The 2024 version of Elie Youan

[Springbank]

We can't give this guy any more game time

Disinterested & costs us possession every time

I liked Elie but he makes us worse now. We have better than him

[Unseen work]

Never took long.

[Hibs90]

We can't give this guy any more game time

Disinterested & costs us possession every time

I liked Elie but he makes us worse now. We have better than him

He's just back from injury.

He's played approx 90 mins of football since the injury.

You are off your head.

[Not In The Know]

I was interested to see how he would react this season after not getting the move away he clearly wanted. It would either be on fire to prove everyone wrong who never signed him. Or in the huff.

looks like the later so far…

[Hibees1973]

Gray bigs him up as he says he trains really well. He may just look good who he trains against.

For some time I've yet to see it on the pitch.

When he does come good it will only be the odd occasion in a game, which is nowhere near good enough.

[CapitalGreen]

What crime against football did I miss him commit in today’s game?

[Allant1981]

Just not match fit, this is where reserve football has its benefits, guys like youan need game time, bringing them on when we are chasing a game when not match fit isn't ideal

[GreenCastle]

No need for this thread.

[Centre Hawf]

I am a big Elie defender. But unless he's still carrying an issue he just looks totally uninterested and I was really disappointed in him today. Hopefully something changes soon because there's a version of Eile Youan that makes us a far better team.

[500miles]

Hopefully these minutes will get him up to speed, but he's been a tough watch since his return.

[Hibees1973]

The recruitment guys now look foolish as they turned down a reported £2m bid for him in the summer.

Instead they waited, Youan got injured and we now have an uninterested player on our hands.

Them's the breaks.

[Waxy]

Give the guy a break.
Lots of all round positives to focus on today but some people dont like positives.

[HIBS NUTS]

We can't give this guy any more game time

Disinterested & costs us possession every time

I liked Elie but he makes us worse now. We have better than him
I thought hibs were excellent, so many positive's in that game, and you get this thread

[LunasBoots]

Been tough to watch since his return, seems well off it even positionally but maybe not match fit yet.

[Vault Boy]

We can and should give him more game time. It’s the only way he’s going to return to being the player we all know he can be.

[SHODAN]

Elie Youan ate my hamster.

[blackpoolhibs]

We can and should give him more game time. It’s the only way he’s going to return to being the player we all know he can be.

We all know what he is capable of, but at this moment in time, he cant be starting games for us.

Hopefully he gets some minutes in bounce games or the likes, but unless he starts to look better/interested then he does not warrant a game at the moment.

[CapitalGreen]

The recruitment guys now look foolish as they turned down a reported £2m bid for him in the summer.

Instead they waited, Youan got injured and we now have an uninterested player on our hands.

Them's the breaks.

Who from?

[kentao]

Uninterested and couldn't track a man to save his life. Until that improves Hibs will be the highlight of his career.

So much potential but there is more to football than fancy foot work that he needs to learn.

[1875Sean]

He still needs to get up to speed but looks like he wants out and has checked out

[Hibees1973]

Who from?

Was well publicised bids were made from a couple of teams in France.

[Northernhibee]

Could well just be a match fitness thing just now.

[Blaster]

Maybe away to Ibrox wasn’t for him where he is fitness wise. In hindsight Rudi would have been a better choice to replace Hoillett on the left

[HendoDelivered]

He’s either crap or brilliant. Let’s hope next time he is the latter.

[Cooshed Kid]

I really don't understand how anyone can conclude he's not interested. He tried some things with the limited possession he had. They didn't work out and he just looked horribly out of touch and not in any way uninterested. He was so desperate to score that he cut inside with Tav blocking him all the way until he took a hopeful shot into a crowd which would have needed divine intervention to force Butland into a save and which went well wide. That desperation - the willingness to accept humiliation if his move didn't work out - says he is very interested indeed.

[green day]

I just don't think he is fully fit.

[Tully]

Is Hoilett no just back from injury, how’s it no affected him just wondering

[Nicho87]

He was mince when he came on

[Allant1981]

Is Hoilett no just back from injury, how’s it no affected him just wondering

Just plain daft comparing players coming back from injuries, human beings all react differently to injuries and recovery, not hard to understand

[tamig]

We can't give this guy any more game time

Disinterested & costs us possession every time

I liked Elie but he makes us worse now. We have better than him

Pish. He tried a few things that didn’t quite come off. He can.come up with something out of nothing. And will again for sure. Get behind the guy instead of this facebook/x style mauling. Very bad patter.

[Kato]

Is Hoilett no just back from injury, how’s it no affected him just wonderingDo you think it's a computer game?

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[tamig]

I thought hibs were excellent, so many positive's in that game, and you get this thread

Symptomatic of the current trends. Get away to **** from here.

[LaMotta]

Youan was absolutely dreadful when he came on, as he was in his previous outing v St Johnstone, not sure why people people think that isn't a valid topic of conversation.

As someone said on the match thread he is our best and our worst player. Sometimes he is that in the same game. The fact he really doesn't look like he is putting in a shift and helping out his team mates does him no favours.

[Tully]

Do you think it's a computer game?

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In what respect one applied themself and looked interested the other didn’t ,nothing to do with a computer game or anything else it’s down to wanting to do it ,which in last 2 games both named players have shown who was up for it and who wasn’t

[Centre Hawf]

Youan was absolutely dreadful when he came on, as he was in his previous outing v St Johnstone, not sure why people people think that isn't a valid topic of conversation.

As someone said on the match thread he is our best and our worst player. Sometimes he is that in the same game. The fact he really doesn't look like he is putting in a shift and helping out his team mates does him no favours.

Agree totally. I'll give him some benefit of the doubt that he's feeling his way back still but if he's not ready then we shouldn't be playing him if that's the sort of performances we'll get from him. If he is ready then his head isn't in it because there was a few occasions I honestly felt like he wasn't trying a leg.

There was one moment in the final few minutes that McKirdy dropped, collected the ball and run wide with it and was waiting for Elie to sprint down the line to drag the full back away or open up a pass and instead he almost circled back around him. It was like he didn't want to sprint at a full pace.

[Tully]

[QUOTE=Allant1981;7780353]Just plain daft comparing players coming back from injuries, human beings all react differently to injuries and recovery, not hard to understand[/QUOTE
So why was youhan involved if he’s not fit?

[CapitalGreen]

Youan was absolutely dreadful when he came on, as he was in his previous outing v St Johnstone, not sure why people people think that isn't a valid topic of conversation.

As someone said on the match thread he is our best and our worst player. Sometimes he is that in the same game. The fact he really doesn't look like he is putting in a shift and helping out his team mates does him no favours.

Myko was also dreadful and had a much bigger impact on the final result but as per its Youan who is scapegoated.

[NC1875]

One minute unplayable
The next minute looks like he’s never seen a football.

Unfortunately last week and today was the latter.

Not sure we can afford to carry him

[LaMotta]

In what respect one applied themself and looked interested the other didn’t ,nothing to do with a computer game or anything else it’s down to wanting to do it ,which in last 2 games both named players have shown who was up for it and who wasn’t

Spot on:agree:


Agree totally. I'll give him some benefit of the doubt that he's feeling his way back still but if he's not ready then we shouldn't be playing him if that's the sort of performances we'll get from him. If he is ready then his head isn't in it because there was a few occasions I honestly felt like he wasn't trying a leg.

There was one moment in the final few minutes that McKirdy dropped, collected the ball and run wide with it and was waiting for Elie to sprint down the line to drag the full back away or open up a pass and instead he almost circled back around him. It was like he didn't want to sprint at a full pace.

Aye remember that actually - Youan just kind of got in his way, rather making a run to create space for McKirdy and/or a potential option for a pass.

At some point we know he is likely to do something brilliant, but as others have said its hard to make a case for him being on the pitch at any point just now to allow him to see if he might do that.

[Walkerbaws]

What a load of nonsense all this about match fitness. David Gray deemed him match fit enough to start the game against st Johnstone, which he looked uninterested, but we are all of a sudden saying Ellie can only jog about the field and let the opposition pass him by without attempting to win the ball or get involved.

Ellie is wanting out and I don’t blame him for a second. But, we’re in a nightmare of a position with him, do we play him and put him in the shop window for January and hope he plays well enough to get him a move for decent money. Or do we drop him because he is 50% of the player he used to be when he was on loan and wanted a permanent transfer?

[Allant1981]

[QUOTE=Allant1981;7780353]Just plain daft comparing players coming back from injuries, human beings all react differently to injuries and recovery, not hard to understand[/QUOTE
So why was youhan involved if he’s not fit?

Seeing as I'm in no way involved with the club I wouldn't know

[LaMotta]

Myko was also dreadful and had a much bigger impact on the final result but as per its Youan who is scapegoated.


I agree Myko was dreadful today. But he has had positive contribution to the team in general this season, which is probably why there isnt a thread started about him. You can do that if you wish though!

Nobody is scapegoating Youan though about today's result. We only have 2 performances from him this season to talk about, and I don't think much if any of the criticism he's received for them is unjust.

[Greenio]

Hes not uninterested, in a huff or downed tools

He's just coming back from injury and not playing that well (for the short time he was on)

It's simple really, but the mob need their witch so hes got that accolade for this game, cos there's no a lot else to whine about

[Allant1981]

Hes not uninterested, in a huff or downed tools

He's just coming back from injury and not playing that well (for the short time he was on)

It's simple really, but the mob need their witch so hes got that accolade for this game, cos there's no a lot else to whine about

Yip, he clearly isn't match sharp yet but isn't going to get that without games, doesn't help though when we are chasing a game

[Cooshed Kid]

Hes not uninterested, in a huff or downed tools

He's just coming back from injury and not playing that well (for the short time he was on)

It's simple really, but the mob need their witch so hes got that accolade for this game, cos there's no a lot else to whine about

Nailed it.

[hibeemikey21]

Been my favourite player for the last 2 seasons and I was desperate for him to do well today given all that has gone on. Unfortunately, that performance today looked like someone who is just going through the motions/has taken the hump, as opposed to lacking match-fitness. A real shame if so.

I think I noticed some players opting not to pass to him after his initial showing. Levitt definitely appeared to at one point.

[CapitalGreen]

I agree Myko was dreadful today. But he has had positive contribution to the team in general this season, which is probably why there isnt a thread started about him. You can do that if you wish though!

Nobody is scapegoating Youan though about today's result. We only have 2 performances from him this season to talk about, and I don't think much if any of the criticism he's received for them is unjust.

He has, since he got up to speed - he was anonymous in his first couple of appearances and was good as a man down at home to Celtic.

[Pretty Boy]

Maybe Rangers away isn't the best game for someone who needs minutes?

A fit Youan on his day is a match winner. Today and last week he was neither fit nor on his day. Last week there was a bit of margin for error given the level of opposition, today much less so and it might have been better management all round to have him keep his tracksuit on.

He is here until at least January and it's in both his and our interests that he performs between now and then so hopefully it clicks for him soon.

[The Spaceman]

He’ll come good. He’s that good it’s very hard for him not to. I’ve been getting immensely frustrated with him of late, but he’s still returning to match fitness for us.

[Northernhibee]

I just don't think he is fully fit.

I think this is what it is, and I’m a big critic of Elie normally.

[SickBoy32]

The recruitment guys now look foolish as they turned down a reported £2m bid for him in the summer.

Instead they waited, Youan got injured and we now have an uninterested player on our hands.

Them's the breaks.

Yep, guy was desperate to leave all summer and no chance we’ll get anywhere near a fee like that now - he’s chucked it.

[Cabbage-Patch]

I've defended him but was a man down when he came on. He's only damaging his own chances of a move with these performances.

[ancient hibee]

Hes not uninterested, in a huff or downed tools

He's just coming back from injury and not playing that well (for the short time he was on)

It's simple really, but the mob need their witch so hes got that accolade for this game, cos there's no a lot else to whine about


Yes-the pile on thread. The inventions of Hibs supporters is endless. He’s not sure of his fitness and he’s off form-why not accept that and encourage him to get back in properly? But no -he’s got to be a malingerer.

[Cooshed Kid]

Criticising Youan's performances is perfectly valid and it's for precisely such recreation that this website exists. He's definitely not up to par in competitive games at present and it's reasonable to say that. However, impugning his match day motivation is bang out of order. Not one of us knows what is going through his mind or happening with his body.

We all knew that even when he was at his best as an attacker he had limitations in other parts of his game. It's hardly a surprise that those limitations are still very evident when the marauding attacker is failing to fire on all cylinders. And a moment's thought would convince most people that if he wants a move to a "better" team then the best way to showcase himself is to play as well as he can. Coming onto the pitch and "not being interested" won't get him his move. All we can say based on what we have seen is that things are currently not working for him. Let's hope that changes. It seems to have done so for Bursik after a few games.

[marinello59]

What a load of nonsense all this about match fitness. David Gray deemed him match fit enough to start the game against st Johnstone, which he looked uninterested, but we are all of a sudden saying Ellie can only jog about the field and let the opposition pass him by without attempting to win the ball or get involved.

Ellie is wanting out and I don’t blame him for a second. But, we’re in a nightmare of a position with him, do we play him and put him in the shop window for January and hope he plays well enough to get him a move for decent money. Or do we drop him because he is 50% of the player he used to be when he was on loan and wanted a permanent transfer?

There’s a huge difference between physical fitness and match fitness. The latter only comes with game time, let’s give him a chance before getting the flaming torches out.

[hibsbollah]

Hes not uninterested, in a huff or downed tools

He's just coming back from injury and not playing that well (for the short time he was on)

It's simple really, but the mob need their witch so hes got that accolade for this game, cos there's no a lot else to whine about

The difference with Youan is hes showing he lets it get to him. Whether its a tiny minority, a significant minority or the majority of Hibs fans that arent giving him fair treatment doesn’t really matter, HE feels the fans dont give him due respect, hes said as much. This perceived sensitivity probably eggs certain folk on.

[InvertedFullBak]

This has nothing to do with match fitness. It’s all about attitude and application which I’m afraid is stinking. He doesn’t want to be here and that’s evident after his recent Instagram posts. He downed tools for Johnston , Montgomery and it looks like he downed tools for gray already. The first half v st Johnstone made that pretty clear to everyone.

unfortunately we are stuck with him and he’s probably been tapped by someone so all he’ll be doing is keeping himself injury free until January so he can leave.

[MWHIBBIES]

A very talented player. Great running at defenders, decent finisher, can cause havoc. But god, when he is bad, he's a man down. Doesn't control it well, so loses it and it comes back at us, doesn't press or track his man, and far too often passes it straight to the opposition.

[JohnM1875]

Not a great performance at all from Elie today. Don't doubt he'll be off in the summer at the latest so hopefully starts contributing again. The minutes on the pitch will do him some good at least.

[Since90+2]

A very talented player. Great running at defenders, decent finisher, can cause havoc. But god, when he is bad, he's a man down. Doesn't control it well, so loses it and it comes back at us, doesn't press or track his man, and far too often passes it straight to the opposition.

Pretty well summed up.

[Since90+2]

This has nothing to do with match fitness. It’s all about attitude and application which I’m afraid is stinking. He doesn’t want to be here and that’s evident after his recent Instagram posts. He downed tools for Johnston , Montgomery and it looks like he downed tools for gray already. The first half v st Johnstone made that pretty clear to everyone.

unfortunately we are stuck with him and he’s probably been tapped by someone so all he’ll be doing is keeping himself injury free until January so he can leave.

Sadly I agree. I don't think he wants to be here, he's a talented player on his day, but his off days are brutal.

[Brightside]

He’s clearly not fussed at the moment. For his own sake he will need to pick up or he won’t be moving anywhere.

[InvertedFullBak]

Sadly I agree. I don't think he wants to be here, he's a talented player on his day, but his off days are brutal.


Spot on. Hibs cannot rely on players who’re good on their day. We need guys we can trust to perform and give 100% every week. Talented but we don’t see that enough. Best for all parties if he’s moved on.

[The Tubs]

Spot on. Hibs cannot rely on players who’re good on their day. We need guys we can trust to perform and give 100% every week. Talented but we don’t see that enough. Best for all parties if he’s moved on.

He's had consistent spells of having an impact and once he gets fit again, I'll trust the manager to the most from him, regardless of all the other noise.

[lyonhibs]

Hopefully these minutes will get him up to speed, but he's been a tough watch since his return.

He was very capable of being a tough watch before the injury but equally as likely to be a gamechanger. Lose that latter element and you've got yourself a liability as he's not a Stevenson 7/10 style player. It's either 4 or 9 out of 10 with him.

[Big_Franck]

Such a shame that he's still here. Would've been best for everyone if he'd moved on in the summer and we'd got a fee we could've strengthened with. Now we're stuck with a high earner moping around the pitch sulking and contributing hee haw. January can't come soon enough.

[Donegal Hibby]

Very talented player who’s just back from injury and already the knives are out …. Give the guy a break for Pete sake .

[hfc-1875]

Wether he’s played a lot of football or not, the least you can do is actually look bothered and put a bit work in. He jogged about when he came on and couldn’t look any less bothered if he tried

[RIP]

The folk that say "not fussed / not interested" are not paying attention.

In David Gray, we have a manager who will never tolerate less than 100% effort. No way any player would be in a green shirt otherwise.

It's just ***** patter. Say he's off form if you wish.

The accusation is completely baseless.

[B.H.F.C]

The folk that say "not fussed / not interested" are not paying attention.

In David Gray, we have a manager who will never tolerate less than 100% effort. No way any player would be in a green shirt otherwise.

It's just ***** patter. Say he's off form if you wish.

The accusation is completely baseless.

It’s not baseless, it’s just how folk see it.

He came on today and he didn’t have any impact on the game. I also don’t think he put the same level of effort in as the player he replaced.

[JimBHibees]

Thought he was frustrating but he is that sort of player. The pile on is a bit tiresome

[BILLYHIBS]

Only his third game back will give him till Christmas to get his act together then he can kick on and get his move

Only thing he lacks is match practice and match fitness

Not giving up on him just yet

[Since90+2]

Thought he was frustrating but he is that sort of player. The pile on is a bit tiresome

It's hardly a pile on.

Folk are commenting on his performance but have also said he's definitely got talent. Players will have their performance analysed, if they didn't this place would be pretty quiet.

[Donegal Hibby]

The folk that say "not fussed / not interested" are not paying attention.

In David Gray, we have a manager who will never tolerate less than 100% effort. No way any player would be in a green shirt otherwise.

It's just ***** patter. Say he's off form if you wish.

The accusation is completely baseless.

If he wasn’t fussed / not interested Gray would see it in training and he wouldn’t be getting a look in , guys just back from injury and is probably lacking match fitness ..Youan will come good again.

[LaMotta]

It's hardly a pile on.

Folk are commenting on his performance but have also said he's definitely got talent. Players will have their performance analysed, if they didn't this place would be pretty quiet.

Agreed.

Youan's main problem is he sometimes doesn't look like he is trying as hard as he could be. There was times today where he was just jogging about, not even attempting to help his teammates. People can forgive misplaced passes or missed shots, but it's hard to look past a lack of effort. He should watch videos of Maeda at Celtic - unbelievable team player and work ethic.

It always puzzles me that some people seem to think he is being unfairly picked on. Just like it also puzzles me that some people can't appreciate how good he is on his day.

[Dmas]

Very talented player who’s just back from injury and already the knives are out …. Give the guy a break for Pete sake .

Hoilett is just back from a far more serious injury and putting in a bit effort doesn’t seem to be effecting him, no one is expecting him to be back and immediately start pulling up trees but he was a man short last time out and was same today when he came on

[B.H.F.C]

Agreed.

Youan's main problem is he sometimes doesn't look like he is trying as hard as he could be. There was times today where he was just jogging about, not even attempting to help his teammates. People can forgive misplaced passes or missed shots, but it's hard to look past a lack of effort. He should watch videos of Maeda at Celtic - unbelievable team player and work ethic.

At the game today that’s what me, and most folk around me, saw and were commenting on. Folk simply don’t see a player working as hard as they think he should.

[LaMotta]

Hoilett is just back from a far more serious injury and putting in a bit effort doesn’t seem to be effecting him, no one is expecting him to be back and immediately start pulling up trees but he was a man short last time out and was same today when he came on


At the game today that’s what me, and most folk around me, saw and were commenting on. Folk simply don’t see a player working as hard as they think he should.

:agree::agree:

[Walkerbaws]

There’s a huge difference between physical fitness and match fitness. The latter only comes with game time, let’s give him a chance before getting the flaming torches out.

Of course there is. I think the point most of the supporters are making is that whether your match fit or not, a player like Ellie should have some sort of fitness that would enable him to sprint or at least run a bit faster than a jog.

Gray deemed him fit enough to start against st Johnstone, which means he was fit enough to play at least 45 minutes, as the manger isn’t taking him off before half time is he?

If that’s the effort we get out of him getting back to match fitness then I’d rather the manager not play him and maybe give a chance to someone else who is willing to put the effort in.

[Donegal Hibby]

Hoilett is just back from a far more serious injury and putting in a bit effort doesn’t seem to be effecting him, no one is expecting him to be back and immediately start pulling up trees but he was a man short last time out and was same today when he came on

Both injuries are different though so maybe it’s possible that they had different effects on the players .. he tried to control the ball today and it went out for a sevco throw , had shot which looked like he Mis-hit that was poor and went out of play…

I don’t think it’s anything to do with what’s being suggested in he’s downed tools but more he’s just rusty after just coming back .. certainly think we could give the guy a bit of a break before writing him off after only his 2nd appearance in a very difficult venue.

[ancient hibee]

Hoilett is just back from a far more serious injury and putting in a bit effort doesn’t seem to be effecting him, no one is expecting him to be back and immediately start pulling up trees but he was a man short last time out and was same today when he came on
Perhaps you can give us a run down on their respective injuries how long ago they got them and their recovery time?

[InvertedFullBak]

He's had consistent spells of having an impact and once he gets fit again, I'll trust the manager to the most from him, regardless of all the other noise.

Once you have a player who makes as much noise as he did about wanting to leave then he’s given up the ghost. As I said earlier , he’s probably been tapped and told get himself fit and stay like that until the window so he can leave.

[MWHIBBIES]

Very talented player who’s just back from injury and already the knives are out …. Give the guy a break for Pete sake .

Injury is not an excuse when Hoilett is in the same boat and playing very well, imo.

[LaMotta]

The folk that say "not fussed / not interested" are not paying attention.

In David Gray, we have a manager who will never tolerate less than 100% effort. No way any player would be in a green shirt otherwise.

It's just ***** patter. Say he's off form if you wish.

The accusation is completely baseless.

That's probably why Gray hooked him at half time in his previous outing and benched him today.

[Hiber-nation]

Elie just wasn't at it last week or today, body shape, willingness to work, no good.

The only mitigation is that he might have been better off on the right where he would maybe have been more comfortable just getting his head down and going for the byeline but I'm clutching at straws.

[easty]

He’ll probably score next week, then he’ll be good again, then he’ll delete a picture of Hibs off his Instagram and he’ll be a Billy big bollocks, then he’ll score and be the kind of player we need to build a team around, then we’ll get beat but he’ll post a highlight reel of him doing a stepover in the game and he’ll be called a ***** show pony wage thief.

Such is the way of things.

He’s a good player, wasn’t good today. Has a good scoring/assisting record for Hibs, and he’ll add to that over the season.

[Carheenlea]

Comfortably one of the top five naturally talented players in Scotland right now

Would you want him in our team or bearing down on our goal?

I’m happy he’s one of us.

[B.H.F.C]

Comfortably one of the top five naturally talented players in Scotland right now

Would you want him in our team or bearing down on our goal?

I’m happy he’s one of us.

We just need to start seeing him showing that again. 3 goals and 4 assists in 2024 (no goals since February). I agree he has talent but he’s not don’t anything of note for a considerable time.

[Since90+2]

Comfortably one of the top five naturally talented players in Scotland right now

Would you want him in our team or bearing down on our goal?

I’m happy he’s one of us.

Top 5 talented player in Scotland? There's one team in Scotland who's quality is absolutely miles above anyone else.

[Libby Hibby]

If he doesn’t want to be here, as many have suggested, where does he want to be as I’ve just got a full tank of petrol and I’ll drive him to wherever he wants to go.

[MWHIBBIES]

Comfortably one of the top five naturally talented players in Scotland right now

Would you want him in our team or bearing down on our goal?

I’m happy he’s one of us.

Celtic have 10 more naturally talented players. At least.

[Donegal Hibby]

Injury is not an excuse when Hoilett is in the same boat and playing very well, imo.

As I said both injuries are different and the chat of the player not being interested/ downing tools when it was him being 100% committed that was down to him getting injured in the first place I find quite laughable….

On the match thread there was even one or two had a go at Campbell who done nothing wrong and one that couldn’t acknowledge that Bursik made a really good save , Myko was called gash , Miller another…

Unfortunately there’s a few players that come in for criticism more than others and at times it’s relentless and totally OTT .

Sadly it just the way things are in some are never happier unless they have something to moan about , me ? I thought we played extremely well and we were unlucky not to take something from the game , lots of positives to take including Youan getting some more game time which I’m sure he will be the better for in the coming weeks.👍

[Soldiersteve]

As I said both injuries are different and the chat of the player not being interested/ downing tools when it was him being 100% committed that was down to him getting injured in the first place I find quite laughable….

On the match thread there was even one or two had a go at Campbell who done nothing wrong and one that couldn’t acknowledge that Bursik made a really good save , Myko was called gash , Miller another…

Unfortunately there’s a few players that come in for criticism more than others and at times it’s relentless and totally OTT .

Sadly it just the way things are in some are never happier unless they have something to moan about , me ? I thought we played extremely well and we were unlucky not to take something from the game , lots of positives to take including Youan getting some more game time which I’m sure he will be the better for in the coming weeks.👍

This.

[Largshibby]

Just not match fit, this is where reserve football has its benefits, guys like youan need game time, bringing them on when we are chasing a game when not match fit isn't ideal

Do you need to be “match fit” to play for 20 minutes?

[RMQ1967]

As I said both injuries are different and the chat of the player not being interested/ downing tools when it was him being 100% committed that was down to him getting injured in the first place I find quite laughable….

On the match thread there was even one or two had a go at Campbell who done nothing wrong and one that couldn’t acknowledge that Bursik made a really good save , Myko was called gash , Miller another…

Unfortunately there’s a few players that come in for criticism more than others and at times it’s relentless and totally OTT .

Sadly it just the way things are in some are never happier unless they have something to moan about , me ? I thought we played extremely well and we were unlucky not to take something from the game , lots of positives to take including Youan getting some more game time which I’m sure he will be the better for in the coming weeks.👍

I'm neither here nor there on Youan but there's no doubt he appears to me and many others it seems that he ambles about the pitch looking a bit lost when we don't have the ball.

He rarely appears busy & switched on, often seems unaware of who he should be marking or where opposing players are.

Compare with most other players in the team today who were racing around, trying to close players down. I can absolutely see why fans would be frustrated by his body language - hasn't impressed the past few games.

He has the talent but he needs to bring the hard work or fans will rightly call it out.

[Allant1981]

Do you need to be “match fit” to play for 20 minutes?

Should probably have said match sharp, which is completely different

[ekhibee]

I'm neither here nor there on Youan but there's no doubt he appears to me and many others it seems that he ambles about the pitch looking a bit lost when we don't have the ball.

He rarely appears busy & switched on, often seems unaware of who he should be marking or where opposing players are.

Compare with most other players in the team today who were racing around, trying to close players down. I can absolutely see why fans would be frustrated by his body language - hasn't impressed the past few games.

He has the talent but he needs to bring the hard work or fans will rightly call it out.

This totally.

[Brightside]

Comfortably one of the top five naturally talented players in Scotland right now

Would you want him in our team or bearing down on our goal?

I’m happy he’s one of us.

What does naturally gifted mean? Cos he wouldn’t be in a top 20 of players most fans would have in “best” players. He can be brilliant but he’s miles away from being a 3m player right now.

[blackpoolhibs]

Comfortably one of the top five naturally talented players in Scotland right now

Would you want him in our team or bearing down on our goal?

I’m happy he’s one of us.

Right now he's comfortably in the top two waste of spaces at Hibs, he's been very good for us in the past, but he's nowhere near good enough at this moment to be anywhere near the pitch either starting or sub.

[GreenCastle]

Can we not just support the guy and hope he finds form again and leaves Hibs in a positive way.

Surely that’s the least he deserves after all the crap aimed towards him from so called supporters.

It’s a tricky situation but he’s still got an X factor that can win us games out of nothing. With Bowie and Boyle injured we need goals and assists - he gives us speed too which we don’t have much of.

[J-C]

We've seen Youan having arguments on Instagram with fans, he left cryptic clues about his time here, I think he thought he was off which didn't happen. He looks like he's going through the motions.

[B.H.F.C]

Can we not just support the guy and hope he finds form again and leaves Hibs in a positive way.

Surely that’s the least he deserves after all the crap aimed towards him from so called supporters.

It’s a tricky situation but he’s still got an X factor that can win us games out of nothing. With Bowie and Boyle injured we need goals and assists - he gives us speed too which we don’t have much of.

Works both ways. There were plenty folk there to support the team, including him, yesterday. People don’t see a player that applies himself as well as he should at times, it felt like a pretty unanimous view from those standing around me at Ibrox. If you’re a player that people don’t perceive to be fulfilling the most basic requirement of the game, they’re not going to blindly support you.

[Bobby's Cinema]

I've always liked Elie. I didn't get it until now, did not understand it at all. But the last two appearances are a turning point for me.

Thought that was a pathetic showing yesterday lacking effort. I watched him closely, wandering around at walking pace for a guy just on the pitch. Added to that lack of sharpness and confidence. Mckirdy may not be good enough IMO, and may be different roles but he pressed tirelessly when he came on that contrast in work ethic was clear.

[theonlywayisup]

Can we not just support the guy and hope he finds form again and leaves Hibs in a positive way.

Surely that’s the least he deserves after all the crap aimed towards him from so called supporters.

It’s a tricky situation but he’s still got an X factor that can win us games out of nothing. With Bowie and Boyle injured we need goals and assists - he gives us speed too which we don’t have much of.

When was the last time he helped us win a game out of nothing?

[Donegal Hibby]

It can’t have been an easy time for Youan after being out for a lengthy period and getting racially abused, must be showing something in training when Gray’s picking him , only his 2nd appearance back . Maybe a bit of patience and support would be more beneficial than putting the boot in on the guy 🤔….

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/latest-hibs-news/hibs-lift-lid-on-elie-youan-status-after-two-week-break-hopefully-hell-be-in-a-better-place-4799528

[ekhibee]

If a player doesn't perform well he will be critisized. Racism is evil and always has been. I couldn't care less what colour a player's skin is, in my opinion if he doesn't perform well I will say so. Me bad.

[Northernhibee]

When was the last time he helped us win a game out of nothing?

Two goals against Motherwell last season ( though that was a draw tbf).

He can be the best player in this league but that’s maybe 2-3 times a season we see it.

I just can’t be arsed with that level of inconsistency.

[Bobby's Cinema]

Comfortably one of the top five naturally talented players in Scotland right now

Would you want him in our team or bearing down on our goal?

I’m happy he’s one of us.
No chance at the moment unfortunately. Would love him to recapture his best but can't see it. This is reminding me a bit of the decline of Flo Kamberi.

[Northernhibee]

Comfortably one of the top five naturally talented players in Scotland right now

Would you want him in our team or bearing down on our goal?

I’m happy he’s one of us.

“Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard”.

[Cabbage-Patch]

Comfortably one of the top five naturally talented players in Scotland right now

Would you want him in our team or bearing down on our goal?

I’m happy he’s one of us.

Even with the greenest of tinted specs on that's a wild take. He's a talented player no question but his attitude and application has let him down time and time again. He's capable of a moment of magic that can win a game. Not many in the squad (if any) have that in the locker but that's not worth the consistent crap lethargic performances we have seen all too regularly

He has faced personal and racial abuse by the fans which is unacceptable but he needs to remember the club are still paying his wages and he has a job to do.

I'm glad he stayed but he needs to start performing for his sake if we wants a decent move away.

[Dmas]

Perhaps you can give us a run down on their respective injuries how long ago they got them and their recovery time?

I’m not the team doctor but hoilett had a hamstring injury which kept him out the copa America and youan had a dead leg during cup group game, I think we’d have expected hoilett to be limiting his running around more the Ellie, cadden pulled a muscle v Elgin and Boyle been playing through an injury requiring surgery all have given everything they can no matter how poor form has been or things not coming off

[superfurryhibby]

I’m not the team doctor but hoilett had a hamstring injury which kept him out the copa America and youan had a dead leg during cup group game, I think we’d have expected hoilett to be limiting his running around more the Ellie, cadden pulled a muscle v Elgin and Boyle been playing through an injury requiring surgery all have given everything they can no matter how poor form has been or things not coming off

I suspect Youan's injury was a bit more than just a dead leg and would imagine our medical and physio team might have been involved in assessing it and planning his route back to fitness.

I would rather fans gave Youan more minutes before getting themselves worked up about him trying or not trying.

[basehibby]

Is Hoilett no just back from injury, how’s it no affected him just wondering

Different players but Hoilett was subbed BECAUSE he is coming back from injury and getting up to full fitness. FWIW Hoilett does seem to be a far more intelligent and consistent player - but at 34 he has experienced on his side. Hopefully Youan can learn from him.

[LaMotta]

Even with the greenest of tinted specs on that's a wild take. He's a talented player no question but his attitude and application has let him down time and time again. He's capable of a moment of magic that can win a game. Not many in the squad (if any) have that in the locker but that's not worth the consistent crap lethargic performances we have seen all too regularly

He has faced personal and racial abuse by the fans which us unacceptable but he needs to remember the club are still paying his wages and he has a job to do.

I'm glad he stayed but he needs to start performing for his sake if we wants a decent move away.


Agree with all of what you say, but on that point specifically, as far as I'm aware there is no actual evidence of racism from Hibs fans. A couple of sorry incidents with teenagers having their phones nabbed and bullies on the wind up seemed to be the issue.

[LaMotta]

I suspect Youan's injury was a bit more than just a dead leg and would imagine our medical and physio team might have been involved in assessing it and planning his route back to fitness.

I would rather fans gave Youan more minutes before getting themselves worked up about him trying or not trying.

He need's to work hard if he wants the benefit of the doubt from fans. It's the least you can expect from a player.

[Cabbage-Patch]

Agree with all of what you say, but on that point specifically, as far as I'm aware there is no actual evidence of racism from Hibs fans. A couple of sorry incidents with teenagers having their phones nabbed and bullies on the wind up seemed to be the issue.

Fair enough. I was under the impression the lad who was charged by Police was claiming to be a fan. Maybe I got that wrong

[LaMotta]

Fair enough. I was under the impression the lad who was charged by Police was claiming to be a fan. Maybe I got that wrong

I don't blame you for thinking that, because that was what Hibs press release insinuated at the time, before all the facts were found out. Hibs understandably wanted to put a press release out quickly on the issue, but parts of it weren't worded well.

[WestStandWillie]

Still possesses brilliance that can change a game. Wouldn't surprise me if he comes off the bench in the Derby and has a major involvement with our winner :cb

[superfurryhibby]

He need's to work hard if he wants the benefit of the doubt from fans. It's the least you can expect from a player.

Maybe, but some of our fans area bit too eager to criticise, especially around recovery from injuries, which they clearly know nothing about. Don't you agree (this was the point I responded to)?

Youan's not going to turn into a cover every blade of grass type player, given he's never done that in his two previous seasons at Hibs. Gray is obviously well aware of what he offers and where he needs to improve. I would stick with my point that he's been judged too harshly and that not all fans are as impatient as others on that front.

[Since90+2]

Two goals against Motherwell last season ( though that was a draw tbf).

He can be the best player in this league but that’s maybe 2-3 times a season we see it.

I just can’t be arsed with that level of inconsistency.

I think you're way overstating his ability here. He definitely a good player but he's not the best player in the league even on his day.

He's absolutely miles behind Maeda for example. That's not a criticism as Maeda is absolutely brilliant, but I think it's way off to say he can be the best player in the league.

[LaMotta]

Maybe, but some of our fans area bit too eager to criticise, especially around recovery from injuries, which they clearly know nothing about. Don't you agree (this was the point I responded to)?

Youan's not going to turn into a cover every blade of grass type player, given he's never done that in his two previous seasons at Hibs. Gray is obviously well aware of what he offers and where he needs to improve. I would stick with my point that he's been judged too harshly and that not all fans are as impatient as others on that front.

I do agree with on this point yes. That is fair. But then I responded to your separate point which was that fans shouldn't be concerned about him trying or not. I think that's something we really should be concerned about given what we've seen for him in his brief outings. He's certainly not going to build up his fitness very quickly if he jogs about on his toes at snails pace.

[superfurryhibby]

I do agree with on this point yes. That is fair. But then I responded to your separate point which was that fans shouldn't be concerned about him trying or not. I think that's something we really should be concerned about given what we've seen for him in his brief outings. He's certainly not going to build up his fitness very quickly if he jogs about on his toes at snails pace.

I said that fans are being too quick to criticise and suggested that he's doing what he always does on the effort front, just not bringing any of the good stuff..... so far.

I'm pretty sure Gray won't tolerate passengers. Youan started one game and was removed at half time, he's come on for 25 minutes in another. He's not a player for running around and chasing everything, we have guys like the Caddens and Campbell for that. We also have strong competition for the wide berths in our side.

If Youan wants to play his way towards a good move, he will need to improve, no arguments there. I'm not concerned as such just now though, I might be if he remains gash after another four-five games.

[MWHIBBIES]

I said that fans are being too quick to criticise and suggested that he's doing what he always does on the effort front, just not bringing any of the good stuff..... so far.

I'm pretty sure Gray won't tolerate passengers. Youan started one game and was removed at half time, he's come on for 25 minutes in another. He's not a player for running around and chasing everything, we have guys like the Caddens and Campbell for that. We also have strong competition for the wide berths in our side.

If Youan wants to play his way towards a good move, he will need to improve, no arguments there. I'm not concerned as such just now though, I might be if he remains gash after another four-five games.

If you are going to press the opposition, all 11 players must contribute. Not just the caddens and Campbell's. 1 passenger ****s the whole thing.

[superfurryhibby]

If you are going to press the opposition, all 11 players must contribute. Not just the caddens and Campbell's. 1 passenger ****s the whole thing.

How many games do we play where we do need to press the opposition? Most games I go to (Easter Road) involve the opposition sitting deep, looking to hit on the counter attack. It goes without saying that Youan will need to work and track back when required. As I said, less than 90 minutes of football whilst recovering from injury isn't much to go by. I think there's an element of unnecessary criticism being aimed at Youan by some.

[Tyler Durden]

How many games do we play where we do need to press the opposition? Most games I go to (Easter Road) involve the opposition sitting deep, looking to hit on the counter attack. It goes without saying that Youan will need to work and track back when required. As I said, less than 90 minutes of football whilst recovering from injury isn't much to go by. I think there's an element of unnecessary criticism being aimed at Youan by some.

Every game.

Winning the ball in the opponent's half is something we need every single game. Youan can do it when he wants, as he showed in his best spell (IMO) in the final games of Lee Johnson's first season.

[MWHIBBIES]

How many games do we play where we do need to press the opposition? Most games I go to (Easter Road) involve the opposition sitting deep, looking to hit on the counter attack. It goes without saying that Youan will need to work and track back when required. As I said, less than 90 minutes of football whilst recovering from injury isn't much to go by. I think there's an element of unnecessary criticism being aimed at Youan by some.

Literally every match. Every one, we benefit from pressing the opposition and working as a team.

[superfurryhibby]

Literally every match. Every one, we benefit from pressing the opposition and working as a team.


Winning the ball back from an opponent is a basic football premise, as is team work and hard graft, it kind of goes without saying really. I think I've stated that already and Youan isn't exempt from it.

Perhaps, I'm a bit confused by terminology, I think of pressing as one of the modern tactical trends and the myriad of descriptions applied to them. There are a whole host of approaches involving playing variations on the pressing game.

I should stick to my point that some of the depictions of Youan on this thread are a bit harsh at this stage in his recovery from injury and that we might get a better idea of his form and commitment after he's played more than 90 minutes of league football?

[LaMotta]

Winning the ball back from an opponent is a basic football premise, as is team work and hard graft, it kind of goes without saying really. I think I've stated that already and Youan isn't exempt from it.

Perhaps, I'm a bit confused by terminology, I think of pressing as one of the modern tactical trends and the myriad of descriptions applied to them. There are a whole host of approaches involving playing variations on the pressing game.

I should stick to my point that some of the depictions of Youan on this thread are a bit harsh at this stage in his recovery from injury and that we might get a better idea of his form and commitment after he's played more than 90 minutes of league football?

People are just commenting on the evidence to date. If he up's his work rate from now (which hopefully he will) that wont change the fact he hasn't worked as hard as he could of so far (in many people's opinions). I don't think that assessment to date is harsh by any means - just a realistic assessment of what has gone on.

[LaMotta]

Every game.

Winning the ball in the opponent's half is something we need every single game. Youan can do it when he wants, as he showed in his best spell (IMO) in the final games of Lee Johnson's first season.


Literally every match. Every one, we benefit from pressing the opposition and working as a team.

:agree::agree: There were a number of times on Sunday where he could and should have been helping teammates by doubling up and trying to get a foot in when Rangers were attacking. Basic stuff that amateur managers preach but he wasn't even attempting to help out. You don't have to be match sharp to be doing that basic kind of work.

Maeda when his team is six nil up has to be the benchmark for anyone who wants to really progress in the game:

(1) x - GrandOLTeam on X: "HOLY MAEDA! 6-0 up in the 86th minute and he chases this down. How can you not love this guy? https://t.co/S722ZO3ysA" / X (https://x.com/JBLuvsCeltic/status/1840303540541239589)

[Brizo]

I'm neither here nor there on Youan but there's no doubt he appears to me and many others it seems that he ambles about the pitch looking a bit lost when we don't have the ball.

He rarely appears busy & switched on, often seems unaware of who he should be marking or where opposing players are.

Compare with most other players in the team today who were racing around, trying to close players down. I can absolutely see why fans would be frustrated by his body language - hasn't impressed the past few games.

He has the talent but he needs to bring the hard work or fans will rightly call it out.

Very much where I am with him.

Lack of match fitness and lack of effort are two different things and for me his last two appearances have fallen into that latter category. If he wants to impress potential buyers and get a move it's up to him to show them the player he can be.

[superfurryhibby]

People are just commenting on the evidence to date. If he up's his work rate from now (which hopefully he will) that wont change the fact he hasn't worked as hard as he could of so far (in many people's opinions). I don't think that assessment to date is harsh by any means - just a realistic assessment of what has gone on.

Fair enough, I don't think a dire 1st half v St Johnston on his return from injury ( in what was an abject display from the whole team) and a 25 minute cameo v Rangers is much to base anything on really.

Hibs need Youan to be functioning effectively. He was one of most potent players and our most sellable asset. We need him to re-capture the level of performance that supposedly had teams willing to pay a decent transfer fee for him.

Lack of work rate has been something often levelled at him during his time at ER. So far in his Hibs career, his talent and overall contribution has far outweighed any negatives, perceived laziness, lack of game awareness or whatever criticism levelled at him.

It'll be interesting to see what pans out over the next half dozen or so games or so.

[Smartie]

I don't think he looks like there's much wrong with his attitude or application - or certainly not worse than it's been at any other point during his time with us. He's been hot and cold, interested in tracking back at times and totally disinterested at others from the moment he arrived. Just a temperamental sort of player.

He looks miles short of fitness to me though, whether it's general fitness or match sharpness. He just doesn't look as physically or mentally as quick as he's been in the past and he needs to recapture that fast.

Youan needs to be a bit careful. He's only going to get a move somewhere "better" than us if he does well for us, and there's an awful lot out there "worse" than us. If he's going to get a move that makes him any happier he's going to have to do a bit of knuckling down over the next few months.

I thought some of the figures being spoken for him over the summer were ridiculously fanciful for a player who is actually pretty pish most of the time, albeit one who has the potential to be quite staggeringly good with a few tweaks and a bit of screwing the nut.

[LaMotta]

Fair enough, I don't think a dire 1st half v St Johnston on his return from injury ( in what was an abject display from the whole team) and a 25 minute cameo v Rangers is much to base anything on really.

Hibs need Youan to be functioning effectively. He was one of most potent players and our most sellable asset. We need him to re-capture the level of performance that supposedly had teams willing to pay a decent transfer fee for him.

Lack of work rate has been something often levelled at him during his time at ER. So far in his Hibs career, his talent and overall contribution has far outweighed any negatives, perceived laziness, lack of game awareness or whatever criticism levelled at him.

It'll be interesting to see what pans out over the next half dozen or so games or so.

Will def agree on that:aok:

[LaMotta]

Well given that Youan couldn't even get on the pitch today when we are losing at home with 10 men, I think its safe to say that David Gray agreed with a lot of posters and wasn't particularly impressed with his work rate over the last two games.

Mad though when you think about it - Only Hibs can have a player we turned down £2m + offers for whilst at the same time he isn't actually worthy of getting on the pitch.

[Unseen work]

Well given that Youan couldn't even get on the pitch today when we are losing at home with 10 men, I think its safe to say that David Gray agreed with a lot of posters and wasn't particularly impressed with his work rate over the last two games.

Mad though when you think about it - Only Hibs can have a player we turned down £2m + offers for whilst at the same time he isn't actually worthy of getting on the pitch.

Did we actually reject any formal offers? I struggling believing it

[flash]

Well given that Youan couldn't even get on the pitch today when we are losing at home with 10 men, I think its safe to say that David Gray agreed with a lot of posters and wasn't particularly impressed with his work rate over the last two games.

Mad though when you think about it - Only Hibs can have a player we turned down £2m + offers for whilst at the same time he isn't actually worthy of getting on the pitch.
More fool him then.

Putting McKirdy on before Elie is starting to verge towards trolling.

[LaMotta]

Did we actually reject any formal offers? I struggling believing it

It does seem hard to believe, but was def reported widely in May:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cg331l072rxo

https://www.thenational.scot/sport/24351255.hibernian-receive-2-5m-bid-star-player-club-weigh-offer/

[eastmainsmsh]

Le Sulk great when on it and up for it but really starting to question Youans attitude

[Hiber-nation]

He wasn't even doing his warm up properly. Putting on McKirdy did seem ridiculous but Elie just doesn't look interested in playing for us.

[LaMotta]

More fool him then.

Putting McKirdy on before Elie is starting to verge towards trolling.

Still have no idea why we didn't sell him for that kind of money. Mad decision making.

But given he is still here, Gray has to get him back in the team and playing well. If he can't then it will probably cost him his job.

[flash]

Still have no idea why we didn't sell him for that kind of money. Mad decision making.

But given he is still here, Gray has to get him back in the team and playing well. If he can't then it will probably cost him his job.

Absolutely.

[Hibees1973]

Penny for Elie Youan's thoughts tonight.

Gray brought on Molotnikov (18 years old), Gayle (34 years old) & McKirdy (recently back from heart problems), but not Youan today.

Humiliating for him. Surely he must be fit to play if he was on the bench, but three hugely significant decisions from Gray. No matter how Elie has been playing, I don't think any of us would have put all these three players on ahead of Youan when we need a goal.

Wonder how this will go now. Will Elie go in the cream puff. Or will he knuckle down and consistently show the ability we all know he has.

[B.H.F.C]

Youan has his faults. He was terrible last week. But I’d have had him on in that second half. Gray not interested in taking a risk and would rather plod along with someone like Chris Cadden. I’d have thought about getting him on at half time but certainly had him on after the equaliser. We should have really went for it at that point.

[wookie70]

I wouldn't have had him on at 1-1 but he should have featured when we went behind. He only has himself to blame for not getting more time. He should be looking at Juniors work rate as if he could replicate that he would be a rich young guy