David Gray

[NC1875]

Said it at the time and I’ll say it again.

Nobody, no matter who they are should be learining on the job at Hibs.

Time to go before it gets even worse.

An absolute disaster of an appointment.

People can go on about the board and Kensell etc but Gray has signed a team of new players and made us worse than last season.

He’s utterly clueless.

[dp00]

Sacking Gray is the easy option tho… and the board get off with it again … we would be best getting behind him and going after the board


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[Bronson]

Do the honourable thing and step aside David. We all know where this ends.

[bingo70]

He wouldn’t have got the Hibs job if he had been third in command at Aberdeen under 4 failed managers so him getting the Hibs job should never have been on our radar at all, absolutely ridiculous he got the job.

That said, I’m not going to be stamping up and down demanding he gets sacked, it’s not his fault he got the job. I think we just need to ride this out until he decides to go ir the club gets sold and the new owner make a change, there’s no way the current structure will change him as that would really highlight the incompetence of his appointment.

[Exuberance1875]

Sacking Gray is the easy option tho… and the board get off with it again … we would be best getting behind him and going after the board


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Massively agree

[Unseen work]

Sacking Gray is the easy option tho… and the board get off with it again … we would be best getting behind him and going after the board


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Easy option but probably the right one.

However the board shouldn’t get off with it

[MWHIBBIES]

Board should do the honourable thing. ****ing ******s are taking us down.

[Northernhibee]

Jack Ross wasn’t the problem.
Maloney wasn’t the problem.
LJ wasn’t the problem.
Monty wasn’t the problem.

SDG isn’t the problem.

Gordons and Kensell - now we have a discussion.

[Paulie Walnuts]

He wouldn’t have got the Hibs job if he had been third in command at Aberdeen under 4 failed managers so him getting the Hibs job should never have been on our radar at all, absolutely ridiculous he got the job.

That said, I’m not going to be stamping up and down demanding he gets sacked, it’s not his fault he got the job. I think we just need to ride this out until he decides to go ir the club gets sold and the new owner make a change, there’s no way the current structure will change him as that would really highlight the incompetence of his appointment.

Your first paragraph is something I’ve said numerous times. When you look at Gray, it just makes no sense.

Is he qualified for the level you aspire to be at? No
Is he experienced? No
Has he had a similar role? Arguably to an extent as a coach, although he was so far down the coaching pecking order it was still massively different
Has he had success in that role? A huge no
Would you appoint someone with that pedigree if they had no link to the club? An absolute, undeniable no.

Said it before he was appointed and said it numerous times since. It wasn’t just a bad decision, it was an utterly ludicrous decision to appoint him.

[B.H.F.C]

The idiots in charge are going to ruin a legend. He should never have been put in charge in the first place though.

I think he’ll survive for a while yet because of who he is and them not wanting to front up to another mistake.

[Jim44]

Sacking Gray is the easy option tho… and the board get off with it again … we would be best getting behind him and going after the board


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Massively agree

How do you back the manager and attack the board at the same time? Backing the manager could be construed as supporting the board.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The idiots in charge are going to ruin a legend. He should never have been put in charge in the first place though.

I think he’ll survive for a while yet because of who he is and them not wanting to front up to another mistake.

I don’t think he will because I think he’s completely incapable of even slightly fixing things.

We’re not going to kick on with him in charge. The decision will pretty much be made for him when we’re even deeper into the season and still in the bottom few spots.

[andyf5]

Your first paragraph is something I’ve said numerous times. When you look at Gray, it just makes no sense.

Is he qualified for the level you aspire to be at? No
Is he experienced? No
Has he had a similar role? Arguably to an extent as a coach, although he was so far down the coaching pecking order it was still massively different
Has he had success in that role? A huge no
Would you appoint someone with that pedigree if they had no link to the club? An absolute, undeniable no.

Said it before he was appointed and said it numerous times since. It wasn’t just a bad decision, it was an utterly ludicrous decision to appoint him.

At the time, I said the tea lady could probably have as much insight into what's needed at an interview. Where is the evidence that he is a manager? I was hoping that MM would sort that out. Terribly sad.

[NC1875]

Sacking Gray is the easy option tho… and the board get off with it again … we would be best getting behind him and going after the board


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Yeah let’s get behind a manager who has already shown he’s completely out of his depth.

Gray needs to go and then the pressure needs to be on the board to let BK bring in the next man/men.

[Hibs Go Bragh]

Your first paragraph is something I’ve said numerous times. When you look at Gray, it just makes no sense.

Is he qualified for the level you aspire to be at? No
Is he experienced? No
Has he had a similar role? Arguably to an extent as a coach, although he was so far down the coaching pecking order it was still massively different
Has he had success in that role? A huge no
Would you appoint someone with that pedigree if they had no link to the club? An absolute, undeniable no.

Said it before he was appointed and said it numerous times since. It wasn’t just a bad decision, it was an utterly ludicrous decision to appoint him.

I can’t remember the exact words but when Gray was appointed Mackay said something along the lines of “Gray nailed the interview” and “was the standout candidate”

I shudder to think who the other candidates were, or if there was even anyone else in for the job?! Did Mackay just want a puppet to manipulate? He should be the first person to lose his job imo.

[Jim44]

I can’t remember the exact words but when Gray was appointed Mackay said something along the lines of “Gray nailed the interview” and “was the standout candidate”

I shudder to think who the other candidates were, or if there was even anyone else in for the job?! Did Mackay just want a puppet to manipulate? He should be the first person to lose his job imo.

McKay will probably be our next manager. He maybe had a cunning plan. :greengrin :sick::sick:

[Itsnoteasy]

McKay will probably be our next manager. He maybe had a cunning plan. :greengrin :sick::sick:

Aye wi Marshall his no2. Another wasted wage, what the 💩 does his role actually entail 🤬

[Hibs Go Bragh]

McKay will probably be our next manager. He maybe had a cunning plan. :greengrin :sick::sick:

It’s a certainty, unfortunately!

[MWHIBBIES]

McKay will probably be our next manager. He maybe had a cunning plan. :greengrin :sick::sick:

I would stop going if we sacked Gray and appointed McKay tbh.

[truehibernian]

I can’t remember the exact words but when Gray was appointed Mackay said something along the lines of “Gray nailed the interview” and “was the standout candidate”

I shudder to think who the other candidates were, or if there was even anyone else in for the job?! Did Mackay just want a puppet to manipulate? He should be the first person to lose his job imo.

That’s the problem in any industry, the profession I left had people who nailed interviews usually on the back of other peoples work but hadn’t learned the job and/or shown natural progression to deserve the role. Gray didn’t deserve nor does he have the experience for the role. He’s not a good manager purely down to not learning the craft of management through the levels.

[Pretty Boy]

It's all a bit sad but I just don't see us getting better.

Gray has a degree of culpability but those who created the mess he inherited then decided he was the man to fix it are far more responsible.

[raeburnhibs]

I can’t remember the exact words but when Gray was appointed Mackay said something along the lines of “Gray nailed the interview” and “was the standout candidate”

I shudder to think who the other candidates were, or if there was even anyone else in for the job?! Did Mackay just want a puppet to manipulate? He should be the first person to lose his job imo.

Gray shouldn't have been on the shortlist; ergo no interview to nail. Ludicrous decision to give hime the job. Mackay also talked a good game and we have another set of non-functioning defenders and certainly no defensive unit and Marshall apparently was behind the goalie....what an enormous cluster****

[Northernhibee]

Gray shouldn't have been on the shortlist; ergo no interview to nail. Ludicrous decision to give hime the job. Mackay also talked a good game and we have another set of non-functioning defenders and certainly no defensive unit and Marshall apparently was behind the goalie....what an enormous cluster****
If that’s true then Marshall needs sacked.

[B.H.F.C]

It's all a bit sad but I just don't see us getting better.

Gray has a degree of culpability but those who created the mess he inherited then decided he was the man to fix it are far more responsible.

Sad is the right word with it being who he is. Predictably sad at that.

Simply put, he’s not improved any aspect of our play for me. If anything, we’re even worse defensively now which really is saying something.

At the game today and everyone is saying the same things, everyone can see it and it feels like everyone knows he shouldn’t be in the position he is.

[Waxy]

Place is hoaching with jambos tonight.

[Hibees1973]

McKay will probably be our next manager. He maybe had a cunning plan. :greengrin :sick::sick:

:greengrin

[HendoDelivered]

Post match: https://youtu.be/WsVmZOwrhdA?si=fMdIzKHC_cl6N3kk

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Post match: https://youtu.be/WsVmZOwrhdA?si=fMdIzKHC_cl6N3kk

Same as every other post match interview he’s given lately.

[judas]

Said it at the time and I’ll say it again.

Nobody, no matter who they are should be learining on the job at Hibs.

Time to go before it gets even worse.

An absolute disaster of an appointment.

People can go on about the board and Kensell etc but Gray has signed a team of new players and made us worse than last season.

He’s utterly clueless.

I back Gray even if we head to relegation.

Sick of our nonsensical annual manager lottery.

We need someone to grow and develop with the club and the players need to know there will not be a scapegoat for their own ineptitude.

I hope the board stand behind the manager with meaning and longevity. That’s what I will be doing.

[BoomtownHibees]

Place is hoaching with jambos tonight.

Name them

[B.H.F.C]

I back Gray even if we head to relegation.

Sick of our nonsensical annual manager lottery.

We need someone to grow and develop with the club and the players need to know there will not be a scapegoat for their own ineptitude.

I hope the board stand behind the manager with meaning and longevity. That’s what I will be doing.

That’s ludicrous IMO. We should stand by Gray if he gets results, not for any other reason. If we continue as we are, we can’t just stand by him indefinitely. And I say that as someone who desperately wants him to turn it round.

[CMac1988]

I'm not for getting rid right now but it's getting more than desperate and it's hard to argue that sticking with him will prove worthwhile.

If he does go sooner than later then he shouldn't be the only one. Those on the board need to step aside and the CEO needs the bullet. Pressure should be on the Gordon's to sell there shares.

[Malthibby]

Place is hoaching with jambos tonight.

Not sure it is; we have been watching this for far too long now & there is no sign - none - that we have people at the club who know how to fix this omnishambles.
We are now bottom of the league & there's little sign that we have a team that can get us back off the floor.
I've said before that we have been underperforming for decades, the poorest of the 'Big' 5, but we are starting to look like a regular bottom 6 team so we are actually getting worse.
Something really is rotten in the State of Hibernian, so to change, or not to change, that is the question.
Relegation, if we do not, is likely to be the answer.

[Pretty Boy]

Place is hoaching with jambos tonight.

Why would Hearts fans be on here calling for Gray, Kensell, Mackay et al to go?

If I was a Hearts fan, and thank God I'm not, then I'd be arguing for the status quo at Hibs for as long as possible because the only people it can be pleasing is rival fans.

[MWHIBBIES]

Place is hoaching with jambos tonight.

It isn't. Hibs are just utter dog**** and our fans know it.

[Callum_62]

He has a 12.5% win ratio in the league

Genuinely shaping up to be one of our worst managers - he needs to get a massive result next week

I just don't see us as a properly functioning team - and that's the head coaches main role

He's failing drastically at the moment

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[Hibees1973]

Looked angry in his interview.

Feeling the heat now. And so he should with that squad of players.

[judas]

Place is hoaching with jambos tonight.

Is that because people aren’t agreeing with you?

Or do you have psychic powers?

[B.H.F.C]

He has a 12.5% win ratio in the league

Genuinely shaping up to be one of our worst managers - he needs to get a massive result next week

I just don't see us as a properly functioning team - and that's the head coaches main role

He's failing drastically at the moment

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The lack of us being a functioning team is down to the lack of creativity in the middle of the park for me. It’s a huge issue and not addressing it in the summer was nonsense. The nonsense that McKay spouted about McCowan was even worse.

[Callum_62]

Looked angry in his interview.

Feeling the heat now. And so he should with that squad of players.It's a squad of players he's getting very little out of in way of results .

I don't believe a better manager doesn't get better that a 12.5% win ratio in the league

I'm not for buying this line going out about being everyone's fault bar Gray

So far he's been a shocking appointment - he may or may not get time to turn it around but he's on a very shoogly peg now

Lose next week and he's in real bother imo

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[Callum_62]

The lack of us being a functioning team is down to the lack of creativity in the middle of the park for me. It’s a huge issue and not addressing it in the summer was nonsense. The nonsense that McKay spouted about McCowan was even worse.Maybe part of it but it our most creative player can't get on the park

Gray is going with a 18 year old who simply isn't up to be a Hibs 10 (yet) and josh Campbell who isn't up to be a championship player never mind a Hibs first 11 player

He's going 1 up and we play some slow build up nonsense - in fact I'm really not sure what our plan is with the ball

Get it to Boyle or Hoilett and hope?

We never have much going forward and arnt secure in defence - I can't see how that's anyone else fault apart from our coaches


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[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Has he gone yet? Asking for a friend 🙄

[LNHibs]

7 points we have dropped this year 88+ mins.

While I don’t think he was ever the right man for the job, the players need to be under more pressure than him. Individual errors are costing us enormously and that’s not on DG. Bursik coming for that ball not on DG. Obita stupid foul on killie player in stoppage time. Two red cards in our last two games.. the list goes on. Game management from our players at the moment belongs in the lowland league. Managers shouldn’t have to babysit footballers on thousands of pounds a week on how to see out games.

We cannot keep sacking managers, we are on our 5th manager post Covid and have absolutely nothing to show for it.

[Mikey_1875]

Hope I’m wrong but it seems a matter of when not if, whether that’s next week or next season. Even if we get out of this position into mid table is he really a manager who will take us to the level we want to be at? I just can’t see it and for what it’s worth that was pretty clear from his interim games imo.

[McD]

Maybe part of it but it our most creative player can't get on the park

Gray is going with a 18 year old who simply isn't up to be a Hibs 10 (yet) and josh Campbell who isn't up to be a championship player never mind a Hibs first 11 player

He's going 1 up and we play some slow build up nonsense - in fact I'm really not sure what our plan is with the ball

Get it to Boyle or Hoilett and hope?

We never have much going forward and sent secure in defence - I can't see how that's anyone else fault apart from our coaches


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Exactly.

[Hibs90]

It's not Gray's fault he was appointed. You can argue whether he should have or shouldn't have. If he's offered the job he is obviously going to take it.

Mackay
Kensell
Gordon
Marshall
The Board

They are the problem. We need to hound them out before Gray ffs.

[Lago]

David Gray should be returned to the interim position he held previously and an experienced manager brought in ASAP, Gray could then be offered a assistant coaching role and stay at ER, his choice stay or go.

[Unseen work]

Maybe part of it but it our most creative player can't get on the park

Gray is going with a 18 year old who simply isn't up to be a Hibs 10 (yet) and josh Campbell who isn't up to be a championship player never mind a Hibs first 11 player

He's going 1 up and we play some slow build up nonsense - in fact I'm really not sure what our plan is with the ball

Get it to Boyle or Hoilett and hope?

We never have much going forward and sent secure in defence - I can't see how that's anyone else fault apart from our coaches


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I’m glad you’re the same as me re our plan with the ball.

It seems to be hit it towards miller and hope he flicks it on and then something happens

Or

Pass it between defenders 10 times, Ekpiteta steps in and closes the space before passing to Miller who has a winger right against him.

I’d rather see us just chuck 3 bodies around Myk and play off seconds than that today

[Pedantic_Hibee]

David Gray should be returned to the interim position he held previously and an experienced manager brought in ASAP, Gray could then be offered a assistant coaching role and stay at ER, his choice stay or go.

No, no, no. This is why we are soft as ****. If he goes, he goes. The culture of softness runs right through this club.

[B.H.F.C]

David Gray should be returned to the interim position he held previously and an experienced manager brought in ASAP, Gray could then be offered a assistant coaching role and stay at ER, his choice stay or go.

When the time comes to remove him from his position, he should be removed full stop. He can’t retain a position because of who he is and I don’t think he’d want to anyway. Hardly like we’ve been successful whilst he’s been assisting the previous 4 managers.

[Lago]

Place is hoaching with jambos tonight.
Top trolling👍

[Hibees1973]

As some others have said it is very difficult watching Gray struggle.

He would have been far better off getting all his coaching badges first then starting lower down the leagues. If successful he would have been offered the Hibs job at some point.

The Golden Quadrant dangled the carrot and Gray bit.

It was Gray's decision to take the job, but I despise the Golden Quadrant for setting him up as a patsy and laying the bait.

[K-Zazu]

David Gray should be returned to the interim position he held previously and an experienced manager brought in ASAP, Gray could then be offered a assistant coaching role and stay at ER, his choice stay or go.

Nah he needs to leave the club completely. Try and be a manager at Partick or somewhere.

[AdidasHibernian]

Hope I’m wrong but it seems a matter of when not if, whether that’s next week or next season. Even if we get out of this position into mid table is he really a manager who will take us to the level we want to be at? I just can’t see it and for what it’s worth that was pretty clear from his interim games imo.

Right now mid table would be like a cup win with this side sadly.

[Pretty Boy]

No, no, no. This is why we are soft as ****. If he goes, he goes. The culture of softness runs right through this club.

I agree.

Everyone loves Gray for that goal. Not just the goal but his whole role in that period from relegation to back in the Premiership. I don't see why it has to mean a job for life though. Paul Wright won Killie their first trophy ever and hasn't had infinite employment because of it, ditto Craig Brewster with Dundee Utd and the Scottish Cup.

If it doesn't work out then I'll be as sad as anyone but we can't just keep creating roles. If Gray is removed from his position then it will mean he has been part of multiple failed management teams, including as the main man. That should mean a clean break.

[wookie70]

That’s the problem in any industry, the profession I left had people who nailed interviews usually on the back of other peoples work but hadn’t learned the job and/or shown natural progression to deserve the role. Gray didn’t deserve nor does he have the experience for the role. He’s not a good manager purely down to not learning the craft of management through the levels.
Same at my job. Nailing an interview usually means someone will be crap at a job. Nailing the role most closely linked to the one you are applying for is the best indicator imo

[truehibernian]

Same at my job. Nailing an interview usually means someone will be crap at a job. Nailing the role most closely linked to the one you are applying for is the best indicator imo

Gray will be gone after this first round of fixtures. This team ain’t winning the next 3 games.

[B.H.F.C]

Gray will be gone after this first round of fixtures. This team ain’t winning the next 3 games.

I don’t think he’ll need to win the next three to keep his job. The problem is I can’t see him even winning one of them at this point in time.

That’s three games we’ve been leading going in to injury time and failed to win, with the way we capitulated today topping the lot. It just shows how incapable we are of handling any kind of pressure. When you’re leading at that time in the game teams are always going to chuck bodies forward, stick balls in to the box or whatever. To be getting in to those winning positions we must be doing something right throughout games (even if it doesn’t feel like it) but it’s absolutely no good when you just crumble under very little pressure the way we do.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

If Gray is sacked will he step in again as caretaker?

It is worrying. I thought it was the right time for SDG. Genuinely thought we'd be shopping in a different market and he had an opportunity with the funds behind him to build a side to compete in the Scottish premiership especially with the help of an experienced Scottish Manager in Mackay guiding him somewhat

CB pairing excited me as did getting Big Myk and Triantis back alongside Kwon and Hoilett.

GK and the right side is a massive problem. Obita isn't the best defensively either.

We needed a leader in CM. A permanent signing that could become captain. I hate to talk players down but Newell is a squad player at best, never mind captain.

Worrying times. Derby has gone from must not lose to MUST WIN. Things will turn ugly pretty quickly if we don't I fear