Deadline day finishing line with Malky McKay

[greenlex]

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/news/2024/august/31/watch--malky-mackay-on-summer-transfer-window/


90 days in the job. Talking the talk.

[JohnM1875]

Zero mention of the BK group and plenty Ian Gordon loving.

[Bostonhibby]

It doesn't really matter what a Hibs supporter like me thinks, but if he had a honeymoon period I'm thinking it might be over.

Got lucky, gave us the quality over quantity mince and now into fingers crossed hoping to get lucky territory. Now beginning to fear the worst for SDG.

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[JohnM1875]

It doesn't really matter what a Hibs supporter like me thinks, but if he had a honeymoon period I'm thinking it might be over.

Got lucky, gave us the quality over quantity mince and now into fingers crossed hoping to get lucky territory. Now beginning to fear the worst for SDG.

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I'm usually quite easily suckered in by Hibs, easily persuaded. But to be honest I didn't really like that interview.

[Bostonhibby]

I'm usually quite easily suckered in by Hibs, easily persuaded. But to be honest I didn't really like that interview.Yep, pre the current gang that have their hands on our club, theres not much me and my family haven't bought, or bought into but if that was a pitch to sell me a used car I'd probably stick to cycling.

We've had the impressive early chat and now we are in the reality phase.

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[LunasBoots]

I'm usually quite easily suckered in by Hibs, easily persuaded. But to be honest I didn't really like that interview.

Same, he sounded a wee bit off, almost struck me as a bit frustrated. Patient until next year it is then.

[CL0762]

I'm usually quite easily suckered in by Hibs, easily persuaded. But to be honest I didn't really like that interview.

Same here.

21 minutes of almost nothing. As a fan who knows next to nothing about how the club operates, I learned absolutely zilch that I haven’t read on here the last few months.

zero mention of the BK connection as well which makes you wonder if that partnership is completely broken.

[Chorley Hibee]

Same here.

21 minutes of almost nothing. As a fan who knows next to nothing about how the club operates, I learned absolutely zilch that I haven’t read on here the last few months.

zero mention of the BK connection as well which makes you wonder if that partnership is completely broken.

There needs to be clarity on this matter moving forward.

Isn't it a quarter of the club BK now own?

What a ****ing mess we're in if we've sold a portion of the club to an investor who's now no longer interested.

[B.H.F.C]

I'm usually quite easily suckered in by Hibs, easily persuaded. But to be honest I didn't really like that interview.

Agree.

The one thing I did take from it is that they’re obviously frustrated at the players that are happy to just sit on their contracts and the impact that has on what we want to do.

I still just find the McCowan thing strange. He’s talking about knowing we might not get him yet we were happy to keep going and obviously didn’t have anyone else lined up. Makes very little sense to me.

[Coco Bryce]

I really don't like Mackay.

[Bostonhibby]

There needs to be clarity on this matter moving forward.

Isn't it a quarter of the club BK now own?

What a ****ing mess we're in if we've sold a portion of the club to an investor who's now no longer interested.Any other business than our football club you could see why a significant minority shareholder might want to sit back and let the incumbents crack on with whatever their end game is.

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[Wheat Hound]

Zero mention of the BK Group is weird/concerning.

[Billy Whizz]

Zero mention of the BK group and plenty Ian Gordon loving.

I’ll not bother watching if Ian Gordon is getting plaudits
We want people in key positions like MM to be independent and fierce and what Hibs need, not sucking up to the owner

[JohnM1875]

There needs to be clarity on this matter moving forward.

Isn't it a quarter of the club BK now own?

What a ****ing mess we're in if we've sold a portion of the club to an investor who's now no longer interested.

It's crazy. I'm 36 and the Black Knights buying shares has the potential to be the most important and significant Hibs event in my lifetime. A group of literal billionaires have chosen to invest and back us.

They should be talking this up every given opportunity. Providing constant updates on how it's working and the benefits we're receiving. But nope, we hear **** all and some of the chat from folk who know a lot more than most is the issue is on our side and we're reluctant to listen to them.

Madness.

[Paul1642]

I thought it was an okay interview. At least it gives an impression that a long term plan exists.

[jeffers]

Agree.

The one thing I did take from it is that they’re obviously frustrated at the players that are happy to just sit on their contracts and the impact that has on what we want to do.

I still just find the McCowan thing strange. He’s talking about knowing we might not get him yet we were happy to keep going and obviously didn’t have anyone else lined up. Makes very little sense to me.

I haven’t watched it yet, but it’s farcical that MM, his “assistant” and the rest of the recruitment team had £800k+ to spend on a creative midfielder and the only one they could come up with was Luke McCowan. WTF are we paying him for ?

[greenlex]

Not sure what folks are needing clarity about with the BK group. It’s the same as it always was. Possible sharing of resources. Foley made an unguarded comment about Hibs board not listening. He later clarified there was no rift. BK have two Hibs board members I think. We are getting players on loan from Bournemouth. Nothings changed so what more do you need?

[GreenCastle]

I predict fireworks in the next 12 months.

This was an important window for MM / Gray / Kensell and the fans.

I understand the numbers but at the end of the day we need to improve our starting 1st team and be doing better than last season.

Will we ?

A lot of fans need convincing and something to get behind.

Killie game is actually another important game following the St Mirren / Dundee games of 1 point from 6.

The club really need to clarify what’s going on with the Black Knights as either MM and others are going rogue and ignoring them ? We arent using the link as it should be ? Or both sides have fallen out ? Who knows but after the past window and obvious weaknesses still in the team it would be useful to know.

[Keepthefaith]

as someone who likes to find the positives, I do find it odd and a bit concerning that there was no mention of the BK link up, especially as McKay had previously said the relationship was healthy and he was in constant discussion with the group / his counterparts in bournemouth.

it's an interview which I think seeks to reassure supporters that there is a long term plan, that we'll see changes at the end of this year and that the club have been restricted in what we could do as a result of some players not wanting to move on.

it's a missed opportunity to explain more about players we were after and why it didn't work out. there is some hope that we will be looking at the free agent market too though, so don't be surprised to see Marcondes back...

[bingo70]

I really don't like Mackay.

I don’t mind him and I thought he would be a great appointment, he still might be but I think it’s been a terrible start for him and that interview didn’t do anything to put my mind at ease.

I maybe just need to see us win (hopefully tomorrow) to chill out a bit but I felt that interview was more about self preservation for him, The Gordon’s and Kensell than anything else.

The interviewer might have well just asked “tell us why you’re all so brilliant Malky” and let him get on with it. Would be nice to see him interviewed by someone who might probe a bit further and ask some questions we actually want answers to. That’s not a criticism of the guy asking the questions, he’ll have just asked what he was told to ask.

Proof will be in the pudding, regardless of what he says to Hibs TV, I’m not sure too many answers to the questions stood up to that much scrutiny though.

Also, too much emphasis being put on personalities of players imo. Two best players I’ve seen play for Hibs were Latapy and Sauzee. Latapys attitude and effort levels in training is well known and I spoke to a former team mate of Sauzee who said he was a bit of a dick who created cliques in the changing room and ignored rules he didn’t feel were right for him. Wants to sign good footballers, they come in all shapes and sizes and some will be ********s I’m sure.

[The Modfather]

Not sure what folks are needing clarity about with the BK group. It’s the same as it always was. Possible sharing of resources. Foley made an unguarded comment about Hibs board not listening. He later clarified there was no rift. BK have two Hibs board members I think. We are getting players on loan from Bournemouth. Nothings changed so what more do you need?

What are the best practices that we’ve learned from how Bournemouth operate? What markets and data do we now have access to we previously didn’t? These were all aspects sold to us by Kensell. However if you woke up from a coma this summer you would have no idea we were part of a multi club group and billionaire investors with successful sports portfolios own 25% of the club.

[Trinity Hibee]

as someone who likes to find the positives, I do find it odd and a bit concerning that there was no mention of the BK link up, especially as McKay had previously said the relationship was healthy and he was in constant discussion with the group / his counterparts in bournemouth.

it's an interview which I think seeks to reassure supporters that there is a long term plan, that we'll see changes at the end of this year and that the club have been restricted in what we could do as a result of some players not wanting to move on.

it's a missed opportunity to explain more about players we were after and why it didn't work out. there is some hope that we will be looking at the free agent market too though, so don't be surprised to see Marcondes back...

I would hope that come January we are getting players on pre contracts and like to think that work is already underway now if next summer is going to be such a big overhaul that we are being led to believe.

What will be the final straw is if we get to next summer with very little activity or signing below par players again. We have cash to get quality players in so let’s get doing it. Every season we are told it’s a transition season or it will take time, well that’s gone on too long now and another transition season is simply not good enough.

[Wull]

He reminds me of Jack, wonder if Victor was behind the camera:wink:

[InvertedFullBak]

Basically a good scripted interview saying all the right things and putting a positive spin on another summer transfer window. Praising the Gordon’s was always gonna be thrown in there as they pay the wages.

Personally I think he looks a bit fed up we couldn’t shift a lot more of the rubbish the club see as aren’t good enough. Saying we have a plan for each player basically means that’s let’s look at every player and decide if they’re not good enough or not.

A lot of plasters yet again been stuck on the open wounds of this Hibs squad.

[bingo70]

I haven’t watched it yet, but it’s farcical that MM, his “assistant” and the rest of the recruitment team had £800k+ to spend on a creative midfielder and the only one they could come up with was Luke McCowan. WTF are we paying him for ?

Apparently McCowan was a special case as he was someone we really liked and was available.

Clearly, he wasn’t available though and to get him we were going to have to pay way over the odds so I’m not sure what gave them that impression he was available.

[jeffers]

Not sure what folks are needing clarity about with the BK group. It’s the same as it always was. Possible sharing of resources. Foley made an unguarded comment about Hibs board not listening. He later clarified there was no rift. BK have two Hibs board members I think. We are getting players on loan from Bournemouth. Nothings changed so what more do you need?

Maybe I’m being slow here but we haven’t had any players on loan from Bournemouth this window ?

[BoomtownHibees]

We are getting players on loan from Bournemouth

Who?

[greenlex]

What are the best practices that we’ve learned from how Bournemouth operate? What markets and data do we now have access to we previously didn’t? These were all aspects sold to us by Kensell. However if you woke up from a coma this summer you would have no idea we were part of a multi club group and billionaire investors with successful sports portfolios own 25% of the club.
Sorry was he meant to be talking to folk that don’t know we are part of that group? We haven’t suddenly not become part of the group. He’s already said he talks to others in the group. What more needs to be made public? Every minute detail of what’s shared? Bournemouth are fishing in a different pond to Hibs so identifying players will be specific to each club. McKay was at pains to say identifying players in our budget so sharing player info will be of limited use in a transfer sense. Other things like sports science etc will be a given.

[jeffers]

Apparently McCowan was a special case as he was someone we really liked and was available.

Clearly, he wasn’t available though and to get him we were going to have to pay way over the odds so I’m not sure what gave them that impression he was available.

As I’m reading that I have the Benny Hill tune playing in my head.

[greenlex]

Who?
Bevan.

[Centre Hawf]

I really don't like Mackay.

I didn’t like him before he came here and I still don’t like him. Except now I can dislike him for being quite ***** rather than his previous comments.

[greenlex]

Maybe I’m being slow here but we haven’t had any players on loan from Bournemouth this window ?
Again Bevan all but done until injury once again.

[BoomtownHibees]

Bevan.

When are we getting him?

[jeffers]

Again Bevan all but done until injury once again.

Yeah I know he was due to come in, it was your wording about getting players in from Bournemouth that had me questioning if I’d missed something.

[greenlex]

When are we getting him?
Stop trying to be a smartarse mate. The link up is there. That’s the point.

[Coco Bryce]

When are we getting him?

Season 2027-2028

[Bostonhibby]

Again Bevan all but done until injury once again.Try as I might I cannot turn this into a positive development as a result of the relationship we apparently enjoy with Bournemouth as a result of a minority shareholding groups interest in Hibs.

So far it feels like we have guaranteed first dibs on the permanent injured and hugely unlucky Bevan. If he can't make it not much else comes our way.

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[greenlex]

Yeah I know he was due to come in, it was your wording about getting players in from Bournemouth that had me questioning if I’d missed something.
No just pointing out the link up is there and there is quite obviously no breakdown.

[Houston7]

Maybe I’m being slow here but we haven’t had any players on loan from Bournemouth this window ?

Correct - I thought I had missed something. Only slightly tenuous link was a player moving from Bournemouth to Sunderland freed up Triantis.
On the point raised by others about no mention of the Black Knights, Malky isn’t likely to want to mention them, since Foley wasn’t approving of his appointment.

[greenlex]

Right once again this place is a pit of ****ing misery so I’ll leave you all to it. Dilly dilly. :aok:

[bingo70]

Again Bevan all but done until injury once again.

To be fair to the club, it looks a bit like we’ve got into bed with the wrong club if we are looking to get loans from them.

They seem to have players either way above our level or kids who have zero first team football experience.

If they are going to make use of the multi club structure they need to start investing in it by buying more young players with potential for first team football with them. They didn’t sign anyone this summer that met that criteria. I’ve criticised the club ****ing loads over the last few days but it doesn’t seem to me like the black knights have really stuck to their side of the agreement either.

[Bridge hibs]

Right once again this place is a pit of ****ing misery so I’ll leave you all to it. Dilly dilly. :aok:

Never a truer word said mate

[JohnM1875]

Correct - I thought I had missed something. Only slightly tenuous link was a player moving from Bournemouth to Sunderland freed up Triantis.
On the point raised by others about no mention of the Black Knights, Malky isn’t likely to want to mention them, since Foley wasn’t approving of his appointment.

Regardless if that's true about Foley or not, its now Malky’s job to ensure the relationship works going forward. He can't not mention them.

[The Modfather]

Sorry was he meant to be talking to folk that don’t know we are part of that group? We haven’t suddenly not become part of the group. He’s already said he talks to others in the group. What more needs to be made public? Every minute detail of what’s shared? Bournemouth are fishing in a different pond to Hibs so identifying players will be specific to each club. McKay was at pains to say identifying players in our budget so sharing player info will be of limited use in a transfer sense. Other things like sorts science etc will be a given.

There’s lots they could be telling us if they wanted to talk up being part of the group. Do we now do anything different in terms of training and coaching given we have links to a club playing at an elite level as anexample. Are there no youngsters throughout the world that Bournemouth or Lorient have scouted that they don’t feel are good enough for them but might be standouts at our level and who we otherwise wouldn’t know about? Etc etc.

Can you point to any single aspect this summer that could reasonably be linked back to being part of the Black Knights group?

[jeffers]

No just pointing out the link up is there and there is quite obviously no breakdown.

👍

[Heisenberg]

So it seems JDH and Kenneh had the chance to go but have chosen to sit in the stands till at least January. Easy money right enough

[JohnM1875]

No just pointing out the link up is there and there is quite obviously no breakdown.

It might not have completely broken down but surely you can understand why some folk are wondering if its in a healthy state?

[ancient hibee]

There’s lots they could be telling us if they wanted to talk up being part of the group. Do we now do anything different in terms of training and coaching given we have links to a club playing at an elite level as anexample. Are there no youngsters throughout the world that Bournemouth or Lorient have scouted that they don’t feel are good enough for them but might be standouts at our level and who we otherwise wouldn’t know about? Etc etc.

Can you point to any single aspect this summer that could reasonably be linked back to being part of the Black Knights group?

Having a large amount of money to spend on players?

[Unseen work]

Very interesting he says 11 in “so far”

Maybe we will get a free agent

[JohnM1875]

Very interesting he says 11 in “so far”

Maybe we will get a free agent

Noticed that as well. Also went out our way to mention the out of contract market.

[bingo70]

Noticed that as well. Also went out our way to mention the out of contract market.

I think Marcondes is a stick on to sign for us.

[jeffers]

I think Marcondes is a stick on to sign for us.

I can’t see it.

[ChuckNor]

So it seems JDH and Kenneh had the chance to go but have chosen to sit in the stands till at least January. Easy money right enough

Funnily enough, I previously backed JDH in a thread but recently found out that he had received offers to leave and chose against them. There has been a fall out at the club so no idea why he is refusing to leave.


Kenneh received offers and also decided to stay. Makes an absolute mockery of his career.

[bingo70]

I can’t see it.

Unless any other players have brothers that could join us, someone who’s been here before seems a safe bet 😜

[JohnM1875]

Funnily enough, I previously backed JDH in a thread but recently found out that he had received offers to leave and chose against them. There has been a fall out at the club so no idea why he is refusing to leave.


Kenneh received offers and also decided to stay. Makes an absolute mockery of his career.

Think the only thing it makes a mockery of is our recruitment the past wee while.

We bizarrely gave JDH an extension after a few months or he would've been gone by now.

We also gave Kenneh such a good wage he’d rather sit and do **** all than go out and play.

[BoomtownHibees]

Stop trying to be a smartarse mate. The link up is there. That’s the point.

Will maybe sign him the same time as we get the other one you were telling everyone we were getting by Friday

[Trinity Hibee]

Think the only thing it makes a mockery of is our recruitment the past wee while.

Wee bizarrely gave JDH an extension after a few months or he would've been gone by now.

We also gave Kenneh such a good wage he’d rather sit and do **** all than go out and play.

The lengths of deals handed to under performing players has been staggering to be quite honest.

[He's here!]

He came across better than I was expecting but didn't ultimately say much other than stress how thorough the recruitment process apparently is and that we only want nice guys in the squad.

Beats me why, if they already knew the McCowan pursuit would go gown to the wire and they weren't certain to get him, they didn't at least have feelers out for a another player who could play a similar role. You don't push something right up to the wire if you don't think it's important. And when you fail to make the signing you surely don't just accept that the way you wanted to shape your midfield is out the window. Free agent seems a stick-on based on that reasoning.

[Trinity Hibee]

He came across better than I was expecting but didn't ultimately say much other than stress how thorough the recruitment process apparently is and that we only want nice guys in the squad.

Beats me why, if they already knew the McCowan pursuit would go gown to the wire and they weren't certain to get him, they didn't at least have feelers out for a another player who could play a similar role. You don't push something right up to the wire if you don't think it's important. And when you fail to make the signing you surely don't just accept that the way you wanted to shape your midfield is out the window. Free agent seems a stick-on based on that reasoning.

That’s what is concerning. Doesn’t sound like there is a plan if that’s our approach to signings

[Unseen work]

I don’t see what’s bad about that interview?

I read all of the time how people want to hear more from the club and we got that?

[K-Zazu]

What’s he meant to do? He can’t shift the players that are under contracts, not his fault the recruitment has been a shambles the last few seasons.

[ruthven_raiders]

He came across better than I was expecting but didn't ultimately say much other than stress how thorough the recruitment process apparently is and that we only want nice guys in the squad.

Beats me why, if they already knew the McCowan pursuit would go gown to the wire and they weren't certain to get him, they didn't at least have feelers out for a another player who could play a similar role. You don't push something right up to the wire if you don't think it's important. And when you fail to make the signing you surely don't just accept that the way you wanted to shape your midfield is out the window. Free agent seems a stick-on based on that reasoning.

Maybe there was no other player that they wanted to waste money on, and they knew there are one or two free agents available....

[Rumble de Thump]

A perfectly decent interview that has drawn bizarre criticism from the same boring weirdos.

[CL0762]

I haven’t watched it yet, but it’s farcical that MM, his “assistant” and the rest of the recruitment team had £800k+ to spend on a creative midfielder and the only one they could come up with was Luke McCowan. WTF are we paying him for ?

We didn’t want a creative midfielder.

Gray wanted McCowan because of “what he represents”.

Whatever that’s meant to mean.

[JimBHibees]

I don’t see what’s bad about that interview?

I read all of the time how people want to hear more from the club and we got that?

Yeah but they only want to hear more so they can rip the pee out of it. Like McKay decent appointment

[7Hero]

He's asking david gray what type of player he needs..

we all heard that.

So where did it go wrong ?

[bingo70]

What’s he meant to do? He can’t shift the players that are under contracts, not his fault the recruitment has been a shambles the last few seasons.

The early signs are the recruitment hasn’t been any better this summer though, in fact, it looks worse.

That is his responsibility.

To answer some of the other posters, he didn’t say anything wrong in that interview, it was all fine, it was all just a bit staged and scripted. The questions weren’t exactly objective or probing.

He was given a platform to defend himself, the Gordon’s and Kensell and he took it.

Said earlier that I like Mackay and I liked the appointment of him so I’ve no axe to grind with him. Hope his confidence in the structure turns out the way he hopes it does.

[Alfred E Newman]

Apparently McCowan was a special case as he was someone we really liked and was available.

Clearly, he wasn’t available though and to get him we were going to have to pay way over the odds so I’m not sure what gave them that impression he was available.
But he was available, Dundee sold him to the highest bidder and it wasn't us. We reportedly were willing to spend a record fee after already spending another large fee for Bowie. Maybe we should have looked elsewhere but Celtic coming in so late scuppered that. He is more or less admitting we are hamstrung with all the duffers that were handed daft contracts and till we manage to ship the rest of them out it's going to be a struggle. Personally I don't think we have improved the team where it matters during the window and I am sure MM is well aware there are turbulent times ahead.

[GreenCastle]

Correct me if I’m wrong but Hibs usually have around 10 / 11 out and 10/ 11 in most summer windows.

We have now got 4 loans ? Bursik / Myko / Kwon / Nectar

1 player Hoilett on 12 month deal (well it will be 9 months if we are lucky)

So leaves the other 6 on permanent deals with Bowie being the main ones with a larger fee and wage.

Cadden probably came through his brother - Sub GK will never play - plus the 3 centre backs. Zero central midfielders - the heartbeat / part of the spine of the team.

Next summer is going to be an even bigger turnover ? I’m surprised we didn’t sign more permanent players as he said he wanted to get to the situation where we add 1 or 2 each window but next summer is shaping up to see exactly same situation surely as this summer with many out of contract and loans returning ?

[Smartie]

Correct me if I’m wrong but Hibs usually have around 10 / 11 out and 10/ 11 in most summer windows.

We have now got 4 loans ? Bursik / Myko / Kwon / Nectar

1 player Hoilett on 12 month deal (well it will be 9 months if we are lucky)

So leaves the other 6 on permanent deals with Bowie been the main ones. Cadden probably came through his brother - Sub GK will never play - plus the 3 centre backs.

Next summer is going to be an even bigger turnover ? So surprised we didn’t sign more permanent players as he said he wanted to get to the add 1 or 2 situation but next summer shaping up to see exactly same situation surely ?

I think it’s absolutely imperative that we have sufficiently good a season this season that we definitely go into next season with MacKay and Gray - and that the work reshaping the squad is already happening now, with the end product of work being carried out now being evident from January.

[jeffers]

Just watched it. It wasn’t bad, just didn’t tell me anything I didn’t already know, but I found it strange him twice mentioning he wants us to be in a position where we only bring in a couple of players each window. What planet is he on ?

[bingo70]

But he was available, Dundee sold him to the highest bidder and it wasn't us. We reportedly were willing to spend a record fee after already spending another large fee for Bowie. Maybe we should have looked elsewhere but Celtic coming in so late scuppered that. He is more or less admitting we are hamstrung with all the duffers that were handed daft contracts and till we manage to ship the rest of them out it's going to be a struggle. Personally I don't think we have improved the team where it matters during the window and I am sure MM is well aware there are turbulent times ahead.

You could say that about every player in world football though, everyone is available if you’re prepared to overpay enough.

Being available suggests Dundee were willing sellers, they weren’t though and it took an offer way above market value for a 27 year old out of contract in a year with 0 international caps and had one or two good seasons.

Ryan Porteous went for around half that as he genuinely was available.

[bingo70]

Just watched it. It wasn’t bad, just didn’t tell me anything I didn’t already know, but I found it strange him twice mentioning he wants us to be in a position where we only bring in a couple of players each window. What planet is he on ?

He’s also not made a great start to that when we’ve signed so many loan players this summer.

It’ll be another 11 next season at least I’m sure.

[Lago]

Zero mention of the BK group and plenty Ian Gordon loving.
A lot of talk not a lot of info, Luke McCowan brushed over and as you sip about Bournemouth, Foley or Blk Knights, however Ian Gordon is doing a fantastic job.

[jeffers]

He’s also not made a great start to that when we’ve signed so many loan players this summer.

It’ll be another 11 next season at least I’m sure.

:agree: I thought it was utter nonsense. How many clubs in our league signed only two players this window ? Or any summer window for that matter.

Some may read this post and think I’m just looking for faults, but this is the guy responsible for setting our footballing strategy and he’s coming out with stuff like this :confused:

[bingo70]

:agree: I thought it was utter nonsense. How many clubs in our league signed only two players this window ? Or any summer window for that matter.

Some may read this post and think I’m just looking for faults, but this is the guy responsible for setting our footballing strategy and he’s coming out with stuff like this :confused:

You can see why chat like that would appeal to the owners though. It sounds great in theory, it’s just wildly unrealistic.

Hearts just finished 3rd by a million points and signed about 8 or 9 players, Celtic won the league by a mile and still signed 5 or 6 maybe?

[Forza Fred]

Transparency required on exactly what is the current state of the relationship between Hibs and Black Knight.

Bit like, ‘don’t mention the war’ interview.

[TrinityHFC]

A perfectly decent interview that has drawn bizarre criticism from the same boring weirdos.

Spot on. There’s a big contingent on here that evidently hate everything about Hibs. I’m out for the time being.

[B.H.F.C]

Spot on. There’s a big contingent on here that evidently hate everything about Hibs. I’m out for the time being.

Bet you’re back with posts along the same lines in the not too distant future.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Bet you’re back with posts along the same line in the not too distant future.

:agree:

And they’ll be back, slaughtering posters that’ll be proven to be right, much like has been the case over the past few years.

[One Day Soon]

Bet you’re back with posts along the same lines in the not too distant future.

‘Anyone who disagrees with me hates Hibs.’ Seems legit.

[Wheat Hound]

Don't think most people being critical hate Hibs. They are being critical because they are concerned and want Hibs to do better.

I go back to the stat recently put forward that we have won 5 out of the last 24 league games. No wonder people are fed up.

[ChuckNor]

Been sent snippets of this interview. Yet to watch full thing. In one of the bits I’ve seen he has basically called out players who refused to go off on loan while they run down their contracts. Glad someone said it. These lads are absolutely ruining their careers while taking the piss out the club. Why would they not want to go and play games somewhere?

[B.H.F.C]

Been sent snippets of this interview. Yet to watch full thing. In one of the bits I’ve seen he has basically called out players who refused to go off on loan while they run down their contracts. Glad someone said it. These lads are absolutely ruining their careers while taking the piss out the club. Why would they not want to go and play games somewhere?

Because they don’t want to give up tens of thousands of pounds to do so. Simple as that. And I don’t think they are taking the piss out of the club, it’s down to our own mismanagement.

It’s one thing that McKay can’t be criticised for. It’s a problem he’s inherited and I think we’ve actually done well to move quite a few in. Concern for me is that we’ll just sign more that don’t really contribute and we’re trying to move on in the nex 18 months or so.

[Mr Grieves]

Spot on. There’s a big contingent on here that evidently hate everything about Hibs. I’m out for the time being.There's a big contingent on here that love Hibs but hate those running the club into the ground.

[Mr Grieves]

Been sent snippets of this interview. Yet to watch full thing. In one of the bits I’ve seen he has basically called out players who refused to go off on loan while they run down their contracts. Glad someone said it. These lads are absolutely ruining their careers while taking the piss out the club. Why would they not want to go and play games somewhere?They'll never get a better contract in their footballing career. That's not their fault, it's ours.

[hibeez1875]

The most important part of MM’s role, certainly as far as the fans are concerned, is recruitment. He’s convinced me plenty of work has gone into ensuring we get the right players and that these players are good people.

Ultimately, though, he will live and die by the appointments made and how those people perform.

So far, Bursik, O’Hora and Ekpiteta have all made costly individual errors and looked shaky. The manager, another MM recruit, has had a difficult start too.

Bowie has made a brilliant first impression and could be an outstanding signing.

Too early to make concrete judgements, but those coming in need to improve us.

That should be easy enough, as last season set such a low bar, yet I’m just not convinced this latest batch of recruits will improve us much, if at all.

[RIP]

Spot on. There’s a big contingent on here that evidently hate everything about Hibs. I’m out for the time being.

It's actually a tiny contingent. We have about 18,000 active fans of which around 12,000 rarely miss a home game.

On here we probably have around ten undercover Yams and the same amount of seagulls who hate the club even more than the Jambos.

The two tribes have one thing in common. They're never seen on here on a day the Pink Bus boys are at home or after a Hibs win.

[dmc1875]

It's actually a tiny contingent. We have about 18,000 active fans of which around 12,000 rarely miss a home game.

On here we probably have around ten undercover Yams and the same amount of seagulls who hate the club even more than the Jambos.

The two tribes have one thing in common. They're never seen on here on a day the Pink Bus boys are at home or after a Hibs win.

So i go to all home games, have a season ticket, I’m Hibs through and through and I’m disillusioned with the club right now, thought the lack of mention of the BK group was eye opening and the club is a bit of a shambles right now. There is very little to shout about - if anything at all - at the club at the minute.

Does that make me a pink bus boy fan?

[CallumHibs07]

Been sent snippets of this interview. Yet to watch full thing. In one of the bits I’ve seen he has basically called out players who refused to go off on loan while they run down their contracts. Glad someone said it. These lads are absolutely ruining their careers while taking the piss out the club. Why would they not want to go and play games somewhere?

wonder who he's talking about. levitt, jdh, mckirdy im guessing. heartless on the pitch so wouldn't surprise me if they're happy to let their contracts run out without having to play football

[tonyrougier123]

I really enjoyed listening to that interview. Can only imagine how hard it is to conduct that much business in a window.

I get frustrated about things I know very little about as a supporter,these guys are dealing with real human beings who either need to play/work/earn and it’s a duty to see everyone is looked after properly.

We can deduce all we want from afar but the reality is we’ve had a pretty decent first window under the current sporting director,communicated well what has happened and how we have liaised with the coaches to bring what we need with the funds we have identified by the recruitment team.

We can debate how well they studied the market sure,even make suggestions. And ultimately challenge whether players brought in and ones that left were the correct decisions.
I’d say for starters all the outs were over and above what I may have thought would happen in a window,and we have no idea the cost of covering that so I won’t speculate.
Would myself as a supporter wanted more spent on defence and a midfielder? Ofcourse possibly even a goalie permanent,but looking at it I think we’ve done pretty well, even thinking the season may be a bit rough I will be scrutinising where we have done well here.

I’m a huge fan of the job Malky is doing and I totally trust in his football ethos. SDG will need time and we will need patience. (Not to say my posts tomorrow will opposite of this after a potential bad result) but I think this is my rational and true overall opinion.

Let’s dig in and come together here,I think all the squabbles hinder us making true progress.

GGTTH 💪🏻

[Jim Herriot]

Final score for using the word 'obviously' in a football interview: Adam 9 Malky 7.
Yes, I kept count. Obviously. :greengrin

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Final score for using the word 'obviously' in a football interview: Adam 9 Malky 7.
Yes, I kept count. Obviously. :greengrin

🤣🤣🤣

[joe breezy]

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[hibsbollah]

I didn’t like him before he came here and I still don’t like him. Except now I can dislike him for being quite ***** rather than his previous comments.

Same here. Theres no point in me pretending i can assess him objectively. Ill just be happier when he moves on somewhere else.

[killie-hibby]

Just watched it. It wasn’t bad, just didn’t tell me anything I didn’t already know, but I found it strange him twice mentioning he wants us to be in a position where we only bring in a couple of players each window. What planet is he on ?

Bringing in a couple of players each window suggests stability,an environment I hope he achieves.

[Cooshed Kid]

wonder who he's talking about. levitt, jdh, mckirdy im guessing. heartless on the pitch so wouldn't surprise me if they're happy to let their contracts run out without having to play football

Maybe unfair to speculate on specific players. Before you know it, it'll be treated as an established fact because someone read it and forgot you said "I'm guessing". Especially unfair if your guess is wrong.

[JohnM1875]

Bringing in a couple of players each window suggests stability, an environment I hope he achieves.

There's not many teams in world football that have that level of stability, especially not one in the Scottish League.

If we're performing well and reaching the goals of the owners, consistent European football, we'll be losing more players through good performance. It's pie in the sky stuff.

[Forza Fred]

If we lose at Killie today, the pitchforks for Malky will be out.

I’ll judge him on results.

So far they have been anything but great

[hibsbollah]

There's not many teams in world football that have that level of stability, especially not one in the Scottish League.

If we're performing well and reaching the goals of the owners, consistent European football, we'll be losing more players through good performance. It's pie in the sky stuff.

A quick glance at the bbc site suggests that apart from Dundee, who brought in 5 players and have an unusually settled squad, most top flight teams have brought in about 10 new players this season,somewhere between 7-13 (18 if youre Motherwell! including some loan signings). and it looks the same pattern previously. If id have posted a similar thought on .net id be deluged with laughing emojis and been told i didn’t understand the marketplace. Yet knowing this stuff is his actual job.

Edit-just looking again and Dundee actually brought in 5 loans as well as 5 perms, its Killie who are most stable with ‘only’ 6 new faces.

[MWHIBBIES]

Bringing in a couple of players each window suggests stability,an environment I hope he achieves.

About 4 teams in the world achieve this. Hibs will never be one.

We made that mistake when we had a good side that finished 3rd and were still suffering for that.

[Cooshed Kid]

If we lose at Killie today, the pitchforks for Malky will be out.

I’ll judge him on results.

So far they have been anything but great

You're generous. They have been crap. But let's see how the first half of the season goes. We can burn him in effigy and turn things around in the second half if necessary. I really can't believe we can carry on being so slipshod indefinitely. I'm not overjoyed at the final tally for the window but I have a feeling of optimism which I last had when we announced the pre-contract of Scott Allan. No idea why.

[Just_Jimmy]

So it seems JDH and Kenneh had the chance to go but have chosen to sit in the stands till at least January. Easy money right enoughThey have contracts.

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[Heisenberg]

They have contracts.

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Why does that stop them going out on loan to play football? Paid the same amount and actually try and take your career somewhere. Kenneh especially at his age.

[Crab apple]

They have contracts.

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I hope we have learned from these mistakes. Giving the unknown Kenneh a big contract is still hurting us. And I don't know what JDH's situation is. I think he was a Jack Ross signing. I can't remember who signed Kenneh.

[Just_Jimmy]

Why does that stop them going out on loan to play football? Paid the same amount and actually try and take your career somewhere. Kenneh especially at his age.It doesn't but maybe they felt it wasn't right for them for any reason.

- not where they want to play
- not a good level.
- not a real opportunity
- away from family
- crap location
- couldn't move family even on temp basis
- wanted to stay and try and play here

We gave them contracts, they owe nothing except, be professional, train properly and try and get into the team and perform if they do.



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[hibsbollah]

- crap location


To be fair, Kenneh went to DINGWALL to get some regular games:eek:

He’s probably decided he’s better off where he is for now.

[greenlex]

About 4 teams in the world achieve this. Hibs will never be one.

We made that mistake when we had a good side that finished 3rd and were still suffering for that.

It should still be an aim. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. Remember this interview is half an hour after the window is shut. I’ll however add it’s most probably almost a throw away number used to imply stability rather than actual goal. Won’t stop the negativity tho. Damned if they do say something damned if they don’t .

[Caversham Green]

Why does that stop them going out on loan to play football? Paid the same amount and actually try and take your career somewhere. Kenneh especially at his age.

That's what puzzles me. Why would a professional footballer not want to play first team football with the potential to advance their career? Laziness? Or do they still think they can break into the first team at Hibs?

Probably different for each individual, but I know if I had the (perceived) ability and had worked hard enough to be a player at a top flight club I'd be in the second category.

[greenlex]

They have contracts.

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They’d still be paid. I don’t understand the mentality of training with the kids and little football. Their choice

[ChuckNor]

Because they don’t want to give up tens of thousands of pounds to do so. Simple as that. And I don’t think they are taking the piss out of the club, it’s down to our own mismanagement.

It’s one thing that McKay can’t be criticised for. It’s a problem he’s inherited and I think we’ve actually done well to move quite a few in. Concern for me is that we’ll just sign more that don’t really contribute and we’re trying to move on in the nex 18 months or so.

But the point is if they go on loan they don’t have to give up any of their wage. The club splits their wage bill with the club they go on loan to. Their decision to stay at hibs and play no first team football hampers their next move. Will clubs in England or Scotland take a punt on Kenneh or JDH after a year in the reserves/nearly two years no first team football?

[The Modfather]

But the point is if they go on loan they don’t have to give up any of their wage. The club splits their wage bill with the club they go on loan to. Their decision to stay at hibs and play no first team football hampers their next move. Will clubs in England or Scotland take a punt on Kenneh or JDH after a year in the reserves/nearly two years no first team football?

We signed Bursic having played little to no football over the last few years.

[hibee-boys]

Final score for using the word 'obviously' in a football interview: Adam 9 Malky 7.
Yes, I kept count. Obviously. :greengrin

Question is, did the word ‘absolutely’ trump the number of obviously’s?🤔

[SON OF PADDY]

I really enjoyed listening to that interview. Can only imagine how hard it is to conduct that much business in a window.

I get frustrated about things I know very little about as a supporter,these guys are dealing with real human beings who either need to play/work/earn and it’s a duty to see everyone is looked after properly.

We can deduce all we want from afar but the reality is we’ve had a pretty decent first window under the current sporting director,communicated well what has happened and how we have liaised with the coaches to bring what we need with the funds we have identified by the recruitment team.

We can debate how well they studied the market sure,even make suggestions. And ultimately challenge whether players brought in and ones that left were the correct decisions.
I’d say for starters all the outs were over and above what I may have thought would happen in a window,and we have no idea the cost of covering that so I won’t speculate.
Would myself as a supporter wanted more spent on defence and a midfielder? Ofcourse possibly even a goalie permanent,but looking at it I think we’ve done pretty well, even thinking the season may be a bit rough I will be scrutinising where we have done well here.

I’m a huge fan of the job Malky is doing and I totally trust in his football ethos. SDG will need time and we will need patience. (Not to say my posts tomorrow will opposite of this after a potential bad result) but I think this is my rational and true overall opinion.

Let’s dig in and come together here,I think all the squabbles hinder us making true progress.

GGTTH 💪🏻


Well said, that man. 👏🏻👏🏻

[GreenCastle]

Bringing in a couple of players each window suggests stability,an environment I hope he achieves.

I think this is the issue some fans have - of course as a sound bite it sounds good to the many fans and owners but in reality it’s very hard to do.

If we sign loan players and short term contracts then we will need to bring new players in again the next summer.

If we sign crap players..no names mentioned then we just repeat the cycle of the last few years.

I get the let’s be careful approach to get the right player / character but as it’s something we have had issues with (leadership), the fans are wanting to see that on the pitch - so far this season it’s been to hard to even tell who the captain is of the team if they didn’t have an armband on.

I will use McGinn as an example - he regularly dragged Hibs through games and raised the levels. Now I get the SJM was a rare occurrence but I also feel we have too many stats based players and vanilla players and not enough mavericks who make us interesting to watch.

I really hope the recruitment this summer is a takes time to settle situation but there are definitely question marks currently in key positions mainly defensively and midfield. If we continue to leak goals MM and Gray will have questions to be asked of them - especially as both were defenders when they played and Marshall was wanting these keepers.

[The Captain....]

It's all just a cosy boys club of mates blowing smoke up each other's *****.

Meanwhile the glaring inadequacies in the first team aren't addressed with quality over quantity.

More wind and jam tomorrow pish.


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[Alfred E Newman]

It should still be an aim. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. Remember this interview is half an hour after the window is shut. I’ll however add it’s most probably almost a throw away number used to imply stability rather than actual goal. Won’t stop the negativity tho. Damned if they do say something damned if they don’t .

Of course it should. It's the wholesale signing of 10 or 12 players every window that has created the bloated and imbalanced squad that we have. Different times but both Jock Stein and Eddie Turnbull came in, assessed the squad and added the 2 or 3 players that were needed to improve team. I appreciate that the loan system enables clubs like ours to bring in players that they otherwise couldn't afford but it does nothing to create long term stability or success.

[JimBHibees]

I really enjoyed listening to that interview. Can only imagine how hard it is to conduct that much business in a window.

I get frustrated about things I know very little about as a supporter,these guys are dealing with real human beings who either need to play/work/earn and it’s a duty to see everyone is looked after properly.

We can deduce all we want from afar but the reality is we’ve had a pretty decent first window under the current sporting director,communicated well what has happened and how we have liaised with the coaches to bring what we need with the funds we have identified by the recruitment team.

We can debate how well they studied the market sure,even make suggestions. And ultimately challenge whether players brought in and ones that left were the correct decisions.
I’d say for starters all the outs were over and above what I may have thought would happen in a window,and we have no idea the cost of covering that so I won’t speculate.
Would myself as a supporter wanted more spent on defence and a midfielder? Ofcourse possibly even a goalie permanent,but looking at it I think we’ve done pretty well, even thinking the season may be a bit rough I will be scrutinising where we have done well here.

I’m a huge fan of the job Malky is doing and I totally trust in his football ethos. SDG will need time and we will need patience. (Not to say my posts tomorrow will opposite of this after a potential bad result) but I think this is my rational and true overall opinion.

Let’s dig in and come together here,I think all the squabbles hinder us making true progress.

GGTTH 💪🏻

Totally agree with this nothing at all wrong with having an opinion and expressing concerns however relentlessly criticising everything and everyone while not really giving a new coaching group and new players a proper chance is a little depressing.

[Just_Jimmy]

Of course it should. It's the wholesale signing of 10 or 12 players every window that has created the bloated and imbalanced squad that we have. Different times but both Jock Stein and Eddie Turnbull came in, assessed the squad and added the 2 or 3 players that were needed to improve team. I appreciate that the loan system enables clubs like ours to bring in players that they otherwise couldn't afford but it does nothing to create long term stability or success.Turnbull and Stein managed at a time when it was a first 11 and some extras. Squads now are huge.

It's beyond ridiculous

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[JimBHibees]

Why does that stop them going out on loan to play football? Paid the same amount and actually try and take your career somewhere. Kenneh especially at his age.

Absolutely makes no sense

[He's here!]

It should still be an aim. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. Remember this interview is half an hour after the window is shut. I’ll however add it’s most probably almost a throw away number used to imply stability rather than actual goal. Won’t stop the negativity tho. Damned if they do say something damned if they don’t .

I agree it's something any club should aspire to. The multiple signings per season is actually a relatively recent thing (at least for those of us who've been watching football since the 70s). Back in the day you'd get one, maybe two new faces in the summer and occasional signings during the season. Bosman obviously changed things but it still doesn't mean we should be ripping up and starting again every season if we want stability/success.

If the norm is to sign the equivalent of a new team every window why do clubs bother with a youth system? For me that's where we (and most other Scottish top flight clubs fail, as confirmed by a recent survey). It seems a waste of money and resources if such a tiny percentage of young players get any game time.

[JimBHibees]

We signed Bursic having played little to no football over the last few years.

Obviously a judgement made he was a hugely promising young keeper who had played over 50 games at Championship level in England and had been recently injured.

[JimBHibees]

I hope we have learned from these mistakes. Giving the unknown Kenneh a big contract is still hurting us. And I don't know what JDH's situation is. I think he was a Jack Ross signing. I can't remember who signed Kenneh.

Kenneh wasn’t really unknown he was a regular in Leeds u23 team and had been in their match day squad for a couple of epl matches. Think LJ signed him.

[babahibs]

Question is, did the word ‘absolutely’ trump the number of obviously’s?🤔

Absolutely

[Cooshed Kid]

I thought what MM said was well-considered and sufficiently convincing for me that he knows what he's on about. Getting the right characters into the team is super important. What I loathed about our lacklustre Hampden capitulations, especially the Cup Final with St J, was the total lack of character displayed, the absence of fight, what was described by commentators as "not turning up" or still being "somewhere on the M8". No Celtic team would have performed like that. It's not in their DNA. Most teams would have risen to the occasion like the Saints. We did the opposite. We need to redesign ourselves from the ground up to cast that spiritlessness off for ever. Of course, we need to see MM and SDG bring results on the pitch, but if it takes another year and a couple of windows for the Hibs' elves to turn an unlovely scrapyard relic into Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, I'm willing to give them that time. I hope I'll still be around to see it fly.

[Crab apple]

Kenneh wasn’t really unknown he was a regular in Leeds u23 team and had been in their match day squad for a couple of epl matches. Think LJ signed him.

I think he was unknown to most of us and had no first team experience.

[One Day Soon]

It's all just a cosy boys club of mates blowing smoke up each other's *****.

Meanwhile the glaring inadequacies in the first team aren't addressed with quality over quantity.

More wind and jam tomorrow pish.


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Ach, you're just a pink bus boy or something.

[InvertedFullBak]

I thought what MM said was well-considered and sufficiently convincing for me that he knows what he's on about. Getting the right characters into the team is super important. What I loathed about our lacklustre Hampden capitulations, especially the Cup Final with St J, was the total lack of character displayed, the absence of fight, what was described by commentators as "not turning up" or still being "somewhere on the M8". No Celtic team would have performed like that. It's not in their DNA. Most teams would have risen to the occasion like the Saints. We did the opposite. We need to redesign ourselves from the ground up to cast that spiritlessness off for ever. Of course, we need to see MM and SDG bring results on the pitch, but if it takes another year and a couple of windows for the Hibs' elves to turn an unlovely scrapyard relic into Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, I'm willing to give them that time. I hope I'll still be around to see it fly.

You touch on redesigning ourselves from the St Johnstone disaster but we haven’t. Since then we’ve handed out a good few of those guys new deals and Hanlon and Stevenson only left last year so many more disasters were witnessed.

The only way to avoid disasters like you mentioned was too bin the guys that participated in those game but we went the opposite way and kept a lot of them on for the foreseeable.

[Joe6-2]

Can’t make my mind up about that interview, but I don’t have much faith in him, Gordon or Kensall, really surprised BKs not mentioned.
Anyway we carry on today, c’mon Hibees

[Cooshed Kid]

You touch on redesigning ourselves from the St Johnstone disaster but we haven’t. Since then we’ve handed out a good few of those guys new deals and Hanlon and Stevenson only left last year so many more disasters were witnessed.

The only way to avoid disasters like you mentioned was too bin the guys that participated in those game but we went the opposite way and kept a lot of them on for the foreseeable.

You're right and things absolutely must change, but that was not on MM's watch. He started on 1st June.