Manse Road bus gate

[Trinity Hibee]

Late to the party here but I’ve been hit with a “bus gate” fine today for using Manse Road 2 weeks on my way from work a couple of weeks ago. Got a new job which involves me travelling through this way which I hadn’t done for years so had no idea about this. Have made the same journey on way home from work a couple of times since so expect I’ll get a couple of more letters.

The photo does show a green grid at the lights but by that point the only way I can go is left or right and when you get to a junction you expect to be able to cross it, at least I do.

When I looked online i see this has been a massive issue for locals and they’ve challenged it with the council although it’s been knocked back. What a nonsense this “bus gate” is, I’ve never known an entire junction to be unusable because of a bus lane.

[BILLYHIBS]

Took in 100k in 2 months

[CropleyWasGod]

Late to the party here but I’ve been hit with a “bus gate” fine today for using Manse Road 2 weeks on my way from work a couple of weeks ago. Got a new job which involves me travelling through this way which I hadn’t done for years so had no idea about this. Have made the same journey on way home from work a couple of times since so expect I’ll get a couple of more letters.

The photo does show a green grid at the lights but by that point the only way I can go is left or right and when you get to a junction you expect to be able to cross it, at least I do.

When I looked online i see this has been a massive issue for locals and they’ve challenged it with the council although it’s been knocked back. What a nonsense this “bus gate” is, I’ve never known an entire junction to be unusable because of a bus lane.

It's only restricted at certain times of the day, no?

[Trinity Hibee]

It's only restricted at certain times of the day, no?

Aye peak times. 8-10am and 2.45-6.30pm I’ve read this evening

[speedy_gonzales]

The photo does show a green grid at the lights but by that point the only way I can go is left or right and when you get to a junction you expect to be able to cross it, at least I do.
AFAIK, you can do a U-turn right up until the lights.
Although Manse Rd was one-way for as long as I can remember it was changed a year ago to allow folk who missed all the signage to escape via Featherhall Terrace.



When I looked online i see this has been a massive issue for locals and they’ve challenged it with the council although it’s been knocked back. What a nonsense this “bus gate” is, I’ve never known an entire junction to be unusable because of a bus lane.
Maybe it's fatigue but the issue isn't as massive or as widespread as the vocal minority will have you believe.
Since the introduction, the road around the school has been quieter (other roads slightly busier as you'd expect with displaced traffic), that seems to have been welcomed by the local parents.

[Scouse Hibee]

AFAIK, you can do a U-turn right up until the lights.
Although Make Rd was one-way for as long as I can remember it was changed a year ago to allow folk who missed all the signage to escape via Featherhall Terrace.


Maybe it's fatigue but the issue isn't as massive or as widespread as the vocal minority will have you believe.
Since the introduction, the road around the school has been quieter (other roads slightly busier as you'd expect with displaced traffic), that seems to have been welcomed by the local parents.

The local parents who all drive their little darlings to school and cause chaos around the streets. The displaced traffic is causing massive problems particularly at Station Road and Pinkhill. Numerous accidents at those junctions as folk attempt to turn right. As a resident of Corstorphine I think the bus gate is a total shambles.

[speedy_gonzales]

The local parents who all drive their little darlings to school and cause chaos around the streets. The displaced traffic is causing massive problems particularly at Station Road and Pinkhill. Numerous accidents at those junctions as folk attempt to turn right. As a resident of Corstorphine I think the bus gate is a total shambles.

I did say local parents.
Unfortunately, Corstorphine PS has a ridiculous catchment area (much like Craigmount HS), with folk at the extremities (like Maybury area) that will more than likely opt to drive.
That being said, having lived in the area for 20+ years I always felt the majority of traffic on Manse Rd was there avoiding Drum Brae. Manse Rd just wasn't fit for large amounts of traffic. Just because it happened for decades didn't make it right.
Under the guise of a "bus gate" the council have restricted access during busy peak times. Being a relative narrow road at the bottom with narrower pavements I find it difficult to argue against the measures.

[Trinity Hibee]

AFAIK, you can do a U-turn right up until the lights.
Although Manse Rd was one-way for as long as I can remember it was changed a year ago to allow folk who missed all the signage to escape via Featherhall Terrace.


Maybe it's fatigue but the issue isn't as massive or as widespread as the vocal minority will have you believe.
Since the introduction, the road around the school has been quieter (other roads slightly busier as you'd expect with displaced traffic), that seems to have been welcomed by the local parents.

Good to know about the u turn. Obviously well used to bus lanes but not used to approaching a junction where you can only go left or right and then not being able to go through. It’s not exactly the same as a usual bus lane setup

[Scouse Hibee]

I did say local parents.
Unfortunately, Corstorphine PS has a ridiculous catchment area (much like Craigmount HS), with folk at the extremities (like Maybury area) that will more than likely opt to drive.
That being said, having lived in the area for 20+ years I always felt the majority of traffic on Manse Rd was there avoiding Drum Brae. Manse Rd just wasn't fit for large amounts of traffic. Just because it happened for decades didn't make it right.
Under the guise of a "bus gate" the council have restricted access during busy peak times. Being a relative narrow road at the bottom with narrower pavements I find it difficult to argue against the measures.

Having lived in Corstorphine for 32 years and frequented Manse Road regularly for my son’s time at Corstorphine PS I genuinely never felt there was that much of an issue at Manse Road and thankfully do not know of any accidents that have occurred there in all of that time. I have seen the aftermath of several collisions at the other points I have mentioned since the introduction of the “bus gate” though. That being said I have little sympathy for the locals who constantly complain on social media about being fined when the restrictions have been well publicised and in my opinion are adequately signposted. The Corstorphine vigilante who on several occasions has cut down the camera isn’t me……….honest! 😀

[silverhibee]

Having lived in Corstorphine for 32 years and frequented Manse Road regularly for my son’s time at Corstorphine PS I genuinely never felt there was that much of an issue at Manse Road and thankfully do not know of any accidents that have occurred there in all of that time. I have seen the aftermath of several collisions at the other points I have mentioned since the introduction of the “bus gate” though. That being said I have little sympathy for the locals who constantly complain on social media about being fined when the restrictions have been well publicised and in my opinion are adequately signposted. The Corstorphine vigilante who on several occasions has cut down the camera isn’t me……….honest! 😀

After getting caught the 2nd time it had to go. :greengrin



















Only kidding admins.

[heretoday]

Having lived in Corstorphine for 32 years and frequented Manse Road regularly for my son’s time at Corstorphine PS I genuinely never felt there was that much of an issue at Manse Road and thankfully do not know of any accidents that have occurred there in all of that time. I have seen the aftermath of several collisions at the other points I have mentioned since the introduction of the “bus gate” though. That being said I have little sympathy for the locals who constantly complain on social media about being fined when the restrictions have been well publicised and in my opinion are adequately signposted. The Corstorphine vigilante who on several occasions has cut down the camera isn’t me……….honest! 😀

That narrow pavement is a potential death trap.

[Scouse Hibee]

That narrow pavement is a potential death trap.

Hear that a lot but don’t ever recall any issues.

[silverhibee]

Know what annoys me about it, it was obviously put there for the school as it was a nightmare to get up at school times as not everyone parks there car next to the pavement, but the school is closed and bairns all gone by 4 o’clock so why not open it at 4.15, as that road is a nightmare from 4 onwards until back of 6, I have seen myself sitting in a queue at 5 o’clock backed up towards the pub trying to get to Tesco.

And if traffic wardens should be at Corstorphine Road ticketing the repeat offenders who park in the bus lane or red lines at peak times, the ones parked outside Subway are so annoying.

[CropleyWasGod]

Know what annoys me about it, it was obviously put there for the school as it was a nightmare to get up at school times as not everyone parks there car next to the pavement, but the school is closed and bairns all gone by 4 o’clock so why not open it at 4.15, as that road is a nightmare from 4 onwards until back of 6, I have seen myself sitting in a queue at 5 o’clock backed up towards the pub trying to get to Tesco.

And if traffic wardens should be at Corstorphine Road ticketing the repeat offenders who park in the bus lane or red lines at peak times, the ones parked outside Subway are so annoying.

AIUI, this is an experimental period, and they should :rolleyes: be listening to people's experiences. Suggestions like yours sound sensible to me... so maybe find out how you can communicate it?

[LaMotta]

Having lived in Corstorphine for 32 years and frequented Manse Road regularly for my son’s time at Corstorphine PS I genuinely never felt there was that much of an issue at Manse Road and thankfully do not know of any accidents that have occurred there in all of that time. I have seen the aftermath of several collisions at the other points I have mentioned since the introduction of the “bus gate” though. That being said I have little sympathy for the locals who constantly complain on social media about being fined when the restrictions have been well publicised and in my opinion are adequately signposted. The Corstorphine vigilante who on several occasions has cut down the camera isn’t me……….honest! 😀

Spot on.

The bus gate is meant to be helping create a low traffic neighbourhood. Its doing the opposite, generating higher traffic and more dangerous situations in a number of other streets. Station Road, Pink Hill, Corstorphine High Street and Meadowplace Road are all far more congested now regularly.

Fearherhall avenue is far busier (as the only way out of that area) with regular standoffs between cars on that blind bend. Corstorphine Park Gardens had turned into a rat run with people flying round that street. And the streets leading to Pinkhill such as Traquair Park and Meadowhouse Road are far busier.

And Manse Road for a short length only is one of three different routes for people walking into the School - making that quieter is fine but there are now more cars at the High Street entrance and just as many going about Featherhall.

Hopefully with Councillor Arthur now becoming an MP someone else will be able to sort out the mess he has arrogantly created.

[SteveHFC]

Spot on.

The bus gate is meant to be helping create a low traffic neighbourhood. Its doing the opposite, generating higher traffic and more dangerous situations in a number of other streets. Station Road, Pink Hill, Corstorphine High Street and Meadowplace Road are all far more congested now regularly.

Fearherhall avenue is far busier (as the only way out of that area) with regular standoffs between cars on that blind bend. Corstorphine Park Gardens had turned into a rat run with people flying round that street. And the streets leading to Pinkhill such as Traquair Park and Meadowhouse Road are far busier.

And Manse Road for a short length only is one of three different routes for people walking into the School - making that quieter is fine but there are now more cars at the High Street entrance and just as many going about Featherhall.

Hopefully with Councillor Arthur now becoming an MP someone else will be able to sort out the mess he has arrogantly created.

Stephen Jenkinson who was Cllr Arthur election agent now in charge.

[LaMotta]

Stephen Jenkinson who was Cllr Arthur election agent now in charge.

Not a good sign!

[Trinity Hibee]

Thanks all. Have challenged it but I can’t say I’m hopeful. What has also annoyed me the fact it took just under 2 weeks to get the fine. I’ve used the same route 2 or 3 times over the last 10 days time which I wouldn’t have done had I known.

Still maintain signage isn’t the clearest but the whole layout of it is completely irregular to the standard bus lanes around Edinburgh. The whole concept is very odd

[speedy_gonzales]

Hopefully with Councillor Arthur now becoming an MP someone else will be able to sort out the mess he has arrogantly created.

He wouldn't be slow in telling you that he inherited the plan and was neither the master not the architect (technically, he isn't wrong).

[silverhibee]

Thanks all. Have challenged it but I can’t say I’m hopeful. What has also annoyed me the fact it took just under 2 weeks to get the fine. I’ve used the same route 2 or 3 times over the last 10 days time which I wouldn’t have done had I known.

Still maintain signage isn’t the clearest but the whole layout of it is completely irregular to the standard bus lanes around Edinburgh. The whole concept is very odd

I appealed one and sent pictures of the signs with spray paint on them, lost it.

[Scouse Hibee]

I appealed one and sent pictures of the signs with spray paint on them, lost it.

So you then cut the camera down……..fair enough 😀

[Trinity Hibee]

So you then cut the camera down……..fair enough 😀

😂

[WeAreHibs]

Has the camera been restored? I couldn't see it a couple of weeks ago?

[Scouse Hibee]

Has the camera been restored? I couldn't see it a couple of weeks ago?

It’s been chopped down twice, but now back up I think.

[Trinity Hibee]

Got second letter through the door today. The joys

[silverhibee]

Police on motorbikes have been sitting at the Centurion bar over the weekend catching folk going through the no entry bit going onto Corstorphine Road and ANPR police car at the American golf checking on delivery drivers from Mcds.

[Trinity Hibee]

Police on motorbikes have been sitting at the Centurion bar over the weekend catching folk going through the no entry bit going onto Corstorphine Road and ANPR police car at the American golf checking on delivery drivers from Mcds.

What a waste of resource. These new road layouts are a joke

[Jack]

Car numbers rise despite 'expensive' low traffic scheme

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1w71vyg328o

[Trinity Hibee]

Car numbers rise despite 'expensive' low traffic scheme

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1w71vyg328o

Saw this too. Just seems to have been a mess all round. Still waiting to hear about my appeal I submitted 2 weeks ago

[speedy_gonzales]

Car numbers rise despite 'expensive' low traffic scheme

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1w71vyg328o

I've not done a deep dive in to the statistics but if traffic in the area has risen 6.5% since implementation compared to the 6% for the rest of West Edinburgh then I'm unsure if we can say if any objectives were met or not.
Even ACE-Corstorphine (mentioned in the article) claim the baseline traffic data is unreliable as it was recorded in Autumn '21 (when some of us were still playing by covid rules) and the post implementation review of the LTN was autumn last year, when things were pretty much back to normal(for some).

Mr Lings (Corstorphine Connections) hasn't came out saying they're trying to stop car use but rather move it away from specific areas. The graphic in the article shows the LTN covering a massive part of Corstorphine/Broomhall/Carricknowe but I think the 4 main changes over the last few years has been the work on the High St, Featherhall Crescent, Featherhall Ave & Manse Rd.
There's still a very busy road running east/west through the heart of the area and an almost as busy route running north/south.
Car use/ownership is rising all the time so it's fairly obvious if you restrict any road, even for a short period of time, surrounding roads will(must?) get busier, slightly.

[silverhibee]

Get Corstorphine Road sorted and clear the traffic at peak times, get cameras up from the Subway to the roundabout at McDonald’s on both sides and prosecute the repeat offenders, never once have I seen a bus or taxi use the bus lane going out the town and the one coming in gets used but causes chaos when it comes to an end at the top of Manse Road at the lights, and now that we know this was done for school children then get Manse Road back open after 4.30 as there is no reason for it to be in force after that time, and while they are at it put a no entry sign up at Kirk Loan, will stop folk from coming up from Queensferry road.

[J-C]

Car numbers rise despite 'expensive' low traffic scheme

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1w71vyg328o

Shift the problem to another street, all these schemes in Edinburgh just move the problems, never cure them.

[silverhibee]

Police were cracking down today, 4 bikes parked at the back of Corstorphine park and 4 traffic cars just before the zoo pulling cars in, the one strange thing was that the cars were made to park on sheets that had been laid down by the police, seemed a bit strange.

[Jack]

Another article.

https://theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2024/09/low-traffic-neighbourhood-support-based-on-skewed-data-campaigners-say/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2kYQG4MJ2lp9-NW46oX_i0Twg1HBS7aMgar0vQNGnb-zz8EaufkYTz2WQ_aem_47WuATRT_CexaMILqyULvg

[Stairway 2 7]

Another article.

https://theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2024/09/low-traffic-neighbourhood-support-based-on-skewed-data-campaigners-say/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2kYQG4MJ2lp9-NW46oX_i0Twg1HBS7aMgar0vQNGnb-zz8EaufkYTz2WQ_aem_47WuATRT_CexaMILqyULvg

There is about 2% of the population that rarely leave there home so the poll would hardly have changed. Also it fails to say the rise in traffic in Corstorphine was similar to the rest of Edinburgh. More people each year are driving which is the opposite of what Scot gov want. They say we must cut driving miles by 30% to achieve net zero. They need to make it harder for drivers than they are. At least the main aim was achieved in cutting traffic round the school.