Less than a goal a game

[CJHibby]

For a supposed attacking team, we can't even score a goal per game. Under Gray, we play in such a scared manner that if we were 1-0 up 10 mins to go we'd be hanging on for dear life to get the points. That feat of losing or not getting results needs to go before we progress. I personally think we have enough decent players to do much better than we are but nerves are our downfall.

[hibee-boys]

For a supposed attacking team, we can't even score a goal per game. Under Gray, we play in such a scared manner that if we were 1-0 up 10 mins to go we'd be hanging on for dear life to get the points. That feat of losing or not getting results needs to go before we progress. I personally think we have enough decent players to do much better than we are but nerves are our downfall.

Play a system with literally 1 player decent at going forward with ball at feet (Hoilett) and we wonder why……..against Motherwell as well🤷🏼🙈

[CJHibby]

We should be able to beat plenty teams in that league with what we have. Lots of people don't like Lennon but a manager like him could get better results by better motivation. I hope Gray can be the man but not liking what I've seen in the league so far. Strangely enough, the earlier Cup games Kelty apart we looked good and effective but that seems to have disappeared.

[MWHIBBIES]

Do we? Don't think we were playing scared. Just lack quality.

[CJHibby]

I think we do.

[Lago]

Damning statistic.

[andrew70]

We are playing with a mindset not to get beat, even at 1-1 on Saturday we never played with initiative.

The problem is we can’t play on the counter against teams like Motherwell.

Motherwell showed more intent and deserved to win.

[number9dream]

Two holding midfielders and one striker is okay at Ibrox but not at home to Motherwell.
Too often we only had four players in the attacking third and two of them had stinkers.
Not the only two - and that's the main issue. Systems only get you so far. Application and attitude go a long way.

[ancient hibee]

And still we have lost more goals in the last 15 minutes than any other in the league.

[MWHIBBIES]

Two holding midfielders and one striker is okay at Ibrox but not at home to Motherwell.
Too often we only had four players in the attacking third and two of them had stinkers.
Not the only two - and that's the main issue. Systems only get you so far. Application and attitude go a long way.

It was fine at home to st Johnston where we won?

4231 is just fine in any scenario, it's all about execution. Kwon certainly isn't a pure holding anchor man. Triantis also has excellent ball carrying ability when appropriate.

1 striker is basically played across the world. The idea that just sticking 2 strikers on is more likely to lead to goals is utter rubbish tbh.

[RIP]

I watched the highlights of the Dundee v Killie game. At each of the 3 Killie goals they had 5 or 6 attacking players in the box.

Freeze frame our chances on Saturday. Gray doesn't set up his teams to attack centrally. At most he has 2 each side of the box and 2 in the penalty area. Then a predictable cross or a cut inside.

The first thing our midfielders do is play the ball to the flanks. We simply do not attack the box in numbers. Chicken-hearted tactics.

[CJHibby]

My point is we should attack more freely in whichever system we adopt. We play too cautiously and I don't like it! Win, lose or draw trying really hard to win and score lots of goals is my philosophy.

[hibsforeurope]

It’s a lack of quality in attack, take Boyle and Bowie out and we’re struggling. Youan’s forms fallen off a cliff and myko just hasn’t got going.
We lost something like 18 goals from last years squad and not replaced them sufficiently.
Myzaine saved us from trouble last season, we need similar in January I fear.

[HarpOnHibee]

We don't score more goals, because we're too slow to get forward. We knock the ball around and give the opposition time to organize themselves. By the time we reach their backline, they're well settled to defend anything we try to throw at them. This results in lackluster chances and a low goal return for the number of chances we have. We need to get at them quicker, not giving them enough time to regroup.

We have the players to do it, but the shift in our playing style needs to be implemented.

[cabbageandribs1875]

give free agent stevie mallan the trial he's soon looking for from any club, though he admits he won't be fit enough to play until january

[Paul1642]

give free agent stevie mallan the trial he's soon looking for from any club, though he admits he won't be fit enough to play until january

Wasn’t good enough first time around IMO. Yes he was player of the year one season but so was Obita. We need better.

[wookie70]

I watched the highlights of the Dundee v Killie game. At each of the 3 Killie goals they had 5 or 6 attacking players in the box.

Freeze frame our chances on Saturday. Gray doesn't set up his teams to attack centrally. At most he has 2 each side of the box and 2 in the penalty area. Then a predictable cross or a cut inside.

The first thing our midfielders do is play the ball to the flanks. We simply do not attack the box in numbers. Chicken-hearted tactics.

Very different circumstances in that game. Killie had a man advantage and had to attack. Even then I'm not convinced they were wildly different in terms of numbers in the box to us.

I don't think numbers in the box is that big a problem. We tend to get two or three in there for a first cross. That seems similar to most teams. The big difference is we need 30 crosses to get one like Obita put in on Saturday that Myko should have scored with. So crossing is poor as is our finishing. I would agree with our tactics generally being to get ball in wide but both Triantis and Kwon are getting into the box and having frequent shots from central areas at the edge of the box.

We are simply not good enough to put away the same amount of opportunities our opponents do. We created more than Motherwell, same amount of shots v The Rangers, more shots on target from less attempts v Killie, more shots but less on target v Dundee and six more shots than St Mirren albeit one less on target. We seem to create plenty of opportunities but don't convert enough

[RIP]

Very different circumstances in that game. Killie had a man advantage and had to attack. Even then I'm not convinced they were wildly different in terms of numbers in the box to us.

I don't think numbers in the box is that big a problem. We tend to get two or three in there for a first cross. That seems similar to most teams. The big difference is we need 30 crosses to get one like Obita put in on Saturday that Myko should have scored with. So crossing is poor as is our finishing. I would agree with our tactics generally being to get ball in wide but both Triantis and Kwon are getting into the box and having frequent shots from central areas at the edge of the box.

We are simply not good enough to put away the same amount of opportunities our opponents do. We created more than Motherwell, same amount of shots v The Rangers, more shots on target from less attempts v Killie, more shots but less on target v Dundee and six more shots than St Mirren albeit one less on target. We seem to create plenty of opportunities but don't convert enough

At Aberdeen's 2 goals they had 5 and 7 in the box. 2 v 9 doesn't work.

You've nailed it. Johnson, Monty and Gray are all addicted to wing play. As you say, slow and predictable. Everything flowing to the flanks.

Little point changing the head coach only to retain the same formation and tactics. Play the ball through the centre, attack the box in numbers. Then we will see more goals.

[MWHIBBIES]

give free agent stevie mallan the trial he's soon looking for from any club, though he admits he won't be fit enough to play until january

Lord no.

[Lago]

We don't score more goals, because we're too slow to get forward. We knock the ball around and give the opposition time to organize themselves. By the time we reach their backline, they're well settled to defend anything we try to throw at them. This results in lackluster chances and a low goal return for the number of chances we have. We need to get at them quicker, not giving them enough time to regroup.

We have the players to do it, but the shift in our playing style needs to be implemented.
We play pedestrian football.

[Real Emerald]

We play pedestrian football.

Pedestrian, repetitive and predictable.

[Unseen work]

It’s the quality.

Cadden and Campbell taking up 2 of the 4 attacking positions is never going to results in much creativity or spark.

Bowie, Boyle and an interested Youan would make a huge difference.

Signing a ‘10’ has been a priority of mine for years

[Onion]

We are playing with a mindset not to get beat, even at 1-1 on Saturday we never played with initiative.

The problem is we can’t play on the counter against teams like Motherwell.

Motherwell showed more intent and deserved to win.

Didn't see it that way at all. Hibs dominated first half, could and should have been 2 up. Well scored with only 2 shots on goal. By then, we could have should have been 3 up. Hibs were profligate, not effective enough at set plays, and let Well off the hook. Easy to have more intent once we were down to 10.

[wookie70]

At Aberdeen's 2 goals they had 5 and 7 in the box. 2 v 9 doesn't work.

You've nailed it. Johnson, Monty and Gray are all addicted to wing play. As you say, slow and predictable. Everything flowing to the flanks.

Little point changing the head coach only to retain the same formation and tactics. Play the ball through the centre, attack the box in numbers. Then we will see more goals.

They scored 3 goals, I count 3, 5 and 5 in the box when they scored the goals. The second goal they ended up with 5 as the first shot was blocked which gave the scorer time to get in there. The last goal they definitely were flooding forward but I think they were going for a win run and also had the security of that extra man. All goals are different anyway and come from different types of possession and the ball moving at different speeds going forward. My biggest problem with our play is that it is too slow and arguably too safe. I think we get forward in decent numbers but by the time we get there the opponent's defense is all back and set. We already concede too many so throwing more bodies forward, most of who would hardly ever score may not improve matters

[CJHibby]

SAFE is the right word. I want us to be more maverick. A friend(Aberdeen fan) goes on about 1-0's but I'd prefer 3-2 or a 4-3 all day long. How about entertainment?? Let's batter teams...

[Donegal Hibby]

Didn't see it that way at all. Hibs dominated first half, could and should have been 2 up. Well scored with only 2 shots on goal. By then, we could have should have been 3 up. Hibs were profligate, not effective enough at set plays, and let Well off the hook. Easy to have more intent once we were down to 10.

:agree:

[andrew70]

Didn't see it that way at all. Hibs dominated first half, could and should have been 2 up. Well scored with only 2 shots on goal. By then, we could have should have been 3 up. Hibs were profligate, not effective enough at set plays, and let Well off the hook. Easy to have more intent once we were down to 10.

Could and Should have? Not really good enough, especially not when it’s repetitive.

Motherwell were by far the better team in the second half even before the sending off. Even at 1–1 we failed to cause any real harm to the Motherwell goal.

Could see what was unfolding a mile off. And it did.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Wasn’t good enough first time around IMO. Yes he was player of the year one season but so was Obita. We need better.


Lord no.


penalty-taking free-kick expert :agree: make it so






:)

[Donegal Hibby]

I would like to see us more clinical which is something Gray has mentioned though do wonder if things are as bad as the thread title of ‘ less than a goal a game ‘ suggests as 3 out of the 7 games we failed to score in , two of them was against the OF and the other 4 games we have scored 6 times… Not getting at the poster that started the thread though having played the OF twice surely has had a bearing on this .

[Viva_Palmeiras]

I would like to see us more clinical which is something Gray has mentioned though do wonder if things are as bad as the thread title of ‘ less than a goal a game title ‘ suggests as 3 out of the 7 games we failed to score in , two of them was against the OF and the other 4 games we have scored 6 times… Not getting at the poster that started the thread though having played the OF twice surely has had a bearing on this .

stats will be used as stats will be used.

Skovdahl was right.

[flash]

Wasn’t good enough first time around IMO. Yes he was player of the year one season but so was Obita. We need better.

Big fan of people managing to have a pop at two players at once particularly when one of them is completely random.

[CJHibby]

No excuse not scoring against the OF either Donegal. We should attack all teams and see where it takes us. Too much cautious build up-didn't somebody say in the last two seasons or so the players have been instructed not to shoot from outside the box?

[LaMotta]

penalty-taking free-kick expert :agree: make it so






:)

:agree: Straight swap for Newell :wink:

[HarpOnHibee]

Didn't see it that way at all. Hibs dominated first half, could and should have been 2 up. Well scored with only 2 shots on goal. By then, we could have should have been 3 up. Hibs were profligate, not effective enough at set plays, and let Well off the hook. Easy to have more intent once we were down to 10.

Being the better team doesn't seem to be working for us. Perhaps we should focus more on being the more effective team instead?

[Donegal Hibby]

No excuse not scoring against the OF either Donegal. We should attack all teams and see where it takes us. Too much cautious build up-didn't somebody say in the last two seasons or so the players have been instructed not to shoot from outside the box?

Certainly gave it a go at Ibrox IMO with both teams having 18 shots each CJH and while I admire your bravery I don’t think we can treat the OF like other teams , do that and they are likely to murder you like we were under LJ when we lost 6-0 in giving it a go . The OF don’t lose many goals tbh whatever approach you take against them IMO.

I think there was something mentioned about players being instructed not to shoot from outside the box on here , how true that was I don’t know though of the top of my head without looking into it I think Kwon has had two efforts and Myko a fantastic effort from something like the halfway line this season .. probably a couple of more I’d imagine too.

[Tambo]

Hibernian... Give us a goal.

[Donegal Hibby]

Hibernian... Give us a goal.

Classic Hibs song like them all ….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trA_22vXxcc

[Pretty Boy]

Stevie Mallan?:faf:

Guy could barely cover 10 yards of ground 5 years ago. I can't imagine age and a serious injury have improved that. He'd be like a Subbuteo man now.

If they change the rules so you can have something akin to an NFL placekicker then maybe.

[Tambo]

It’s the quality.

Cadden and Campbell taking up 2 of the 4 attacking positions is never going to results in much creativity or spark.

Bowie, Boyle and an interested Youan would make a huge difference.

Signing a ‘10’ has been a priority of mine for years

And mine, Johnson should have upgraded on Jeggo and Campbell at the time.

[flash]

And mine, Johnson should have upgraded on Jeggo and Campbell at the time.

It's not a hill I would die on but would like to see Levitt given a chance with 2 of Newell, Kwon and Triantis behind him.

[CJHibby]

Regardless of personnel, we need to attack more (and effectively as a poster said). We often invite our failures by stop attacking or fear of losing. I recount many times in the past v Hearts losing focus and momentum in doing this where we should have tucked them away quite easily.