Kwon

[HendoDelivered]

Thought he was good today. Triantis allowed him and Newell to get on the ball and affect the game. Hopefully he only keeps getting better. Really like the look of him.

[JimBHibees]

Thought he was good today. Triantis allowed him and Newell to get on the ball and affect the game. Hopefully he only keeps getting better. Really like the look of him.

Yes looked quality really unlucky with his shot in the first half calm on the ball

[Unseen work]

I did say when he joined I thought he was more than a 6 and I think he showed that today

Got a great touch and bit of composure about him

[JimBHibees]

I did say when he joined I thought he was more than a 6 and I think he showed that today

Got a great touch and bit of composure about him

Cadden should have picked him out late on. Looks quality

[HIBS NUTS]

He was excellent today

[JohnM1875]

Yup, looked the part today. He's much better and quicker on the ball than I thought. **** we don't have an option to buy added in to the loan deal.

[SteveHFC]

How much would Celtic want for him?

[Hiber-nation]

Thought he was very good in 1st half but running out of steam late on and I expected him to get taken off. Then I thought of the alternatives and I thought maybe its best he stays on.

[Paul1642]

How much would Celtic want for him?

Unfortunately he’s still got 4 years left on his contact and Celtic paid 1 million for him. I’d file him under one to enjoy for the year that he is here.

[tamig]

I thought the whole midfield worked well as a three today.

[Stanton Spence]

I think there’s more to his game than I thought and he was very good today and was always looking for the ball and quite composed . He tired a bit second half. I think him and Triantis might actually work in the middle together

[B.H.F.C]

I was impressed with him today. Thought he was well off it last week but the hour he had plus another week with us has obviously done him good. More to come from I think. Hopeful he will do well for us.

[BILLYHIBS]

Looked much better today

I thought last week he looked a bit stiff and rusty and just sort of shuffled about the pitch but looked a lot more mobile and on it today also good to have some height in midfield

Formed a good partnership with Triantis in the middle of the park

[The Modfather]

Our best midfielder.

[007]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/13621604/celtic-kwon-first-ever-international-call-korea-hibs-loan/

Well done to Kwon on getting his first senior call up for his national team. Just shows what you can achieve when you join the Hibees and play well.

[SHODAN]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/13621604/celtic-kwon-first-ever-international-call-korea-hibs-loan/

Well done to Kwon on getting his first senior call up for his national team. Just shows what you can achieve when you join the Hibees and play well,

Great news for him.

How long do we reckon he'll be out for after he gets an injury on international duty? :wink:

[Unseen work]

Really poor for the second goal

If that was Newell there’s a 3 page thread already

[tamig]

Really poor for the second goal

If that was Newell there’s a 3 page thread already

He was pretty poor for most of the second half today. Him and Triantis not firing had a huge influence on the result.

[Nicho87]

He’s the least of our problems

Campbell
Cadden
Lack of goal threat way ahead of Kwon

[Unseen work]

He’s the least of our problems

Campbell
Cadden
Lack of goal threat way ahead of Kwon

He’s not a problem, but the point is it was really poor defending from him for the winning goal

[JohnM1875]

Really poor for the second goal

If that was Newell there’s a 3 page thread already

Weird post for a player that on the whole had a positive impact on the game. First half he was arguably our best player.

Haven't seen the second goal back yet, but folk round me were fuming at O'hora, so surprised to see Kwon getting the blame for it, might well be the case though.

[Unseen work]

Weird post for a player that on the whole had a positive impact on the game. First half he was arguably our best player.

Haven't seen the second goal back yet, but folk round me were fuming at O'hora, so surprised to see Kwon getting the blame for it, might well be the case though.

I don’t think you’ll find it weird when you watch it back. He’s marking Halliday and lets him run off him far too easily

Just down to 10 men, we need to defend better than that

[wookie70]

I thought he was poor today particularly the second half. He wasn't alone though. Despite us bossing the game until they scored I thought Cadden, Miller, Campbell, Kwon, Myko and to a lesser extent Triantis were all performing well below what they are capable of and what I would expect. There is some decent potential in teh squad but many of teh players don't perform week on week.

[JohnM1875]

I don’t think you’ll find it weird when you watch it back. He’s marking Halliday and lets him run off him far too easily

Just down to 10 men, we need to defend better than that

Aye, probably true. Or be better coached that we don't go down to 10 men?

[Unseen work]

Aye, probably true. Or be better coached that we don't go down to 10 men?

Yeah poor from Triantis. Thats the third game in a row he’s got an early yellow card, he was never going to keep getting through games without getting sent off.

[random sub]

Yeh, he’s athletic and energetic but he’s not without flaws. His touch loses the ball sometimes and he has a fair few goal scoring chances that he puts wide or often blazes over. 6/10 today at best.

[Hiber-nation]

Just watched the 2nd goal back....jeez that's horrendous. Done by the movement of Andy ******* Halliday.

Good left footed effort in the first half though.

[Callum_62]

Yeah that was amateur for sure

I'd question how 1 mistake can lead to a free shot in the 6 yard box though

Especially when we had likely prepared for this "every single day"

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[Not In The Know]

I like him he's been more than decent in that midfield role for us.

Huge caveat tho from me, he's either a good bit off being match fit or hes just one of those players who only ever has 60 mins in them.

[Smartie]

I like him he's been more than decent in that midfield role for us.

Huge caveat tho from me, he's either a good bit off being match fit or hes just one of those players who only ever has 60 mins in them.

Is it just me or do about three quarters of our squad only look fit enough to play 45-60 minutes at most?

[A Hi-Bee]

Is it just me or do about three quarters of our squad only look fit enough to play 45-60 minutes at most?

I concur, something aint right.

[J-C]

Is it just me or do about three quarters of our squad only look fit enough to play 45-60 minutes at most?

I think that's been a trait of ours for the past 2-3 years, many games we seem to run out of steam and players look to tire quickly and the speed of game play also slow.

[JohnM1875]

I concur, something aint right.

Pretty sure Montgomery highlighted the squad fitness as well, so it isn't a new thing.

[Not In The Know]

Pretty sure Montgomery highlighted the squad fitness as well, so it isn't a new thing.


I fear it’s just down to lack of mentality, concentration and a desire to win.

[RIP]

He's a good player following nonsensical tactics.

Manager.
"Whenever you get the ball, play it out wide"

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Pretty sure Montgomery highlighted the squad fitness as well, so it isn't a new thing.

since HTC there can surely be no excuses on the fitness front.

[Dmas]

since HTC there can surely be no excuses on the fitness front.

It’s just a building if you don’t have the right people in it, we should have been looking at the fitness, physio side of things after the huge injury list we had when maloney was here as far as I’m aware it’s the same people and the injuries and general lack of fitness has continued

[Viva_Palmeiras]

It’s just a building if you don’t have the right people in it, we should have been looking at the fitness, physio side of things after the huge injury list we had when maloney was here as far as I’m aware it’s the same people and the injuries and general lack of fitness has continued

with HTC we have analysts sports scientist a chef (most likely dieticians) the infrastructure is there for folks to be focused and dedicated. There is support. And this capability should have been grown and continuously improved since it opened.

otherwise we’re throwing away the opportunity for an eye to competitive advantage a dedicated modern facility brings - id suggest it makes a bit of a mockery out if it. So fitness of the mainstay of the team (injuries aside) shoukd be a given imo. No excuses.

[matty_f]

with HTC we have analysts sports scientist a chef (most likely dieticians) the infrastructure is there for folks to be focused and dedicated. There is support. And this capability should have been grown and continuously improved since it opened.

otherwise we’re throwing away the opportunity for an eye to competitive advantage a dedicated modern facility brings - id suggest it makes a bit of a mockery out if it. So fitness of the mainstay of the team (injuries aside) shoukd be a given imo. No excuses.

I think the competitive advantage only exists while other teams don’t have good facilities but I think the more steady top flight teams have access to (even if they don’t own them) similar facilities so any gains were have here are negligible, until we upgrade the facilities we have beyond what other teams have access to.

I don’t think we’re especially more susceptible to injuries than other teams where you could point to training or conditioning being the issue, if that were the case you would reasonably expect the same type of injuries to be prevalent across the squad, and that’s not the case.

As for fitness I think we look like a fit team, but there is a caveat to this. My observation is that we are very one-paced. The players appear to be able to generally keep a consistent level of running from start to finish (a that aren’t routinely substituted before 70-80 minutes).

We never seem to be able to go up a gear though, and you rarely see players coming off the pitch that look like they couldn’t play another twenty minutes no bother. Lee Johnson got ridiculed for his “chased by a lion” point, but it was a fair observation - we rarely see players going beyond a comfortable level of effort from them. I don’t say never, because there are occasions, but when was the last time we saw a player look absolutely burst at the end of a match because of the effort that had gone into it?

The fact that they’re not is a credit to the fitness staff, I guess, but I do wonder if that lack of a second or third gear in the team makes us very easy to play against. Results suggest it might.

[BILLYHIBS]

Was thinking to myself first half watching him driving forward and playing his clever intelligent balls that he is too good for this lot but he seemed to fade after 60 minutes again ( sending off didn’t help ) so not sure if it is a match fitness thing then he failed to pick up Halliday in the box ?

He also has 1.8 shots per game for us not bad for a DM but most seem to go past the post or are deflected blocked or wild maybe one time he will score

Watching Hibs over the last couple of seasons yes there might be something in the fitness thing Celtic for example always look as though they can play full pelt for 95 minutes ( they never gave up on Sunday despite being 1-0 down and have strength in depth from the bench ) and play another 90 but then again that is where Kwon came from and looks as though he has a bit catching up to do fitness wise

Dylan Vente never looked as though he could last a full 90 either despite his loss of confidence

GGTTH

[linlithgowhibbie]

Just wish we had a sprint coach. We used to have one a long time ago, perhaps George McNeill.

My dad was a good friend of Jimmy Millar and Ralph Brand (Both GRFC) in the 60s, both them told me as a teenager that as strikers the most important advantage they had was speed over the first 10 yards. Worked for them!

[BILLYHIBS]

Just wish we had a sprint coach. We used to have one a long time ago, perhaps George McNeill.

My dad was a good friend of Jimmy Millar and Ralph Brand (Both GRFC) in the 60s, both them told me as a teenager that as strikers the most important advantage they had was speed over the first 10 yards. Worked for them!

Did wonders for Gordon Juke Box Durie when we got him a Sprint Coach

Speed kills

Not forgetting Ivan Arthur and Boyler

[Just Alf]

Was thinking to myself first half watching him driving forward and playing his clever intelligent balls that he is too good for this lot but he seemed to fade after 60 minutes again ( sending off didn’t help ) so not sure if it is a match fitness thing then he failed to pick up Halliday in the box ?

He also has 1.8 shots per game for us not bad for a DM but most seem to go past the post or are deflected blocked or wild maybe one time he will score

Watching Hibs over the last couple of seasons yes there might be something in the fitness thing Celtic for example always look as though they can play full pelt for 95 minutes ( they never gave up on Sunday despite being 1-0 down and have strength in depth from the bench ) and play another 90 but then again that is where Kwon came from and looks as though he has a bit catching up to do fitness wise

Dylan Vente never looked as though he could last a full 90 either despite his loss of confidence

GGTTHTotally agree with the sentiment of this post...

looking back, all the successful teams seem to have that bit about them that moves up a gear if they're losing /drawing as the game is nearing the end .

[tamig]

Did wonders for Gordon Juke Box Durie when we got him a Sprint Coach

Speed kills

Not forgetting Ivan Arthur and Boyler
Gordon Durie was already quick. You can’t make slow players fast by introducing a sprint coach. They may improve a little. But its no miracle cure

[BILLYHIBS]

Gordon Durie was already quick. You can’t make slow players fast by introducing a sprint coach. They may improve a little. But its no miracle cure

Juke Box was faster stronger filled out was more direct and sharper in the new season compared to the raw rough around the edges teenager we signed months before from East Fife you could see the improvement and you just knew we would struggle to keep him especially after his successful partnership with Steve Cowan scoring 44 goals between them 1985/86

There was definitely a significant improvement and Durie was a tour de force and proving a handful for all the top teams in full flow

[tamig]

Juke Box was faster stronger filled out was more direct and sharper in the new season compared to the raw rough around the edges teenager we signed months before from East Fife you could see the improvement and you just knew we would struggle to keep him especially after his successful partnership with Steve Cowan scoring 44 goals between them 1985/86

There was definitely a significant improvement and Durie was a tour de force and proving a handful for all the top teams in full flow
Oh I know. But he was already quick and was powerfully built for his age when he arrived here. He had the basic speed and the additional coaching sharpened him. He was never a slow coach. A sprint coach can hone the speed of already quick guys but will do little for slow players.

[BILLYHIBS]

Oh I know. But he was already quick and was powerfully built for his age when he arrived here. He had the basic speed and the additional coaching sharpened him. He was never a slow coach. A sprint coach can hone the speed of already quick guys but will do little for slow players.

Looked as though he had spent the summer in the gym definitely benefited from the specialist sprint coaching and full time professional football and training though I did once spot him in Brattisani’s Morrison Street buying a white pudding supper presumably on his way back to the Kingdom Remember towards the end of his Hibs career he was targeted by the cloggers and spent a lot of his time limping at the halfway line

One of my all time favs in full flow a sight to behold was there that night in Methil when they knocked us out the Scottish Cup became a strong direct striker good in the air and scored a hat trick against them in the Scottish Cup Final

[tamig]

Looked as though he had spent the summer in the gym definitely benefited from the specialist sprint coaching and full time professional football and training though I did once spot him in Brattisani’s Morrison Street buying a white pudding supper presumably on his way back to the Kingdom Remember towards the end of his Hibs career he was targeted by the cloggers and spent a lot of his time limping at the halfway line

One of my all time favs in full flow a sight to behold was there that night in Methil when they knocked us out the Scottish Cup became a strong direct striker good in the air and scored a hat trick against them in the Scottish Cup Final
I was at Bayview as well that night. A shocker. Another player in the East Fife team that night I wish we’d signed was Stevie Kirk. Think he scored that night.

[BILLYHIBS]

I was at Bayview as well that night. A shocker. Another player in the East Fife team that night I wish we’d signed was Stevie Kirk. Think he scored that night.
Aye and Gordon Marshall Jr was in goal

I remember posting my Hibs scarf through his Barber Shop / Newsagent letter box at Haymarket after getting dropped off by the Carlton Branch sort of Radge daft thing I did back then :rolleyes:

[Heedersnvolleys]

Oh I know. But he was already quick and was powerfully built for his age when he arrived here. He had the basic speed and the additional coaching sharpened him. He was never a slow coach. A sprint coach can hone the speed of already quick guys but will do little for slow players.
Disagree if a slow player has the wrong technique a sprint coach can do wonders. Seen Drew McMaster, commonwealth medalist for Scotland in a relay team with Allan Wells transform the running techniques of a bunch of amateurs at a local club. A little nugget that has always stuck with me was he said “it’s not always about getting faster, it’s about having an efficient action so that you can maintain that pace”

[gbhibby]

Oh I know. But he was already quick and was powerfully built for his age when he arrived here. He had the basic speed and the additional coaching sharpened him. He was never a slow coach. A sprint coach can hone the speed of already quick guys but will do little for slow players.
My dad got a sprint coach for a Edinburgh Amateur team he coached in the early 70s one of the guys who was not the quickest in the team took the training on board and another guy who was quick,both ran and were finalists in the Powderham sprint. You can always improve a player's speed by teaching them how to run and sprint properly.

[scoopyboy]

Just wish we had a sprint coach. We used to have one a long time ago, perhaps George McNeill.

My dad was a good friend of Jimmy Millar and Ralph Brand (Both GRFC) in the 60s, both them told me as a teenager that as strikers the most important advantage they had was speed over the first 10 yards. Worked for them!

We had John Stirling from Ormiston who had won the Powderhall sprint that was helping out at the time we had Gordon Durie.

His comment to me was that Juke Box had never been shown how to run properly and it was technique that made the difference,

John worked for Kenny Waugh at the time

[CentreLine]

Comments about sprint coach are fascinating and not something that comes immediately to mind. With all the background staff we have, do we actually have one? If not then someone at the club needs to put that right.

[linlithgowhibbie]

Comments about sprint coach are fascinating and not something that comes immediately to mind. With all the background staff we have, do we actually have one? If not then someone at the club needs to put that right.

That is what I was alluding to in my original comment/query. Even a small improvement in a striker (or any other position) can mean getting to the ball first.

[SerenityGreen]

That is what I was alluding to in my original comment/query. Even a small improvement in a striker (or any other position) can mean getting to the ball first.

Interesting thread. Not running but rowing.
This is probably going to sound like a back in the day when I played type post, which it is;
Back in the day when I played I used to go to the gym as well as football training. The main thing that increased my fitness was the concept II rowing machine. Amazing bit of kit. Made the difference between carrying out a lung bursting run to get to the ball so much easier and once on the ball didnt need to worry bout breathing. Hard to explain, but your body takes over and it just does what you need it to do without thinking.
Made all the difference, split seconds, fine margins etc can all make a huge difference in todays modern game, any advantage counts.
I do agree though that we just dont look like other teams do re fitness levels, sharpness. Hate to pick (Celtic) as an example, but you watch how quick their forwards are both in terms of attack and more so when out of possession in closing down defenders. You have to sprint to close defenders down not just jog along in the general direction of the full back.
As an aside, few years ago now, I bumped in to Alex Harris in the gym. (think just left Hibs) Got talking to him and saw him regularly. Got him on the rowing machine and we both did a challenge. Beat him comfortably.

[ancient hibee]

I suspect that lack of speed between the ears is our biggest problem. No point in having physical speed if you don’t know when and where to run.