Fringe players to be excluded from First Team training

[Bamba]

The link is annoyingly behind a paywall but the Evening News is reporting that players who refused to "move on" will be excluded from first team training.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-get-tough-with-non-playing-squad-fillers-as-training-warning-issued-4769958

[JohnM1875]

The link is annoyingly behind a paywall but the Evening News is reporting that players who refused to "move on" will be excluded from first team training.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-get-tough-with-non-playing-squad-fillers-as-training-warning-issued-4769958

Makes complete sense to me. If they've been told they’re surplus to requirements then what did they expect? Absolutely their right to sit around and collect the money, but they've been told they're not part of the first team plans going forward.

[superfurryhibby]

The link is annoyingly behind a paywall but the Evening News is reporting that players who refused to "move on" will be excluded from first team training.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-get-tough-with-non-playing-squad-fillers-as-training-warning-issued-4769958

You can read it by clicking on the I will register later bit.

It doesn't name any names, states the obvious that it's better for their careers to be playing and that there are a group of guys who aren't part of the managers plans. The article names the likes of Kennah, McKirdy, Amos, Delf, Tavares, but naturally Malky doesn't

[kentao]

Hibs get tough with non-playing squad fillers as training warning issued
Hibs fringe players who knocked back exit opportunities during the summer window may find themselves excluded from first-team training just to keep sessions manageable. And the unwanted outsiders have been warned that, by refusing to move on this year, they risk becoming forgotten men.

New sporting director Malky Mackay managed to usher a number of unsettled or under-used squad members out of the East Mains exit door before last Friday night’s transfer deadline. A number of familiar names were among the departures designed to create room on the wage bill and generate space for the ELEVEN new signings made by David Gray.

Riley Harbottle, who hasn’t featured under the past two managers since being handed a three-year deal by Lee Johnson just last summer, was off-loaded to AFC Wimbledon through a permanent transfer of undisclosed terms, the central defender signing a two-year contract with the League Two side. Allan Delferriere, another Johnson signing limited to almost zero game time under Nick Montgomery and then Gray, has joined Luxembourg side Racing Union Letzebuerg on a season-long loan.


Jair Tavares, squeezed out of competition for wingers by the arrival of Junior Hoilett, Nicky Cadden and Kieron Bowie, has gone on loan to Motherwell. And even Dylan Vente, just a year on from his £500,000-plus move from Roda, has been allowed to join PEC Zwolle on loan in a bid to rediscover his scoring touch.


But midfielder Nohan Kenneh, who has a year left on his contract, remains in situ. The same applies to winger/forward Harry McKirdy, who spent the second half of last season on loan at Swindon Town, as well as a number of other senior pros – including veteran former QPR midfielder Luke Amos – who may struggle for minutes under the management of new gaffer Gray.

Without naming names, Mackay made it clear that he’d have liked to clear out even more dead wood before the deadline, saying: “There has been an evolution of the squad. But there are players who probably won’t get much game time.


“You can talk to them about their future but, at the end of the day, it’s up to them to decide whether they want to leave. Do they want to take up an option if a club comes in, do a deal and go on loan or leave permanently?


“If they didn’t want to do that, there has been clarity from me – they won’t get much game time this year. And that will affect you in a year’s time.


“I talk to them about having a body of work. If you leave a club without having a recent body of work, I’ve seen it so many times now.

“Players come up, you know their name, you know they’ve played at a reasonable standard. But the first thing a club asks is: ‘What have you done in the last year?’





“And, if a player has zero football in that season, trust me, clubs shy away from that. I’ve tried to explain that to a few here.

“Some have listened to that. Some have decided to stay, and that’s fine.”
While no-one at Hibs denies a professional’s right to see out their contract rather than accept a move, possibly one involving a financial hit, to a less attractive environment, Mackay made it clear that the refuseniks are likely to find themselves out in the cold when Gray gathers his over-sized first-team squad for training, saying: “They have to realise that they might not always train with the first-team squad, just because of numbers. There will be training for them, obviously, because they’re contracted players, and you respect everyone. But they won’t get as many opportunities.

“I was very clear on that with a number of players this summer. Because we have to evolve.”

[Brightside]

The link is annoyingly behind a paywall but the Evening News is reporting that players who refused to "move on" will be excluded from first team training.

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-get-tough-with-non-playing-squad-fillers-as-training-warning-issued-4769958

Players had already been removed from the first team changing rooms a few weeks ago. Good luck if we have to start using any of them.

[lyonhibs]

Since when was Amos a "veteran"??

[CapitalGreen]

Has worked wonders for us in recent seasons. Good to take the pressure off our current starters to perform by reducing the threat on their places.

[Pretty Boy]

I feel a bit for Amos and Mckirdy who have never really had a proper run in the side. The latter in particular was thrown in at the deep end a few times in big games when we were up against it as well as obviously had some pretty serious issues to deal with. Obviously I don't see them every day in training though so there may be attitude problems or just being obviously well short of the required standard. It does make you wonder how we ended up signing them both if it has become clear they are well off it so quickly. Same goes for Harbottle (did he even play a competitive game?) albeit we have managed to offload him.

In general I have no issues with players who aren't going to feature being kept away from the main body though. You can't completely limit their ability to spread their disenchantment through the squad but limiting contact on site probably isn't a bad idea.

[Nicho87]

If Amos and levitt can’t get in to what was already a poor midfield when they arrived, they’re and we are in bother

Both plus more should be looking to move on.

[JohnM1875]

Could be a case of getting the article out there and maybe hoping it'll force a few players to agree to a reduced pay off. Means they'll get some money from us and become a free agent now and move on.

[K-Zazu]

I feel a bit for Amos and Mckirdy who have never really had a proper run in the side. The latter in particular was thrown in at the deep end a few times in big games when we were up against it as well as obviously had some pretty serious issues to deal with. Obviously I don't see them every day in training though so there may be attitude problems or just being obviously well short of the required standard. It does make you wonder how we ended up signing them both if it has become clear they are well off it so quickly. Same goes for Harbottle (did he even play a competitive game?) albeit we have managed to offload him.

In general I have no issues with players who aren't going to feature being kept away from the main body though. You can't completely limit their ability to spread their disenchantment through the squad but limiting contact on site probably isn't a bad idea.

I don’t feel sorry for them at all, they are getting paid a decent wedge. They are just not good enough to play for Hibs.

[nonshinyfinish]

Could be a case of getting the article out there and maybe hoping it'll force a few players to agree to a reduced pay off. Means they'll get some money from us and become a free agent now and move on.

If they're released now (outside the transfer window) then they can't register for another club until the January window opens

[JohnM1875]

If they're released now (outside the transfer window) then they can't register for another club until the January window opens

Even if they haven't played a game for us or any team this season? That's so stupid if that's the case.

[BSEJVT]

If they're released now (outside the transfer window) then they can't register for another club until the January window opens

Correct

I suspect that this is the start of the sickening them process which may help force them to leave then.

Sadly I doubt, given the ridiculous contracts some of them are on that it will have the desired effect.

I can see it for the older /injured guys, but for the likes of Kenneh it seems like career suicide, so it must be well worth it for him.

[Jack]

No mention of JDH?

Everyone seems to have forgotten about him. I even had to check the squad list to see if he was still here 😆

[BSEJVT]

Even if they haven't played a game for us or any team this season? That's so stupid if that's the case.

yes

[Hibernian Verse]

Has worked wonders for us in recent seasons. Good to take the pressure off our current starters to perform by reducing the threat on their places.

These guys are so far away from threatening the places it's embarrassing for the club to have signed them or given extended contracts in the first place.

[Not In The Know]

MM has basically said to them. "You aint gonna play and you aint gonna train with the first team, do you still want to stay on your massive salary to the detriment of your career?" and Kenneh and Mckirdy have said yes.

So F them!


It's not MM's fault they are here and on the wages they are being paid. At least thats us fixing things now.

[The Tubs]

MM has basically said to them. "You aint gonna play and you aint gonna train with the first team, do you still want to stay on your massive salary to the detriment of your career?" and Kenneh and Mckirdy have said yes.

So F them!


It's not MM's fault they are here and on the wages they are being paid. At least thats us fixing things now.

We're only fixing it if we don't sign loads more players that aren't going to make an impact. Let's pray we've not done that again. At least many are loans.

[Vault Boy]

Not a fan of airing this kind of stuff publicly, to be honest. It really isn’t hard to infer who he’s talking about. If you’re going to freeze players out of the squad, fine, the manager should make that decision, but I really don’t see the benefit in publicly shaming guys who have chosen to retain the contracts that Hibs committed to honouring.

It’s not that what he’s saying is untrue, I just don’t see why it needs to be said at all.

[JohnM1875]

Not a fan of airing this kind of stuff publicly, to be honest. It really isn’t hard to infer who he’s talking about. If you’re going to freeze players out of the squad, fine, the manager should make that decision, but I really don’t see the benefit in publicly shaming guys who have chosen to retain the contracts that Hibs committed to honouring.

It’s not that what he’s saying is untrue, I just don’t see why it needs to be said at all.

Get's it out in the public directly from the club and stops any rumours of it coming out down the line from fans etc.

[CapitalGreen]

Essentially doing to Hibs players that Maolida’s previous team did to him. Bomb squad until you agree to **** off.

[Billy Whizz]

Essentially doing to Hibs players that Maolida’s previous team did to him. Bomb squad until you agree to **** off.

I’m presuming McKirdy isn’t on this list, as he’s usually on the bench and played in the bounce game

[Brightside]

I feel a bit for Amos and Mckirdy who have never really had a proper run in the side. The latter in particular was thrown in at the deep end a few times in big games when we were up against it as well as obviously had some pretty serious issues to deal with. Obviously I don't see them every day in training though so there may be attitude problems or just being obviously well short of the required standard. It does make you wonder how we ended up signing them both if it has become clear they are well off it so quickly. Same goes for Harbottle (did he even play a competitive game?) albeit we have managed to offload him.

In general I have no issues with players who aren't going to feature being kept away from the main body though. You can't completely limit their ability to spread their disenchantment through the squad but limiting contact on site probably isn't a bad idea.

Both players are still in the squad. It's a terrible article.

[neil7908]

It's just incredible how many players we've signed in the last few years that have been miles away from the quality we need. Millions wasted.

[Donegal Hibby]

No issues with what the article says … some players didn’t want to move and been told they won’t be getting much game time at us which is probably accurate .

Don’t blame the club or the players , hopefully moved on next season anyhow.

[Betty Boop]

Big bad Malky comes across as a horror.

[GreenCastle]

The last thing Gray needs is guys moping about or causing drama or giving out negative energy to others.

Not saying this is happening but all it needs is one bad influence and the squad morale can be disrupted.

Now it’s not like we haven’t known for a long time the situation and it also shows how bad some of our signings have been.

Amos - featured in 8 games and not even sure if he’s played a full 90 mins ? Most he’s played is about 60 mins.

Mckirdy (had health issues) - 24 games in 2 years - another who has hardly played over 45 mins.

JDH ??

Kenneth - 15 games for Hibs (3 seasons ago)

Levitt has played more but still not as much output as expected - 28 games last season - 2 goals and 2 assists.

Last game McKirdy and Levitt were in the squad so assume this is aimed at Amos and Kenneth ?

[chrisski33]

I guess maybe some clubs maybe were interested in signing some of the refusenicks and the players indicated they wanted to stay maybe? If so fk the players.

[greenlex]

I hope this was done early in the window. I suppose a lot depended on incoming deals happening but agree with it and actually said it should have been done a few weeks ago.,

[Centre Hawf]

The article doesn't actually say who the players are that are going to be frozen out. But you can pretty quickly work out that someone like Kenneh/JDH are probably involved in that. Harry McKirdy has been in squads so far so I'd be surprised if he's one of them.

[Centre Hawf]

Both players are still in the squad. It's a terrible article.

The article mentions players who are out of contract and are finding minutes hard to come by, not the list of names who are bombed out of training. It's a perfectly fine article.

[cabbageandribs1875]

the "Refusenicks" i expect to see this used quite often up to the January window :greengrin

[Hibees1973]

These guys are so far away from threatening the places it's embarrassing for the club to have signed them or given extended contracts in the first place.

Would have been more pertinent had MacKay also mentioned that most of these players are here as a result of poor recruitment over many years and that a constant churning of managers has not helped their development/situation.

Of course though, we can't have the Golden Quadrant calling out each others incompetence.

[Unseen work]

The article reads more aggressive than quotes suggest.
Being excluded to make the sessions more manageable is essentially managing the training sessions.
Almost zero game time is still game time unless it's zero.
Refusenicks, Quote states no problem with people staying.
Deadwood and Offloaded players yet we signed 11, doesn't say any of the 11 were offloaded to Hibs.

Exactly this.

What Malky says, and how the article reads are very different imo.

[Bobby's Cinema]

I feel a bit for Amos and Mckirdy who have never really had a proper run in the side. The latter in particular was thrown in at the deep end a few times in big games when we were up against it as well as obviously had some pretty serious issues to deal with. Obviously I don't see them every day in training though so there may be attitude problems or just being obviously well short of the required standard. It does make you wonder how we ended up signing them both if it has become clear they are well off it so quickly. Same goes for Harbottle (did he even play a competitive game?) albeit we have managed to offload him.

In general I have no issues with players who aren't going to feature being kept away from the main body though. You can't completely limit their ability to spread their disenchantment through the squad but limiting contact on site probably isn't a bad idea.
I don't think it's great the way either has been used but they have had minutes on the pitch and never looked like grasping it.

For me Amos has a bit of a lazy style wants to be able to glide about the pitch stroking passes. If you play like that then you better be good or fans will soon lose patience. First half at Kelty a guy knicked the ball off him on his blind side and I watched him laughing.

McKirdy I still think looks like a guy that can't believe he's at a club this size. I'm not sure from his reactions to missing chances he understands what is means to play for Hibs. i always think he looks like a guy with no pressure on him to perform.

The bigger problem is how we've kept signing players that at not at the standard required. Our hit rate has been awful.

[CallumLaidlaw]

Big bad Malky comes across as a horror.

Why? For doing his job and putting the club first?


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[Glory Lurker]

Disappointed to see from Google that there is a band called The Refuseniks. I was going to take that moniker for my "Trust the Process" LP (out soon!).

[Since90+2]

Why? For doing his job and putting the club first?


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Exactly.

We've had people saying Hibs are a soft touch for years and now we've appointed a Sporting Director who is putting the needs of the club above individual players by the looks of it.

[flash]

Would have been more pertinent had MacKay also mentioned that most of these players are here as a result of poor recruitment over many years and that a constant churning of managers has not helped their development/situation.

Of course though, we can't have the Golden Quadrant calling out each others incompetence.

Why would he say that? Every club has players that, through a variety of reasons, find themselves outwith the first team squad.

Really struggle to see why you are on a Hibs forum when you so clearly hate everything about the club.

[Jones28]

Would have been more pertinent had MacKay also mentioned that most of these players are here as a result of poor recruitment over many years and that a constant churning of managers has not helped their development/situation.

Of course though, we can't have the Golden Quadrant calling out each others incompetence.

And repeat something that has already been said a million times and has clearly now changed?

The churn of managers hasn't hampered the development of Levitt, Amos or JDH, they just aren't good enough.

[nonshinyfinish]

the "Refusenicks" i expect to see this used quite often up to the January window :greengrin

Seems like an ideal hibs.net term – misspelled and the literal opposite to its original meaning (people not being allowed to leave): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refusenik#Refusenik_as_a_word

[Hibees1973]

Why would he say that? Every club has players that, through a variety of reasons, find themselves outwith the first team squad.

Really struggle to see why you are on a Hibs forum when you so clearly hate everything about the club.

I don't see any reason why he couldn't say that recruitment on the whole has been poor. Look how many other players MacKay has had to move on during this window. A fair bit of his time has been spent moving a whole load of players out of the club or finding loans deals for which the club will still be paying a substantial amount of their wages.

I think a lot of Hibs supporters have a degree of suspicion that the Golden Quadrant are looking after each other. This statement from MacKay endorses this. If MacKay is pointing the finger at players sitting on contracts Hibs awarded them, he should have also called out the structure and failings at the club which brought them here in the first place.

[Paul1642]

wtf is the Golden Quadrant. I’ve definitely missed something.

[Bobby's Cinema]

wtf is the Golden Quadrant. I’ve definitely missed something.
I miss the days when I didn't know what the golden quadrant was

[Donegal Hibby]

I don't see any reason why he couldn't say that recruitment on the whole has been poor. Look how many other players MacKay has had to move on during this window. A fair bit of his time has been spent moving a whole load of players out of the club or finding loans deals for which the club will still be paying a substantial amount of their wages.

I think a lot of Hibs supporters have a degree of suspicion that the Golden Quadrant are looking after each other. This statement from MacKay endorses this. If MacKay is pointing the finger at players sitting on contracts Hibs awarded them, he should have also called out the structure and failings at the club which brought them here in the first place.

So you want Mackay to come out and say what everyone already knows which has been said anyway in the past .

Hopefully he’s looking to the future rather than dwelling on past in moving the club forward .

[Nicho87]

Big bad Malky comes across as a horror.

Where as before we reward mediocrity with new contracts.

Go on yerself MM

[JimBHibees]

Correct

I suspect that this is the start of the sickening them process which may help force them to leave then.

Sadly I doubt, given the ridiculous contracts some of them are on that it will have the desired effect.

I can see it for the older /injured guys, but for the likes of Kenneh it seems like career suicide, so it must be well worth it for him.

Makes no sense for Kenneh not to be playing. He would still be on his Hibs wage. In terms of removing some from squad makes complete sense as too many numbers can make a session very difficult to run and coach properly.

[JimBHibees]

Why? For doing his job and putting the club first?


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And helping a young manager the best he can.

[JimBHibees]

I guess maybe some clubs maybe were interested in signing some of the refusenicks and the players indicated they wanted to stay maybe? If so fk the players.

That is exactly what MacKay alluded to

[Jones28]

So you want Mackay to come out and say what everyone already knows which has been said anyway in the past .

Hopefully he’s looking to the future rather than dwelling on past in moving the club forward .

This poster makes the same points incessantly. I look forward to reading about the golden quadrant for years to come.

[HoboHarry]

wtf is the Golden Quadrant. I’ve definitely missed something.

I don't know either but if I ever find out I'll draw it in Autocad and make the image my computer screen background.

[CropleyWasGod]

I don't know either but if I ever find out I'll draw it in Autocad and make the image my computer screen background.

Tbf, calling them a "quadrant" is preferable to calling them a "shower". :wink:

[LunasBoots]

Let's just hope they are kept well away from our first team squad and don't cause issues that effect the squad down the line

[HoboHarry]

Tbf, calling them a "quadrant" is preferable to calling them a "shower". :wink:
Correct, we don't want Gary Locke as part of our management team.....

[silverhibee]

Hibs get tough with non-playing squad fillers as training warning issued
Hibs fringe players who knocked back exit opportunities during the summer window may find themselves excluded from first-team training just to keep sessions manageable. And the unwanted outsiders have been warned that, by refusing to move on this year, they risk becoming forgotten men.

New sporting director Malky Mackay managed to usher a number of unsettled or under-used squad members out of the East Mains exit door before last Friday night’s transfer deadline. A number of familiar names were among the departures designed to create room on the wage bill and generate space for the ELEVEN new signings made by David Gray.

Riley Harbottle, who hasn’t featured under the past two managers since being handed a three-year deal by Lee Johnson just last summer, was off-loaded to AFC Wimbledon through a permanent transfer of undisclosed terms, the central defender signing a two-year contract with the League Two side. Allan Delferriere, another Johnson signing limited to almost zero game time under Nick Montgomery and then Gray, has joined Luxembourg side Racing Union Letzebuerg on a season-long loan.


Jair Tavares, squeezed out of competition for wingers by the arrival of Junior Hoilett, Nicky Cadden and Kieron Bowie, has gone on loan to Motherwell. And even Dylan Vente, just a year on from his £500,000-plus move from Roda, has been allowed to join PEC Zwolle on loan in a bid to rediscover his scoring touch.


But midfielder Nohan Kenneh, who has a year left on his contract, remains in situ. The same applies to winger/forward Harry McKirdy, who spent the second half of last season on loan at Swindon Town, as well as a number of other senior pros – including veteran former QPR midfielder Luke Amos – who may struggle for minutes under the management of new gaffer Gray.

Without naming names, Mackay made it clear that he’d have liked to clear out even more dead wood before the deadline, saying: “There has been an evolution of the squad. But there are players who probably won’t get much game time.


“You can talk to them about their future but, at the end of the day, it’s up to them to decide whether they want to leave. Do they want to take up an option if a club comes in, do a deal and go on loan or leave permanently?


“If they didn’t want to do that, there has been clarity from me – they won’t get much game time this year. And that will affect you in a year’s time.


“I talk to them about having a body of work. If you leave a club without having a recent body of work, I’ve seen it so many times now.

“Players come up, you know their name, you know they’ve played at a reasonable standard. But the first thing a club asks is: ‘What have you done in the last year?’





“And, if a player has zero football in that season, trust me, clubs shy away from that. I’ve tried to explain that to a few here.

“Some have listened to that. Some have decided to stay, and that’s fine.”
While no-one at Hibs denies a professional’s right to see out their contract rather than accept a move, possibly one involving a financial hit, to a less attractive environment, Mackay made it clear that the refuseniks are likely to find themselves out in the cold when Gray gathers his over-sized first-team squad for training, saying: “They have to realise that they might not always train with the first-team squad, just because of numbers. There will be training for them, obviously, because they’re contracted players, and you respect everyone. But they won’t get as many opportunities.

“I was very clear on that with a number of players this summer. Because we have to evolve.”











How did we end up with the goalkeeper if that’s the case about what you done in the last year scenario.

[Iain G]

wtf is the Golden Quadrant. I’ve definitely missed something.

Something to do with Quidditch I think?

[Just Alf]

How did we end up with the goalkeeper if that’s the case about what you done in the last year scenario.That went through my mind as well :agree:

[number9dream]

Amos had two excellent seasons in the Championship, which is a faster more robust league than ours. He probably needs a regular run of games to get up to speed but that’s not going to happen in such a cutthroat environment and reserve outings don’t offer the same physical challenge.
Without knowing the details around Kenneh, it seems poor that a solution could not be found to get him playing somewhere else. Surely it would be better for all parties if he was at Livingston or Dunfermline even if they were only paying his bus fare?
Must be utterly miserable being in this position…

[Wilson]

That went through my mind as well :agree:

He did say shy away from. Not that it is an impossibility.

However, if a player wants the best move possible it helps if he is match fit and has recent stats backing him? Especially if you're trying to command a wage an not have a club take a punt on you.

[JimBHibees]

Amos had two excellent seasons in the Championship, which is a faster more robust league than ours. He probably needs a regular run of games to get up to speed but that’s not going to happen in such a cutthroat environment and reserve outings don’t offer the same physical challenge.
Without knowing the details around Kenneh, it seems poor that a solution could not be found to get him playing somewhere else. Surely it would be better for all parties if he was at Livingston or Dunfermline even if they were only paying his bus fare?
Must be utterly miserable being in this position…

Assuming the player himself turned down such a move

[Springbank]

It's no exaggeration to say Amos vs Kelty was a difficult watch

He looked like a robot whose default factory settings are those of a good footballer but he has forgotten how to.

I am surprised he didn't ask for a move as he looked like an unhappy guy in the wrong movie - and that, in turn, made him look like one of the worst footballers on the park that day

It's just not right for either party & he should think seriously about quitting the sport its that bad, imo

[number9dream]

Assuming the player himself turned down such a move

Aye, just can’t get my head round why anyone would think that was a good idea.
Perfectly entitled to sit on a contract but surely a footballer wants to be playing football even if it is at a lower level. Go and show you are better than that! Like Maolida did with us.

[Tom Hart RIP]

Remember hearing Jon Parkin on the Under the Cosh podcast speaking about Malky when he was manager of Cardiff.
Parkin was one of a few players that Malky wanted rid of and he made it as awkward as possible for them all, training at different times meaning they would hit traffic at rush hours and stuff like that.
I think Parkin even had to pay for a League Cup final ticket to support his team mates.
It eventually worked as he left by mutual agreement before the end of his contract.

[Chorley Hibee]

Remember hearing Jon Parkin on the Under the Cosh podcast speaking about Malky when he was manager of Cardiff.
Parkin was one of a few players that Malky wanted rid of and he made it as awkward as possible for them all, training at different times meaning they would hit traffic at rush hours and stuff like that.
I think Parkin even had to pay for a League Cup final ticket to support his team mates.
It eventually worked as he left by mutual agreement before the end of his contract.

McKay sounds like a complete fanny, if those stories are true.

I want these guys moved on as much as the next guy, but treating them in that manner, for sitting on contracts the club offered them, is pretty ****ing low.

Something about McKay that I'm just never going to take to.

[superfurryhibby]

Amos had two excellent seasons in the Championship, which is a faster more robust league than ours. He probably needs a regular run of games to get up to speed but that’s not going to happen in such a cutthroat environment and reserve outings don’t offer the same physical challenge.
Without knowing the details around Kenneh, it seems poor that a solution could not be found to get him playing somewhere else. Surely it would be better for all parties if he was at Livingston or Dunfermline even if they were only paying his bus fare?
Must be utterly miserable being in this position…

Given his injury history, I think it's pretty safe to say that his poor show at Hibs is due to not being able physically compete at the same level any more.

[greenlex]

Remember hearing Jon Parkin on the Under the Cosh podcast speaking about Malky when he was manager of Cardiff.
Parkin was one of a few players that Malky wanted rid of and he made it as awkward as possible for them all, training at different times meaning they would hit traffic at rush hours and stuff like that.
I think Parkin even had to pay for a League Cup final ticket to support his team mates.
It eventually worked as he left by mutual agreement before the end of his contract.

I’d have went further and told them if they didn’t go play elsewhere they could sit in the house. Pay them obviously but not anywhere near training even with the kids. Their call.

[Billy Whizz]

I’d have went further and told them if they didn’t go play elsewhere they could sit in the house. Pay them obviously but not anywhere near training even with the kids. Their call.

Unfortunately you’re not allowed to do that, you have to provide them with training facilities
Wonder what Chelsea do

[HoboHarry]

McKay sounds like a complete fanny, if those stories are true.

I want these guys moved on as much as the next guy, but treating them in that manner, for sitting on contracts the club offered them, is pretty ****ing low.

Something about McKay that I'm just never going to take to.
Don't see it that way at all, whether it's right or wrong similar happens all over between employers and unwanted employees. It's an upgrade on how Jim McLean and his ilk treated players.

[The Green Sea]

the "Refusenicks" i expect to see this used quite often up to the January window :greengrin

I wasn’t aware we’d even signed Refusenick. What position does he play.

[Wilson]

McKay sounds like a complete fanny, if those stories are true.

I want these guys moved on as much as the next guy, but treating them in that manner, for sitting on contracts the club offered them, is pretty ****ing low.

Something about McKay that I'm just never going to take to.

Well. You get one side of a story from a jilted player. How badly they were treated. The fact is if you are not required and treated as such it is a harsh reality to accept. The focus is, rightly, on players who are required. And it isn't easy to keep them happy as it is!

MacKay will have told them straight. The club will pay their due. But we don't have the resources to coddle players that are not going to play for us and don't want to play anywhere else.

[Since452]

Good

[CapitalGreen]

Unfortunately you’re not allowed to do that, you have to provide them with training facilities
Wonder what Chelsea do

Why is it unfortunate that you aren’t able to treat people like ****?

[J-C]

McKay sounds like a complete fanny, if those stories are true.

I want these guys moved on as much as the next guy, but treating them in that manner, for sitting on contracts the club offered them, is pretty ****ing low.

Something about McKay that I'm just never going to take to.

Similar happened with Sancho at Man U, fell out with Tan Haag and told to train with the kids until the next window, in Jan he went on loan and is out on loan again at Chelsea. You cannot molly coddle senior footballers at a club, we need to move forward and as happens when new managers come in, certain players will not be wanted by any new manager, footballers are surely not that stupid to think when things change at a club they are guaranteed to stay.

[Brooster]

McKay sounds like a complete fanny, if those stories are true.

I want these guys moved on as much as the next guy, but treating them in that manner, for sitting on contracts the club offered them, is pretty ****ing low.

Something about McKay that I'm just never going to take to.

I'd be inclined not to take jilted Parkin at face value.

Malky offered all these wasters good loan moves but they all refused every deal. They are hanging around like a bad smell. Malky is doing the right thing, we've been a soft touch for too long.

[Eyrie]

If a player isn't wanted by Hibs but turns down an opportunity to play elsewhere on loan whilst still collecting his Hibs salary, then I have no problem with life being made awkward for them because it is their choice to be a non-playing non-contributor. Not the sort of character I'd want to work with.

On the other hand, I'd have sympathy for a player treated like that if no other club at a reasonable level had enquired about them because they'd have a boss I wouldn't want to work for.

I suspect the players Mackay was referring to did have other options to play this season.

[MKHIBEE]

I wasn’t aware we’d even signed Refusenick. What position does he play.

Don’t know. He refused to tell us

[K-Zazu]

Kenneh starting for Liberia. Is he that bad? I’ve not seen him play for about 18 months or so mind due.

[cameronw-hfc]

Wasn't there talks of this being banned in future?

Really, really against this type of treatment. At the end of the day the club offered them the contracts, it's not exactly wrong if they won't get a better deal elsewhere to see it out as long as they can.

Instead we are punishing the players instead of those who offered the deals. Some of the players mentioned in the article have barely had an opportunity as well.

[Donegal Hibby]

I wasn’t aware we’d even signed Refusenick. What position does he play.

Rumours that our previous manager tried to sign him too but he said no .

[HoboHarry]

Wasn't there talks of this being banned in future?

Really, really against this type of treatment. At the end of the day the club offered them the contracts, it's not exactly wrong if they won't get a better deal elsewhere to see it out as long as they can.

Instead we are punishing the players instead of those who offered the deals. Some of the players mentioned in the article have barely had an opportunity as well.
It's not punishing players, it's prioritizing the players we want to keep.

[JohnM1875]

Wasn't there talks of this being banned in future?

Really, really against this type of treatment. At the end of the day the club offered them the contracts, it's not exactly wrong if they won't get a better deal elsewhere to see it out as long as they can.

Instead we are punishing the players instead of those who offered the deals. Some of the players mentioned in the article have barely had an opportunity as well.

The players mentioned in the article are from a journalist. Be surprised if McKirdy and Amos were players we're not integrating with the first squad. Both been on the bench this season and McKirdy played and scored in a bounce game midweek.

We're also still honouring the contract. We're paying their wage in full. A contract doesn't guarantee anything else really.

[The Green Sea]

Don’t know. He refused to tell us

😆

[Dmas]

McKay sounds like a complete fanny, if those stories are true.

I want these guys moved on as much as the next guy, but treating them in that manner, for sitting on contracts the club offered them, is pretty ****ing low.

Something about McKay that I'm just never going to take to.

For years now we have needed someone to take the club by the scruf of the neck, stop being a soft touch to agents, and get rid of the dross that we have been saddled with for years, we get that starting to happen and MM is a fanny?

These guys have had an Oppertunity to come here and play, failed, they have had the Oppertunity to go out on loan and prove they deserve either a chance here or win a move elsewhere, failed, they’ve now been told as the window was open they can leave as they won’t be selected here and they’ve not bothered, have we to then allow them to train with the first team even with the knowledge they won’t be picked? Going to risk lowering a standard they are trying to raise just to be nice?

[brianmc]

Why is it unfortunate that you aren’t able to treat people like ****?

That's a really weird take on things.

When a manager is told his services are no longer required, there's no need for him to attend work - and his contract will be honoured in full we call that "gardening leave".

When it happens to a player you think the Club are treating them like ****??

Personally I think it's about time Hibs took a tough stance on some of the absolute dross accumulated by previous management failures.

None of them are being stiffed out of what we're due them contractually - so what's your problem?

[Since90+2]

That's a really weird take on things.

When a manager is told his services are no longer required, there's no need for him to attend work - and his contract will be honoured in full we call that "gardening leave".

When it happens to a player you think the Club are treating them like ****??

Personally I think it's about time Hibs took a tough stance on some of the absolute dross accumulated by previous management failures.

None of them are being stiffed out of what we're due them contractually - so what's your problem?

Yip. Drama queens galore on this thread.

[Lago]

McKay sounds like a complete fanny, if those stories are true.

I want these guys moved on as much as the next guy, but treating them in that manner, for sitting on contracts the club offered them, is pretty ****ing low.

Something about McKay that I'm just never going to take to.
Yip I'm not comfortable with that kind of treatment.

[The Tubs]

If they're taking the piss, then the gloves should rightly come off.

[Just Alf]

Wasn't there talks of this being banned in future?

Really, really against this type of treatment. At the end of the day the club offered them the contracts, it's not exactly wrong if they won't get a better deal elsewhere to see it out as long as they can.

Instead we are punishing the players instead of those who offered the deals. Some of the players mentioned in the article have barely had an opportunity as well.To be clear, we're talking about the fringe players out of the 1st team picture.

They'll still have access to all the facilities, get their wage and will be training with the other players not in the 1st team squad.

Like the rest of the players (most probably up and coming hopefully) they will have a chance to show their skills and put themselves either back into contention or in the shop window.. we did sign them at some point so while it's maybe not working here at the moment they probably have something about them to be on our books in the 1st place.

[greenlex]

Unfortunately you’re not allowed to do that, you have to provide them with training facilities
Wonder what Chelsea do

Why? If I’m not required in my profession I don’t get to keep going in and work or practice ti keep my hand in contract or not. If they’re still being paid surely it’s up to the employer. In this case the club. It’s not like they havent had opportunity to go elsewhere or indeed notice of sorts that they won’t get game time..

[MWHIBBIES]

Why? If I’m not required in my profession I don’t get to keep going in and work or practice ti keep my hand in contract or not. If they’re still being paid surely it’s up to the employer. In this case the club. It’s not like they havent had opportunity to go elsewhere or indeed notice of sorts that they won’t get game time..

Would be dreadful behaviour from the club to forbid them using the facilities. Thankfully we're better than that.

[percy veer]

Amos had two excellent seasons in the Championship, which is a faster more robust league than ours. He probably needs a regular run of games to get up to speed but that’s not going to happen in such a cutthroat environment and reserve outings don’t offer the same physical challenge.
Without knowing the details around Kenneh, it seems poor that a solution could not be found to get him playing somewhere else. Surely it would be better for all parties if he was at Livingston or Dunfermline even if they were only paying his bus fare?
Must be utterly miserable being in this position…


Think thats the point make them want to leave

[Paul1642]

Wasn't there talks of this being banned in future?

Really, really against this type of treatment. At the end of the day the club offered them the contracts, it's not exactly wrong if they won't get a better deal elsewhere to see it out as long as they can.

Instead we are punishing the players instead of those who offered the deals. Some of the players mentioned in the article have barely had an opportunity as well.

I disagree. A contact should be a two way street and if we hypothetically sign a player who then proceeds to become unmotivated, lazy, unfit or simply doesn’t perform close to the level expected of them, then they should not be afforded the same privileges as a player who busts a gut for the club and is performing well on the pitch.

Guys like Kenneh can take the piss all they want but he will have shot himself in the foot when his career is dead in the water at 23 year old because he hasn’t kicked a ball in 3 years, when he could have been out on loan playing every week.

[Billy Whizz]

Why? If I’m not required in my profession I don’t get to keep going in and work or practice ti keep my hand in contract or not. If they’re still being paid surely it’s up to the employer. In this case the club. It’s not like they havent had opportunity to go elsewhere or indeed notice of sorts that they won’t get game time..

Athletes need to train to keep fit

One thing we’re missing in all this is the contracts these players were given
Remember when the TV deal was pulled in the early 2000’s. Players like John O’Neill etc never played for Hibs much after this. Presume contracts them included goals, appearances etc
Did we just give these players big contracts with no incentive for playing and incentivising them? If they are almost getting full wages to train, why up your family to move somewhere else

[Kato]

Not a fan of airing this kind of stuff publicly, to be honest. It really isn’t hard to infer who he’s talking about. If you’re going to freeze players out of the squad, fine, the manager should make that decision, but I really don’t see the benefit in publicly shaming guys who have chosen to retain the contracts that Hibs committed to honouring.

It’s not that what he’s saying is untrue, I just don’t see why it needs to be said at all.Better getting it out and being firm about it than it appears on here first along with the inevitable 52 pages of gossip, hearsay and doom-mongering.

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[silverhibee]

Why? If I’m not required in my profession I don’t get to keep going in and work or practice ti keep my hand in contract or not. If they’re still being paid surely it’s up to the employer. In this case the club. It’s not like they havent had opportunity to go elsewhere or indeed notice of sorts that they won’t get game time..

Pretty sure they have to be offered training facilities.

[B.H.F.C]

Wasn't there talks of this being banned in future?

Really, really against this type of treatment. At the end of the day the club offered them the contracts, it's not exactly wrong if they won't get a better deal elsewhere to see it out as long as they can.

Instead we are punishing the players instead of those who offered the deals. Some of the players mentioned in the article have barely had an opportunity as well.

It’s not as if it’s uncommon in football. There will be players at almost every club who train away from the first team squad. Managers have a job to do and if there are players who are nowhere near playing for them then of course they’re not going to want to have them involved and potentially just getting in the way.

In any other job if you’re not performing you get the sack. In this job, you might have to train at a different time or with a different bunch of people.

This shouldn’t even really be a story.

[IberianHibernian]

I disagree. A contact should be a two way street and if we hypothetically sign a player who then proceeds to become unmotivated, lazy, unfit or simply doesn’t perform close to the level expected of them, then they should not be afforded the same privileges as a player who busts a gut for the club and is performing well on the pitch.

Guys like Kenneh can take the piss all they want but he will have shot himself in the foot when his career is dead in the water at 23 year old because he hasn’t kicked a ball in 3 years, when he could have been out on loan playing every week.May be wrong but did Kenneh not play most of our games in first half of 21/22 and almost every game for Ross County in second half of that season , then played almost every match for Shrewsbury last season ie he was out on loan playing every week until this summer ?

[CapitalGreen]

May be wrong but did Kenneh not play most of our games in first half of 21/22 and almost every game for Ross County in second half of that season , then played almost every match for Shrewsbury last season ie he was out on loan playing every week until this summer ?

Yup, 71 appearances over the last 2 seasons.

[IberianHibernian]

Why? If I’m not required in my profession I don’t get to keep going in and work or practice ti keep my hand in contract or not. If they’re still being paid surely it’s up to the employer. In this case the club. It’s not like they havent had opportunity to go elsewhere or indeed notice of sorts that they won’t get game time..Do we know if any of the players involved have been offered reasonable alternatives to staying with us ? MM has just arrived at Hibs and could leave at any time . Should we expect players with contracts to leave Hibs on MM`s advice ?

[neil7908]

It's no exaggeration to say Amos vs Kelty was a difficult watch

He looked like a robot whose default factory settings are those of a good footballer but he has forgotten how to.

I am surprised he didn't ask for a move as he looked like an unhappy guy in the wrong movie - and that, in turn, made him look like one of the worst footballers on the park that day

It's just not right for either party & he should think seriously about quitting the sport its that bad, imo

And we signed him after several weeks on trial if I remember correctly. Their is a lot of anger directed at the players here but we've made poor signing after poor signing, some of them costing us a lot of money.

[neil7908]

Wasn't there talks of this being banned in future?

Really, really against this type of treatment. At the end of the day the club offered them the contracts, it's not exactly wrong if they won't get a better deal elsewhere to see it out as long as they can.

Instead we are punishing the players instead of those who offered the deals. Some of the players mentioned in the article have barely had an opportunity as well.

I'm also not sure how effective a strategy it is. Surely if we want to shift some of these guys in January we are shooting ourselves in the foot by not keeping them training at a good level? And what if we get an injury crisis and need cover?

It feels like a lot of anger here should be directed at the guys (some of them very much still active at the club) who let us accumulate such a large number of players who have very quickly been deemed not good enough.

[HoboHarry]

I'm also not sure how effective a strategy it is. Surely if we want to shift some of these guys in January we are shooting ourselves in the foot by not keeping them training at a good level? And what if we get an injury crisis and need cover?

It feels like a lot of anger here should be directed at the guys (some of them very much still active at the club) who let us accumulate such a large number of players who have very quickly been deemed not good enough.

What good would that do? They made mistakes (who hasn't?) and they addressed that by appointing MM and he is rectifying past issues. What more can they do?

[neil7908]

What good would that do? They made mistakes (who hasn't?) and they addressed that by appointing MM and he is rectifying past issues. What more can they do?

This thread is full of folk telling the players to GTF. I'm just pointing out that this anger is misplaced and being directed at the wrong people imo.

What more could they do? Well resigning...

[HoboHarry]

This thread is full of folk telling the players to GTF. I'm just pointing out that this anger is misplaced and being directed at the wrong people imo.

What more could they do? Well resigning...

The owners of the club resign? If that's what you are meaning then what after that?

[Dmas]

I'm also not sure how effective a strategy it is. Surely if we want to shift some of these guys in January we are shooting ourselves in the foot by not keeping them training at a good level? And what if we get an injury crisis and need cover?

It feels like a lot of anger here should be directed at the guys (some of them very much still active at the club) who let us accumulate such a large number of players who have very quickly been deemed not good enough.

Football players the world over are told they are not in the managers plans, it’s happened for eons, do you think they are then allowed to continue training with the first team? Look at Sancho at Man Utd manager thought he was unfit and not training to standard, sent to reserves not bringing the training sessions down.

Same thing here Kenneh will be a cert to be one and I’d imagine there would only be another 2 at this stage, McKirdy and mystery man JDH, 2 out of those 3 are nowhere near good enough, they have a contract which is being honoured and they will have facilities to train in, they chose not to be in a first team environment by deciding to stay here even though they knew it would be reserve team football this isn’t a slight on anyone other than the professionalism of those players.

[Allant1981]

Surely there can't be many at the club now who they don't want, it was a huge turn around this summer

[mayo hibee]

McKay sounds like a complete fanny, if those stories are true.

I want these guys moved on as much as the next guy, but treating them in that manner, for sitting on contracts the club offered them, is pretty ****ing low.



It's pretty poor form from Hibs going public with this story in this way. You don't need to know much to work out who the players are.

I think Mackay thinks doing this will reflect badly on the players and convince them to leave in January. But they might be as likely to dig in as a result of it. Especially given that, Hibs being Hibs, we'll probably have a different manager for the second half of the season and he might fancy some of them.

More than anything it reflects badly on the people at the club who signed them in the first place, and brought in successive failed managers who also contributed to the high turnover of players. His own mates basically.

It's likely to affect morale among the first team squad as well, many of the first team will be friends with these lads and won't appreciate seeing their friends treated publicly like this. They'll also feel that they could be next for the same treatment and cannot count on the support of the club they have signed for. So it's a self defeating strategy really. Chances are a few of our recent signings will find themselves in the same position by this time next year.



Something about McKay that I'm just never going to take to.

It's probably that he's a confirmed racist who shouldn't be anywhere near the club.

[McD]

I disagree. A contact should be a two way street and if we hypothetically sign a player who then proceeds to become unmotivated, lazy, unfit or simply doesn’t perform close to the level expected of them, then they should not be afforded the same privileges as a player who busts a gut for the club and is performing well on the pitch.

Guys like Kenneh can take the piss all they want but he will have shot himself in the foot when his career is dead in the water at 23 year old because he hasn’t kicked a ball in 3 years, when he could have been out on loan playing every week.



How are they taking the piss?


They’re within their rights to reject a loan, for whatever reason. They and Hibs both agreed to their contracts. Hibs are within their rights to tell them to train separately to the first team squad. The club was honest with them about the chances of them getting significant game time, and gave them the opportunity to go out on loan (or permanently presumably). I’m not sure if the club sought out loans or left that up to the players.


There’s been no noise about any of these players causing any disruptions, or being unfit (JDH aside) or being less than professional at training or in their conduct.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

It's pretty poor form from Hibs going public with this story in this way. You don't need to know much to work out who the players are.

I think Mackay thinks doing this will reflect badly on the players and convince them to leave in January. But they might be as likely to dig in as a result of it. Especially given that, Hibs being Hibs, we'll probably have a different manager for the second half of the season and he might fancy some of them.

More than anything it reflects badly on the people at the club who signed them in the first place, and brought in successive failed managers who also contributed to the high turnover of players. His own mates basically.

It's likely to affect morale among the first team squad as well, many of the first team will be friends with these lads and won't appreciate seeing their friends treated publicly like this. They'll also feel that they could be next for the same treatment and cannot count on the support of the club they have signed for. So it's a self defeating strategy really. Chances are a few of our recent signings will find themselves in the same position by this time next year.



It's probably that he's a confirmed racist who shouldn't be anywhere near the club.

Has he not deserved a chance since that all happened. He has went some way to redemption, or should he forever have to pay for his actions?

[Springbank]

I'm glad Malky Mackay is on board as we are beginning to sign the sorts of players we've needed for a while.

And lets park for good this nonsense on racism etc.

I would argue Kwon, Ekpiteta & others might enlighten posters like Mayo Hibee about how Malky 2024 is, having learned from his past idiotic & regrettable comments and become a better person for it now

[chrisski33]

It's pretty poor form from Hibs going public with this story in this way. You don't need to know much to work out who the players are.

I think Mackay thinks doing this will reflect badly on the players and convince them to leave in January. But they might be as likely to dig in as a result of it. Especially given that, Hibs being Hibs, we'll probably have a different manager for the second half of the season and he might fancy some of them.

More than anything it reflects badly on the people at the club who signed them in the first place, and brought in successive failed managers who also contributed to the high turnover of players. His own mates basically.

It's likely to affect morale among the first team squad as well, many of the first team will be friends with these lads and won't appreciate seeing their friends treated publicly like this. They'll also feel that they could be next for the same treatment and cannot count on the support of the club they have signed for. So it's a self defeating strategy really. Chances are a few of our recent signings will find themselves in the same position by this time next year.



It's probably that he's a confirmed racist who shouldn't be anywhere near the club.

Disagree. For far too long Hibs seem to have pampered to the players and now showing toughness towards them.
Not sure any club would be too happy for those rejecting move if presented to them. Club have been been honest and said to them they will not see 1st team action.
This was a media piece so not all the facts will have been reported.

About time someone put the club's interests first rather than players who don't want to be here.

[mayo hibee]

I'm glad Malky Mackay is on board as we are beginning to sign the sorts of players we've needed for a while.

And lets park for good this nonsense on racism etc.

I would argue Kwon, Ekpiteta & others might enlighten posters like Mayo Hibee about how Malky 2024 is, having learned from his past idiotic & regrettable comments and become a better person for it now

Well he could have started by properly addressing it in his first interview when he joined, the impression I got was that he just wanted to brush it aside as quickly as possible.

This wasn't some misunderstanding/spur of the moment comment - what he wrote in those messages was utterly appalling. He has to accept that it will follow him for his career and will need to be fully readdressed wherever he goes. I didn't get the sense that he had any genuine appreciation of that in that interview and if there was a press release tomorrow to say he's departed the club I'd be delighted.

[TrinityHFC]

Well he could have started by properly addressing it in his first interview when he joined, the impression I got was that he just wanted to brush it aside as quickly as possible.

This wasn't some misunderstanding/spur of the moment comment - what he wrote in those messages was utterly appalling. He has to accept that it will follow him for his career and will need to be fully readdressed wherever he goes. I didn't get the sense that he had any genuine appreciation of that in that interview and if there was a press release tomorrow to say he's departed the club I'd be delighted.

In the scheme of what people say or do what he said was wrong but it wasn’t utterly appalling. He’s spoken before about how sorry he was and what he’s done to learn from it. Those who’ve worked with him all have very good things to say about how he actually treats people.

You are lying to yourself if you don’t think you’ve ever said anything equivalent to what he said about at least one of the groups.

[Tambo]

Should hopefully get them out in January then if this is the case.

[greenlex]

Well he could have started by properly addressing it in his first interview when he joined, the impression I got was that he just wanted to brush it aside as quickly as possible.

This wasn't some misunderstanding/spur of the moment comment - what he wrote in those messages was utterly appalling. He has to accept that it will follow him for his career and will need to be fully readdressed wherever he goes. I didn't get the sense that he had any genuine appreciation of that in that interview and if there was a press release tomorrow to say he's departed the club I'd be delighted.
It’s been fully addressed over and over and over. Not sure it needs done every time he goes out the house to be honest.

[archie]

Well he could have started by properly addressing it in his first interview when he joined, the impression I got was that he just wanted to brush it aside as quickly as possible.

This wasn't some misunderstanding/spur of the moment comment - what he wrote in those messages was utterly appalling. He has to accept that it will follow him for his career and will need to be fully readdressed wherever he goes. I didn't get the sense that he had any genuine appreciation of that in that interview and if there was a press release tomorrow to say he's departed the club I'd be delighted.

Anti racism groups don't see it your way:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-38314905

[Shrekko]

Well he could have started by properly addressing it in his first interview when he joined, the impression I got was that he just wanted to brush it aside as quickly as possible.

This wasn't some misunderstanding/spur of the moment comment - what he wrote in those messages was utterly appalling. He has to accept that it will follow him for his career and will need to be fully readdressed wherever he goes. I didn't get the sense that he had any genuine appreciation of that in that interview and if there was a press release tomorrow to say he's departed the club I'd be delighted.

How intolerant do you have to be to decide that somebody doesn’t get a 2nd chance despite clear evidence that he has apologised on numerous occasions and has completely rehabilitated?

It’s so uncharitable and as many have pointed out I’m sure there are people all over football who’ve done and said far worse.

[basehibby]

I don't see any reason why he couldn't say that recruitment on the whole has been poor. Look how many other players MacKay has had to move on during this window. A fair bit of his time has been spent moving a whole load of players out of the club or finding loans deals for which the club will still be paying a substantial amount of their wages.

I think a lot of Hibs supporters have a degree of suspicion that the Golden Quadrant are looking after each other. This statement from MacKay endorses this. If MacKay is pointing the finger at players sitting on contracts Hibs awarded them, he should have also called out the structure and failings at the club which brought them here in the first place.

Yada yada yada - so just to satisfy your appetite for negativity our DOF should go on record basically slagging off his employer by digging up and highlighting errors everybody already knows about? Of course he's not going to do that!

It may not have occurred to you but MM's job as DOF is precisely to "look after" the First Team Coach, the Owners and the MD - they are supposed to be a TEAM FFS - he is basically THERE to make their lives easier - not to slag them off for the sake of it!

By the way - what the hell is with all this "Golden Quadrant" pish?!? We are Hibernian FC - not the ****ing illuminati!

[Lago]

It’s been fully addressed over and over and over. Not sure it needs done every time he goes out the house to be honest.
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[A Hi-Bee]

Is this really news?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Well he could have started by properly addressing it in his first interview when he joined, the impression I got was that he just wanted to brush it aside as quickly as possible.

This wasn't some misunderstanding/spur of the moment comment - what he wrote in those messages was utterly appalling. He has to accept that it will follow him for his career and will need to be fully readdressed wherever he goes. I didn't get the sense that he had any genuine appreciation of that in that interview and if there was a press release tomorrow to say he's departed the club I'd be delighted.

Agree with your last sentence. I’ll be delighted when Mackay leaves the club.

[KeithTheHibby]

It's pretty poor form from Hibs going public with this story in this way. You don't need to know much to work out who the players are.

I think Mackay thinks doing this will reflect badly on the players and convince them to leave in January. But they might be as likely to dig in as a result of it. Especially given that, Hibs being Hibs, we'll probably have a different manager for the second half of the season and he might fancy some of them.

More than anything it reflects badly on the people at the club who signed them in the first place, and brought in successive failed managers who also contributed to the high turnover of players. His own mates basically.

It's likely to affect morale among the first team squad as well, many of the first team will be friends with these lads and won't appreciate seeing their friends treated publicly like this. They'll also feel that they could be next for the same treatment and cannot count on the support of the club they have signed for. So it's a self defeating strategy really. Chances are a few of our recent signings will find themselves in the same position by this time next year.



It's probably that he's a confirmed racist who shouldn't be anywhere near the club.


What about the fact that Boyle and Newell are convicted drink drivers? That ok for you?

[Lester B]

In the scheme of what people say or do what he said was wrong but it wasn’t utterly appalling. He’s spoken before about how sorry he was and what he’s done to learn from it. Those who’ve worked with him all have very good things to say about how he actually treats people.

You are lying to yourself if you don’t think you’ve ever said anything equivalent to what he said about at least one of the groups.



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[Paulie Walnuts]

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[greenpaper55]

Agree with your last sentence. I’ll be delighted when Mackay leaves the club.

Give it a rest, this has been done to death and what this has to do with players not training with the main squad ?

[TrinityHFC]

:agree:

I’ve gone my whole life so far having never met anyone who hasn’t said or done anything wrong. Quite something that they are all gathered here.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I’ve gone my whole life so far having never met anyone who hasn’t said or done anything wrong. Quite something that they are all gathered here.

That’s not what you said. You said everybody will have said something equivalent about the groups he targeted. I can say right now I haven’t. You might well have said some of these horrendous things, but not everyone is like you.

[Lester B]

I’ve gone my whole life so far having never met anyone who hasn’t said or done anything wrong. Quite something that they are all gathered here.

That's not what he or I are saying and you know it.

I have never and will never say anything equivalent to what he said.

And if you have then that's your problem.

Not my problem.

[TrinityHFC]

That’s not what you said. You said everybody will have said something equivalent about the groups he targeted. I can say right now I haven’t. You might well have said some of these horrendous things, but not everyone is like you.

You’ve never made a comment for example about a body part of a female or male, to a friend in private?

Good for you if not I suppose.

The things on the messages are wrong but in the scheme of things, in private, they were not horrendous.

[Lester B]

You’ve never made a comment for example about a body part of a female or male, to a friend in private?

Good for you if not I suppose.

The things on the messages are wrong but in the scheme of things, in private, they were not horrendous.

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Superb. Dumb as a rock for sure but still inadvertently very funny. You're not getting this word 'equivalent' are you?

They were horrendous by the way. Quite appalling. And saying them in private isn't any better

[Wilson]

:faf:

Superb. Dumb as a rock for sure but still inadvertently very funny. You're not getting this word 'equivalent' are you?

They were horrendous by the way. Quite appalling. And saying them in private isn't any better

Aye, but what have you got against rocks?

Outrageous.

[HoboHarry]

Some holier than thou's on this thread. If everything I've said in my lifetime that breaks the PC legislation was in print I'd be in a world of s**t.

[WestStandWillie]

I can't get my head round the Amos situation.

He came with a decent background but has barely featured. When he has played, he's looked so far off it.

Could we be sitting on a decent player needing a run of games?

[Centre Hawf]

I can't get my head round the Amos situation.

He came with a decent background but has barely featured. When he has played, he's looked so far off it.

Could we be sitting on a decent player needing a run of games?

He was someone who I was excited with the prospect of signing when it first was rumoured. Thought he would be the type to just need somewhere to land and get a pre-season in before seeing the best from. But since he's came here I've been underwhelmed by his performances, even this season when I'd have expected him to be back to full fitness.

Perhaps his injury has had lasting damage to his physicality but I don't imagine we'll see him at Hibs beyond his current contract, if he makes it that far.

[B.H.F.C]

I can't get my head round the Amos situation.

He came with a decent background but has barely featured. When he has played, he's looked so far off it.

Could we be sitting on a decent player needing a run of games?

Problem for Amos is that he looks to have struggled to get a decent run of games throughout his career. He’s not played that many games for his age. Signing a player who had been without a club for half a season and had his injury problems was a bad idea in the first place IMO.