Ian Gordon Sky

[7Hero]

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11792/13210484/hibernian-ian-gordon-talks-transfers-manager-sackings-finances-more

Over an Hour of Ian Gordon with Luke Shanley

[Heisenberg]

Luke asking if Brian McDermott was brought in as a human shield for Ian. Oft.

IG has certainly said numerous times that mistakes have been made. Trying to pin the Mueller signing on Jack Ross is wild though 😂

[Unseen work]

Can’t help but really feel for him and his family.

They’ve done what thousands have said before about how we need to shop in a different market, be a bit more creative etc

They tried to change pretty much everything. Recruitment, hiring a coach (Maloney) who was highly rated and they thought would play good football etc.

A bit of naivety and some poor decisions.

Really hope they get it right

[Paulie Walnuts]

I see he’s admitted he was head of recruitment for a year and a half.

So much for Ron telling us it was just a title he’d been given then (which of course we all knew was absolute lies at the time).

[we are hibs]

I see he’s admitted he was head of recruitment for a year and a half.

So much for Ron telling us it was just a title he’d been given then (which of course we all knew was absolute lies at the time).The whole part about "doing courses" was a bit weird.


Someone who passes a first aid course doesn't get to perform major surgery. It was a ludicrous situation and position for him to be involved in. It didn't need hindsight to see that.

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[Hibs90]

Kensell needs to go that much is clear. Lied to the fans.

[CallumLaidlaw]

I see he’s admitted he was head of recruitment for a year and a half.

So much for Ron telling us it was just a title he’d been given then (which of course we all knew was absolute lies at the time).

And he also says he appreciates the lack of transparency was a mistake.


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[AugustaHibs]

Kensell needs to go that much is clear. Lied to the fans.

I’m not denying that, but what about?

[Hibs90]

I’m not denying that, but what about?

Lied at the AGM, in interviews about the finance figures next year being “much better”

Ian has just said otherwise in two interviews. From The Scotsman article: Hibs are also running at a loss, too. The financial results posted last year were grim, being £3.9m in the red for the year up to 30 June 2023. Wage to turnover ratio increased to 81 per cent. The next set of figures are not expected to be much better. The Gordon dynasty is not short of a penny but such a situation is not sustainable in the long run.

[Paulie Walnuts]

And he also says he appreciates the lack of transparency was a mistake.


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Outright lying about it isn’t a lack of transparency to me. It’s lying. A lack of transparency would have been had it never been put on the website etc. Ron point blank denied that he was in charge of it and bizarrely claimed he’d been given a title that in no way reflected his role.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Lied at the AGM, in interviews about the finance figures next year being “much better”

Ian has just said otherwise in two interviews. From The Scotsman article: Hibs are also running at a loss, too. The financial results posted last year were grim, being £3.9m in the red for the year up to 30 June 2023. Wage to turnover ratio increased to 81 per cent. The next set of figures are not expected to be much better. The Gordon dynasty is not short of a penny but such a situation is not sustainable in the long run.

It was suggested in another thread that when this was mentioned in yesterday’s article that what was meant as 22/23 were crap (as we know), 23/24 would be decent (the year Kensell claims are going to be good when they come out) and 24/25 could be crap again. It may well just be badly written, but todays article to me certainly suggests that Kensell was lying. Will be interesting to see whether Kensell has been talking pish, again, or if the article has it wrong.

[Brightside]

Lied at the AGM, in interviews about the finance figures next year being “much better”

Ian has just said otherwise in two interviews. From The Scotsman article: Hibs are also running at a loss, too. The financial results posted last year were grim, being £3.9m in the red for the year up to 30 June 2023. Wage to turnover ratio increased to 81 per cent. The next set of figures are not expected to be much better. The Gordon dynasty is not short of a penny but such a situation is not sustainable in the long run.

So if wages to turnover is down to 70% is that not much better?

[Since452]

Luke asking if Brian McDermott was brought in as a human shield for Ian. Oft.

IG has certainly said numerous times that mistakes have been made. Trying to pin the Mueller signing on Jack Ross is wild though 😂

Luke doesn't mess his words! Asks the questions that need asked. One of the few really good reporters imo.

[Northernhibee]

All sounds a bit like the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing.

[Hibs90]

It was suggested in another thread that when this was mentioned in yesterday’s article that what was meant as 22/23 were crap (as we know), 23/24 would be decent (the year Kensell claims are going to be good when they come out) and 24/25 could be crap again. It may well just be badly written, but todays article to me certainly suggests that Kensell was lying. Will be interesting to see whether Kensell has been talking pish, again, or if the article has it wrong.

Fair enough, haven’t seen that thread yet.

Either way, not a good look.

[TrinityHFC]

The whole part about "doing courses" was a bit weird.


Someone who passes a first aid course doesn't get to perform major surgery. It was a ludicrous situation and position for him to be involved in. It didn't need hindsight to see that.

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There are specific UEFA recruitment courses that do qualify you to take on these roles. They say in the details that no particular experience is required beforehand.

Most scouts and members of recruitment teams aren’t ex players or coaches so he is as entitled as anyone to go and become qualified.

[flash]

A very open and honest interview.

Needless to say, although no doubt it will be said ad nauseum, it's improvement on the pitch that will determine the success of any changes made.

The structure definitely looks better to me now and I would expect that to be translated into improved performance.

As others have said before Scottish football is pretty straightforward and it was definitely a case of the owners trying to be a bit too clever, a fact he repeatedly acknowledged in this interview.

Well done to big Luke for asking all the questions we would want asked.

[TrinityHFC]

Lied at the AGM, in interviews about the finance figures next year being “much better”

Ian has just said otherwise in two interviews. From The Scotsman article: Hibs are also running at a loss, too. The financial results posted last year were grim, being £3.9m in the red for the year up to 30 June 2023. Wage to turnover ratio increased to 81 per cent. The next set of figures are not expected to be much better. The Gordon dynasty is not short of a penny but such a situation is not sustainable in the long run.

He was talking specifically about that year which would include European football and increased turnover from the facilities which would be improved from the previous year.

We obviously went on to have a poor season and sounds like we’ve decided to keep trying to invest further.

[we are hibs]

There are specific UEFA recruitment courses that do qualify you to take on these roles. They say in the details that no particular experience is required beforehand.

Most scouts and members of recruitment teams aren’t ex players or coaches so he is as entitled as anyone to go and become qualified.

He should never have been near head of recruitment. That's my point. I don't care about what courses he's been on. The point was that him doing those courses doesn't qualify him to be running the most important part of the club so I don't see what relevance there was to him bringing it up.

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[flash]

He should never have been near head of recruitment. That's my point. I don't care about what courses he's been on. The point was that him doing those courses doesn't qualify him to be running the most important part of the club so I don't see what relevance there was to him bringing it up.

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He brought it up because he was specifically asked to.

[TrinityHFC]

He should never have been near head of recruitment. That's my point. I don't care about what courses he's been on. The point was that him doing those courses doesn't qualify him to be running the most important part of the club so I don't see what relevance there was to him bringing it up.

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The courses are directly relevant for people doing those roles.

It was about managing and co ordinating a recruitment team which you can certainly learn. The courses also qualify people in the skills required in player identification.

It isn’t quite the old days when scouts sit and watch players and get a feel if they are good players or not. It is all about gathering information about what they do under various different conditions, compiling all the data and videos etc and taking them to the wider team and manager to review.

Are you saying that someone who’s family own the club just can’t ever be qualified to do a job at the club?

Even the old school scouts - the majority of them were never players or coaches.

[Northernhibee]

It’s irrelevant if you’ve done a few courses - if he was playing about as a scout then that’s one thing.

He wasn’t just a scout, he was head of recruitment and hopelessly unqualified from lack of experience.

[Unseen work]

Just finished the interview.

Well done for coming out and speaking to the press and to holding your hands up to numerous failings.

Hopefully we kick on from here.

[Nicho87]

The emphasis on Malky appears huge

With that said

I am slightly concerned

[Northernhibee]

The emphasis on Malky appears huge

With that said

I am slightly concerned

Interesting that when it comes to priorities, it was football, community, and fans.

If we are still losing money then that’s not sustainable. Ben Kensell should be under massive pressure to get that changed, just as much as Malky McKay and SDG are under massive pressure to get results on the pitch.

I do genuinely think IG is a nice guy, just massively out of his depth. He’s fun and energetic I’m quite sure, but STF, Petrie, and Dempster wouldn’t take any **** whatsoever and I don’t get that from him. You couldn’t describe them as fun (maybe Leeann but I always got the feeling that you wouldn’t want to get on the wrong side of her).

[Unseen work]

Interesting that when it comes to priorities, it was football, community, and fans.

If we are still losing money then that’s not sustainable. Ben Kensell should be under massive pressure to get that changed, just as much as Malky McKay and SDG are under massive pressure to get results on the pitch.

I do genuinely think IG is a nice guy, just massively out of his depth. He’s fun and energetic I’m quite sure, but STF, Petrie, and Dempster wouldn’t take any **** whatsoever and I don’t get that from him. You couldn’t describe them as fun (maybe Leeann but I always got the feeling that you wouldn’t want to get on the wrong side of her).

Tbf that’s all guesswork about how much **** they’re willing to take.

And even if they do/don't, how has it benefited us?

People are acting like the Gordon’s tenure has been a complete disaster that the club isn’t used to. When in reality 5-8th place finishes is as consistent as it gets for us.

[flash]

Interesting that when it comes to priorities, it was football, community, and fans.

If we are still losing money then that’s not sustainable. Ben Kensell should be under massive pressure to get that changed, just as much as Malky McKay and SDG are under massive pressure to get results on the pitch.

I do genuinely think IG is a nice guy, just massively out of his depth. He’s fun and energetic I’m quite sure, but STF, Petrie, and Dempster wouldn’t take any **** whatsoever and I don’t get that from him. You couldn’t describe them as fun (maybe Leeann but I always got the feeling that you wouldn’t want to get on the wrong side of her).

Ah yes the relentless success and joy we had in those golden years.

[Northernhibee]

Tbf that’s all guesswork about how much **** they’re willing to take.

And even if they do/don't, how has it benefited us?

People are acting like the Gordon’s tenure has been a complete disaster that the club isn’t used to. When in reality 5-8th place finishes is as consistent as it gets for us.

We’ve got a bloated squad with players like Kenneh and McKirdy who are country miles short of our level. We have the likes of Vente and Jair out on loan who were also dreadful and on good contracts.

We’re losing money. We’ve gone from third in recent years to a bottom six team who can be beaten by almost anybody, we have no games we go into that we can be confident in.

The whole experience of Hibs is less enjoyable than when they took over.

It has been IMO a disaster. Genuinely think the only ones defending the record of IG/BK are just absolutely desperate to believe it themselves. It’s all like the tale of Cassandra.

[flash]

We’ve got a bloated squad with players like Kenneh and McKirdy who are country miles short of our level. We have the likes of Vente and Jair out on loan who were also dreadful and on good contracts.

We’re losing money. We’ve gone from third in recent years to a bottom six team who can be beaten by almost anybody, we have no games we go into that we can be confident in.

The whole experience of Hibs is less enjoyable than when they took over.

It has been IMO a disaster. Genuinely think the only ones defending the record of IG/BK are just absolutely desperate to believe it themselves.

He isn't even defending it himself.

[Northernhibee]

He isn't even defending it himself.

Because to do so would be a busted flush. It’s beyond debating.

It’s good that we’re finally talking about something that’s resembling reality but if I was to go and crash my car, I don’t necessarily get to go and drive it home.

It’s absolutely fair that the Gordon’s and Kensell are put under massive scrutiny. It’s not negative or toxic to do so.

[Unseen work]

We’ve got a bloated squad with players like Kenneh and McKirdy who are country miles short of our level. We have the likes of Vente and Jair out on loan who were also dreadful and on good contracts.

We’re losing money. We’ve gone from third in recent years to a bottom six team who can be beaten by almost anybody, we have no games we go into that we can be confident in.

The whole experience of Hibs is less enjoyable than when they took over.

It has been IMO a disaster. Genuinely think the only ones defending the record of IG/BK are just absolutely desperate to believe it themselves. It’s all like the tale of Cassandra.

Every squad has players deemed not good enough, we’re not alone in that. It’s Kenneh now, before it was guys like Tom Soares.

Again we’ve also been capable of losing to pretty much anyone. I’ve never went into a game as a Hibs fan 100% confident we’d win.

I think it has been really poor since the Gordon family have came in. I think some of it is naivety, some poor decisions and some listening to the support too much.

He says himself the Ross sacking was a knee jerk reaction, 100% that’s was caused the sacking and the subsequent appointment of Maloney who they thought would play attractive football

[flash]

Because to do so would be a busted flush. It’s beyond debating.

It’s good that we’re finally talking about something that’s resembling reality but if I was to go and crash my car, I don’t necessarily get to go and drive it home.

It’s absolutely fair that the Gordon’s and Kensell are put under massive scrutiny. It’s not negative or toxic to do so.

I totally agree they deserve to be under the spotlight.

Not sure I understand your car crash analogy.

[CallumLaidlaw]

Luke doesn't mess his words! Asks the questions that need asked. One of the few really good reporters imo.

Aye he was brilliant. Didn’t miss with the questions.


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[jeffers]

Good on Luke for asking the questions most of us would have wanted put to IG. Don’t believe was 100% honest in what he said, but at least we finally heard from him.

The big thing for me was how much hope we are pinning on MM being the right appointment, I’m far from convinced so far and wonder where we go next if he isn’t.

[Northernhibee]

I totally agree they deserve to be under the spotlight.

Not sure I understand your car crash analogy.

There’s lots of “yeah, we made mistakes”, “we didn’t get that right”, “that’s a fair assessment”.

We all make mistakes. Lots of them, in fact. If we keep making the same mistakes then big questions need to be asked as in if we’re competent to be in a position to make these mistakes or not.

If I kerb my alloy then that’s nothing, mistakes happen. If I drive my car at 100mph and write it off or crash it every week it would be right if a judgment call is made to stop me from driving.


Owning a company is a huge responsibility. IG shouldn’t get many more mistakes before we start to ask how can we look to have someone else making these decisions.

[flash]

Good on Luke for asking the questions most of us would have wanted put to IG. Don’t believe was 100% honest in what he said, but at least we finally heard from him.

The big thing for me was how much hope we are pinning on MM being the right appointment, I’m far from convinced so far and wonder where we go next if he isn’t.

Aw Jeffers at least wait until it goes completely tits up before wondering who will be next!

[Paulie Walnuts]

People are acting like the Gordon’s tenure has been a complete disaster that the club isn’t used to. When in reality 5-8th place finishes is as consistent as it gets for us.

What that fails to consider though is that the Gordon’s tenure has also seen a massive increase in our expenditure on the playing side.

For example, when the Gordon’s came in, our total staff costs were £6.3m. In 2023 they were £10.1m. Roughly a 60% increase.

As a comparison, Kilmarnock staff costs in 2019 were £3.7m. In 2023 they were still £3.7m. A 0% increase. St Mirren staff costs in 2019 were £3m and in 2023 they were £3.8m. About a 25% increase.

With huge increases in expenditure should come increased levels of success. The fact it’s been much the same as it was previously is a huge failing in itself.

[Unseen work]

What that fails to consider though is that the Gordon’s tenure has also seen a massive increase in our expenditure on the playing side.

For example, when the Gordon’s came in, our total staff costs were £6.3m. In 2023 they were £10.1m. Roughly a 60% increase.

As a comparison, Kilmarnock staff costs in 2019 were £3.7m. In 2023 they were still £3.7m. A 0% increase. St Mirren staff costs in 2019 were £3m and in 2023 they were £3.8m. About a 25% increase.

With huge increases in expenditure should come increased levels of success. The fact it’s been much the same as it was previously is a huge failing in itself.

Completely agree.

But as he touched on in the interview, that all stems from the poor decisions made in the recruitment of players and managers.

The constant chopping and changing has lead to a big squad, mix of players no one wants and managers/staff that are sacked after a short period of time.

Hopefully with a bit of consistency and longevity under Malky and SDG those staff figures reduce significantly as we’re not getting value for money at the moment

[Wilson]

I totally agree they deserve to be under the spotlight.

Not sure I understand your car crash analogy.

It is a crap analogy. I crashed my car and there was nothing stopping me getting back in it and driving on. Except that it turned out not to be roadworthy.

Hibs are roadworthy under Ian Gordon. We just need to get a bit closer to winning our races.

[jeffers]

Aw Jeffers at least wait until it goes completely tits up before wondering who will be next!

I know mate, they’ve just got me in that mindset. Something about MM just doesn’t fully convince me though.

[TrinityHFC]

Completely agree.

But as he touched on in the interview, that all stems from the poor decisions made in the recruitment of players and managers.

The constant chopping and changing has lead to a big squad, mix of players no one wants and managers/staff that are sacked after a short period of time.

Hopefully with a bit of consistency and longevity under Malky and SDG those staff figures reduce significantly as we’re not getting value for money at the moment

It is all encouraged on here though isn’t it? Then criticised when it happens. David Gray being put under immediate pressure - Malky Mackay already getting it. Change is demanded every time.

We have people wanting to add another keeper and discard one after a few games - we seem to want a new defence despite them playing a handful of games. If we want everything to settle down and develop then we need to allow that to get a chance to happen.

[flash]

I know mate, they’ve just got me in that mindset. Something about MM just doesn’t fully convince me though.

I am the opposite in that I find his presence seems to have steadied the ship already.

Let's hope I am right on this one.

[Jones28]

There’s lots of “yeah, we made mistakes”, “we didn’t get that right”, “that’s a fair assessment”.

We all make mistakes. Lots of them, in fact. If we keep making the same mistakes then big questions need to be asked as in if we’re competent to be in a position to make these mistakes or not.

If I kerb my alloy then that’s nothing, mistakes happen. If I drive my car at 100mph and write it off or crash it every week it would be right if a judgment call is made to stop me from driving.


Owning a company is a huge responsibility. IG shouldn’t get many more mistakes before we start to ask how can we look to have someone else making these decisions.

In this analogy they aren't crashing the car, they're kerbing the alloy every week. A car crash is not what Hibs is at the moment.

To torture this analogy just a bit more, they have the L plates off now and are seemingly learning from mistakes. We've already seen this IMO.

[Unseen work]

It is all encouraged on here though isn’t it? Then criticised when it happens. David Gray being put under immediate pressure - Malky Mackay already getting it. Change is demanded every time.

We have people wanting to add another keeper and discard one after a few games - we seem to want a new defence despite them playing a handful of games. If we want everything to settle down and develop then we need to allow that to get a chance to happen.

Completely agree, it all started with fans being desperate for Jack Ross to be sacked and a more exciting managerial appointment to be made who would play good football.

I’m hoping Malky will settle everyone down in the building and allow SDG and the players time.

[flash]

Completely agree, it all started with fans being desperate for Jack Ross to be sacked and a more exciting managerial appointment to be made who would play good football.

I’m hoping Malky will settle everyone down in the building and allow SDG and the players time.

I wanted Jack Ross sacked at the time but am now happy to acknowledge I most likely got that one badly wrong.

[ChuckNor]

Half way through the interview. As someone who works in the media industry, I have never heard an interview where a business owner has admitted to so many incredible mistakes. Fair play to him for finally opening up to the media, but the end result from all this should be massive alarm bells. He doesn’t know the first thing about owning a business. Ben Kensell had been entrusted to run this business and is failing massively. As others have pointed out, Ben has once again lied ti the fans. He has to be told to leave.

I sincerely hope the appointment of Malky works out. If it fails then this club could be in an even bigger crisis than it already is. I would still like to know more about why David Marshall was appointed into that recruitment role. Another very strange decision that does not bode well, especially given the rumours I have heard that he was central to the signings of the two goalkeepers.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Completely agree.

But as he touched on in the interview, that all stems from the poor decisions made in the recruitment of players and managers.

The constant chopping and changing has lead to a big squad, mix of players no one wants and managers/staff that are sacked after a short period of time.

Hopefully with a bit of consistency and longevity under Malky and SDG those staff figures reduce significantly as we’re not getting value for money at the moment

It might well stem from that, but that’s part of why their tenure has been a massive failure. They’ve repeatedly appointed absolute guff in managerial positions, decided to change approach nigh on every season, and the results have suffered because of it. That’s on them. If they had managed to display a reasonable degree of competency then our increase on expenditure should have seen some very good sporting performance, not just more of the same.

[superfurryhibby]

It is all encouraged on here though isn’t it? Then criticised when it happens. David Gray being put under immediate pressure - Malky Mackay already getting it. Change is demanded every time.

We have people wanting to add another keeper and discard one after a few games - we seem to want a new defence despite them playing a handful of games. If we want everything to settle down and develop then we need to allow that to get a chance to happen.

Signing better quality players would have been a good way of helping these things settle and develop. Our new keeper and two centre halves have yet to show any signs that they are an upgrade on the ones they replaced, but of course they'll get time, there's not much else for it but to give them a chance.

Change is demanded because we have been dire.

Expectations were heightened by our partnership with the BK and through the words of our CEO.
If anyone at Hibs is surprised at the continuing question marks about the direction of the club, after the start to the season and the very mixed but largely uninspired transfer window, then they're delusional.

Appointing Gray was a gamble, Failure to adequately back him will turn Hibs fans against the Gordon regime irreversibly.

Mackay's appointment was another big gamble. A a very divisive figure and someone who just happened to be a good friend of leading figures at the club...we'll see how well judged that one was.

[ChuckNor]

It is all encouraged on here though isn’t it? Then criticised when it happens. David Gray being put under immediate pressure - Malky Mackay already getting it. Change is demanded every time.

We have people wanting to add another keeper and discard one after a few games - we seem to want a new defence despite them playing a handful of games. If we want everything to settle down and develop then we need to allow that to get a chance to happen.

You make valid points regarding the constant clamor for change in non-playing staff. For me there was signs aganst Kilmarnock that the defence is starting to settle. However, a bag goalkeeper is a bad goalkeeper. They don’t take time to settle or adjust. I can’t think of one goalkeeper who came in and looked crap before becoming excellent. Goalkeepers are good or bad regardless of what league they play in. Bursic will not work out here, he is lacking as a shot stopper and in distribution. I strongly feel that we will attempt to sign a goalkeeper in January and let him return to his club. I know that some in the club have been disappointed and alarmed with his performances so far.

[flash]

You make valid points regarding the constant clamor for change in non-playing staff. For me there was signs aganst Kilmarnock that the defence is starting to settle. However, a bag goalkeeper is a bad goalkeeper. They don’t take time to settle or adjust. I can’t think of one goalkeeper who came in and looked crap before becoming excellent. Goalkeepers are good or bad regardless of what league they play in. Bursic will not work out here, he is lacking as a shot stopper and in distribution. I strongly feel that we will attempt to sign a goalkeeper in January and let him return to his club. I know that some in the club have been disappointed and alarmed with his performances so far.

Adam Bogdan did purely in the interests of balance.

[ChilliEater]

You make valid points regarding the constant clamor for change in non-playing staff. For me there was signs aganst Kilmarnock that the defence is starting to settle. However, a bag goalkeeper is a bad goalkeeper. They don’t take time to settle or adjust. I can’t think of one goalkeeper who came in and looked crap before becoming excellent. Goalkeepers are good or bad regardless of what league they play in. Bursic will not work out here, he is lacking as a shot stopper and in distribution. I strongly feel that we will attempt to sign a goalkeeper in January and let him return to his club. I know that some in the club have been disappointed and alarmed with his performances so far.

I'd argue that Bogdan looked crap and became excellent and that Zibby looked excellent and became crap. As someone who works in the education industry, I'd also have to back the notion that, with the application of hard work and the right guidance, anyone can improve at any skill.

[Unseen work]

I wanted Jack Ross sacked at the time but am now happy to acknowledge I most likely got that one badly wrong.

And that’s where it’s easy for us fans to say “this needs to happen” only got wa year later when it turns out to be the wrong decision, we have zero accountability.

I’m not saying we should btw, just that it shows how quick things and opinions can change in football.

The recruitment and shopping in different leagues for better value is a big one too

[CallumLaidlaw]

You make valid points regarding the constant clamor for change in non-playing staff. For me there was signs aganst Kilmarnock that the defence is starting to settle. However, a bag goalkeeper is a bad goalkeeper. They don’t take time to settle or adjust. I can’t think of one goalkeeper who came in and looked crap before becoming excellent. Goalkeepers are good or bad regardless of what league they play in. Bursic will not work out here, he is lacking as a shot stopper and in distribution. I strongly feel that we will attempt to sign a goalkeeper in January and let him return to his club. I know that some in the club have been disappointed and alarmed with his performances so far.

Bogdan.


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[Hibbyradge]

In this analogy they aren't crashing the car, they're kerbing the alloy every week. A car crash is not what Hibs is at the moment.

To torture this analogy just a bit more, they have the L plates off now and are seemingly learning from mistakes. We've already seen this IMO.

I'll go further.

I don't think they're crashing the car or kerbing it.

Like all novice drivers, there's a green P on the back of it and they're stalling the car from time to time.

Once they work out clutch control, things will get smoother. And hopefully, they'll move on to an automatic car soon.

An electric one.

(That's enough car analogies (or are they metaphors) - Ed).

[ChuckNor]

Bogdan did not become good. He left Hibs, was barely missed and went on to play a handful of games over the rest of his career. If anything Bogdan proves my point.

[flash]

Bogdan did not become good. He left Hibs, was barely missed and went on to play a handful of games over the rest of his career. If anything Bogdan proves my point.

Bogdan became a cracking keeper for us.

[ChuckNor]

Bogdan became a cracking keeper for us.

He never managed to become number 1 over his two spells with us. He had a handful of decent games but ultimately failed to dislodge the first choice keeper and was released. To say he was a "cracking keeper" is a bit mad given the few games he played and failure to become number 1.

[He's here!]

Every squad has players deemed not good enough, we’re not alone in that. It’s Kenneh now, before it was guys like Tom Soares.

Again we’ve also been capable of losing to pretty much anyone. I’ve never went into a game as a Hibs fan 100% confident we’d win.

I think it has been really poor since the Gordon family have came in. I think some of it is naivety, some poor decisions and some listening to the support too much.

He says himself the Ross sacking was a knee jerk reaction, 100% that’s was caused the sacking and the subsequent appointment of Maloney who they thought would play attractive football

I think the difference post-Jack Ross (ie when the Gordons really became hands-on) is that we have signed an unprecedented number of sub-standard players who have simply been a drain on our resources.

And no, you can never be 100% confident as a Hibs fan, but these days I get far more of a sense than I've done before that other teams see us as very beatable and that a win over Hibs is no longer a notable scalp.

[CapitalGreen]

Interesting that when it comes to priorities, it was football, community, and fans.

If we are still losing money then that’s not sustainable. Ben Kensell should be under massive pressure to get that changed, just as much as Malky McKay and SDG are under massive pressure to get results on the pitch.

I do genuinely think IG is a nice guy, just massively out of his depth. He’s fun and energetic I’m quite sure, but STF, Petrie, and Dempster wouldn’t take any **** whatsoever and I don’t get that from him. You couldn’t describe them as fun (maybe Leeann but I always got the feeling that you wouldn’t want to get on the wrong side of her).

Dempster wouldn’t take any ****?

She let Lennon take the piss for months and only got rid of him when her hand was forced. Even then she made a mess of the dismissal.

[CapitalGreen]

Aye he was brilliant. Didn’t miss with the questions.


Questions were good but I’d have liked him to probe some of the answers a bit more. At points it seemed like they were trying to box off as many questions as possible which had an impact on actual detail.

[MWHIBBIES]

He never managed to become number 1 over his two spells with us. He had a handful of decent games but ultimately failed to dislodge the first choice keeper and was released. To say he was a "cracking keeper" is a bit mad given the few games he played and failure to become number 1.

Bogdan was number 1 when Rocky was injured, Rocky was number 1 when Bogdan got injured. Both were cracking keepers for Hibs

[MWHIBBIES]

Kensell needs to go that much is clear. Lied to the fans.

Did he lie any more than the Gordon's have?

[ChuckNor]

Questions were good but I’d have liked him to probe some of the answers a bit more. At points it seemed like they were trying to box off as many questions as possible which had an impact on actual detail.

Easy to say that afterwards. I think he did a cracking job. Ian has just admitted to wide scale failure at a business he owns. He has also taken responsibility for that failure. The journalist’s questioning did that.

[JimBHibees]

I am the opposite in that I find his presence seems to have steadied the ship already.

Let's hope I am right on this one.

That is my current thinking. He is clearly hands on and wants to do well. Think i mentioned it at the time he came in was the difficulty may be he wants to be in control of everything and not only his role of sporting director. Probably completely wrong with that.

[CapitalGreen]

Easy to say that afterwards. I think he did a cracking job. Ian has just admitted to wide scale failure at a business he owns. He has also taken responsibility for that failure. The journalist’s questioning did that.

We all know the Gordon’s have made mistakes, I’d argue that he didn’t take responsibility for all the failures though. I’d have like more detailed explanation of why previous decisions were made and what will be done differently which would hopefully give me more confidence they won’t be repeated. However many of the answers were simply different variations of “lessons have been learnt and there is a new structure in place with Malky” before moving onto the next question.

[Springbank]

I am definitely in the camp that thinks Malky Mackay will be a very good appointment for Hibs & our progress on the field.

His job is really a 25/26 one (150th anniversary year) with this season being keeping a ship afloat till the dead wood can be jettisoned next summer.

I think we have a decent front 4 or 5 (depending on Elie Youan's headspace after what must have been an unsettling period for him) but a frontline of Hoilett, Boyle, Kukharevych, Bowie and Youan ought to give 10 of the 11 other teams in the league some serious problems.

We have a shaky backline and keeper, but hopefully a more robust midfield than has been the case of late, with Kwon & Triantis plus one of Newell, NMW, Campbell. With a talented frontline in front of them, the midfield's job should be to be solid & protect the shaky defence when the opposition have the ball, and to release the pacemen up front ASAP (no pi$$ing about in the wrong areas of the pitch) when they get the ball.

A couple of wins vs St Johnstone and Motherwell in the next 2 home games are essential but will really help to settle the nerves

[Lago]

Bogdan did not become good. He left Hibs, was barely missed and went on to play a handful of games over the rest of his career. If anything Bogdan proves my point.
Bit of a stretch there 🤔

[Steve20]

Bogdan wasn't terrible or anything like that, but to say he was a 'cracking keeper for us' is simply not true.

He was average.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I am definitely in the camp that thinks Malky Mackay will be a very good appointment for Hibs & our progress on the field.

His job is really a 25/26 one (150th anniversary year) with this season being keeping a ship afloat till the dead wood can be jettisoned next summer.

I think we have a decent front 4 or 5 (depending on Elie Youan's headspace after what must have been an unsettling period for him) but a frontline of Hoilett, Boyle, Kukharevych, Bowie and Youan ought to give 10 of the 11 other teams in the league some serious problems.

We have a shaky backline and keeper, but hopefully a more robust midfield than has been the case of late, with Kwon & Triantis plus one of Newell, NMW, Campbell. With a talented frontline in front of them, the midfield's job should be to be solid & protect the shaky defence when the opposition have the ball, and to release the pacemen up front ASAP (no pi$$ing about in the wrong areas of the pitch) when they get the ball.

A couple of wins vs St Johnstone and Motherwell in the next 2 home games are essential but will really help to settle the nerves

Why does it always have to be next year with Hibs?

Hearts romped third last season with guys like Gordon, Mackay, Halkett, Halliday, Fraser, Lowry and Haring offering not all that much. Why do we have to wait till every last piece of ‘dead wood’ is gone whilst other teams manage to just get on with it? We’ve only got about 5 players that can be considered deadwood now and they’ve been told they won’t train with the first team, why does that leave us simply hoping to keep the ship afloat this season?

What happens next season when last seasons deadwood is gone but we’re left with 5 or 6 deadwood from this summers signings still hanging around? Does it roll over to 26/27 until we can expect better?

[Wilson]

Why does it always have to be next year with Hibs?

Hearts romped third last season with guys like Gordon, Mackay, Halkett, Halliday, Fraser, Lowry and Haring offering not all that much. Why do we have to wait till every last piece of ‘dead wood’ is gone whilst other teams manage to just get on with it?

What happens next season when last seasons deadwood is gone but we’re left with 5 or 6 deadwood from this summers signings still hanging around? Does it roll over to 26/27 until we can expect better?

That is evolution and striving for improvement. I think you're always trying to be better next season than last. We just have identifiable barriers (contracts) that prevent us getting to where we want to be quickly enough.

I expect we'll be better this season, than last. I expect we'll still have scope to kick on.

You are right though. Hearts showed you don't have to be too formidable to achieve in this league. We shouldn't shy away from a bit of ambition - we just aren't in a place to shout from the rooftops about what we can achieve.

[Paulie Walnuts]

That is evolution and striving for improvement. I think you're always trying to be better next season than last. We just have identifiable barriers (contracts) that prevent us getting to where we want to be quickly enough.

I expect we'll be better this season, than last. I expect we'll still have scope to kick on.

You are right though. Hearts showed you don't have to be too formidable to achieve in this league. We shouldn't shy away from a bit of ambition - we just aren't in a place to shout from the rooftops about what we can achieve.

I just don’t buy the idea we’re saddled with deadwood anymore. Every team has players who aren’t offering much. Guys like JDH and McKirdy still being at the club shouldn’t be an excuse for us not challenging for European spots for example, especially if they’re not going to be part of the first team squad when it comes to training etc.

[Heisenberg]

I am definitely in the camp that thinks Malky Mackay will be a very good appointment for Hibs & our progress on the field.

His job is really a 25/26 one (150th anniversary year) with this season being keeping a ship afloat till the dead wood can be jettisoned next summer.

I think we have a decent front 4 or 5 (depending on Elie Youan's headspace after what must have been an unsettling period for him) but a frontline of Hoilett, Boyle, Kukharevych, Bowie and Youan ought to give 10 of the 11 other teams in the league some serious problems.

We have a shaky backline and keeper, but hopefully a more robust midfield than has been the case of late, with Kwon & Triantis plus one of Newell, NMW, Campbell. With a talented frontline in front of them, the midfield's job should be to be solid & protect the shaky defence when the opposition have the ball, and to release the pacemen up front ASAP (no pi$$ing about in the wrong areas of the pitch) when they get the ball.

A couple of wins vs St Johnstone and Motherwell in the next 2 home games are essential but will really help to settle the nerves

Ian Gordon said today this isn’t being viewed as a transitional season and SDG is aware of that. Sure he’ll still be expected to get us challenging for at least 5th given the budget we have.

[CapitalGreen]

Ian Gordon said today this isn’t being viewed as a transitional season and SDG is aware of that. Sure he’ll still be expected to get us challenging for at least 5th given the budget we have.

I don’t think any season has been a transitional season, the only people you hear using that terms are fans. Every season our goal has been to finish as high as we can in the league and progress as far as possible in the cups. Unfortunately on a few occasions our attempts to meet this goal have failed badly however it has always been our goal.

[CMac1988]

Shorter update also on Hibs TV now (YouTube).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQYs4rPgL5Q

[Scotty Leither]

Ian Gordon said today this isn’t being viewed as a transitional season and SDG is aware of that. Sure he’ll still be expected to get us challenging for at least 5th given the budget we have.

He better tell Malky Mackay that then, because that’s exactly what Mackay hinted at in his first interview. Another “transitional” season beckons because of continued crap recruitment.

It should take Hibs precisely ONE window to sort that out, with the signing of a decent spine from GK through to CF. That hasn’t happened again, and that’s precisely the questions that aren’t being asked of this Board, who seem to be in really chatty, effusive mode all of a sudden, with all these interviews coming conveniently after the transfer window has closed.

[CapitalGreen]

He better tell Malky Mackay that then, because that’s exactly what Mackay hinted at in his first interview. Another “transitional” season beckons because of continued crap recruitment.

It should take Hibs precisely ONE window to sort that out, with the signing of a decent spine from GK through to CF. That hasn’t happened again, and that’s precisely the questions that aren’t being asked of this Board, who seem to be in really chatty, effusive mode all of a sudden, with all these interviews coming conveniently after the transfer window has closed.

Why is it convenient that the window is closed?

[blackpoolhibs]

That man is running our club. :faf:

[Heisenberg]

He better tell Malky Mackay that then, because that’s exactly what Mackay hinted at in his first interview. Another “transitional” season beckons because of continued crap recruitment.

It should take Hibs precisely ONE window to sort that out, with the signing of a decent spine from GK through to CF. That hasn’t happened again, and that’s precisely the questions that aren’t being asked of this Board, who seem to be in really chatty, effusive mode all of a sudden, with all these interviews coming conveniently after the transfer window has closed.

We signed an entire new spine to the team in the summer. Have you already decided they are all rubbish and won’t do the job?

[Scotty Leither]

Why is it convenient that the window is closed?

The timing is “convenient” because with the window being closed it’s all “next season” again.

We’ve appointed Marshall to the recruitment team and all he’s come up with is two guff goalies, yet “trust the process” is what we’re being fobbed with off by Gordon and Kensell.

I think they two should remove themselves completely from recruitment, to be honest.

[Scotty Leither]

We signed an entire new spine to the team in the summer. Have you already decided they are all rubbish and won’t do the job?

Eh, no we haven’t. We’ve got a goalie that looks like a rabbit in headlights every time the ball comes near him, and still haven’t signed a creative midfielder, so no new spine for me, sorry.

[JohnM1875]

Shorter update also on Hibs TV now (YouTube).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQYs4rPgL5Q


https://i.imgflip.com/78cbid.jpg

[Rumble de Thump]

That man is running our club. :faf:

Him and the 11 other directors.

[Heisenberg]

Eh, no we haven’t. We’ve got a goalie that looks like a rabbit in headlights every time the ball comes near him, and still haven’t signed a creative midfielder, so no new spine for me, sorry.

Eh aye, we have. Bursik, O’Hora, Marv, Kwon, Triantis, Bowie, Myk. That’s literally the spine of the team all signed this summer.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Him and the 11 other directors.

The non executive directors aren’t involved in the day to day running of the club.

[JohnM1875]

Eh aye, we have. Bursik, O’Hora, Marv, Kwon, Triantis, Bowie, Myk. That’s literally the spine of the team all signed this summer.

Four loans though. So same again needed next year, so its not really building a spine for the future.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Has the interview that Hibs put up been taken down? :confused:

Edit: never mind, found it.

[B.H.F.C]

Eh, no we haven’t. We’ve got a goalie that looks like a rabbit in headlights every time the ball comes near him, and still haven’t signed a creative midfielder, so no new spine for me, sorry.

We’ve signed two goalies, three centre halves, two central midfielders and two strikers.

Whether it works out, or not, they haven neglected the spine of the team. Signing players, even at cost, hasn’t really been the issue.

[Rumble de Thump]

The non executive directors aren’t involved in the day to day running of the club.

They're obviously members of the board that runs the club.

[Heisenberg]

Four loans though. So same again needed next year, so its not really building a spine for the future.

Don’t think we’ll really ever be able to operate without loans to be fair.

[JohnM1875]

Don’t think we’ll really ever be able to operate without loans to be fair.

Absolutely. Just don't agree with building the spine of your time with loan players. Always thought that.

[Scotty Leither]

We’ve signed two goalies, three centre halves, two central midfielders and two strikers.

Whether it works out, or not, they haven neglected the spine of the team. Signing players, even at cost, hasn’t really been the issue.

Who’s the creative midfielder that the play centres around in that”spine”, and who’s the imposing GK that we need out of a loan signing (Bursik) and Smith, who’s played about 5 games in 3 years?

[Paulie Walnuts]

They're obviously members of the board that runs the club.

They’re board members but they’re not involved in the day to day running of the club.

[Rumble de Thump]

They’re board members but they’re not involved in the day to day running of the club.

I'm not sure what point, if any, you're trying to make. They're on the board. The club is run by the board.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I'm not sure what point, if any, you're trying to make. They're on the board. The club is run by the board.

My point is that the non executive directors don’t run the club as you suggested. Theres not 12 directors running the club as you said there was.

[The Tubs]

Who’s the creative midfielder that the play centres around in that”spine”, and who’s the imposing GK that we need out of a loan signing (Bursik) and Smith, who’s played about 5 games in 3 years?

The jury's out over the goalies but I'd say we don't need a Marcondes-like midfielder. We didn't under Mowbray, for example. We could probably do with better cover for the three that played last week, however.

[B.H.F.C]

Who’s the creative midfielder that the play centres around in that”spine”, and who’s the imposing GK that we need out of a loan signing (Bursik) and Smith, who’s played about 5 games in 3 years?

That’s you disagreeing with the type of player we’ve brought in rather than them not addressing something though.

Some of the players may turn out to be pish but it’s wrong to say they’ve neglected the spine of the team IMO. Whether the way they’ve chose to go with it works, time will tell. I think it’s fairly obvious that Gray isn’t that interested in setting up with what you’d see as a traditional number 10 type midfielder.

[GreenPJ]

Four loans though. So same again needed next year, so its not really building a spine for the future.

Kwon won't ever be a first team player for Celtic so I suspect there will be an opportunity to buy him it will come down to price.

Triantis will be an interesting one, if he performs well up until Christmas I would be asking Sunderland about making the deal permanent although suspect that there may be a few teams might be interested.

The other two, based on performances to date I wouldn't be bothered about keeping but don't think we should just assume all 4 would look to go at end of the loan.

[Groathillgrump]

Bogdan wasn't terrible or anything like that, but to say he was a 'cracking keeper for us' is simply not true.

He was average.

If you thought Bogdan was average I hate to think what your opinion of Bursik is.

[JimBHibees]

Eh, no we haven’t. We’ve got a goalie that looks like a rabbit in headlights every time the ball comes near him, and still haven’t signed a creative midfielder, so no new spine for me, sorry.

Thought he had a decent game v Killie

[Hibiza]

All told thou , Gordon & Kensell have left us in a total mess .

[Cabbage-Patch]

The comments around Vente were interesting. I took it as they had high hopes for him but hasn't worked and they have stuck him out on loan with the hope he does well so they can sell in the summer for a profit.

[The Captain....]

Feel even more uneasy than I did before about our future tbh.

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[Cabbage-Patch]

Seems like a nice guy and all that but massively out his depth. The role MacKay plays seems absolutely massive which I'm not too comfortable about. I'm worried about the finances and it's clear from the interview we absolutely need to start getting on the field success or that will continue to suffer.

Be interesting to know who was looking to take over the club around the time the BK deal was being discussed.

[tonyrougier123]

Handled that well Ian Gordon I thought,tough interview some hard questions and grim reviewing of events that haven’t worked out.
There’s definitely a quiet reserved lion (not the same lion that chased will fish for the record)in there who wants to make hibs successful. We didn’t hear from Sir Tom in interviews as candid as that so credit has to go to him folks for fronting up and laying things bare.
He’s only 34 and he’s been thrust into this position a lot sooner than would’ve been planned for,tough time to own anything never mind a football club and the volatility that brings.
I think we are building towards something good on the park, just a gut feeling I can’t pin down.
I’d like to say also it’s a credit to him that’s he’s been open frank and honest about mistakes,that in itself is testament to the quality of people who own our club.
It’s also commendable the Gordon’s have listened at every juncture and made key decisions and explained them thoroughly. Not all owners would give the fans that time of day.
I feel we’ve took the right root with Malky and Dave’s set up for now and it will need time to breathe, doesn’t mean I won’t moan on the next match day thread though 😉.
Interesting that we’ve hired new analysts and scouts that’s a huge positive for me hopefully we get a few gems over next couple seasons from that as well.

[JimBHibees]

The comments around Vente were interesting. I took it as they had high hopes for him but hasn't worked and they have stuck him out on loan with the hope he does well so they can sell in the summer for a profit.

Exactly what he said.

[JimBHibees]

Handled that well Ian Gordon I thought,tough interview some hard questions and grim reviewing of events that haven’t worked out.
There’s definitely a quiet reserved lion (not the same lion that chased will fish for the record)in there who wants to make hibs successful. We didn’t hear from Sir Tom in interviews as candid as that so credit has to go to him folks for fronting up and laying things bare.
He’s only 34 and he’s been thrust into this position a lot sooner than would’ve been planned for,tough time to own anything never mind a football club and the volatility that brings.
I think we are building towards something good on the park, just a gut feeling I can’t pin down.
I’d like to say also it’s a credit to him that’s he’s been open frank and honest about mistakes,that in itself is testament to the quality of people who own our club.
It’s also commendable the Gordon’s have listened at every juncture and made key decisions and explained them thoroughly. Not all owners would give the fans that time of day.
I feel we’ve took the right root with Malky and Dave’s set up for now and it will need time to breathe, doesn’t mean I won’t moan on the next match day thread though 😉.
Interesting that we’ve hired new analysts and scouts that’s a huge positive for me hopefully we get a few gems over next couple seasons from that as well.

Good post agree with that. He is incredibly young to e in the position he is. A bit of context required imo

[Unseen work]

Handled that well Ian Gordon I thought,tough interview some hard questions and grim reviewing of events that haven’t worked out.
There’s definitely a quiet reserved lion (not the same lion that chased will fish for the record)in there who wants to make hibs successful. We didn’t hear from Sir Tom in interviews as candid as that so credit has to go to him folks for fronting up and laying things bare.
He’s only 34 and he’s been thrust into this position a lot sooner than would’ve been planned for,tough time to own anything never mind a football club and the volatility that brings.
I think we are building towards something good on the park, just a gut feeling I can’t pin down.
I’d like to say also it’s a credit to him that’s he’s been open frank and honest about mistakes,that in itself is testament to the quality of people who own our club.
It’s also commendable the Gordon’s have listened at every juncture and made key decisions and explained them thoroughly. Not all owners would give the fans that time of day.
I feel we’ve took the right root with Malky and Dave’s set up for now and it will need time to breathe, doesn’t mean I won’t moan on the next match day thread though 😉.
Interesting that we’ve hired new analysts and scouts that’s a huge positive for me hopefully we get a few gems over next couple seasons from that as well.

Well said

[Tambo]

Nice to see him admit mistakes he/we made the past few years and hopefully he just sits back and lets people do their jobs.

Got some much needed bodies, understandable still questions regarding recruitment, if we can cut out the silly mistakes we should be fine.

A good time with most of the players over the international break for SDG and his team, if we took 6 from 6 from the last two games we would say improvement has been made and going into Saturdays with excitement, the players need to step up also.

[Baldy Foghorn]

Think he said he's learned from mistakes 4 or 5 times. For me I'm concerned around financials, not as rosy a picture as Mr Kensell painted pre additional funding.

Truth is the proof is in where we finish this season, and another huge summer of rebuilds ahead, with so many out of contract players.

[NC1875]

Just listened and not sure what to think to be honest.

Sacking Jack Ross - mistake
Appointing Maloney - mistake
Appointing Johnson - mistake
Appointing Montgomery - mistake
Him being head of recruitment - mistake
Player recruitment - mistake
Lack of communication with HSL - mistake

Yet after all those mistakes, we bring in new investment to help us. And then we don’t listen to them and make even more massive decisions on our own.

It seems Ian Gordon thinks Malky Mackay is some sort of magician.

I don’t doubt he wants us to be successful, I’m just not sure we will be.

[Mcbizz1998]

I appreciate his honesty but I can't say any of that fills me with confidence. It is all on Malky to start getting things right.

[1875M]

Just sat and watched it. Doesn’t fill me with any confidence or inspiration whatsoever. Seems a decent guy but I just don’t think he’s very good at his job. Would not get a job at any other top flight side identifying players or involved in the recruitment. Completely under qualified, hence why we have a squad filled with average players on over inflated wages.

[BoomtownHibees]

Is there anywhere you can watch the whole interview in one go rather than the snippets using the link in the Op?

I know there is a podcast but anywhere with the video?

[Jones28]

I appreciate his honesty but I can't say any of that fills me with confidence. It is all on Malky to start getting things right.

In fairness, it’s on the pitch that we need to get things right. All the mistakes the club have made have been on the pitch.

[SickBoy32]

In fairness, it’s on the pitch that we need to get things right. All the mistakes the club have made have been on the pitch.

They’ve made plenty mistakes off the pitch too, if we’re being honest.

Shambles all round

[erin go bragh]

Bogdan wasn't terrible or anything like that, but to say he was a 'cracking keeper for us' is simply not true.

He was average.

He had a dodgy start but when Bogdan replaced the injured Rocky, he was brilliant for us and had a real presence about him in goals.

[The Modfather]

We signed an entire new spine to the team in the summer. Have you already decided they are all rubbish and won’t do the job?

To be fair, we’ve put sticking plasters on the spine of the team, regardless of the quality or lack of. Bursic, Triantis, Kwon, Big Myk. 4 of the spine of the team are on loan. A new spine will need signed next summer however this season goes.

[blackpoolhibs]

Just listened and not sure what to think to be honest.

Sacking Jack Ross - mistake
Appointing Maloney - mistake
Appointing Johnson - mistake
Appointing Montgomery - mistake
Him being head of recruitment - mistake
Player recruitment - mistake
Lack of communication with HSL - mistake

Yet after all those mistakes, we bring in new investment to help us. And then we don’t listen to them and make even more massive decisions on our own.

It seems Ian Gordon thinks Malky Mackay is some sort of magician.

I don’t doubt he wants us to be successful, I’m just not sure we will be.

The trouble with all these manager appointments, is we dont really know if any were mistakes, as none were given the support a normal owner would give.

[sauzee1989]

Just listened and not sure what to think to be honest.

Sacking Jack Ross - mistake
Appointing Maloney - mistake
Appointing Johnson - mistake
Appointing Montgomery - mistake
Him being head of recruitment - mistake
Player recruitment - mistake
Lack of communication with HSL - mistake

Yet after all those mistakes, we bring in new investment to help us. And then we don’t listen to them and make even more massive decisions on our own.

It seems Ian Gordon thinks Malky Mackay is some sort of magician.

I don’t doubt he wants us to be successful, I’m just not sure we will be.

And still got the inept boy with the specs that didn’t check that Rocky wasn’t eligible for that game.

[hibeerealist]

Completely agree, it all started with fans being desperate for Jack Ross to be sacked and a more exciting managerial appointment to be made who would play good football.

I’m hoping Malky will settle everyone down in the building and allow SDG and the players time.


Nope, JR was sacked as his football was dire AND he could not beat lowly St Johnstone at hampden TWICE.



We are well rid of JR, although the appointments since his dismissal have been poor.

[dp00]

And still got the inept boy with the specs that didn’t check that Rocky wasn’t eligible for that game.

Been no such issues since so I don’t think we can really hold that against him. Everyone makes a mistake


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[MWHIBBIES]

And still got the inept boy with the specs that didn’t check that Rocky wasn’t eligible for that game.

Think as we've seen dozens of issues with this across Scottish football, I'm quite hesitant to blame someone. There is obviously a problem with the system somewhere.

[andrew70]

Think as we've seen dozens of issues with this across Scottish football, I'm quite hesitant to blame someone. There is obviously a problem with the system somewhere.

To be fair the system was fine when White made the mistake. It’s only this summer that comet has come in and caused ructions.

[HFC93]

A positive from the interview is I'm reasurred that Ian/the Gordon family are well intentioned and do want the best for Hibs. Downside is he hasn't got a clue what he's doing and I'm not convinced that will change.

[Donegal Hibby]

Just listened and not sure what to think to be honest.

Sacking Jack Ross - mistake
Appointing Maloney - mistake
Appointing Johnson - mistake
Appointing Montgomery - mistake
Him being head of recruitment - mistake
Player recruitment - mistake
Lack of communication with HSL - mistake

Yet after all those mistakes, we bring in new investment to help us. And then we don’t listen to them and make even more massive decisions on our own.

It seems Ian Gordon thinks Malky Mackay is some sort of magician.

I don’t doubt he wants us to be successful, I’m just not sure we will be.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. I don’t think anyone would have known that an experience manager or a manager with one of the smallest budgets in his league that was successful was going to be a mistake.

As to the Jack Ross sacking , how many fans were wanting him to go?.

How do you know we didn’t listen to the new investors?.

I don’t think Ian Gordon thinks that Mackay is a magician , more somebody that has a wealth of knowledge and experience that will steady the ship .

We can only hope that we have learnt from past mistakes , certainly seems that we have made significant changes to the recruitment side of things which hopefully will be better.

[MWHIBBIES]

Nope, JR was sacked as his football was dire AND he could not beat lowly St Johnstone at hampden TWICE.



We are well rid of JR, although the appointments since his dismissal have been poor.

He was not sacked for either of those reasons.

[hibeerealist]

He was not sacked for either of those reasons.


Really. you know for certain why Ron fired JR?

Well correct me then

[MWHIBBIES]

Really. you know for certain why Ron fired JR?

Well correct me then

The bad run of form before his sacking and the fans reaction to it. Pretty common knowledge really.

Jack Ross had an very good season the year before. The football also wasn't bad at all. Many brilliant attacking performances. St Johnstone had the luckiest cup runs in Scottish football history that season. Way she goes.

[CapitalGreen]

The bad run of form before his sacking and the fans reaction to it. Pretty common knowledge really.

Jack Ross had an very good season the year before. The football also wasn't bad at all. Many brilliant attacking performances. St Johnstone had the luckiest cup runs in Scottish football history that season. Way she goes.



Do you think he’d have been given more time if he had won both cups the previous year?

[JimBHibees]

A positive from the interview is I'm reasurred that Ian/the Gordon family are well intentioned and do want the best for Hibs. Downside is he hasn't got a clue what he's doing and I'm not convinced that will change.

Do you know him?

[hibeerealist]

The bad run of form before his sacking and the fans reaction to it. Pretty common knowledge really.

Jack Ross had an very good season the year before. The football also wasn't bad at all. Many brilliant attacking performances. St Johnstone had the luckiest cup runs in Scottish football history that season. Way she goes.


So the "fans reaction" was nothing to do with the two hampden defeats from St Johnstone?

IF you believe they didn't and its common knowledge they didn't then you must live in a wee bubble!

[HFC93]

Do you know him?

Nah. Do you?

[Danderhall Hibs]

Do you think he’d have been given more time if he had won both cups the previous year?

He’d have been given more time if we had went out at the quarter finals.

[blackpoolhibs]

Nope, JR was sacked as his football was dire AND he could not beat lowly St Johnstone at hampden TWICE.



We are well rid of JR, although the appointments since his dismissal have been poor.
Ron Gordon had started his destruction of Hibs by the time Ross was sacked, he'd done pretty well before Ron and his family turned up.

[MWHIBBIES]

Do you think he’d have been given more time if he had won both cups the previous year?

I mean obviously.

Do you not think we'd have actually sacked him after the defeats if those were the reason?

[Since90+2]

I mean obviously.

Do you not think we'd have actually sacked him after the defeats if those were the reason?

No Hibs manager would be sacked for reaching two cup finals, that would be absurd.

What I think the poster is saying though is if he'd won both cups he'd have been given more time, which I think is a reasonable assumption to make as he'd have achieved more in the previous season than any Hibs manager in our history.

He'd have been viewed as a Messiah like figure by the fans and the board would have been far less likely to act as early as they did.

[MWHIBBIES]

No Hibs manager would be sacked for reaching two cup finals, that would be absurd.

What I think the poster is saying though is if he'd won both cups he'd have been given more time, which I think is a reasonable assumption to make as he'd have achieved more in the previous season than any Hibs manager in our history.

He'd have been viewed as a Messiah like figure by the fans and the board would have been far less likely to act as early as they did.

Of course. Every defeat contributes. Especially big ones.

He beat Huns 3-1 at Hampden and was binned a few weeks later, though. Our ownership at the time were completely and utterly clueless. They could've binned him even if we'd won the cup imo.

[theonlywayisup]

Ron Gordon had started his destruction of Hibs by the time Ross was sacked, he'd done pretty well before Ron and his family turned up.

Our failings can all be traced back to not recruiting well the summer after we came third. We desperately needed to recruit a centre back, a replacement for Doidge, when he got injured, plus backup in key positions.

We ended up buying James Scott and an unknown from Middlesbrough. When Macgennis got injured we lost midfield creativity.

That for me was the start of the Hibernian collapse. We should have built on the success of finishing 3rd, but didn't.

[JimBHibees]

Nah. Do you?

No just wondered how you had worked out he didn’t have a clue.

[JimBHibees]

Our failings can all be traced back to not recruiting well the summer after we came third. We desperately needed to recruit a centre back, a replacement for Doidge, when he got injured, plus backup in key positions.

We ended up buying James Scott and an unknown from Middlesbrough. When Macgennis got injured we lost midfield creativity.

That for me was the start of the Hibernian collapse. We should have built on the success of finishing 3rd, but didn't.

Think that is pretty fair not having a decent centre back and striker brought in also Magennis had looked very good starting the season. Was that the same window we didn’t get McGrath?

[.Sean.]

I’ve not been on here for a week so so a bit out of touch with what’s gone going on, seems very sudden considering how long Ian Gordon has been here we’ve suddenly got an hour long feature with Luke Shanley and an update on the clubs YouTube. What’s prompted this

[CapitalGreen]

I mean obviously.

Do you not think we'd have actually sacked him after the defeats if those were the reason?

I didn’t suggest they were the sole reason for his dismissal and I wasn’t the one who rubbished another poster suggesting they were a key factor.

[jakeshibs]

Can’t help but really feel for him and his family.

They’ve done what thousands have said before about how we need to shop in a different market, be a bit more creative etc

They tried to change pretty much everything. Recruitment, hiring a coach (Maloney) who was highly rated and they thought would play good football etc.

A bit of naivety and some poor decisions.

Really hope they get it right


I agree totally with your post

[Jones28]

They’ve made plenty mistakes off the pitch too, if we’re being honest.

Shambles all round

What like?

[CentreLine]

I’ve not been on here for a week so so a bit out of touch with what’s gone going on, seems very sudden considering how long Ian Gordon has been here we’ve suddenly got an hour long feature with Luke Shanley and an update on the clubs YouTube. What’s prompted this

Probably a few things?

IG and his family will have had a lot on their plate just coming to terms with RG’s passing; sorting out the implications for various business concerns must have been significant, including Hibs; acknowledging and hopefully addressing some of the dreadful mistakes made with the club; and realising the absolute need to address the unrest amongst the Hibs support. Maybe it he has just found the space and time to deal with the last item?

[CentreLine]

What like?

I suppose there have been successes and failures off the pitch.
The successes might be seen in restructuring and “professionalising” each of the departments and areas of responsibility. That has led to, much needed, huge increases in turnover within the business. I’d say the overall picture within the match day experience (excluding the important one on the park) is much brighter.


Obvious failures have been the recruitment team and structure; failure to invest and build on the third spot and European ambitions; failure to carry through the planned improvements at HTC and the crazy number of managers and coaches we have gone through.

Neither list is exhaustive but they are the things that jump out without too much effort.

[SickBoy32]

What like?

Off the top of my head:

Signed a player by mistake (Bushiri).
Forfeited a competitive match due to fielding an illegible player.
Sponsorships with a couple of, at best, questionable partners.
Downgrading the club store.
Out of control club finances resulting in record losses.

Combine the above, with a downturn in our (already dreadful derby record) since they arrived, dwindling support inside ER, and an awful squad - then I think it’s safe to say the Gordon’s / Kensell have made one almighty mess of our club.

Remember we were in a period of relative strength when they arrived. They dismantled that pretty quick!

At a minimum we need Kensell emptied, ideally the whole lot.

[HFC93]

No just wondered how you had worked out he didn’t have a clue.

An assessment based on his time at the club. Do you need to meet someone to ascertain that they haven’t got a clue?

[flash]

Off the top of my head:

Signed a player by mistake (Bushiri).
Forfeited a competitive match due to fielding an illegible player.
Sponsorships with a couple of, at best, questionable partners.
Downgrading the club store.
Out of control club finances resulting in record losses.

Combine the above, with a downturn in our (already dreadful derby record) since they arrived, dwindling support inside ER, and an awful squad - then I think it’s safe to say the Gordon’s / Kensell have made one almighty mess of our club.

Remember we were in a period of relative strength when they arrived. They dismantled that pretty quick!

At a minimum we need Kensell emptied, ideally the whole lot.

Out of interest how do you "empty" a majority shareholder? Is there somebody out there who will be happy and able to buy their shareholding and still be in a position to run the business successfully?

[Donegal Hibby]

No just wondered how you had worked out he didn’t have a clue.

I would think the opposite to that in he’s admitted mistakes have been made and we have restructured the recruitment side of things with new scouts , Mackays appointment etc … to me it’s obvious that he realises things weren’t working the way they were and has changed things which will hopefully be for the better .

[Unseen work]

I don’t envy the he position of these people in high ranking positions in football clubs.

Seems nearly impossible to get it right.

Same with owners, chuck millions into a club and you’ll rarely see any benefit from it or return on your money.

[matty_f]

Out of interest how do you "empty" a majority shareholder? Is there somebody out there who will be happy and able to buy their shareholding and still be in a position to run the business successfully?

We know there are - Ian spoke about offers to buy the club. The final part about running it successfully is a bit more subjective but in terms of buyers, I don’t think that’s an issue.

[J-C]

Our failings can all be traced back to not recruiting well the summer after we came third. We desperately needed to recruit a centre back, a replacement for Doidge, when he got injured, plus backup in key positions.

We ended up buying James Scott and an unknown from Middlesbrough. When Macgennis got injured we lost midfield creativity.

That for me was the start of the Hibernian collapse. We should have built on the success of finishing 3rd, but didn't.

Ross fell out with Mathie, who then left later, Ross also brought in an injury recovering Magennis, who turned out to be a dud. The poor recruitment was all on Ross and Mathie and soon after Ross fell out with Ron, hence his sacking.

Lots of mistakes and errors all round at that time, start of the downfall.

[CropleyWasGod]

We know there are - Ian spoke about offers to buy the club. The final part about running it successfully is a bit more subjective but in terms of buyers, I don’t think that’s an issue.

Part of the issue for a potential new owner of the family's shares is that they only have around 60% of the club. It would therefore need to be either someone who would be happy to work with the current structure, or who could buy out the BK's share as well.

[flash]

We know there are - Ian spoke about offers to buy the club. The final part about running it successfully is a bit more subjective but in terms of buyers, I don’t think that’s an issue.

Aye offers but who from and were they fair or reasonable? This is purely rhetorical of course as none of us know.

[Just_Jimmy]

Ross fell out with Mathie, who then left later, Ross also brought in an injury recovering Magennis, who turned out to be a dud. The poor recruitment was all on Ross and Mathie and soon after Ross dell out with Ron, hence his sacking.

Lots of mistakes and errors all round at that time, start of the downfall.I know who's opinions on football hold more weight for me between Jack Ross and Ron/Ian Gordon.

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[Jones28]

Off the top of my head:

Signed a player by mistake (Bushiri).
Forfeited a competitive match due to fielding an illegible player.
Sponsorships with a couple of, at best, questionable partners.
Downgrading the club store.
Out of control club finances resulting in record losses.

Combine the above, with a downturn in our (already dreadful derby record) since they arrived, dwindling support inside ER, and an awful squad - then I think it’s safe to say the Gordon’s / Kensell have made one almighty mess of our club.

Remember we were in a period of relative strength when they arrived. They dismantled that pretty quick!

At a minimum we need Kensell emptied, ideally the whole lot.

Out of those 5 points you raise I would suggest the only one of any lasting concern is the financial point - which is something IG has said they are comfortable with at this point in time. Downgrading the club store? What does that mean?

We were in a period of relative strength, yes, but we had seen a real collapse and failure by the previous incumbents at the club to build on the success of the Scottish cup win. The mess of a squad Lennon left behind him was mental, the neglect of the corporate and hospitality areas of the club by Dempster was a mess - literally a mess in the case of the Famous Five.

We have had CEO's who have strengths and weaknesses like everyone else.

Ian Gordon has come out and said Malky has a big role to play which I'm comfortable with. It has taken time but I think IG has maybe finally found his feet after his dad died. Rons passing is something I think is continuously overlooked, the learning curve Ian has been on has been steep and difficult for him and for that I think he deserves a bit of sympathy and time to learn.

Kensall, well I'd lose no sleep if he left tomorrow. I think his salary is ridiculous and I don't like his coziness with Block 7 or whatever the **** they're called now.

We've had a poor derby record for my whole life, meh.

Dwindling support, again thats been something that has been up and down.

An awful squad, this has been done to death but looks like the old recruitment strategy is done with and we're on to MM heading it up. it will take some time to clear out and start over.

[Rumble de Thump]

Off the top of my head:

Signed a player by mistake (Bushiri).
Forfeited a competitive match due to fielding an illegible player.
Sponsorships with a couple of, at best, questionable partners.
Downgrading the club store.
Out of control club finances resulting in record losses.

Combine the above, with a downturn in our (already dreadful derby record) since they arrived, dwindling support inside ER, and an awful squad - then I think it’s safe to say the Gordon’s / Kensell have made one almighty mess of our club.

Remember we were in a period of relative strength when they arrived. They dismantled that pretty quick!

At a minimum we need Kensell emptied, ideally the whole lot.

It's with baring in mind that the idea we signed Bushiri by mistake is complete fantasy regurgitated ad nauseum by some people.

[superfurryhibby]

Aye offers but who from and were they fair or reasonable? This is purely rhetorical of course as none of us know.

Is this not a pointless question, given that you say yourself no one knows.

There were/are other people interested in buying Hibs. That is straight from the mouth of our owners and that is a point in itself, regardless of the who or what.

The capability of prospective owners is a moot point, but the Gordon's have hardly set a high bar for that.

One thing for sure is that Gordon's will sell up, sooner or later. Another dire season will probably force their hand on that one. There's no coming back credibility wise if we fail again.

[GreenCastle]

Rocky was on a list of players leaving then not long after signed a 3 year deal ??

Not seen that at a club before.

[flash]

Is this not a pointless question, given that you say yourself no one knows.

There were/are other people interested in buying Hibs. That is straight from the mouth of our owners and that is a point in itself, regardless of the who or what.

The capability of prospective owners is a moot point, but the Gordon's have hardly set a high bar for that.

One thing for sure is that Gordon's will sell up, sooner or later. Another dire season will probably force their hand on that one. There's no coming back credibility wise if we fail again.

Of course it isn't pointless

We have evidence from all over the world that there are far worse owners than ours out there.

[Jones28]

It's with baring in mind that the idea we signed Bushiri by mistake is complete fantasy regurgitated ad nauseum by some people.

Well exactly, he played a certain number of games and a clause was met. It wasn't a mistake, he didn't arrive by surprise.

[Donegal Hibby]

Is this not a pointless question, given that you say yourself no one knows.

There were/are other people interested in buying Hibs. That is straight from the mouth of our owners and that is a point in itself, regardless of the who or what.

The capability of prospective owners is a moot point, but the Gordon's have hardly set a high bar for that.

One thing for sure is that Gordon's will sell up, sooner or later. Another dire season will probably force their hand on that one. There's no coming back credibility wise if we fail again.

The prospect of potential new owners would be another gamble , we might get better though we could get bought over by some group were we are in a group of clubs they own were we are no longer the main priority or we could get another mad vlad that would eventually run the club into the ground.

I don’t think we are going to have a sensationally good season were we are all jumping for joy though hopefully we can have a decent season were we see progress being made that gives us hope for the future .

Personally I hope the Gordon’s get it right and are with our club for the long haul . It always worries me when there’s talk of a change of owners when i think back to how close things came for Hibs under Duff and Gray if it hadn’t been for Sir Tom Farmers interventions.


The grass isn’t always greener on the other side sometimes.

[superfurryhibby]

Of course it isn't pointless

We have evidence from all over the world that there are far worse owners than ours out there.

I'm also sure there are many, many more that are competent enough to run a football club.

Hibs were a gift to anyone with a bit of know how. The club was hugely undersold. Changes were needed, anyone could see that and I'm sure it wasn't rocket science to find ways of increasing revenue.

Our current owners have repeatedly failed to deliver what matters most. The sooner they are gone, the better and based on events unfolding I think it's not that far off.

Of course I would like the Gordon's to succeed at Hibs. To make us credible and deliver a good level of football that is commensurate with our revenue and maybe even have us punching our weight and more. I don't care too much about who owns us, is what they do that matters.

[Dmas]

Is this not a pointless question, given that you say yourself no one knows.

There were/are other people interested in buying Hibs. That is straight from the mouth of our owners and that is a point in itself, regardless of the who or what.

The capability of prospective owners is a moot point, but the Gordon's have hardly set a high bar for that.

One thing for sure is that Gordon's will sell up, sooner or later. Another dire season will probably force their hand on that one. There's no coming back credibility wise if we fail again.

Why is failing limited with the Gordon’s but we were ok to go along 20years under farmer and petrie?

We could fail this year and win a cup next year for all you know still no coming back?

[superfurryhibby]

Why is failing limited with the Gordon’s but we were ok to go along 20years under farmer and petrie?

We could fail this year and win a cup next year for all you know still no coming back?

Close to 30 years under Farmer. This may surprise you, but there were plenty of fans who expressed discontent during STF's ownership too.

We were never promised much by the Farmer regime, other than stability and safety from predation. We got two relegations, three cup wins, some great teams and, mostly, mid table football.

The Gordon's themselves heightened expectations, which clearly they haven't delivered on. They might still, but I feel the burden of debt and an out of control football ****show suggests they won't turn it around.

Five years of ownership, not five months. This season is not looking great and the stakes are high in terms of the Gordon's and any remaining credibility.

[flash]

I'm also sure there are many, many more that are competent enough to run a football club.

Hibs were a gift to anyone with a bit of know how. The club was hugely undersold. Changes were needed, anyone could see that and I'm sure it wasn't rocket science to find ways of increasing revenue.

Our current owners have repeatedly failed to deliver what matters most. The sooner they are gone, the better and based on events unfolding I think it's not that far off.

Of course I would like the Gordon's to succeed at Hibs. To make us credible and deliver a good level of football that is commensurate with our revenue and maybe even have us punching our weight and more. I don't care too much about who owns us, is what they do that matters.

So they get no praise whatsoever for massively increasing turnover as "it wasn't rocket science" yet they get run out of town because the team is just as poor as it has been in the vast majority of periods in living memory.

They restructure, admittedly not as quickly as they should have, to give us more like the set up we wanted yet don't get the time to see if that makes a positive difference?

Seems a bit harsh to me.

[MWHIBBIES]

I don’t envy the he position of these people in high ranking positions in football clubs.

Seems nearly impossible to get it right.

Same with owners, chuck millions into a club and you’ll rarely see any benefit from it or return on your money.

You don't envy Ian Gordon? I do. Could sell Hibs, retire to a nice island and never have to even wipe his own ass again.

[flash]

You don't envy Ian Gordon? I do. Could sell Hibs, retire to a nice island and never have to even wipe his own ass again.

Arse.

[Dmas]

Close to 30 years under Farmer. This may surprise you, but there were plenty of fans who expressed discontent during STF's ownership too.

We were never promised much by the Farmer regime, other than stability and safety from predation. We got two relegations, three cup wins, some great teams and, mostly, mid table football.

The Gordon's themselves heightened expectations, which clearly they haven't delivered on. They might still, but I feel the burden of debt and an out of control football ****show suggests they won't turn it around.

Five years of ownership, not five months. This season is not looking great and the stakes are high in terms of the Gordon's and any remaining credibility.

We’re 4 games in for goodness sake, not looking good we’ve barely started, 5 years we’ve been in cup final and semi’s, 3rd place finish and our best run in Europe in 50year, it’s certainly been rubbish the last few years but there’s people just unwilling to give any good will whatsoever, how the Gordon’s can be accused of saddling us with debt a few months after writing off £6m is incredible, plus IG only said yesterday his family where committed to any over spend.

We have gone backwards, we have been pretty poor upto now over a lot of areas god knows why this year will be the straw that breaks the camels back we’ve been making the changes everyone’s been screaming for, snr figure at the club with Scot’s football experience, MM comes in, manager that knows the league SDG is in, players that have played in and know the league 8/11 new players with that experience, get rid of the dross 17 players gone another 13 out of contract end of this season.

Not everything can be right now, we’ve been a mess they have been major contributors in that mess by his own admission he’s making changes to combat that and stumping up the cash required give it a chance before shooting down after 4 league games

[Pagan Hibernia]

I'm also sure there are many, many more that are competent enough to run a football club.

Hibs were a gift to anyone with a bit of know how. The club was hugely undersold. Changes were needed, anyone could see that and I'm sure it wasn't rocket science to find ways of increasing revenue.

Our current owners have repeatedly failed to deliver what matters most. The sooner they are gone, the better and based on events unfolding I think it's not that far off.

Of course I would like the Gordon's to succeed at Hibs. To make us credible and deliver a good level of football that is commensurate with our revenue and maybe even have us punching our weight and more. I don't care too much about who owns us, is what they do that matters.

I agree with almost everything you've said in your last couple of posts apart from the part highlighted. With a 60% shareholding they will be the ones to decide when they move on and I don't see anything to suggest that will be any time soon. Quite the opposite in fact.

[superfurryhibby]

So they get no praise whatsoever for massively increasing turnover as "it wasn't rocket science" yet they get run out of town because the team is just as poor as it has been in the vast majority of periods in living memory.

They restructure, admittedly not as quickly as they should have, to give us more like the set up we wanted yet don't get the time to see if that makes a positive difference?

Seems a bit harsh to me.

They get no credit for making a complete mess of the football side of things, instead of building on a third place finish under a manager who was more competent than any of the four appointed thereafter. For me credit for commercial revenues and corporate facilities is outweighed by the failings, sorry.

They own the club, they will leave when they have had enough. I think that will be sooner rather than later, particularly if the football remains mediocre and based on the summer signings, I'm not particularly optimistic that will improve.

As for the vast majority of Hibs being poor and living memory. Sorry, but I have hopes and aspirations for Hibs to be better. So do many fans. If we didn't then why even bother at all?

[Centre Hawf]

Rocky was on a list of players leaving then not long after signed a 3 year deal ??

Not seen that at a club before.

You say that as if these things don't have loads of moving parts to them. For all we know we could have announced him leaving (from his loan initially) because we were waiting on a number of things before it could be confirmed his move was in fact now permanent.

The idea it was entirely a mistake or accidental signing is a total myth, and those who chose to believe it or regurgitate it clearly want nothing more than a funny line to batter the club with. I expect that from the Yams, not our own supporters.

[Donegal Hibby]

You don't envy Ian Gordon? I do. Could sell Hibs, retire to a nice island and never have to even wipe his own ass again.

I don’t either tbh , it must be incredibly tough for him having to take control of something that’s relatively new to him due to the sad events which happened.

Whatever wealth Ian Gordon has I’m sure it was the furthest thing on his mind these last 18 months or so and doing the interview admitting mistakes were made while talking about Ron I thought was testament to the guys character.

[Hibs3-2]

No Hibs manager would be sacked for reaching two cup finals, that would be absurd.

What I think the poster is saying though is if he'd won both cups he'd have been given more time, which I think is a reasonable assumption to make as he'd have achieved more in the previous season than any Hibs manager in our history.

He'd have been viewed as a Messiah like figure by the fans and the board would have been far less likely to act as early as they did.

There was an element of hibs fans who said Stubbs should be sacked if we failed to beat rangers in the 2016 final. That was despite us making both finals that year..

[Pagan Hibernia]

There was an element of hibs fans who said Stubbs should be sacked if we failed to beat rangers in the 2016 final. That was despite us making both finals that year..

there were even some fans who, in the painful aftermath of the falkirk play-off, said Stubbs should be sacked even if we beat Rangers the following week!

[J-C]

They get no credit for making a complete mess of the football side of things, instead of building on a third place finish under a manager who was more competent than any of the four appointed thereafter. For me credit for commercial revenues and corporate facilities is outweighed by the failings, sorry.

They own the club, they will leave when they have had enough. I think that will be sooner rather than later, particularly if the football remains mediocre and based on the summer signings, I'm not particularly optimistic that will improve.

As for the vast majority of Hibs being poor and living memory. Sorry, but I have hopes and aspirations for Hibs to be better. So do many fans. If we didn't then why even bother at all?

And tell me, what did that competent manager achieve afterwards?

We've been a bang average mid table club for nearly 50 years since the Tornadoes,the odd cup run and 2 relegations is what we are, series under achievers.

Yes the last 4-5 years has been pish and not what we were expecting when Ron took over but we can only hope lessons have learnt, continually knocking the club at every opportunity doesn't help.

[superfurryhibby]

And tell me, what did that competent manager achieve afterwards?

We've been a bang average mid table club for nearly 50 years since the Tornadoes,the odd cup run and 2 relegations is what we are, series under achievers.

Yes the last 4-5 years has been pish and not what we were expecting when Ron took over but we can only hope lessons have learnt, continually knocking the club at every opportunity doesn't help.

Three relegations since the Tornadoes?

I'm not and never have continually knocked the club. Merely stating my view.

Who knows what Ross might have done at Hibs, if he had been given the resources to have a decent crack at it? My guess is as good as yours. I suspect it would have been a whole lot better than what followed. As for afterwards, I don't really care what unfolded at Dundee Utd, totally irrelevant to what he did at Hibs.

Whilst we all hope lessons have been learned, I have little faith that's the case.

[Hibees1973]

The bad run of form before his sacking and the fans reaction to it. Pretty common knowledge really.

Jack Ross had an very good season the year before. The football also wasn't bad at all. Many brilliant attacking performances. St Johnstone had the luckiest cup runs in Scottish football history that season. Way she goes.

What people forget is that the Hibs squad was hit by covid at the start of the poor run under Ross. Games were cancelled then once the covid outbreak reduced the SPFL threw a whole chunk of games at Hibs during a short period of time.

So what do the Gordons do. Ignore the best % win record of a Hibs manager for decades then appoint a series of joke managers. No wonder Ron and Ian Gordon regretted the decision. Idiots. Anyone here willing to condone sacking Ross then support The Gordons going on a fantasy project of appointing clowns have their head in the sand.

[JimBHibees]

What people forget is that the Hibs squad was hit by covid at the start of the poor run under Ross. Games were cancelled then once the covid outbreak reduced the SPFL threw a whole chunk of games at Hibs during a short period of time.

So what do the Gordons do. Ignore the best % win record of a Hibs manager for decades then appoint a series of joke managers. No wonder Ron and Ian Gordon regretted the decision. Idiots. Anyone here willing to condone sacking Ross then support The Gordons going on a fantasy project of appointing clowns have their head in the sand.

Quite slot of Hibs fans wanted rid of Ross. Personally would have kept him on

[Brizo]

My main concern with Ian Gordon is that the children of highly successful parents in business, sport, etc., are rarely as successful as their parents because they haven't had to work as hard as them. After his tragic passing, I think there's been a certain amount of revisionism about Ron Gordon's short tenure but his lifetime of business acumen and experience was there for all to see. I get it that Ian Gordons learning on the job but the amount of mistakes made under his leadership would have most probationers or apprentices shown the door.

To his credit he was very forthright about owning up to mistakes but less forthright about his qualifications for being involved in the recruitment side of running a football club vaguely stating in the interview that he'd done "some courses" and he was equally vague about the ALF situation. I lost count of the number of times he namechecked "Malky" on the pod and it seemed to me that a huge amount of faith/trust is being invested in Mackay getting the football side of the business right. There has been a much more realistic approach to recruitment this season and there are signs , yet to be translated into wins, that we are on the right road.

I'm not convinced Ian Gordon is the man to lead us into a period of success or even relative success but I do respect his willingness and commitment to continue his fathers legacy. I hope it comes good with the Gordons as the alternatives are in all probability a new overseas owner or becoming part of a multi-club portfolio where our identity becomes even more diluted than some feel it already has.

[Centre Hawf]

What people forget is that the Hibs squad was hit by covid at the start of the poor run under Ross. Games were cancelled then once the covid outbreak reduced the SPFL threw a whole chunk of games at Hibs during a short period of time.

So what do the Gordons do. Ignore the best % win record of a Hibs manager for decades then appoint a series of joke managers. No wonder Ron and Ian Gordon regretted the decision. Idiots. Anyone here willing to condone sacking Ross then support The Gordons going on a fantasy project of appointing clowns have their head in the sand.

The decision was, in hindsight, a mistake. But let's not pretend that there was a considerable amount of fans that didn't want rid of him after that loss to Livingston. Not least those in the stand singing for his sacking.

The only real debate about his sacking was whether he deserved to get the cup final or not.

[Itsnoteasy]

The bad run of form before his sacking and the fans reaction to it. Pretty common knowledge really.

Jack Ross had an very good season the year before. The football also wasn't bad at all. Many brilliant attacking performances. St Johnstone had the luckiest cup runs in Scottish football history that season. Way she goes.

Lucky in 2 competitions in the same season.
We must have either been 💩 or unlucky in 1 competition for 114 years

[Pagan Hibernia]

The bad run of form before his sacking and the fans reaction to it. Pretty common knowledge really.

Jack Ross had an very good season the year before. The football also wasn't bad at all. Many brilliant attacking performances. St Johnstone had the luckiest cup runs in Scottish football history that season. Way she goes.

They were lucky-ish in the League Cup.

In the Scottish Cup they were drawn away to a Rangers team that won the league by a country mile that season, and of course faced a Hibs team in the final that comfortably finished 3rd.

[JimBHibees]

They were lucky-ish in the League Cup.

In the Scottish Cup they were drawn away to a Rangers team that won the league by a country mile that season, and of course faced a Hibs team in the final that comfortably finished 3rd.

Indeed nothing lucky about their draw in Scottish

[One Day Soon]

In my view BK and the Gordons have made an utter **** of everything except revenues and they've managed to negate the value of those by running up costs massively in other areas.

It's becoming clear now that one reason why we've spent next to **** all in the transfer market relative to the £10 million plus of capital brought in relatively recently is that our accounts are a cluster****. That leaves us chasing cheap options all round. I have zero faith that the people who made this huge mess due to their own incompetence and interference are now the people to clean it up.

The really irrefutable charge they cannot avoid is the failure to capitalise on dramatically increased resources in recent years, their own and that brought in by others. This should have been a transformational period but instead it has degraded the squad, the fan base and the finances.

They don't know what they are doing. It's not a ****ing toy train set and putting literal amateurs in charge of eg recruitment leads to just one outcome which we are currently living.

PS Happy 60th birthday to me

[Hibees1973]

The decision was, in hindsight, a mistake. But let's not pretend that there was a considerable amount of fans that didn't want rid of him after that loss to Livingston. Not least those in the stand singing for his sacking.

The only real debate about his sacking was whether he deserved to get the cup final or not.
Finishing 3rd the previous season, quite rightly, raised expectations for the folllowing season. Then for god sake back the guy. The squad available to Ross left him with an ageing McGregor to select for the tie away to Rijeka and he got sent off.

Maybe my opinion but I feel Ian Gordon, Kensell, et all, were not long in the door and wanted to get their sticky paws all over the club. Hence a whole load of staff were punted at the time. It's gone t*ts up since then.

I telll you. They are not to be trusted.

[Centre Hawf]

Finishing 3rd the previous season, quite rightly, raised expectations for the folllowing season. Then for god sake back the guy. The squad available to Ross left him with an ageing McGregor to select for the tie away to Rijeka and he got sent off.

Maybe my opinion but I feel Ian Gordon, Kensell, et all, were not long in the door and wanted to get their sticky paws all over the club. Hence a whole load of staff were punted at the time. It's gone t*ts up since then.

I telll you. They are not to be trusted.

Won't disagree with you on much there, but my point is that the sentiment was quite broad amongst fans that Jack Ross was probably right to go around the time that he did.

It wasn't until Maloney was gone and then throughout other the disastrous appointments that we've looked back on it as the mistake it's has somewhat proven to be. I wouldn't call it revisionism on some people's parts but it wasn't this out of nowhere decision that confused the entire support despite what some would like to make out it is.

[Joe6-2]

In my view BK and the Gordons have made an utter **** of everything except revenues and they've managed to negate the value of those by running up costs massively in other areas.

It's becoming clear now that one reason why we've spent next to **** all in the transfer market relative to the £10 million plus of capital brought in relatively recently is that our accounts are a cluster****. That leaves us chasing cheap options all round. I have zero faith that the people who made this huge mess due to their own incompetence and interference are now the people to clean it up.

The really irrefutable charge they cannot avoid is the failure to capitalise on dramatically increased resources in recent years, their own and that brought in by others. This should have been a transformational period but instead it has degraded the squad, the fan base and the finances.

They don't know what they are doing. It's not a ****ing toy train set and putting literal amateurs in charge of eg recruitment leads to just one outcome which we are currently living.

PS Happy 60th birthday to me

Happy birthday!

[Since90+2]

Finishing 3rd the previous season, quite rightly, raised expectations for the folllowing season. Then for god sake back the guy. The squad available to Ross left him with an ageing McGregor to select for the tie away to Rijeka and he got sent off.

Maybe my opinion but I feel Ian Gordon, Kensell, et all, were not long in the door and wanted to get their sticky paws all over the club. Hence a whole load of staff were punted at the time. It's gone t*ts up since then.

I telll you. They are not to be trusted.

Of course they wanted to get their hands involved in the club. They were the new owners and CEO 😅

[blackpoolhibs]

Finishing 3rd the previous season, quite rightly, raised expectations for the folllowing season. Then for god sake back the guy. The squad available to Ross left him with an ageing McGregor to select for the tie away to Rijeka and he got sent off.

Maybe my opinion but I feel Ian Gordon, Kensell, et all, were not long in the door and wanted to get their sticky paws all over the club. Hence a whole load of staff were punted at the time. It's gone t*ts up since then.

I telll you. They are not to be trusted.
:top marks

[HoboHarry]

In my view BK and the Gordons have made an utter **** of everything except revenues and they've managed to negate the value of those by running up costs massively in other areas.

It's becoming clear now that one reason why we've spent next to **** all in the transfer market relative to the £10 million plus of capital brought in relatively recently is that our accounts are a cluster****. That leaves us chasing cheap options all round. I have zero faith that the people who made this huge mess due to their own incompetence and interference are now the people to clean it up.

The really irrefutable charge they cannot avoid is the failure to capitalise on dramatically increased resources in recent years, their own and that brought in by others. This should have been a transformational period but instead it has degraded the squad, the fan base and the finances.

They don't know what they are doing. It's not a ****ing toy train set and putting literal amateurs in charge of eg recruitment leads to just one outcome which we are currently living.

PS Happy 60th birthday to me
Happy birthday mate. My 60th birthday is in the rear view mirror but as the saying goes, a man's only as old as the woman he feels :greengrin

[MWHIBBIES]

Finishing 3rd the previous season, quite rightly, raised expectations for the folllowing season. Then for god sake back the guy. The squad available to Ross left him with an ageing McGregor to select for the tie away to Rijeka and he got sent off.

Maybe my opinion but I feel Ian Gordon, Kensell, et all, were not long in the door and wanted to get their sticky paws all over the club. Hence a whole load of staff were punted at the time. It's gone t*ts up since then.

I telll you. They are not to be trusted.

Spot on.

[flash]

Finishing 3rd the previous season, quite rightly, raised expectations for the folllowing season. Then for god sake back the guy. The squad available to Ross left him with an ageing McGregor to select for the tie away to Rijeka and he got sent off.

Maybe my opinion but I feel Ian Gordon, Kensell, et all, were not long in the door and wanted to get their sticky paws all over the club. Hence a whole load of staff were punted at the time. It's gone t*ts up since then.

I telll you. They are not to be trusted.

Let yourself down at the end there.

[superfurryhibby]

Much as I haven't loved the football strategy and results under the Gordon's, one thing I am pretty sure about is that they aren't investing in chains of pubs in Wiltshire or laundering huge amounts of dodgy Russian cash.

That said, the club need to stop accumulating further losses, there will surely be no more external investment bail outs. The fear for me is that we end up a basket case, with unmanageable debt, regardless of the owners intentions.

[Hibees1973]

Let yourself down at the end there.

Your end probably lets you down all the time.

[Since452]

Covid, and the resulting fixture chaos hugely impacted Ross's bad run. I'm sure we had to play 7 games in just over 3 weeks with players out left right and centre. At one stage we only had 8 players available. There were calls for his head after the Livingston game but if Martin Boyle hadn't taken one of the worst penalties I've seen then things could have been different. Not backing Ross after we finished 3rd and eventually sacking him at a time of real upheaval in the world and on the park will forever stick in my craw.

[Donegal Hibby]

Spot on.

So you think Jack Ross’s sacking was wrong and we should have backed him ?

[MWHIBBIES]

So you think Jack Ross’s sacking was wrong and we should have backed him ?

Absolutely. Is this some kind of trap?

I was fuming after the Livi game and wanted rid. I was very wrong. The second we were linked with Maloney it was quite clear what a dreadful error our clueless owners had made.

[Billy Whizz]

Absolutely. Is this some kind of trap?

I was fuming after the Livi game and wanted rid. I was very wrong. The second we were linked with Maloney it was quite clear what a dreadful error our clueless owners had made.

And to be fair to Maloney, he was thrown under the bus by the signings he was given
Should never have got the job in the 1st place though

[Blaster]

Covid, and the resulting fixture chaos hugely impacted Ross's bad run. I'm sure we had to play 7 games in just over 3 weeks with players out left right and centre. At one stage we only had 8 players available. There were calls for his head after the Livingston game but if Martin Boyle hadn't taken one of the worst penalties I've seen then things could have been different. Not backing Ross after we finished 3rd and eventually sacking him at a time of real upheaval in the world and on the park will forever stick in my craw.

Mine too. And all because Mathie wanted to have the record transfer fee for Josh Doig. Held out for more and it backfired. There were 3 players waiting to be signed with the Doig money which had to be stopped.

[Centre Hawf]

Absolutely. Is this some kind of trap?

I was fuming after the Livi game and wanted rid. I was very wrong. The second we were linked with Maloney it was quite clear what a dreadful error our clueless owners had made.

You were wrong, much like the rest of us which includes the club, the only difference is we're all allowed to change our mind without being berated by 15k every second Saturday compared to them.

I think the Jack Ross conversation, while important to be reflected on in the past, is actually now at risk of becoming a bit of a bigger thing as each season passes on than it really ever should have been. He did a good job with us, but with every season we're removed from it the memory of how it ended begins to skew more and more. People would now have you believe that every problem we've ever had would have been avoided if Jack Ross wasn't sacked.

The reality of it was he would have probably been lucky to see out the rest of that season even if he was given more time. The football the season we finished third was actually quite turgid at times, but it was effective. The season after it was no longer so and the memory of bottling three of the best opportunities for a trophy in one singular season combined, with the slide in performances and results, was always going to lead to Jack Ross leaving the club one way or another within that season. Anyone who pretends otherwise is deluding themselves.

[MWHIBBIES]

You were wrong, much like the rest of us which includes the club, the only difference is we're all allowed to change our mind without being berated by 15k every second Saturday compared to them.

I think the Jack Ross conversation, while important to be reflected on in the past, is actually now at risk of becoming a bit of a bigger thing as each season passes on than it really ever should have been. He did a good job with us, but with every season we're removed from it the memory of how it ended begins to skew more and more. People would now have you believe that every problem we've ever had would have been avoided if Jack Ross wasn't sacked.

The reality of it was he would have probably been lucky to see out the rest of that season even if he was given more time. The football the season we finished third was actually quite turgid at times, but it was effective. The season after it was no longer so and the memory of bottling three of the best opportunities for a trophy in one singular season combined, with the slide in performances and results, was always going to lead to Jack Ross leaving the club one way or another within that season. Anyone who pretends otherwise is deluding themselves.

That isn't the only difference. I am an emotional fan. They are not emotional fans.

[Donegal Hibby]

Absolutely. Is this some kind of trap?

I was fuming after the Livi game and wanted rid. I was very wrong. The second we were linked with Maloney it was quite clear what a dreadful error our clueless owners had made.

I would guess a lot of our fans myself included got it wrong just as much as our owners which must make a lot of us clueless in all , no ? .

Back to cars again but I think appointing any manager is like buying a second hand car in you never know wither your getting a good one or not . Mowbray , Stubbs inexperienced managers who were a success , butcher experienced who got us relegated .

How many of us wanted him at the time ? .

It’s not always easy appointing a manager though very easy for fans to condemn folk running the club when it doesn’t work out especially when fans put on pressure for a change of manager..

I include myself in this but we should be careful for what we wish for at our football club at times , wither a new manager or owner . It doesn’t always mean things will generally get better either.

[Centre Hawf]

That isn't the only difference. I am an emotional fan. They are not emotional fans.

Do you not think they have an emotional stake in it when they've just spent however many millions acquiring the club?

[MWHIBBIES]

Do you not think they have an emotional stake in it when they've just spent however many millions acquiring the club?

I'd hope not. Owners should be making sensible decisions, taking all the facts into account. It's my job to make stupid emotional statements. And should've had a list of potential managers before sacking anyone. Instead we got a total rookie and his utter walloper assistant.

[Donegal Hibby]

I'd hope not. Owners should be making sensible decisions, taking all the facts into account. It's my job to make stupid emotional statements. And should've had a list of potential managers before sacking anyone. Instead we got a total rookie and his utter walloper assistant.

I would say the Gordon’s have a strong bond with Hibs now and doesn’t everyone have emotions and make mistakes? .

The total rookie you refer to was working with one of the best countries in world football who had some of the best footballers in the world and was highly thought of by Roberto Martinez …

It wasn’t the right move at that time though I can see to a degree why they tried it in hoping to discover another manager along the lines of Mowbray .

Again you are quite happy to criticise the Gordon’s for sacking JR even though it was what you and like many of us wanted at the time .

If you think picking a manager’s is easy who would you have appointed after Ross btw ?

[greenlex]

I'd hope not. Owners should be making sensible decisions, taking all the facts into account. It's my job to make stupid emotional statements. And should've had a list of potential managers before sacking anyone. Instead we got a total rookie and his utter walloper assistant.

And a fine job you’re doing.

[MWHIBBIES]

I would say the Gordon’s have a strong bond with Hibs now and doesn’t everyone have emotions and make mistakes? .

The total rookie you refer to was working with one of the best countries in world football who had some of the best footballers in the world and was highly thought of by Roberto Martinez …

It wasn’t the right move at that time though I can see to a degree why they tried it in hoping to discover another manager along the lines of Mowbray .

Again you are quite happy to criticise the Gordon’s for sacking JR even though it was what you and like many of us wanted at the time .

If you think picking a manager’s is easy who would you have appointed after Ross btw ?

McInnes.

[HoboHarry]

And a fine job you’re doing.
:tee hee: