Your realistic ambition for this season

[expresso]

Ideally given the change in players I would like a top 6 European place however merely staying up seems the height of my underwhelmed mood this morning.

[NC1875]

Scrape into top 6 will be the clubs ambitions. Like it’s some sort of achievement

[we are hibs]

8th again.

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[Coco Bryce]

Hibs have totally scunnered me to the point I really just don't care anymore.

The whole club is a shambles.

[Ozyhibby]

Between 6th and 8th


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[Musselbound]

It's early days so the ambition should still be a European place and a good run in the Scottish Cup. Is it realistic? Time will tell.

The gap between a top 6 spot and a European place is not very big. A good cup run could depend on the luck of the draw.

That said, we might not achieve either as I worry about the lack of continuity and uncertainty around who is running the club.

[Scottie]

Avoid relegation or a play off place. Love SDG & hoping he can get a tune out of this squad but guess time will tell. Not filled with any optimism after the window to see any changes to what we have seen so far.

[Not In The Know]

Just stop embarrassing our selves as a club.

Stop signing crap 💩 over paid players.
Stop letting in crap easily avoided late goals.
Stop playing the same midfield that has been mince for 3/4 years
Maybe win a big game.

Not much to ask really.

[Nicho87]

Bottom 6

Writing is on the wall

[Green-Hibee-7]

Time will tell. Prepared to give the new guys at the back time, but if you judge it on what we have saw so far and failing to improve further in that central area of midfield, I think we are looking at bottom 6 again.

As for what the ambition should be, it should be a minimum of 5th and challenging for 3rd and 4th.

[easty]

We’ll make top 6.

[TrinityHFC]

We’ll make top 6.

Agree. Our attacking options are as good as anyone. I believe the keeper and defence will settle down and I’m not as upset about our midfield as some. One more attacking player there would have been nice though.

[CallumHibs07]

Every season we seem to start so poor that 3rd place is gone almost immediately. 8 points behing Aberdeen after 3 games this time and absolutely no signs of closing the gap

Bottom 6 again

[DIXIHIBS]

I expect the team to gel and probably end up 4th or 5th.
I also expect every thread on this forum to end with extreme unwarranted criticism of anything Hibs.

👍👍

[LunasBoots]

7th, unless we have some sort of plan B lined up as a creative midfielder

[Box 17]

Bottom six and another new manager.

[The Captain....]

Realistically. bottom 6 looks likely.

I am astonished that we've not yet addressed the obvious huge weakness with the keepers we have. Defence , so far, looks nervous and prone to individual errors which all seem to have been punished.

Midfield..we have players capable of good performances but the lack of consistency and balance is a worry. It's very disjointed.

Happy enough with our forward options..looking forward to seeing more of Bowie.

I didn't really expect us to solve all our problems in one window but was hoping we'd learned and bring in some real quality in key positions thru the spine of the team. I don't think we've really improved the side much , if at all, on last season.





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[overdrive]

Can’t see any improvement on last season’s position. I don’t think we will be with a shout of top 6 in the run up to the split unlike last year.

[Eyrie]

There's plenty of football still to be played so I'm sticking with Europe as a realistic ambition for now.

If in a couple of months it transpires that at least two from Dundee, Dundee United, Kilmarnock, St Mirren and Motherwell are clearly better than us, then I'll start worrying about making top six.

But even then I'll be enjoying the rest of my life rather than getting depressed by the thought of yet another disappointing season for Hibs. Seen so many of those that I'm pretty much inured to them.

[whiskas]

Playoff spot followed by relegation. Our attacking options are actually pretty good now (Bowie looks like a find) but the issue is our midfield is largely non-existent and incapable of either servicing the strikers or protecting the defence and the defence looks worse than what was already one of the worst defences in the league last season.

[hibeez1875]

Switch to a 3-5-2 and top 6 … just

[ionahibby]

6th should be a realistic aim and go from there

[micksoo]

Our squad should achieve 3rd of 4th.

Strong depth and good competition for places.

This seasons new signings might take a few weeks to settle in then I think we will be flying.

That’s my ambition.

I wouldn’t swap our entire squad for any other team’s squad in the league outwith Celtic or Rangers. It’s now up to SDG to turn these quality players into a quality team.

[bingo70]

Avoiding relegation will be a good season for us this season imo.

[sleeping giant]

I honestly have no idea.
Not a slightest clue. Infact , I have no hope or expectation for this season 😅
Pretty sad really but it's clearly evident we are a mess from the top down.
Seriously needing to restructure how we go about things.

[Smartie]

Scraping into the top 6 should be cause for jubilation.

[Donegal Hibby]

Top six .

[GreenCastle]

Top 6 has become the new top 4 - shambles really.

In no order - Rangers - Celtic - Aberdeen - Hearts plus 2 will make top 6.

Hence why games against Killie / St Mirren / Dundee etc are important.

We need to start beating Aberdeen more often and Hearts as Old Firm games as shown are a foregone conclusion with the gulf in players / wages.

I worry about our keeper..actually both keepers…probably our worst signings.

Centre backs would be ok if they had a better keeper.

Midfield creativity is an issue.

Up front is fine but Myko needs to play more than 15 games. Bowie will be our best signing but need him to be match fit to start games soon.

Will be amazed if we get top 6 - can’t see us winning a game right now - hopefully proved wrong but if you leak goals you will always have to score at least 2 or 3.

If we continue to lose games then serious questions about all the management at the club - as manager / MM/ CEO etc will have a lot to answer for.

[greenlex]

We’ve signed 11 players. Top six minimum and pushing for Europe. If we don’t make top six then Gray needs to go as he’s been backed plenty. It’s as simple as that. There has to be an improvement from last season. I think we will

[Southernhibee]

Relegation this season and David Gray punted by Xmas

[The Modfather]

Bottom 6 but hopefully clear of a playoff battle. While Rudi & Bowie establish themselves and the new man, whenever that is, can build a team around them.

[Steve20]

Between 7th and 10th.

Shambles, as with proper recruitment, we should be aiming for 3rd each year. But there is just no ambition by the club to be a success on the pitch.

[Alfred E Newman]

If we are still in this league at the end of the season without getting involved in any play off nonsense that will be a success sadly.

[MWHIBBIES]

If Bowie and Myko can get 15 goals each, we'll be just fine, probably 5th.

If they don't take their chances, we could be in bother.

[bingo70]

Relegation this season and David Gray punted by Xmas

****in hell, if that’s your ambition I dread to think of your worst case scenario.

[SHODAN]

We will do well to finish top six.

[Ronniekirk]

It’s all down to if he can sort of the defence over the next six games to give as a platform to build on will reserve an opinion till then and g e new players time to bed in and get match fit
But clearky as things stand we are struggling

[Smartie]

Between 7th and 10th.

Shambles, as with proper recruitment, we should be aiming for 3rd each year. But there is just no ambition by the club to be a success on the pitch.

I don't there's any problem with our ambition... I just think we're severely deficient in the sort of knowledge and ability it takes to deliver on our ambition.

[He's here!]

Avoiding being drawn into a relegation battle is the primary aim.

The jury's out on the majority of the signings. If they prove to be as ineffective as most of the post-Jack Ross signings we're in trouble.

What has hugely undermined us is going into the final week of the transfer window knowing that an attacking midfielder was essential and failing to land one. Some of here had me believing McCowan was a done deal and that he was keen to come to Hibs. All clearly untrue and why we didn't switch our attention elsewhere when there was still time is unfathomable.

[Southernhibee]

****in hell, if that’s your ambition I dread to think of your worst case scenario.

It could get worse if the BK group really take the hump and pull their funding. Not sure how possible that is but it just seems odd that there was no involvement from Foley as far as has been reported. A 6m black hole in funding would not be pretty.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I honestly have no idea.
Not a slightest clue. Infact , I have no hope or expectation for this season 😅
Pretty sad really but it's clearly evident we are a mess from the top down.
Seriously needing to restructure how we go about things.

This is where I am unfortunately. 😥

[TrinityHFC]

It could get worse if the BK group really take the hump and pull their funding. Not sure how possible that is but it just seems odd that there was no involvement from Foley as far as has been reported. A 6m black hole in funding would not be pretty.

They don’t fund us. They paid money for a share of the club.

[InvertedFullBak]

Realistically I think we can forget about the top 6 unless we scrape in at the last knockings like previous seasons.

Another summer transfer window and yet again we end up short of what we’re looking for , especially in midfield. We are only a few injuries away from the boy band midfield of Newell, Campbell and Doyle hayes which looks terrifying. A trio that’ve failed time and time in the past and wil continue to fail in the future.

it’s astonishing we went all that way on mccowan with no back up plan if it went south. As soon as Celtic showed an interest then why did they not pull away from deal instantly. We had no chance from then on in of getting him.

Kelty absolutely scunnered me and I was hoping we get a few in the window to improve things but it hasn’t.

Another dreadful season incoming.

[Phil MaGlass]

Ive got as much ambition as this club and that's F all. I'll be happy if we stay up. F,n pathetic.

[expresso]

Most Hibs thing ever welcome year 150 with relegation.

[Lago]

Scrape into top 6 will be the clubs ambitions. Like it’s some sort of achievement
Agree, anything more is a bonus

[Tambo]

I'm struggling to see us anywhere near 3rd/4th as things stand, I know it's early doors, still many points to play for and we have a good attack, we need the whole team to perform on a consistent basis.

Top 6 would be an improvement on last season, if we don't get 4/6 points before the Huns then take a heavy beating I'll maybe be hoping for bottom 6.

[H18S NX]

8th possibly lower,not confident at all,sorry.

[McGruber]

We’ve signed 11 players. Top six minimum and pushing for Europe. If we don’t make top six then Gray needs to go as he’s been backed plenty. It’s as simple as that. There has to be an improvement from last season. I think we will

Yeah. Up against teams with far less resources and budget. Spent quite a bit, new manager bringing in 11 players. Ambition should be 3rd but with the gap from last season couldn't argue with 4th and Europe. 5th or lower isn't an ambition.

It's a different question to where people think we'll end up of course. Undecided on that just now until I see more of the new players

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

4th. Aberdeen getting 3rd.

[Hibees1973]

We look a mess defensively.

8th.

[HendoDelivered]

Honestly unsure. I think we’ll be doing well to scrape into the top six, and I’m usually pretty positive about things, but no quite happy clapper material.

[cabbageandribs1875]

6th will be progress

[Spike Mandela]

Realistically, don't get relegated.

[lyonhibs]

Progress, top 6. Not to view home games against the OF as just a chance to lube up and take a humping. Beat Hearts.

[Pretty Boy]

The quality of the league has regressed so much in recent years that even a poor Hibs side should be pushing for top 5. Dundee were 6th last season and they were pretty dreadful most times I saw them and were crap last week as well. Organised crap but crap all the same.

I don't think we have it in us to be the best of a bad bunch as Aberdeen were under Robson when they somehow got 3rd. Realistically there are 10 teams in our league who can find themselves in bother if they get stuck in a rut and we are one of that 10. The inability to keep the ball out the net was our big problem last season and so far it doesn't look like an issue we have resolved.

I'd want top 6 but realistically I think we'll be 7th, 8th or 9th. Our ability to score goals will only dig us out so often but it will be often enough, as was the case last season.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

I would be surprised if we do any better than last season. We still seem to have players while other sides have teams.

[Southernhibee]

They don’t fund us. They paid money for a share of the club.

Agreed but Foley invested in 15% of shares and will invest a 7 figure sum into the club. By my reading of that the 7 figure sun is over and above the share purchase.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

The quality of the league has regressed so much in recent years that even a poor Hibs side should be pushing for top 5.

This point makes the current situation that we find ourselves in so much worse, the standard outside of Celtic has never been lower.

[B.H.F.C]

Nae idea.

I think we’ll score plenty but it’ll count for little too often because we don’t look to have improved the other things that needed improved.

Rotten as last season was you were really only 2 or 3 wins away from a European place. The league is that tight and the odd good run here and there is all you really need.

In answer to the question, I have no idea what to expect.

[Hibs1992]

I expect the team to gel and probably end up 4th or 5th.
I also expect every thread on this forum to end with extreme unwarranted criticism of anything Hibs.

I would be absolutely stunned if Hibs finished 4th with this squad. Would love to be wrong but think we will be closer to 10th than 4th

[TrinityHFC]

Agreed but Foley invested in 15% of shares and will invest a 7 figure sum into the club. By my reading of that the 7 figure sun is over and above the share purchase.

They paid for about 25% of the club. They haven’t provided any other funding other than paying for their shares.

[Keith_M]

I think the OP asked what our realistic ambition was, not a prediction of where we think Hibs will finish.

With that in mind, I think a realistic ambition is to at least be challenging for 4th place.

[Bostonhibby]

Giant foam hands and American style cheerleaders, hospitality rammed full of folk that would normally be in a pub round ER, somewhere around 9th or 10th in the league.



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[Keith_M]

Giant foam hands and American style cheerleaders.

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[Chorley Hibee]

The Gordon family to sell up and Kensell be relieved of his duties.

[Bridge hibs]

Ive got as much ambition as this club and that's F all. I'll be happy if we stay up. F,n pathetic.

Yet here you are posting daily, your not the only one, I wont be back, Im playing golf now etc, no need to announce it just **** off quietly 👍

[Is It On....]

Between 6th and 8th


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I think Aberdeen are favourites for 3rd...so anywhere between 4th and 8th.

[chrisski33]

9th. Im not sure where some believe we can get into the top 6 with this squad even 3rd or 4th as mentioned.

[1875M]

Head says Bottom 6 and Gray won’t last the season. Heart says 5/6th, and a decent Scottish cup run.

[Bostonhibby]

I think Aberdeen are favourites for 3rd...so anywhere between 4th and 8th.Nisbet signing is game changing, that should ensure 3rd for them.

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[Donegal Hibby]

9th. Im not sure where some believe we can get into the top 6 with this squad even 3rd or 4th as mentioned.

The season we finished 5th in the draw against hertz where we needed a win to finish 4th our team was ….

Marshall.

Miller .
Fish .
Hanlon .
Stevenson .

Cadden.
Jeggo .
JDH .
Newell.
Youan .

Nisbet.

Is our team any worse than that one ? Or better now ? . And have we now possibly got a stronger bench now too ?

[B.H.F.C]

Nisbet signing is game changing, that should ensure 3rd for them.

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I don’t think Nisbet is a game changer for them. He’ll not do any better than Miovski.

What changes things is that they have a good goalie and will keep clean sheets. They won’t score many more than us this season but they won’t lose a goal every half an hour either.

[Bostonhibby]

I don’t think Nisbet is a game changer for them. He’ll not do any better than Miovski.

What changes things is that they have a good goalie and will keep clean sheets. They won’t score many more than us this season but they won’t lose a goal every half an hour either.I'm thinking about changing where they were, if he is fit, and motivated then looking at where their immediate rivals are he could well fly. They weren't 3rd last season.

I'm not factoring Miovski in, he's gone. Doubt hearts have improved and we feel worse but delighted to be proven wrong.

Best of the rest for me look to be Motherwell.

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[IberianHibernian]

I think the OP asked what our realistic ambition was, not a prediction of where we think Hibs will finish.

With that in mind, I think a realistic ambition is to at least be challenging for 4th place.Yes. Think think most folk are giving prediction and not realistic ambition . A realistic ambition has to be at least 4th in league and even 3rd if there is no strong team like Shankland - led Hearts last year but that doesn`t mean finishing lower is seen as a complete failure if there are signs of progress eg young players making an impact , attractive football appreciated by fans , connection between fans and club etc Prediction ? There are 10 teams in a league of 12 which are more or less of the same level ( in fact current Rangers team will probably drop a lot of points to teams lower than them , they already have against a terrible Hearts team ) so we could finish anywhere between 3rd and 12th . I´m not as pessimistic as many here about our transfer window and think we could still have a good season ( top 4 or better and some memorable games - we`ve had far too few memorable games in last few years ) but I don`t know much about other teams in our league ( most of us here will be the same ) so I suppose it`ll be like last 5 years - top 6 by luck or bottom 6 by bad luck . Hopefully a cup win will compensate for any bad league season .

[chrisski33]

The season we finished 5th in the draw against hertz where we needed a win to finish 4th our team was ….

Marshall.

Miller .
Fish .
Hanlon .
Stevenson .

Cadden.
Jeggo .
JDH .
Newell.
Youan .

Nisbet.

Is our team any worse than that one ? Or better now ? . And have we now possibly got a stronger bench now too ?
Neither better or worse. Just don't see them finishing in the top 6

[Trinity Hibee]

I’d take top 6 right now which says it all really.

[Donegal Hibby]

Neither better or worse. Just don't see them finishing in the top 6

You’re entitled to your opinion mate though I think we have improved the team / squad since then , even our bench that day was poor in we had … Cabraja , Devlin , Henderson , Mckirdy , Campbell , Delferriere, Hoppe ,Johnston and Rocky .

Honestly don’t see the other teams in the league we are competing with having any better of a team than we have which is why I think we will be in the mix for 4th or 5th this season.

[chrisski33]

You’re entitled to your opinion mate though I think we have improved the team / squad since then , even our bench that day was poor in we had … Cabraja , Devlin , Henderson , Mckirdy , Campbell , Delferriere, Hoppe ,Johnston and Rocky .

Honestly don’t see the other teams in the league we are competing with having any better of a team than we have which is why I think we will be in the mix for 4th or 5th this season.

Lol your funny

[WestStandWillie]

7th and a work in progress. I just hope we give SDG a chance and don’t sack him if we hit a poor run of form.

[Caversham Green]

Top six, but not much more.

We're a point better off than we were this time last season despite having played Celtic this time round, and we missed out on the top six by one point last time.

We're not great, but we're not as bad as some are making out. I'm hoping the defence in particular just need a bit of time to gel.

[Cooshed Kid]

Fighting for 5th or 6th, probably a few dozen points behind Aberdeen and Celtic.

[hibee-boys]

I don’t think Kilmarnock and Dundee will be as strong as last year. Aberdeen look a better outfit so I suspect they’ll a shoe in for top 6. I’m going to see that we’ll sneak in at 6th behind the old firm, Aberdeen, Hearts and St Mirren.

[The Harp Awakes]

To finish top 6, we'll need outperform the likes of Dundee, Kilmarnock and St Mirren. Based on where we are now that looks unlikely.

Looks like a 7-9th place finish for me, which of course would be be completely unacceptable.

[Gatecrasher]

I’d take top 6 right now which says it all really.

I'd take a comfertable bottom 6 finish if I'm being honest. I'll see how things go today, but sadly I don't think SDG will last long and we'll be scrambling for yet another manager.

I'd normally go into a season asking for a top 4 or 5 finish and a good go at a cup but that's not going to happen.

[JohnM1875]

To finish top 6, we'll need outperform the likes of Dundee, Kilmarnock and St Mirren. Based on where we are now that looks unlikely.

Looks like a 7-9th place finish for me, which of course would be be completely unacceptable.

We'll find out more today I suppose as that'll mean we've played all three teams, two away from home. A win today will lift spirits again I reckon.

[hibsbollah]

We'll find out more today I suppose as that'll mean we've played all three teams, two away from home. A win today will lift spirits again I reckon.

I would be grudgingly satisfied with a draw today, and for that to be my mood against a team like Kilmarnock who we should be beating more often than not shows the state we’re currently in.

I think we will be bottom half, so id consider roundabout sixth to be consolidation and will have meant Gray is learning his craft reasonably well.

[Pagan Hibernia]

We won't get relegated.

Aside from that I've no idea but I'm certain it won't be pretty.

[Northernhibee]

Avoiding the relegation play off places. I’d fear for us if we were having to battle for top flight survival.

[B.H.F.C]

We won't get relegated.

Aside from that I've no idea but I'm certain it won't be pretty.

That’s how I see it. Loads of teams can beat each other and you don’t even need to be terribly consistent to end up in a European place. The difference between a decent end result and a terrible one will likely come down to a couple of extra wins.

We do badly need to win today though.

[lucky]

We’ve got great attacking options but look weak at the back especially the GK. Hoping for top 5 but wouldn’t be surprised if we finish 12th and Gray is sacked by Christmas.

[Hibeewilly]

I don’t think Nisbet is a game changer for them. He’ll not do any better than Miovski.

What changes things is that they have a good goalie and will keep clean sheets. They won’t score many more than us this season but they won’t lose a goal every half an hour either.
Looking at our goalie, I'd be looking to bring Marshall out of retirement asap. Our defence at the moment is woeful so unless the centre halves start to gel and Obita improves massively we'll be in a relegation battle. You can have all the firepower upfront but if you're constantly losing a couple of goals in most games you're doomed. Nisbet will score a barrowload for Aberdeen this season, he's a player who can create goals out of nothing for himself and is not solely reliant on assists.

[MWHIBBIES]

Looking at our goalie, I'd be looking to bring Marshall out of retirement asap. Our defence at the moment is woeful so unless the centre halves start to gel and Obita improves massively we'll be in a relegation battle. You can have all the firepower upfront but if you're constantly losing a couple of goals in most games you're doomed. Nisbet will score a barrowload for Aberdeen this season, he's a player who can create goals out of nothing for himself and is not solely reliant on assists.

Marshall was utter crap too. Solves nothing.

[Paul1642]

Call me a happy clapper but 4th is on. Aberdeen are on a role but if we win today the rest haven’t even gained on us despite a poor start and a game again Celtic.

[Hibeewilly]

Marshall was utter crap too. Solves nothing.
He's had his dodgy moments for sure but is far better than we've got IMO.

[Frazerbob]

I would be delighted with the following and don't believe any are out with our capabilities.....

Couple of Derby wins
Top 6 and challenging for top 4
Hampden trip.....as long as we avoid the Infirm in the draws

[Frazerbob]

Call me a happy clapper but 4th is on. Aberdeen are on a role but if we win today the rest haven’t even gained on us despite a poor start and a game again Celtic.

Aberdeen are on a roll thanks to the easiest start to a season possible. League Cup group wins, St Mirren & Killie at home a few days after both had away Euro games, no Old Firm opponents til the end of the 1st round of fixtures. That's enabling them to build a head of steam and a feel good factor withing the team & support and will set them up for a good season.

[Since90+2]

I don't see any side, with the possible exception of Aberdeen but they've had an easy start, who we can't reasonably potentially finish above. Hearts look absolutely terrible.

That being said I don't think there is much between any of the sides outside the usual two. We could finish anywhere from 3rd to 10th and nothing would surprise me.

[Jim44]

I’d settle for 5th or 6th, 7th or 8th more likely, bottom 2 not out of the question.

[Paul1642]

I don't see any side, with the possible exception of Aberdeen but they've had an easy start, who we can't reasonably potentially finish above. Hearts look absolutely terrible.

That being said I don't think there is much between any of the sides outside the usual two. We could finish anywhere from 3rd to 10th and nothing would surprise me.

It’s the same as every other season. We don’t Actually have to be particularly good to come 3rd - 5th. We just have to be decent.

If this squad plays to 70% of their potential we will easy come top 6. The problem is we currently aren’t but there is nothing to stop that changing.

[MWHIBBIES]

He's had his dodgy moments for sure but is far better than we've got IMO.

Na, he's not. An utter liability for 2 years he was.

[Lancs Harp]

I'd just like to see a progression, im not expecting us to be pulling any trees up, but its about time the fog of the last couple of seasons at least began to lift and we can see a direction. Cant see us being embroiled in a relegation battle but having said that at present i cant see us claiming a European place either. Early days yet of course. Hopefully get a top 6 finish which should be the minimum target every season.

There's always the cup!!