The Board are culpable

[Wellbankhibby]

I know we are all hurting just now but I really can't understand the Decisions being made within our club. Firstly we all know we had a terrible season last year and our priority was to Bring in a New Manager and try to fix this defence. I really like David GRAY but We desperately need someone to sort this mess out. I'm afraid I really think DG has been thrown under the bus although he felt he could do the job. We should appoint a Manager with experience to get us out of this mess. Secondly who is responsible for our recruitment it is dreadful. For years Motherwell scouts brought in good steady players. This year look at both Dundee Teams their recruitment is excellent. All I read on Hibs Net is slagging off Joe Newhall. Josh Campbell. We all have our favourite players but it gets us nowhere slagging the team off. How do you think they will feel reading this. Pressure has to be put on the board to be replaced with a New Scouting system in place as well. A lot of talk regarding Lake McCOWAN but Lyle Cameron from Dundee is a class player. In fact the Three Dundee Midfielders are excellent.

[TrinityHFC]

I know we are all hurting just now but I really can't understand the Decisions being made within our club. Firstly we all know we had a terrible season last year and our priority was to Bring in a New Manager and try to fix this defence. I really like David GRAY but We desperately need someone to sort this mess out. I'm afraid I really think DG has been thrown under the bus although he felt he could do the job. We should appoint a Manager with experience to get us out of this mess. Secondly who is responsible for our recruitment it is dreadful. For years Motherwell scouts brought in good steady players. This year look at both Dundee Teams their recruitment is excellent. All I read on Hibs Net is slagging off Joe Newhall. Josh Campbell. We all have our favourite players but it gets us nowhere slagging the team off. How do you think they will feel reading this. Pressure has to be put on the board to be replaced with a New Scouting system in place as well. A lot of talk regarding Lake McCOWAN but Lyle Cameron from Dundee is a class player. In fact the Three Dundee Midfielders are excellent.

Worth noting that Dundee midfield played a part in losing 7 goals v Celtic earlier in the year.

Not really going to get into a debate about the Board after two games v Celtic.

[NC1875]

I couldn’t give 2 hoots what they would think if they read it.

Theyre paid vast sums of money to play football. Yet they can’t even do the basics.

They should maybe look in the mirror and think of the people who work hard all week and spend there hard earned money to pay to watch them, only to be disappointed time after time.

While Ian Gordon and Ben Kensell are here, we’ll be watching more of the same.

Game changing investment we were told. Well it seems we’ve signed a Blackpool donkey to replace the other crap CH that we didn’t actually want to sign in the first place.

We’re a shambles right no and it doesn’t look like changing anytime soon.

[jeffers]

The IG and BK chat is tiresome. We’ve appointed MacKay and allowed DG to bring in the players he wanted, including a significant fee being paid for Bowie and potentially our highest ever fee to sign McCowan. IF these players aren’t good enough that’s on DG and MM, though I’ll caveat by saying no team gets all signings right. Look at our neighbours, their much lauded signings this summer don’t look all that so far.

[CentreForward]

We really need to give this time. It’s been a very difficult run of fixtures so far and team needs time to settle. Like the look of some of the recruitment. Kwon, Myko, Bowie, Hoilett, possibly Cadden and some interesting names we’re associated with including McCowan. Defence may still be a big problem we’ll see.

[GreenCastle]

Will find out next week who has the better midfield - Hibs or Dundee.

[Northernhibee]

The IG and BK chat is tiresome. We’ve appointed MacKay and allowed DG to bring in the players he wanted, including a significant fee being paid for Bowie and potentially our highest ever fee to sign McCowan. IF these players aren’t good enough that’s on DG and MM, though I’ll caveat by saying no team gets all signings right. Look at our neighbours, their much lauded signings this summer don’t look all that so far.

I get the “not all signings work out” chat, I do. It works if it was one or two absolute duffers of signings we were defending, but when window after window we throw cash at things and get no better (and possibly worse) it loses its validity.

We need to wait to see what Bowie, Hoilett, Kwon and any new signings add to the team but it’s crucial that it works. Gray isn’t the common denominator with signings, nor Mackay.

[IberianHibernian]

I know we are all hurting just now but I really can't understand the Decisions being made within our club. Firstly we all know we had a terrible season last year and our priority was to Bring in a New Manager and try to fix this defence. I really like David GRAY but We desperately need someone to sort this mess out. I'm afraid I really think DG has been thrown under the bus although he felt he could do the job. We should appoint a Manager with experience to get us out of this mess. Secondly who is responsible for our recruitment it is dreadful. For years Motherwell scouts brought in good steady players. This year look at both Dundee Teams their recruitment is excellent. All I read on Hibs Net is slagging off Joe Newhall. Josh Campbell. We all have our favourite players but it gets us nowhere slagging the team off. How do you think they will feel reading this. Pressure has to be put on the board to be replaced with a New Scouting system in place as well. A lot of talk regarding Lake McCOWAN but Lyle Cameron from Dundee is a class player. In fact the Three Dundee Midfielders are excellent.Dundee , with their highly - rated midfield players , got into the top 6 ahead of us because we let in a goal ( fantastic strike ) in the 94th minute of our last pre split match in what you call a " terrible season " ( though sadly it was actually a fairly average season for us ) . Two of our signings haven`t played for us yet , others less than an hour , and there are still 12 days of the window left so a bit soon to know if our recruitment has been good or bad ( likewise for Dundee clubs ) .

[jeffers]

I get the “not all signings work out” chat, I do. It works if it was one or two absolute duffers of signings we were defending, but when window after window we throw cash at things and get no better (and possibly worse) it loses its validity.

We need to wait to see what Bowie, Hoilett, Kwon and any new signings add to the team but it’s crucial that it works. Gray isn’t the common denominator with signings, nor Mackay.

I’m not defending what’s gone on before. I believe it’s different now though and if we have signed more duffers it’s not on IG or BK.

[Northernhibee]

I’m not defending what’s gone on before. I believe it’s different now though and if we have signed more duffers it’s not on IG or BK.

Fair enough, but for me they can’t throw the keys to some new fool and wash their hands of it.

[IberianHibernian]

The success rate of signings is probably well below 50% for Hibs and all other clubs . Success meaning that player improves the team and / or plays a significant number of games . I`ve supported Hibs for more than 50 years and very few of the relatively successful teams we`ve had in that time have been because of good signings ( signings of Sauzee and Latapy were obviously special likewise Archibald and odd veteran goalie like Rough or Leighton with a few younger players like Arthur Duncan , Benji or McGinn ) but in general relatively successful teams have been built around outstanding youth players ( Stanton , O`Rourke etc Weir , Kane , etc Brown , Thomson , Fletcher etc ) . So signings are very important but reality is we can`t afford to sign players who are significantly better than players at Killie , Dundee etc or those players don`t want to come to our league . Hearts , despite loads of money from donations and bigger crowds , don`t seem to attract players of a significantly better level either . We have to get more out of the players we sign , get more young players coming through , whether Scottish or from further afield ( devt team idea was I think a great idea but club panicked and wasn`t prepared to carry it through ) .

[Callum_62]

Fair enough, but for me they can’t throw the keys to some new fool and wash their hands of it.Why not? They can get the blame for previous but if MM and DG are the "new fools" why do the old fools still get the blame?

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[Northernhibee]

Why not? They can get the blame for previous but if MM and DG are the "new fools" why do the old fools still get the blame?

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Because the buck stops with them. If they can’t do it themselves for either competency or time reasons, then it’s their job to employ and oversee people who can do it for them to a good level.

If they can’t do that, what point is there in them being there?

[Waxy]

Jeez we have just started trying to turn a corner.

[MWHIBBIES]

Tbh, we lose today even with a perfect, brilliant, wonderful board.

[Northernhibee]

Jeez we have just started trying to turn a corner.

Again, an argument I understand. However we were supposed to be turning a corner when we had a review and decided that McDermott would end our signing woes. Now it’s Mackay that’s the direction we’re taking.

Our season is well underway and we’re still not good enough, with no points in the league and out of one cup already. It’s not good enough.

[Waxy]

Again, an argument I understand. However we were supposed to be turning a corner when we had a review and decided that McDermott would end our signing woes. Now it’s Mackay that’s the direction we’re taking.

Our season is well underway and we’re still not good enough, with no points in the league and out of one cup already. It’s not good enough.

The only bad result was the St Mirren match and we’ve signed a half a team since then.
Celtic are on a different stratosphere to us no matter what we do.
The season starts now.

[superfurryhibby]

This kind of chat is becoming pretty boring.

[Paul1642]

Tbh, we lose today even with a perfect, brilliant, wonderful board.

Sad state of affairs but we need to be realistic.

Transfer Market has our entire squad combined valued around £15 million.

Celtic have individual players worth that amount. The Dundee game is the real challenge.

[NC1875]

The only bad result was the St Mirren match and we’ve signed a half a team since then.
Celtic are on a different stratosphere to us no matter what we do.
The season starts now.

No. The season has already started. If we’d beaten Kelty, every chance we’d still be in the cup.

As usual we were underprepared for the season starting.

[WestCoastHibby]

This kind of chat is becoming pretty boring.

Totally and utterly sick of the nonsense on these threads. The last two incumbents got loads of time to prove to be a complete load of Barry White
Two games against Celtic is not grounds for panic.
Just give the guy a bit of a chance ….

[Donegal Hibby]

Sad state of affairs but we need to be realistic.

Transfer Market has our entire squad combined valued around £15 million.

Celtic have individual players worth that amount. The Dundee game is the real challenge.

Which is why we shouldn’t have made so many changes in the Kelty game which has now cost us additional income. Hertz done the same and got burnt too . Both teams don’t have the squads to rotate 7 or 8 players imo.

[babahibs]

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[Donegal Hibby]

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Sorry babahibs , it’s just the way I feel about it .

[Iain G]

Are they also cupable? Or spoonable?

[MWHIBBIES]

Which is why we shouldn’t have made so many changes in the Kelty game which has now cost us additional income. Hertz done the same and got burnt too . Both teams don’t have the squads to rotate 7 or 8 players imo.

I wish we'd rotated more against Kelty. Vente cost us with his poor finishing. Same as St Mirren away.

[Northernhibee]

The only bad result was the St Mirren match and we’ve signed a half a team since then.
Celtic are on a different stratosphere to us no matter what we do.
The season starts now.

The season started a month ago and we simply weren’t ready as we’ve signed half a team since then. It’s not good enough.

[Iain G]

The season started a month ago and we simply weren’t ready as we’ve signed half a team since then. It’s not good enough.

We did just appoint a new coach and director of football, so all the planning for the summer went out the window. Not sure how much more they could have done in a few weeks?

[TrinityHFC]

The season started a month ago and we simply weren’t ready as we’ve signed half a team since then. It’s not good enough.

This is just meaningless nonsense. Not good enough? You know for a fact we could have signed better players and had them all fit and ready to go a month ago??

[One Day Soon]

[QUOTE=TrinityHFC;7746692]This is just meaningless nonsense. Not good enough? You know for a fact we could have signed better players and had them all fit and ready to go a month ago??[/Q

We were, indisputably, not ready for the start of the season.

[TrinityHFC]

[QUOTE=TrinityHFC;7746692]This is just meaningless nonsense. Not good enough? You know for a fact we could have signed better players and had them all fit and ready to go a month ago??[/Q

We were, indisputably, not ready for the start of the season.

And you know a way that we could have been?

[CentreForward]

Again, an argument I understand. However we were supposed to be turning a corner when we had a review and decided that McDermott would end our signing woes. Now it’s Mackay that’s the direction we’re taking.

Our season is well underway and we’re still not good enough, with no points in the league and out of one cup already. It’s not good enough.


All down to one admittedly bad defeat to St Mirren. Hardly any team ever gets anything against Celtic. Lose our next three and yes it’s really time to start worrying.

[One Day Soon]

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And you know a way that we could have been?


I'm not privy to the internal mechanics of HFC. I don't know who is really calling the shots on what, how much budget we have or what internal politics are or are not at work. I do know however that we were absolutely not ready for the start of the season. If we were, we wouldn't have been signing all the players we did after the start - and are apparently still trying to at this stage. It's not really a debatable point. You can argue that it wasn't possible to be ready for the start of the season if you like, but then you would need to know every detail of what has and has not been going on. And you would still be left with the same truth - we weren't ready for the start of the season. Justifiably or not.

[B.H.F.C]

This is just meaningless nonsense. Not good enough? You know for a fact we could have signed better players and had them all fit and ready to go a month ago??

It’s their responsibility to have us in a better position.

None of us know exactly what has happened, what we do know is that we’ve had another disaster of a start to the season.

[hibby rae]

All down to one admittedly bad defeat to St Mirren. Hardly any team ever gets anything against Celtic. Lose our next three and yes it’s really time to start worrying.

Arguably the reason we're out of the cup is a bad defeat against Kelty as it put us in the position to be drawn against Celtic

[TrinityHFC]

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I'm not privy to the internal mechanics of HFC. I don't know who is really calling the shots on what, how much budget we have or what internal politics are or are not at work. I do know however that we were absolutely not ready for the start of the season. If we were, we wouldn't have been signing all the players we did after the start - and are apparently still trying to at this stage. It's not really a debatable point. You can argue that it wasn't possible to be ready for the start of the season if you like, but then you would need to know every detail of what has and has not been going on. And you would still be left with the same truth - we weren't ready for the start of the season. Justifiably or not.

Yeah. Meaningless unless you know we could have been in a better position if we did something different. It is also about being successful in the long term, not just the last few weeks.

[Real Emerald]

[QUOTE=One Day Soon;7746735]

Yeah. Meaningless unless you know we could have been in a better position if we did something different. It is also about being successful in the long term, not just the last few weeks.

Why is TrinityHFC arguing with TrinityHFC? What am I missing here?

[007]

Arguably the reason we're out of the cup is a bad defeat against Kelty as it put us in the position to be drawn against Celtic

True but if we'd beaten Kelty we'd probably now be rueing a defeat to Falkirk instead. 🙄

[One Day Soon]

[QUOTE=One Day Soon;7746735]

Yeah. Meaningless unless you know we could have been in a better position if we did something different. It is also about being successful in the long term, not just the last few weeks.


Wait, you're actually trying to argue that we were ready for the start of the season? That's, special.

[TheHibernator]

I’m not reading into today too much. The game at home was shambolic but I thought today once we got the goal we were competitive and showed flashes of good play. We’ve had worse results at Celtic park and they are streets ahead of us, it is what it is. There’s still 30 odd games ahead of us. Dundee have started the season well and that will be a good marker to see where the squad is at.

[One Day Soon]

I’m not reading into today too much. The game at home was shambolic but I thought today once we got the goal we were competitive and showed flashes of good play. We’ve had worse results at Celtic park and they are streets ahead of us, it is what it is. There’s still 30 odd games ahead of us. Dundee have started the season well and that will be a good marker to see where the squad is at.

Correct

[matty_f]

The IG and BK chat is tiresome. We’ve appointed MacKay and allowed DG to bring in the players he wanted, including a significant fee being paid for Bowie and potentially our highest ever fee to sign McCowan. IF these players aren’t good enough that’s on DG and MM, though I’ll caveat by saying no team gets all signings right. Look at our neighbours, their much lauded signings this summer don’t look all that so far.

I actually agree with this. Malky has brought in nine players, more will come. We need more than a few weeks to judge whether that’s been a success or not but most of us called for change, change has happened and the issues don’t go away overnight, it’s not unreasonable to give them time to let those changes work.

[matty_f]

I’m not reading into today too much. The game at home was shambolic but I thought today once we got the goal we were competitive and showed flashes of good play. We’ve had worse results at Celtic park and they are streets ahead of us, it is what it is. There’s still 30 odd games ahead of us. Dundee have started the season well and that will be a good marker to see where the squad is at.
Agreed.

[Real Emerald]

I’m not reading into today too much. The game at home was shambolic but I thought today once we got the goal we were competitive and showed flashes of good play. We’ve had worse results at Celtic park and they are streets ahead of us, it is what it is. There’s still 30 odd games ahead of us. Dundee have started the season well and that will be a good marker to see where the squad is at.

The back 4 and goalkeeper are an utter heart attack and our midfield are useless. Apart from that it was a great performance??

[TrinityHFC]

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Wait, you're actually trying to argue that we were ready for the start of the season? That's, special.

I’m saying that unless you know otherwise we’ve done what we can to be ready whilst also trying to build properly for the long term.

Hearts apparently did everything right. They’ve lost pretty convincingly to Dundee and Falkirk in the last week.

[TrinityHFC]

[QUOTE=TrinityHFC;7746743]

Why is TrinityHFC arguing with TrinityHFC? What am I missing here?

Quotes are messed up…

[TheHibernator]

The back 4 and goalkeeper are an utter heart attack and our midfield are useless. Apart from that it was a great performance??

I didn’t say it was a great performance, poor defending and stupid mistakes cost us.

The reality is we lose that game 99/100 regardless of what team we play. We’ve seen ekpiteta and bursic make mistakes in both games, that can’t continue but I’m also taking into account they’ve just played back to back games against a very good Celtic team.

There’s still a lot of football to be played before we can make judgment on any of the summer signings, and I expect we’ll see a couple more in the door before the window closes.

[HoboHarry]

[QUOTE=TrinityHFC;7746743]

Why is TrinityHFC arguing with TrinityHFC? What am I missing here?

Hes the only intelligent poster he could find so thought why not....

[One Day Soon]

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I’m saying that unless you know otherwise we’ve done what we can to be ready whilst also trying to build properly for the long term.

Hearts apparently did everything right. They’ve lost pretty convincingly to Dundee and Falkirk in the last week.


We weren't ready for the start of the season. We're still not ready now. For reasons. As many reasons as you like. It doesn't change the fact that we weren't ready and that has cost us.

The position of Hearts is neither here nor there. Their performances don't get us league points or keep us in one of the only two tournaments we have any chance of winning.

[Keith_M]

If nothing else, the people on here that appear to be arguing with themselves has fair cheered me up


:greengrin

[NC1875]

[QUOTE=One Day Soon;7746762]

I’m saying that unless you know otherwise we’ve done what we can to be ready whilst also trying to build properly for the long term.

Hearts apparently did everything right. They’ve lost pretty convincingly to Dundee and Falkirk in the last week.

Unless you know otherwise, I’d say we haven’t done what we could to be ready for the season starting.

Build properly for the long term ? What a load of *****. The players we’ve signed look worse than the ones they’re replacing. We’ve done nothing differently.

You trust the process and keep defending the **** show though 👍🏼

[Since452]

Seems a bit of an overreaction to back to back losses against the best team in the country by miles

[Brightside]

This is all a bit silly. Celtic are light years ahead of us. The St Mirren game was very poor but people really need to relax and let the "football people" that the fans demanded, do their job.