Dundee game

[GreenCastle]

Pretty important game so early in the season.

For the manager..
For the players..
For the board..

Most importantly for the fans as we deserve something to be happy about.

Dundee haven’t lost in 12 games including 4 friendlies.

Will be a major test for our midfield against their 3 with or without McCowan plus Simon Murray returns !

Looking at ticket sales - safe standing not looking very full.

3 points then Killie away and transfer window shuts then 2 week break for internationals.

Oddly looking forward to it but we really need to improve. They play 4-3-3 so no need for 5 at the back.

[Green Reaper]

Pretty important game so early in the season.

For the manager..
For the players..
For the board..

Most importantly for the fans as we deserve something to be happy about.

Dundee haven’t lost in 12 games including 4 friendlies.

Will be a major test for our midfield against their 3 with or without McCowan plus Simon Murray returns !

Looking at ticket sales - safe standing not looking very full.

3 points then Killie away and transfer window shuts then 2 week break for internationals.

Oddly looking forward to it but we really need to improve. They play 4-4-3-3- so no need for 5 at the back.

If they play with 14 outfield players we won't stand a chance 😁

[B.H.F.C]

This is an absolutely massive game for us. It’s one of those games where performance doesn’t matter, you just need to get three points by whatever means necessary.

We need to get points on the board to give us something to build on and get a bit of confidence in to the players.

[GreenCastle]

If they play with 14 outfield players we won't stand a chance 😁

Very good - typo

[Billy Whizz]

Pretty important game so early in the season.

For the manager..
For the players..
For the board..

Most importantly for the fans as we deserve something to be happy about.

Dundee haven’t lost in 12 games including 4 friendlies.

Will be a major test for our midfield against their 3 with or without McCowan plus Simon Murray returns !

Looking at ticket sales - safe standing not looking very full.

3 points then Killie away and transfer window shuts then 2 week break for internationals.

Oddly looking forward to it but we really need to improve. They play 4-3-3 so no need for 5 at the back.

Teams generally don’t play 5 at the back when they play with a holding midfield
Presume Kwon will start in front of a back 4

[Keith_M]

Any mentions yet of this being 'A Must Win Game'?

[MountcastleHibs]

Any mentions yet of this being 'A Must Win Game'?

I would argue it is. It’s certainly in the must not lose category.

[Hibernia&Alba]

They are a decent side; it’s a tough match. We need to improve and cut out the mistakes.

[Pretty Boy]

I don't think it's must win or must not lose even in the figurative rather than literal sense (and I know how angry some people get about the must win stuff😅).

I think it is a game that will give us a decent indication of how the first quarter of the season will go though. Lose and it doesn't get much easier with Rangers, Hearts and Killie all featuring in the 6 games that follow. There would be real talk about us sitting 11th or 12th after such a run. Win and you are much more focussed on St Johnstone, Motherwell and Dundee Utd and working out scenarios that could see us 3rd or 4th going in to the Aberdeen game.

It's a big game for both teams. We need to be better than we have shown and I doubt Gray will be under any illusions about that.

[Glory Lurker]

We should always, always be looking to beat Dundee at home. An unlucky draw might be acceptable but that's the only thing less than three points that is. Defeats happen, sure, but against the grim backdrop we've set up so far this season this one can't get shrugged shoulders if we lose.

[Callum_62]

3-1 hibs

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[IberianHibernian]

Important match for both teams and there should be a good crowd with big away support and us only having 1 home match in following 6 weeks (crazy having so many LC matches at weekends on top of international weekends but maybe European club competitions make it difficult to have LC midweek ) . Dundee will be favourites but with s many new players it`s hard to predict how we`ll play . Great chance for our players , old and new , to show commitment . With no LC or Europe , we have chance to climb league table in coming weeks .

[CapitalGreen]

Pretty important game so early in the season.

For the manager..
For the players..
For the board..

Most importantly for the fans as we deserve something to be happy about.

Dundee haven’t lost in 12 games including 4 friendlies.

Will be a major test for our midfield against their 3 with or without McCowan plus Simon Murray returns !

Looking at ticket sales - safe standing not looking very full.

3 points then Killie away and transfer window shuts then 2 week break for internationals.

Oddly looking forward to it but we really need to improve. They play 4-3-3 so no need for 5 at the back.

Or 1 win in 10 against Premier League opposition.

[Keith_M]

I'm gonna put my neck on the line and say that Hibs WILL win next week.

I know, ridiculously optimistic, but just got a feeling about this one.

[Aldo]

Ticket bought- Hibs win

Let’s do this.

[Del Boy]

1-0 (McCowan)

[TrinityHFC]

I would argue it is. It’s certainly in the must not lose category.

So what would you expect to happen if we lose?

[MountcastleHibs]

So what would you expect to happen if we lose?

I think there will be a lot of disgruntled people. I don’t think anything material would happen, but it really does set the tone.

Mentally for the players (and the support) we need a win. 4 losses in a row and likely sitting at the bottom of the league at the end of August isn’t a particularly great look and puts us in virtually the same situation as last year (although we progressed in the cup then). As supporters, we need something to make us hopeful.

Obviously the league isn’t decided in August.

[GreenCastle]

Or 1 win in 10 against Premier League opposition.

Hibs have won 1 in last 5.

Last time they beat a current top 6 in team…was Dundee (2-1) at home in February.

[Bobby's Cinema]

We should always, always be looking to beat Dundee at home. An unlucky draw might be acceptable but that's the only thing less than three points that is. Defeats happen, sure, but against the grim backdrop we've set up so far this season this one can't get shrugged shoulders if we lose.
Not as simple as just taking the name and saying we should beat them. This is a side with some good players, full of confidence that finished above us last season. Very tricky game for us.

[Glory Lurker]

Not as simple as just taking the name and saying we should beat them. This is a side with some good players, full of confidence that finished above us last season. Very tricky game for us.

It is, but it shouldn't be. If getting a draw at home to Dundee is the height of our ambition then we should just give up.

[He's here!]

Not as simple as just taking the name and saying we should beat them. This is a side with some good players, full of confidence that finished above us last season. Very tricky game for us.

On the evidence so far I can see a Hibs 0 Dundee 3 incoming. They'll be targeting our keeper from the off, aware that our defence doesn't offer him much protection.

Gray is right to say we can't just keep making the same mistakes but unfortunately for him that's what weak teams do. I'm hoping the new faces have it in them to improve significantly but hope is all it is right now. Which changes that Gray has suggested he'll make will spark serious improvement?

[Smartie]

On the evidence so far I can see a Hibs 0 Dundee 3 incoming. They'll be targeting our keeper from the off, aware that our defence doesn't offer him much protection.

Gray is right to say we can't just keep making the same mistakes but unfortunately for him that's what weak teams do. I'm hoping the new faces have it in them to improve significantly but hope is all it is right now. Which changes that Gray has suggested he'll make will spark serious improvement?

It's not the craziest shout and it's easy to see how such a game might unfold.

I reckon this will be one of those "first goal" games. We lose the first goal, a capitulation and 3 or 4 goal win for Dundee could easily happen - we've seen exactly how such a game unfolds on several occasions over the past year.

Alternatively, we could get the first goal, settle, and go on to play well and win. Not an outrageous suggestion either.

I'm actually really looking forward to it, it feels in many ways like the season proper starts on Saturday (I know, I know).

[Jim44]

We should always, always be looking to beat Dundee at home. An unlucky draw might be acceptable but that's the only thing less than three points that is. Defeats happen, sure, but against the grim backdrop we've set up so far this season this one can't get shrugged shoulders if we lose.


Not as simple as just taking the name and saying we should beat them. This is a side with some good players, full of confidence that finished above us last season. Very tricky game for us.

While we rightly should be looking to beat certain teams, that expectation is often based very much on history, tradition, entitlement etc. and not on our current, very poor form. Dundee fans will come to ER with an equal or, perhaps, greater amount of expectation but, more importantly, this will be based on current form and ability.
There’s every chance we could turn form on it’s head and win but it’’s a big ask. I would reluctantly accept a draw. I expect the bookies to have them slight favourites.

Ps. ..……. bookies have us as slight money on favourites and Dundee at nearly 3/1. Seems form is not so important to them.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

While we rightly should be looking to beat certain teams, that expectation is often based very much on history, tradition, entitlement etc. and not on our current, very poor form. Dundee fans will come to ER with an equal or, perhaps, greater amount of expectation but, more importantly, this will be based on current form and ability.
There’s every chance we could turn form on it’s head and win but it’’s a big ask. I would reluctantly accept a draw. I expect the bookies to have them slight favourites.

The market has only just opened on Betfair, EVS Hibs, 5/2 Dundee as we speak, cracking price for Dundee as it stands.

Dundee 27/10 @ W Hills.

[GreenCastle]

Just checked and correct me if I’m wrong…

Dundee haven't won at Easter Road since 2001.

[Jones28]

Hibs to win 2-0.

No idea why, just have a feeling things will click this weekend.

2 games against Celtic are never going to be indicative of how our season is going to pan out, but we have shown in both games that when we get on the front foot and get over being **** scared of the ball we can cause teams problems.

[BoomtownHibees]

Just checked and correct me if I’m wrong…

Dundee haven't won at Easter Road since 2001.

Delete this

[Hibees1973]

Delete this

Yes.

Can't think of anyone of note who hasn't won at ER since 2001.

[flash]

Yes.

Can't think of anyone of note who hasn't won at ER since 2001.

Except Dundee.

[SHODAN]

Just checked and correct me if I’m wrong…

Dundee haven't won at Easter Road since 2001.

https://i.imgur.com/WAO1xHD.jpeg

[theonlywayisup]

When I think of games versus Dundee, I think of this.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QetdkEYQ-0A

[theonlywayisup]

And this one

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X4BDhwReAIc

[Tambo]

Very early in the season but I would also argue it's a must win, a heavy defeat at home (0-3+)

Need to get some points on the point, would also argue that a good football performance is also needed.

SDG says players starting places at risk, let's see who lines up Saturday, I'll start with the random line ups.

Smith

Megwa
Rocky
O'Hora
Obita

Kwon
Newell
Rudi/New signing

Bowie
Myko
Cadden/Rudi

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Yes.

Can't think of anyone of note who hasn't won at ER since 2001.

Real Madrid? 🤔

[andrew70]

Bursik

Miller
Marv
O’Hora (captain)

Cadden.C
Levitt
Kwon
Cadden.N

Rudi

Bowie
Big Myk

[Cod Boy]

Hopefully Dundee don’t score first or it could get very hostile

[supermcginn]

Smith

Miller Rocky O'Hora Obita N Cadden

C Cadden Kwon

Hoilett

Bowie Myko

[He's here!]

Just checked and correct me if I’m wrong…

Dundee haven't won at Easter Road since 2001.

Probably find we've only shared the same league a handful of times since then.

The stat that does irritate me is the one the media rollout about our league record against Rangers, which always excludes our seasons in the Championship against them. Makes out we haven't beaten them in nearly 20 years.

[Billy Whizz]

https://www.deearchive.co.uk/matchdetails.php?id=4501


Probably one of my favourite games v Dundee in recent memory. Think they came to ER top of the league and we thrashed them

[H18 SFR]

On one hand, I’ve got the absolute fear that Dundee are going to rock into Easter Road, outwork us, out run us and come out on top winning more second balls - if they do that they will score a couple of goals.

On the other hand, I hope we can find a way to somehow defend well.

Dundee are 10/3 to win with more than 1.5 goals in the game. 4/1 with more than 2.5 goals in the game. Incredibly good value for money.

[Ronniekirk]

Dundee will be confident snd up for the game . I think we will struggle to win it as we are going to be chopping and changing team trying to get new players match fit .
We are also making defensive errors and getting punished for them and they are free scoring
Would love to be proved wrong ,but I thnk the Killie game might be the one where we are in a better place

[SHODAN]

Hibs 0-1 Dundee (McCowan o.g. 90+4)

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Think we will be 4-2-3-1 but same team could be 4-3-3

Bursic

Miller
Ek
O’Hora
Obita

Obi Kwon
Newell

Boyle
Rudi
Bowie

Kuch

[FastEddieFelson]

When I think of games versus Dundee, I think of this.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QetdkEYQ-0A

makes me think of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12ALsjE0RJA

[Tambo]

Link not working... The 3-4 game was another classic.

[Scorrie]

makes me think of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12ALsjE0RJA

That defending, shocking (some things don’t change)! But what a player Deek was. Class

[hibee-boys]

Think we will be 4-2-3-1 but same team could be 4-3-3

Bursic

Miller
Ek
O’Hora
Obita

Obi Kwon
Newell

Boyle
Rudi
Bowie

Kuch

Hope Obi Kwon brings the force with him…..think we’ll need it.

[B.H.F.C]

https://www.deearchive.co.uk/matchdetails.php?id=4501


Probably one of my favourite games v Dundee in recent memory. Think they came to ER top of the league and we thrashed them

There will be goals in the game. Dundee aren’t particularly good defensively either.

Hoping Kwon can come in and improve us by giving the defence some protection for a change.

[andrew70]

99 problems but Mykola ain’t one.

https://open.substack.com/pub/andrewjeffrey/p/99-problems?r=2f20qe&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true

[Lancs Harp]

My first trip up of the season 3 points in the bag.

[chrisski33]

Tough game and one we will lose because of a silly mistake tbh

[eastmainsmsh]

Boruc

Rocky
Ekpiteta
Ohora

Miller
Levitt
Molotnikov
Newell
Obita

Bowie
MYK

[HendoDelivered]

Bursik

Miller
Marv
O’Hora

Cadden
Rudi
Kwon
Newell
Cadden

Bowie
Myko

[B.H.F.C]

Bursik

Miller
Marv
O’Hora

Cadden
Rudi
Kwon
Newell
Cadden

Bowie
Myko

Something along those lines isn’t a bad shout.

Obita is one that is needing dropped. I’d have Rudi in instead of Campbell as well but I expect Campbell will play.

[Pretty Boy]

When I think of games versus Dundee, I think of this.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QetdkEYQ-0A

What's that thing Agathe did there? He got the ball and rather than turn and pass it back where it came from, he seemed to run forward with it quickly towards the other teams goal?

I have vague memories of seeing it before but it must have fallen out of fashion in recent times.

[Daydreamer]

Bursik

Rocky
O hora
Obita

Millar
Kwon
Newell
N Cadden

Boyle

Bowie
Big Myk

[Springbank]

Very early in the season but I would also argue it's a must win, a heavy defeat at home (0-3+)

Need to get some points on the point, would also argue that a good football performance is also needed.

SDG says players starting places at risk, let's see who lines up Saturday, I'll start with the random line ups.

Smith

Megwa
Rocky
O'Hora
Obita

Kwon
Newell
Rudi/New signing

Bowie
Myko
Cadden/Rudi

Omg that team would ship 5 by half time

Lewis Miller starts

The backup goalie lost to Kelty

[Springbank]

Bursik

Rocky
O hora
Obita

Millar
Kwon
Newell
N Cadden

Boyle

Bowie
Big Myk

This looks better - not sure about Boyles role in your lineup but has more solidity

[hibee-boys]

Seems to a lot of 3/5/2’s being suggested here, don’t you think that was played to try and tighten up in defence against Celtic. Played more like a 5/3/2 and 5/4/1 at times. It’s mainly been 4/2/3/1 prior to that.

[Daydreamer]

This looks better - not sure about Boyles role in your lineup but has more solidity


Let Boyle play where he wants and hope he runs riot!!!

[JimBHibees]

Pretty decent record v Dundee and should be looking to beat them after they pipped us for top 6.

[flash]

Bursik

Miller
Ekpiteta
O'Hora
Obita

Kwon
Newall

Boyle
Molotnikov
N Cadden

Myko.

[JimBHibees]

Bursik

Miller
Ekpiteta
O'Hora
Obita

Kwon
Newall

Boyle
Molotnikov
N Cadden

Myko.

Decent looking team

[sauzeelegod]

343

Bursik

O’Hora
Marv
Rocky

C.Cadden
Kwon
Newell
N.Cadden

Bowie
Myko
Rudi

[Callum_62]

What's that thing Agathe did there? He got the ball and rather than turn and pass it back where it came from, he seemed to run forward with it quickly towards the other teams goal?

I have vague memories of seeing it before but it must have fallen out of fashion in recent times.You obviously didn't watch Celtic on Sunday [emoji1787][emoji6]

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[Keepthefaith]

Seems to a lot of 3/5/2’s being suggested here, don’t you think that was played to try and tighten up in defence against Celtic. Played more like a 5/3/2 and 5/4/1 at times. It’s mainly been 4/2/3/1 prior to that.

Agreed. Bi also think after what gray said we should expect ekpiteta to be dropped, not sure if he'd play megwa instead? Be interesting to see what he does about the keeper too. Id play rocky alongside ohora though by the rumours he could also be moving on?

Confident our attacking players will be up to speed now and Kwon will make a huge difference...no easy ball over the top anymore!

[Since452]

5-0 Hibs

[sauzee1989]

Hopefully a few changes would like to see us go with

Bursik

Cadden
Cadden
Marv
O’Hora

Newell
Kwon
Rudi

Bowie
Myko
Boyle

[thebausburst]

Ekipeta will surely be dropped Saturday, no way he’s in the team for me, no chance.

[LustForLeith]

Every game we play is a big game

End of

[He's here!]

When I think of games versus Dundee, I think of this.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QetdkEYQ-0A

Interesting to see Hibs fans at both ends that day - and yet the attendance was only 12.5k.

[Chorley Hibee]

Interesting to see Hibs fans at both ends that day - and yet the attendance was only 12.5k.

Capacity at the time was only circa 16k.

[sauzee1989]

Ekipeta will surely be dropped Saturday, no way he’s in the team for me, no chance.

I think he should stay in team. It’s been two errors of judgement from him but he’s still a far better defender than Rocky and at least stands in correct positions. Rocky was at fault for the first two goals at weekend.

[easty]

I think he should stay in team. It’s been two errors of judgement from him but he’s still a far better defender than Rocky and at least stands in correct positions. Rocky was at fault for the first two goals at weekend.

Of course he should stay in the team. It’s just pure reactive nonsense to say otherwise.

[GreenCastle]

David Gray quote after Celtic game..

“We're not at the level right now so I can't keep picking the same players that keep making mistakes all the time.”

So if he is true to his words….

I reckon the keeper position is up for grabs. Though I have the fear with both of them.

Ekpiteta was subbed only a few mins after losing 3rd goal so reckon he could be on bench too.

The question is who comes in…

Nicky Cadden did well and you wonder if Bowie is ready yet to start.

Would match up against Saints - 4-3-3

Keeper ???

Miller
O’Hora
Obita
N.Cadden

Kwon
Newell
Rudi

Boyle
Myko
Bowie

[TrinityHFC]

Of course he should stay in the team. It’s just pure reactive nonsense to say otherwise.

Yep, agree. The weekend one was an error but would also have been quickly forgotten if the keeper had just knocked it away.

There will be faint for every goal we lose this season. That’s the way it is. I think we willl be better for it if we let the new players play together and work these issues out.

[Since452]

I'm surprised so many are picking Bursik

[supermcginn]

I think he should stay in team. It’s been two errors of judgement from him but he’s still a far better defender than Rocky and at least stands in correct positions. Rocky was at fault for the first two goals at weekend.

Far better? Is he? It's about time he started showing it. I think it's a nap he'll be dropped at the weekend.

[Donegal Hibby]

I think he should stay in team. It’s been two errors of judgement from him but he’s still a far better defender than Rocky and at least stands in correct positions. Rocky was at fault for the first two goals at weekend.

Rocky was at fault with the first two goals , really? .

[B.H.F.C]

David Gray quote after Celtic game..

“We're not at the level right now so I can't keep picking the same players that keep making mistakes all the time.”

So if he is true to his words….

I reckon the keeper position is up for grabs. Though I have the fear with both of them.

Ekpiteta was subbed only a few mins after losing 3rd goal so reckon he could be on bench too.

The question is who comes in…

Nicky Cadden did well and you wonder if Bowie is ready yet to start.

Would match up against Saints - 4-3-3

Keeper ???

Miller
O’Hora
Obita
N.Cadden

Kwon
Newell
Rudi

Boyle
Myko
Bowie

For me the players most at risk of losing their place would be Marv, Obita, Campbell and Boyle.

Kwon will come in for Moriah-Welsh, it’s what he does beyond that in midfield that’ll be interesting.

I think he does need to shake things up a bit, whatever he does.

[overdrive]

I'm surprised so many are picking Bursik

I think it is because Smith seems just as bad and although I've liked Boruc when he's played for us the odd time, he seems to have been a liability on loan last season.


Any one of the three goalkeepers

Rocky
O'Hora
Obita

Miller
Kwon
Molotnikov
Newell
N. Cadden

Big Myk
Bowie

[Donegal Hibby]

Bursik .

Miller .
O’Hora .
Rocky.

C. Cadden .
Kwon .
Newell .
Campbell .
N. Cadden.

Boyle .
Myko.

[Coco Bryce]

Bursik .

Miller .
O’Hora .
Rocky.

C. Cadden .
Kwon .
Newell .
Campbell .
Obita .

Boyle .
Myko.


Campbell :rolleyes:

[eastterrace]

Bursik

Miller
Ekpiteta
O'Hora
Obita

Kwon
Newall

Boyle
Molotnikov
N Cadden

Myko. What no Bowie in the team are you mad, we just spent 600 grand and you leave him out for guys like Boyle who is done at this level.

[easty]

What no Bowie in the team are you mad, we just spent 600 grand and you leave him out for guys like Boyle who is done at this level.

Nope

[theonlywayisup]

Campbell :rolleyes:

Why the rolling eyes? Campbell is not going to be dropped when the consensus was that he was our best midfielder on Sunday. He'll keep his place until we sign better midfielders, which hopefully will be soon.

[flash]

What no Bowie in the team are you mad, we just spent 600 grand and you leave him out for guys like Boyle who is done at this level.

You do realise this is my team and not the actual selection for Saturday?
Not sure Bowie is fully up to speed yet anyway.

[Callum_62]

Bowie is fully up to speed yet anyway.

I thought he looked pretty unfit on Sunday to be honest

Less so than the week before oddly

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[Coco Bryce]

Why the rolling eyes? Campbell is not going to be dropped when the consensus was that he was our best midfielder on Sunday. He'll keep his place until we sign better midfielders, which hopefully will be soon.

Being slightly better than the rest in a woeful midfield is simply not good enough :rolleyes:

[SHODAN]

Can we recall Murray Johnson?

[Donegal Hibby]

Being slightly better than the rest in a woeful midfield is simply not good enough :rolleyes:

So going by your logic we drop the one that played better than the rest in the previous game then :confused:

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

I just want to see a team with a bit of identity or whatever the latest buzz phrase is for a style of play that the manager is trying to implement

Desperately need stability so if SDG can implement something that gets us excited to watch the team and players again then the results will come

[Shrekko]

So going by your logic we drop the one that played better than the rest in the previous game then :confused:

Rudi was our best midfielder v Celtic at home and yet he was dropped the following week…

I don’t think Campbell was our best midfielder on Sunday - he did one or 2 decent things but had no real impact on the game. You are the only one with him in your team - if he stays in the team we are not progressing. How he started on Sunday after his last 2 performances beggars belief.

[andrew70]

Rudi was our best midfielder v Celtic at home and yet he was dropped the following week…

I don’t think Campbell was our best midfielder on Sunday - he did one or 2 decent things but had no real impact on the game. You are the only one with him in your team - if he stays in the team we are not progressing. How he started on Sunday after his last 2 performances beggars belief.

You could say the same for all the “leadership group” though. They seem undroppable, Gray is facing huge calls so early in his tenure.

[B.H.F.C]

You could say the same for all the “leadership group” though. They seem undroppable, Gray is facing huge calls so early in his tenure.

Newell isn’t going to be dropped. Whatever any of us think, it’s not going to happen.

But the others whose positions, IMO, should be most under threat are Ekpiteta, Obita, Campbell and Boyle. He clearly sees them all as first picks but the performance levels have been miles off it. Will be interesting to see how his comments after the game are reflected in the team selection. My feeling is that he is going to need to shake things up a bit to try and get a proper reaction.

[andrew70]

Newell isn’t going to be dropped. Whatever any of us think, it’s not going to happen.

But the others whose positions, IMO, should be most under threat are Ekpiteta, Obita, Campbell and Boyle. He clearly sees them all as first picks but the performance levels have been miles off it. Will be interesting to see how his comments after the game are reflected in the team selection. My feeling is that he is going to need to shake things up a bit to try and get a proper reaction.

Well we won’t progress.

The players you mention minus Marv should all be dropped too. Two of which are in the leadership group and the other has more experience than most in this squad.

Rudi needs to play.

[Shrekko]

You could say the same for all the “leadership group” though. They seem undroppable, Gray is facing huge calls so early in his tenure.

You’re right - I can guess the others you’re talking about and as much as I’d probably argue a bit for them on the basis of their previous history, Gray has definitely shown signs of favouritism towards certain guys at this point.

[TrinityHFC]

Newell isn’t going to be dropped. Whatever any of us think, it’s not going to happen.

But the others whose positions, IMO, should be most under threat are Ekpiteta, Obita, Campbell and Boyle. He clearly sees them all as first picks but the performance levels have been miles off it. Will be interesting to see how his comments after the game are reflected in the team selection. My feeling is that he is going to need to shake things up a bit to try and get a proper reaction.

Having heard the full interview I don’t expect many to be ‘dropped’. He also talked about how everyone would work on getting better.

We don’t have better players sitting waiting to replace them really. We will gain more by them all learning quickly rather than just being replaced for a while by worse options.

[Coco Bryce]

So going by your logic we drop the one that played better than the rest in the previous game then :confused:

No. I would drop both him and Newell. Both not good enough.

I'm hoping we get some new midfielders in very soon to ensure this happens.

[Coco Bryce]

Newell isn’t going to be dropped. Whatever any of us think, it’s not going to happen.

But the others whose positions, IMO, should be most under threat are Ekpiteta, Obita, Campbell and Boyle. He clearly sees them all as first picks but the performance levels have been miles off it. Will be interesting to see how his comments after the game are reflected in the team selection. My feeling is that he is going to need to shake things up a bit to try and get a proper reaction.

Why not? Because he is the captain.

Shouldn't matter. Hanlon was our captain last season and he hardly got a game when we probably needed him to play.

[B.H.F.C]

Why not? Because he is the captain.

Shouldn't matter. Hanlon was our captain last season and he hardly got a game when we probably needed him to play.

I’m not saying I think he should play, just that I think he will. Gray will stick by him. Kwon will come in for Moriah-Welsh. I’ll be more concerned if he still plays Campbell.

[Coco Bryce]

I’m not saying I think he should play, just that I think he will. Gray will stick by him. Kwon will come in for Moriah-Welsh. I’ll be more concerned if he still plays Campbell.

100%

Persistently playing him will only turn the fans against him.

It's blatantly obvious he's not the standard we need.

[Donegal Hibby]

Rudi was our best midfielder v Celtic at home and yet he was dropped the following week…

I don’t think Campbell was our best midfielder on Sunday - he did one or 2 decent things but had no real impact on the game. You are the only one with him in your team - if he stays in the team we are not progressing. How he started on Sunday after his last 2 performances beggars belief.

Rudi is only 18 and went off limping , possibly cramp . I wouldn’t say he was dropped as such but more just rested .

I thought Campbell was probably one of our better players against Celtic and his performance against a midfield of that quality was decent .

Doesn’t matter if I’m the only one that has him in the team or not because it’s more than likely someone else will too and that will be the Manager .

[Shrekko]

Rudi is only 18 and went off limping , possibly cramp . I wouldn’t say he was dropped as such but more just rested .

I thought Campbell was probably one of our better players against Celtic and his performance against a midfield of that quality was decent .

Doesn’t matter if I’m the only one that has him in the team or not because it’s more than likely someone else will too and that will be the Manager .

What we’ll need against Dundee is bravery and composure on the ball. Campbell won’t give us that. We’ll get frantic arm waving and pointing, lots of throwing himself to the ground, silly fouls and a disappearing act if we go a goal down.

If you’re happy with him as a starter we see things differently… however, you are correct that he will most likely be one of the first names pencilled into Gray’s team line up.

[Donegal Hibby]

No. I would drop both him and Newell. Both not good enough.

I'm hoping we get some new midfielders in very soon to ensure this happens.

I’d be quite happy to see better midfielders come in though I doubt it will happen before Saturday tbh and if that’s the case the captain won’t be dropped and I very much doubt Campbell will be either after having a decent game against Celtic .

[supermcginn]

What we’ll need against Dundee is bravery and composure on the ball. Campbell won’t give us that. We’ll get frantic arm waving and pointing, lots of throwing himself to the ground, silly fouls and a disappearing act if we go a goal down.

If you’re happy with him as a starter we see things differently… however, you are correct that he will most likely be one of the first names pencilled into Gray’s team line up.

Add in constantly giving the ball away and your description of Campbell is spot on.

[Coco Bryce]

I’d be quite happy to see better midfielders come in though I doubt it will happen before Saturday tbh and if that’s the case the captain won’t be dropped and I very much doubt Campbell will be either after having a decent game against Celtic .

Your perception of 'decent' is undoubtedly nothing like mine or the majority of Hibs fans.

Opinions though eh :greengrin

[Donegal Hibby]

What we’ll need against Dundee is bravery and composure on the ball. Campbell won’t give us that. We’ll get frantic arm waving and pointing, lots of throwing himself to the ground, silly fouls and a disappearing act if we go a goal down.

If you’re happy with him as a starter we see things differently… however, you are correct that he will most likely be one of the first names pencilled into Gray’s team line up.

We will need bravery against Dundee as they are a good side , the composure on the ball should come from Newell while Campbell gives us some energy and will hopefully chip in with a goal or assist. I expect Kwon to be in and add steel , break attacks up .

What I don’t want to see is Levitt as rarely contributed anything so far .

[Saint Hibee]

Newell isn’t going to be dropped. Whatever any of us think, it’s not going to happen.

But the others whose positions, IMO, should be most under threat are Ekpiteta, Obita, Campbell and Boyle. He clearly sees them all as first picks but the performance levels have been miles off it. Will be interesting to see how his comments after the game are reflected in the team selection. My feeling is that he is going to need to shake things up a bit to try and get a proper reaction.

You surely need to add Bursik to that list, although we're not exactly blessed with options to replace him.

[Donegal Hibby]

Your perception of 'decent' is undoubtedly nothing like mine or the majority of Hibs fans.

Opinions though eh :greengrin

Maybe that’s because your perception of coming up against a midfield with 25 million pound players in is different to mine :greengrin

[JimBHibees]

What we’ll need against Dundee is bravery and composure on the ball. Campbell won’t give us that. We’ll get frantic arm waving and pointing, lots of throwing himself to the ground, silly fouls and a disappearing act if we go a goal down.

If you’re happy with him as a starter we see things differently… however, you are correct that he will most likely be one of the first names pencilled into Gray’s team line up.

Campbell showed none of that on Sunday was still running hard and battling at the end of the game.

[Coco Bryce]

Maybe that’s because your perception of coming up against a midfield with 25 million pound players in is different to mine :greengrin

What St Mirren?

It not just the last two games though is it?

[He's here!]

I just want to see a team with a bit of identity or whatever the latest buzz phrase is for a style of play that the manager is trying to implement

Desperately need stability so if SDG can implement something that gets us excited to watch the team and players again then the results will come

Hibs have lacked 'identity' for years now. By that I mean a team which contains players you can really get behind and who you know can impose themselves on a game. Boyle is probably the closest we have to that but he's not the force he was. For too long we've been a quiet, inoffensive lot.

[B.H.F.C]

You surely need to add Bursik to that list, although we're not exactly blessed with options to replace him.

Having seen Smith I think he’d be even worse. I think we might as well give Bursik a chance to recover from Sunday.

[theonlywayisup]

Your perception of 'decent' is undoubtedly nothing like mine or the majority of Hibs fans.

Opinions though eh :greengrin

How do you know what the majority of Hibs fans think?

Reading posts on here, you'd think everyone wants rid of Super Joe Newell, but the poll tells you otherwise.

That said, I agree that our midfield is nowhere near good enough and all need replaced, including Super Joe Newell and the much maligned Josh Campbell. However until we get better players in, they are unlikely to be dropped unless struggling fitness wise. A horrendous thought to end this post with, so let's hope we get better in soon.

[Callum_62]

I think fans need to temper their expectations on Rudi too imo

He's very young, raw and was hardly even quoted last season

He certainly should not be expected to be a starter week in week out

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[Souter96Mac]

Would like to see us mix it up slightly:

Bursik
Miller O'Hora Marv N.Cadden
Kwon Newell
Boyle Rudi Bowie
Myko

Get Rudi playing through the middle, and the two big lads playing together - just bulldoze our way to goal.

[JohnM1875]

I think fans need to temper their expectations on Rudi too imo

He's very young, raw and was hardly even quoted last season

He certainly should not be expected to be a starter week in week out

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If he's better than what we have, which I think he is, then he should be starting. Hibs fans (football fans in general to be honest) are much more forgiving of youngsters mistakes.

I know its one extreme example, but look at Yamal at the Euros or a better one closer to home, Lennon Miller at Motherwell.

[Lago]

Hibs have lacked 'identity' for years now. By that I mean a team which contains players you can really get behind and who you know can impose themselves on a game. Boyle is probably the closest we have to that but he's not the force he was. For too long we've been a quiet, inoffensive lot.
There's a total lack of excitement around Hibs, has been for the last 2 to 3 years, just mid table dullnes.

[Donegal Hibby]

What St Mirren?

It not just the last two games though is it?

Yeah collectively it was a poor team performance though that wasn’t what started our debate with your rolling eyes though , wasn’t it? :greengrin

[GreenCastle]

There's a total lack of excitement around Hibs, has been for the last 2 to 3 years, just mid table dullnes.

It would be nice if we could change things up on the playing side and get some excitement back to at least watching us. We did have a little of that at the start of the league cup campaign - ok it was crap opposition but it was bit more interesting to watch.

That’s why I think Rudi should start - he is the one player right now fans really want to do well and was one of the best players in pre-season.

If Gray picks the same keeper and back 4 as St Mirren and Celtic home we really have no clue.

I think Bowie has to start and Kwon too.

Newell is undroppablle so he will play - it’s just who plays next to him. Last thing I want is to have 2 defensive midfielders and Newell getting in the way of Kwon doing his job.

[easty]

There's a total lack of excitement around Hibs, has been for the last 2 to 3 years, just mid table dullnes.

2 to 3 years?

I was born in 1983, and since then we've spent more seasons in the division below (4) than we've come 3rd (3).

Of the seasons we've been in the top league (37) we've averaged a 6-7th place finish.

It's basically been a whole lifetime of mid table dullness, with a few good seasons thrown in along the way.

[easty]

It would be nice if we could change things up on the playing side and get some excitement back to at least watching us. We did have a little of that at the start of the league cup campaign - ok it was crap opposition but it was bit more interesting to watch.

That’s why I think Rudi should start - he is the one player right now fans really want to do well and was one of the best players in pre-season.

If Gray picks the same keeper and back 4 as St Mirren and Celtic home we really have no clue.

I think Bowie has to start and Kwon too.

Newell is undroppablle so he will play - it’s just who plays next to him. Last thing I want is to have 2 defensive midfielders and Newell getting in the way of Kwon doing his job.

You'd give up on the new players already? 2 league games in?

[Lago]

It would be nice if we could change things up on the playing side and get some excitement back to at least watching us. We did have a little of that at the start of the league cup campaign - ok it was crap opposition but it was bit more interesting to watch.

That’s why I think Rudi should start - he is the one player right now fans really want to do well and was one of the best players in pre-season.

If Gray picks the same keeper and back 4 as St Mirren and Celtic home we really have no clue.

I think Bowie has to start and Kwon too.

Newell is undroppablle so he will play - it’s just who plays next to him. Last thing I want is to have 2 defensive midfielders and Newell getting in the way of Kwon doing his job.
Yip we need a player or two to fire up the crowd, Boyle use to be that player but any longer, hopefully Rudi will be that player.

[Lago]

2 to 3 years?

I was born in 1983, and since then we've spent more seasons in the division below (4) than we've come 3rd (3).

Of the seasons we've been in the top league (37) we've averaged a 6-7th place finish.

It's basically been a whole lifetime of mid table dullness, with a few good seasons thrown in along the way.
I was being kind, have had the advantage of watching the Tornadoes so kind of colours my judgement, hopefully things will look up 🤞

[GreenCastle]

You'd give up on the new players already? 2 league games in?

I’ve watched them in league cup and 3 league games…

Wouldn’t say give up on them but if Ekpiteta plays he has to have his best game in Hibs shirt.

Simon Murray will press him and run in behind and so far these are areas he needs work on.

I’m actually more concerned about Bursic but made many a post about it - get a better keeper and whole back line look more assured.

Again if Bursic plays he is due a good game - if he has a shocker then we only have ourselves to blame as plenty warning signs in the games so far.

[Tambo]

Omg that team would ship 5 by half time

Lewis Miller starts

The backup goalie lost to Kelty

I'm not sure how you have come to that conclusion but fair enough.

Let's play Bursik again and be nervous every time the ball goes near him.
Miller who has had his chance many times and 9/10 he's *****.

Let's not play Kwon
Let's drop Newell and bring in Amos or Levitt
Campbell over Rudi

Boyle again and not start a young hungry player.
Maybe Jair or Mckirdy can play wide left.

[Donegal Hibby]

It’s funny how Campbell gets criticism for the loss at Parkhead yet the one player who I thought had the poorest game is picked in the team to play Dundee about 8 times .

[GreenCastle]

It’s funny how Campbell gets criticism for the loss at Parkhead yet the one player who I thought had the poorest game is picked in the team to play Dundee about 8 times .

Probably as we will have more ball against Dundee and Campbell mostly ran about and looked busy.

Can you remind me all the good moments he had on Sunday?

I watched the game but can hardly remember anything.

[easty]

It’s funny how Campbell gets criticism for the loss at Parkhead yet the one player who I thought had the poorest game is picked in the team to play Dundee about 8 times .

Football teams don’t get generally get picked based on the last games performance? General ability and general performance level over a period of time are more important?

[supermcginn]

It’s funny how Campbell gets criticism for the loss at Parkhead yet the one player who I thought had the poorest game is picked in the team to play Dundee about 8 times .

He's been poor since he broke into the team years ago, nobody isn't picking him because of parkhead. He just hasn't got it.

[hibee-boys]

Probably as we will have more ball against Dundee and Campbell mostly ran about and looked busy.

Can you remind me all the good moments he had on Sunday?

I watched the game but can hardly remember anything.

Unfortunately people’s assessment of Campbell having a ‘good’ game is driven by the mistakes that he doesn’t make, not positive contributions. We weren’t on the ball much so the opportunity to make errors whilst in possession were limited thus he’s not stood out like a sore thumb for once. If we start with Campbell/Newell in the starting XI against Dundee than we can only deduce that SDG long standing relationships with players has clouded his judgement, there would be no other possible explanation for it.

[Donegal Hibby]

Football teams don’t get generally get picked based on the last games performance? General ability and general performance level over a period of time are more important?

That’s fair enough easty but you could look at the St mirren game and say he was at fault in that too though.

[easty]

Unfortunately people’s assessment of Campbell having a ‘good’ game is driven by the mistakes that he doesn’t make, not positive contributions. We weren’t on the ball much so the opportunity to make errors whilst in possession were limited thus he’s not stood out like a sore thumb for once. If we start with Campbell/Newell in the starting XI against Dundee than we can only deduce that SDG long standing relationships with players has clouded his judgement, there would be no other possible explanation for it.

We beat Dundee 2-1 away last season with both those players starting.

Newell started all 3 games v Dundee last season. Won 2, drew 1.

[Donegal Hibby]

Probably as we will have more ball against Dundee and Campbell mostly ran about and looked busy.

Can you remind me all the good moments he had on Sunday?

I watched the game but can hardly remember anything.

In Celtics first game of the season they had 83% possession against the team that finished fourth , 824 passes , we had over double the amount of possession . Most teams players are running about chasing shadows though again Campbell was probably one of our better ones while Obita was clearly a weakness in the team .

[greenlex]

Unfortunately people’s assessment of Campbell having a ‘good’ game is driven by the mistakes that he doesn’t make, not positive contributions. We weren’t on the ball much so the opportunity to make errors whilst in possession were limited thus he’s not stood out like a sore thumb for once. If we start with Campbell/Newell in the starting XI against Dundee than we can only deduce that SDG long standing relationships with players has clouded his judgement, there would be no other possible explanation for it.
So pressing doesn’t come into thinking against Celtic at all? Celtics shots either off or on target were limited in relative terms to other sides they play against. Three or four of the 5 goals they scored against us over the two games were arguably our own undoing too. Granted we didn’t create too much going the other way but that’s what you get against the best team in the league by a distance.

[He's here!]

2 to 3 years?

I was born in 1983, and since then we've spent more seasons in the division below (4) than we've come 3rd (3).

Of the seasons we've been in the top league (37) we've averaged a 6-7th place finish.

It's basically been a whole lifetime of mid table dullness, with a few good seasons thrown in along the way.

In that time we've come third 1993/94, 2000/01, 2004/05 and 2020/21. Still nothing to brag about.

The difference is that until the last few years, in your lifetime there have consistently been players who, even in poor Hibs teams, who can get the fans onside. The dearth of such players since the Gordon regime really started calling the shots, is what's really noticeable.

[Hibees1973]

Yip we need a player or two to fire up the crowd, Boyle use to be that player but any longer, hopefully Rudi will be that player.

Just need to be disciplined and organised at the back so we don't lose so many stupid goals.

Gray can coach and guide the defenders but do they have the nouse to carry this out.

On what I've seen so far this is doubtful.

[Donegal Hibby]

We beat Dundee 2-1 away last season with both those players starting.

Newell started all 3 games v Dundee last season. Won 2, drew 1.

In our 3 games with Dundee I think we have had 63 % , 60 % possession at home while having 55% away from home where we had to play nearly a half hour with ten men . I think in all 3 games Cameron and McCowan played for Dundee.

I get the concerns about the midfield though this weekends game I think the most concerning thing is how we defend with Obita a particular concern , Murray will have a field day if he continues to switch off the way he’s been doing.

[eastterrace]

You do realise this is my team and not the actual selection for Saturday?
Not sure Bowie is fully up to speed yet anyway. yes I did realised it was your team that’s why I said are you mad.

[Coco Bryce]

It’s funny how Campbell gets criticism for the loss at Parkhead yet the one player who I thought had the poorest game is picked in the team to play Dundee about 8 times .

Nope. I criticise him for most games he plays.

[Coco Bryce]

Yeah collectively it was a poor team performance though that wasn’t what started our debate with your rolling eyes though , wasn’t it? :greengrin

Nope again. He was especially murder that day as well.

[Donegal Hibby]

Nope again. He was especially murder that day as well.

No disrespect mate though you’re singling out one player once again . The St Mirren game I thought we were the better team in the first half and could have been 1-0 up at halftime.

The 2nd half the first goal starts from our right side , don’t know where Miller is and Boyle doesn’t track the runner , NMW is skinned and it’s a cracking finish. Even at 1-0 down we had a good chance to equalise though .

The 2nd goal is another defensive mistake from Ekpiteta and the 3rd is Scott I think down our left side with as much time and space as your likely to see in a football match , you have to ask a simple question in where is the fullback ? .

Really bad goals to lose and I agree Campbell didn’t have a good game though there were other players equally at fault and in some cases even more so …

I think we had something like 53% possession away from home and shots wise 15/3 to their 9/4 . Mistakes are costing us which can’t be all be down to the one player some of you would like it to be though.

Thought Gray summed it up well …

https://youtu.be/QLxK-t_Ya5s?feature=shared

[greenlex]

No disrespect mate though you’re singling out one player once again . The St Mirren game I thought we were the better team in the first half and could have been 1-0 up at halftime.

The 2nd half the first goal starts from our right side , don’t know where Miller is and Boyle doesn’t track the runner , NMW is skinned and it’s a cracking finish. Even at 1-0 down we had a good chance to equalise though .

The 2nd goal is another defensive mistake from Ekpiteta and the 3rd is Scott I think down our left side with as much time and space as your likely to see in a football match , you have to ask a simple question in where is the fullback ? .

Really bad goals to lose and I agree Campbell didn’t have a good game though there were other players equally at fault and in some cases even more so …

I think we had something like 53% possession away from home and shots wise 15/3 to their 9/4 . Mistakes are costing us which can’t be all be down to the one player some of you would like it to be though.

Thought Gray summed it up well …

https://youtu.be/QLxK-t_Ya5s?feature=shared

No no. Get with the programme. Campbell is poor. Especially poor that day.,

[Coco Bryce]

No disrespect mate though you’re singling out one player once again . The St Mirren game I thought we were the better team in the first half and could have been 1-0 up at halftime.

The 2nd half the first goal starts from our right side , don’t know where Miller is and Boyle doesn’t track the runner , NMW is skinned and it’s a cracking finish. Even at 1-0 down we had a good chance to equalise though .

The 2nd goal is another defensive mistake from Ekpiteta and the 3rd is Scott I think down our left side with as much time and space as your likely to see in a football match , you have to ask a simple question in where is the fullback ? .

Really bad goals to lose and I agree Campbell didn’t have a good game though there were other players equally at fault and in some cases even more so …

I think we had something like 53% possession away from home and shots wise 15/3 to their 9/4 . Mistakes are costing us which can’t be all be down to the one player some of you would like it to be though.

Thought Gray summed it up well …

https://youtu.be/QLxK-t_Ya5s?feature=shared

Nope. Not having it.

I've seen with my own eyes (on way to many occasions now) how poor a footballer he is.

Hopefully when the new players come in his game time with be very limited.

[Donegal Hibby]

Nope. Not having it.

I've seen with my own eyes (on way to many occasions now) how poor a footballer he is.

Hopefully when the new players come in his game time with be very limited.

Doesn’t matter what you’re not having �� …. Gray rates him ��

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-boss-reveals-ambitious-plans-homegrown-hero-striker-admission-4691359

[badabing67]

Smith

Miller Rocky O'Hora Obita N Cadden

C Cadden Kwon

Hoilett

Bowie Myko


Hoilett not available till September

[Nicho87]

I’d line up

Smith

Cadden Miller O’Hora Obita

Kwon Newell

Bowie Rudi Cadden

Myk

[cubehindthegoal]

I’d line up

Smith

Cadden Miller O’Hora Obita

Kwon Newell

Bowie Rudi Cadden

Myk


That’s about it for me midfield for the mid and front … formation of it debatable, but same six for me .. we haven’t better at the moment .. and could be very good with a strong five behind them ..

.. goalie at this stage is unresolved …

… Miller at centre I get what you are thinking… I hope we go buy that other CH we need .. that is so key now. Brave, but could also be slaughtered .. and we do like to slaughter our managers lol .. LB needs good competition, but we might not achieve all we want this window.

[jakeshibs]

In that time we've come third 1993/94, 2000/01, 2004/05 and 2020/21. Still nothing to brag about.

The difference is that until the last few years, in your lifetime there have consistently been players who, even in poor Hibs teams, who can get the fans onside. The dearth of such players since the Gordon regime really started calling the shots, is what's really noticeable.

I think that blaming the Gordons is unfair. They have invested more than anyone and backed every manager. Although recruitment could have been better, the money spent has been significant. Vente, Marcondes Myziane, and Bowie are evidence of that. Vente may not have worked, but his form and reputation before Hibs were great.


We have only achieved 3rd in the league occasionally since the 80s, and we have been relegated more times. If you analyse this, you will know back then, we had no social media, and we supported the team and players more effectively; we never went out and bothered players by calling them crap or telling them they were unwanted.

I spent my youth going down to Jock's Lodge to watch Hibs train; let's get behind them all, as collectively, we deserve better results.

[Saint Hibee]

A slightly tangential question, but just went to get my son a ticket for the game on Saturday and noticed that there’s no longer a student category, or am I missing something?

[Coco Bryce]

A slightly tangential question, but just went to get my son a ticket for the game on Saturday and noticed that there’s no longer a student category, or am I missing something?

No Student discount available for single home games anymore.

Season tickets only.

[Saint Hibee]

No Student discount available for single home games anymore.

Season tickets only.

😭

[He's here!]

I think that blaming the Gordons is unfair. They have invested more than anyone and backed every manager. Although recruitment could have been better, the money spent has been significant. Vente, Marcondes Myziane, and Bowie are evidence of that. Vente may not have worked, but his form and reputation before Hibs were great.


We have only achieved 3rd in the league occasionally since the 80s, and we have been relegated more times. If you analyse this, you will know back then, we had no social media, and we supported the team and players more effectively; we never went out and bothered players by calling them crap or telling them they were unwanted.

I spent my youth going down to Jock's Lodge to watch Hibs train; let's get behind them all, as collectively, we deserve better results.

FWIW we've finished fourth 4 times since the 80s and been relegated twice.

I agree with a lot of what you say (as someone who would hang about ER on weekdays during one of our grimmest eras to get the autographs of the likes of Kenny Waugh, Willie Irvine etc!) but while the Gordons do appear to be investing heavily in the squad it just feels like there's a disconnect between club and fans. Whether that's because most of the signings have turned out to be poor or whether there are just so many people seemingly involved in the process that things become rather faceless I don't know, but IMHO there's a lack of identity to Hibs thee days.

[easty]

FWIW we've finished fourth 4 times since the 80s and been relegated twice.

I agree with a lot of what you say (as someone who would hang about ER on weekdays during one of our grimmest eras to get the autographs of the likes of Kenny Waugh, Willie Irvine etc!) but while the Gordons do appear to be investing heavily in the squad it just feels like there's a disconnect between club and fans. Whether that's because most of the signings have turned out to be poor or whether there are just so many people seemingly involved in the process that things become rather faceless I don't know, but IMHO there's a lack of identity to Hibs thee days.

What does “lack of identity” mean, to you?

When did we last have an identity?

I just want to see us winning games of football.

[Keith_M]

5-0 Hibs


Nurse!

[He's here!]

What does “lack of identity” mean, to you?

When did we last have an identity?

I just want to see us winning games of football.

I guess 'character' might be a better word.

It would be easy to say teams like the Tornadoes, the peak McLeish team, Mowbray's young guns or Stubbs' cup winners (all of which just about picked themselves) had an identity/character because they were full of quality players and played football the fans enjoyed. However, even in darker days when the football could often be pretty awful, Hibs teams have maintained some sort of character. Post-Tornadoes you could still warm to the likes of Gordon Rae, Jackie McNamara, George Stewart, even Alan Sneddon and Ally Brazil, who played with their hearts on their sleeves, while the mid-80s emergence of John Collins, Paul Kane (who, granted, wasn't everyone's favourite), Mickey Weir, Gordon Hunter, Calum Milne etc kept fans onside. Even Alex Miller, perceived as relentlessly dull, shaped his teams around some fine players, from the glamour of Steve Archibald to quality signings like Goram, Wright, Jackson, McAllister and O'Neill. Another perceived 'dullard' Bobby Williamson oversaw the dawn of the golden generation of youngsters which Mowbray built on so impressively. Yes, there have been spells when the team has lacked character but even in the Duffy/Fenlon days there's been a Chic Charnley or Leigh Griffiths to add a bit of zest.

In recent years, Hibs have probably reminded me most of the Calderwood era when the whole club just seemed to be in a state of torpor and there was just nothing about the team to hang your hat on. Fingers crossed, as you say, a winning team might finally see the emergence of something more colourful.

[Smartie]

What does “lack of identity” mean, to you?

When did we last have an identity?

I just want to see us winning games of football.

This is one of my real pet peeves at the moment.

I've no idea what this "identity" chat is all about.

We're a bit pish. As a team we're underperforming, our players are generally short of the required standard, our results are short of the required standard, our football isn't what it needs to be.

It might be about to click as we integrate a lot of new players. When we do that, do we have an identity?

It just sounds like an easy way to criticise a pish team. If it's hard to see what they're trying to do because they're struggling to do it, you can accuse them of having a lack of identity.

[JimBHibees]

This is one of my real pet peeves at the moment.

I've no idea what this "identity" chat is all about.

We're a bit pish. As a team we're underperforming, our players are generally short of the required standard, our results are short of the required standard, our football isn't what it needs to be.

It might be about to click as we integrate a lot of new players. When we do that, do we have an identity?

It just sounds like an easy way to criticise a pish team. If it's hard to see what they're trying to do because they're struggling to do it, you can accuse them of having a lack of identity.

Agree Michael Stewart loved coming out with that guff last couple of seasons.

[Paulie Walnuts]

No Student discount available for single home games anymore.

Season tickets only.

That seems an utterly bizarre decision with there being a huge student population in Edinburgh.

[Coco Bryce]

That seems an utterly bizarre decision with there being a huge student population in Edinburgh.

It was getting abused.

[Albert Kidd 86’]

We had better be ready for what will be a fast moving, attacking Dundee imho, they will smell blood in the water.

our defence and midfield are in for a torrid time I reckon.

like the op said, big game, we MUST stamp our authority on them early and keep the foot on their throat.

I am nervously optimistic (as always).

‘mon the cabbage!

[B.H.F.C]

We had better be ready for what will be a fast moving, attacking Dundee imho, they will smell blood in the water.

our defence and midfield are in for a torrid time I reckon.

like the op said, big game, we MUST stamp our authority on them early and keep the foot on their throat.

I am nervously optimistic (as always).

‘mon the cabbage!

I’m pretty confident we can hurt Dundee. They’re not very good defensively themselves. They will give us chances so we need to defend better ourselves for a change. Guess they’ll be saying the same though.

[we are hibs]

We need to get as many of the new signings into the starting 11 as possible at the weekend.

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[NAE NOOKIE]

What does “lack of identity” mean, to you?

When did we last have an identity?

I just want to see us winning games of football.

Absolutely mate. In all the time I've been a Hibs supporter not once, not ever, have I woken up on the first day of the season and though .. 'oh gosh, I hope we have an 'identity' this season'

Ye win games, ye dinnae win games .... there's only 3 'identities'

A) ... Guid
B) ... Bang average
C) ... Pish

At the moment we are in category 'C' and starting this Saturday we need to start aiming for 'A'

[JimBHibees]

I’m pretty confident we can hurt Dundee. They’re not very good defensively themselves. They will give us chances so we need to defend better ourselves for a change. Guess they’ll be saying the same though.

Exactly my view on this game

[Lago]

:top marks
I guess 'character' might be a better word.

It would be easy to say teams like the Tornadoes, the peak McLeish team, Mowbray's young guns or Stubbs' cup winners (all of which just about picked themselves) had an identity/character because they were full of quality players and played football the fans enjoyed. However, even in darker days when the football could often be pretty awful, Hibs teams have maintained some sort of character. Post-Tornadoes you could still warm to the likes of Gordon Rae, Jackie McNamara, George Stewart, even Alan Sneddon and Ally Brazil, who played with their hearts on their sleeves, while the mid-80s emergence of John Collins, Paul Kane (who, granted, wasn't everyone's favourite), Mickey Weir, Gordon Hunter, Calum Milne etc kept fans onside. Even Alex Miller, perceived as relentlessly dull, shaped his teams around some fine players, from the glamour of Steve Archibald to quality signings like Goram, Wright, Jackson, McAllister and O'Neill. Another perceived 'dullard' Bobby Williamson oversaw the dawn of the golden generation of youngsters which Mowbray built on so impressively. Yes, there have been spells when the team has lacked character but even in the Duffy/Fenlon days there's been a Chic Charnley or Leigh Griffiths to add a bit of zest.

In recent years, Hibs have probably reminded me most of the Calderwood era when the whole club just seemed to be in a state of torpor and there was just nothing about the team to hang your hat on. Fingers crossed, as you say, a winning team might finally see the emergence of something more colourful.

[Smartie]

I guess 'character' might be a better word.

It would be easy to say teams like the Tornadoes, the peak McLeish team, Mowbray's young guns or Stubbs' cup winners (all of which just about picked themselves) had an identity/character because they were full of quality players and played football the fans enjoyed. However, even in darker days when the football could often be pretty awful, Hibs teams have maintained some sort of character. Post-Tornadoes you could still warm to the likes of Gordon Rae, Jackie McNamara, George Stewart, even Alan Sneddon and Ally Brazil, who played with their hearts on their sleeves, while the mid-80s emergence of John Collins, Paul Kane (who, granted, wasn't everyone's favourite), Mickey Weir, Gordon Hunter, Calum Milne etc kept fans onside. Even Alex Miller, perceived as relentlessly dull, shaped his teams around some fine players, from the glamour of Steve Archibald to quality signings like Goram, Wright, Jackson, McAllister and O'Neill. Another perceived 'dullard' Bobby Williamson oversaw the dawn of the golden generation of youngsters which Mowbray built on so impressively. Yes, there have been spells when the team has lacked character but even in the Duffy/Fenlon days there's been a Chic Charnley or Leigh Griffiths to add a bit of zest.

In recent years, Hibs have probably reminded me most of the Calderwood era when the whole club just seemed to be in a state of torpor and there was just nothing about the team to hang your hat on. Fingers crossed, as you say, a winning team might finally see the emergence of something more colourful.

I do think we have players who have character, arguably we don't have enough of them though so your point is fair.

Youan - oozes character, and I say that as someone who isn't necessarily a fan. Whilst I'm not a fan, I think that we'd miss his character if he were to move on (arguably we're already missing it).

Does Rocky not have character? Miller? Boyle? McKirdy? These are players who may all be viewed differently through the rose-tinted specs of nostalgia. That's before we get onto the new guys, of whom we don't know much yet.

[He's here!]

I do think we have players who have character, arguably we don't have enough of them though so your point is fair.

Youan - oozes character, and I say that as someone who isn't necessarily a fan. Whilst I'm not a fan, I think that we'd miss his character if he were to move on (arguably we're already missing it).

Does Rocky not have character? Miller? Boyle? McKirdy? These are players who may all be viewed differently through the rose-tinted specs of nostalgia. That's before we get onto the new guys, of whom we don't know much yet.

I agree to an extent although part of the reason I feel we lack identity is that we seem to have a phenomenally high number of here today gone tomorrow signings coming through the door in recent years, some of whom we barely see on the pitch, which makes a bond between club and fans harder to forge.

The players you mention have character in the sense they're easy to pick out on the pitch but while Youan in particular has the ability to play at a higher level I never get the sense the team is as 'up' for games as often as they should be.

[Septimus]

Looks as though we will get to see a million pound midfielder at least. Looking forward to it

[Donegal Hibby]

We had better be ready for what will be a fast moving, attacking Dundee imho, they will smell blood in the water.

our defence and midfield are in for a torrid time I reckon.

like the op said, big game, we MUST stamp our authority on them early and keep the foot on their throat.

I am nervously optimistic (as always).

‘mon the cabbage!

Our last 3 game against them we have won 2 and drawn 1 which we totally dominated and that’s with both Cameron and McCowan playing. Good side though

[JohnM1875]

It was getting abused.

Get there were some folk that were abusing it but shouldn't be actual students that suffer for it!

Like Paulie Walnuts said, Edinburgh is full of students and its hard enough and expensive enough as it is to live in Edinburgh.

Hibs are a community club and students are an important part of Edinburghs community. Ridiculous decision from Hibs to stop student prices.

[easty]

Get there were some folk that were abusing it but shouldn't be actual students that suffer for it!

Like someone else said Edinburgh is full of students and its hard enough and expensive enough as it is to live in Edinburgh.

Hibs are a community club and students are an important part of Edinburghs community. Ridiculous decision from Hibs to stop student prices.

:agree:

If Hibs want to ensure that it's only students buying student tickets then they should look into how they do that, not just scrap the student discount.

[Saint Hibee]

:agree:

If Hibs want to ensure that it's only students buying student tickets then they should look into how they do that, not just scrap the student discount.

Yeah, it's a bit disappointing. It could surely be some kind of arrangement where you just have to present your student card at a particular turnstile to gain entry with your ticket. My son goes to about two thirds of home games, so it didn't seem worth renewing a season ticket, but having to pay full adult rates he might reconsider going at all. Plus he's a glory-seeking bed-wetter!

[cabbageandribs1875]

It was getting abused.


i don't think they've went about it the right way though, why punish students that can only afford to go to just a few games each season


unless of course they maybe just wanted to cut cheaper tickets for a certain group

[HoboHarry]

This is one of my real pet peeves at the moment.

I've no idea what this "identity" chat is all about.

We're a bit pish. As a team we're underperforming, our players are generally short of the required standard, our results are short of the required standard, our football isn't what it needs to be.

It might be about to click as we integrate a lot of new players. When we do that, do we have an identity?

It just sounds like an easy way to criticise a pish team. If it's hard to see what they're trying to do because they're struggling to do it, you can accuse them of having a lack of identity.
It's a saying that's right up there with "he/she/they don't understand because they've never played the game professionally". It's something ex-players say when they don't have anything sensible to contribute but know it's their job to keep talking. Just makes the person saying it (Michael Stewart especially) look daft in my opinion.

[B.H.F.C]

Bursik

Miller
Ekpiteta
O’Hora
Obita

Kwon
Newell
Molotnikov

Bowie
Myko
Nicky Cadden

If we had a better option at left back, I’d drop Obita. Ekpiteta will be lucky to keep his place but I don’t think we should give up on him too quickly, we should give him and O’Hora a run at it in the absence of any better options. I’d gladly see Newell dropped but it’s not going to happen.

Line up gets pretty much all the new players who are available in to the team and I think that’s what we need to do.

[MWHIBBIES]

:agree:

If Hibs want to ensure that it's only students buying student tickets then they should look into how they do that, not just scrap the student discount.

Agreed. Utterly moronic from Hibs. Lazy as well. Every year thousands of new students start uni in Edinburgh. Should be focusing on that market.

[greenlex]

:agree:

If Hibs want to ensure that it's only students buying student tickets then they should look into how they do that, not just scrap the student discount.
Maybe they did and found the vast majority of student tickets weren’t purchased by students and didn’t think it was worth the manpower cost of policing it. :dunno:

[Hibees1973]

We had better be ready for what will be a fast moving, attacking Dundee imho, they will smell blood in the water.

our defence and midfield are in for a torrid time I reckon.

like the op said, big game, we MUST stamp our authority on them early and keep the foot on their throat.

I am nervously optimistic (as always).

‘mon the cabbage!

So Dundee will 'smell blood' when they turn up at ER on Saturday. I've never seen any post about Dundee used in this context on hibs.net

It's not that I dispute your post, but what a depressing thought. It's Dundee.

We should be optimistic about a win, but with this goalkeeper and defence we can in no way be confident.

What a sorry mess.

[He's here!]

So Dundee will 'smell blood' when they turn up at ER on Saturday. I've never seen any post about Dundee used in this context on hibs.net

It's not that I dispute your post, but what a depressing thought. It's Dundee.

We should be optimistic about a win, but with this goalkeeper and defence we can in no way be confident.

What a sorry mess.

Dundee aren't the minnows some seem to think (ie a team we should be beating as a matter of routine). A look on Soccer Base shows we have the upper hand in wins by 103 to 89 (60 draws) but it's hardly total domination. On current evidence I think they're a better team than us and I'll be pleasantly surprised if we manage to beat them.

[zitelli62]

Dundee aren't the minnows some seem to think (ie a team we should be beating as a matter of routine). A look on Soccer Base shows we have the upper hand in wins by 103 to 89 (60 draws) but it's hardly total domination. On current evidence I think they're a better team than us and I'll be pleasantly surprised if we manage to beat them.

Cmon it's dundee not real Madrid having supported hibs for over 50 years and seen some crap teams over the years surely hibs would not worry about dundee but with the amount of negativity surrounding the first team after 2 losses to a team I personally think will go the season unbeaten I think we need to get behind the team we're at home and should win .

[Northernhibee]

Cmon it's dundee not real Madrid having supported hibs for over 50 years and seen some crap teams over the years surely hibs would not worry about dundee but with the amount of negativity surrounding the first team after 2 losses to a team I personally think will go the season unbeaten I think we need to get behind the team we're at home and should win .
And we’re Hibs, not Barcelona.

[JohnM1875]

And we’re Hibs, not Barcelona.

I do think folk are going a bit OTT about Dundee though. They're a decent team, no more than that. I watched the Hearts game and although Dundee won 3-1 it probably should have been 3-3. Oda missed two unbelievable chances inside the Dundee box.

[Albert Kidd 86’]

So Dundee will 'smell blood' when they turn up at ER on Saturday. I've never seen any post about Dundee used in this context on hibs.net

It's not that I dispute your post, but what a depressing thought. It's Dundee.

We should be optimistic about a win, but with this goalkeeper and defence we can in no way be confident.

What a sorry mess.

I do think we will win, BUT, to do so, we will have to be completely switched on for the whole 90mins. Docherty is proving to be a very good manager and has a good football brain. He knows our weaknesses and you can be sure he will test them.

more particularly, I have noticed other teams seem to adopt a tactic against us of switching attacking formations and approach play around 30mins in and we seem to struggle to adapt and before you know it they score, (re St. Mirren, but it goes back longer than that).

when this happens it is almost as if we are so driiled in one way of playing we do not notice the flip. That is what makes me nervous, it is such an easy thing to do against us and has to be stopped.

I agree it is a strange situation where Dundee at home feels a huge game. But it is what it is and we just need to suck it up and win.

[JimBHibees]

:agree:

If Hibs want to ensure that it's only students buying student tickets then they should look into how they do that, not just scrap the student discount.

Agree make it mandatory to show id when buying ticket.

[Northernhibee]

I do think folk are going a bit OTT about Dundee though. They're a decent team, no more than that. I watched the Hearts game and although Dundee won 3-1 it probably should have been 3-3. Oda missed two unbelievable chances inside the Dundee box.

They deserve a lot of respect. They’ve recruited very well and appear to be a well run club, and in a league where almost anyone can beat anyone else that makes them a dangerous team.

[flash]

They deserve a lot of respect. They’ve recruited very well and appear to be a well run club, and in a league where almost anyone can beat anyone else that makes them a dangerous team.

"Well run club" doing some Olympic level heavy lifting there.

[Northernhibee]

"Well run club" doing some Olympic level heavy lifting there.

They’ve recruited well, signed a good manager, just finished top six and look odds on to do the same again this year.

[we are hibs]

Looks like no Hoilett until after the international break.

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[GreenCastle]

They deserve a lot of respect. They’ve recruited very well and appear to be a well run club, and in a league where almost anyone can beat anyone else that makes them a dangerous team.

They have recruited well and have a decent youth system but their pitch last season and stadium are a bit of a shambles (I know they are looking to upgrade the stadium(and have improved the pitch) which would be good for Scottish football and Dundee).

They hired McInnes assistant so no co-incidence they are doing well with a guy who has good experience as a number 2.

The league this season will be the tightest it’s been - so really every game is massive. Celtic will win it but St Mirren / Dundee / Killie etc are all in stable places.

[Northernhibee]

They have recruited well and have a decent youth system but their pitch last season and stadium are a bit of a shambles (I know they are looking to upgrad that which would be good for Scottish football and Dundee).

They hired McInnes assistant so no co-incidence they are doing well with a guy who has good experience as a number 2.

The league this season will be the tightest it’s been - so really every game is massive. Celtic will win it but St Mirren / Dundee / Killie etc are all in stable places.

To be fair to them, their ground directly runs over an antiquated drainage system that can’t handle heavy rainfall.

Dens is a a ****hole though.

[flash]

They’ve recruited well, signed a good manager, just finished top six and look odds on to do the same again this year.

They have but they always seem to be teetering on the edge of financial disaster not to mention the dilapidated stadium.

[flash]

Looks like no Hoilett until after the international break.

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That's only 2 games away so not so bad.

[easty]

They’ve recruited well, signed a good manager, just finished top six and look odds on to do the same again this year.

I don’t think they’ll finish top 6

[Pretty Green]

Looks like no Hoilett until after the international break.

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Makes me wonder what the point of his signing actually was.

[BoomtownHibees]

Makes me wonder what the point of his signing actually was.

What, cos he will miss 4 league games and a cup game?

[TrinityHFC]

Makes me wonder what the point of his signing actually was.

Does it? So we shouldn't bother signing anyone else from here for the rest of the season?

[Jones28]

Agreed. Utterly moronic from Hibs. Lazy as well. Every year thousands of new students start uni in Edinburgh. Should be focusing on that market.

It seems crazy, there are now student flats within a 10 minute walk from ER and to close off their opportunity to buy a walk up ticket at a discounted rate seems madness.

I can only imagine there has been a significant amount of abuse of the system that has meant they've had no choice.

It's a hard sell to say to this market that you can't have walk up tickets at a discount but if you buy a season ticket and commit to 20 odd games a season - many of which are over periods you will be out of the city - you can.

[Coco Bryce]

Maybe they did and found the vast majority of student tickets weren’t purchased by students and didn’t think it was worth the manpower cost of policing it. :dunno:

I think this was more the case.

Still thinks it's poor from the club they've scrapped it completely though.

There must have been a better solution?

[hibee-boys]

It seems crazy, there are now student flats within a 10 minute walk from ER and to close off their opportunity to buy a walk up ticket at a discounted rate seems madness.

I can only imagine there has been a significant amount of abuse of the system that has meant they've had no choice.

It's a hard sell to say to this market that you can't have walk up tickets at a discount but if you buy a season ticket and commit to 20 odd games a season - many of which are over periods you will be out of the city - you can.

You’d think they could offer students tickets for pick up only with a student card to confirm. Doubt that would create much of an administration headache as the ticket office is manned pre game anyway.

[Dashing Bob S]

They have recruited well and have a decent youth system but their pitch last season and stadium are a bit of a shambles (I know they are looking to upgrade the stadium(and have improved the pitch) which would be good for Scottish football and Dundee).

They hired McInnes assistant so no co-incidence they are doing well with a guy who has good experience as a number 2.

The league this season will be the tightest it’s been - so really every game is massive. Celtic will win it but St Mirren / Dundee / Killie etc are all in stable places.


This is very true. Motherwell also in that clutch of clubs that are well run. But like Hearts and Aberdeen, given the resource difference, we really should be pulling away from them. It's pointless us, Hearts and A'deen moaning about how we can't get closer to the OF if we can't get away from the rest.

[He's here!]

[/B]

This is very true. Motherwell also in that clutch of clubs that are well run. But like Hearts and Aberdeen, given the resource difference, we really should be pulling away from them. It's pointless us, Hearts and A'deen moaning about how we can't get closer to the OF if we can't get away from the rest.

I imagine Aberdeen and Hearts (despite their dodgy start) will pull comfortably away. We would need to become a good team to do so, something we've not been for several years now.

[Jones28]

You’d think they could offer students tickets for pick up only with a student card to confirm. Doubt that would create much of an administration headache as the ticket office is manned pre game anyway.

It's what I did when I was a student.

From what I remember to buy my season ticket I had to send my matriculation number to them, I wonder if this is the abuse being referred to. Would they have a way of ensuring one number wasn't being used to buy multiple tickets for example.

[Ronniekirk]

Makes me wonder what the point of his signing actually was.
Thsts why we gave him a year long contract presumsbly and not just six months
But will tske a few games after the break till he gets match fit

[Wull]

Thsts why we gave him a year long contract presumsbly and not just six months
But will tske a few games after the break till he gets match fit

Can’t remember if Gray said it or my wishful thinking that we would be bringing in players ready to be challenging first team duties, Nicky Cadden Hoilet, including Amos and others not match fit it seems we failed to make that criteria again as per the last few seasons. And to have a crocs list already JDH and Ellie maybe others, you have got to wonder if anybody in charge has a clue what they are doing.

[JohnM1875]

Obviously hope we win on Saturday like I do every game. But mainly just to shut Dundee fans up.

Scraped into the top six over a horrific Hibs team under Monty. Aye, they’ve had a good start this year but my word, their fans are unbearable just now! Boy in work was chatting about finishing second.

[erin go bragh]

Obviously hope we win on Saturday like I do every game. But mainly just to shut Dundee fans up.

Scraped into the top six over a horrific Hibs team under Monty. Aye, they’ve had a good start this year but my word, their fans are unbearable just now! Boy in work was chatting about finishing second.

Dundee the most relegated team in the Scottish top flight since league reconstruction in 1974 ( Hearts 2nd most)
Can't remember Dundee ever winning anything tbh. Only decent things they have done in 40 years is Saint Albert and that Email to relegate Hearts.
Really hope we put them in their place on Saturday.

[Keepthefaith]

It's really interesting to see Hibs fans falling over themselves about docherty, a guy with no managerial experience prior to joining them, yet many of the same folk saying Gray doesn't have the experience needed!

Are folk also forgetting we've signed Bowie, Kwon and big myk since st mirren? ( Also that we played well and should have been leading first half?)

I'm looking forward to an attacking game and I think we'll see a strong performance and victory from the lads in green. Kwon will IMO be the most important signing we've made. Sometimes in a system it can just take one key change for everything else to shift... keep believing!

[pacorosssco]

It's really interesting to see Hibs fans falling over themselves about docherty, a guy with no managerial experience prior to joining them, yet many of the same folk saying Gray doesn't have the experience needed!

Are folk also forgetting we've signed Bowie, Kwon and big myk since st mirren? ( Also that we played well and should have been leading first half?)

I'm looking forward to an attacking game and I think we'll see a strong performance and victory from the lads in green. Kwon will IMO be the most important signing we've made. Sometimes in a system it can just take one key change fo

r everything else to shift... keep believing!

Good points football is no equation. Docherty new to management but 15 years experience in dugout. Mowbray had a few years coaching experience but he had a rough but talented squad . Gray needs time and been around game which hopefully sees him succeed also. Good players are key to success for all managers

[tonyrougier123]

We will blow the dee away on Saturday by two or three goals, bolster the team further before the window shuts and go 10 unbeaten in the league! You heard it here first!

[JimBHibees]

We will blow the dee away on Saturday by two or three goals, bolster the team further before the window shuts and go 10 unbeaten in the league! You heard it here first!

I think you might be right.

[worcesterhibby]

We will blow the dee away on Saturday by two or three goals, bolster the team further before the window shuts and go 10 unbeaten in the league! You heard it here first!

your post is no more sensible than the doom and gloomers who reckon we are “a shambles” and will be relegated. But I much prefer your optimism :greengrin :flag::flag:

[Since452]

We will blow the dee away on Saturday by two or three goals, bolster the team further before the window shuts and go 10 unbeaten in the league! You heard it here first!

Kwon will have McCowan in his back pocket and people will stop wanting us to sign him 😉

[marinello59]

We will blow the dee away on Saturday by two or three goals, bolster the team further before the window shuts and go 10 unbeaten in the league! You heard it here first!

I like this. :greengrin

[Jones28]

Feeling increasingly optimistic about tomorrow.

More recruits getting up to speed, more balance in the midfield with Kwon, Rudi hopefully given a go through the middle and big Myk and Bowie who should be a physical forward line which will be a test for Dundee.

I'm going for a pointlessly positive 4-1 Hibs.

[Bobby's Cinema]

Feeling increasingly optimistic about tomorrow.

More recruits getting up to speed, more balance in the midfield with Kwon, Rudi hopefully given a go through the middle and big Myk and Bowie who should be a physical forward line which will be a test for Dundee.

I'm going for a pointlessly positive 4-1 Hibs.
Any kind of win this weekend will be excellent. Need 3points and starting to see something - anything - coming together to feel like our season has actually started.

Really hope to see the signings in forward areas on from the start (and I include cadden in that). DG was still talking about getting up to match fitness before the game last weekend, seeing them all on the bench still tomorrow will be a bit deflating.

Also for the two centre halves all they have seen of ER is a tiny crowd v Watford and an absolute run around v Celtic, will be good for them if we can get some goals and a win and start to settle them in to what we are all about and what it can be like.

Come on Hibs :gwa:

[SHODAN]

I have a feeling that tomorrow is going to be a football

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

I have a feeling that tomorrow is going to be a football

Doubt it!

[TrinityHFC]

Anyone managed to get the stream to the press conference to work?

[TrinityHFC]

Anyone managed to get the stream to the press conference to work?

Well it started eventually then lasted all of 5 mins.

[eastterrace]

Dundee have a terrible record at Easter road so what could go wrong.

[marinello59]

Dundee have a terrible record at Easter road so what could go wrong.

Where should we start? :greengrin

[Pagan Hibernia]

Dundee have a terrible record at Easter road so what could go wrong.

:greengrin

they have a poor record against us generally, home and away.

Tomorrow is their best chance of winning at ER for a long time though.

[SHODAN]

Our games against Dundee this century (most recent first): 2-1, 0-0, 1-0, 1-0, 4-1, 2-2, 2-1, 1-0, 1-1, 3-0, 4-0, 2-0, 4-4, 1-0, 1-1, 2-1, 2-2, 1-2, 3-0, 5-1, 1-2

Unbeaten run of seventeen games. Oh no!

[K-Zazu]

Our games against Dundee this century (most recent first): 2-1, 0-0, 1-0, 1-0, 4-1, 2-2, 2-1, 1-0, 1-1, 3-0, 4-0, 2-0, 4-4, 1-0, 1-1, 2-1, 2-2, 1-2, 3-0, 5-1, 1-2

Unbeaten run of seventeen games. Oh no!

Didn’t they beat us 3-1 up at Dens? I think Gray was caretaker manager for us?

[Pagan Hibernia]

Didn’t they beat us 3-1 up at Dens? I think Gray was caretaker manager for us?

That list is just home games

[JohnM1875]

Whether it eventually happens or not, the new video of their proposed stadium definitely looks good. Albeit its an animated proposal of what it could look like.

[Tambo]

A big game tomorrow, Mon the Hibs let's gets 3 points on the board.

Interested to see the line up tomorrow and if Gray drops anyone.

[Hibs90]

Bursik

Miller
Epiketa
O'Hora
Obita

Kwon

Newell
NMW

Boyle
Myko
Rudi

[Donegal Hibby]

A big game tomorrow, Mon the Hibs let's gets 3 points on the board.

Interested to see the line up tomorrow and if Gray drops anyone.

Been thinking if he’d make a few changes though apart from Kwon starting I don’t think we will see any others.

[Hibees1973]

Next two games Dundee (H) & Kilmarnock (A) will give us more of an idea where we are at. Really should be aiming for four points.

The international break is after the Kilmarnock game so it will be interesting the gauge the mood then. It's not good now. We will find out then if we have managed to bring in better players to improve the chronic weak points in the team. Goalkeeper, Central Defence & Midfield.

Our last three games. Was clearly guff anyone expecting us to take advantage of St Mirren playing in Europe. Much as the Celtic games were a write off it was pathetic to lose a goal in the first 4 minutes of both.

Gray has a monumental job on his hands to garner confidence from the support that he could be a half decent manager and to get a tune out of our lot.

[Paul1642]

Bursik

Miller
Epiketa
O'Hora
Obita

Kwon

Newell
NMW

Boyle
Myko
Rudi

If fit enough to start (which he should hopefully be by now) then swap Bowie for Boyle. Otherwise can’t argue with that team. I suspect Campbell will start over NMH though.

[yerauldda]

If fit enough to start (which he should hopefully be by now) then swap Bowie for Boyle. Otherwise can’t argue with that team. I suspect Campbell will start over NMH though.

I’m with you. Only change I’d make is Bowie in for Boyle from that XI.

[GreenCastle]

I’m curious to see if he makes any changes at the back.

We have lost 8 goals in 3 games with a few shocking defending mistakes.

Excited to see Kwon - think he will be a great signing.

Hopefully score our first goals of league season and still wondering if we will ever score off a long throw in!

[eastterrace]

Bursik

Miller
Epiketa
O'Hora
Obita

Kwon

Newell
NMW

Boyle
Myko
Rudi No Bowie jeez glad you ain’t the manager

[kentao]

I`d like to see us setup 3-5-2

Bursik

Obita
Epiketa
O'hora

Cadden
Newell
Kwon
Rudi
Cadden

Bowie
Myko

[B.H.F.C]

I’m curious to see if he makes any changes at the back.

We have lost 8 goals in 3 games with a few shocking defending mistakes.

Excited to see Kwon - think he will be a great signing.

Hopefully score our first goals of league season and still wondering if we will ever score off a long throw in!

I don’t think he’ll make too many. Kwon will come in. I think he might look to get Nicky Cadden in as well.

I’m not sure beyond that. Newell will obviously play but I still think he’ll play Josh Campbell as well.

Big team selection for Gray tomorrow. We need a result.

[GreenCastle]

I don’t think he’ll make too many. Kwon will come in. I think he might look to get Nicky Cadden in as well.

I’m not sure beyond that. Newell will obviously play but I still
Think he’ll play Josh Campbell as well.

While Dundee play a 4-3-3 -with the midfield having a deeper player and 2 higher - I won’t be impressed if we play x2 deeper with Kwon and Newell. Just seems defensive and unnecessary at home.

N.Cadden did well last week when he came on but where does he fit in ? Instead of Obita ?

Are 2 weakest players last week were Bursik and Expiteta.

Feels like 3 games in a row we haven’t had a midfield so I’m that improves as key area tomorrow and most games.

[B.H.F.C]

While Dundee play a 4-3-3 -with the midfield having a deeper player and 2 higher - I won’t be impressed if we play x2 deeper with Kwon and Newell. Just seems defensive and unnecessary at home.

N.Cadden did well last week when he came on but where does he fit in ? Instead of Obita ?

Are 2 weakest players last week were Bursik and Expiteta.

Feels like 3 games in a row we haven’t had a midfield so I’m that improves as key area tomorrow and most games.

I think he’ll go back to a back four with one of Ekpiteta or Rocky dropped. He could easily drop Ekpiteta but I think it’ll be Rocky.

I still think he’ll play Boyle so him right, Myko through the middle and Cadden on the left.

I might be totally wrong but I just think he will just stick with certain players like Boyle, Newell and Campbell.

For me I’d have Bowie in the team but I don’t think he’ll play.

[Green Reaper]

I think he’ll go back to a back four with one of Ekpiteta or Rocky dropped. He could easily drop Ekpiteta but I think it’ll be Rocky.

I still think he’ll play Boyle so him right, Myko through the middle and Cadden on the left.

I might be totally wrong but I just think he will just stick with certain players like Boyle, Newell and Campbell.

For me I’d have Bowie in the team but I don’t think he’ll play.

I think you will be spot on with this

[Hibs90]

No Bowie jeez glad you ain’t the manager

It's not who I pick but who I think will be picked.

Bowie will probably start in fairness.

[Since452]

I think we'll win today. Looking forward to it.

[GreenCastle]

Buzzing for today - ticket sales look decent enough.

Hopefully a good match and great atmosphere with a Hibs win.

[KeithTheHibby]

Buzzing for today - ticket sales look decent enough.

Hopefully a good match and great atmosphere with a Hibs win.

Yep, season starts today as far I’m concerned.

[H18 SFR]

Woke up this morning feeling today has the potential to be a real pivotal day in David Gray’s Hibs management career. Hope it goes well and we have a chance platform to build on from here.

[GreenCastle]

Yep, season starts today as far I’m concerned.

It started against Elgin for me.. 7 games ago !!

[EGL2000]

Woke up this morning feeling today has the potential to be a real pivotal day in David Gray’s Hibs management career. Hope it goes well and we have a chance platform to build on from here.

Huge game for me. Knowing the fan base I think if we lost today some would start questioning gray already even with his difficult start. Cmon Hibs, think it will be tight with a one goal swing either way.

[Paul1642]

I can’t wait for this. I was buzzing for the St Mirren game which locked out any enthusiasm I had for the two Celtic games.

Today feels like a clean slate and the first game of the season all over again (but with a better result please :)