Al Fayed

[cabbageandribs1875]

i know died last year, i didn't realise he was a sexual terrorist Mohamed Al Fayed accused of rape by female ex-Harrods staff - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz6x635wpjxo) understandable but it's a shame the little beast never faced justice

Five women say they were raped by former Harrods boss Mohamed Al Fayed when they worked at the luxury London department store.

The BBC has heard testimony from more than 20 female ex-employees who say the billionaire, who died last year aged 94, sexually assaulted or raped them.
The documentary and podcast - Al-Fayed: Predator at Harrods - gathered evidence that, during Fayed’s ownership, Harrods not only failed to intervene, but helped cover up abuse allegations.

[J-C]

i know died last year, i didn't realise he was a sexual terrorist Mohamed Al Fayed accused of rape by female ex-Harrods staff - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz6x635wpjxo) understandable but it's a shame the little beast never faced justice

Five women say they were raped by former Harrods boss Mohamed Al Fayed when they worked at the luxury London department store.

The BBC has heard testimony from more than 20 female ex-employees who say the billionaire, who died last year aged 94, sexually assaulted or raped them.
The documentary and podcast - Al-Fayed: Predator at Harrods - gathered evidence that, during Fayed’s ownership, Harrods not only failed to intervene, but helped cover up abuse allegations.

All a bit late is it not, the dead can't answer accusations in the dock.

[Stairway 2 7]

All a bit late is it not, the dead can't answer accusations.

I'll Watch the documentary before answering blind on this case but the same happened with Saville. Many women don't report assaults as the conviction rates are pitiful, add in accusing well connected people in power and it could seem useless. Me too showed women felt empowered when a number come out against the beasts.

[Pretty Boy]

All a bit late is it not, the dead can't answer accusations.

It feels very similar to the Savile case.

The risk the women faced in making an accusations when Al Fayed was in a position of power and influence over them is hard to imagine. He was a very well connected man, another who rubbed shoulders with royalty, prominent politicians and the odd media mogul. Any accuser could well have seen their reputation destroyed. There also seems a clear accusation he was using the entire institution of Harrod's as a weapon.

It's easy to say they should have come forward at the time but he was their boss, he could have destroyed their careers and he was an oft seen figure on light entertainment TV at the time of the alleged offences. I'd have felt pretty powerless against that too.

[JimBHibees]

All a bit late is it not, the dead can't answer accusations.

Exactly what I was thinking

[J-C]

I'll Watch the documentary before answering blind on this case but the same happened with Saville. Many women don't report assaults as the conviction rates are pitiful, add in accusing well connected people in power and it could seem useless. Me too showed women felt empowered when a number come out against the beasts.

I get all that, I'd just like to see these nasty *******s get their comeuppance when they're alive, once dead it's all just about showing them up for what they are, people in power will always be tempted to abuse their power, happens world wide.

[Berwickhibby]

Al Fayed had his own personal security, within the store his security staff ran the place robustly. Police were not allowed to enter the store in uniform. I got a ticking off from a senior officer for giving his driver a ticket for going through a no entry ⛔️ sign and was uninterested that he was his driver and in my report I described him as shopkeeper.

[lapsedhibee]

Al Fayed had his own personal security, within the store his security staff ran the place robustly. Police were not allowed to enter the store in uniform. I got a ticking off from a senior officer for giving his driver a ticket for going through a no entry ⛔️ sign and was uninterested that he was his driver and in my report I described him as shopkeeper.

Strong hints in the BBC film of corruption in the Met.

[Berwickhibby]

Strong hints in the BBC film of corruption in the Met.

Possibly at a much higher level, possibly at NSY, the majority at Chelsea Police Station could not abide Harrods security and there was no love lost.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i'll watch soon but i read this on the beeb

The closest he came to being uncovered appears to have been in October 2008, when he was questioned over allegations made by a girl who he first met when she was 14.
Ellie - not her real name - told the BBC that Fayed personally offered to secure her a job despite her still being a teenager, and she started working at Harrods when she had just turned 15.
She recounted how in May 2008 she was told to go to the Harrods boardroom, where she said she was attacked by Fayed.
"He started...hugging me and [getting] touchy feely, and rubbing himself against me, and then he just grabbed my face and tried to... put his tongue in my mouth.
"I mentioned that I was 15, and [said] 'what are you doing?', and he said I was turning into a beautiful woman and grabbed my chest."
She said Fayed flew into a rage and started screaming at her when she pushed him off.
Ellie went to the police and Fayed was questioned by detectives - news which became public in October 2008.


also

Keir Starmer was head of the Crown Prosecution Service in 2009 when its lawyers decided not to charge the Egyptian-born businessman over claims that he sexually assaulted a 15-year-old schoolgirl the previous year,

[J-C]

Watched it last night and was sickened by the corruption in the police and hierarchy that nothing was done, similar to Savile, all hushed up and nothing done. These people disgust me, leading a life of fame and power, abusing people because of who they are and only when they die do we hear everything they've done. The police and politicians should be ashamed of themselves for allowing another predator to walk free for so many years, as I said in my earlier post it's a bit late as he can't be in the dock answering the allegations.

[Brummie_Hibs]

A good deflection that the BBC are doing this, just as there was a spotlight on the BBC and their own sex pest

[Stairway 2 7]

A good deflection that the BBC are doing this, just as there was a spotlight on the BBC and their own sex pest

It's clearly taken months to make the documentary it's very thorough and great journalism. On the iplayer after I watched the Fayed doc Huw then Edwards the fall from grace, a BBC documentary on Edwards crimes came on autoplay

[Viva_Palmeiras]

No watched but listened to some othe the BBC reports.if proven his behaviour is liellly not confined the Harrods.

So would bring his conduct in Fulham under scrutiny.
Hopefully not implicating folks there too.

[Berwickhibby]

Watched it last night and was sickened by the corruption in the police and hierarchy that nothing was done, similar to Savile, all hushed up and nothing done. These people disgust me, leading a life of fame and power, abusing people because of who they are and only when they die do we hear everything they've done. The police and politicians should be ashamed of themselves for allowing another predator to walk free for so many years, as I said in my earlier post it's a bit late as he can't be in the dock answering the allegations.

That should be sickened by the Crown Prosecution Service, who decided not to prosecute after a police investigation provided enough evidence to charge but was deemed, not in the public interest.

[Bostonhibby]

That should be sickened by the Crown Prosecution Service, who decided not to prosecute after a police investigation provided enough evidence to charge but was deemed, not in the public interest.Perhaps they weren't the quickest when it came to prosecuting but to lay this one at the police's door seems unfair from what I've seen so far.

Another well connected figure seems to have been able to get away with what many less connected never would have, and for longer.

The lawyers helping this creepy little man draw up NDA's knowing what they were helping him cover up need to take a good look at themselves.

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[lapsedhibee]

That should be sickened by the Crown Prosecution Service, who decided not to prosecute after a police investigation provided enough evidence to charge but was deemed, not in the public interest.

The fifteen year old gave her phone to polis to check for evidence. When she got it back, the phone was wiped. Would that have been the CPS? :dunno:

[Berwickhibby]

The fifteen year old gave her phone to polis to check for evidence. When she got it back, the phone was wiped. Would that have been the CPS? :dunno:

The phone would have been sent to a Home Office lab for downloading, there would be a chain of custody of who had the phone and who accessed the data… so I don’t know who would have wiped it.

[blackpoolhibs]

The phone would have been sent to a Home Office lab for downloading, there would be a chain of custody of who had the phone and who accessed the data… so I don’t know who would have wiped it.

Surely the evidence taken from the phone would be documented somewhere in the home office lab, or am i being a tad naive?

Just watching this documentary now, and going by what these women are saying, and men, it's clear he thought his power, money and fear could let him do what he wanted.

[Berwickhibby]

Surely the evidence taken from the phone would be documented somewhere in the home office lab, or am i being a tad naive?

Just watching this documentary now, and going by what these women are saying, and men, it's clear he thought his power, money and fear could let him do what he wanted.

Yes it would, the police only get the phone back if there is a criminal trial as an exhibit or to return to the owner. There is a print produced by the lab of the data for evidence. I hasten to add under disclosure rules this phone could also be sent to Al Fayed’s defence team to have it examined by their own lab.

[blackpoolhibs]

Yes it would, the police only get the phone back if there is a criminal trial as an exhibit or to return to the owner. There is a print produced by the lab of the data for evidence. I hasten to add under disclosure rules this phone could also be sent to Al Fayed’s defence team to have it examined by their own lab.
:aok:

[wookie70]

Al Fayed had his own personal security, within the store his security staff ran the place robustly. Police were not allowed to enter the store in uniform. I got a ticking off from a senior officer for giving his driver a ticket for going through a no entry ⛔️ sign and was uninterested that he was his driver and in my report I described him as shopkeeper. Did you report the senior officer

[Bristolhibby]

The fifteen year old gave her phone to polis to check for evidence. When she got it back, the phone was wiped. Would that have been the CPS? :dunno:

Jesus! That’s terrible.

Not related but similar. Our youngest was born with a hole in his heart. He was supposed to have a full check before babies are released from hospital.

Weeks later when he was losing weight we went in to have some tests done, handed in his red medical book that all babies have. When we got it back the page where the pre exit checks are done at birth (which was clearly not filled in) was ripped out.

Talk about power covering their backs. We of course couldn’t prove that the page had been ripped out by them. We just trusted them as health professionals.

Terrible.

J

[Keith_M]

Isn't it amazing that the disgusting acts of the famous and well connected are only ever made public after their death.

There were multiple complaints made to the police while this disgusting piece of **** was still alive but no action ever taken.

Same with Saville... and I expect the same will be going on with others still alive that we won't be hearing about until they've died.

[lapsedhibee]

Isn't it amazing that the disgusting acts of the famous and well connected are only ever made public after their death.

There were multiple complaints made to the police while this disgusting piece of **** was still alive but no action ever taken.

Same with Saville... and I expect the same will be going on with others still alive that we won't be hearing about until they've died.

Only The Royals are powerful enough to survive their disgusting acts being made public while they're alive.

[Berwickhibby]

Did you report the senior officer

I did to my Fed Rep…. Got a half hearted apology with the usual “you misunderstood what I meant”

[Keith_M]

Only The Royals are powerful enough to survive their disgusting acts being made public while they're alive.


Actually that's true.

How is Prince Andrew these days?

[Hibrandenburg]

Actually that's true.

How is Prince Andrew these days?

I was talking to my Feldwebel and we were contemplating whether there are similar cases of men abusing their power over here like we've seen in the UK, we couldn't think of any immediate cases and came to the conclusion that maybe the class system in the UK plays a large role in these beasts feeling safe inside the system. Even if they're not born within the higher echelons of British Society, once they're in, they will be granted the same immunity.

[JimBHibees]

I was talking to my Feldwebel and we were contemplating whether there are similar cases of men abusing their power over here like we've seen in the UK, we couldn't think of any immediate cases and came to the conclusion that maybe the class system in the UK plays a large role in these beasts feeling safe inside the system. Even if they're not born within the higher echelons of British Society, once they're in, they will be granted the same immunity.

Seems to be the case

[Stairway 2 7]

I was talking to my Feldwebel and we were contemplating whether there are similar cases of men abusing their power over here like we've seen in the UK, we couldn't think of any immediate cases and came to the conclusion that maybe the class system in the UK plays a large role in these beasts feeling safe inside the system. Even if they're not born within the higher echelons of British Society, once they're in, they will be granted the same immunity.

Report in DW an estimated 9000 children were abused in the German protestant church, that's men abusing their power at a systematic scale. I think everywhere people have power in history in every nation there has been sexual abuse, theproblem is getting proof for the abused. There isn't the class system in America but the metoo movement showed widespread abuse, that was also just about power. Some men abuse power and yes they will do it more if they feel safe with the protection of celebrity, job title, royal title, church title

In saying that I think around half of all sexual abuse of children happens in the home. There is just a proportion of men that are abhorrent.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/germany-report-outlines-sexual-abuse-in-protestant-church/a-68080842

[Hibrandenburg]

Report in DW an estimated 9000 children were abused in the German protestant church, that's men abusing their power at a systematic scale. I think everywhere people have power in history in every nation there has been sexual abuse, theproblem is getting proof for the abused. There isn't the class system in America but the metoo movement showed widespread abuse, that was also just about power. Some men abuse power and yes they will do it more if they feel safe with the protection of celebrity, job title, royal title, church title

In saying that I think around half of all sexual abuse of children happens in the home. There is just a proportion of men that are abhorrent.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/germany-report-outlines-sexual-abuse-in-protestant-church/a-68080842

I think you're missing the point, sexual abuse in all it's forms is a plague world wide. What's different here is that is that it's an open secret and one echelon in our society close ranks to protect the perpetrators.

As for the US, well I'd class their Hollywood elite as their royalty or at least an upper-class.

[Stairway 2 7]

I think you're missing the point, sexual abuse in all it's forms is a plague world wide. What's different here is that is that it's an open secret and one echelon in our society close ranks to protect the perpetrators.

As for the US, well I'd class their Hollywood elite as their royalty or at least an upper-class.

I disagree it's about class it's about power as all sexual abuse is. People have closed ranks all over to protect beasts and reputations, Catholic church, boy scouts, children's homes the world over. Pick a country type the name then sexual abuse cover up and I'll bet you get some. I swear I randomly just searched Lithuania and there is an MP that got tipped off by police of an investigation and he hid behind mp immunity, a children's home abuse cover up, the church as per and a report saying there is no system for supporting sexual abuse. That's the top 4 in Google. You've probably just heard of the British cases because you read the British news?

[Hibrandenburg]

I disagree it's about class it's about power as all sexual abuse is. People have closed ranks all over to protect beasts and reputations, Catholic church, boy scouts, children's homes the world over. Pick a country type the name then sexual abuse cover up and I'll bet you get some. I swear I randomly just searched Lithuania and there is an MP that got tipped off by police of an investigation and he hid behind mp immunity, a children's home abuse cover up, the church as per and a report saying there is no system for supporting sexual abuse. That's the top 4 in Google. You've probably just heard of the British cases because you read the British news?

The class system in the UK was born out of power and the desire to keep hold of that power. I'll agree that on an individual level that sexual abuse is about power but in the UK we have a class system where the upper class see the lower class as commodities to be used and utilised. That mindset comes with consequences.

[Stairway 2 7]

The class system in the UK was born out of power and the desire to keep hold of that power. I'll agree that on an individual level that sexual abuse is about power but in the UK we have a class system where the upper class see the lower class as commodities to be used and utilised. That mindset comes with consequences.

Every nation has a class system even those that say they don't like communist countries. Dozens of nations have monarchy, hundreds of nations have religion at the top and some nowadays have celebrity like you say with America. I didn't know about Lithuania but it appears politicians and church is the power that see the lower class as commodities. I'd bet every nation has their cases, it's ridiculous to think the UK is exceptional imo

[JimBHibees]

Yes it would, the police only get the phone back if there is a criminal trial as an exhibit or to return to the owner. There is a print produced by the lab of the data for evidence. I hasten to add under disclosure rules this phone could also be sent to Al Fayed’s defence team to have it examined by their own lab.

Surely it wouldn’t be normal for the phone to be wiped.

[Berwickhibby]

Surely it wouldn’t be normal for the phone to be wiped.

Very strange that there was not data on the phone when returned

[JimBHibees]

Very strange that there was not data on the phone when returned

Yes tended to think that.

[Berwickhibby]

According to Sky …on five occasions the Met submitted files of evidence to the CPS, which was refused.

[cabbageandribs1875]

more than 100 people suing rapper sean diddy combs for sexual assault, Rape, and sexual exploitation, some of the alleged victims include minors as young as nine years old.


Erica Wolff, a lawyer representing Mr Combs, said the rapper "emphatically and categorically" denies the allegations, saying they are "false and defamatory"

Mr Combs was arrested last week and is facing criminal charges of racketeering and sex trafficking. He is currently in federal custody after he was denied bail, which he is appealing.
He has denied all allegations of criminal wrongdoing.

[cabbageandribs1875]

the list gets longer, there's bound to have been men/women that realised what he was doing and not one wanted to risk his/her job :bitchy: quite astonishing Mohamed Al Fayed: 65 more women tell BBC of abuse, stretching back to 1970s - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9wkqrn58w9o)

[lapsedhibee]

the list gets longer, there's bound to have been men/women that realised what he was doing and not one wanted to risk his/her job :bitchy: quite astonishing Mohamed Al Fayed: 65 more women tell BBC of abuse, stretching back to 1970s - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9wkqrn58w9o)

I'd have sworn that Cole bloke would have had an inkling, but he says no, he didn't. :fibber:

[cabbageandribs1875]

I'd have sworn that Cole bloke would have had an inkling, but he says no, he didn't. :fibber:


add another 40 allegations to the list Police record 40 new allegations against Mohamed Al Fayed - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0kj2vkjn58o)

[cabbageandribs1875]

Bianca Gascoigne the latest Bianca Gascoigne accuses Mohamed Al Fayed of grooming - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj040p5yg9zo)

250 now in the process of claiming compensation

250 and not one spoke out until he was dead

[McD]

Bianca Gascoigne the latest Bianca Gascoigne accuses Mohamed Al Fayed of grooming - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj040p5yg9zo)

250 now in the process of claiming compensation

250 and not one spoke out until he was dead



21 spoke out when he was alive


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8egz8gr8lo

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Bianca Gascoigne the latest Bianca Gascoigne accuses Mohamed Al Fayed of grooming - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj040p5yg9zo)

250 now in the process of claiming compensation

250 and not one spoke out until he was dead

so appears that folks did speak out - there was an action in progress and the woman bravely recounted her story on Ch4 News - it’s not clear if those that spoke out were amongst those 250.

to me it underlines the power and influence that these beasts wield.

What’s your take?

with the powerful drama “I could destroy you” based on a real life experience and documentaries around guys that go out and follow women who are walking back alone. Harassment, drinks spiking, abuse and beyond. There’s a level as blokes we just don’t see the full picture or have to contend with to the same extent.

Right minded guys (I’d hope the majority of us!) can help being more aware and to speak out against those creeps. And for us with kids bring them with these things in mind at the appropriate time they can shape the future.