actually get him the ball, still doing the pass it sideway/backwards nonsense, get him the ball and let him run at people, same goes for Boyle, we are still not using our main assets as they should be

[Coach Jon]

He should never have been starting today, was never going to be able to handle this game. he is meant to be a winger, was played far too deep, we had enough width on the park with Boyle and Hoilett, Absolute joke management from SDG. AT best could have replaced Boyle/Hoilett for last 20, but to play him in midfield was pointless.

[Paul1642]

Should be one of the first names on the team sheet, but only if we use him when effective and actually get him the ball, still doing the pass it sideway/backwards nonsense, get him the ball and let him run at people, same goes for Boyle, we are still not using our main assets as they should be

Youan and Holiett used correctly should be a terrifying prospect for opposition defenders,

[Mon Dieu4]

Youan and Holiett used correctly should be a terrifying prospect for opposition defenders,

Agreed, I liked the look of the front line today, they are a match for anyone, however we seem enept at actually getting them the ball which is my main bugbear

[TrinityHFC]

He should never have been starting today, was never going to be able to handle this game. he is meant to be a winger, was played far too deep, we had enough width on the park with Boyle and Hoilett, Absolute joke management from SDG. AT best could have replaced Boyle/Hoilett for last 20, but to play him in midfield was pointless.

Hoilett was being played as a number 10 today. He wasn’t providing width.

[Big_Franck]

I didn't think he was great today, to be honest. He wasn't terrible, but he was rarely in the game and I can't think of any point in the game where he caused them problems.

He wasn't as bad as he's been in some of his recent cameos, but he wasn't exactly great either. It that's a good performance, then the bar is even lower than I thought.

[tamig]

He should never have been starting today, was never going to be able to handle this game. he is meant to be a winger, was played far too deep, we had enough width on the park with Boyle and Hoilett, Absolute joke management from SDG. AT best could have replaced Boyle/Hoilett for last 20, but to play him in midfield was pointless.

I take it you’re no coach despite your username? Boyle provided virtually nothing for us today. Youan contributed far more - both attacking and defensively. As others have mentioned Hoilett wasn’t played out wide today. The only joke management today was taking Hoilett off and that was where we lost the two points imo.

[hibsbollah]

I take it you’re no coach despite your username? Boyle provided virtually nothing for us today. Youan contributed far more - both attacking and defensively. As others have mentioned Hoilett wasn’t played out wide today. The only joke management today was taking Hoilett off and that was where we lost the two points imo.

:agree: Correct.

On that note, please can Hoilett just be our permanent #10, game in gsme out, and stay injury free?

[Crab apple]

:agree: Correct.

On that note, please can Hoilett just be our permanent #10, game in gsme out, and stay injury free?

That substitution was criminal. And Gray did it last week too. Hoilet was the stand out player on the pitch today. Miles above everyone else.

[HIBS NUTS]

YOUAN was absolutely a waste of time, but so was Boyle

[1875Sean]

We really should have accepted that bid in the summer for him, not going to get anywhere near that again

[I'm_cabbaged]

That substitution was criminal. And Gray did it last week too. Hoilet was the stand out player on the pitch today. Miles above everyone else.

He said to the bench that had 10 mins left in before he was subbed, he was done. Best footballer on the field by far.

[Iain G]

We really should have accepted that bid in the summer for him, not going to get anywhere near that again

Now we will just be happy to get his waste of space off the wage bill...

[McGruber]

YOUAN was absolutely a waste of time, but so was Boyle

Play wingers - bypass them, smash it long. Take wingers out the game, shell it over their heads.. blame wingers for not getting involved.

More to it than how Boyle and Youan impacted the game. Loads of percentage football from us. Not brave enough to play out and never played to our attacking players strengths.

Of course it's never that black and white, playing devil's advocate. Individuals make their own decisions on the park and have to adapt to what's going on.

[lyonhibs]

He said to the bench that had 10 mins left in before he was subbed, he was done. Best footballer on the field by far.

Yup he was cream crackered. Best touch in the pitch today.

[CentreLine]

Youan was not a disappointment for me today. Not wonderful either showed a couple of flashes, one of which resulted in an unnecessary collision with Triantis, but, like that incident, he was largely ineffective.

[JimBHibees]

YOUAN was absolutely a waste of time, but so was Boyle

He had two very good runs which were good bits of play. Thought he did well considering he has had no time recently. If he is here he needs to be playing imo

[DJ HIBBY]

Actually thought Youan was good in flashes but our service to both wingers and Hoilet is embarrassing and non existent. We are so slow and ponderous that when the wingers do get the ball the oppositions defence is all set and everyone behind the ball and thus no space for them to attack. We simply struggle to transition on the ball from defence to midfield to attack. The lineup on paper looked bold and very attacking but in truth we simply never played like that at all

[BILLYHIBS]

Actually thought Youan was good in flashes but our service to both wingers and Hoilet is embarrassing and non existent. We are so slow and ponderous that when the wingers do get the ball the oppositions defence is all set and everyone behind the ball and thus no space for them to attack. We simply struggle to transition on the ball from defence to midfield to attack. The lineup on paper looked bold and very attacking but in truth we simply never played like that at all

Not helped by Bursik’s refusal to release the ball quickly- yes him again 😂

[Unseen work]

Actually thought Youan was good in flashes but our service to both wingers and Hoilet is embarrassing and non existent. We are so slow and ponderous that when the wingers do get the ball the oppositions defence is all set and everyone behind the ball and thus no space for them to attack. We simply struggle to transition on the ball from defence to midfield to attack. The lineup on paper looked bold and very attacking but in truth we simply never played like that at all

There was an instance in the first half we had the chance to counter from hearts carelessly losing possession and the ball went to Obita iirc

Youan was free on the left wing screaming for it, it was a 15 yard pass to his feet and let him run at them

He tried to miss out the midfield completely and pick out Gayle I think, even if it got to him I’m not sure what he could do as he was completely out numbered

The players and management need to get back to simple passes on the ground, give it to the good players and let them hurt the opposition

[Cooshed Kid]

I thought that in the first 15 minutes he played like he had a concussion. His passes were either misdirected, wrongly-weighted or both. After that, he seemed to get in tune and even did better in his defensive duties than usual. As an attacker he was poorly-served by colleagues and seldom had an opportunity either to run with the ball or to chase it. We were either too slow out of defence or hoofing the ball too far up the pitch, particularly in the first half.

When you have players like Youan or Boyle you have to give them the ball in positions where they can use their speed and guile. We repeatedly fail. If that's because the opposition doesn't allow it then we need plans to counter that in real time.

[superfurryhibby]

Youan played well enough. He worked hard and despite the moronic comments of some on here, the actual fans appreciated his efforts. He created an excellent chance for Gayle out of nothing and if he hadn’t taken the touch of a donkey, it would have led to a goal.

[LaMotta]

Youan played well enough. He worked hard and despite the moronic comments of some on here, the actual fans appreciated his efforts. He created an excellent chance for Gayle out of nothing and if he hadn’t taken the touch of a donkey, it would have led to a goal.

:rolleyes:

[Coco Bryce]

Youan played well enough. He worked hard and despite the moronic comments of some on here, the actual fans appreciated his efforts. He created an excellent chance for Gayle out of nothing and if he hadn’t taken the touch of a donkey, it would have led to a goal.

:rolleyes:

[hibsbollah]

Youan played well enough. He worked hard and despite the moronic comments of some on here, the actual fans appreciated his efforts. He created an excellent chance for Gayle out of nothing and if he hadn’t taken the touch of a donkey, it would have led to a goal.

:agree:

[ancient hibee]

Youan played well enough. He worked hard and despite the moronic comments of some on here, the actual fans appreciated his efforts. He created an excellent chance for Gayle out of nothing and if he hadn’t taken the touch of a donkey, it would have led to a goal.

Spot on and if I remember right was immediately substituted.

[Baader]

Thought Ellie did alright considering he hasn't had game time. Most of it was punts up the park which isnt great service for him.

Hes the type of player we should be looking for in the opposition half as we hold on to a lead last 15 minutes.

[RMQ1967]

Youan played well enough. He worked hard and despite the moronic comments of some on here, the actual fans appreciated his efforts. He created an excellent chance for Gayle out of nothing and if he hadn’t taken the touch of a donkey, it would have led to a goal.

Yeah I thought he done fine. Was concerned what he'd bring given his last few outings but DG must have been convinced by what he's seen in training.

If he can build on that I'll be very happy to see him starting games again.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Thought Ellie did alright considering he hasn't had game time. Most of it was punts up the park which isnt great service for him.

Hes the type of player we should be looking for in the opposition half as we hold on to a lead last 15 minutes.

He done fine.

I’ll be expecting more of him, because he’s capable of more, but he wasn’t bad by any means especially considering he’s hardly played.

Hopefully he can kick on. A firing Youan is our best player imo.

[Phil MaGlass]

A couple more games and he should be back to normal. If there ever was a player that ran on confidence its Ellie, needs the support behind him as they are.

[Heisenberg]

Thought he was ok on Sunday. Hopefully starts again tonight and gets himself up and running properly, if he wants a move he’s going to need to earn it. Would much rather him on that wing than Nicky Cadden.

[EGL2000]

He definitely put effort in on Sunday was demanding the ball and worked back and made a few tackles on multiple occasions which you don't get very often with him. Annoyingly his best moment of the game came just before he got subbed. Lovely little cut inside and pass through to Gayle, who proceeded to take a honking touch.

[ancient hibee]

He definitely put effort in on Sunday was demanding the ball and worked back and made a few tackles on multiple occasions which you don't get very often with him. Annoyingly his best moment of the game came just before he got subbed. Lovely little cut inside and pass through to Gayle, who proceeded to take a honking touch.

Yes another great chance missed.

[GreenCastle]

He definitely put effort in on Sunday was demanding the ball and worked back and made a few tackles on multiple occasions which you don't get very often with him. Annoyingly his best moment of the game came just before he got subbed. Lovely little cut inside and pass through to Gayle, who proceeded to take a honking touch.

Yup - think it must have been pre agreed he would play 60 mins after not playing for so long. His last 90 mins was April.

Hopefully he starts tonight - feels if we drop him it will be one step forward, 2 steps back.

[Bobby's Cinema]

Play wingers - bypass them, smash it long. Take wingers out the game, shell it over their heads.. blame wingers for not getting involved.

More to it than how Boyle and Youan impacted the game. Loads of percentage football from us. Not brave enough to play out and never played to our attacking players strengths.

Of course it's never that black and white, playing devil's advocate. Individuals make their own decisions on the park and have to adapt to what's going on.
I would definitely agree with this. When I seen the line-up, the way we played was not what I was expecting to watch.

[EGL2000]

I would definitely agree with this. When I seen the line-up, the way we played was not what I was expecting to watch.

I get the feeling we are definitely scared to take risks at times and play out. Alot of the play on Sunday was very safe, if an easy forward option wasn't on it was often backwards or long.

One of the times we did actually take a risk produced Gayle's volley he should of scored from. Kwon took the ball in a tight area beat the press and then played a lovely pass to Gayle which took out 3 or 4 hearts players. More of that please!

[superfurryhibby]

Yeah I thought he done fine. Was concerned what he'd bring given his last few outings but DG must have been convinced by what he's seen in training.

If he can build on that I'll be very happy to see him starting games again.

Hopefully he can build on it. As our most talented (arguably) and valuable (sellable) player, it's in everyone's interest that he does.


Yup - think it must have been pre agreed he would play 60 mins after not playing for so long. His last 90 mins was April.

Hopefully he starts tonight - feels if we drop him it will be one step forward, 2 steps back.

This gives some context. He has played 67 league minutes before Sunday, there's a difference between being fit and being match fit and sharp. has to start tonight and hopefully he gets some service.

[hibsbollah]

Didnt watch the game live but catching up on some highlights and just like at the weekend seems to have been one of our brighter spots…Its time to bury the non-trier narrative now surely. One of the first names on the teamsheet from being the target of almost constant criticism and negativity in the space of a week.

Keep up at the back…

[wookie70]

Didnt watch the game live but catching up on some highlights and just like at the weekend seems to have been one of our brighter spots…Its time to bury the non-trier narrative now surely. One of the first names on the teamsheet from being the target of almost constant criticism and negativity in the space of a week.

Keep up at the back…

The non-trier narrative would not have been mentioned last night as he worked hard and was probably our best player on the night. However there have been plenty times it has been appropriate. I hope Elie takes heart from a couple of appearances where he has done well enough particularly after so long out. If he works, stays positive and passes when appropriate like he did last night he will make a huge difference

[Centre Hawf]

Didnt watch the game live but catching up on some highlights and just like at the weekend seems to have been one of our brighter spots…Its time to bury the non-trier narrative now surely. One of the first names on the teamsheet from being the target of almost constant criticism and negativity in the space of a week.

Keep up at the back…

He's definitely for me someone who should be starting when fit. Guys like Cadden can replace him when we need a bit more tracking back if we're winning with 10/15 to go.

[21May16]

He's definitely for me someone who should be starting when fit. Guys like Cadden can replace him when we need a bit more tracking back if we're winning with 10/15 to go.

I would go the opposite, Cadden probably brings more to the team overall in terms of workrate and team shape. If we are needing to go for a win with 20-25 left a Youan that gives a **** is the perfect option for something different.

[BSEJVT]

The surprise to me is that folk are surprised by Youan's mercurial form and personality.

This is just a rinse and repeat of his Hibs career to date and his previous career before Hibs.

He is to me exactly the same as Kamberi was, great when on it and motivated and disinterested when not on it and morose.

We need to decide whether the potential good, in a team absolutely totally devoid of any creativity, outweighs the bad and build a team round him for as long as he is here.

The me of even one season ago would have said get him to *****, but we have absolutely nothing and need to make use of whatever potential spark we have.

Not sure how much longer I can face us fannying around with the ball in midfield and trying to find a pass to either Boyle or Miller, the latter of whom at least couldn't cross the road.

[Centre Hawf]

I would go the opposite, Cadden probably brings more to the team overall in terms of workrate and team shape. If we are needing to go for a win with 20-25 left a Youan that gives a **** is the perfect option for something different.

The issue is that Cadden is nowhere near the player of Elie Youan. You just have to take the rough with the smooth with him.

[21May16]

The issue is that Cadden is nowhere near the player of Elie Youan. You just have to take the rough with the smooth with him.

While true it’s sometimes not about who is the better player but who is better for the team at different times and I feel our shape and balance is one of the highest priorities at the moment to rectify. It’s a conundrum no doubt.

[21May16]

The surprise to me is that folk are surprised by Youan's mercurial form and personality.

This is just a rinse and repeat of his Hibs career to date and his previous career before Hibs.

He is to me exactly the same as Kamberi was, great when on it and motivated and disinterested when not on it and morose.

We need to decide whether the potential good, in a team absolutely totally devoid of any creativity, outweighs the bad and build a team round him for as long as he is here.

The me of even one season ago would have said get him to *****, but we have absolutely nothing and need to make use of whatever potential spark we have.

Not sure how much longer I can face us fannying around with the ball in midfield and trying to find a pass to either Boyle or Miller, the latter of whom at least couldn't cross the road.

Also a very good point.

[tonyrougier123]

Ellie youan is a player I badly want to get behind, flashes of his ability last night and his potential to influence a game.

It looks like we have a fed up core group of key influential players that we are going to need in A1 form.

Last season I’d have said an attacking mid of Boyle Youan and Hoillet would be deadly for opposition defences but it hasn’t quite hit top gear.

Hopefully we hit some form and there’s some cohesion on the park but for now it’s all looking a bit disjointed slow and indecisive.