The VAR review | October

[Donegal Hibby]

After watching this and thought it would be interesting to hear your views , start of its a bit rough 🫣…

https://youtu.be/0ymQh9rueA0?si=mJSqqMpGlc9NOHET

[gbhibby]

It will be interesting to see how many no sanction handballs in the penalty area occur this season. Don't agree about the handball that happened in the Hearts v Rangers game at the start of the season.

[hibbytam]

After watching this and thought it would be interesting to hear your views , start of its a bit rough 🫣…

https://youtu.be/0ymQh9rueA0?si=mJSqqMpGlc9NOHET
I really don't understand the reasoning behind the handball in our game against rangers not being a goal scoring opportunity. They're saying its because the goalie might have stopped it, but equally he might not, and since when did that matter. It's not an argument when it's a last defender fouling with the goalie stilll to beat.
And that it's not deliberate? He's deliberately made himself bigger and blocked the ball with his hand.

[CMac1988]

Posted this on Youtube in response to the Penatly against Rangers but Souttar deliberately moves his arm toward the ball. Saying it's not deliberate is mental. Gollum says he agress with the ref and VAR about it not being deliberate but VAR says before the refs on field review that's he moved his arm to block the ball... All ignored during the review and afterwards. Interesting point not even discussed. I'm not one for agendas and such but the ref definitely tries to influence the outcome quickly by affirming the decision he's about to make reducing further input from VAR. There's no doubt in my mind this goes differently if it's the other way round.


VAR "His Arms there in order to stop it"

Ref "Non deliberate"

VAR "I agree... Not deliberate"

[gbhibby]

This type of programme would work better if the clubs were allowed to each have one decision looked at and the decision explained, the narrative seems to be controlled by the refs and var.

[Donegal Hibby]

I really don't understand the reasoning behind the handball in our game against rangers not being a goal scoring opportunity. They're saying its because the goalie might have stopped it, but equally he might not, and since when did that matter. It's not an argument when it's a last defender fouling with the goalie stilll to beat.
And that it's not deliberate? He's deliberately made himself bigger and blocked the ball with his hand.

The handball rule is a mess and what they are trying now with it is fine if it’s applied consistently and fairly to all teams which as we all know it won’t … that’s where the problem lies with it

How Souttar wasn’t at the very least booked is beyond belief .. if it was the opposite way round would our player have walked away without a card ? .

[Monktonhall 7]

I really don't understand the reasoning behind the handball in our game against rangers not being a goal scoring opportunity. They're saying its because the goalie might have stopped it, but equally he might not, and since when did that matter. It's not an argument when it's a last defender fouling with the goalie stilll to beat.
And that it's not deliberate? He's deliberately made himself bigger and blocked the ball with his hand.

That’s exactly what I thought when I read Collums explanation. How can a shot or header at goal, thats stopped by a hand not be a goal scoring opportunity because the Keeper has a chance of saving it?Does that mean it can only be a goal scoring opportunity when the keepers not in the goal? It looks like they are making up the rules as they go along.

[Brightside]

The goalie being involved is a made up excuse by scottish refs. Its doesnt exist in the laws of the game and should not affect DAGSO. BUT nobody will challenge it in Scotland.

[gbhibby]

https://youtu.be/X4j6kxBYc7g?si=jNCZkkrTgqcSCpja
How is the incident in this game not a penalty. Hits the elbow area , makes his frame bigger to the front of his body, player puts his arm up intentionally or was it because he was wearing a Rangers Jersey?

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[wookie70]

I really don't understand the reasoning behind the handball in our game against rangers not being a goal scoring opportunity. They're saying its because the goalie might have stopped it, but equally he might not, and since when did that matter. It's not an argument when it's a last defender fouling with the goalie stilll to beat.
And that it's not deliberate? He's deliberately made himself bigger and blocked the ball with his hand.


I don't get being chopped down 35 yards from goal being a goal scoring opportunity but a shot that would have been on target barring a deliberate(in my eyes) handball not being a goal scoring opportunity. To be fair I think the review being done like this is a positive but one thing it shows is the way the teams in teh booths communicate. Some sound like over excited fans(very few of them at ER) while others subdued. While the Motherwell incident definitely stopped a goal and Soutar only maybe stopped a goal is that distinction in the laws. I mean the football ones not the second set written for The Rangers

As far as I can see it this is the rule and deliberate would include making your body bigger and making a hand towards the ball which both happened.

denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by
committing a deliberate handball offence (except a goalkeeper within their
penalty area)

[Kato]

Putting "except in games involving The Rangers, when any decision can be applied arbitrarily", would bring some clarity to the Laws in Scotland.

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[gbhibby]

Putting "except in games involving The Rangers, when any decision can be applied arbitrarily", would bring some clarity to the Laws in Scotland.

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The Hun ball rule. Seriously they spent ages trying to find an angle for the Scales incident against to say it hit his shoulder will the same time and effort be applied to all teams.Hearts must be seething at the decisions that have not been given and have gone against them in their games against the old firm.

[Donegal Hibby]

One that really annoyed me was the penalty we didn’t get at Ibrox for a blatant handball when we were ahead… there was no way anyone could have missed that unless they intentionally ignored it😡

[Kato]

The Hun ball rule. Seriously they spent ages trying to find an angle for the Scales incident against to say it hit his shoulder will the same time and effort be applied to all teams.Hearts must be seething at the decisions that have not been given and have gone against them in their games against the old firm.Pundits repeatedly gaslight fans re-hunskullduggery.

I listened on the radio to last Stickies vs Hibs fixture. One of the pundits described the Soutar incident as him "sliding in" and his hand "had to be there for balance". He doesn't slide in, he takes a bigger than notmal step to allow his unnaturally raised hand to be in the path of the ball, he also never takes his eyes off the ball and knows exactly what he is doing. The gaslighting continues with "the goalkeeper would have got it" which is pure conjecture and has no bearing on the Laws anyway, he has stopped a goal scoring "opportunity" = penalty and a red card (no such thing as a yellow for doing so.) Same as the jambo fixture last season.

Hibs fans who swallow the gaslighting and only see "incompetence" or who take for granted pundits/officials set out to be fair are just as annoying - telling them to go bile thur heids should be allowed on this forum.

(eg anyone who believes that the linesman didn't see Sparkies free-kick go over the line is a mug (I have a bridge in NYC they might be interested in buying. ))

Seen us being cheated for decades and nothing will ever change - saying that I reckon things haven't been too bad so far in '24-25 but there are plenty scenarios left before the end of the season.

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[ancient hibee]

I wrote to the SFA about the free kick being a goal. I pointed out that as it was a direct free kick the officials should have been in positions so that they had a clear view of the goal line. Got an answer saying that the officials were in the correct positions to see what happened. I wrote back to ask why,in that case,a goal had not been given as the ball was clearly over the line. No answer.

[Musselbound]

I really don't understand the reasoning behind the handball in our game against rangers not being a goal scoring opportunity. They're saying its because the goalie might have stopped it, but equally he might not, and since when did that matter. It's not an argument when it's a last defender fouling with the goalie stilll to beat.
And that it's not deliberate? He's deliberately made himself bigger and blocked the ball with his hand.

Totally agree with you about the point that the goalie might have saved it. How many red cards have we seen over many years of players taken down with the keeper still to beat? Just an utter nonsense argument.

[gbhibby]

Pundits repeatedly gaslight fans re-hunskullduggery.

I listened on the radio to last Stickies vs Hibs fixture. One of the pundits described the Soutar incident as him "sliding in" and his hand "had to be there for balance". He doesn't slide in, he takes a bigger than notmal step to allow his unnaturally raised hand to be in the path of the ball, he also never takes his eyes off the ball and knows exactly what he is doing. The gaslighting continues with "the goalkeeper would have got it" which is pure conjecture and has no bearing on the Laws anyway, he has stopped a goal scoring "opportunity" = penalty and a red card (no such thing as a yellow for doing so.) Same as the jambo fixture last season.

Hibs fans who swallow the gaslighting and only see "incompetence" or who take for granted pundits/officials set out to be fair are just as annoying - telling them to go bile thur heids should be allowed on this forum.

(eg anyone who believes that the linesman didn't see Sparkies free-kick go over the line is a mug (I have a bridge in NYC they might be interested in buying. ))

Seen us being cheated for decades and nothing will ever change - saying that I reckon things haven't been too bad so far in '24-25 but there are plenty scenarios left before the end of the season.

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Has the handball rule changed? Can't find any update.

[Donegal Hibby]

Posted this on Youtube in response to the Penatly against Rangers but Souttar deliberately moves his arm toward the ball. Saying it's not deliberate is mental. Gollum says he agress with the ref and VAR about it not being deliberate but VAR says before the refs on field review that's he moved his arm to block the ball... All ignored during the review and afterwards. Interesting point not even discussed. I'm not one for agendas and such but the ref definitely tries to influence the outcome quickly by affirming the decision he's about to make reducing further input from VAR. There's no doubt in my mind this goes differently if it's the other way round.


VAR "His Arms there in order to stop it"

Ref "Non deliberate"

VAR "I agree... Not deliberate"

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/crglwg7822ro

[JimBHibees]

Totally agree with you about the point that the goalie might have saved it. How many red cards have we seen over many years of players taken down with the keeper still to beat? Just an utter nonsense argument.

Completely agree makes no sense to me if it is deemed to be a pen it should be a red. Nothing at all to do with whether a completely subjective judgement of the goalie might have saved it is relevant at all. Interesting there was no yellow at all which didn’t get but might have been because of where it happened and giving yellow might have suggested should have been red. No doubt in my mind a Hibs player gets a red for that and Boyd is arguing the opposite. Totally agree with the pundits controlling the narrative the clear Boyle penalty v Celtic last season you had Lennon and McFadden taking the pee out of Boyle yet ignoring the clear contact in the box. Walsh seems to be a common denominator in these big decisions

[SickBoy32]

Pundits repeatedly gaslight fans re-hunskullduggery.

I listened on the radio to last Stickies vs Hibs fixture. One of the pundits described the Soutar incident as him "sliding in" and his hand "had to be there for balance". He doesn't slide in, he takes a bigger than notmal step to allow his unnaturally raised hand to be in the path of the ball, he also never takes his eyes off the ball and knows exactly what he is doing. The gaslighting continues with "the goalkeeper would have got it" which is pure conjecture and has no bearing on the Laws anyway, he has stopped a goal scoring "opportunity" = penalty and a red card (no such thing as a yellow for doing so.) Same as the jambo fixture last season.

Hibs fans who swallow the gaslighting and only see "incompetence" or who take for granted pundits/officials set out to be fair are just as annoying - telling them to go bile thur heids should be allowed on this forum.

(eg anyone who believes that the linesman didn't see Sparkies free-kick go over the line is a mug (I have a bridge in NYC they might be interested in buying. ))

Seen us being cheated for decades and nothing will ever change - saying that I reckon things haven't been too bad so far in '24-25 but there are plenty scenarios left before the end of the season.

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Excellent post, wholeheartedly agree. Bravo sir 👍

[gbhibby]

https://youtu.be/fqQfUlVnQXQ?si=SraAfeG-zs-iWSth

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