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JohnM1875
05-09-2024, 08:48 PM
Nah, it was a poor ball to him from McTominay, McGinn had a a man right on top of him.
Poor keeping from Gunn, saves nothing.
Totally agree and not just because its McGinn. He was surrounded by Polish players. Ridiculous pass from McTominay.
Keeper has to be saving the second pen.
Haymaker
05-09-2024, 08:48 PM
Hanley... what was he thinking. Unbelievable
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hibee-boys
05-09-2024, 08:48 PM
Ryan Gauld touched the ball since he came on? He struggled to get game time in a poor Hibs team🤷🏼😂
cabbageandribs1875
05-09-2024, 08:48 PM
4, 3, 4, 5, 3 goals conceded
i wonder where our problems lie
JohnM1875
05-09-2024, 08:48 PM
Ryan Gauld touched the ball since he came on? He struggled to get game time in a poor Hibs team🤷🏼😂
Gauld was fine. Few nice wee touches and set up a McTominay chance
Mcbizz1998
05-09-2024, 08:49 PM
Hanley has never been international standard. It’s shocking to me he is still getting picked 11 years on from getting bullied at Wembley for Englands winner.
Scotland will do nothing with that donkey playing for them.
JimBHibees
05-09-2024, 08:49 PM
Hanley... what was he thinking. Unbelievable
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Absolutely astounding defending
Hopefully that’s the end of players like Ralston, Hanley and McLean at this level.
McLean is such a poor player, contributes very little, yet must have 40+ caps, it’s a joke he’s in the team when we have much better centre mids (who also started), but we’ve got talented players like doak sitting on the bench. We didn’t need to start with so many centre mids tonight
Green-Hibee-7
05-09-2024, 08:49 PM
Hanley, McLean and Ralston. 3 players that should be nowhere near that team. All 3 with individual errors.
Manager is too arrogant. Has done well to get to two tournaments, but a change is now needed. He simply does not learn and change.
Up-the-slope
05-09-2024, 08:50 PM
As I said at 2-2 regardless of result glad to see us being positive and going for it.
Really should have won or at least a draw - but until we can get chance takers on the pitch then all the good play behind that won't yield reward
JimBHibees
05-09-2024, 08:50 PM
Anyone surprised - Hanley is crap - he’s played once in the last month.
Gunn is also crap in goals.
Until we get better defenders / a better striker and new manager, Scotland will struggle.
Moronic from Hanley
HoboHarry
05-09-2024, 08:51 PM
A draw wouldn't have been a good result at home but losing and conceding two penalties. Dearie me.
Smartie
05-09-2024, 08:52 PM
When you see the Polish player get the ball out on the left with 3 Scottish defenders still in a position to get over and do something about it, it's really inexcusable that it ends up in a position where Hanley decides to make that tackle.
That RCB / RB area for Scotland is just about as bad as the left is for Hibs.
Shame - as we'd actually played really quite well over the piece. You just don't get away with mistakes like that at that level.
hibsbollah
05-09-2024, 08:52 PM
Gauld was fine. Few nice wee touches and set up a McTominay chance
It was a class touch. Hes been doing great in the states.
SaulGoodman
05-09-2024, 08:53 PM
It was a class touch. Hes been doing great in the states.
He’ll fit well into this squad then because it’s a proper state.
basehibby
05-09-2024, 08:53 PM
Shocker of a pen to give away grom Hanley - no need for the challenge.
LunasBoots
05-09-2024, 08:53 PM
Everytime I see Gunn, Hanley and Ralston I always think we can do better.
Viva_Palmeiras
05-09-2024, 08:53 PM
What if there was nothing wrong with the headset - how many times did he need to change the pack 2-3 times - what’s the chances?
Setting the injured players to one side, this Scotland team needs to have Robertson, McGinn, Gilmour, mctominay in it. Every other position is up for grabs.
Hanley, ralston, McLean, etc should be thanked for their service and shown the door
Jim44
05-09-2024, 08:54 PM
Clarke not directly at fault for the stupidity of his players…….. but he picked them, so, looks like his time’s up. That was a must win game. A draw was almost acceptable but in the end it’s curtains.
SteveHFC
05-09-2024, 08:55 PM
Clarke not directly at fault for the stupidity of his players…….. but he picked them, so, looks like his time’s up. That was a must win game. A draw was almost acceptable but in the end it’s curtains.
Can see us finishing bottom of this group.
500miles
05-09-2024, 08:55 PM
Setting the injured players to one side, this Scotland team needs to have Robertson, McGinn, Gilmour, mctominay in it. Every other position is up for grabs.
Hanley, ralston, McLean, etc should be thanked for their service and shown the door
We don't have much better than the players you want to show the door. You can't make signings international football.
JohnM1875
05-09-2024, 08:55 PM
Can see us finishing bottom of this group.
Without a doubt. Just lost our easiest game in the group.
Shocker of a pen to give away grom Hanley - no need for the challenge.
The polish player was heading towards the byline and going out of play, there wasn’t an easy cutback either, just shepherd him out and at worst it’s a corner, Hanley has totally panicked and flung a leg out in desperation
eastterrace
05-09-2024, 08:55 PM
Hanley is and always has been honking got to bin this guy ( should have been done years ago) like you say he is honking.
B.H.F.C
05-09-2024, 08:56 PM
We need to stop playing the likes of Hanley and McLean. Same mistakes over and over again. Get young players in the team and if they make mistakes they will at least have a chance of learning and improving.
Need Hickey back and no Hanley.
Need to get Harvey Barnes in but while Clarke is here he won’t. Newcastle mate says Barnes says he hasn’t been asked.
Bullet Clarke and give to Moyes.
Smartie
05-09-2024, 08:56 PM
Clarke not directly at fault for the stupidity of his players…….. but he picked them, so, looks like his time’s up. That was a must win game. A draw was almost acceptable but in the end it’s curtains.
The team that finished the match was closer to what we need than the one that started the match.
I'm not desperate for Clarke to be replaced... I'm desperate for him to just do something different. Let them off the leash a bit.
Whilst there are some positions he has options in, there are substandard players that Clarke or any successor are just going to have to try to get a tune out of - or find a very creative alternative to.
We don't have much better than the players you want to show the door. You can't make signings international football.
Really? Thanks for the heads up :rolleyes:
There’s a better right back sitting on the bench for starters, and we have several better centre mids than McLean, we didn’t need to shoehorn him into the side when we could have had a more attacking player on the pitch
mayo hibee
05-09-2024, 09:01 PM
Setting the injured players to one side, this Scotland team needs to have Robertson, McGinn, Gilmour, mctominay in it. Every other position is up for grabs.
Hanley, ralston, McLean, etc should be thanked for their service and shown the door
Until Scotland can magic up a couple of decent centre backs from somewhere Hanley won't be going anywhere. He's not there because he's good, he's there because the alternatives are even worse.
K-Zazu
05-09-2024, 09:01 PM
Need Hickey back and no Hanley.
Need to get Harvey Barnes in but while Clarke is here he won’t. Newcastle mate says Barnes says he hasn’t been asked.
Bullet Clarke and give to Moyes.
Hickey ruled out for the rest of the season, shame for him.
easty
05-09-2024, 09:03 PM
Need Hickey back and no Hanley.
Need to get Harvey Barnes in but while Clarke is here he won’t. Newcastle mate says Barnes says he hasn’t been asked.
Bullet Clarke and give to Moyes.
**** Harvey Barnes.
I don’t believe for a second that he’s no been sounded out. He’s no Scottish and he’s no arsed. I’d rather we stayed rubbish than went begging a second rate English guy to play for us.
Until Scotland can magic up a couple of decent centre backs from somewhere Hanley won't be going anywhere. He's not there because he's good, he's there because the alternatives are even worse.
It’s frustrating when porteous is on the bench, I’m assuming jack Hendry is injured, who isn’t great but better than Hanley
I’d have started porteous, max Johnston and possibly doak in place of ralston, Hanley and McLean.
McLean isn’t as good as McGinn, mctominay or Gilmour. Those should be the middle three, with Christie and doak supporting dykes
HoboHarry
05-09-2024, 09:11 PM
Until Scotland can magic up a couple of decent centre backs from somewhere Hanley won't be going anywhere. He's not there because he's good, he's there because the alternatives are even worse.
Porteous, Hendry and Souttar aren't world beaters by any stretch but all are superior options to Hanley.
Hiber-nation
05-09-2024, 09:13 PM
Bar one or two individuals Poland were dreadful. How can we lose that? Hanley's challenge was incredible really, even worse than Obita's on Sunday and that's saying something.
Even if we do play the youngsters we've still got a massive problem in goals. Gunn saves nothing and has no competition.
JohnM1875
05-09-2024, 09:13 PM
Porteous, Hendry and Souttar aren't world beaters by any stretch but all are superior options to Hanley.
Spot on.
mayo hibee
05-09-2024, 09:15 PM
It’s frustrating when porteous is on the bench, I’m assuming jack Hendry is injured, who isn’t great but better than Hanley
I’d have started porteous, max Johnston and possibly doak in place of ralston, Hanley and McLean.
McLean isn’t as good as McGinn, mctominay or Gilmour. Those should be the middle three, with Christie and doak supporting dykes
Honestly think Hanley, Cooper, Porteous, Souttar, Hendry are all much of a muchness. McKenna is barely any better, if at all. Defence (outside of left back) is what has held Scotland back for the last five years and there's not much sign of things changing. Clarke's time in charge is probably coming to an end but the next guy will inherit the same problem.
Sylar
05-09-2024, 09:16 PM
Isn't Porteous still suspended? Wasn't he a 3 game ban for his straight red?
HoboHarry
05-09-2024, 09:18 PM
Isn't Porteous still suspended? Wasn't he a 3 game ban for his straight red?
He was on the bench today no?
Honestly think Hanley, Cooper, Porteous, Souttar, Hendry are all much of a muchness. McKenna is barely any better, if at all. Defence (outside of left back) is what has held Scotland back for the last five years and there's not much sign of things changing. Clarke's time in charge is probably coming to an end but the next guy will inherit the same problem.
It feels like this squad is approaching a natural end of cycle, and we will hopefully see a few younger players like porteous, doak, Morgan possibly, become regular starters/mainstays.
We do need to find another keeper, a couple of better centre backs (and try to keep tierney fit), get our 2 right backs fit, and hopefully a left sided winger/forward and another striker, perhaps Bowie or Conway can force their way in there.
I’d like to see doig getting blooded as Robertson eventual successor, although he’s probably got a couple of years left in him yet.
With the right coaching and approach, I think we have a decent core of a squad there, Gilmour, mcginn and mctominay are all reasonably young, with a few decent additions/injury returns we can be pretty good I think
He was on the bench today no?
2 game suspension, so missed the last 2 matches at the euros, now available
**** Harvey Barnes.
I don’t believe for a second that he’s no been sounded out. He’s no Scottish and he’s no arsed. I’d rather we stayed rubbish than went begging a second rate English guy to play for us.
Tell us what you really think! Barnes is a £50m striker playing in the premier league in England. But you stick to Dykes and an overweight Shankland. Good luck.
Sylar
05-09-2024, 09:24 PM
He was on the bench today no?
2 game suspension, so missed the last 2 matches at the euros, now available
Apologies, I had 3 in mind.
Apologies, I had 3 in mind.
Nothing to apologise for mate, we’ve all been there, I thought Murray Johnston was on the bench for most of the first half :faf:
andrew70
05-09-2024, 09:45 PM
Lewis Mayo should be in the Scotland squad ahead of Hanley and can also play RB. Porteous or Souttar should start.
B.H.F.C
05-09-2024, 09:51 PM
Hamley has just had his time. He’s nearly 33 and not getting a game for Norwich. I know we’re not exactly blessed with centre halves but the others there are younger, have time to improve and persisting with the same thing is just stupidity IMO.
1875Sean
05-09-2024, 09:57 PM
Tell us what you really think! Barnes is a £50m striker playing in the premier league in England. But you stick to Dykes and an overweight Shankland. Good luck.
He is a left winger not a striker, completely different player to Dykes
truehibernian
06-09-2024, 12:01 AM
No international class centre halves, no international class strikers - until that’s remedied and youth players are identified and properly coached, it ain’t changing. The academies across the country don’t focus on positions enough - it’s why we are now selecting players who are so far off this level it’s depressing. Hanley, Hendry, Porteous, et al are nowhere near this level, and as for Dykes, Shankland and Adams - please 🥲 Scotland played well against a very uninspiring Poland but were undone because we’ve zero quality up top and centrally at the back. Top teams have good strikers and good centre halves - it’s been 30 years since we’ve had that and that’s a terrible indictment on coaching and academies in this country.
cabbageandribs1875
06-09-2024, 12:05 AM
San Marino win their first ever competitive game in a 1-0 win v Liechtenstein
babahibs
06-09-2024, 05:12 AM
No international class centre halves, no international class strikers - until that’s remedied and youth players are identified and properly coached, it ain’t changing. The academies across the country don’t focus on positions enough - it’s why we are now selecting players who are so far off this level it’s depressing. Hanley, Hendry, Porteous, et al are nowhere near this level, and as for Dykes, Shankland and Adams - please 🥲 Scotland played well against a very uninspiring Poland but were undone because we’ve zero quality up top and centrally at the back. Top teams have good strikers and good centre halves - it’s been 30 years since we’ve had that and that’s a terrible indictment on coaching and academies in this country.
You can add goalkeeper to that. When the striker, centre half and goalie aren't good enough, you've got no chance at this level.
SickBoy32
06-09-2024, 05:35 AM
It’s one thing interrupting the season proper for international qualifiers, quite another for this farcical Nations League.
Sooner this non-event is shelved the better, and we can get back to the proper stuff 👍
SickBoy32
06-09-2024, 05:36 AM
**** Harvey Barnes.
I don’t believe for a second that he’s no been sounded out. He’s no Scottish and he’s no arsed. I’d rather we stayed rubbish than went begging a second rate English guy to play for us.
Too late. Squads littered with folk of that profile already and we’re still ***** 😂
MWHIBBIES
06-09-2024, 05:43 AM
It’s one thing interrupting the season proper for international qualifiers, quite another for this farcical Nations League.
Sooner this non-event is shelved the better, and we can get back to the proper stuff 👍
What is farcical about it?
Trinity Hibee
06-09-2024, 05:45 AM
It’s one thing interrupting the season proper for international qualifiers, quite another for this farcical Nations League.
Sooner this non-event is shelved the better, and we can get back to the proper stuff 👍
Disagree, this is a worthwhile tournament and has been an excellent replacement for pointless friendlies. It keeps teams in with a chance of qualifying for major tournaments.
mayo hibee
06-09-2024, 05:46 AM
The striker/centre back/goalkeeper issue isn't unique to Scotland. It's happening in a lot of countries that have gone down the academy route.
Basically these academics are just producing the same kind of player over and over again - technically strong footballers who can pass and move all day. But they all become full backs, wingers and centre mids because those are the traits you want from players in those positions.
The more "specialist" positions - goalkeeper, centre back and striker - aren't near as well catered for by the academies, so there's a shortage of them about. Throw in the reality that the average Scottish man is short by European standards, and the general need for keepers and centre backs to be at least 6 foot 1 and it becomes a constant problem.
SickBoy32
06-09-2024, 05:49 AM
What is farcical about it?
We’re 4 games into our league season, and play is halted for this guff 😂
Aware folk may like it due to Scotland previously sneaking into a major tournament via the Nations League.
But tournaments are now so inflated that if you canny make it in via traditional qualifiers, you really shouldn’t be there IMO…
Get this non-tourny in the bin.
Trinity Hibee
06-09-2024, 05:49 AM
The striker/centre back/goalkeeper issue isn't unique to Scotland. It's happening in a lot of countries that have gone down the academy route.
Basically these academics are just producing the same kind of player over and over again - technically strong footballers who can pass and move all day. But they all become full backs, wingers and centre mids because those are the traits you want from players in those positions.
The more "specialist" positions - goalkeeper, centre back and striker - aren't near as well catered for by the academies, so there's a shortage of them about. Throw in the reality that the average Scottish man is short by European standards, and the general need for keepers and centre backs to be at least 6 foot 1 and it becomes a constant problem.
Agree with a lot of this. We don’t have the same number of top forwards in football as 15-20 years ago.
Pep’s Barca team were a great watch because they had balance but since everyone has tried to copy them it’s changed the entire game but not for the better I’d say. Football lacks creativity and individual brilliance now. It’s all very robotic and too tactical
Trinity Hibee
06-09-2024, 05:50 AM
We’re 4 games into our league season, and play is halted for this guff 😂
Aware folk may like it due to Scotland previously sneaking into a major tournament via the Nations League.
But tournaments are now so inflated that if you canny make it in via traditional qualifiers, you really shouldn’t be there IMO…
Get this non-tourny in the bin.
If we didn’t have this though we’d have pointless friendlies.
SickBoy32
06-09-2024, 05:51 AM
If we didn’t have this though we’d have pointless friendlies.
Bin them anaw
MWHIBBIES
06-09-2024, 06:01 AM
We’re 4 games into our league season, and play is halted for this guff 😂
Aware folk may like it due to Scotland previously sneaking into a major tournament via the Nations League.
But tournaments are now so inflated that if you canny make it in via traditional qualifiers, you really shouldn’t be there IMO…
Get this non-tourny in the bin.
The 3 international breaks before Christmas were happening before the nations league.
It's essentially just another way to qualify and gives smaller nations a chance. Georgia qualified to the euros via the nations league and were great to watch. They thoroughly deserved to be there.
I dislike international breaks as much as anyone but they are required.
KeithTheHibby
06-09-2024, 06:11 AM
The team that finished the match was closer to what we need than the one that started the match.
I'm not desperate for Clarke to be replaced... I'm desperate for him to just do something different. Let them off the leash a bit.
Whilst there are some positions he has options in, there are substandard players that Clarke or any successor are just going to have to try to get a tune out of - or find a very creative alternative to.
He won’t let that team off the leash though and that will be his downfall. He’s not learning anything with that squad by continually playing the same way regardless of opposition.
Since90+2
06-09-2024, 06:33 AM
I think Scotland have had their 5 minutes of fame. We don't have nearly good enough players in a number of positions (goalkeeper, centre halfs, wing and centre forward) to continue making I to major tournaments.
Id be surprised if they make the next world cup.
He's here!
06-09-2024, 07:12 AM
If we didn’t have this though we’d have pointless friendlies.
Clarke will presumably be grateful for friendlies as the pre-Euros bounce game against Gibraltar is his only win in 13 games. He's fortunate the Gordons aren't in charge of Scotland or he'd surely be on a shoogly peg.
Jones28
06-09-2024, 07:12 AM
The striker/centre back/goalkeeper issue isn't unique to Scotland. It's happening in a lot of countries that have gone down the academy route.
Basically these academics are just producing the same kind of player over and over again - technically strong footballers who can pass and move all day. But they all become full backs, wingers and centre mids because those are the traits you want from players in those positions.
The more "specialist" positions - goalkeeper, centre back and striker - aren't near as well catered for by the academies, so there's a shortage of them about. Throw in the reality that the average Scottish man is short by European standards, and the general need for keepers and centre backs to be at least 6 foot 1 and it becomes a constant problem.
Thats a really interesting point I'd never really considered before.
Maybe the academy structure weeds out the maverick-type players you really want in those positions - goalkeepers and strikers in particular.
JimBHibees
06-09-2024, 07:25 AM
It was a class touch. Hes been doing great in the states.
Thought Gauld looked good.
theonlywayisup
06-09-2024, 07:28 AM
You can add goalkeeper to that. When the striker, centre half and goalie aren't good enough, you've got no chance at this level.
My experience of boys football was the coaches focus on playing the bigger lads as they were stronger than the wee lads, so greater chance of winning games. The fact that the smaller boys had more skills was overlooked.
Great for the bigger lads scoring lots of goals, but not if they were not developing other skills.
It's no surprise to me that it's in the positions where these bigger lads would have developed into are the positions we've struggled at for 2-3 decades now.
We need to move the emphasis from winning trophies at boys football to developing base skills.
Cabbage-Patch
06-09-2024, 08:01 AM
Well I've slept on it and my honest assessment of last night's game is in reality I think we played quite well against let's be honest a poor Poland side. Both them and us will be lucky to get another point in the group. We likely won't get any.
Aside from our midfield the squad is brutal. We have a good stock of CMs but I think that actually hampers us as Clarke to accommodate them all into the team plays a very narrow formation which dosent work.
The 1st Polish goal was a great strike and not much could be done about it tbh. The second and third goals were ridiculous challenges by two players who should know better. If you lunge in inside the box you just invite the opposition player to go down. What Hanley was thinking I've no idea.
I think it's time for Clarke to go. He's taken this team as far as they can go and we are actually going backwards. 1 win in 13 (Gibraltar) is a horrific record that most managers would be long gone by now. If he is to stay on for the rest of the Nations League which he likely will then last night needs to be a wake up that the "old favourites" are no longer good enough. Hanley and McLean can't get a game for a poor Norwich team so have no business starting international games. Same goes for Dykes however our lack of options up top is dreadful so hes sadly best we had to offer. Dont think the mighty Shankland even touched the ball when he came on.
I'm struggling to think of another example of an away team playing so poorly and scoring three goals and winning a game. Poland will likely be feeling incredibly fortunate this morning. We gifted them the 3 points
We had a bench full of young hungry players and it's time for them to get an opportunity.
Cooshed Kid
06-09-2024, 08:02 AM
Stating the painfully bloody obvious, in our game with Killie we started one player who could potentially play for Scotland. Rudi.
As long as Scottish players are on the verge of extinction in our own Premiership, what can we expect when we try to put together a side to compete internationally? The very idea is ridiculous.
JimBHibees
06-09-2024, 08:03 AM
Thought Scotland played pretty well last night and probably should have won though think Poland had a couple of gears they were very poor defensively. Absolutely criminal defending by Hanley and Dykes has to score the chance in the first half. McTominay was very good though a little greedy on a couple of occasions.
Hillsidehibby
06-09-2024, 08:09 AM
I think we would have won that game if Tierney, Hickey and Porteous were playing.
He's here!
06-09-2024, 08:11 AM
I think Scotland have had their 5 minutes of fame. We don't have nearly good enough players in a number of positions (goalkeeper, centre halfs, wing and centre forward) to continue making I to major tournaments.
Id be surprised if they make the next world cup.
I've felt for years that a UK league is the way forward. It's the only way to lift the standard of the Scottish game. The only half decent players in the Scotland team all play in England as it is.
Cabbage-Patch
06-09-2024, 08:14 AM
Stating the painfully bloody obvious, in our game with Killie we started one player who could potentially play for Scotland. Rudi.
As long as Scottish players are on the verge of extinction in our own Premiership, what can we expect when we try to put together a side to compete internationally? The very idea is ridiculous.
Totally agree. Hibs are actually one of the worst culprits in the league in terms of numbers of starting Scots. It's hardly served us well has it? Look back to 2016 the Cup winning side was made up pretty much all home grown Scottish players
Donegal Hibby
06-09-2024, 08:14 AM
He is a left winger not a striker, completely different player to Dykes
He is LW who can play a couple of positions and he is a different player to Dykes , certainly not a second rate player though.
overdrive
06-09-2024, 08:15 AM
It really showed the difference where Poland has a world class striker playing but we had an English League 1 striker playing up front. I thought we were the better team for large spells but the defence and up front lets us down badly.
I was impressed with Doak and Gauld when they came on.
Bristolhibby
06-09-2024, 08:42 AM
It really showed the difference where Poland has a world class striker playing but we had an English League 1 striker playing up front. I thought we were the better team for large spells but the defence and up front lets us down badly.
I was impressed with Doak and Gauld when they came on.
Aye, Doak especially. They had to triple man him at one point.
Two stupid lunges aside we’d have won that game. As has been said we played well.
Poland are poor. But they took chances.
Fear for Sunday mind. That said, looking forward to some sunny weather.
J
GreenCastle
06-09-2024, 08:56 AM
Stating the painfully bloody obvious, in our game with Killie we started one player who could potentially play for Scotland. Rudi.
As long as Scottish players are on the verge of extinction in our own Premiership, what can we expect when we try to put together a side to compete internationally? The very idea is ridiculous.
Even Celtic with their dominance rarely start any youth academy players.
They would rather go out and buy new ready made players.
Every time Scotland lose there are the some discussions.
Sadly so many factors still an issue with why Scotland national team is pretty average.
The Euros showed how far off Scotland were and with a low risk manager that’s what you get also.
Nothing much has changed since a few months ago.
Ask any fan to predict future Scotland lineups next year or 2 and still massive gaps / lack of depth in keys positions.
Chances are Scotland will lose next 5 games in a row.
Centre Hawf
06-09-2024, 08:59 AM
It’s one thing interrupting the season proper for international qualifiers, quite another for this farcical Nations League.
Sooner this non-event is shelved the better, and we can get back to the proper stuff 👍
I've felt the nations league has been one of the best changes to international football for teams of our level. Meaningful fixtures over meaningless friendlies and more chances to get to the playoffs/tournaments.
eastmainsmsh
06-09-2024, 09:03 AM
Be better with Judith Ralston
Bristolhibby
06-09-2024, 09:14 AM
I've felt the nations league has been one of the best changes to international football for teams of our level. Meaningful fixtures over meaningless friendlies and more chances to get to the playoffs/tournaments.
Agree, sadly I think we have ended up in pot A and are going to get blown away by decent teams.
Back to Pot B next and some winnable games and a chance of a playoff.
J
Effectively the team that failed at the Euros so the result wasn't unexpected.
Bishop Hibee
06-09-2024, 11:06 AM
We’ve got a great midfield, great left back and then we have honest pros who struggle at times at the top level. I was at the game and we were very positive and played well. Can’t blame Clark for the defeat as he got it right tactically. After Obita’s error it was painful to see two similar defensive calamities a few days later.
It’s going to be a long 90 minutes v Portugal.
Centre Hawf
06-09-2024, 11:38 AM
Agree, sadly I think we have ended up in pot A and are going to get blown away by decent teams.
Back to Pot B next and some winnable games and a chance of a playoff.
J
I think there's truth to that sadly. But at the same time the teams we've got to play in this group we have are all teams you would likely come up against to get out a Euros group, so we need to use this as a chance to go be a bit braver on the ball in these types of fixtures. I think there's still a mentality issue that we're a bit alien to the top stage of international football because we've actually played some great stuff under Clarke in qualifying/nations leagues against some decent oppositions. We just haven't translated that when we get to the tournaments. If we can break through that barrier to be brave and go knock the ball about a bit more like we have done against the likes of Denmark/Norway/Spain/Ukraine in that last two years then I think we can make another step forward.
That said we are, despite what some would have you believe, massively hampered by the lack of any real depth. One or two injuries in certain areas of the park and we're resorting to guys who you'd begin to question if they were even good enough for a Hibs team. Not much Clarke can do about that.
Blaster
06-09-2024, 12:05 PM
I think a reality check is needed. Folk forget how poor we’ve been for 20 years prior to Clarke.
We played well last night and deserved at least a draw. 2 bad defensive errors but particularly the 2nd penalty is very poor decision making. Never been a Hanley fan and surprised he decided to continue.
We are in Pot A which is above where we should be so remaining games will be a struggle. And we will always have different opinions about certain players but the reality is there’s no top quality players that aren’t being picked in the squad.
Hopefully over the next 5 games players like Doak, Gauld, Morgan and Barron get some decent minutes ready for the World Cup qualifiers.
I was at the game and there was a ridiculous amount of Polish fans in the Scotland end. Surprised there wasn’t more clashes than the one or two being reported.
Donegal Hibby
06-09-2024, 01:07 PM
Why has Barron been given a call up ? , watched a few hun games and generally thought he was poor in them .
B.H.F.C
06-09-2024, 01:10 PM
I think a reality check is needed. Folk forget how poor we’ve been for 20 years prior to Clarke.
We played well last night and deserved at least a draw. 2 bad defensive errors but particularly the 2nd penalty is very poor decision making. Never been a Hanley fan and surprised he decided to continue.
We are in Pot A which is above where we should be so remaining games will be a struggle. And we will always have different opinions about certain players but the reality is there’s no top quality players that aren’t being picked in the squad.
Hopefully over the next 5 games players like Doak, Gauld, Morgan and Barron get some decent minutes ready for the World Cup qualifiers.
I was at the game and there was a ridiculous amount of Polish fans in the Scotland end. Surprised there wasn’t more clashes than the one or two being reported.
The second last paragraph is the most important bit. Is Clarke going to blood new players or will he continue with some of the older ones who have had their chance, had their time and that we just need to move on from. Clarke being Clarke I think he’ll continue to do a lot of the same things. I know we’ve played some good teams along the way but 1 win in 13 (and there is every chance it’ll soon be 1 in 18) then I don’t see how we continue with him, even if he’s done some good work previously.
Since90+2
06-09-2024, 01:46 PM
Why has Barron been given a call up ? , watched a few hun games and generally thought he was poor in them .
Think he's been one of their best players when I've seen him to be honest.
I dislike Sevco as much as anyone, but Barron seems like a good young player so no real issue with him being in the squad.
Centre Hawf
06-09-2024, 01:48 PM
Why has Barron been given a call up ? , watched a few hun games and generally thought he was poor in them .
I think he's been decent for them, but at the same time Rangers have been average/poor I'm not sure he's been any better than he has been than when he was at Aberdeen. Not going to complain too much as I think he's got the potential to be a great asset for the side but it's another example of the limelight existing in Glasgow better than elsewhere.
1875Sean
06-09-2024, 02:06 PM
He is LW who can play a couple of positions and he is a different player to Dykes , certainly not a second rate player though.
Never called him a second rate player, he isn’t a striker tho so if he did come into the squad he isn’t going to play there
The Harp Awakes
06-09-2024, 02:11 PM
Effectively the team that failed at the Euros so the result wasn't unexpected.
Been a SC fan up until the Euros, but since then I think he's been putting massive pressure on himself with his team selection and tactics.
The way he set up in the Euros was way too cagey and judging by last night's starting line up he hasn't learned his lesson. Playing Dykes up front on his own means minimal shots on target and likely zero goals. Things improved last night when he changed players and the set up.
Kenny McLean and Grant Hanley are never starters at that level and there were better choices on the bench. I also think McCrorie is a much better option at right back than Ralson.
SC's stubbornness to change is going to cost him his job.
Donegal Hibby
06-09-2024, 02:50 PM
Never called him a second rate player, he isn’t a striker tho so if he did come into the squad he isn’t going to play there
No you didn’t right enough , that’s true in he isn’t a striker . He’s LW who’s got pace and gets a few goals which would be invaluable to Scotland especially considering the option they have upfront at this time.
ekhibee
06-09-2024, 02:51 PM
Can't make excuses for poor decision making by Hanley and Ralston, it was really poor. But although I don't think Gunn is a really poor keeper, I'm not sure that he really gives the defenders much confidence in him. At this level it's particularly important IMO.
Hiber-nation
06-09-2024, 03:36 PM
Been a SC fan up until the Euros, but since then I think he's been putting massive pressure on himself with his team selection and tactics.
The way he set up in the Euros was way too cagey and judging by last night's starting line up he hasn't learned his lesson. Playing Dykes up front on his own means minimal shots on target and likely zero goals. Things improved last night when he changed players and the set up.
Kenny McLean and Grant Hanley are never starters at that level and there were better choices on the bench. I also think McCrorie is a much better option at right back than Ralson.
SC's stubbornness to change is going to cost him his job.
McCrorie is injured.
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