Myko

[random sub]

Thoughts? For me I think he has good qualities but I don’t think he will score enough goals- just not a natural

[Real Emerald]

Thoughts? For me I think he has good qualities but I don’t think he will score enough goals- just not a natural

Maybe if he was played up front along with another striker at home v Motherwell it would have been more productive. Can’t understand the reluctance to play with 2 strikers. Soul destroying watching football these days.

[Unseen work]

Very unlucky not to score and get an assist today.

One of his headers came off the goalies face and the other was cleared off his line

Great play to set up Cadden who needs to score

[JohnM1875]

Very unlucky not to score and get an assist today.

One of his headers came off the goalies face and the other was cleared off his line

Great play to set up Cadden who needs to score

Slaughtered Myko on another thread and after reading this you're probably spot on, if that's Boyle he plays through it's 1-0

[B.H.F.C]

Maybe if he was played up front along with another striker at home v Motherwell it would have been more productive. Can’t understand the reluctance to play with 2 strikers. Soul destroying watching football these days.

I thought Gayle should have been on for Campbell. We should have shown some intent and went to try and win the game rather than sit and wait for the inevitable to happen.

That said, Myko needs to do more. That’s another big chance he missed today.

[Donegal Hibby]

Unlucky not to score and get an assist today , works his socks off and IMO a quality player who will score us goals .

[HibeeMackenzie]

Feel for the boy he’s clearly not a lone striker. Switch to 352 with him and Gayle up front and hoilett behind them for me

[hfcok]

He’s defo not a lone striker, give the boy a hand up front.

[Real Emerald]

I thought Gayle should have been on for Campbell. We should have shown some intent and went to try and win the game rather than sit and wait for the inevitable to happen.

That said, Myko needs to do more. That’s another big chance he missed today.

100% agree, why did Myko need to come off at that point. Campbell or Cadden could have been replaced to give us 2 strikers, every attack was slow, predictable and repetitive. Why not change it and give it a go with 2 strikers, the goal we got was from a direct run and shot yet we seem to always want to slowly recycle the ball out wide and cross into a box once all their defenders are back in shape. Soul destroying football.

[Unseen work]

Feel for the boy he’s clearly not a lone striker. Switch to 352 with him and Gayle up front and hoilett behind them for me

Wouldn’t surprise me if we did do this and brought in Iredale

…………………..Bursik……….

…..O’Hora….Ekpiteta…Iredale….

Miller…….Kwon…….Newell…..Obita…..

…………………..Hoilett……..

…………….Myk…….Gayle…….

Potentially Cadden for Miller.

As think SDG might try something different. For me I’d have a fit Youan and motivated playing instead of Gayle as he would offer pace in behind

[hfc-1875]

I’d like to see Gayle playing off him and Campbell dropping out. That being said he should have had a goal today, regardless of how good the save was u can’t miss that header from point blank range

[Paulie Walnuts]

Average. No more, no less.

[B.H.F.C]

100% agree, why did Myko need to come off at that point. Campbell or Cadden could have been replaced to give us 2 strikers, every attack was slow, predictable and repetitive. Why not change it and give it a go with 2 strikers, the goal we got was from a direct run and shot yet we seem to always want to slowly recycle the ball out wide and cross into a box one all their defenders are back in shape. Soul destroying football.

We were talking about it at the game, but Campbell was pretty much playing as a second striker anyway. We wouldn’t have lost anything in the middle of the park having Gayle on for him. I thought the subs we made were terrible today.

[H18 SFR]

He’s going to suffer the same way Vente did. Never a lone striker and the team isn’t set up to create chances for him. He’s more likely to get an assist than a goal.

[MWHIBBIES]

Perfectly good lone striker when I've seen him.

[Real Emerald]

We were talking about it at the game, but Campbell was pretty much playing as a second striker anyway. We wouldn’t have lost anything in the middle of the park having Gayle on for him. I thought the subs we made were terrible today.

We all said the same too, it was subs for subs sake but made no sense in trying to improve or change the course of the game (except making things worse). Worrying

[B.H.F.C]

He’s going to suffer the same way Vente did. Never a lone striker and the team isn’t set up to create chances for him. He’s more likely to get an assist than a goal.

These days, if you’re no capable of playing up on your own, you’re just no very good. I think he can do it but I don’t think he’s doing enough at the moment. He’s missed big chances two weeks on the trot which he needs to put away. That’s the biggest issue I have with him just now.

[Tyler Durden]

We were talking about it at the game, but Campbell was pretty much playing as a second striker anyway. We wouldn’t have lost anything in the middle of the park having Gayle on for him. I thought the subs we made were terrible today.

Agreed. Campbell was doing nothing defensively that Gayle or even Youan couldn’t have matched.

Campbell is also really uncomfortable getting the ball in tight spaces with his back to goal, which a natural attacker is used to doing.

In the games that Campbell has played in this role, there is no interplay with Myko either. Just a really poor decision by Gray today to keep same starting 11.

[B.H.F.C]

Agreed. Campbell was doing nothing defensively that Gayle or even Youan couldn’t have matched.

Campbell is also really uncomfortable getting the ball in tight spaces with his back to goal, which a natural attacker is used to doing.

In the games that Campbell has played in this role, there is no interplay with Myko either. Just a really poor decision by Gray today to keep same starting 11.

Campbell does a job in that position in games like last week when you don’t have the ball and he’s just there to stop the other team playing.

He had a spell in the first half where he had the ball in good positions 3 times. First he passed the ball right to their centre half, secondly he tried to hit a shot but totally scuffed it and thirdly he fell over. No centre forward is going to get any kind of service from him.

[JohnM1875]

Campbell does a job in that position in games like last week when you don’t have the ball and he’s just there to stop the other team playing.

He had a spell in the first half where he had the ball in good positions 3 times. First he passed the ball right to their centre half, secondly he tried to hit a shot but totally scuffed it and thirdly he fell over. No centre forward is going to get any kind of service from him.

Agree. We need to be so much more than playing a player because he has energy.

Our aim, as unrealistic is it might sound to some right now, is to be best of the rest. That'll never ever happen if Campbell is stating games for us. He's nowhere near good enough at football.

[Alfred E Newman]

I was surprised he was taken off when he was. I thought Gayle would maybe come on and play beside him for the last 20 mins as we tried to win the game . Gayle played as the lone striker looked what he is, an ageing star whose best days are long gone. .

[J-C]

If Myko is not suited to be a lone striker, why then did we go after him as our preferred way of playing is 433/4231, biggest problem I see is with Bowie injured and Boyle out for a few weeks and now Cadden out, we have only Hoilett there to provide anything of quality into the box, we have zero depth in the squad for these eventualities, Myko's career isn't exactly prolific 10 goals in 67 games, we allowed a good striker to back to Netherlands where he's scoring goals.

[B.H.F.C]

I was surprised he was taken off when he was. I thought Gayle would maybe come on and play beside him for the last 20 mins as we tried to win the game . Gayle played as the lone striker looked what he is, an ageing star whose best days are long gone. .

The subs (and lack off) were my biggest criticism yesterday. Gray never tried to be pro active and change things to get after the game. I thought it should have been done at half time. Motherwell had posed no threat at all but we never tried to seize the opportunity. If not at half time then we should have certainly tried to do so after the equaliser. All far too safe for me.

[Tambo]

I think he's been more good than bad so far, the past few games especially we have struggled to get bodies around him though.

Kwon Triantis is good on paper for the defence, weakness our attack imo.

[InvertedFullBak]

Playing up top on your own with no help is a thankless task. Only when Rudi came on did we get any support to him.

[B.H.F.C]

Playing up top on your own with no help is a thankless task. Only when Rudi came on did we get any support to him.

Thought Rudi made very little impact. Goal aside, the best chances were before that; one where Myko should have scored and the other where he did well himself to play Cadden in.

I think Myko needs to do more, but it’s mainly the final bit.

[InvertedFullBak]

Thought Rudi made very little impact. Goal aside, the best chances were before that; one where Myko should have scored and the other where he did well himself to play Cadden in.

I think Myko needs to do more, but it’s mainly the final bit.

Yes I agree that he did make very little impact when he came on. He tried to inject some pace into the play but to no avail.

Need to get someone from the centre breaking forward to help Myko. Once Gayle is up to speed he could be a shout to play off him.

[Centre Hawf]

He’s defo not a lone striker, give the boy a hand up front.

I mean this with no disrespect to you but I’ve heard this excuse for the last 3/4 starting Hibs strikers. We either need to stop signing these guys or be better at getting them into the game.

Any modern striker that has made it to this level should be capable of being a lone striker.

[GreenCastle]

Wanting to see Gayle and Myko together.

Think it could work.

[Hibees1973]

Relieved we haven't paid a fee for Myko and he is a loan. Myko isn't going to score many goals and will not be anywhere near penalties.

Bowie will be the first choice centre forward. However, Bowie's fitness/injury has not been well managed which is why he is out until January. I suspect we won't see the best of Bowie until next season.

At centre forward we will struggle for goals throughout the season.

[Jones28]

How many goals has he scored for us?

[Paulie Walnuts]

How many goals has he scored for us?

2 in 8 this time round. 1 in 7 in the league.

Over his 2 spells here he has 7 in 23.

[JohnM1875]

I'm hoping its just a lack of football since being here last time and he’ll come good. That's more in hope than anything else though.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Bursic

*Miller Marv O’Hora **Obita

Triantis Kwon

Boyle Newell Hoilett

***Myko

I’d say that is currently our strongest team and should give a good balance of defence and attack.

*Cadden could be played, Miller is too casual at times and looks for fouls when he should just focus on his job

**Obita has not been great this season and I’d like to see Iredale, although feel he will be no better

***The lone striker is not necessarily Myko’s strength but if he had Boyle and Hoilett supporting more then he should be fine. Gayle could be decent here. Be good to have Bowie back.

[Jones28]

2 in 8 this time round. 1 in 7 in the league.

Over his 2 spells here he has 7 in 23.

Thank.

Pretty rotten return for our main striker.

[JimBHibees]

How many goals has he scored for us?

Thought he was very unlucky on Saturday with double chance also brilliant run to set up Cadden

[Smartie]

Leigh Griffiths is possibly the only player I've seen play for Hibs who could do justice to being a lone striker in this team - because he had an ability to create chances for himself out of nothing.

Every single other striker - including some bloody good ones - would toil playing that role in this team.

Myko does it just about as well as anyone tbh.

I hate 433 / 451 tbh. I'd go as far as to say my dwindling interest in football has coincided with it's increase in popularity. I don't think Hibs have ever really done justice to it and our decline in recent years has almost coincided with various managers from Heckingbottom on trying to make it work with players not up to playing it.

[GreenCastle]

Thought he was very unlucky on Saturday with double chance also brilliant run to set up Cadden

If that was Boyle on end of it would have been a goal.

[Jones28]

Thought he was very unlucky on Saturday with double chance also brilliant run to set up Cadden

Maybe so. Vente got a pile on for similar levels of bad luck last season.

How the **** did we start the season with a striker who just couldn’t hit the back of the net for us, and still be in that position?

Crazy. I wasn’t for signing Nisbet on loan but man what I would give for someone who can ****ing score goals.

[sauzeelegod]

Feel for the boy he’s clearly not a lone striker. Switch to 352 with him and Gayle up front and hoilett behind them for me

Id love to see a 442 diamond with Hoilett in the 10 just roaming wherever he wants.

[Smartie]

Id love to see a 442 diamond with Hoilett in the 10 just roaming wherever he wants.

Stubbs' team during his first season huffed and puffed in a 451 for a few months... then when he went to the diamond we started to get the best out of the likes of Malonga and Scott Allan and our performances picked up big time.

Might have a similar effect this time?

Would certainly have been a decent shout for Saturday, when without Boyle we look like we're going to have "suboptimal" wide players and 10 for a 451.

[B.H.F.C]

Maybe so. Vente got a pile on for similar levels of bad luck last season.

How the **** did we start the season with a striker who just couldn’t hit the back of the net for us, and still be in that position?

Crazy. I wasn’t for signing Nisbet on loan but man what I would give for someone who can ****ing score goals.

Big difference between Myko and the Vente we saw for much of last season, for me, is that Myko is getting in to positions where he should be scoring. I know that’s not much good if he doesn’t put the ball in the net but if he keeps getting in there goals will come. Should have scored at the weekend, should have scored at Ibrox with the penalty but even at that, it was him who had the initial effort blocked by Souttar so again he was in there. Should have had more than one against St Johnstone as well.

I actually write the above as someone who was quite critical of him at the weekend and I think he needs to do more. He’s one I look at and think there is a good chance he will do more though, whereas there are others that we are wasting our time with.

[J-C]

4231/433 work perfectly well with the correct players, a striker and 2 wide forwards is fine but we don't have a creative 10 to supply these 3 players, we chucked all our eggs after McCowan and had no back up plan, poor.

[ChuckNor]

I think it is very harsh to be criticizing Myko. An exceptional save from the Motherwell keeper and a very good clearance on the line stop him from bagging at least one goal. He put Cadden's chance on a plate for him as well. That should've been an assist.

Let's criticize where it is clearly due. Myko is creating chances for himself and others. I am confident the goals will come.

[JimBHibees]

I think it is very harsh to be criticizing Myko. An exceptional save from the Motherwell keeper and a very good clearance on the line stop him from bagging at least one goal. He put Cadden's chance on a plate for him as well. That should've been an assist.

Let's criticize where it is clearly due. Myko is creating chances for himself and others. I am confident the goals will come.

So am I decent technical and physical player needs good players playing off him. When he was last with us very unlucky with two goals ruled out

[JimBHibees]

Maybe so. Vente got a pile on for similar levels of bad luck last season.

How the **** did we start the season with a striker who just couldn’t hit the back of the net for us, and still be in that position?

Crazy. I wasn’t for signing Nisbet on loan but man what I would give for someone who can ****ing score goals.

He can score goals and imo way better than Vente

[Jones28]

He can score goals and imo way better than Vente

So can Vente, in fact he is at the moment. 3 in 6 in a better league? Myko is what, 1 in 6?

[Paulie Walnuts]

So can Vente, in fact he is at the moment. 3 in 6 in a better league? Myko is what, 1 in 6?

Ventes output at Hibs has been significantly higher than Mykos over his 2 spells.

[easty]

He can score goals and imo way better than Vente

He’s scored 1 in 7 SPL games while Vente has 3 in 7 games at a higher level.

[Donegal Hibby]

He can score goals and imo way better than Vente

Myko has more of a physical presence and in general a much better all around striker than Vente.

[JohnM1875]

Myko has more of a physical presence and in general a much better all around striker than Vente.

Think Myko is more suited to the Scottish game but think Vente is definitely a better striker, better finisher.

[Donegal Hibby]

Think Myko is more suited to the Scottish game but think Vente is definitely a better striker, better finisher.

I always had Vente down as poacher and in general the type of striker he is you’d expect to probably score more than Myko who for me is a better all round striker with a physical presence that does suit the Scottish game..

After the bright start Vente had something went badly wrong for him and us in he looked a shadow of the player we first got , wither confidence , homesickness or just not suited to our league , who knows .. though chances missed in games like the Kelty one showed there was some sort of problem..

I think Myko is unfortunate not to have a couple of more goals and an assist or two and I think he offers a lot more than Vente basing that on how he was playing earlier in the season for us which might be unfair but that’s all we have to go on .

[B.H.F.C]

Ventes output at Hibs has been significantly higher than Mykos over his 2 spells.

Depends how you measure that.

Getting Myko on the park was the biggest issue first time round. Over his two spells, he has a total of 7 goals and 1 assist in 1,392 minutes. Goal or assist every 174 minutes.

Vente got 11 goals and 5 assists in 2828 minutes between last season and start of this. Goal or assist every 176 minutes.

So pretty much nothing in it but, fitness permitting, I think Myko will improve as the season goes on.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Depends how you measure that.

Getting Myko on the park was the biggest issue first time round. Over his two spells, he has a total of 7 goals and 1 assist in 1,392 minutes. Goal or assist every 174 minutes.

Vente got 11 goals and 5 assists in 2828 minutes between last season and start of this. Goal or assist every 176 minutes.

So pretty much nothing in it but, fitness permitting, I think Myko will improve as the season goes on.

That’s fair. I hadn’t looked at the minutes.

I’m not personally convinced by Myko to be honest so hopefully there is an improvement. Wasn’t fussed for him coming back (but not completely against it either) and I haven’t seen anything to change that.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Think Myko is more suited to the Scottish game but think Vente is definitely a better striker, better finisher.

Absolutely. Vente will go on to have a better career than Myko.

[B.H.F.C]

That’s fair. I hadn’t looked at the minutes.

I’m not personally convinced by Myko to be honest so hopefully there is an improvement. Wasn’t fussed for him coming back (but not completely against it either) and I haven’t seen anything to change that.

I just think there is a decent level of improvement in Myko. I think he needs to do a lot more but if he keeps getting in to the positions he has been, the goals will come. I’m pretty confident he’ll get a decent amount over the season.

Whether it’s him or Vente it’s a tough shift with the lack of creativity behind them. You’ll get the occasional really good ball in (like the one from Obita on Saturday) but they don’t have much to go at.

[easty]

I just think there is a decent level of improvement in Myko. I think he needs to do a lot more but if he keeps getting in to the positions he has been, the goals will come. I’m pretty confident he’ll get a decent amount over the season.

Whether it’s him or Vente it’s a tough shift with the lack of creativity behind them. You’ll get the occasional really good ball in (like the one from Obita on Saturday) but they don’t have much to go at.

The lack of creativity point is the most important one.

McCowan was targeted because he could make things happen from the middle. We needed someone like that badly. We should’ve had a list of players for that role. Instead we got some bollocks about him being the only option

[B.H.F.C]

The lack of creativity point is the most important one.

McCowan was targeted because he could make things happen from the middle. We needed someone like that badly. We should’ve had a list of players for that role. Instead we got some bollocks about him being the only option

Absolute madness the way we went about that.

[TheHibernator]

Outside his first 5 or so games, Vente was as bad as a man down. Needed clear cut chances under no pressure to be a threat and even then he was missing sitters regularly, no athleticism, couldn’t hold the ball up and even struggled to control it a lot of the time.

Myko is far better suited to the style of football in the league. Chances aren’t going to come thick and fast however, when we’re playing 5 defenders, 2 defensive midfielders and Josh Campbell at home to Motherwell

[JimBHibees]

Outside his first 5 or so games, Vente was as bad as a man down. Needed clear cut chances under no pressure to be a threat and even then he was missing sitters regularly, no athleticism, couldn’t hold the ball up and even struggled to control it a lot of the time.

Myko is far better suited to the style of football in the league. Chances aren’t going to come thick and fast however, when we’re playing 5 defenders, 2 defensive midfielders and Josh Campbell at home to Motherwell

Agreed re Myko

[Paulie Walnuts]

So far on this thread we’ve got ‘Vente wasn’t even getting chances’ and we’ve got ‘Vente was missing sitters regularly’. You’ve got to love Hibs.net :greengrin

[Unseen work]

So far on this thread we’ve got ‘Vente wasn’t even getting chances’ and we’ve got ‘Vente was missing sitters regularly’. You’ve got to love Hibs.net :greengrin

In fairness I would say both are accurate.

Last season I couldn’t tell you if Vente is a good finisher. He rarely had a shot at goal and never seemed to get on the end of anything

This season he started well and then couldn’t score from a yard out

I think Myko will get a lot more chances and create a lot more for himself, Vente seemed like the others had to get it in the perfect position for him to score

[Smartie]

Outside his first 5 or so games, Vente was as bad as a man down. Needed clear cut chances under no pressure to be a threat and even then he was missing sitters regularly, no athleticism, couldn’t hold the ball up and even struggled to control it a lot of the time.

Myko is far better suited to the style of football in the league. Chances aren’t going to come thick and fast however, when we’re playing 5 defenders, 2 defensive midfielders and Josh Campbell at home to Motherwell

Sums it up pretty well, unfortunately.

[Stokesy's on fire]

We missed out on simon Murray that's who needed a striker who gets it

[MWHIBBIES]

We missed out on simon Murray that's who needed a striker who gets it

We really didn't miss out. He's not very good.

[Bridge hibs]

We missed out on simon Murray that's who needed a striker who gets it

The same Simon Murray who has scored 2 league goals to Mykos 1 league goal ?

[Jones28]

We missed out on simon Murray that's who needed a striker who gets it

He gets hard work, but his goal-scoring record is not great at all this season.

[J-C]

We missed out on simon Murray that's who needed a striker who gets it

The same Simon Murray who was never coming here in the 1st place because he wanted to be near his family up north.

[Stokesy's on fire]

The same Simon Murray who was never coming here in the 1st place because he wanted to be near his family up north.

We will never know now. I would like to thank we would be beating dundee to any player regardless of where he wanted to live.

[easty]

We will never know now. I would like to thank we would be beating dundee to any player regardless of where he wanted to live.

Didn’t he want a 3 year deal, and Dundee gave him it?

[The Modfather]

Putting the penalty aside (which was a pen and just laziness by Myko). Why did Gray want him back? What does he offer as our main forward?

[SaulGoodman]

He’s pish. Gives us nothing up front.

[Paul1642]

Putting the penalty aside (which was a pen and just laziness by Myko). Why did Gray want him back? What does he offer as our main forward?

The majority on here, myself included were also delighted to have him back. To say he’s been disappointing would be a massive understatement.

[Jones28]

Putting the penalty aside (which was a pen and just laziness by Myko). Why did Gray want him back? What does he offer as our main forward?

Zero.

Bullied, one paced, not particularly cute or clever with the ball. Vente is a better option.

And has now missed a penalty and given one away.

[Centre Hawf]

The majority on here, myself included were also delighted to have him back. To say he’s been disappointing would be a massive understatement.

I was happy to see him back as well, I didn't however think we'd be in the middle of November with him as our only option. He's been ***** since he came back and other than Gayle who isn't fit and 35 years old we have to play him.

Reckon we'll see Elie get the nod through the middle now in his absence and I pray he takes the opportunity.

[Heisenberg]

Offers nothing more than Vente.

[MWHIBBIES]

Offers nothing more than Vente.

Offers miles more.

Much more involved, wins headers, presses, holds it up. A good player.

[SaulGoodman]

Offers miles more.

Such as?

[Cabbage-Patch]

All I see is a big target man who can't finish. In saying that I feel he would benefit a lot more from having another striker playing alongside him. We are crying out for a change in shape

[blackpoolhibs]

An average overpriced forward who scores the odd goal now and again.

[Gmack7]

He's been a major dissapointment since he came back, but who plays upfront next week if Gayle is still injured? Surely not McKirdy

[SaulGoodman]

He's been a major dissapointment since he came back, but who plays upfront next week if Gayle is still injured? Surely not McKirdy

Youan probably

[Centre Hawf]

All I see is a big target man who can't finish. In saying that I feel he would benefit a lot more from having another striker playing alongside him. We are crying out for a change in shape

If a striker in this era can’t play up top on his own he’s not a good striker.

[Gmack7]

Youan probably

Hopefully I was surprised he never started today

[B.H.F.C]

Not giving us enough. Thought he did all right in the game but not enough threat which is what you need from a striker.

[Smartie]

I thought his first yellow was very soft, yet to see his second - but if, as has been suggested it was a deserved foul and second yellow, he’s let his manager down big time.

There was so much that was better about today - almost everything apart from the middle of the attack.

I like him and like what he brings for us but he wasn’t great today and wasn’t great on Wednesday.

The 451 doesn’t bring the best out of him whereas I thought every other player did quite well today.

I’d be wanting a new striker before I’d be wanting a new manager, put it that way.

[Hibees1973]

His jersey pull at the end of the game reflects the panic and poor decision making which has infected the whole squad.

It was his turn today. He joins not a very illustrious list of players who have all cost us points in the last 15 minutes of games so far this season, which has left Gray's position hanging by a thread. To my mind Bursik, Expiteta, O'Hora, Obita, Miller, Triantis, Newell and now Myko have all cost us points. It's likely I have missed out a couple of clowns as it is difficult to remember all the foolish mistakes our players have made late on in games.

Myko is a poor centre forward. Contributes very little and as our main striker I will be surprised if he contributes any more than 8 goals this season.

[EGL2000]

I like myko and think he's a good player. However he was pish today.

[1875M]

Would be better with a strike partner up beside him. He can’t play as a lone striker.

[MWHIBBIES]

Would be better with a strike partner up beside him. He can’t play as a lone striker.

He can and has.

[easty]

Myko is a good player playing poorly in a poorly managed team.

[1875M]

He can and has.

Can he, aye? Remind me, how many goals has he scored this season playing up top himself?

[Hiber-nation]

Didn't want him back in the first place. Overrated. He's an average striker, not particularly great at anything.

Looking forward to see how Youan plays in his place on Saturday (I assume).

[K-Zazu]

He’s pretty average. Didn’t get a look in at Swansea for about a year.

[Hillsidehibby]

Rubbish the last time and rubbish this time.

[Heisenberg]

Offers miles more.

Much more involved, wins headers, presses, holds it up. A good player.

A striker doing all that yet we are still wholly ineffective going forward and have the lowest goals scored in the league? He does some of those things at times but never consistently or to any great degree of success for me.

[1875M]

Offers miles more.

Much more involved, wins headers, presses, holds it up. A good player.

Does everything but score apparently. Great striker then.

[CapitalGreen]

Offers miles more.

Much more involved, wins headers, presses, holds it up. A good player.

Sounds brilliant, hope we start playing him.

[MWHIBBIES]

Can he, aye? Remind me, how many goals has he scored this season playing up top himself?

3. Which I guess is more than anyone else since he arrived.

You think him not scoring a goal a game means he can't play lone striker?.

[J-C]

Surprised we wanted him back, bang average player who in 5 years as a pro has played just 67 games and scored only 10 goals, we needed a proven goalscorer and we got him.

[The Modfather]

3. Which I guess is more than anyone else since he arrived.

You think him not scoring a goal a game means he can't play lone striker?.

He’s got 2 goals and 0 assists from 10 games, 667 minutes, in the league this season. A goal contribution (to use modern parlance) every 333 minutes is probably a big factor in why we are bottom of the league, lowest scorers and why he’s not showing that he’s suitable to play on his own.

[Groathillgrump]

Offers miles more.

Much more involved, wins headers, presses, holds it up. A good player.


Does he ever do all those things in the same game?

He's hopeless.

[MWHIBBIES]

Surprised we wanted him back, bang average player who in t years as a pro has played just 67 games and scored only 10 goals, we needed a proven goalscorer and we got him.

I mean, we clearly signed Bowie to be our star forward.

Myko is a good player. Newell must've done well today because we're after someone else tonight.

[MWHIBBIES]

Does he ever do all those things in the same game?

He's hopeless.

Done all of them today.

[Wull]

His sending off could be a blessing in disguise Gray is now forced to improvise, can’t be worse than the performances Myko has served up.

[Hiber-nation]

Done all of them today.

One nice bit of skill in the first half to win a foul. Other than that very little of note. He just doesn't do enough of anything. No idea what you were seeing today, almost everyone on here, the folk I was with and everyone sitting near said the same thing, he's not good enough.

[Chorley Hibee]

Surprised we wanted him back, bang average player who in 5 years as a pro has played just 67 games and scored only 10 goals, we needed a proven goalscorer and we got him.

Bone idle, lazy recruitment that shows up the chancers running this club for what they are.

Add the return of Triantis to that list too.

[wookie70]

I can't say I was that bothered with him first time round but he has been poor on his return. We desperately need more options through the middle

[GreenCastle]

Needs a strike partner - limited service

Limited support from a number 10.

Least of our worries just now.

Bigger picture our striker recruitment was poor - 2 injury prone players - possibly 3.

[Springbank]

Such as?

He scored from 1 yard v Hearts

Vente missed from closer vs St Mirren & Kelty Fxxxing Hearts

Myko the far better option

[JohnM1875]

He's an awful footballer. Like, at actually playing football he's bad.

[Centre Hawf]

I thought in his last loan spell while his injury record was poor he did return fairly well when on the field, even if he didn't score he had loads chopped off for offside or fouls in the build up with VAR kicking in, and off the top of my head I remember most/all of them being someone like Boyle/Cadden being offside in the build up before crossing the ball to him. In my mind I thought 'if we can tighten up the service he could score a barrel load'.

At the moment he doesn't really contribute anything.

[Coco Bryce]

You can see why he never got a game for Swansea.

[JohnM1875]

You can see why he never got a game for Swansea.

Mental he even got a move to Swansea.

[Callum_62]

He's giving us very little at the moment

Needs to improve massively

Seeing the highlights why did he jump up when he closed down the goalie??

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[Unseen work]

Johnson got a tune out of him.

His goalscoring record was good and he was very unlucky with offside goals.

He needs competition for his position and better service

He’s not showing it massively at the moment, but I think he’s a good player

[Lancs Harp]

Johnson got a tune out of him.

His goalscoring record was good and he was very unlucky with offside goals.

He needs competition for his position and better service

He’s not showing it massively at the moment, but I think he’s a good player

Just out of interest what do you see in him to think he's a good player? Disappointed me first time around, disappointing me again. Just a crap Grant Holt. We need much much better.

[21May16]

Everyone thought he was zlatan but for injuries. Guys no very good.

[21May16]

Johnson got a tune out of him.

His goalscoring record was good and he was very unlucky with offside goals.

He needs competition for his position and better service

He’s not showing it massively at the moment, but I think he’s a good player

Any chance of getting Johnson back to find out?

[1875M]

3. Which I guess is more than anyone else since he arrived.

You think him not scoring a goal a game means he can't play lone striker?.

I can’t believe you’re actually defending a guy who’s got 2 goals in 667 minutes of football. It’s not as if he’s having great games and not scoring , that would be fine. He contributes very little and is not good enough to be a Hibs striker if we’re aiming for at the very least, top 6. At this rate, he’ll have 6 goals all season. That ok with you? But it’s fine cos he’s running about.

[CapitalGreen]

I can’t believe you’re actually defending a guy who’s got 2 goals in 667 minutes of football. It’s not as if he’s having great games and not scoring , that would be fine. He contributes very little and is not good enough to be a Hibs striker if we’re aiming for at the very least, top 6. At this rate, he’ll have 6 goals all season. That ok with you? But it’s fine cos he’s running about.

Created a goal yesterday tbf, just wasn’t for us.

[Bostonhibby]

Never a lone striker and on recent performances not much of an actual striker.

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[Paulie Walnuts]

You can see why he never got a game for Swansea.

:agree:

Some folk were insistent he was an excellent signing simply on the basis that he was signed to them. Likewise with Triantis and the fact he had a contract with Sunderland

Myko has been really poor since coming back, Triantis has been distinctly average at best. Where they came from doesn’t matter a ****, being a squad player (and that’s being generous to both) at bang average English Championship teams doesn’t mean you’re going to be better than what’s up here.

[MWHIBBIES]

I can’t believe you’re actually defending a guy who’s got 2 goals in 667 minutes of football. It’s not as if he’s having great games and not scoring , that would be fine. He contributes very little and is not good enough to be a Hibs striker if we’re aiming for at the very least, top 6. At this rate, he’ll have 6 goals all season. That ok with you? But it’s fine cos he’s running about.

He's got 3 goals, including against Celtic and Hearts. Hell have 12/13 goals if he continues at this rate. Not great, but not awful.

He does contribute to general play quite well. Fights for every header, works hard, presses well, holds it up. What are you expecting him to do? Best 3 players and smash it top corner?

He's the only striker we've got fit, so he'll continue to play. And we're not aiming for top 6. We're aiming to avoid relegation.

[JohnM1875]

He's got 3 goals, including against Celtic and Hearts. Hell have 12/13 goals if he continues at this rate. Not great, but not awful.

He does contribute to general play quite well. Fights for every header, works hard, presses well, holds it up. What are you expecting him to do? Best 3 players and smash it top corner?

He's the only striker we've got fit, so he'll continue to play. And we're not aiming for top 6. We're aiming to avoid relegation.

I think he's awful at challenging for headers as he barely wins any, really bad at holding it up and his first touch is poor. And I was one buzzing that he was coming back.

Doesn't get many, if any, clear cut chances a game though, so not really blaming just him for his lack of goals to date.

[superfurryhibby]

He's got 3 goals, including against Celtic and Hearts. Hell have 12/13 goals if he continues at this rate. Not great, but not awful.

He does contribute to general play quite well. Fights for every header, works hard, presses well, holds it up. What are you expecting him to do? Best 3 players and smash it top corner?

He's the only striker we've got fit, so he'll continue to play. And we're not aiming for top 6. We're aiming to avoid relegation.

I don't see much of what you say. The ball often bounces off him, he doesn't win that many headers, takes a shan penalty, can't defend when asked to and lacks pace.

[CapitalGreen]

:agree:

Some folk were insistent he was an excellent signing simply on the basis that he was signed to them. Likewise with Triantis and the fact he had a contract with Sunderland

Myko has been really poor since coming back, Triantis has been distinctly average at best. Where they came from doesn’t matter a ****, being a squad player (and that’s being generous to both) at bang average English Championship teams doesn’t mean you’re going to be better than what’s up here.

Triantis has been a very good signing, the turnaround in our defensive record since he came in has been remarkable. Since Triantis made his debut, only Celtic concede less regularly than we do when it’s 11 v 11.

[1875M]

He's got 3 goals, including against Celtic and Hearts. Hell have 12/13 goals if he continues at this rate. Not great, but not awful.

He does contribute to general play quite well. Fights for every header, works hard, presses well, holds it up. What are you expecting him to do? Best 3 players and smash it top corner?

He's the only striker we've got fit, so he'll continue to play. And we're not aiming for top 6. We're aiming to avoid relegation.

He’s scored 2 league goals in 10 games. 38 games, let’s be nice and round it up to 40. That’s on average, he’ll score 8 goals this season. Eight. I’m aware we’re avoiding relegation, partly because we have a striker who can’t score! He’s an average striker at best and there’s a reason he didn’t get a game for Swansea and clubs weren’t queuing to sign him up.

Pull a fan from the crowd and they’ll, as you say ‘work hard and fight for every header’. His main job is to score goals. He’s not doing that at the moment.

[MWHIBBIES]

He’s scored 2 league goals in 10 games. 38 games, let’s be nice and round it up to 40. That’s on average, he’ll score 8 goals this season. Eight. I’m aware we’re avoiding relegation, partly because we have a striker who can’t score! He’s an average striker at best and there’s a reason he didn’t get a game for Swansea and clubs weren’t queuing to sign him up.

Pull a fan from the crowd and they’ll, as you say ‘work hard and fight for every header’. His main job is to score goals. He’s not doing that at the moment.

That's his main job in your opinion. It's a bit of a basic outlook on the modern striker, especially one playing up front alone. There is far more to it.

Id love him to score more, but I'd love everyone to score more. It's not just his fault.

[Bobby's Cinema]

His movement yesterday was a bit worrying. A couple of times we got it wide and it was fairly obvious he had to get across his man at the front post, we flashed it across and he was on his heels.

I do think we need to try and link with him through the middle far more.

Simply working the ball wide and hoisting it in is not working for us. It wouldn't kill us to try and nip a pass round the corner into his feet. I thought towards the end of the first half we looked threatening when we started linking through the middle on the edge of the box we just never seem to do it. He becomes isolated.

I think he can be better. But I think any striker would struggle in this team.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Triantis has been a very good signing, the turnaround in our defensive record since he came in has been remarkable. Since Triantis made his debut, only Celtic concede less regularly than we do when it’s 11 v 11.

Na, not for me. Blowing hot and cold, overall about average. He’s certainly not been a very good signing imo. Not one of our summer signings can lay claim to that.

[JohnM1875]

That's his main job in your opinion. It's a bit of a basic outlook on the modern striker, especially one playing up front alone. There is far more to it.

Id love him to score more, but I'd love everyone to score more. It's not just his fault.

Come on, a strikers main job will and always has been scoring goals. Nothing to do with being a 'modern striker'. It's literally why they're in the team. If not just play a creative midfielder up top.

[tamig]

He's got 3 goals, including against Celtic and Hearts. Hell have 12/13 goals if he continues at this rate. Not great, but not awful.

He does contribute to general play quite well. Fights for every header, works hard, presses well, holds it up. What are you expecting him to do? Best 3 players and smash it top corner?

He's the only striker we've got fit, so he'll continue to play. And we're not aiming for top 6. We're aiming to avoid relegation.
I have no idea what you’re watching. I was a big fan of Myko first time around. This time he looks like and is playing like a player devoid of any confidence. He’s shown next to nothing of the stuff you’ve posted on this thread. Do you just construct your posts using AI without actually watching Hibs?

[Smartie]

Na, not for me. Blowing hot and cold, overall about average. He’s certainly not been a very good signing imo. Not one of our summer signings can lay claim to that.

I think Ekpiteta’s starting to look like a very good signing.

A couple of early season dodgy pass backs (where he wasn’t solely culpable) aside, he’s been decent from the start, improving to a high level of performance in recent weeks.

[Chip shop Joe]

I really don’t know why people bother. It is the same on every thread!!

[JimBHibees]

Fair to say like the team he is struggling a bit. Personally like what he gives and with better service can do better. Not a great team to be striker for given how poor the service is.

[1875M]

That's his main job in your opinion. It's a bit of a basic outlook on the modern striker, especially one playing up front alone. There is far more to it.

Id love him to score more, but I'd love everyone to score more. It's not just his fault.

Hibs.net - the only place where people say the strikers jobs isn’t to score goals. I’m not actually gonna reply further after what you’ve just said. He’s not good enough. End of.

[MWHIBBIES]

Hibs.net - the only place where people say the strikers jobs isn’t to score goals. I’m not actually gonna reply further after what you’ve just said. He’s not good enough. End of.

I didn't say his job wasn't to score goals. Of course it is. But the other things are just as important to our team being successful.

Okay. That's just your opinion, though. In my opinion he's good enough and will get 10-15 goals.

[eastterrace]

Mykol gives away a penalty and gets sent off and people around me started clapping him wtf.

[Bushwoof]

I'm not a fan of the seemingly endless criticism of pretty much every player in the team, but I have to say I've been a bit disappointed in big Myk. In comparison to ALF who was surprisingly good at headers for his size, Myk seems to win very little. I'm not sure he holds the ball up particularly well either. We should have kept ALF instead, regardless of his age.

[Brooster]

I'm not sure what he's good at. Another poor signing.

[HIBS NUTS]

I'm not sure what he's good at. Another poor signing.
I’ve came to that conclusion as well.

[Jones28]

I'm not sure what he's good at. Another poor signing.

Pretty much it for me.

[easty]

Triantis has been a very good signing, the turnaround in our defensive record since he came in has been remarkable. Since Triantis made his debut, only Celtic concede less regularly than we do when it’s 11 v 11.

Nah. I’m no even bothering to check that, that’s no true.

[flash]

Nah. I’m no even bothering to check that, that’s no true.

5 goals conceded in 8 games so could easily be true.

[easty]

5 goals conceded in 8 games so could easily be true.

There’s only been 8 games where we’ve played with Triantis in 11v11? He’s been here since January!

[flash]

There’s only been 8 games where we’ve played with Triantis in 11v11? He’s been here since January!

Aw I thought it was this season just.

[Saint Hibee]

I think he’s okay. Not great, but not terrible.

[tamig]

Aw I thought it was this season just.

He was clearly talking about this season. Not sure if easty was being sarci or not but the comment was about this season.

[CapitalGreen]

There’s only been 8 games where we’ve played with Triantis in 11v11? He’s been here since January!

This season, what we did under Monty is irrelevant to our current defensive record.

Goals conceded per 90 minutes when XI v XI* since Triantis debut
Celtic 0.4
Hibs 0.8
Rangers 1.0
Ross County 1.1
Aberdeen 1.2
Dun Utd 1.3
Hearts 1.4
Dundee 1.6
Killie 1.7
St Mirren 1.7
Motherwell 2.3
St Johnstone 2.6

*I have included Dun Utd’s goal on Sunday as us being down a man had no bearing on the goal being conceded.

[easty]

He was clearly talking about this season. Not sure if easty was being sarci or not but the comment was about this season.

I don’t think “since his debut” is in the slightest bit clear that he meant this season.

Given that debut means his first game.

[Donegal Hibby]

I might be in the minority though I do think he’s a good player , not like Vente who I’d rate more of a goal scorer but I think his work rates good , holds the ball up , wins flick ons and covers a lot of ground …

I would like to see him play more central at times than going out wide as much as he does and think he would benefit from playing with a striker partner like Gayle or Bowie if we had him too ….

Just on Myko and the way things have went with Vente at us , is maybe a lack of creativity in midfield part of our problem when most of the Strikers we have aren’t scoring regularly? .

[wookie70]

I might be in the minority though I do think he’s a good player , not like Vente who I’d rate more of a goal scorer but I think his work rates good , holds the ball up , wins flick ons and covers a lot of ground …

I would like to see him play more central at times than going out wide as much as he does and think he would benefit from playing with a striker partner like Gayle or Bowie if we had him too ….

Just on Myko and the way things have went with Vente at us , is maybe a lack of creativity in midfield part of our problem when most of the Strikers we have aren’t scoring regularly? .

I don't think Myko contributes anywhere near enough in terms of hold up and flick ons. That isn't all on him though as he is pretty distant from the wide men and we don't have a midfielder getting up to combine with him.

[Jones28]

I might be in the minority though I do think he’s a good player , not like Vente who I’d rate more of a goal scorer but I think his work rates good , holds the ball up , wins flick ons and covers a lot of ground …

I would like to see him play more central at times than going out wide as much as he does and think he would benefit from playing with a striker partner like Gayle or Bowie if we had him too ….

Just on Myko and the way things have went with Vente at us , is maybe a lack of creativity in midfield part of our problem when most of the Strikers we have aren’t scoring regularly? .

He works hard but having watched the last 4 matches I could count on 2 hands the number of times he's held the ball up or won a header. In fact for such a big laddie I think he's really poor at both. Ross Counties defenders bullied him out the game and I think the reason he drifts wide or drops deep is just to get a touch of the ball.

I think, like you, he's a good finisher much like Vente and the biggest issue has been a creative midfielder offering them the chances.

[Bobby's Cinema]

He works hard but having watched the last 4 matches I could count on 2 hands the number of times he's held the ball up or won a header. In fact for such a big laddie I think he's really poor at both. Ross Counties defenders bullied him out the game and I think the reason he drifts wide or drops deep is just to get a touch of the ball.

I think, like you, he's a good finisher much like Vente and the biggest issue has been a creative midfielder offering them the chances.
There was one occasion I remember from Sunday where he came to offer for a short throw and Hoilett shouted him away. He is really struggling and I'd like to see us more deliberate about getting it to him and linking with him to feet in open play or get someone up there with him. Simply getting it wide and hoisting it in is not enough, we do not create enough chances.

[Centre Hawf]

He works hard but having watched the last 4 matches I could count on 2 hands the number of times he's held the ball up or won a header. In fact for such a big laddie I think he's really poor at both. Ross Counties defenders bullied him out the game and I think the reason he drifts wide or drops deep is just to get a touch of the ball.

I think, like you, he's a good finisher much like Vente and the biggest issue has been a creative midfielder offering them the chances.

If you're one for stats he's had the most aerial duels out of our entire team (87) and won just 29 of them. Losing 58. For comparison in our squad Ekpiteta has won the most for us at 48 in 77 then O'Hora at 42 in 72.

In comparison to other strikers he falls a bit short -

Jordan White - 168 (97 won)
Dalby - 101 (48 won)
van der Sande - 86 (37 won)
Michael Mandron - 55 (33 won)
Kyle Vassel 74 - (30 won)
Adama Sidibeh 71 - (29 won)
Mykola Kuharevich - 87 (29 won)
Lawrence Shankland - 49 (26 won)

For such a big guy he's not really utilising it that well if guys like Sidibeh are doing it better than him.

[eastmainsmsh]

I like Myko but if Bowie was fit I think Myko would be on bench

[Paulie Walnuts]

He works hard but having watched the last 4 matches I could count on 2 hands the number of times he's held the ball up or won a header. In fact for such a big laddie I think he's really poor at both. Ross Counties defenders bullied him out the game and I think the reason he drifts wide or drops deep is just to get a touch of the ball.

I think, like you, he's a good finisher much like Vente and the biggest issue has been a creative midfielder offering them the chances.

:agree:

He’s certainly not doing much in the holding the ball up or winning flick ons side of things imo.

[Tyler Durden]

There was one occasion I remember from Sunday where he came to offer for a short throw and Hoilett shouted him away. He is really struggling and I'd like to see us more deliberate about getting it to him and linking with him to feet in open play or get someone up there with him. Simply getting it wide and hoisting it in is not enough, we do not create enough chances.

This is exactly what needs to happen. Putting 40-50 crosses in per game is not going to get us goals.

There was some rare nice interplay on Sunday between Obita, Newell and Hoilett but it was out on the wing. It seems like people felt we played well just because we actually had some passing for once.

Newell and Kwon need to be told to get in the box and support Myko and also to link up with the front 3 in and around the box. We look decent defensively and I think the shape is correct for the players we have. But there need to be demands on the two 8s. If they are not contributing goals and assists from open play then they need dropped for someone who will contribute.

It just doesn't seem that Gray sets these type of standards, or really sees a problem. He seems to think chucking in 50 crosses per game is a good strategy.

[wookie70]

If you're one for stats he's had the most aerial duels out of our entire team (87) and won just 29 of them. Losing 58. For comparison in our squad Ekpiteta has won the most for us at 48 in 77 then O'Hora at 42 in 72.

In comparison to other strikers he falls a bit short -

Jordan White - 168 (97 won)
Dalby - 101 (48 won)
van der Sande - 86 (37 won)
Michael Mandron - 55 (33 won)
Kyle Vassel 74 - (30 won)
Adama Sidibeh 71 - (29 won)
Mykola Kuharevich - 87 (29 won)
Lawrence Shankland - 49 (26 won)

For such a big guy he's not really utilising it that well if guys like Sidibeh are doing it better than him.

That would be how I viewed it watching. He is very poor for his size in the air and I would argue very poor at protecting the ball too. Saying that if he won those aerial battles there is no-one running off him so bizarrely the plan may be to force the defender into a poor header and get our midfield working off the scraps. Are there any similar stats for Doidge, I always thought he was nowhere near as good in the air as he was given credit for.

[Centre Hawf]

That would be how I viewed it watching. He is very poor for his size in the air and I would argue very poor at protecting the ball too. Saying that if he won those aerial battles there is no-one running off him so bizarrely the plan may be to force the defender into a poor header and get our midfield working off the scraps. Are there any similar stats for Doidge, I always thought he was nowhere near as good in the air as he was given credit for.

Doidge in his last full season in Scotland for Killie had the 5th highest amount of duels (181) and won 89 of them. Here are the top 10 for comparison on duels won.

Steven Fletcher - 340 (200)
Jordan White - 377 (168)
Curtis Main - 357 (165)
Christian Doidge - 181 (89)
Bojan Miovski - 238 (68)
Nicky Clark - 129 (43)
Duk - 107 (42)
Innes Cameron - 106 (36)
Joel Nouble - 84 (36)
Mykola Kuharevich - 81 (35)

I also checked his Covid season with us and he won 205 out of 400 and was the highest in the league that year for both total duels and duels won. The closest behind him was Nicke Kabamba at 138 won out of 346 so he was quite far ahead.

[The Captain....]

Completely unsuited to being a lone striker, especially when they're as isolated as they are in our recent sides. I'm not as scathing as some as I think he gives it everything, but his decision making, movement and finishing aren't really that impressive. Get lots of balls in the box when you're on top in a game and he might pick up the scraps but that's about it imo.

We were probably hoping Bowie would be back to full fitness and leading the line (itself a bit of a gamble given its hamstrings that his problem area). He gets about the pitch and occupies defenders in a way few of our recent strikers have. A real blow when his injury recurred.

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[wookie70]

Doidge in his last full season in Scotland for Killie had the 5th highest amount of duels (181) and won 89 of them. Here are the top 10 for comparison on duels won.

Steven Fletcher - 340 (200)
Jordan White - 377 (168)
Curtis Main - 357 (165)
Christian Doidge - 181 (89)
Bojan Miovski - 238 (68)
Nicky Clark - 129 (43)
Duk - 107 (42)
Innes Cameron - 106 (36)
Joel Nouble - 84 (36)
Mykola Kuharevich - 81 (35)

I also checked his Covid season with us and he won 205 out of 400 and was the highest in the league that year for both total duels and duels won. The closest behind him was Nicke Kabamba at 138 won out of 346 so he was quite far ahead.

Cheers, decent from Doidge with similar stats to Jordan White over the two seasons. Myko is a good bit worse than them in the air. The stats just show how good Fletcher was in the air and from what I saw he actually directed headers rather than aimlessly winning them. I was never Doidge's biggest fan but he was far more effective than Myko has been.

[Centre Hawf]

Cheers, decent from Doidge with similar stats to Jordan White over the two seasons. Myko is a good bit worse than them in the air. The stats just show how good Fletcher was in the air and from what I saw he actually directed header rather than aimlessly winning them. I was never Doidge's biggest fan but he was far more effective than Myko has been.

I think something for Doidge that probably went in his favour in the covid year was that he was just as big an asset in our box as the oppositions. He was like having another defender back at corners, which will likely pad his stats out a bit more in comparison to some other forwards. I didn't watch him enough for Kilmarnock so I can't say if that was something McInnes carried on.

[shetlandhibee]

That would be how I viewed it watching. He is very poor for his size in the air and I would argue very poor at protecting the ball too. Saying that if he won those aerial battles there is no-one running off him so bizarrely the plan may be to force the defender into a poor header and get our midfield working off the scraps. Are there any similar stats for Doidge, I always thought he was nowhere near as good in the air as he was given credit for.:top marks

[CapitalGreen]

Doidge in his last full season in Scotland for Killie had the 5th highest amount of duels (181) and won 89 of them. Here are the top 10 for comparison on duels won.

Steven Fletcher - 340 (200)
Jordan White - 377 (168)
Curtis Main - 357 (165)
Christian Doidge - 181 (89)
Bojan Miovski - 238 (68)
Nicky Clark - 129 (43)
Duk - 107 (42)
Innes Cameron - 106 (36)
Joel Nouble - 84 (36)
Mykola Kuharevich - 81 (35)

I also checked his Covid season with us and he won 205 out of 400 and was the highest in the league that year for both total duels and duels won. The closest behind him was Nicke Kabamba at 138 won out of 346 so he was quite far ahead.

The thing that stands out for me with that list above is how closely it represents the inverse of the final league table.

1. Fletch - Dun Utd 12th
2. White - Ross County 11th
4. Doidge - Killie 10th
6. Clark - St Johnstone 9th

I’d prefer we moved away from shelling balls up to a big man up front unless we really do want to prepare for life in the Championship.

[Earlydelivery]

I think he’s bang average

[Waxy]

Is he getting good service?
Is he missing lots of chances?

[brianmc]

The thing that stands out for me with that list above is how closely it represents the inverse of the final league table.

1. Fletch - Dun Utd 12th
2. White - Ross County 11th
4. Doidge - Killie 10th
6. Clark - St Johnstone 9th

I’d prefer we moved away from shelling balls up to a big man up front unless we really do want to prepare for life in the Championship.

100% this.
The aimless 60 yard hoof up the park is brutal (ineffective)football.

[Centre Hawf]

The thing that stands out for me with that list above is how closely it represents the inverse of the final league table.

1. Fletch - Dun Utd 12th
2. White - Ross County 11th
4. Doidge - Killie 10th
6. Clark - St Johnstone 9th

I’d prefer we moved away from shelling balls up to a big man up front unless we really do want to prepare for life in the Championship.

Agreed, you hear it a lot about going back to basics and certain styles of football work in Scotland. But actually, most teams that are incapable of playing in any real sort of way on the deck will ultimately struggle.

[Smartie]

Is he getting good service?
Is he missing lots of chances?

I think he could do with doing a lot less dropping deep, helping to create and do a whole lot more staying in the box and trying to get on the end of stuff.

Loads of times on Saturday we worked the ball into decent positions out wide but even if the wide player managed to do his job he looked bereft of options in the middle - often because (I think) Myko's positional play is lamentable. And with no second striker, no number 10, there ends up being no threat from what should be decent positions.

The one game Gayle played that position he ended up with more chances (in spite of us not having as much of the ball) simply because I think his goalscoring instincts are sharper.

[Silky]

I think he’s bang average

As is the "service" he gets from his team mates.

[erin go bragh]

Is he getting good service?
Is he missing lots of chances?
Does he make any chances for himself. Never a lone striker but neither was Doidge. Him and Gayle up front would surely get us some goals but if we can't keep 11 men on the park, we will continue not to win.

[eastmainsmsh]

Imagine Gayle and Vente up front together

[MWHIBBIES]

Imagine Gayle and Vente up front together

No thanks.

[Cabbage-Patch]

If he is indeed out for a while injured then we should really be looking at ending the loan in January. Hasn't done enough in my opinion and certainly not enough to justify keeping around injured. I'd rather have Vente back in and hopefully pick up another striker in the window

[Donegal Hibby]

If he is indeed out for a while injured then we should really be looking at ending the loan in January. Hasn't done enough in my opinion and certainly not enough to justify keeping around injured. I'd rather have Vente back in and hopefully pick up another striker in the window

I read Gray’s hoping it’s only a couple of weeks maybe 3 … unless that’s changed I’d rather hang on to him even though he hasn’t been as good as his first spell at us though I still think he would be better to have around than Mckirdy who hopefully we will try and find a club for in January while taken in another striker. As to Myko or Vente if I had to choose one I’d rather Myko in all honesty.

Not to serious , out for a couple of weeks….

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/2024/december/13/gray-provides-fitness-update-on-kuharevich/

[Hibiza]

No surprise Myko injured. He hasn't done enough : time to return by to Swansea.

[Blaster]

Do people actually think it works like that. Just return him to Swansea. Swansea say ok no problem sorry it didn’t work out as expected…..

[Centre Hawf]

Do people actually think it works like that. Just return him to Swansea. Swansea say ok no problem sorry it didn’t work out as expected…..

There's sometimes exit fees for these things but I agree that it's unlikely we'll see most of the loans cancelled like people want sadly.

[Blaster]

There's sometimes exit fees for these things but I agree that it's unlikely we'll see most of the loans cancelled like people want sadly.

👍

[ChuckNor]

People calling for Vente to come back are absolutely mental in my opinion. Are we forgetting the man missed numerous sitters against multiple lower league opposition and then effectively cleared the ball off of St Mirren’s line in the opening game for us to go 1-0 up? At least Myko’s sitter was in part good goalkeeping from Kasper S. He’s good to have around the place and will hopefully continue to contribute. Not been as good as first time around but plenty time to change that.

[Nicho87]

People calling for Vente to come back are absolutely mental in my opinion. Are we forgetting the man missed numerous sitters against multiple lower league opposition and then effectively cleared the ball off of St Mirren’s line in the opening game for us to go 1-0 up? At least Myko’s sitter was in part good goalkeeping from Kasper S. He’s good to have around the place and will hopefully continue to contribute. Not been as good as first time around but plenty time to change that.

Vente lived up of the great start he had in five games or whatever was.

Take that away and hibs massively over paid for a player who isn’t very physical, isn’t very fast, isn’t very clinical.

Would take any half decent offer in January if one came in.

[Itsnoteasy]

Vente lived up of the great start he had in five games or whatever was.

Take that away and hibs massively over paid for a player who isn’t very physical, isn’t very fast, isn’t very clinical.

Would take any half decent offer in January if one came in.

That's how you could describe Shankland this year.

[Northernhibee]

People calling for Vente to come back are absolutely mental in my opinion. Are we forgetting the man missed numerous sitters against multiple lower league opposition and then effectively cleared the ball off of St Mirren’s line in the opening game for us to go 1-0 up? At least Myko’s sitter was in part good goalkeeping from Kasper S. He’s good to have around the place and will hopefully continue to contribute. Not been as good as first time around but plenty time to change that.

He appears to be one of the easiest strikers to mark out of a game in recent memory. Easy to outmuscle, easy to outpace, easy to outsmart, easy to outwork.

[B.H.F.C]

Vente lived up of the great start he had in five games or whatever was.

Take that away and hibs massively over paid for a player who isn’t very physical, isn’t very fast, isn’t very clinical.

Would take any half decent offer in January if one came in.

Had a decent start back in Holland but no goals in 10 league games now. Sounds familiar.

[B.H.F.C]

I don’t think Myko has been brilliant. Far from it. But if we were looking at terminating his loan in January, we’d need to be looking at moving on the likes of Gayle and Youan who have contributed even less.

As I say, I don’t think he’s been brilliant, he certainly should be sitting with at least 3 or 4 more goals, but I think he’s suffered from Bowie being out as well. We’ve had to rely on him as our main out and out striker more than we probably would have. I still think he can contribute though.

[He's here!]

I don’t think Myko has been brilliant. Far from it. But if we were looking at terminating his loan in January, we’d need to be looking at moving on the likes of Gayle and Youan who have contributed even less.

As I say, I don’t think he’s been brilliant, he certainly should be sitting with at least 3 or 4 more goals, but I think he’s suffered from Bowie being out as well. We’ve had to rely on him as our main out and out striker more than we probably would have. I still think he can contribute though.

I hadn't realised he was still only 23. I had a look at his career stats and in terms of goals scored you'd be hard pushed to describe him as a striker. I thought he looked like a player first time round but he doesn't seem to have developed since then.

[jazzy7070]

People calling for Vente to come back are absolutely mental in my opinion. Are we forgetting the man missed numerous sitters against multiple lower league opposition and then effectively cleared the ball off of St Mirren’s line in the opening game for us to go 1-0 up? At least Myko’s sitter was in part good goalkeeping from Kasper S. He’s good to have around the place and will hopefully continue to contribute. Not been as good as first time around but plenty time to change that.

Hes good to have around the place??how do you know that?said yourself it was a sitter.get him to **** he’s useless,so we don’t need vente back because he’s useless but keep Myko because he’s useless as well but just not against a lower league team.no offence to you mate but that’s bonkers

[JimBHibees]

I don’t think Myko has been brilliant. Far from it. But if we were looking at terminating his loan in January, we’d need to be looking at moving on the likes of Gayle and Youan who have contributed even less.

As I say, I don’t think he’s been brilliant, he certainly should be sitting with at least 3 or 4 more goals, but I think he’s suffered from Bowie being out as well. We’ve had to rely on him as our main out and out striker more than we probably would have. I still think he can contribute though.

I would be more patient with him also. Like him as a player pity he is injured.

[JohnM1875]

I would be more patient with him also. Like him as a player pity he is injured.

Can you be overly patient with a loan player? He's played 83 games and scored 14 goals, patience isn't going to turn him into a prolific goal scorer.

[JimBHibees]

Can you be overly patient with a loan player? He's played 83 games and scored 14 goals, patience isn't going to turn him into a prolific goal scorer.

I don't think he has been that bad has scrambled in a couple and had good bits of play. Couple of goals would get his confidence up good he is getting in positions to miss.

[JohnM1875]

I don't think he has been that bad has scrambled in a couple and had good bits of play. Couple of goals would get his confidence up good he is getting in positions to miss.

I think the opposite. I think he's been so ineffective. He doesn't hold the ball up well, link up play enough and is surprisingly bad in the air.

I do think it might be a confidence thing, cause he wasn't like this at all in his first spell. Maybe the Swansea move and lack of game time has set him back as a player, but he's only on loan here and I'm not sure we can afford him the time to regain that confidence. Especially as he's now out injured, possibly into next year.

[Centre Hawf]

I think the opposite. I think he's been so ineffective. He doesn't hold the ball up well, link up play enough and is surprisingly bad in the air.

I do think it might be a confidence thing, cause he wasn't like this at all in his first spell. Maybe the Swansea move and lack of game time has set him back as a player, but he's only on loan here and I'm not sure we can afford him the time to regain that confidence. Especially as he's now out injured, possibly into next year.

I agree with your assessment. I think his lack of goals this time round has probably highlighted how limited the rest of his game is. It's not like he was massively prolific before, but he had a lot disallowed that probably helped make him feel like he was a bigger goal threat overall.

At least when the ball comes into the feet of someone like Elie or Boyle you know they can take it in and try and carry it up the field. At the moment I don't really feel like he's capable of doing anything with it if it's not a stramash in the box.

[Jones28]

I think the opposite. I think he's been so ineffective. He doesn't hold the ball up well, link up play enough and is surprisingly bad in the air.

I do think it might be a confidence thing, cause he wasn't like this at all in his first spell. Maybe the Swansea move and lack of game time has set him back as a player, but he's only on loan here and I'm not sure we can afford him the time to regain that confidence. Especially as he's now out injured, possibly into next year.

Agree with this, if there’s better options out there we need to explore it. We might be only covering a portion of his wages but it’s still outgoings that could be better spent elsewhere.

[Donegal Hibby]

I was delighted when we got Myko back as I like him as a player and thought he looked good first time around, hasn’t really clicked for him as yet though still think he’s worked hard for the team and I feel at times he might be getting dragged out wide too much and there could be a confidence issue with him too …

With him only out for a couple weeks I’d be in no rush to send him back as I think if we sign a creative attacking midfielder and get Bowie back in January to partner him upfront things might come good for him and us too…

I do think him and Bowie upfront looks a good partnership on paper and one I’d love to see playing together hopefully in the not to distant future.🤞

[JohnM1875]

I was delighted when we got Myko back as I like him as a player and thought he looked good first time around, hasn’t really clicked for him as yet though still think he’s worked hard for the team and I feel at times he might be getting dragged out wide too much and there could be a confidence issue with him too …

With him only out for a couple weeks I’d be in no rush to send him back as I think if we sign a creative attacking midfielder and get Bowie back in January to partner him upfront things might come good for him and us too…

I do think him and Bowie upfront looks a good partnership on paper and one I’d love to see playing together hopefully in the not to distant future.��

That's my worry with Bowie, I think folk (not saying you are at all by the way, DH!) are expecting, or more likely hoping, that he comes back and the attacking options are sorted. He's barely played any football in over a year.

He'll take time to get match fit after coming back from injury. I honestly don't think we'll see the real Bowie until next season, after Myko is away. That won't be through lack of trying from Kieron, it's just natural recovery from his type of injury.

[B.H.F.C]

That's my worry with Bowie, I think folk (not saying you are at all by the way, DH!) are expecting, or more likely hoping, that he comes back and the attacking options are sorted. He's barely played any football in over a year.

He'll take time to get match fit after coming back from injury. I honestly don't think we'll see the real Bowie until next season, after Myko is away. That won't be through lack of trying from Kieron, it's just natural recovery from his type of injury.

Bowie hasn’t been injured for as long as that. Played right up to the end of last season, had and injury but did pre season then got injured in September. So he’ll have had a bit of time out but hopefully we manage him back properly, we need him to start paying back the investment this season.

[Donegal Hibby]

That's my worry with Bowie, I think folk (not saying you are at all by the way, DH!) are expecting, or more likely hoping, that he comes back and the attacking options are sorted. He's barely played any football in over a year.

He'll take time to get match fit after coming back from injury. I honestly don't think we'll see the real Bowie until next season, after Myko is away. That won't be through lack of trying from Kieron, it's just natural recovery from his type of injury.

I’d be surprised if they are as with having both Myko and Bowie out who are our two main strikers we lack a physical presence upfront now and to be honest I have concerns over why Gayle has only played 20 odd minutes here and there since starting against hertz where he played about 60 …

I think we need another striker though and while I know some aren’t happy with Myko I’d hang on to him , ease Bowie back and add another striker with us moving Mckirdy on if at all possible , think it would be better for all parties .

[JohnM1875]

Bowie hasn’t been injured for as long as that. Played right up to the end of last season, had and injury but did pre season then got injured in September. So he’ll have had a bit of time out but hopefully we manage him back properly, we need him to start paying back the investment this season.

Aye, fair point on the injury front, but since 27th of April he's played 70 minutes of competitive club football from what I can see. Wee bit more if you add in the two u21 games.

He's barely played for a very long time is my point. I honestly can't wait to see him firing on all cylinders, cause I think he looks class. Just think it'll be a while til we see that.

[CapitalGreen]

Do people actually think it works like that. Just return him to Swansea. Swansea say ok no problem sorry it didn’t work out as expected…..

Usually when a loan player suffers a significant injury they will carry out their rehab at their parent club so their medical team can manage it. When Myko was injured in 2022, he carried out his rehab in Manchester rather than HTC.

[CapitalGreen]

People calling for Vente to come back are absolutely mental in my opinion. Are we forgetting the man missed numerous sitters against multiple lower league opposition and then effectively cleared the ball off of St Mirren’s line in the opening game for us to go 1-0 up? At least Myko’s sitter was in part good goalkeeping from Kasper S. He’s good to have around the place and will hopefully continue to contribute. Not been as good as first time around but plenty time to change that.

We accumulated significantly more points when Vente was our leading man up front compared to Myko.

[Donegal Hibby]

Usually when a loan player suffers a significant injury they will carry out their rehab at their parent club so their medical team can manage it. When Myko was injured in 2022, he carried out his rehab in Manchester rather than HTC.

I might be wrong but I thought his injury in 2022 was significantly worse than the one he has now though.

[Unseen work]

We accumulated significantly more points when Vente was our leading man up front compared to Myko.

Tbf it did help Vente never had a keeper and goalie that just loved conceding goals 🤣

[B.H.F.C]

Tbf it did help Vente never had a keeper and goalie that just loved conceding goals 🤣

Vente had 3 league goals at same stage of last season as Myko does currently. The same Vente extended stretched his goalless run in the league for his current team to 11 games last night. Suffice to say, I don’t think we’d be any better off with him leading the line.

[Smartie]

I’d probably want to see him in a pair a bit longer before writing him off.

His goal in the first game at Parkhead shows what he can do but he’s definitely not done it often enough.

Much of his season has been typical of Hibs struggling with the 451 - and he’s a mess as a lone striker.

With a front 2 though I think there’s room for him to grapple with defenders, drop deep, win stuff in the air - and we still have a chance of having a striker in the box.