Stick in David

[Hibiza]

You're doing fine.

[1875Sean]

You're doing fine.

The league would suggest otherwise

[Trinity Hibee]

Baffling, just baffling.

[Smartie]

The league would suggest otherwise

Rome wasn't built in a day and it's still only early October.

He was there when we needed him most - the least we could do is show him a little bit of loyalty, patience and support. Results haven't been what they've needed to be but I'm also one of those who is choosing to see some green shoots.

Brilliant thread. I love it.


Edit - it's much better seeing my name under the thread title "Stick in David" as it appears on the opening page having made the last post on the thread than is seeing my name under the "Gray is out of his depth one", like I somehow endorse the sentiment.

[MWHIBBIES]

Rome wasn't built in a day and it's still only early October.

He was there when we needed him most - the least we could do is show him a little bit of loyalty, patience and support. Results haven't been what they've needed to be but I'm also one of those who is choosing to see some green shoots.

Brilliant thread. I love it.


Edit - it's much better seeing my name under the thread title "Stick in David" as it appears on the opening page having made the last post on the thread than is seeing my name under the "Gray is out of his depth one", like I somehow agree with that sentiment.

It really doesn't help that Aberdeen, in a near identical situation, have built Rome in a day.

[Broken Gnome]

Well said. Nothing wrong with the odd day of going beyond the tale of woe we find ourselves. Quite up for thinking there's a person we're pretty fond of at the centre of this and he's doing his best.

[JimBHibees]

Guy needs and deserves our support. Like how he goes about his job.

[Bostonhibby]

Not going to be failing for lack of effort or lack of love of the club, he's got my backing and if it all goes horribly wrong the root cause of the problem lies slightly higher up the food chain at Hibs.





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[Smartie]

It really doesn't help that Aberdeen, in a near identical situation, have built Rome in a day.

It doesn't, certainly.

It probably helps him that at least it's Aberdeen and not Hearts - who themselves are toiling.

I know we're in competition with these other clubs but in some respects we're running our own race, our own situation is unique, and the situation Gray has walked into has been far from ideal - quite a bit less ideal than the Aberdeen one who stole a little bit of a march on us by getting a few bits and pieces in order towards the end of last season. The fact that we did not do likewise was absolutely not on David Gray.

[nickwhibs]

It’s not been a good start but I hope and think he will turn it around. He definitely needs to be given more time so let’s get behind him. If we’re still in the same position by Xmas then it will be cause for concern

[HarpOnHibee]

We're forever a work in progress, but without the progress. I have no doubt David Gray has these players working hard during training and I don't doubt their effort in games either. My concern is where the effort is being applied. The players huff and puff but our play is inefficient and I've seen nothing from Gray to suggest that he even recognizes the issue. He seems to be under the impression that we just need to keep playing the same way and the results will come. But that's not going to happen. We may win the odd game here and there, but it won't be nearly enough to rescue the season. Our style of play is wasteful.

[B.H.F.C]

Guy needs and deserves our support. Like how he goes about his job.

I really don’t think the support is in question.

There was a good crowd in on Saturday. And the reaction would have been a lot worse come full time if it was someone else in the dugout. Derby all but sold out already as well. We need to start getting something back now.

[Just_Jimmy]

It really doesn't help that Aberdeen, in a near identical situation, have built Rome in a day.Aberdeen appointed someone with management experience.

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[DarlingtonHibee]

It's a ten for me,SDG legend.

[MWHIBBIES]

Aberdeen appointed someone with management experience.

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I know. And it seems to be working.

Appointed by their CEO, who also has football experience.

[The Modfather]

It doesn't, certainly.

It probably helps him that at least it's Aberdeen and not Hearts - who themselves are toiling.

I know we're in competition with these other clubs but in some respects we're running our own race, our own situation is unique, and the situation Gray has walked into has been far from ideal - quite a bit less ideal than the Aberdeen one who stole a little bit of a march on us by getting a few bits and pieces in order towards the end of last season. The fact that we did not do likewise was absolutely not on David Gray.

Is the March Aberdeen stole on us not offset by the fact a big selling point to appointing Gray was he knew the squad and what was needed? It just feels like we watch other sides reverse their fortunes quickly while there’s always a litany of reasons unique to us as to why we can’t do likewise.

[Not In The Know]

It doesn't, certainly.

It probably helps him that at least it's Aberdeen and not Hearts - who themselves are toiling.

I know we're in competition with these other clubs but in some respects we're running our own race, our own situation is unique, and the situation Gray has walked into has been far from ideal - quite a bit less ideal than the Aberdeen one who stole a little bit of a march on us by getting a few bits and pieces in order towards the end of last season. The fact that we did not do likewise was absolutely not on David Gray.


Aberdeen had a squad that was massively underperforming. Our squad was/is a shambles and not performing. But I think there are green shoots of recovery for SDG - thats why we were all so Peed off on Saturday when we lost.

[Smartie]

Is the March Aberdeen stole on us not offset by the fact a big selling point to appointing Gray was he knew the squad and what was needed? It just feels like we watch other sides reverse their fortunes quickly while there’s always a litany of reasons unique to us as to why we can’t do likewise.

A bit.

I think my expectations for this season have been tempered by the fact that we pissed about (as usual tbh) between not making top six and punting Monty, losing valuable time where I'm fairly sure Aberdeen were getting valuable ducks in a row.

For whatever reason we had to wait to appoint MacKay, then it was green light from there.

Re Gray and his knowing the squad - he's obviously had so much faith in the squad that he's seen fit to build an entirely new spine from scratch, which is likely to take a certain amount of bedding in, or lead to a bit of inconsistency. I know absolutely nothing about the specifics of Aberdeen situation but I'd be surprised if they've not hung onto at least 2 or 3 players in the spine of their team to build around? Maybe their manager saw at least something in some of their players to work with whereas Gray saw nothing in ours - a situation I think many of us could very much relate to.

I'm not arguing that we've been good enough. I would argue that the lamentable state of our club over the past few seasons has led to a situation where it is hardly straightforward for us to hit the ground running and be a cohesive, consistent unit from the word go.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

You're doing fine.

Lolz

[The Modfather]

A bit.

I think my expectations for this season have been tempered by the fact that we pissed about (as usual tbh) between not making top six and punting Monty, losing valuable time where I'm fairly sure Aberdeen were getting valuable ducks in a row.

For whatever reason we had to wait to appoint MacKay, then it was green light from there.

Re Gray and his knowing the squad - he's obviously had so much faith in the squad that he's seen fit to build an entirely new spine from scratch, which is likely to take a certain amount of bedding in, or lead to a bit of inconsistency. I know absolutely nothing about the specifics of Aberdeen situation but I'd be surprised if they've not hung onto at least 2 or 3 players in the spine of their team to build around? Maybe their manager saw at least something in some of their players to work with whereas Gray saw nothing in ours - a situation I think many of us could very much relate to.

I'm not arguing that we've been good enough. I would argue that the lamentable state of our club over the past few seasons has led to a situation where it is hardly straightforward for us to hit the ground running and be a cohesive, consistent unit from the word go.

Looking at Aberdeen’s last lineup against Hearts their spine of the team had a new keeper, new CB, new midfielder & a new striker. Not too dissimilar to us, though haven’t looked at any of their other lineups.

I just find it depressing watching others do the doing, while we talk about how it’s harder for us and like turning the Titanic. I can already envision next summers expectations being managed when we have a whole squad out of contract and a spine to the team going back to their loan clubs. “It’s unrealistic to expect to sign a new team in one window. We will steady the ship this summer and push for 3rd in season 26/27”.

[whiskyhibby]

Guy needs and deserves our support. Like how he goes about his job.

Me too, he needs time to get it right and I for one am right behind him

[Unseen work]

Desperate for it to work out.

All the best, Sir David Gray.

[SHODAN]

David Gray

[Bobby's Cinema]

Guy needs and deserves our support. Like how he goes about his job.
:agree:

[InvertedFullBak]

We’re all wanting it to work for obvious reasons but as I said on another thread , its all about staying up this season and clearing out the dross over the next 2/3/4 windows thst Ian Gordon has signed over the time he’s been playing championship manager.

David gray will have to start getting results and getting them quickly. A derby defeat could be disastrous for him when it comes to winning the doubters over.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Looking at Aberdeen’s last lineup against Hearts their spine of the team had a new keeper, new CB, new midfielder & a new striker. Not too dissimilar to us, though haven’t looked at any of their other lineups.

I just find it depressing watching others do the doing, while we talk about how it’s harder for us and like turning the Titanic. I can already envision next summers expectations being managed when we have a whole squad out of contract and a spine to the team going back to their loan clubs. “It’s unrealistic to expect to sign a new team in one window. We will steady the ship this summer and push for 3rd in season 26/27”.

:agree:

And on top of that, they lost £6m of striker.

[Smartie]

Looking at Aberdeen’s last lineup against Hearts their spine of the team had a new keeper, new CB, new midfielder & a new striker. Not too dissimilar to us, though haven’t looked at any of their other lineups.

I just find it depressing watching others do the doing, while we talk about how it’s harder for us and like turning the Titanic. I can already envision next summers expectations being managed when we have a whole squad out of contract and a spine to the team going back to their loan clubs. “It’s unrealistic to expect to sign a new team in one window. We will steady the ship this summer and push for 3rd in season 26/27”.

One of the reasons I'm being patient now is because I think there should be no hiding place next season. I badly want us to be planning for next season now, we need to be making the moves to get the players who will see us through the next few years from when we can speak to players whose contracts are expiring from January.

Don't get me wrong - I've had it with the "quality becomes available late in the window" and "it's a transitional season" pish, totally had it. I'm just very wary of the supposed solution to our problems being the exact reason we're in trouble - churn, uncertainty, indecision, hoof the manager for other people's failings. I'm prepared to allow a rookie manager to make a few mistakes this season, to learn his trade and to be working very closely with MacKay to bring in the players he needs to be successful next season.

Saturday was just one game but it has had a pivotal feeling - a win takes us in one direction but the loss appears to have taken us in a very different one.


And re Aberdeen and their spine - that's sort of my point - they've at least had 2 or 3 players to work with. On Saturday we only had Campbell, and he's very lucky to have been in there. Gray, by knowing our squad has decided that he didn't fancy Wollacott, didn't push the boat out to keep Hanlon, appears to not fancy Rocky, brought in Kwon and Triantis and started them every game and binned Vente early. That's about as bold a vote of no confidence in what was already here as it's possible to get. Another manager would probably be pissing about trying to get a tune out of these players, Levitt, Kenneh and JDH and we'd still be 3 months or so short of coming to the realisations Gray already has. Newell is the only player who was part of last season's spine who has a half chance of being a regular fixture going forward imo and even that is debatable. Aberdeen have had had upheaval for sure, but not as much as we have.

[Hibees1973]

I really don’t think the support is in question.

There was a good crowd in on Saturday. And the reaction would have been a lot worse come full time if it was someone else in the dugout. Derby all but sold out already as well. We need to start getting something back now.

Nail on head. Apart from the odd shout, the East stand was very quiet last 15 minutes on Saturday. Clearly giving Gray some space.

Most Hibs supporters knew he had a monumental job. This was based on the squad he has, but more importantly, the shambolic way the footballing side of the club has been run for years. Ian Gordon finally admitted to this recently. Unfair to compare us with Aberdeen. Thelin has many years of experience as manager. Gray has none, apart from a few weeks as an interim manager.

Gray is not that naive. Knows he has to get a couple of wins in October or he could be toast, even this early given what has gone on before.

[The Modfather]

One of the reasons I'm being patient now is because I think there should be no hiding place next season. I badly want us to be planning for next season now, we need to be making the moves to get the players who will see us through the next few years from when we can speak to players whose contracts are expiring from January.

Don't get me wrong - I've had it with the "quality becomes available late in the window" and "it's a transitional season" pish, totally had it. I'm just very wary of the supposed solution to our problems being the exact reason we're in trouble - churn, uncertainty, indecision, hoof the manager for other people's failings. I'm prepared to allow a rookie manager to make a few mistakes this season, to learn his trade and to be working very closely with MacKay to bring in the players he needs to be successful next season.

Saturday was just one game but it has had a pivotal feeling - a win takes us in one direction but the loss appears to have taken us in a very different one.


And re Aberdeen and their spine - that's sort of my point - they've at least had 2 or 3 players to work with. On Saturday we only had Campbell, and he's very lucky to have been in there. Gray, by knowing our squad has decided that he didn't fancy Wollacott, didn't push the boat out to keep Hanlon, appears to not fancy Rocky, brought in Kwon and Triantis and started them every game and binned Vente early. That's about as bold a vote of no confidence in what was already here as it's possible to get. Another manager would probably be pissing about trying to get a tune out of these players, Levitt, Kenneh and JDH and we'd still be 3 months or so short of coming to the realisations Gray already has. Newell is the only player who was part of last season's spine who has a half chance of being a regular fixture going forward imo and even that is debatable. Aberdeen have had had upheaval for sure, but not as much as we have.

It’s also worth noting that of the the 4 new players in Aberdeen’s spine only one of them is on loan, they only have one loan player in total. In comparison, of the 6 new players in our spine on Saturday, 4 are on loan. Aberdeen took in crazy money, but according to transfermarket their spend is the same as we spent last summer, closing in on £2m.

I’m not deliberately trying to talk up Aberdeen and talk Hibs down. It’s difficult to look at it objectively and see much more than two clubs starting from a standing start. Aberdeen signing a new manager, similar-ish levels of a new spine required, spending in line with our spend last summer, and translated it into 7 wins from 7. We appointed Gray, Mackay & Marshall to roles they are doing for the first time, have 4 of our spine on loan, and have translated it to 5 points from seven games.

Gray deserves to see the season out as not his fault what has gone before or his lack of experience. However I don’t feel overly enthused that much has changed other than we’ve put a Scottish/experience of Scottish football tint on essentially more of the same. Time will tell.

[Ray_]

His judgement was dreadfully poor on Saturday, he didn't remove Cadden & Campbell, who were having mares, until much too late & kept Junior on set pieces when his delivery from them was woeful all game.

[He's here!]

Every Hibs fan would love to see him do well. When it comes to playing legends going on successfully manage the club it worked out for Eddie Turnbull, but he'd already put in a lot of coaching and managerial mileage, winning the Scottish Cup with Aberdeen before coming back 'home'. Pat Stanton, unfortunately, was always up against it with the club at a horribly low ebb playing-wise and financially, yet brought through some great young players. Franck Sauzee was swept into the job on a tide of goodwill but it was a reckless move by the club in hindsight.

John Blackley got us to a cup final, John Collins won a cup and Mixu put in a solid enough shift without much moving the dial. Any others? Willie Ormond wasn't in the job long and I think had to retire on health grounds, while Bertie Auld wasn't from the 'legendary' stable.

Gray DOES have a relatively solid CV and managers with less experience have gone on to do well, but the start to the season's left him looking a bit vulnerable already. Lose the next two games, go bottom of the league, and I'm not sure he'd survive under the trigger-happy Gordon regime. Fingers crossed he can dig something out. The derby being the obvious time to do it.

[Kato]

It really doesn't help that Aberdeen, in a near identical situation, have built Rome in a day.Really. They have had a very good start. That's hardly an empire.

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[He's here!]

It really doesn't help that Aberdeen, in a near identical situation, have built Rome in a day.

But they've gone through a not dissimilar string of failed appointments post-McInnes before finally getting one right. Robson had that freakish run to send them soaring up the table to third but it was largely awful until now.

[Since452]

Aberdeen appointed someone with management experience.

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Absolutely mental idea that

[He's here!]

Warnock?

Indeed. Probably has more managerial experience than every Scottish top-flight manager combined.

Lee Johnson's also got plenty of experience.

Mowbray and Stubbs had very little when they came to Hibs.

[Franck Le God]

Results clearly aren’t where we want them to be, but I’m seeing progressively better performances in the past couple of games that gives me hope.

Killie are floundering with a manager a lot on here were keen on us appointing. Hearts, who strolled to 3rd last year, are all over the shop.

What our club needs is a period of stability and a long term plan, not ‘supporters’ claiming he’s out of his depth after 7 league games - 2 of those against the old firm.

Keep a bit of faith, accept there are going to be bad results at times and enjoy the good ones.


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[easty]

Results clearly aren’t where we want them to be, but I’m seeing progressively better performances in the past couple of games that gives me hope.

Killie are floundering with a manager a lot on here were keen on us appointing. Hearts, who strolled to 3rd last year, are all over the shop.

What our club needs is a period of stability and a long term plan, not ‘supporters’ claiming he’s out of his depth after 7 league games - 2 of those against the old firm.

Keep a bit of faith, accept there are going to be bad results at times and enjoy the good ones.


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I’m not seeing the improvement some folk talk about. To me it’s the same as when people were saying Monty was improving us.

I do agree that stability and a long term plan would be ideal, but not just stability for the sake of it.

Hibs fans have kept the faith. Things have been a joke for ages, and the bad results have had to be accepted.

I’m not looking for SDG to go, but he doesn’t get a free pass, it’s going to have to get better.

[Donegal Hibby]

I’m not seeing the improvement some folk talk about. To me it’s the same as when people were saying Monty was improving us.

I do agree that stability and a long term plan would be ideal, but not just stability for the sake of it.

Hibs fans have kept the faith. Things have been a joke for ages, and the bad results have had to be accepted.

I’m not looking for SDG to go, but he doesn’t get a free pass, it’s going to have to get better.

7 games we have played in the league now and I agree results haven’t went entirely the way we would like though apart from the St Mirren one which IMO was the worse because it was like we collapsed in it I don’t think the others performance wise have been totally bad even though results have been disappointing…

both the Dundee and particularly the Killie game we came close to winning , sevco I thought we were unfortunate not to take anything from and played well in it ... St Johnstone the first half wasn’t great though once we got the goal I thought we played well in the 2nd half and actually enjoyed it ...

Going into the Motherwell game I thought / felt there was an air of optimism and hope on here though the end result turned everything drastically from our previous two games which was some change as it went from optimism and hope to utter doom and gloom…

The reaction changing so drastically I think is down to the last few seasons where fan’s patience has ran out , I totally get that though again I thought we played well against Motherwell even though a lack of being clinical cost us as well as individual mistakes….

We have to start picking up wins soon no question about that though I honestly think most of our performance's haven’t been as bad as our league position suggests … and with that I think we should stay strong and support Gray now when he needs it .

[The Harp Awakes]

His judgement was dreadfully poor on Saturday, he didn't remove Cadden & Campbell, who were having mares, until much too late & kept Junior on set pieces when his delivery from them was woeful all game.

Agreed. Like the vast majority of Hibs fans I'm desperate for DG to succeed. However, what he doesn't have is lots of time to cut his teeth as a Manager.

He made several mistakes v Motherwell which combined, contributed to the defeat, no doubt. As you say Cadden and Campbell were woeful and arguably should not have started in the first place. Triantis was not playing well and on a yellow and wasn't hooked before the red.

Playing 1 up front v Motherwell with 1 creative player (Hoilett) was never going to provide a cutting edge.

Appointing a rookie Manager was always going to generate these mistakes so early on in his tenure. The problem he has is that I'm not sure the majority of Hibs fans have patience to give him the required time to grow into the role. The series of disastrous Managerial appointments before does him no favours.

[The Harp Awakes]

His judgement was dreadfully poor on Saturday, he didn't remove Cadden & Campbell, who were having mares, until much too late & kept Junior on set pieces when his delivery from them was woeful all game.

Agreed. Like the vast majority of Hibs fans I'm desperate for DG to succeed. However, what he doesn't have is lots of time to cut his teeth as a Manager.

He made several mistakes v Motherwell which combined, contributed to the defeat, no doubt. As you say Cadden and Campbell were woeful and arguably should not have started in the first place. Triantis was not playing well and on a yellow and wasn't hooked before the red.

Playing 1 up front v Motherwell with 1 creative player (Hoilett) was never going to provide a cutting edge.

Appointing a rookie Manager was always going to generate these mistakes so early on in his tenure. The problem he has is that I'm not sure the majority of Hibs fans have patience to give him the required time to grow into the role. The series of disastrous Managerial appointments before him does him no favours.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Aberdeen appointed someone with management experience.

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Lee Johnson had managerial experience.

The man who shall not be named had managerial experience and in the SPL ended up taking us down.

That said, and against the advice Malcolm McPherson heard from Sir Alex about hiring rookie managers, we did it AGAIN under HIS watch. Let’s hope he doesn’t have to sour things like he did with Sauzee.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Warnock?

I thought that he was only ever a stop-gap but then pulled the plug on himself?

[JimBHibees]

I’m not seeing the improvement some folk talk about. To me it’s the same as when people were saying Monty was improving us.

I do agree that stability and a long term plan would be ideal, but not just stability for the sake of it.

Hibs fans have kept the faith. Things have been a joke for ages, and the bad results have had to be accepted.

I’m not looking for SDG to go, but he doesn’t get a free pass, it’s going to have to get better.

Don't think anyone deserves a free pass however some support and patience would be good. Thought game at Ibrox we looked much more organised and defensively sound through there than we have for a while. Motherwell thought played well enough first half and should have been ahead. Two abominable goals killed us as did the red card. No doubt completely frustrating however thought there were promising signs in both.

[Since452]

Lee Johnson had managerial experience.

The man who shall not be named had managerial experience and in the SPL ended up taking us down.

That said, and against the advice Malcolm McPherson heard from Sir Alex about hiring rookie managers, we did it AGAIN under HIS watch. Let’s hope he doesn’t have to sour things like he did with Sauzee.

Lee Johnson did and whatever way you look at it he was our best manager since Jack Ross, another experienced manager. Maybe there's something in it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Lee Johnson did and whatever way you look at it he was our best manager since Jack Ross, another experienced manager. Maybe there's something in it.

:agree:

Since Mowbray, our top 6 finishes have come under:

06/07 - John Collins - no experience
07/08 - Mixu - a bit of experience
09/10 - John Hughes - experience
17/18 - Neil Lennon - experience
18/19 - Paul Heckingbottom - experience
20/21 - Jack Ross - experience
22/23 - Lee Johnson - experience

I would add that numerous experienced managers have also lead us to bottom 6. Generally speaking though, our best league performances come under managers with experience.

[MWHIBBIES]

:agree:

Since Mowbray, our top 6 finishes have come under:

06/07 - John Collins - no experience
07/08 - Mixu - a bit of experience
09/10 - John Hughes - experience
12/13 - Pat Fenlon - experience
17/18 - Neil Lennon - experience
18/19 - Paul Heckingbottom - experience
20/21 - Jack Ross - experience
22/23 - Lee Johnson - experience

I would add that numerous experienced managers have also lead us to bottom 6. Generally speaking though, our best league performances come under managers with experience.

Fenlon never made top 6.

Most managers that get us top 6 get appointed in summer. Ones who come in mid season general don't last.

[easty]

Lee Johnson had managerial experience.

The man who shall not be named had managerial experience and in the SPL ended up taking us down.

That said, and against the advice Malcolm McPherson heard from Sir Alex about hiring rookie managers, we did it AGAIN under HIS watch. Let’s hope he doesn’t have to sour things like he did with Sauzee.

Clearly some experienced managers are still going to fail, but that shouldn’t be an argument for appointing someone without experience.

Some people with driving licences and plenty experience still make a **** of it on the road, but that doesn’t mean it’s a better idea to jump in a car with someone who doesn’t have a license.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Fenlon never made top 6.

Most managers that get us top 6 get appointed in summer. Ones who come in mid season general don't last.

Apologies, neither he did, it was 7th.

[blackpoolhibs]

SDG never promised us best of the rest, SDG did not pump £6m into the club and say he wanted European league football, or offer help from their system.

We once again went with the boards input, that has failed miserably from the very first day the Gordons walked through the door, is it any wonder SDG is struggling?

[MWHIBBIES]

SDG never promised us best of the rest, SDG did not pump £6m into the club and say he wanted European league football, or offer help from their system.

We once again went with the boards input, that has failed miserably from the very first day the Gordons walked through the door, is it any wonder SDG is struggling?

Correct. Pretty much everything I feared with those owners has come true. Utter charlatans.

[Donegal Hibby]

Looking at the managers we had top 6 finishes…

Collins… resigned.
Mixu… left mutual consent.
Hughes… left mutual consent.
Fenlon… resigned.
Lennon… left mutual consent.
Heckingbottom… sacked .#
Ross … sacked .#
Johnson… sacked .#


# ..Heckingbottom went on to prove he wasn’t a bad manager by getting Sheffield United promoted to the premier. Sacked after losing 5-2 to Celtic on a run of 1 win in 11.

Ross … had guided us to a 3rd place finish, Scottish cup final and league semi final before being sacked for 7 defeats in 9 with his style of football widely criticised for being dull and boring.

LJ … finished 5th and we qualified for Europe which was an improvement from the following season though sacked after losing our first 3 league games of the new season…

Any of these merited more time ? . I think Kettlewell at Motherwell had a bad run as have other managers but on occasions their clubs have stuck with them only for them to turn it around.

[oneone73]

Looking at the managers we had top 6 finishes…

Collins… resigned.
Mixu… left mutual consent.
Hughes… left mutual consent.
Fenlon… resigned.
Lennon… left mutual consent.
Heckingbottom… sacked .#
Ross … sacked .#
Johnson… sacked .#


# ..Heckingbottom went on to prove he wasn’t a bad manager by getting Sheffield United promoted to the premier. Sacked after losing 5-2 to Celtic on a run of 1 win in 11.

Ross … had guided us to a 3rd place finish, Scottish cup final and league semi final before being sacked for 7 defeats in 9 with his style of football widely criticised for being dull and boring.

LJ … finished 5th and we qualified for Europe which was an improvement from the following season though sacked after losing our first 3 league games of the new season…

Any of these merited more time ? . I think Kettlewell at Motherwell had a bad run as have other managers but on occasions their clubs have stuck with them only for them to turn it around.

Ross had also managed us to a League Cup Final.

[He's here!]

Ross had also managed us to a League Cup Final.

Yep, 3rd place (first time in 16 years), Europe, two cup finals and semi-finals of all the other cup competitions we played in under him. A record probably over and above what most Hibs fans expect of the club yet sacked the first time he hit a bad patch.

It's the fact we lost to St Johnstone in one of those semi-finals and finals which was hard to get past, but overall we were in a vastly superior place to anywhere we've been since.

[blackpoolhibs]

Yep, 3rd place (first time in 16 years), Europe, two cup finals and semi-finals of all the other cup competitions we played in under him. A record probably over and above what most Hibs fans expect of the club yet sacked the first time he hit a bad patch.

It's the fact we lost to St Johnstone in one of those semi-finals and finals which was hard to get past, but overall we were in a vastly superior place to anywhere we've been since.

I didnt find it hard to get over, he had us competing in every trophy we entered, it was only when the Gordons got their grubby hands on the place that things went pear shaped.

In hindsight, i dont blame any of the managers they have appointed since they took over, they have all managed with one hand tied behind their backs.

[Donegal Hibby]

Ross had also managed us to a League Cup Final.

Forgot about that one🤭 . That was the one Gray took charge off and stated he had been phoning Ross for advice leading up to it … should have given him the opportunity of the final. All ifs and buts though I wonder if we had stuck with Ross even though there was discontentment among from the Hibs fans about the football would he have turned it around?

[He's here!]

I didnt find it hard to get over, he had us competing in every trophy we entered, it was only when the Gordons got their grubby hands on the place that things went pear shaped.

In hindsight, i dont blame any of the managers they have appointed since they took over, they have all managed with one hand tied behind their backs.

Yes, I agree. I just meant it's always frustrating/maddening when we fail to take what looks on paper like a strong opportunity to reach a final/win a cup, but it was absurd that we got rid of him on the back of a first bad run in the league (despite the fact we'd just reached another final with a gubbing of Rangers). Also worth noting we'd have been in yet ANOTHER final had Nisbet managed to stick away that penalty v Hearts.

We've never come even close to being as competitive as we were under Ross since his sacking.

[Hibs Go Bragh]

I want SDG to be given the whole season mostly for the fact I don't want Malky Mackay anywhere near the dugout! If we reach that stage just put us out of our misery.

[Heisenberg]

I want SDG to be given the whole season mostly for the fact I don't want Malky Mackay anywhere near the dugout! If we reach that stage just put us out of our misery.

I just don’t see MM ever being our manager. I know those in charge make some crazy decisions but that would be Budge appointing Levein levels of incompetence.

[Spike Mandela]

I agree with the general sentimentof the OP but imo only wins will give SDG the opportunity to' 'stick in'.

I can see slight improvements in certain areas of the team but also glaring vulnerabilities.

He has to find a way to win, no ifs no buts, just win. Starting agaist united and very definitely against a misfiring Hearts.

Failure to win these games or a worsening in league positiom and I fear for him. Pressure will build from board level and fans.

I agree with the logic of giving managers time to come good, especially new coaches. However, if people show you who they are, believe them. This board has shown that under that level of pressure they will pull the trigger.

So early in the season and SDG's reign I think we have reached a critical point that I pray we rise to.

[blackpoolhibs]

I just don’t see MM ever being our manager. I know those in charge make some crazy decisions but that would be Budge appointing Levein levels of incompetence.

I wouldnt put anything past these imposters.

[Coco Bryce]

I just don’t see MM ever being our manager. I know those in charge make some crazy decisions but that would be Budge appointing Levein levels of incompetence.

Malcolm McPherson thinks differently.

[Gatecrasher]

I really want him to do well, but we need something to give us the hope and signs that things are improving, I haven't seen much yet. I hope he gets some results in the coming games.

[Donegal Hibby]

I want SDG to be given the whole season mostly for the fact I don't want Malky Mackay anywhere near the dugout! If we reach that stage just put us out of our misery.

I don’t think we’d look at MM if the worse scenario happened . I think we’d go down the same route as Aberdeen and hertz probably will … really want Gray to succeed and think he should be given the time and support too .

[McGruber]

Desperate for him to be a success and whilst it hasn't been a good start it's still early days. The key is that he learns from his mistakes and learns quickly.