Hutchison Vale coach does runner? (NHC)

[JohnM1875]

Looks like an ex coach for Hutchie Vale u16's has done a runner with £25k, police investigating. Shame for the kids involved.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/coach-faces-accusation-at-edinburgh-football-club-as-ps25k-vanishes-with-fraud-investigation-ongoing-4776410

Think there's a Justgiving page but couldn't find it so not sure if that's legit.

[Del Boy]

Someone at my work was on about this a few weeks ago as his brother’s son plays there. Was surprised it wasn’t in the press when he was telling me. Pretty shocking stuff and seems to have been pre-meditated.

[Since90+2]

Obviously there needs to be a thorough Police investigation to get to the bottom of it but that doesn't sound good. Real shame for the kids involved and the parents currently out of pocket.

[CapitalGreen]

It will be the usual story - coach will have thought he could make a quick buck by gambling with the trip funds only for the bet losing and him chasing his losses until he’s in to deep to cover the trip.

[theonlywayisup]

It will be the usual story - coach will have thought he could make a quick buck by gambling with the trip funds only for the bet losing and him chasing his losses until he’s in to deep to cover the trip.

Reminds me of the guy who just received Financial
Power of Attorney for his Mother-in-law. His plan was to withdraw £10,000 and bet on Celtic winning away at St. Johnstone and return the £10,000 before anyone noticed. Problem was Saints won 2-0. Oops!

[wookie70]

It will be the usual story - coach will have thought he could make a quick buck by gambling with the trip funds only for the bet losing and him chasing his losses until he’s in to deep to cover the trip.

It surprises me that a single individual would be able to sign off anything in a football club never mind that type of money. Even in the small set up I used to be involved in it was coaches supported by a parent treasurer and the necessity of 2 signatories for anything above petty cash. The coach appears to have been found guilty already judging by the report but who knows he could have been the victim of some sort of phishing scam. Probably best the Police sort it out before anyone is accused of being the perpetrator.

[CropleyWasGod]

It surprises me that a single individual would be able to sign off anything in a football club never mind that type of money. Even in the small set up I used to be involved in it was coaches supported by a parent treasurer and the necessity of 2 signatories for anything above petty cash. The coach appears to have been found guilty already judging by the report but who knows he could have been the victim of some sort of phishing scam. Probably best the Police sort it out before anyone is accused of being the perpetrator.

That's a thought I have every time I read of a fraud or embezzlement. Some responsibility has to be taken by those who can have, or should have had, oversight. I have little sympathy when larger organisations are defrauded; they should have controls in place to prevent or minimise the risk of fraud. In smaller organisations, even the most basic of controls need to be in place.

Whether that's the case here, remains to be seen, but there may be lessons to be learned by others.

[Pretty Boy]

Horrible situation.

Happened to someone I know with a stag weekend not so long ago. One of the guys in charge of booking stuff took money but didn't actually book anything. Guys only found out the night before they were due to travel when he came clean. It was crap for everyone. Guys tried to make the best of the situation for the sake of their mate who was getting married. Guy who took the cash was genuinely remorseful and had a total breakdown. He's got himself into a real situation and thought he saw a quick fix.

Hopefully they can get to the bottom of what has happened here quickly and recover the money.

[HIBS NUTS]

Horrible situation.

Happened to someone I know with a stag weekend not so long ago. One of the guys in charge of booking stuff took money but didn't actually book anything. Guys only found out the night before they were due to travel when he came clean. It was crap for everyone. Guys tried to make the best of the situation for the sake of their mate who was getting married. Guy who took the cash was genuinely remorseful and had a total breakdown. He's got himself into a real situation and thought he saw a quick fix.

Hopefully they can get to the bottom of what has happened here quickly and recover the money.
Is the situation not he stole off his mates, and spoilt the second best day of the guys life with his friends.
i feel absolutely no sympathy for him.

[HH81]

Horrible situation.

Happened to someone I know with a stag weekend not so long ago. One of the guys in charge of booking stuff took money but didn't actually book anything. Guys only found out the night before they were due to travel when he came clean. It was crap for everyone. Guys tried to make the best of the situation for the sake of their mate who was getting married. Guy who took the cash was genuinely remorseful and had a total breakdown. He's got himself into a real situation and thought he saw a quick fix.

Hopefully they can get to the bottom of what has happened here quickly and recover the money.

Heard that happened on a stag doo in my group of friends. Guy only booked flights but took money off everyone for accommodation and trips. They got to place and found out had nothing booked and had to re-pay.

Heard it was a nightmare!

I booked a stag doo to Germany for around 12 lads this summer, had everything booked but so stressful thinking if mess up or goes wrong get load stick. Not sure how anyone could steal cash to be honest!

[Scouse Hibee]

Reminds me of years ago at the AGM of the Liverpool City Bowling Association. The treasurer stood up, read out a very detailed and concise financial report and finished by saying “therefore the balance in the bank should be” £xxxxxx however I have to hold my hands up and tell you that I have personally spent most of it. 😂
He had been with the association for such a long time that they agreed a repayment plan with him, he passed away before getting anywhere near paying it off. The secretary of the league was a serving Police Inspector with Merseyside Police, I recall there was more anger aimed at him for allowing it to happen than there was to the actual treasurer!

[Pretty Boy]

Heard that happened on a stag doo in my group of friends. Guy only booked flights but took money off everyone for accommodation and trips. They got to place and found out had nothing booked and had to re-pay.

Heard it was a nightmare!

It's probably a lot more common than people would imagine.

When it comes to the issue of sympathy I think that's the wrong word as it could be seen as a tacit approval. I would say understanding is more how I would describe some of my feeling towards people who do such things. It's wrong behaviour and it's inexcusable but inexcusable doesn't always equal inexplicable. In some cases it may just be motivated by inherent badness or greed but in most instances I have encountered it has been desperation and guilt has weighed heavily (as it should of course). I'm forever reminded I am a total bleeding heart though so I accept many (probably most) will feel differently.

One of the recurring themes in these cases seems to be compulsive or habitual gambling. That's an unspoken epidemic and a socially acceptable one until something like the scenario I have spoken about rears it's head. The temptation to have a bet is thrust in people's faces whether they like it or not but that's another discussion altogether.

[The dalmeny]

This is in danger of being the most level headed thread on .net.

I really feel for the kids. Did trips with mine and I remember how excited we all were. Who knows why the coach did this, just bonkers.

[cameronw-hfc]

That's a thought I have every time I read of a fraud or embezzlement. Some responsibility has to be taken by those who can have, or should have had, oversight. I have little sympathy when larger organisations are defrauded; they should have controls in place to prevent or minimise the risk of fraud. In smaller organisations, even the most basic of controls need to be in place.

Whether that's the case here, remains to be seen, but there may be lessons to be learned by others.



As someone running a small club, sometimes there is only one person. Obviously Hutchie are a different beast to most youth clubs, but it happens at smaller clubs more frequently unfortunately because sometimes there is only one or two people involved.

[CropleyWasGod]

As someone running a small club, sometimes there is only one person. Obviously Hutchie are a different beast to most youth clubs, but it happens at smaller clubs more frequently unfortunately because sometimes there is only one or two people involved.

I get that. :agree:

I would always say to people in that position, in order to protect themselves against any accusations or suspicions, to find some way of being reviewed/supervised. That might be as simple as having a parent of one of the players, who has appropriate experience, review things from time to time. On a voluntary basis, obvs. :greengrin

Situations like the Hutchie one (whatever it is) just make it so much more difficult for every other honest volunteer out there.

[wookie70]

As someone running a small club, sometimes there is only one person. Obviously Hutchie are a different beast to most youth clubs, but it happens at smaller clubs more frequently unfortunately because sometimes there is only one or two people involved.

Fair point but as you say Hutchie should be able to advice new coaches and parents in a new team/age group. Bonnyrigg Rose certainly helped out when we started up. No idea who is to blame here but perhaps some sort of admin course is needed along with the coaching badges that you have to do. While getting volunteers is never easy it is a team so there are usually multiple parents so it should always be possible to get two signatories

[McD]

Looks like an ex coach for Hutchie Vale u16's has done a runner with £25k, police investigating. Shame for the kids involved.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/coach-faces-accusation-at-edinburgh-football-club-as-ps25k-vanishes-with-fraud-investigation-ongoing-4776410

Think there's a Justgiving page but couldn't find it so not sure if that's legit.



My boss’s laddie is in the team that was to be going to this tournament, he told us about it a couple of months ago, said it wasn’t clear what had happened beyond the fact the money wasn’t where it should be (either paid to providers or in an accessible account).


Feel for the young boys who’ll have been looking forward to going to a tournament abroad

[Broxburn Greens]

That's a thought I have every time I read of a fraud or embezzlement. Some responsibility has to be taken by those who can have, or should have had, oversight. I have little sympathy when larger organisations are defrauded; they should have controls in place to prevent or minimise the risk of fraud. In smaller organisations, even the most basic of controls need to be in place.

Whether that's the case here, remains to be seen, but there may be lessons to be learned by others.

Agree, Golf club I’m on the committee all money leaving the bank has to be signed off by two people, just makes common sense and protects those dealing with the cash from accusations.


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