Bowie Injury

[K-Zazu]

Injured for the Scotland u21s tonight hope it’s not too serious.

[dmc1875]

Someone posted on x last night he was injured with a hamstring. Thought it was rubbish when he started today, but wonder if he was carrying something and if so wtf are the u21s playing at

[Crab apple]

Someone posted on x last night he was injured with a hamstring. Thought it was rubbish when he started today, but wonder if he was carrying something and if so wtf are the u21s playing at

That is poor especially as we have been introducing him gradually as he apparently wasn't fully fit.

[Centre Hawf]

Someone posted on x last night he was injured with a hamstring. Thought it was rubbish when he started today, but wonder if he was carrying something and if so wtf are the u21s playing at

That account was a wind up for sure.

The injury doesn't look great tonight though.

[Heisenberg]

We’ve obviously decided he’s not been fully right to start games for us yet we’ve sent him away with Scotland and he’s started twice. Mental.

[Hibeesforever]

We’ve obviously decided he’s not been fully right to start games for us yet we’ve sent him away with Scotland and he’s started twice. Mental.

If that had happened then the football department is totally to blame...absolutely ridiculous, can't blame the owner for that. Why allow a player to go if injured.

[brianmc]

Eh..... Is the player not absolutely fine and you lot are commenting on social media troll post bollocks?


Edit: you all have access to the internet, so you could check before posting your outrage 🤔

[Heisenberg]

Eh..... Is the player not absolutely fine and you lot are commenting on social media troll post bollocks?


Edit: you all have access to the internet, so you could check before posting your outrage 🤔

Don’t you look silly

[MWHIBBIES]

International breaks are utterly crap.

[Rumble de Thump]

Don’t you look silly

To be fair, a few posts in and people were already giving credence to made up nonsense posted on social media.

[Rumble de Thump]

We’ve obviously decided he’s not been fully right to start games for us yet we’ve sent him away with Scotland and he’s started twice. Mental.

Aye. Mental that, as he wants match fit to play 90 minutes for us, we should want him to go and get more match fitness during the international break.

[K-Zazu]

International breaks are utterly crap.

I genuinely hate them, and international football.

[K-Zazu]

Eh..... Is the player not absolutely fine and you lot are commenting on social media troll post bollocks?


Edit: you all have access to the internet, so you could check before posting your outrage 🤔

He came off injured tonight?

[Hibeesforever]

Do we know why Bowie was subbed off after 37 minutes....?

[DinkyTwo]

So, is Bowie injured now? A quick google brings up nothing.

Terrible news if true

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[TrinityHFC]

Aye. Mental that, as he wants match fit to play 90 minutes for us, we should want him to go and get more match fitness during the international break.

It is also about managing the strain on the hamstring though. We have been trying to be careful with it so not ideal if it has reoccurred.

[Heisenberg]

Aye. Mental that, as he wants match fit to play 90 minutes for us, we should want him to go and get more match fitness during the international break.

I don’t see the sense in him not being fit enough to play more than 20/30 minutes for us off the bench but he goes to the 21s, starts and plays for an hour before also starting the next game five days later. Doesn’t seem like they were as keen to manage him in the same way the club were.

[brianmc]

Don’t you look silly

Do I?

Referencing a tweet from a fake journalist 2 days ago claiming Bowie was injured when Hibs signed him?

Q: what's his injury now, and what was his injury when he passed a medical at Hibs??

[Since452]

Fake news

[K-Zazu]

Fake news

He’s actually injured.

[B.H.F.C]

If that had happened then the football department is totally to blame...absolutely ridiculous, can't blame the owner for that. Why allow a player to go if injured.

The club can’t stop a player going away. It’s not up to them. There’s no blame on the club here.

[Heisenberg]

Do I?

Referencing a tweet from a fake journalist 2 days ago claiming Bowie was injured when Hibs signed him?

Q: what's his injury now, and what was his injury when he passed a medical at Hibs??

You were telling folk to use the internet when doing so yourself would tell you the player is actually injured. It’s been his hamstring all along and that’s what he went off with tonight.

[The Sundance Kid]

Do we know why Bowie was subbed off after 37 minutes....?

I watched the Scotland under 21 game on YouTube earlier and Bowie went down in the first half, holding his hamstring. Physios came on to give him treatment but he hobbled off and was replaced.

So regardless of whether the earlier Tweet was nonsense, he has now definitely got a hamstring injury.

[JohnM1875]

I watched the Scotland under 21 game on YouTube earlier and Bowie went down in the first half, holding his hamstring. Physios came on to give him treatment but he hobbled off and was replaced.

So regardless of whether the earlier Tweet was nonsense, he has now definitely got a hamstring injury.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXIWjGXW4AAoUTO?format=jpg&name=large

Pic from Twitter

[SteveHFC]

Still should have signed another striker.

[JohnM1875]

Still should have signed another striker.

No brainer for me. Aye, we have a few players that can cover there, but it's by no means their best position.

[Hibees1973]

This doesn't look good at all.

Was looking forward to Bowie starting on Saturday.

Hopefully not too bad, but any kind of hamstring pull is an absence of 4 weeks minimum.

[erin go bragh]

Thats all we need

[TrinityHFC]

Do I?

Referencing a tweet from a fake journalist 2 days ago claiming Bowie was injured when Hibs signed him?

Q: what's his injury now, and what was his injury when he passed a medical at Hibs??

It wasn’t a secret.

David Gray said this last week:

It’s now about balancing the risk. We’ve got one game before the international break.

Kieron is coming back from a bad hamstring injury at the back end of last season. So he hasn’t played much football, even though he’s done all his rehab.

There is always a temptation to play these players, especially when they’re feeling good and wanting to make an impact.

[Carheenlea]

As others have said, ridiculous to allow him to play for 21’s when his introduction to Hibs side has been managed with caution.

Should never have been released for International duty.

[TrinityHFC]

As others have said, ridiculous to allow him to play for 21’s when his introduction to Hibs side has been managed with caution.

Should never have been released for International duty.

Clubs don’t have a choice for competitive games so you can save your criticism of Hibs.

[JohnM1875]

As others have said, ridiculous to allow him to play for 21’s when his introduction to Hibs side has been managed with caution.

Should never have been released for International duty.

I don't disagree but if the player wants to go not much we can do about it. Bad look.

[CapitalGreen]

As others have said, ridiculous to allow him to play for 21’s when his introduction to Hibs side has been managed with caution.

Should never have been released for International duty.

The club don’t have the ability to prevent a player being called up during a recognised international window.

[Eyrie]

If Hibs have been managing his game time due to Bowie still recovering from a hamstring injury then surely the fault is with the Scotland U21 management for overplaying him?

[Col2]

As others have said, ridiculous to allow him to play for 21’s when his introduction to Hibs side has been managed with caution.

Should never have been released for International duty.

Makes me mad not fit enough to start for us but ok to start for U21

Boyle terrible up front and Youan not ready/recovered after 5 weeks out (2 weeks we were told). So one striker available for Saturday. Super.

[K-Zazu]

Makes me mad not fit enough to start for us but ok to start for U21

Boyle terrible up front and Youan not ready/recovered after 5 weeks out (2 weeks we were told). So one striker available for Saturday. Super.

We’ve got Mckirdy.

[Carheenlea]

The club don’t have the ability to prevent a player being called up during a recognised international window.


If Hibs have been managing his game time due to Bowie still recovering from a hamstring injury then surely the fault is with the Scotland U21 management for overplaying him?

100%

If he’s going to be missing for a number of weeks then maybe need to be speaking to the club lawyers and seeking compensation.

Scotland have been out of order here given the players injury rehabilitation that Hibs have been managing.

[JohnM1875]

We’ve got Mckirdy.

I mean, we do and I forgot all about him for obvious reasons. But he's another one who's game time we've had to manage (Rightly so I get why) so won't be anywhere near ready really.

[Hibees1973]

When things are not going well the situation is often compounded with instances such as this.

Would have expected common sense to prevail and that the sensible decision would have been to keep Bowie at East Mains for him to improve his fitness so he is in the position to start games for Hibs first.

Seems they have weighed up the risks, miscalculated and now we could be without Bowie for four weeks minimum if it is a hamstring injury.

This could have been easily avoided.

[SHODAN]

****ing ****ing **** **** **** off ****

[CapitalGreen]

100%

If he’s going to be missing for a number of weeks then maybe need to be speaking to the club lawyers and seeking compensation.

Scotland have been out of order here given the players injury rehabilitation that Hibs have been managing.

FIFA have a compensation mechanism to cover the salaries of players injured on international duty which the club will be entitled to receive.

[CapitalGreen]

When things are not going well the situation is often compounded with instances such as this.

Would have expected common sense to prevail and that the sensible decision would have been to keep Bowie at East Mains for him to improve his fitness so he is in the position to start games for Hibs first.

Seems they have weighed up the risks, miscalculated and now we could be without Bowie for four weeks minimum if it is a hamstring injury.

This could have been easily avoided.

The club had no option to stop Bowie being called up.

[greenginger]

When things are not going well the situation is often compounded with instances such as this.

Would have expected common sense to prevail and that the sensible decision would have been to keep Bowie at East Mains for him to improve his fitness so he is in the position to start games for Hibs first.

Seems they have weighed up the risks, miscalculated and now we could be without Bowie for four weeks minimum if it is a hamstring injury.

This could have been easily avoided.

There used to be a rule if you pulled a player out of an international squad he couldn’t take part in his club’s next fixture.

Don’t know if that’s still the case.

[Hibees1973]

FIFA have a compensation mechanism to cover the salaries of players injured on international duty which the club will be entitled to receive.

We've already got Ian Gordon filling the holes in our finances.

It's points we need.

[PatHead]

100%

If he’s going to be missing for a number of weeks then maybe need to be speaking to the club lawyers and seeking compensation.

Scotland have been out of order here given the players injury rehabilitation that Hibs have been managing.

There is automatic compensation paid

[Hibees1973]

The club had no option to stop Bowie being called up.

I'm not criticising Hibs, for a change.

[hibsbollah]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXIWjGXW4AAoUTO?format=jpg&name=large

Pic from Twitter

I dont know why im surprised. Its just the kind of **** that happens

[TrinityHFC]

When things are not going well the situation is often compounded with instances such as this.

Would have expected common sense to prevail and that the sensible decision would have been to keep Bowie at East Mains for him to improve his fitness so he is in the position to start games for Hibs first.

Seems they have weighed up the risks, miscalculated and now we could be without Bowie for four weeks minimum if it is a hamstring injury.

This could have been easily avoided.

Not like you to ignore all the posts pointing out we had no choice to go straight to criticising Hibs.

[Paul1642]

I'm not criticising Hibs, for a change.

The Scotland setup has a question to answer here though. If Hibs were managing his minutes at a time when we could really have done with him on the pitch then what are the Scotland coaches playing at 😡

[Springbank]

We’ve got Mckirdy.

We play in the Spfl though

And their defences have the better of him

[B.H.F.C]

Really, really hope this isn’t anything too bad. Was really looking forward to him coming back and getting in to the team.

Imagine we’ll get the standard ‘couple of weeks’ chat.

[JimBHibees]

Nightmare. Given sounds like he had a recent bad one could be out for a while.

[Hibees1973]

Not like you to ignore all the posts pointing out we had no choice to go straight to criticising Hibs.

If you read my post properly my criticism was not aimed at Hibs. I can read posts.

I fully understand that Hibs had to release Bowie. There clearly would have been a conversation between Hibs and the SFA given Bowie's fitness and the consensus was that he was fit to start. However, Hibs deemed him only fit enough for 30 minutes at the end of the games before going away with Scotland.

I would expect a pitch in Malta in the summer to be like concrete which to the layman would put extra stress on Bowie.

The risk is weighted totally against Hibs and it appears we have paid a heavy price.

[Hibee Mac]

This is just absolutely dire news for our hope of pulling things back after the bad start.

Probably won't see the best of Bowie till Xmas now



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[He's here!]

International breaks are utterly crap.

It's the introduction of the Nations League that's made them even worse as it just adds to the number of games where players can get injured.

[Onion]

This is just absolutely dire news for our hope of pulling things back after the bad start.

Probably won't see the best of Bowie till Xmas now



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SDG must be thrilled with this.

[HendoDelivered]

Gut wrenching stuff.

[Pagan Hibernia]

That's extremely unfortunate. For him and for Hibs.

If we didn't have bad luck we'd have no luck.

[Unseen work]

Beyond infuriating

Club have managed his minutes well and then Scotland show a complete negligence but starting him in back to back games which results in injury.

Could have a significant impact on our reason and force us into recruiting another striker

[Trinity Hibee]

Can we claim compensation? Worth calling digby brown

[JimBHibees]

Beyond infuriating

Club have managed his minutes well and then Scotland show a complete negligence but starting him in back to back games which results in injury.

Could have a significant impact on our reason and force us into recruiting another striker

Think Kieron was looking to start games recently however you would think Scotland should have taken more care and started him in one game rather than the two in short space of time. Not great that is for sure

[Unseen work]

Think Kieron was looking to start games recently however you would think Scotland should have taken more care and started him in one game rather than the two in short space of time. Not great that is for sure

Yeah no doubt we would have been looking to start him soon, but you’d think again it would be 60 minutes for example with a good couple of recovery days to monitor the situation.

[JimBHibees]

Yeah no doubt we would have been looking to start him soon, but you’d think again it would be 60 minutes for example with a good couple of recovery days to monitor the situation.

Agree

[Callum_62]

Can't start for Hibs

Starts 2 games in 4 days for Scotland u21s and is now injured

Brilliant.

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[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Can't start for Hibs

Starts 2 games in 4 days for Scotland u21s and is now injured

Brilliant.

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An absolute joke, so typical Hibs 😡

[Callum_62]

An absolute joke, so typical Hibs [emoji35]Nowt to do with Hibs that though

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[Eyrie]

An absolute joke, so typical Hibs 😡

Blame the Scotland U21 management for choosing to ignore the fact the player wasn't ready to start two games in four days.

Hibs had nothing to do with this other than losing the services of a very promising player for an unknown length of time.

[K-Zazu]

Can't start for Hibs

Starts 2 games in 4 days for Scotland u21s and is now injured

Brilliant.

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It’s mental. Especially a kick about in Malta ffs

[007]

Hopefully it's not too bad. Isn't down for too long and walks off the pitch unaided. Doesn't look like he's in too much pain as he walks off.

https://www.youtube.com/live/hi13NQa2lgc?si=M6gB8221NNdFC3HG&t=2752

[Wilson]

This is just absolutely dire news for our hope of pulling things back after the bad start.

Probably won't see the best of Bowie till Xmas now



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Yeah. That's when all the compilations used to come out.

[McGruber]

Hopefully it's not too bad. Isn't down for too long and walks off the pitch unaided. Doesn't look like he's in too much pain as he walks off.

https://www.youtube.com/live/hi13NQa2lgc?si=M6gB8221NNdFC3HG&t=2752

I don't think that did look good.

[greenlex]

It’s mental. Especially a kick about in Malta ffs

Nothing like a kickabout. It’s a game they needed to win and win handsomely.

[Tambo]

Fingers crossed on the severity of this injury, was one of the players I was looking forward to seeing on Saturday.

[Callum_62]

Fingers crossed on the severity of this injury, was one of the players I was looking forward to seeing on Saturday.Think you can definitely rule Saturday out

rangers at a best case but could easily miss the derby

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[18Craig75]

The club should be seeking answers from the SFA and publicly announce they’ve done so. Absolutely brutal player management from the U21’s.

[Southernhibee]

What intrigues me is once again we’ve signed a player who had a pretty serious injury and it’s gone again regardless of who he is playing for. People are saying that our recruitment has improved but I’m not convinced.

[ruthven_raiders]

The club should be seeking answers from the SFA and publicly announce they’ve done so. Absolutely brutal player management from the U21’s.

If he started the first game he should not have started the second game 4 days later, either this wasn't communicated to by Hibs or our advice was ignored, this needs clarifying.

[Trinity Hibee]

The club should be seeking answers from the SFA and publicly announce they’ve done so. Absolutely brutal player management from the U21’s.

And be claiming compensation

[Cooshed Kid]

An absolute sickener. I really hate international football. It just ruins the season. Clubs work so hard to look after their players and off they go on international duty and come back unfit to play for weeks or months. Financial compensation is no substitute for lost points, especially for a team needing to operate with a reduced headcount which doesn't have an instant replacement for the injured player.

The clubs take all the risk even though international matches confer absolutely no benefits to them. They ought to have the power to say no, at least in the case of players who are being managed back from injury. I wonder what would have happened if we had politely asked the SFA to excuse Bowie for that reason? Would they have told us to GTF?

[McGruber]

Fingers crossed on the severity of this injury, was one of the players I was looking forward to seeing on Saturday.

Given he had a bad hamstring injury end last season that he was still being managed for and it's the hamstring again, wouldn't be a surprise if he is out for a prolonged period. Hope not obviously.

[McGruber]

What intrigues me is once again we’ve signed a player who had a pretty serious injury and it’s gone again regardless of who he is playing for. People are saying that our recruitment has improved but I’m not convinced.

Yeah, bit of contradiction in the message that we would only be signing players ready to hit the ground running. Bowie, obviously Hoilett and Nicky Cadden all weren't ready to go. Still glad we signed Bowie though regardless

[Bobby's Cinema]

Yeah, bit of contradiction in the message that we would only be signing players ready to hit the ground running. Bowie, obviously Hoilett and Nicky Cadden all weren't ready to go. Still glad we signed Bowie though regardless
Ridiculous situation to be in.

And maybe I've missed it but I've seen absolutely nothing on Hoilett since he signed and when he is expected back. Bizarre.

[JimBHibees]

Ridiculous situation to be in.

And maybe I've missed it but I've seen absolutely nothing on Hoilett since he signed and when he is expected back. Bizarre.

Gray has mentioned Hoilett a few times apparently looking good and ready to play

Also a couple of interviews with him on Hibs observer platform

[Pretty Boy]

It's a blow if he is out for a few weeks but are we really desperately short?

We have Myko who has been starting and looked like he was close to being up to speed v Killie. We were told Hoillet would be ready in September and I'd hope Youan is close as well. Boyle can play up top and McKirdy is still around. Obviously everyone always wants one more but including Bowie we have 6 players who can play up top across the 3 positions.

It's disappointing the way Scotland have managed him. I thought him being withdrawn after an hour the other night suggested there was an agreement about how he would be used but clearly not. You can't blame Hibs though, we are obligated to release players for international duty. I suppose the flip side is if he had gone away and got 2 x 60 minutes under his belt and came back much sharper and match ready then we'd all think it was great. Such is life.

[Golden Bear]

And now we see the wisdom of David Gray's cautious approach in introducing Bowie to the first team.

In this instance any criticism of the Manager for not playing Bowie from the start of a game was unjustified.

[Tyler Durden]

What intrigues me is once again we’ve signed a player who had a pretty serious injury and it’s gone again regardless of who he is playing for. People are saying that our recruitment has improved but I’m not convinced.

He's played over 40 games in each of the prior 2 seasons. Players have injuries, he's a 21 year old, not some injury prone veteran, give it a rest.

[Jones28]

What intrigues me is once again we’ve signed a player who had a pretty serious injury and it’s gone again regardless of who he is playing for. People are saying that our recruitment has improved but I’m not convinced.

Absolute bollocks. Hibs were managing him well, Scotland ****ed it. Previous injury record has nothing to do with it, if you abstained from players with injuries that were anything more than the odd fortnight out you'd sign nobody.

[Dalianwanda]

What intrigues me is once again we’ve signed a player who had a pretty serious injury and it’s gone again regardless of who he is playing for. People are saying that our recruitment has improved but I’m not convinced.

:rolleyes: Hes got a hamstring injury that we were managing quite well by the looks of it. Hes not been blighted by injury over recent seasons as stated so are you saying we shouldnt have take the chance on him when hes already show glimpses of what a great signing he could be?

[Donegal Hibby]

I read Gemmil commenting on the pitch wasn’t as good , considering how Gray was managing Bowie it was poor management from Gemmil when he knew about the pitch . Very disappointing but we can only hope he’s not out for to long 🤞

[Ronniekirk]

And now we see the wisdom of David Gray's cautious approach in introducing Bowie to the first team.

In this instance any criticism of the Manager for not playing Bowie from the start of a game was unjustified.
I wonder if hibs were consulted about the amount of game time he should get while away ,as it seems crazy he was playing two games in relative quick succession given how we were managing him

[Greenio]

I have no issue with international football. Playing for your country is a huge deal.

Something has gone wrong here though. Weve clearly had a strategy with Bowie that seems to have been ignored totally by the international set up.

It cant just be disconnected.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

What intrigues me is once again we’ve signed a player who had a pretty serious injury and it’s gone again regardless of who he is playing for. People are saying that our recruitment has improved but I’m not convinced.

Hibs were managing his rehab and that was going well. Scotland play him twice in 4 days and it aggravates it.

Don’t see how our recruitment is to blame?

[B.H.F.C]

I wonder if hibs were consulted about the amount of game time he should get while away ,as it seems crazy he was playing two games in relative quick succession given how we were managing him

I’d imagine Hibs medical staff would have told them what was what but everybody looks after their own interests. Scotland want to qualify for the Euros for the first time in 30 years so they’ll just have done what they want.

[CallumHibs07]

I have no confidence that we even communicated with Scotland and requested him to be used carefully. Hard to believe he would start both games if we did.

[Donegal Hibby]

What intrigues me is once again we’ve signed a player who had a pretty serious injury and it’s gone again regardless of who he is playing for. People are saying that our recruitment has improved but I’m not convinced.

I don’t know why anyone would point any fingers at our recruitment for this , we signed a very good player who had a previous injury that Gray was managing cautiously as not to risk the player …

even mentioned it before the Killie game that we might not risk starting him . We did take him on with 15 minutes to go though he wouldn’t have started him in 2 games in 4 days especially when he knew the 2nd ones pitch wasn’t good….

Gemmil badly managed our player on this .

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/exclusive-hibs-boss-facing-risk-and-reward-call-on-star-striker-as-goal-hero-pushes-for-starting-place-4760004#

[Hibernian Verse]

On Forth 1 saying that the injury is not serious and he was taken off as a precaution everyone calm doon

[Trinity Hibee]

On Forth 1 saying that the injury is not serious and he was taken off as a precaution everyone calm doon

We’ll find out at the weekend if he’s in the squad. If he’s not in it, then it has impacted Hibs and folk can be pissed off

[Callum_62]

On Forth 1 saying that the injury is not serious and he was taken off as a precaution everyone calm doonIt's not about calming down

The question of why hibs were managing his minutes and Scotland started him twice in 4 days is a valid one

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[He's here!]

On Forth 1 saying that the injury is not serious and he was taken off as a precaution everyone calm doon

Fingers crossed. Wouldn't be the first time you hear that sort of thing then it turns out it's a six-week lay-off.

[McGruber]

On Forth 1 saying that the injury is not serious and he was taken off as a precaution everyone calm doon

Rolling 2 weeks

[Hibernian Verse]

It's not about calming down

The question of why hibs were managing his minutes and Scotland started him twice in 4 days is a valid one

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Yeah that is, but there were plenty posts slating Hibs too.

[superfurryhibby]

It's not about calming down

The question of why hibs were managing his minutes and Scotland started him twice in 4 days is a valid one

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That is a legitimate question, It seems on the face of it to be very reckless. Player himself also needs to say no. You can understand wanting to play, but not at any cost.

[WestStandWillie]

Miller gets injured boarding a flight to Australia and now Bowie gets crocked for the U21s.

There’s bad luck and there’s that.

Just waiting for Boyle to get bitten by a Black Widow for the trifecta

[CropleyWasGod]

Miller gets injured boarding a flight to Australia and now Bowie gets crocked for the U21s.

There’s bad luck and there’s that.

Just waiting for Boyle to get bitten by a Black Widow for the trifecta

I thought there was a ban on talking about his private life :confused:

[Jones28]

I thought there was a ban on talking about his private life :confused:

:faf:

[flash]

One small mercy is another free week coming up so he misses one game fewer.

[Col2]

Gemmel saying “ It's not as easy as people think to come to these types of places where they are doing everything they can to stop you and the pitch isn't quite as good as it should be”

But still decided to play a player not fully fit twice in 4 days

Total clown. I hope Hibs go public and call this crap out. International set up senior and u21 is run by amateur clowns.

[Saint Hibee]

Gemmel saying “ It's not as easy as people think to come to these types of places where they are doing everything they can to stop you and the pitch isn't quite as good as it should be”

But still decided to play a player not fully fit twice in 4 days

Total clown. I hope Hibs go public and call this crap out. International set up senior and u21 is run by amateur clowns.

Was just about to post the same quote; he was clearly aware that it was a high-risk game in terms of injuries, but played Bowie anyway.

[Gmack7]

Was just about to post the same quote; he was clearly aware that it was a high-risk game in terms of injuries, but played Bowie anyway.

He doesn't care about us, Bowies maximum involvement should have been agreed by all parties before they had even left

[JimBHibees]

I have no confidence that we even communicated with Scotland and requested him to be used carefully. Hard to believe he would start both games if we did.

Why would you think that especially given Malky Mackays sfa experience ?

[B.H.F.C]

He doesn't care about us, Bowies maximum involvement should have been agreed by all parties before they had even left

As you say they don’t care about us, they have their own interests. That’s all they were ever going to bother about and were always going to us him as they wanted to.

[Stuart93]

A bit *****

Hopefully more of precaution than anything else

If he’s out for a decent bit of time we’re light again in that area, thought we were still needing another one in there tbh

[Carheenlea]

This sorry episode certainly points towards a reckless and cavalier attitude to player wellbeing.

You naturally assume that International management and coaching is set to higher standards than domestic football, but the reality looks to be a bit more amateur hour, with a back room team populated with Largs clique favourites.

[HoboHarry]

I thought there was a ban on talking about his private life :confused:
:top marks:greengrin

[007]

An absolute sickener. I really hate international football. It just ruins the season. Clubs work so hard to look after their players and off they go on international duty and come back unfit to play for weeks or months. Financial compensation is no substitute for lost points, especially for a team needing to operate with a reduced headcount which doesn't have an instant replacement for the injured player.

The clubs take all the risk even though international matches confer absolutely no benefits to them. They ought to have the power to say no, at least in the case of players who are being managed back from injury. I wonder what would have happened if we had politely asked the SFA to excuse Bowie for that reason? Would they have told us to GTF?

If you hate international football then presumably you never watch the World Cup or the Euros?

That's not true that clubs get no benefit. Players' values go up if they are playing for their national team.

[HoboHarry]

The Scotland camp aren't alone here in making poor decisions, the Dutch are too. Nathan Ake hasn't played much this season for Man City but the Dutch played him and got stretchered off.

[Southernhibee]

My point regarding this is we have signed someone who has had a serious injury as mentioned by Gray and it has occurred again. Hopefully taking him off is precautionary but we have previous with signing people who have had an ongoing injury. If you think about Kyle Maggenis who signed with an injury and look how that turned out. There’s other players as well. I hope it doesn’t come to that but once the hamstring is weak then it can be strained or pulled more often even with significant rehabilitation. If it is that problem we won’t see him for a number of weeks possibly months. Guess we will see soon enough.

[Stokesy's on fire]

My point regarding this is we have signed someone who has had a serious injury as mentioned by Gray and it has occurred again. Hopefully taking him off is precautionary but we have previous with signing people who have had an ongoing injury. If you think about Kyle Maggenis who signed with an injury and look how that turned out. There’s other players as well. I hope it doesn’t come to that but once the hamstring is weak then it can be strained or pulled more often even with significant rehabilitation. If it is that problem we won’t see him for a number of weeks possibly months. Guess we will see soon enough.

We do seem to to go for the Injury prone types

[CropleyWasGod]

We do seem to to go for the Injury prone types

As has been said, he's played about 40 games in each of the last 2 seasons. That'a not "injury-prone".

[superfurryhibby]

We do seem to to go for the Injury prone types

:rolleyes:

Trying too hard.

[Tambo]

Think you can definitely rule Saturday out

rangers at a best case but could easily miss the derby

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Yes looking that way, there's always seeing Rudi live for the first time.

We looked like we had been managing him well, very disappointing.

[Donegal Hibby]

Read this article just now …

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/exclusive-hibs-stars-injury-latest-as-gaffer-delivers-scotland-risk-assessment-4778419

[Cabbage-Patch]

I really hope the scan results are positive but watching the game live he just went down with no contact. My gut feeling was he had torn it again. If that's the case he will be out until at least December

[Hibees1973]

Read this article just now …

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/exclusive-hibs-stars-injury-latest-as-gaffer-delivers-scotland-risk-assessment-4778419

Interesting reading this article. Gray is quoted that Hibs have been 'very cautious' with Bowie since he arrived because of his previous injury record.

You must question why on earth he started both games for Scotland when he hadn't started one for us. If this injury is bad as it appears the optics of this does not look good while he was with Scotland.

Clearly Gemmil's use of Bowie while with the U-21s was not 'very cautious'.

[Smartie]

Interesting reading this article. Gray is quoted that Hibs have been 'very cautious' with Bowie since he arrived because of his previous injury record.

You must question why on earth he started both games for Scotland when he hadn't started one for us. If this injury is bad as it appears the optics of this does not look good while he was with Scotland.

Clearly Gemmil's use of Bowie while with the U-21s was not 'very cautious'.

Because for us Bowie is an asset we've invested heavily in and we have a vested interest in his long term well being, Scotland couldn't really give a flying **** about Hibs or Bowie - they're prepared to take the risks with someone they've invested nothing in. Best outcome, they get away with the risk, everybody is happy. Next best the injury isn't too bad, Hibs take the hit, they get him back for their next game in a few weeks time. Worst case scenario it's a bad injury, f you Hibs, they call up a slightly inferior player for their forthcoming games.

Hibs can chat, bargain, plea with Scotland all they want here, they hold all the aces. We're not like Rangers or Celtic who appear to be able to bully them, or they certainly could in the olden days.

My interest in international football has gone from going home and away to Scotland supporters club member who goes to home games only to maybe watching the odd game on the telly if I can be bothered over the past 20 years. One of the reasons is the effect that international football has on Hibs players - whether it's getting injured on international duty or turning them into egotistical ********s whose careers as positive influences at Hibs effectively end as their attitudes change and the belief that they're above us gets entrenched.

[degenerated]

My point regarding this is we have signed someone who has had a serious injury as mentioned by Gray and it has occurred again. Hopefully taking him off is precautionary but we have previous with signing people who have had an ongoing injury. If you think about Kyle Maggenis who signed with an injury and look how that turned out. There’s other players as well. I hope it doesn’t come to that but once the hamstring is weak then it can be strained or pulled more often even with significant rehabilitation. If it is that problem we won’t see him for a number of weeks possibly months. Guess we will see soon enough.We should probably have never signed Dylan McGeouch too.

[007]

We should probably have never signed Dylan McGeouch too.

Not to mention Darren McGregor, David Gray or Martin Boyle.

[superfurryhibby]

But, asked if he’d had any concerns about his player being thrown straight into the front line by Gemmill, the Hibs gaffer said: “The next step for him was to start a game. And we did have dialogue with Scotland on that, about what to do, what the best thing was to do.

[Blaster]

But, asked if he’d had any concerns about his player being thrown straight into the front line by Gemmill, the Hibs gaffer said: “The next step for him was to start a game. And we did have dialogue with Scotland on that, about what to do, what the best thing was to do.

Yeah I don’t think starting the first game was a problem. Starting the 2nd one was the issue.

[Not In The Know]

Yeah I don’t think starting the first game was a problem. Starting the 2nd one was the issue.



Exactly - a game they ended up winning 5-0 so hardly a testing opponent.

SFA need called out big time for this. I hope SDG is keeping his powder dry re his comments in the EEN article on Bowie starting two games...

[neil7908]

We should be going mad about this. And publicly. Wouldn't happen to an OF player in a million years. They would be nowhere near the squad for a game like this, and certainly not starting two in a row.

He's a massive player for us given the reported fee we paid for him and to lose him for however long playing for the u-21s against Malta is an absolute sickner.

[hibsbollah]

I really hope the scan results are positive but watching the game live he just went down with no contact. My gut feeling was he had torn it again. If that's the case he will be out until at least December

That's a misconception; there is no practical difference between a tear and a sprain, they are effectively describing the same thing. It just depends on the severity, it could be anything between 3 weeks and 3 months, so it's just impossible to say at this point whether it will be late October, on the optimistic scale, or 'at least December' in the worst case scenario. He would have heard a 'popping' noise if it was a grade 3 tear, or most severe, and in that scenario yeah he could be out till the New Year.

[greenlex]

Cover now signed.

[flash]

Cover now signed.

To be fair he was almost certainly signing anyway.

[TrinityHFC]

To be fair he was almost certainly signing anyway.

Yep. Gray had been talking about a replacement for Vente since he left.

[Ronniekirk]

Yeah I don’t think starting the first game was a problem. Starting the 2nd one was the issue.
Yep and gray didn’t address that or maybe wasn’t asked

[Dashing Bob S]

I detest the international break with a passion. A key player being nursed slowly to match fitness absolutely knackered by a full on double dose of irrelevance

[HoboHarry]

Yep and gray didn’t address that or maybe wasn’t asked
They may well have been asked for an opinion but Scotland still had the final decision and there's nothing Hibs can do to change that..

[K-Zazu]

I detest the international break with a passion. A key player being nursed slowly to match fitness absolutely knackered by a full on double dose of irrelevance

This.

[greenlex]

Yep. Gray had been talking about a replacement for Vente since he left.
I know Bowie was in the building before Vente left but always seen him as his replacement. Put it this way if Vente had been scoring regularly would we have seen Bowie?

[JimBHibees]

But, asked if he’d had any concerns about his player being thrown straight into the front line by Gemmill, the Hibs gaffer said: “The next step for him was to start a game. And we did have dialogue with Scotland on that, about what to do, what the best thing was to do.

Start a game being the key phrase not two in 4 days

[Nicho87]

Can’t believe hibs didn’t say happy to take him to the squad for Scotland but recommend if he’s starting make sure it’s just one game.

[Wilson]

Start a game being the key phrase not two in 4 days

I presume he came through the first one well enough or the might have rested him. We were going to have to push him at some point and may well have ended up with the same result.

It is that it happened with Scotland seems to be the issue rather than any real surprise that upping the workload has led to a recurrence.

For me, it is just one of those things. Injured players often suffer setbacks. It is unfortunate where it happened although I'm sure Bowie was delighted to get a Scotland appearance.

[Brummie_Hibs]

I presume he came through the first one well enough or the might have rested him. We were going to have to push him at some point and may well have ended up with the same result.

It is that it happened with Scotland seems to be the issue rather than any real surprise that upping the workload has led to a recurrence.

For me, it is just one of those things. Injured players often suffer setbacks. It is unfortunate where it happened although I'm sure Bowie was delighted to get a Scotland appearance.
The most sensible and level headed post on this so far.

[JohnM1875]

From the Hibs website article rounding up the international window;

‘The young forward had a scan on his hamstring earlier today and David Gray will detail the full extent of the injury on Friday.’

Might just be paranoid, but don't like the sound of that.

[He's here!]

From the Hibs website article rounding up the international window;

‘The young forward had a scan on his hamstring earlier today and David Gray will detail the full extent of the injury on Friday.’

Might just be paranoid, but don't like the sound of that.

'Full extent'...that doesn't sound like there's good news coming.

[Blurhibee]

He will be out until the new year is what I’ve heard

[Col2]

I detest the international break with a passion. A key player being nursed slowly to match fitness absolutely knackered by a full on double dose of irrelevance

This and it was a known dodgy pitch according to the U21 manager, what a tit.

[He's here!]

This and it was a known dodgy pitch according to the U21 manager, what a tit.

That seems especially irresponsible when the player was known to be easing back to full fitness.

[He's here!]

I detest the international break with a passion. A key player being nursed slowly to match fitness absolutely knackered by a full on double dose of irrelevance

Scrapping the home nations sides and adopting a UK team would be the most effective way of ensuring Hibs players were rarely if ever involved.

It's not just the impact on the player, it's the pressure it heaps on Gray who desperately needs to find a win and must now do so without potentially his best player.

It's a maddening situation and one that feels like it didn't need to happen.

[degenerated]

Scrapping the home nations sides and adopting a UK team would be the most effective way of ensuring Hibs players were rarely if ever involved.

It's not just the impact on the player, it's the pressure it heaps on Gray who desperately needs to find a win and must now do so without potentially his best player.

It's a maddening situation and one that feels like it didn't need to happen.https://youtu.be/L3jzJe5LoRI?si=kjWVVrHgm1r8S_hD

[Ringothedog]

Scrapping the home nations sides and adopting a UK team would be the most effective way of ensuring Hibs players were rarely if ever involved.

It's not just the impact on the player, it's the pressure it heaps on Gray who desperately needs to find a win and must now do so without potentially his best player.

It's a maddening situation and one that feels like it didn't need to happen.

You are a grade one troll

[Hibees1973]

This and it was a known dodgy pitch according to the U21 manager, what a tit.

Bowie arrived at the club with a hamstring injury.

Didn't appear for a few weeks as clearly Hibs medical staff deemed him not fully fit.

When he did appear we didn't start him.

We only gave him around 20-30 mins in two games as a sub.

For some reason he started for Scotland U-21s and played for a hour.

Dodgy maltese pitch in high summer but he starts again, then pulls up with a hamstring injury after 25 mins.

How many red flags did there have to be to avoid this.

[04Sauzee]

Bowie arrived at the club with a hamstring injury.

Didn't appear for a few weeks as clearly Hibs medical staff deemed him not fully fit.

When he did appear we didn't start him.

We only gave him around 20-30 mins in two games as a sub.

For some reason he started for Scotland U-21s and played for a hour.

Dodgy maltese pitch in high summer but he starts again, then pulls up with a hamstring injury after 25 mins.

How many red flags did there have to be to avoid this.

Signed on the 8th of August, came of the bench against Celtic on the 11th of August.

[Carheenlea]

From the Hibs website article rounding up the international window;

‘The young forward had a scan on his hamstring earlier today and David Gray will detail the full extent of the injury on Friday.’

Might just be paranoid, but don't like the sound of that.


'Full extent'...that doesn't sound like there's good news coming.


He will be out until the new year is what I’ve heard

It certainly doesn’t sound like we’re being primed for some good news.

[pepe]

You are a grade one troll
Agreed

[Ronniekirk]

He will be out until the new year is what I’ve heard
And who have you heard this from

[Callum_62]

From the Hibs website article rounding up the international window;

‘The young forward had a scan on his hamstring earlier today and David Gray will detail the full extent of the injury on Friday.’

Might just be paranoid, but don't like the sound of that.I'm guessing the presser on the game in on Friday?

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[JohnM1875]

I'm guessing the presser on the game in on Friday?

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Aye, that's what I'm assuming as well.

Bracing for bad news with the way Bowie went down and the wording in the Hibs international round up article.

[Greenio]

The more i think of this the angrier it makes me.

Why is DG not calling this out? He can not agree with how they managed a player wed been carefully working back into full games.

Its reckless, arrogant and completely moronic by the scotland set up.

Hibs should be saying so to make sure we dont get taken for mugs again

[Blurhibee]

And who have you heard this from

A very reliable source unfortunately

[B.H.F.C]

The more i think of this the angrier it makes me.

Why is DG not calling this out? He can not agree with how they managed a player wed been carefully working back into full games.

Its reckless, arrogant and completely moronic by the scotland set up.

Hibs should be saying so to make sure we dont get taken for mugs again

Hibs possibly not saying anything as Scotland didn’t go against what had been discussed and agreed on. For all he started the two games it didn’t equate to that many minutes.

I wish he’d not played at all right enough as you just know it’s going to be bad news.

[K-Zazu]

The more i think of this the angrier it makes me.

Why is DG not calling this out? He can not agree with how they managed a player wed been carefully working back into full games.

Its reckless, arrogant and completely moronic by the scotland set up.

Hibs should be saying so to make sure we dont get taken for mugs again

Wouldn’t have happened if it was a Celtic or Rangers player. No chance a player involved with that horrible lot would be getting risked like that and starting 2 games in 4 days if there was even a hint of an injury problem.

[neil7908]

Wouldn’t have happened if it was a Celtic or Rangers player. No chance a player involved with that horrible lot would be getting risked like that and starting 2 games in 4 days if there was even a hint of an injury problem.

And let's no forget, this is the u-21s, with the second game against Malta. That level is about getting players some experience and building prospects who can eventually feature for the full national team. We aren't talking about risking a key player in a crunch game to qualify for the world cup.

There just no way he should have been risked with all of the above and the fact he was carrying an injury.

Like others I'm finding myself less and less interested in the national team, and starting to hate international breaks. Used to be really pleased to see a Hibs players called up but now if feels like it just brings problems.

[Jones28]

Ridiculous situation. Hopefully hear more from SDG today.

Could Hibs have stopped him from going, or stipulated what game time he is capable of in relation to his recovery etc?

[NAE NOOKIE]

The fact that we have been giving limited game time to a player we paid a significant amount of money for because he had / has an ongoing injury situation should have made his inclusion in a Scotland squad for these two matches an absolute non starter. If Hibs had any say in this all you can say is WTF were they thinking?

If they were against Bowie playing and the SFA had any say in overruling that opinion then we should be asking them for compensation. But if this was purely a Hibs decision the medical staff at the club want shooting.

[ruthven_raiders]

Ridiculous situation. Hopefully hear more from SDG today.

Could Hibs have stopped him from going, or stipulated what game time he is capable of in relation to his recovery etc?

For all we know it could have been Hibs fault, they maybe agreed to Bowie starting both games so long as he didn't play more than 60 mins each game, SDG needs to clarify....

[Kato]

"I've no idea what happened but am determined somehow to show that it is Hibs fault."

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[ekhibee]

I do wonder who's at fault here tbh. Hibs for letting him go when he wasn't fully fit, or Gemmill and Co for playing him as a starter in 2 games in quick succession, maybe a bit of both, although Hibs possibly had their hands tied with him being called up in the 1st place.

[Col2]

When is today press conference?

[Hibernian Verse]

For all we know it could have been Hibs fault, they maybe agreed to Bowie starting both games so long as he didn't play more than 60 mins each game, SDG needs to clarify....

SDG needs to clarify nothing to us.

Hibs can't tell Scotland what to do with players for competitive games. Case closed and stop making up potential scenarios to get upset about and want clarified.

[ruthven_raiders]

SDG needs to clarify nothing to us.

Hibs can't tell Scotland what to do with players for competitive games. Case closed and stop making up potential scenarios to get upset about and want clarified.

I'm not upset as it doesn't affect my family or my life I'm just commenting on all the talk on here, so calm down with the replies....it's just a chat forum for football������


All SDG needs to say that we hand him over to Scotland and let them decide, which I hardly think would be the case, I'm sure there would have been discussions as he's had injury issues, wouldn't that be sensible?

[Tommy75]

I do wonder who's at fault here tbh. Hibs for letting him go when he wasn't fully fit, or Gemmill and Co for playing him as a starter in 2 games in quick succession, maybe a bit of both, although Hibs possibly had their hands tied with him being called up in the 1st place.

Maybe the player as well? We are his employer, paid a big fee for him and will no doubt be one of our higher earners. The manager/club clearly had some sort of strategy to introduce him gradually to build up his fitness. Perhaps he should have said he was unavailable for this round of U21 fixtures and shown a bit of loyalty to the club?

[Hibernian Verse]

I'm not upset as it doesn't affect my family or my life I'm just commenting on all the talk on here, so calm down with the replies....it's just a chat forum for football������


All SDG needs to say that we hand him over to Scotland and let them decide, which I hardly think would be the case, I'm sure there would have been discussions as he's had injury issues, wouldn't that be sensible?

We can discuss injuries with them all we want but ultimately we have no weight in the argument at all unless it's friendly matches. Their physios will decide who is match fit or not.

[Smartie]

I do wonder who's at fault here tbh. Hibs for letting him go when he wasn't fully fit, or Gemmill and Co for playing him as a starter in 2 games in quick succession, maybe a bit of both, although Hibs possibly had their hands tied with him being called up in the 1st place.

Problem is, you don’t have to be “fully fit” to be capable of playing and contributing.

This one, like so many others, lies in that grey area where there’s risk involved in using a player who is less than 100% fit but still potentially able to play and emerge unscathed. Or maybe even stronger for getting more playing time under their belt.

There remains a possibility that this is one of those things and nobody is to blame.

It’s not a particularly appealing one when we’re feeling a bit aggrieved about losing a good player for a period of time though.

[Since90+2]

SDG needs to clarify nothing to us.

Hibs can't tell Scotland what to do with players for competitive games. Case closed and stop making up potential scenarios to get upset about and want clarified.

They can't dictate when he plays, but if Hibs suggested (and we will have a far better inside into his overall fitness than the SFA) that he isn't played in back to back games due to him being eased back in and it was ignored it needs to be called out and the SFA questioned as to why they didn't take the advice of our medical teams.

[JohnM1875]

Same hamstring and out for ‘significant period’

**** sake.

[we are hibs]

Same hamstring and out for ‘significant period’

**** sake.4 months. Probably won't see him until February

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[SteveHFC]

4 months out injured 🤬

[Alfred E Newman]

We can discuss injuries with them all we want but ultimately we have no weight in the argument at all unless it's friendly matches. Their physios will decide who is match fit or not.

Which is ridiculous considering we have just spent a record fee for him and are going to suffer the consequences of his absence, or are the SFA going to fund his recovery period?

[JohnM1875]

4 months. Probably won't see him until February

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****ing sickening, it really is.

Have to feel sorry for the player, he must be devastated.

[Jamesie]

Maybe the player as well? We are his employer, paid a big fee for him and will no doubt be one of our higher earners. The manager/club clearly had some sort of strategy to introduce him gradually to build up his fitness. Perhaps he should have said he was unavailable for this round of U21 fixtures and shown a bit of loyalty to the club?

SDG was being quite diplomatic in his comments at the press conference - “he was due a start” etc etc. Personally, I might have been less diplomatic…

[Jones28]

Thats a real sickener. ****ing internationals.

[Stuarty1875]

4 months :grr:

[erin go bragh]

4 months ffs
Starting both games was terrible management from Gemmil

[hibee-boys]

Just when I thought I couldn’t be more disinterested in international football🙄

[K-Zazu]

**** international football

[CMac1988]

It's easy to blame the international set up for this but if we were trying to treat him with kid gloves through an injury then why was he allowed to go in the first place... I'm not one for trying to point fingers at the club for every bad situation but it does scream amateur yet again. On the flipside did we maybe think he was close to recoveving and despite all the gripes it's purely been a case of bad luck more than anything?

[WestStandWillie]

Scot Gemmill's a trumpet. Absolutely didn't need to start Bowie against that super power Malta :rolleyes:

SDG's been very kind with his comments. I wouldn't be.

[Cooshed Kid]

Devastating. Our most exciting signing of the new season and gone just like that. And in what I read of his interview Gemmill was remarkably casual about it like it was just one of those things that can happen to anyone, as if he was unaware of KB's recent injuries and rehabilitation. Clubs are victims of the parasite which is international football. I seldom watch it and I really don't give a toss about it anymore.

[Col2]

Gemmel fully responsible for this. Another largs mafia who wouldn’t last in a proper club job.

[Del Boy]

4 months minimum!!! ffs

Looking at at least February before we see him start a game for Hibs!!

[Donegal Hibby]

Massive blow for the club and player , Gemmil should have managed him better for the 2nd game when he knew he had a player coming back from injury while acknowledging the pitch was bad 🤬

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Someone’s made a bad decision with allowing Bowie to play 2 games within 4 days. Absolutely sickening and could be disastrous for our season ahead. I hope TF when he’s back he’s not thrown in to the next round of U21 Internationals. Wouldn’t surprise me right enough.

[Unseen work]

Fuming with that, you could tell his quality and how big a player he would be for us.

Even with the 4 months it’s how long it takes him to get fit/sharp/ strong again to be at his 100%

Ridiculous decision from SFA and we should seek compensation

Glad SDG has alluded to the minutes etc

[Mikey_1875]

Unbelievable.

[greenlex]

Gemmel fully responsible for this. Another largs mafia who wouldn’t last in a proper club job.
Strange take. Gemmel is a very good coach who would do a good job at most clubs. Players like him and his methods.

[Centre Hawf]

The worst part about this is that 4 months is probably when we'd only really start to see him touch a pitch again and will need managed up to fitness and rehabbed properly so it doesn't go again.

This is an absolute ****ing disaster and effectively writes off his entire season as the player we hoped we were signing as we won't see the best of him this side of pre-season.

[Brummie_Hibs]

Hibs shouldn't be signing crocked players.

This could have happened after 2 mins tomorrow. In fact it seems like it was just not a matter of time, as he wasn't ready - hence not getting much playing time so far.

Bad luck. Hibs should not have let him play.

[WestStandWillie]

Strange take. Gemmel is a very good coach who would do a good job at most clubs. Players like him and his methods.

A good coach doesn't start a player returning after a bad injury in two matches from the start, especially when his actual club is phasing him into games.

[Nicho87]

Hibs should be calling this out

But we won’t

[J-C]

Shocking treatment by the Scottish coaches and physios, no matter how keen he was to play, it should never have come to this.

[Crab apple]

I really feel for the player. He was shaping up to be a star for us this season. I fear we won't see the best of him until next season now. It seems really odd to go from being gradually introduced back into club football over a number of weeks to then starting two games for the national team in the space of a couple of days.

[Langlee Hibs]

Was he a regular feature in the U21 set up prior to coming to us?

[BILLYHIBS]

Was he a regular feature in the U21 set up prior to coming to us?

7 caps 4 goals a prospect

[LunasBoots]

Good player but sadly appears to have a problem, hopefully this isn't going to be a long term problem.

[MWHIBBIES]

Brutal luck. Don't blame Hibs for him going away, Hibs have zero control.

Do blame Hibs for not getting him signed a month earlier so he had a proper pre season and gained fitness in league cup ties.

[GreenPJ]

Which is ridiculous considering we have just spent a record fee for him and are going to suffer the consequences of his absence, or are the SFA going to fund his recovery period?

So there will be compensation payable but that is not really of huge benefit (we had already budgeted for paying those wages but on the basis that we would have use of the player - the wages will be negated by the compensation but we now don't have use of the player).

[Groathillgrump]

On Forth 1 saying that the injury is not serious and he was taken off as a precaution everyone calm doon

Is it okay if I get a bit pissed off now? :rolleyes:

[tamig]

Brutal luck. Don't blame Hibs for him going away, Hibs have zero control.

Do blame Hibs for not getting him signed a month earlier so he had a proper pre season and gained fitness in league cup ties.

And how can you tell what was happening during that month you reckon he should already have been signed? You have no clue how this transfer panned out and the negotiating that took place.

[MWHIBBIES]

And how can you tell what was happening during that month you reckon he should already have been signed? You have no clue how this transfer panned out and the negotiating that took place.

No, I don't, and maybe in this case it wasn't Hibs fault. But it's far too often we've got players needing to get match fit weeks into the season.

[Bristolhibby]

It's easy to blame the international set up for this but if we were trying to treat him with kid gloves through an injury then why was he allowed to go in the first place... I'm not one for trying to point fingers at the club for every bad situation but it does scream amateur yet again. On the flipside did we maybe think he was close to recoveving and despite all the gripes it's purely been a case of bad luck more than anything?

If Hibs said no, he still would have had to been assessed by a SFA doctor. And if fit (he has played) he can play.

Now the player himself can rule himself out. It’s his body after all, his career.

J

[Spike Mandela]

Thought Hibs had learned their lesson and were going to sign players who were fit and first team ready. Why are we shelling out our money on players who have to be nursed into the squad gently? What is the point of doing a medical on a player and yet still signing them with a clear and obvious vulnerability? Another bad decision.

[He's here!]

4 months out injured 🤬

It says 'at least' four months ie four months is a best case scenario, so it's clearly a major issue.

Basically means our showpiece signing will play next to no part in our season.

How quickly the stirrings of optimism are shattered.

[Jamesie]

4 months ffs
Starting both games was terrible management from Gemmil

Particularly the effectively nothing match v Malta, which Scotland won 5-0. No reason whatsoever to risk him in that.

[Hibiza]

Gemmill , hold your head in shame , plagerist. Not that you'll care

[He's here!]

SDG was being quite diplomatic in his comments at the press conference - “he was due a start” etc etc. Personally, I might have been less diplomatic…

He'll be privately raging at Gemmill, especially the comments about the playing surface against Malta.

[Carheenlea]

SDG was being quite diplomatic in his comments at the press conference - “he was due a start” etc etc. Personally, I might have been less diplomatic…

Toeing the Largs line.

Privately, the club will be a bit less “diplomatic” I’d guess.

[JohnM1875]

It says 'at least' four months ie four months is a best case scenario, so it's clearly a major issue.

Basically means our showpiece signing will play next to no part in our season.

How quickly the stirrings of optimism are shattered.

Yup, can’t see him playing a part this season at all now. So a full season of his contract gone already.

Absolutely no chance we’ll be rushing him back either, which is without a doubt the right thing to do. Just hope he makes a full recovery and comes back strong and raring to go next season.

So ****ing disappointing though. I think we’ve done decent business this summer, but Bowie was the one I was looking forward to seeing play and think he would've had a class season.

[easty]

Thought Hibs had learned their lesson and were going to sign players who were fit and first team ready. Why are we shelling out our money on players who have to be nursed into the squad gently? What is the point of doing a medical on a player and yet still signing them with a clear and obvious vulnerability? Another bad decision.

The laddie played 45 games last season, 40 the season before and 35 the season before that. He's also played a part in every Hibs game since he signed.

Isn't this basically his first injury of his career?

[Donegal Hibby]

Gray had said he watched him against Spain were he had to do a lot of running, you’d think any decent manager knowing that the player was coming back from injury might have thought two games in five days was a bit much especially when the 2nd one is played on a bad pitch that they were probably always going to win anyhow. If this situation had happened to an OF player I think there would be some kick-up about it ….

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/clyny0kv0g3o

[Just Alf]

It's easy to blame the international set up for this but if we were trying to treat him with kid gloves through an injury then why was he allowed to go in the first place... I'm not one for trying to point fingers at the club for every bad situation but it does scream amateur yet again. On the flipside did we maybe think he was close to recoveving and despite all the gripes it's purely been a case of bad luck more than anything?To be clear (I see its been questioned a few times). We can't refuse to send a player when called up for a competitive match. EVEN when team are saying said player is injured, the SFA can insist on the player meeting up with the squad and they'll have their own doctor/physios make an assessment.

I seem to remember the Rangers or Celtc fell foul of that rule a few years ago and ended up with a fine.

[He's here!]

Yup, can’t see him playing a part this season at all now. So a full season of his contract gone already.

Absolutely no chance we’ll be rushing him back either, which is without a doubt the right thing to do. Just hope he makes a full recovery and comes back strong and raring to go next season.

So ****ing disappointing though. I think we’ve done decent business this summer, but Bowie was the one I was looking forward to seeing play and think he would've had a class season.

Yep, we've gone from feeling upbeat about what our 600k signing can achieve to hoping a late addition to the squad from the free agent market can lead the line every week (a player who has not had his own injury problems to seek).

Hopefully this is an injury Bowie can fully overcome and we don't end up with another Kyle Magennis situation.

[Hibeesforever]

To be clear (I see its been questioned a few times). We can't refuse to send a player when called up for a competitive match. EVEN when team are saying said player is injured, the SFA can insist on the player meeting up with the squad and they'll have their own doctor/physios make an assessment.

I seem to remember the Rangers or Celtc fell foul of that rule a few years ago and ended up with a fine.

The player is ultimately at fault if they agree to play and breakdown...could Hibs not have told Bowie it would be better if he declines to play...his breakthrough season is totally ruined now for a game vs Malta...ridiculous...!

[Spike Mandela]

The laddie played 45 games last season, 40 the season before and 35 the season before that. He's also played a part in every Hibs game since he signed.

Isn't this basically his first injury of his career?

He was recovering from an injury that Hibs were aware of when we signed him. It will have been picked up in medical, Hibs were nursing him into games, not starting him. He’s out for at least 4 months, the signing of him was a mistake, no getting away from it.

[CMac1988]

If Hibs said no, he still would have had to been assessed by a SFA doctor. And if fit (he has played) he can play.

Now the player himself can rule himself out. It’s his body after all, his career.

J


To be clear (I see its been questioned a few times). We can't refuse to send a player when called up for a competitive match. EVEN when team are saying said player is injured, the SFA can insist on the player meeting up with the squad and they'll have their own doctor/physios make an assessment.

I seem to remember the Rangers or Celtc fell foul of that rule a few years ago and ended up with a fine.

Thanks both. I wasn't aware of the rules as to injured players being called up for international duty. In that case I'll fetch the pitchfork and join those is castrating the SFA!

[easty]

He was recovering from an injury that Hibs were aware of when we signed him. It will have been picked up in medical, Hibs were nursing him into games, not starting him. He’s out for at least 4 months, the signing of him was a mistake, no getting away from it.

Well the injury he was recovering from wasn't one where he couldn't play as he's been playing for us every game since he signed.

He only played an hour in the first game for Scotland, then got injured half an hour into the next game 4 days later. He wasn't playing 90 mins 2 days in a row.

If there was serious concerns about his ability to play then I don't think Scotland would've used him. Because...why would they?

Injuries happen, it's ***** for us, it's ***** for him, but it's not always someones fault.

[LunasBoots]

He was recovering from an injury that Hibs were aware of when we signed him. It will have been picked up in medical, Hibs were nursing him into games, not starting him. He’s out for at least 4 months, the signing of him was a mistake, no getting away from it.

Some reports that he should have had surgery for it while at Fulham but they chose to rehab him

[Spike Mandela]

Well the injury he was recovering from wasn't one where he couldn't play as he's been playing for us every game since he signed.

He only played an hour in the first game for Scotland, then got injured half an hour into the next game 4 days later. He wasn't playing 90 mins 2 days in a row.

If there was serious concerns about his ability to play then I don't think Scotland would've used him. Because...why would they?

Injuries happen, it's ***** for us, it's ***** for him, but it's not always someones fault.

I know injuries happen but we could have signed somebody for £600k that wasn’t recovering from an injury. Gives you half a chance.

[Ronniekirk]

“Given his injury history we were conscious of managing his minutes at the start of the season, despite the temptation to play him more because of the positive start he made. With that in mind, it makes it even more frustrating that he has picked up a significant injury during this period.
This is grays most recent comment We resisted the temptation to play him more so it really is a significant blow Altough clearly as we increased his game time it could also of happened when with us

[Ronniekirk]

I know injuries happen but we could have signed somebody for £600k that wasn’t recovering from an injury. Gives you half a chance.
Did the same with Mcgennis and that didn’t work out well
So we won’t see him till end of January probably assuming no set backs

[Greenio]

Ragin

Most promising talent ive seen in a hibs shirt for years

Gtf to whatever ***in numty decided to throw our strategy out the window

It takes a lot for me to get angry but this is a total ****in piss take

Hibs piss weak responce is ****ing ***** too

[Just Alf]

The player is ultimately at fault if they agree to play and breakdown...could Hibs not have told Bowie it would be better if he declines to play...his breakthrough season is totally ruined now for a game vs Malta...ridiculous...!Yup :agree:


Thanks both. I wasn't aware of the rules as to injured players being called up for international duty. In that case I'll fetch the pitchfork and join those is castrating the SFA!I'm with you on that one!

[easty]

Did the same with Mcgennis and that didn’t work out well
So we won’t see him till end of January probably assuming no set backs

It's absolutely nothing like the Magennis transfer. Magennis hadn't played a min of football for 10 months as he was out injured when we signed him. He'd also had 2 periods out injured prior to that.

Bowie has never been out injured until now.

[chrisski33]

Thought Hibs had learned their lesson and were going to sign players who were fit and first team ready. Why are we shelling out our money on players who have to be nursed into the squad gently? What is the point of doing a medical on a player and yet still signing them with a clear and obvious vulnerability? Another bad decision.

This is what im thinking. He wasnt fully fit when he signed as had hamstring injury so why let him go on international duty. Very frustrating

[B.H.F.C]

We’ve seen this so many times. Sign a player coming off a bad injury and it’s one thing after another.

Initially I was thinking that Scotland had totally misused him but it’s not as if it happened at the end of his second 90 minutes or whatever. He’s been training with us over a month and even though we’ve been careful with him he’s appeared in all the games over that time. With that type of injury it was probably a case of when it was going to go again.

It’s so annoying as I thought he was a game changer for us.

If Hibs are unhappy about how much he was used, they should be clear about it though.

[superfurryhibby]

The player is ultimately at fault if they agree to play and breakdown...could Hibs not have told Bowie it would be better if he declines to play...his breakthrough season is totally ruined now for a game vs Malta...ridiculous...!

In a time of player empowerment, the days of being forced to play is surely over, especially V Malta and having just played v Spain?

If there was a hint that the hamstring was feeling it, it would be a bit ridiculous to play.

There again, Bowie might have had no sense of being at risk until the moment it happened. Just an unfortunate thing.

Still, it's happened and it's well shan for all concerned. Bowie was looking like he was getting match fit and was very promising. It's a long recovery time, the laddie must be totally gutted.



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[Southernhibee]

So it’s been confirmed that it’s the same hamstring that has been pulled. Fulham tried to rehabilitate him rather than surgery. I wonder if that’s the next course of action for Hibs. If so he’s probably going to be out for the season. My point about recruitment seems fairly justified given the situation now. If it hadn’t happened on international duty there’s nothing to suggest it wouldn’t have happened playing for Hibs. He has a weakness which I’m hoping can be repaired effectively but there’s always a doubt, especially in the players mind. Feel for the lad as it’s a bloody sore thing to have.

[Hibs Go Bragh]

He could have been rested midweek and it could have went 10mins after coming off the bench for us tomorrow. It sounds like he's been on a knife edge and it could have went at anytime. We better hope Myko doesnt get any injuries this season. That should be a safe bet, right?!

[Centre Hawf]

He was recovering from an injury that Hibs were aware of when we signed him. It will have been picked up in medical, Hibs were nursing him into games, not starting him. He’s out for at least 4 months, the signing of him was a mistake, no getting away from it.

Sorry but that's absolute madness to suggest Hibs have gotten it wrong by signing him. He's clearly quality and has serious potential to be a great player for us. We were managing his return properly and a third party has ****ed it for us.

If you ever think teams at our level will never sign players with slight injury worries again you're off your head.

[Real Emerald]

Ragin

Most promising talent ive seen in a hibs shirt for years

Gtf to whatever ***in numty decided to throw our strategy out the window

It takes a lot for me to get angry but this is a total ****in piss take

Hibs piss weak responce is ****ing ***** too

SDG alluded to the fact Scotland didn’t treat him in the way we have been or would have liked in his interview. If this had been an old firm player you wouldn’t have heard the end of it. In fact there’s no way they would have dared to risk an arse cheek player like this. It’s hugely infuriating.

[B.H.F.C]

Sorry but that's absolute madness to suggest Hibs have gotten it wrong by signing him. He's clearly quality and has serious potential to be a great player for us. We were managing his return properly and a third party has ****ed it for us.

If you ever think teams at our level will never sign players with slight injury worries again you're off your head.

If Scotland had really went against our wishes I think we’d have said. Gray spoke about the next step for him being to start a game and I’m pretty sure he was talking about that last week before the 21s game, saying it wasn’t an issue him going away and starting.

I know he’s ended up starting both games but he’s played less than an hour in the first one and then it’s went early in the second game. It’s impossible to know but just feels to me like stepping it up, whenever, would have given him an issue.

[Dashing Bob S]

I’ll be supporting anyone but Scotland in future internationals. Not just a pathetic footballing country but a hopelessly corrupt one, and yes, the two are related.

[Bobby's Cinema]

That's honestly painful. We're going to be a busy club in January once again I suspect.

[Callum_62]

Gutted for him and us as he looks a talent

Luckily we are fairly well covered up top by still

I know injuries can happen anytime but starting 2 games in 4 days does seem crazy given how we had been building him up

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[He's here!]

If Scotland had really went against our wishes I think we’d have said. Gray spoke about the next step for him being to start a game and I’m pretty sure he was talking about that last week before the 21s game, saying it wasn’t an issue him going away and starting.

I know he’s ended up starting both games but he’s played less than an hour in the first one and then it’s went early in the second game. It’s impossible to know but just feels to me like stepping it up, whenever, would have given him an issue.

I haven't heard Gray's interview today, but from reading the report his quote about expecting Scotland 'to look after him' could be read to mean he doesn't feel that they have.

[Stuart93]

A longish term injury to a player who’s suffered with a longish term injury.

I’ve heard this happen before.

[Centre Hawf]

If Scotland had really went against our wishes I think we’d have said. Gray spoke about the next step for him being to start a game and I’m pretty sure he was talking about that last week before the 21s game, saying it wasn’t an issue him going away and starting.

I know he’s ended up starting both games but he’s played less than an hour in the first one and then it’s went early in the second game. It’s impossible to know but just feels to me like stepping it up, whenever, would have given him an issue.

I honestly don't know what we'd have said, none of us really do, we've not taken a look at the guys fitness levels or his hamstring. My post was more about how it's mental that someone can suggest it was a mistake by the club to sign him.

[Brummie_Hibs]

I haven't heard Gray's interview today, but from reading the report his quote about expecting Scotland 'to look after him' could be read to mean he doesn't feel that they have.
In Lee Johnson style - if you throw somebody into a Lion's cage, and the lion eats that person. Do you blame the lion, or do you say the lion should have known not to eat the person?

Too many people blaming the lion.

[Hibees1973]

The start of the season has been lamentable and this has not helped. If Bowie cost the reported £600k this is a severe blow as the few minutes he played with us so far looked promising. He looked far and away the best signing we made this summer. Was looking forward to seeing him tomorrow as a first league win is now crucial.

With a bit more patience, sense and care this should have been avoided. Gemmill remarked that the pitch was poor in Malta. However, he has been selfish and put an U-21s game against Malta ahead of Hibs and Bowie's best interests and we pay the heavy price for it. You hope Gemmill & Hibs will have a different approach next time when Bowie is available for Scotland again. No one can think it's right that Bowie can start two consecutive games for the U21s when Hibs deemed he was not able to start for us.

When things are not going well things like Bowie's injury compound it.

Gray hid his emotions well but he will be raging. Heaps additional pressure on him.