Boyd

[James70]

Kris Boyd on Sky Sports saying the St Johnstone sending off at the weekend was harsh and the Hibs player made the most of it. Once a H** always a H**.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Kris Boyd on Sky Sports saying the St Johnstone sending off at the weekend was harsh and the Hibs player made the most of it. Once a H** always a H**.

I’m not sure about Obita ‘making the most of it’ as such, he’s done what every other player would do, but I’d agree it was on the harsh side imo.

[nonshinyfinish]

Various posters on here thought it was harsh, and on Hibs TV Marvin Bartley's comments were virtually the same as your description of what Boyd said.

I did think it was a red, but Boyd's view is hardly controversial.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Various posters on here thought it was harsh, and on Hibs TV Marvin Bartley's comments were virtually the same as your description of what Boyd said.

I did think it was a red, but Boyd's view is hardly controversial.

Not dissimilar to the one on Miller at Killie (I think). Depends on what the referee gives at the time - VAR won’t get involved.

[Donegal Hibby]

I’m not sure about Obita ‘making the most of it’ as such, he’s done what every other player would do, but I’d agree it was on the harsh side imo.

I thought it was reckless and dangerous and the right decision. I could near guarantee if had happened to a hun player Boyd would be shouting for a red card on it all day long .

[Paulie Walnuts]

I thought it was reckless and dangerous and the right decision. I could near guarantee if had happened to a hun player Boyd would be shouting for a red card on it all day long .

Not for me. Not sure he makes any contact with Obita and it’s more of an attempt to block the clearance than clatter the player.

As we all know, the rules aren’t the same for Rangers, so I wouldn’t use ‘Rangers rules’ as an example when they’re not involved in the game.

[Pretty Boy]

You can't jump in like that in the modern game. If Obita doesn't jump out the way then it's a sore one. Players aren't obliged to wait for contact to ensure a tackle is a foul and nor should they be. Contact (and playing the ball) is largely irrelevant when assessing the nature of a challenge. The biggest driver for a red is he is out of control, once he committed to the challenge there was no way he could reduce his momentum and pull out of it.

The players previous conduct has probably counted against him as well. He had been at it all day; initiating contact when there was no need, squaring up to people, pushing and shoving etc etc. If the ref wasn't quite sure how to view it then considering the player had been aggressive all day probably tipped him towards deliberate attempt to take the player rather than trying to block the ball and somehow finding himself lunging at a player straight legged.

[MWHIBBIES]

It's not because he's a Hun. He was a thick **** long before joining Rangers

[Bostonhibby]

A mouthpiece who doesn't understand the rules as they are applied to everyone other than his beloved huns. Thicker than a thick thing at it's thickest.

The guy doesn't have to make contact, if the ref feels he is out of control with his feet off the ground it's a red, it's a deterrent for the potential career ending challenge when contact is made.

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[Carheenlea]

A Hibs win always angers the right people.

Excellent stuff from “Boydy”

[oneone73]

It's not because he's a Hun. He was a thick **** long before joining Rangers

Pretty sure he was a Hun before he joined The Rangers

[Donegal Hibby]

Not for me. Not sure he makes any contact with Obita and it’s more of an attempt to block the clearance than clatter the player.

As we all know, the rules aren’t the same for Rangers, so I wouldn’t use ‘Rangers rules’ as an example when they’re not involved in the game.

I don’t think it matters much if it’s an attempt to block the ball or not , If a tackle is deemed reckless/ dangerous it is a red card offence which I think it was as did some of the other Hibs players going by their reaction after it . The saints player just lost the plot due to not getting any joy against our defenders .

Rules should be the same for everyone though which brings us to Kris Boyd’s comments in it wasn’t a red yet if it was his team it happened to he’d probably have a very different opinion on it … just a hun who doesn’t like Hibs with a biased opinion IMO .

[Trinity Hibee]

Even levein accepted when you go in off the ground with that aggression you are asking for trouble

[Pete70]

I thought the tackle by Nbada on Miller at Killie was worse and he only got a yellow.

[Onceinawhile]

You can't jump in like that in the modern game. If Obita doesn't jump out the way then it's a sore one. Players aren't obliged to wait for contact to ensure a tackle is a foul and nor should they be. Contact (and playing the ball) is largely irrelevant when assessing the nature of a challenge. The biggest driver for a red is he is out of control, once he committed to the challenge there was no way he could reduce his momentum and pull out of it.

The players previous conduct has probably counted against him as well. He had been at it all day; initiating contact when there was no need, squaring up to people, pushing and shoving etc etc. If the ref wasn't quite sure how to view it then considering the player had been aggressive all day probably tipped him towards deliberate attempt to take the player rather than trying to block the ball and somehow finding himself lunging at a player straight legged.

Thought the same, see if the ref had spoken to him, or given him a yellow earlier in the game? I don't think he makes that challenge.

[easty]

It wasn't worth a red card in my opinion. If the ref had only given a yellow card I don't think many folk would be talking about how it should've been a red.

[Winston Ingram]

It was a red all day long. Ticked every box.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don’t think it matters much if it’s an attempt to block the ball or not , If a tackle is deemed reckless/ dangerous it is a red card offence which I think it was as did some of the other Hibs players going by their reaction after it . The saints player just lost the plot due to not getting any joy against our defenders .

Rules should be the same for everyone though which brings us to Kris Boyd’s comments in it wasn’t a red yet if it was his team it happened to he’d probably have a very different opinion on it … just a hun who doesn’t like Hibs with a biased opinion IMO .

I don’t think it was reckless or dangerous as I don’t think he was ever catching Obita, so in that regard, it matters whether it’s an attempt to block the clearance or whether it’s an attempt to put in a challenge.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It wasn't worth a red card in my opinion. If the ref had only given a yellow card I don't think many folk would be talking about how it should've been a red.

:agree:

[LaMotta]

If Porteous V Aribo and Moriah Welsh on the hun last year were reds then Saturday's has to be a red.

Without checking I can be confident Boyd thought both of those were correct reds.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Given that the sending off had absolutely no impact on the game, saying that it was the wrong call is perhaps his only "look at me " opportunity.

[Donegal Hibby]

I don’t think it was reckless or dangerous as I don’t think he was ever catching Obita, so in that regard, it matters whether it’s an attempt to block the clearance or whether it’s an attempt to put in a challenge.

NMW was sent off for an attempt to block the ball too , he didn’t actually catch the Sevco player in the initial challenge.

It’s reckless because he’s not getting the ball and dangerous because he goes in studs up at a height that is deemed dangerous also .

There’s another aspect of this in Levein doesn’t complain about it and says his players been silly also stating he apologised to his teammates .. if there was any doubt about it , Levein would have almost certainly complained post match , he didn’t though .

https://www.bbc.com/sport/articles/c8djp7d5280o

[Paulie Walnuts]

NMW was sent off for an attempt to block the ball too , he didn’t actually catch the Sevco player in the initial challenge.

It’s reckless because he’s not getting the ball and dangerous because he goes in studs up at a height that is deemed dangerous also .

There’s another aspect of this in Levein doesn’t complain about it and says his players been silly also stating he apologised to his teammates .. if there was any doubt about it , Levein would have almost certainly complained post match , he didn’t though .

https://www.bbc.com/sport/articles/c8djp7d5280o

I don’t think NMW did try and block the ball. It was two footed, he was nowhere near it and made contact with Lundstram.

Levein can think what he wants, as can you, as can Kris Boyd. I don’t think it was a red, regardless of what side of the fence they all fall on.

[CockneyRebel]

Kris Boyd on Sky Sports saying the St Johnstone sending off at the weekend was harsh and the Hibs player made the most of it. Once a H** always a H**.
Why pick on Obita, most players do this. Not sure they all do it to get someone sent off, usually done just to make sure they get a foul for it. If it had happened to a Hun player do you think Boyd's narrative would have been the same? No chance!

[gbhibby]

Get Kris Boyd off ma telly

[Kato]

I don’t think NMW did try and block the ball. It was two footed, he was nowhere near it and made contact with Lundstram.

Levein can think what he wants, as can you, as can Kris Boyd. I don’t think it was a red, regardless of what side of the fence they all fall on.

So you don't like having rules in football.

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[Alfred E Newman]

It's not because he's a Hun. He was a thick **** long before joining Rangers

Classic social media post

[Donegal Hibby]

I don’t think NMW did try and block the ball. It was two footed, he was nowhere near it and made contact with Lundstram.

Levein can think what he wants, as can you, as can Kris Boyd. I don’t think it was a red, regardless of what side of the fence they all fall on.

NMW never caught Lundstram with the initial tackle as he was in front trying to block the ball , Lundstram done a very similar tackle on Doig I think and got away with it .

The tackle from the St Johnstone player was down to him seeing the red mist and was reckless and dangerous , the one Ndaba done was probably worse and also a red card offence which only goes to show the inconsistency we have in the game much like kris Boyd’s views on decisions that will alter wither you play in blue or green .

I think you and Boyd are in the minority on this one too .

[Paulie Walnuts]

So you don't like having rules in football.

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What?

[Paulie Walnuts]

NMW never caught Lundstram with the initial tackle as he was in front trying to block the ball , Lundstram done a very similar tackle on Doig I think and got away with it .

The tackle from the St Johnstone player was down to him seeing the red mist and was reckless and dangerous , the one Ndaba done was probably worse and also a red card offence which only goes to show the inconsistency we have in the game much like kris Boyd’s views on decisions that will alter wither you play in blue or green .

I think you and Boyd are in the minority on this one too .

He did catch Lundstram imo.

Again, I don’t think it was reckless or dangerous, I don’t think he was going to put a challenge in on the player, I think he was going to block the clearance. I don’t think he was going to catch Obita at any point.

We’ll have to agree to disagree. Whether I’m in the minority or not doesn’t bother me, I hold my opinion based on what I see, I don’t feel the need to just go with the majority.

[gbhibby]

He did catch Lundstram imo.

Again, I don’t think it was reckless or dangerous, I don’t think he was going to put a challenge in on the player, I think he was going to block the clearance. I don’t think he was going to catch Obita at any point.

We’ll have to agree to disagree. Whether I’m in the minority or not doesn’t bother me, I hold my opinion based on what I see, I don’t feel the need to just go with the majority.https://x.com/HibsObserver_/status/1766916726308868240?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1766916726308868240%7Ctwgr% 5Ec0ae2999c8f9cfa99593dc892f5dbeb404f486fb%7Ctwcon %5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rangersreview.co.uk%2Fne ws%2F24175507.rangers-boss-clement-furious-hibs-red-card-tackle%2F
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[Paulie Walnuts]

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Yup. His right foot makes contact imo.

[JimBHibees]

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Just reminds how totally corrupt that performance was by McLean should have just put the strip on to complete the full house

[Kato]

What?The guys foot was high, as in a foot and half off the ground as he jumped into a tackle. The fact thr Hibs player dodge the tackle is neither here nor there. Whether the player was trying to block the ball is neither here nor there. The law says red card for endangering an opponent.

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[Donegal Hibby]

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Makes you wonder how referees that are meant to be abiding by the same rules of the game can’t wait to punish one player yet another one who probably does a worse offence can escape any punishment , unfortunately the colour of the Jersey seems to alter the rules in matches…

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[Paulie Walnuts]

The guys foot was high, as in a foot and half off the ground as he jumped into a tackle. The fact thr Hibs player dodge the tackle is neither here nor there. Whether the player was trying to block the ball is neither here nor there. The law says red card for endangering an opponent.

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It absolutely is here or there. If the tackle is never making contact then it can’t be reckless or dangerous, much like a player can lift there feet to head height to control a ball when nobody is around but it becomes dangerous when you’re making contact with other players heads. In this case, he wasn’t endangering Obita imo.

[Pretty Boy]

It absolutely is here or there. If the tackle is never making contact then it can’t be reckless or dangerous, much like a player can lift there feet to head height to control a ball when nobody is around but it becomes dangerous when you’re making contact with other players heads. In this case, he wasn’t endangering Obita imo.

What would have happened if Obita never jumped out the way or 'made the most of it' as Boyd put it?

Should he have been obligated to stand there and take the full force of that challenge so the referee could justify the red card? If I drive straight over a roundabout without looking and another car takes evasive action in good time so there is no real likelihood of a collision does that mean my driving was neither dangerous or reckless?

[Kato]

It absolutely is here or there. If the tackle is never making contact then it can’t be reckless or dangerous, much like a player can lift there feet to head height to control a ball when nobody is around but it becomes dangerous when you’re making contact with other players heads. In this case, he wasn’t endangering Obita imo.Only because Obita moved out of the way of the tackle.

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[Paulie Walnuts]

What would have happened if Obita never jumped out the way or 'made the most of it' as Boyd put it?

Should he have been obligated to stand there and take the full force of that challenge so the referee could justify the red card? If I drive straight over a roundabout without looking and another car takes evasive action in good time so there is no real likelihood of a collision does that mean my driving was neither dangerous or reckless?

I don’t think he was ever making contact with Obita, whether he moves or not.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Only because Obita moved out of the way of the tackle.

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No, because it was never making contact with Obita whether he moved or not imo.

[Kato]

I don’t think he was ever making contact with Obita, whether he moves or not.Wow. Watch it again. If Obita doesn't take evasive action there is every chance he's taking the guys studs on his ankle.

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[Paulie Walnuts]

Wow. Watch it again. If Obita doesn't take evasive action there is every chance he's taking the guys studs on his ankle.

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I’ve watched it numerous times. There’s every chance he’s not taking the guys studs on his ankle imo.

[truehibernian]

A Hibs win always angers the right people.

Excellent stuff from “Boydy”

I’ve met Kris a few times and he’s always been complimentary of Hibs as a club and is actually a very good guy to talk football with off camera and a good laugh He’s wrong about the tackle at the weekend mind. You’ve just got to protect your wraps and sandwiches when he’s close by 😀

[Eyrie]

Wow. Watch it again. If Obita doesn't take evasive action there is every chance he's taking the guys studs on his ankle.

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You only need to see it once if you understand the rules.

It was late, dangerous, out of control and high. Apart from that, perfectly legal.

[Lago]

Never a red, yellow yes, red no.

[Kato]

I’ve watched it numerous times. There’s every chance he’s not taking the guys studs on his ankle imo.That'll be why he jumps out the way, a split second decision.

Yer blind, pal.

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[Paulie Walnuts]

That'll be why he jumps out the way, a split second decision.

Yer blind, pal.

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He also rolls around on the floor despite the fact you’ve acknowledged there’s no contact. He’s playing the game to make the ref make a decision.

[Kato]

He also rolls around on the floor despite the fact you’ve acknowledged there’s no contact. He’s playing the game to make the ref make a decision.

What has that got to do with the tackle?

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[Paulie Walnuts]

What has that got to do with the tackle?

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You’re trying to use his actions as proof that he would have taken a hit if he hadn’t moved his leg - “that’ll be why he jumped out the way.” Yet his actions in the exact same moment where he ‘feigned’ contact and rolled around pretending he was injured show us that he’s playing the ref to a degree and what he’s pretending happened isn’t necessarily what actually is happening.

[Trinity Hibee]

What has that got to do with the tackle?

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You do realise you can make a point and leave it there yeah? The constant digging folk out is tiresome. Someone has a different view point, move on.

[Kato]

You do realise you can make a point and leave it there yeah? The constant digging folk out is tiresome. Someone has a different view point, move on.It's a discussion board. The clue is in that sentence.

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[Kato]

You’re trying to use his actions as proof that he would have taken a hit if he hadn’t moved his leg - “that’ll be why he jumped out the way.” Yet his actions in the exact same moment where he ‘feigned’ contact and rolled around pretending he was injured show us that he’s playing the ref to a degree and what he’s pretending happened isn’t necessarily what actually is happening.

He jumped up in the air. Then afterwards he's on the floor. He wasn't feigning injury when he jumped he was avoiding it.

Avoiding the tackle by jumping then landing on the deck is just gravity at work.

Anyway I'll take Trinity's advice because you think the StJ player was no where near him. So it's useless pointing anything out.

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[Trinity Hibee]

It's a discussion board. The clue is in that sentence.

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You are the perfect example for having a daily post limit. Your first post on this thread proves my point. No sense of reasonable “discussion”

[Hiber-nation]

Never a red, yellow yes, red no.

That's how it should be but under today's rules he's justified in giving a red.

[Kato]

You are the perfect example for having a daily post limit.

Errm, no. I'm not.

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[Paulie Walnuts]

He jumped up in the air. Then afterwards he's on the floor. He wasn't feigning injury when he jumped he was avoiding it.

Avoiding the tackle by jumping then landing on the deck is just gravity at work.

Anyway I'll take Trinity's advice because you think the StJ player was no where near him. So it's useless pointing anything out.

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You’re not getting my point.

He feigns injury. He rolls around as if he’s been caught AFTER he lands despite the fact he hadn’t been caught. We both agree there wasn’t any contact yet he’s rolling around on the ground as if there was.

Essentially, what I’m saying is that Obita has shown in that moment that he’s willing to ‘cheat’ to make the ref make a decision, so I wouldn’t take the fact he moves his leg out the way as evidence of anything. Imo it’s just another part of the ‘cheating’ at play to make the ref make a decision.

And just to be clear, I’m using the term cheating loosely. Every other player would do the same, so I’ve no issue with it.

[gbhibby]

You’re not getting my point.

He feigns injury. He rolls around as if he’s been caught AFTER he lands despite the fact he hadn’t been caught. We both agree there wasn’t any contact yet he’s rolling around on the ground as if there was.

Essentially, what I’m saying is that Obita has shown in that moment that he’s willing to ‘cheat’ to make the ref make a decision, so I wouldn’t take the fact he moves his leg out the way as evidence of anything. Imo it’s just another part of the ‘cheating’ at play to make the ref make a decision.

And just to be clear, I’m using the term cheating loosely. Every other player would do the same, so I’ve no issue with it.

So did Lundstram

[Paulie Walnuts]

So did Lundstram

Imo NMW’s right foot makes contact.

[gbhibby]

Imo NMW’s right foot makes contact.

I thought that but from another camera angle shows different. Lundstram has feigned injury in just about every game I have watched us against them. Don't like it when players feign injury but unfortunately it's become part of the game.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I see Bobby Madden has done a review of the red in our game.

“Red card for SFP. Call me old fashioned but I prefer a yellow card. I’d like to see more contact for red. People will say, lunge, out of control etc, but it’s from the side and across the front of opponent and doesn’t endanger their safety. 71% want yellow but I’d suggest VAR would not intervene either way.”

Pretty much what I’ve argued. I’ve no idea where he has a figure of 71% (don’t know if runs polls on his social media or something?) and I’ve no idea what SFP is either but it shows that Kris Boyd’s opinion was hardly outlandish, it appears to be a strong majority opinion from the sample Madden has provided.

[Musselbound]

Get Kris Boyd off ma telly

I've no idea why anyone bothers to read what Boyd has to say or to get worked up about it. Is it Sky Sports he appears on? Glad I don't have it.

[nonshinyfinish]

I see Bobby Madden has done a review of the red in our game.

“Red card for SFP. Call me old fashioned but I prefer a yellow card. I’d like to see more contact for red. People will say, lunge, out of control etc, but it’s from the side and across the front of opponent and doesn’t endanger their safety. 71% want yellow but I’d suggest VAR would not intervene either way.”

Pretty much what I’ve argued. I’ve no idea where he has a figure of 71% (don’t know if runs polls on his social media or something?) and I’ve no idea what SFP is either but it shows that Kris Boyd’s opinion was hardly outlandish, it appears to be a strong majority opinion from the sample Madden has provided.

SFP is serious foul play

[Paulie Walnuts]

SFP is serious foul play

That makes sense, cheers :aok: knew it would end up being fairly obvious!

[Donegal Hibby]

I see Bobby Madden has done a review of the red in our game.

“Red card for SFP. Call me old fashioned but I prefer a yellow card. I’d like to see more contact for red. People will say, lunge, out of control etc, but it’s from the side and across the front of opponent and doesn’t endanger their safety. 71% want yellow but I’d suggest VAR would not intervene either way.”

Pretty much what I’ve argued. I’ve no idea where he has a figure of 71% (don’t know if runs polls on his social media or something?) and I’ve no idea what SFP is either but it shows that Kris Boyd’s opinion was hardly outlandish, it appears to be a strong majority opinion from the sample Madden has provided.

It definitely seems to have rattled a few huns up this one . Glad Madden isn’t refereeing anymore if it takes a player getting hurt for it to be a red , IMO the intent of it is enough in it’s reckless and dangerous.

[21.05.2016]

Boyd is yet another angry, bitter hun *******.

[lyonhibs]

Boyd is yet another angry, bitter hun *******.

Is there any other type post 2016??

[Carheenlea]

Is there any other type post 2016??

It’s a default setting.