Levitt & Amos (and the others)

[KWJ]

With the no plan b talk on McCowan I do wonder if part of it is that we've already got 2 players that have promise and need to be given a chance.

I want to see more of Levitt in the team, especially playing in front of Kwon and or Triantis. Same with Amos, I still don't know what type of midfielder he is but we're never going to find out when he's just getting the odd run out here and there. His contract runs to the end of the season, I'd like to find out if he's good enough for the first XI before we just let it run out and another club finds out.

Campbell will stick around as Gray likes him and he has something a bit different.

Got to assume Kenneh, JDH, McKirdy and even NMW are unlikely to play much if at all this season. This is obviously a bit of a waste but I don't think they can add much to the team given the quality that we hopefully have in it. Levitt was signed for good money on a good wage and has shown glimpses at Hibs and much more than that previously at Utd. Amos has pedigree and has always looked fine if unremarkable in his appearances. I assume he's on a decent wage too.

[CMac1988]

I'd be happy if when given the chance one of them would do enough to justify more opportunities but how long do we need to wait until they turn good?
Levitt has a keen eye and decent range of passing, the rest of his game however is miles away from where it needs to be. Far too passive for this league and that's not changed since he's been here so doubt it ever will.
Amos is just there when he plays. That's it. Honestly can't think of anything else to say.
Kenneh is too slow, JDH crocked. Nothing more too add.
McKirdy tries but nothing ever comes off for him. Add his health issues and it's difficult to see him getting more chances.
NMW looked great when he first came in but he hasn't kicked on and it may have been a case of too much too soon. He's the only that that will be given more time to develop out of the the bunch.
Campbell will flit in and out as needed.
Newell despite a poor start to the season came onto a game with the Triantis and Kwon on Sunday after a scrappy start. Give them time to gel and see where we go from there. We chop and change too much and I don't think any of the others are better than those 3.

[Cocaine&Caviar]

Far too soon to be ruling out Moriah-Welsh, still only 22

[Since452]

I think Amos will be offloaded in January. Wouldn't surprise me if we tried to get him out on loan last month. Been really disappointed with him. Levitt, I think, still has a part to play.

[Smartie]

I have to say, with the deadline day arrival of Triantis and the departures of Delferriere and Jair, it felt like the likes of Amos and Levitt slid further into the non-playing players category that Delf and Jair previously held and that a few of our squad now occupy.

[Jones28]

Two signings I've been very disappointed with. Can't believe for all the fanfare he was signed with Levitt is now, what, 5th or 6th in the pecking order? **** knows where Amos is in their but it ain't higher than Levitt.

We could still be in the market for a creative type midfielder and push them both even further down the ladder.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Levitt and Amos are the mysteries here.

Levitt has been in Welsh Euros and world cup qualifying squads, fans player of the year at Dundee United in a season where they made Europe, but has failed miserably to make a dent at Hibs. Came here with experience of the Scottish premiership, so bedding into the style of the league shouldn't have been a problem, but failed miserably to force his way into a midfield generally accepted as at best average bordering on poor.
Only been here a year of a three year contract, but so far looking like a massive waste of 300K, we have already been prepared to cut our losses on two players who cost more than him and that can't be far from the club's thinking given his utter failure to make a dent.

Amos has 89 appearances in the EFL Championship for QPR and has loads of experience in age group international football for England. He is only 27 so should be at the height of his powers ..... When he does get a game he looks like someone we took a punt on from the Scottish championship not the English one... had a bad injury at QPR and you have to wonder if he has ever fully recovered.

Campbell and Newell aren't in the conversation for me, but if Trantis and Kwon continue to impress I can see Campbell being more and more a useful sub, he has a goal in him and came a baw hair away from scoring against Dundee, so worth having from that POV.

The rest with the possible exception of NMW are far closer to the exit door than a place in the first team.

[Smartie]

Levitt and Amos are the mysteries here.

Levitt has been in Welsh Euros and world cup qualifying squads, fans player of the year at Dundee United in a season where they made Europe, but has failed miserably to make a dent at Hibs. Came here with experience of the Scottish premiership, so bedding into the style of the league shouldn't have been a problem, but failed miserably to force his way into a midfield generally accepted as at best average bordering on poor.
Only been here a year of a three year contract, but so far looking like a massive waste of 300K, we have already been prepared to cut our losses on two players who cost more than him and that can't be far from the club's thinking given his utter failure to make a dent.

Amos has 89 appearances in the EFL Championship for QPR and has loads of experience in age group international football for England. He is only 27 so should be at the height of his powers ..... When he does get a game he looks like someone we took a punt on from the Scottish championship not the English one... had a bad injury at QPR and you have to wonder if he has ever fully recovered.

Campbell and Newell aren't in the conversation for me, but if Trantis and Kwon continue to impress I can see Campbell being more and more a useful sub, he has a goal in him and came a baw hair away from scoring against Dundee, so worth having from that POV.

The rest with the possible exception of NMW are far closer to the exit door than a place in the first team.

I think Levitt and Amos' struggles maybe highlight the importance of certain physical attributes to be able to cope in this league.

Amos may have lost his through injury, Levitt may simply never have fully had it to play adult football at a great level here.

Levitt may turn out to be a bit Ryan Gauld - there being environments and styles of football where he can thrive, others where he might struggle.

If I were Levitt I'd be pushing to get a move to somewhere like a lower Portuguese league. He's still got "fairly recent Man U player" and Welsh squads on his cv. I'm sure he could get his agent to spin a story that he needs out of the Scottish league to go somewhere his talents are more likely to be appreciated and tbh I don't think that would be too far off the mark.

[worcesterhibby]

Neither NMW or Amos have really had a decent run in the team. We seem to expect players to just seamlessly play at their best in a team that has been struggling and that they have been constantly in and out of, with virtually no continuity.

The best thing that could happen for both ( and probably Levitt as well) is that Kwon, Newell and Triantis form the basis of a consistent and successful midfield in the coming weeks with Rudi, Nicky Cadden, NMW, Amos, Campbell and Levitt all getting opportunities either from the start or from the bench to prove who really deserves a starting place. Whoever does well might be worth keeping, whoever fails to make an impression can go in January.

I have to say that the early indications are that Kwon and Triantis together will make us much stronger, and Joe Newell looked better with them in the team, which means the one extra midfielder will have a much better platform to perform.

who knows, if we pick up Marcondes, or similar as a free agent, then Joe may be also on the list of players hoping to grab the last spot in a four man midfield.

[CapitalGreen]

I think Levitt and Amos' struggles maybe highlight the importance of certain physical attributes to be able to cope in this league.

Amos may have lost his through injury, Levitt may simply never have fully had it to play adult football at a great level here.

Levitt may turn out to be a bit Ryan Gauld - there being environments and styles of football where he can thrive, others where he might struggle.

If I were Levitt I'd be pushing to get a move to somewhere like a lower Portuguese league. He's still got "fairly recent Man U player" and Welsh squads on his cv. I'm sure he could get his agent to spin a story that he needs out of the Scottish league to go somewhere his talents are more likely to be appreciated and tbh I don't think that would be too far off the mark.

Levitt won Player of the Year in a team that finished 4th more recently than we have. The key for him in that season was a solid defensive midfielder (Jeandro Fuchs) alongside him. Fuchs left and was never replaced which saw Dun Utd and Levitt struggle massively. He’s not a defensive midfielder but that’s how he’s been used since he’s been at Hibs - even when paired with Newell he’s been expected to be the more defensive of the pair while Newell was playmaker.

[Heisenberg]

I’d like to see Levitt with Kwon and Triantis in midfield but don’t think it’ll happen unless Newell gets injured.

[worcesterhibby]

I’d like to see Levitt with Kwon and Triantis in midfield but don’t think it’ll happen unless Newell gets injured.

maybe we should invite Lee Johnson back for a kick about in training :greengrin

[K-Zazu]

What about Kenneh as well? What’s he going to be doing the next 6 months if he can’t even get in the match day squad.

[McGruber]

I’d like to see Levitt with Kwon and Triantis in midfield but don’t think it’ll happen unless Newell gets injured.

Yeah, Levitt has been a massive disappointment because of the ability he clearly has. Big part of the problem is the midfield combinations and style not suiting him. I think however him ahead of Kwon and Triantis, 2 athletic boys that cover a lot of ground, could well be the exact mix he'd thrive in.

[Kato]

Yeah, Levitt has been a massive disappointment because of the ability he clearly has. Big part of the problem is the midfield combinations and style not suiting him. I think however him ahead of Kwon and Triantis, 2 athletic boys that cover a lot of ground, could well be the exact mix he'd thrive in.All about finding a blend. Much of that can be luck. We haven't had a good blend in midfield for a seasons (in case anyone hasn't noticed [emoji52]. )

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[Tambo]

I'm sure levitt will get a couple more chances before the end the year, maybe might want a move himself come January if still stuck on the bench.

I was expecting to see a little bit of quality from Amos when he's been on the pitch, looking like another waste of a signing.

[gbhibby]

Yeah, Levitt has been a massive disappointment because of the ability he clearly has. Big part of the problem is the midfield combinations and style not suiting him. I think however him ahead of Kwon and Triantis, 2 athletic boys that cover a lot of ground, could well be the exact mix he'd thrive in.
Agree but Levitt needs to up his workrate as well.

[Mcbizz1998]

I still have a sliver of hope for Levitt and NMW but Amos looks completely powderpuff. Can’t see him cutting it in Scotland.

[blackpoolhibs]

Midfielders who cant get about the pitch wont work in our game, both cant do the hard yards when needed.

[Craig_HFC]

NMW runs about lots but so far hasn’t shown anything like nearly enough quality on the ball. I didn’t get the hype with him when some people were raving about him when he first came.

Levitt clearly has lots of technical ability but can’t get about the pitch well enough, no coincidence that the year he got POTY at Dundee Utd he was playing alongside Jeando Fuchs who looked like he could run a half-marathon after a game.

Kenneh can tackle but looks extremely one paced and positionally he’s not great. That’s from memory though because I couldn’t tell you the last time I seen him play!

Amos hasn’t played enough but doesn’t seem like he’s in the plans. Whether or not it’s a fitness issue; I’m not sure, but he’s looked well off it.

If I hadn’t seen JDH in Costco a couple months ago and then again in Tesco in Musselburgh a couple of weeks ago I’d have struggled to believe he actually existed and wasn’t some elaborate accounting trick to launder money through the club or something.

[gbhibby]

JDH when he came into the club looked the real deal, reminded me of Dylan McG. He seems to have the same bad luck with injuries?

Don't write him off yet.

[Donegal Hibby]

Campbell is better than both . Good Hibby too :thumbsup:

[Winston Ingram]

Far too soon to be ruling out Moriah-Welsh, still only 22

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[MWHIBBIES]

JDH when he came into the club looked the real deal, reminded me of Dylan McG. He seems to have the same bad luck with injuries?

Don't write him off yet.

He's played 68 games for Hibs. I think he'd have shown it by now.

[JimBHibees]

What about Kenneh as well? What’s he going to be doing the next 6 months if he can’t even get in the match day squad.

Amazing decision assuming by himself not to leave the club either perm or loan.

[hibsbollah]

NMW runs about lots but so far hasn’t shown anything like nearly enough quality on the ball. I didn’t get the hype with him when some people were raving about him when he first came.

Levitt clearly has lots of technical ability but can’t get about the pitch well enough, no coincidence that the year he got POTY at Dundee Utd he was playing alongside Jeando Fuchs who looked like he could run a half-marathon after a game.

Kenneh can tackle but looks extremely one paced and positionally he’s not great. That’s from memory though because I couldn’t tell you the last time I seen him play!

Amos hasn’t played enough but doesn’t seem like he’s in the plans. Whether or not it’s a fitness issue; I’m not sure, but he’s looked well off it.

If I hadn’t seen JDH in Costco a couple months ago and then again in Tesco in Musselburgh a couple of weeks ago I’d have struggled to believe he actually existed and wasn’t some elaborate accounting trick to launder money through the club or something.

His trolley wasnt full of wine was it? If he’s signed up for Joe Newell’s wine and cheese evenings i swear i’ll do time :grr:

[worcesterhibby]

His trolley wasnt full of wine was it? If he’s signed up for Joe Newell’s wine and cheese evenings i swear i’ll do time :grr:

Joe is unlikely to allow someone to attend his fine foods soirée when they shop at Costco. He’s very much a Valvola & Crolla man. :greengrin

[BILLYHIBS]

Luke Amos comes with a decent pedigree but I haven’t really seen anything from him to give me any confidence that he is going to make it at Hibs needs to do more and seize the moment we all want Hibs players to do well

Only two starts in 14 appearances all mostly forgettable the disaster at Kelty and a cup win up at the capital of the highlands when he was hooked at half time at 0-0 for ironically Dylan Levitt who helped us to a 3-1 away Scottish cup win

Not given up on Dylan Levitt just yet needs to be braver on the ball and work harder on winning possession back and tracking back

He has natural ability and would be interested to see him playing in a four with Newell Kwon and Triantis to see if there is any improvement from the protection and freedom they would provide

Strange one on JDH seems to have fallen totally out of the picture ?

[KWJ]

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Think he's got a lot of heart and engine but not much else. Campbell at least has that knack of getting in the box at the right time.

Would like to be wrong. Surprised we weren't able to loan him and some of the others mentioned out for the season.

There's simply too many players there.

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/players/lukeamos

Great pass and shoot rate on Amos :greengrin How long have the official site been doing this? Should we think it's accurate...

[KWJ]

Not given up on Dylan Levitt just yet needs to be braver on the ball and work harder on winning possession back and tracking back

He has natural ability and would be interested to see him playing in a four with Newell Kwon and Triantis to see if there is any improvement from the protection and freedom they would provide



With Levitt we very rarely seem to play to his strengths. He probably isn't suited to Killie away but there's plenty games where he is and we don't need a battling midfield of Triantis/Kwon/Newell and could swap at least one of them out with a guy who is more accustomed to scoring and setting up goals, which we are not blessed with in centre midfield having not got McCowan.

[Craig_HFC]

His trolley wasnt full of wine was it? If he’s signed up for Joe Newell’s wine and cheese evenings i swear i’ll do time :grr:

Costco it was full of bog roll :greengrin

Didn't see what was in it in Tesco, but I'd imagine it was various bandages, plasters, painkillers etc

[ekhibee]

I can see what some folk on here are saying about trying Levitt with Kwon and Triantis, I just don't know if that's a formula Gray will try with Newell being club captain now. Levitt's wasted playing as a defensive midfielder IMO.

[ian cruise]

I can see what some folk on here are saying about trying Levitt with Kwon and Triantis, I just don't know if that's a formula Gray will try with Newell being club captain now. Levitt's wasted playing as a defensive midfielder IMO.

Problem is while games are close and you're edging a one nil lead bringing on a player like Levitt is a gamble. He might be the difference maker or he might end up weakening the midfield. At the minute we're not winning games anyway so I'd stick him in after half time and see what he can do with the the new players around him but Gray will be wary that he needs results ASAP.

[SHODAN]

Still think there's a player in there with Levitt and with Triantis/Kwon behind him he might have more freedom to do what he does best.

Amos has looked completely disinterested every time I've seen him and seems to be another one who's perpetually injured anyway.

Doyle-Hayes - has one or two great games before he's long term injured. Can see him retiring early tbh.

[Coco Bryce]

Still think there's a player in there with Levitt and with Triantis/Kwon behind him he might have more freedom to do what he does best.

Amos has looked completely disinterested every time I've seen him and seems to be another one who's perpetually injured anyway.

Doyle-Hayes - has one or two great games before he's long term injured. Can see him retiring early tbh.

Christ! How many times have we heard this phrase regarding some of our players in the last 2-3 seasons?

[hibsbollah]

Joe is unlikely to allow someone to attend his fine foods soirée when they shop at Costco. He’s very much a Valvola & Crolla man. :greengrin

This is true. V&C for the wine, Mellis for the cheese. Probably some Russian dead dude for the book group.

A rolls royce of a footballer.