It’s a funny old world

[Biggie]

I see on SPN Bournemouth looking to spend £40m on a player….its ****ed up eh ?
Bournemouth avg gate 11k

[Hibee Daft]

Not really, they play in the most popular league in the world.

[HarpOnHibee]

Not really, they play in the most popular league in the world.

I'm not sure if you're being intentionally ironic or not. :greengrin

[EdinMike]

Brighton splashed £40m on Rutter from Leeds… The money is still daft down there !

[Pagan Hibernia]

Its so artificial. A league built on sand.

Bournemouth's natural support before they joined the Premiership gravy train was five or six thousand. They've never won a god damn thing in their history. And these are now the senior partner of our historic and famous club? Football world is upside down. Apart from money we wipe the floor with them in every way.

[superfurryhibby]

I had thought the money would begin to dry up as illegal viewing took hold. Hasn’t burst the bubble yet, more’s the pity.

You have to assume subscriptions to Sky are a bit cheaper around the globe :confused:

[Yorkshire HFC]

Its so artificial. A league built on sand.

Bournemouth's natural support before they joined the Premiership gravy train was five or six thousand. They've never won a god damn thing in their history. And these are now the senior partner of our historic and famous club? Football world is upside down. Apart from money we wipe the floor with them in every way.



Okay, but why shouldn't Bournemouth or Brentford or Watford or Luton enjoy being part of a very succesful business - they're earned their positions. Life moves on and just because they were rubbish when Hibs were good doesn't mean they should always be rubbish. The world is changing and football isn't the same as when I started watching Hibs in the 1970s. English football isn't built on sand - I think it's very strong - much too strong.

However, there's a much bigger picture here, and it doesn't just relate to football - we have let American culture eat us up - sports, tv, movies, music, food, politics, cars, lifestyle, all retail - and if we don't watch out, we'll have nothing left. Football is / was a big part of British (and Scottish) culture, and it too is being eaten up by the money men.

And it's rubbish. I love the Olympics but I dread what LA2028 will be like - Snoop Dog means nothing to me - but that's the sort of people who will be running the world very soon.

[MWHIBBIES]

Its so artificial. A league built on sand.

Bournemouth's natural support before they joined the Premiership gravy train was five or six thousand. They've never won a god damn thing in their history. And these are now the senior partner of our historic and famous club? Football world is upside down. Apart from money we wipe the floor with them in every way.

It's not built on sand. It's the most popular league by far in the world. It has been for years.

[Jock O]

Haven't they just taken in a huge amount for Solanke, who this guy I assume is replacing, proving the theory of buy in to sell to reinvest in squad business model is probably the right one, just need the right people to execute it!

[blackpoolhibs]

I had thought the money would begin to dry up as illegal viewing took hold. Hasn’t burst the bubble yet, more’s the pity.

You have to assume subscriptions to Sky are a bit cheaper around the globe :confused:

I read an article somewhere recently that sponsors are paying more than ever to advertise, as they dont care that illegal streams are seeing their products advertised, as it's still being seen. :greengrin

[Jones28]

Its so artificial. A league built on sand.

Bournemouth's natural support before they joined the Premiership gravy train was five or six thousand. They've never won a god damn thing in their history. And these are now the senior partner of our historic and famous club? Football world is upside down. Apart from money we wipe the floor with them in every way.

We keep saying this and that it will eventually crumble.

However there's little evidence to support this, hell Sky are pumping even more money in to English football now in to the Football League set up.

I don't think there's anything going to change any time soon.

FWIW Bournemouth aren't a partner, their owner is a shareholder. It's not the same thing.

[Pagan Hibernia]

We keep saying this and that it will eventually crumble.

However there's little evidence to support this, hell Sky are pumping even more money in to English football now in to the Football League set up.

I don't think there's anything going to change any time soon.

FWIW Bournemouth aren't a partner, their owner is a shareholder. It's not the same thing.

yes I know. But Foley's recent comments tells me that he sees it as a partnership. A system of similar players, styles and coaching, with players moving from team to team. That sounds like a partnership to me (maybe the Gordons and Kensell see it differently - the evidence would suggest exactly that). And Bournemouth, with their new found riches are inevitably the senior party in that partnership.

My comment was not so much about Bournemouth, and more lamenting the state of our club and league, when by most barometers we are a bigger club than bournemouth.

[AngloHibs]

yes I know. But Foley's recent comments tells me that he sees it as a partnership. A system of similar players, styles and coaching, with players moving from team to team. That sounds like a partnership to me (maybe the Gordons and Kensell see it differently - the evidence would suggest exactly that). And Bournemouth, with their new found riches are inevitably the senior party in that partnership.

My comment was not so much about Bournemouth, and more lamenting the state of our club and league, when by most barometers we are a bigger club than bournemouth.

The 'bigger club' debate is an interesting one that can never be resolved.

My local club, Middlesbrough, is bigger than Bournemouth by so many measures. We've historically been much higher in the league, we've a bigger ground and much more support, and we've produced legendary players such as Mannion, Hardwick and Clough. And we've won a trophy. I think that on this basis many would agree with me that Boro is the bigger club, but it's meaningless because Bournemouth are established in the top tier and we aren't.

Hibernian is a bigger club than both of these in so many ways. Titles, cups, great players, massive crowds - the list goes on. The thing is, though, that through an accident of geography clubs outside of the Old Firm are no longer seen as 'big'.

Those in charge of the English game at the formation of the Premier League were clever. They wanted to improve their image post-Taylor at the same time as broadcasters were trying to sell satellite dishes. They invested in grounds, added a bit of razzmatazz to make the product look good on screen, and as the broadcast and sponsorship money came in they reinvested in players such as Klinsmann etc. This has continued ever since, and shows no signs of stopping.

I appreciate that my comments might sound like those of a smug Englishman. They're really not! I'm actually a football traditionalist, and I'd love to be able to go back to the days of competitive annual games between the Home Nations. Unfortunately, the money in English football has made this virtually impossible. The truth is that the Premier League is a good product to sell. Modern grounds, big crowds, world stars on the pitch. Contrast this with the half empty dilapidated grounds and average players that we see on Sportscene every week. It just doesn't sell!

I agree 100% that Hibernian is historically a bigger club than probably 90% of those in England. Unfortunately, in this day and age, it's meaningless.

[Oscar T Grouch]

Okay, but why shouldn't Bournemouth or Brentford or Watford or Luton enjoy being part of a very succesful business - they're earned their positions. Life moves on and just because they were rubbish when Hibs were good doesn't mean they should always be rubbish. The world is changing and football isn't the same as when I started watching Hibs in the 1970s. English football isn't built on sand - I think it's very strong - much too strong.

However, there's a much bigger picture here, and it doesn't just relate to football - we have let American culture eat us up - sports, tv, movies, music, food, politics, cars, lifestyle, all retail - and if we don't watch out, we'll have nothing left. Football is / was a big part of British (and Scottish) culture, and it too is being eaten up by the money men.

And it's rubbish. I love the Olympics but I dread what LA2028 will be like - Snoop Dog means nothing to me - but that's the sort of people who will be running the world very soon.

To be honest a world run by Snoop would be a much better place than it is now :smokin

[CockneyRebel]

Its so artificial. A league built on sand.

Bournemouth's natural support before they joined the Premiership gravy train was five or six thousand. They've never won a god damn thing in their history. And these are now the senior partner of our historic and famous club? Football world is upside down. Apart from money we wipe the floor with them in every way.


Only historically.

[gbhibby]

Bournemouth are a bigger club than both of the old firm based on turnover.

[Jones28]

yes I know. But Foley's recent comments tells me that he sees it as a partnership. A system of similar players, styles and coaching, with players moving from team to team. That sounds like a partnership to me (maybe the Gordons and Kensell see it differently - the evidence would suggest exactly that). And Bournemouth, with their new found riches are inevitably the senior party in that partnership.

My comment was not so much about Bournemouth, and more lamenting the state of our club and league, when by most barometers we are a bigger club than bournemouth.

Fair enough, I don't view as a partnership in that way - yet. Maybe in the future it will be a tighter relationship.

I agree, the state of our league is lamentable.

English football is in a different stratosphere now and unfortunately it's only getting further away with the new investment in the lower leagues from Sky.

Comparing ourselves to even League 1 clubs now is a pointless exercise, which is why it irks me so much that we can't seem to do anything other than what they do but in penny packet fashion.

We could, for example, look at creating an SPFL TV channel. Any game that isn't on Sky becomes available on a PPV or subscription basis for anyone to watch. £25 a month for example and you can choose from any match being broadcast. I'd pay that for the chance to watch Hibs games.

Sky nowadays is basically whichever old firm team isn't at home, so why give them money to watch 4/6 games from Easter Road.

Scottish Football outside of Celtic and Rangers isn't a globally appealing product, so why prevent people from being able to watch it on a PPV basis.

10,000 subscribers is £3 million a year, so if you got 100,000 subscribers thats £30 million. 50,000 would be £15 million, thats hell of a boost to scottish football.

I dunno, it's been considered in the past but that was 25 years ago, the technology is there to do it now over the internet.

[HoboHarry]

Fair enough, I don't view as a partnership in that way - yet. Maybe in the future it will be a tighter relationship.

I agree, the state of our league is lamentable.

English football is in a different stratosphere now and unfortunately it's only getting further away with the new investment in the lower leagues from Sky.

Comparing ourselves to even League 1 clubs now is a pointless exercise, which is why it irks me so much that we can't seem to do anything other than what they do but in penny packet fashion.

We could, for example, look at creating an SPFL TV channel. Any game that isn't on Sky becomes available on a PPV or subscription basis for anyone to watch. £25 a month for example and you can choose from any match being broadcast. I'd pay that for the chance to watch Hibs games.

Sky nowadays is basically whichever old firm team isn't at home, so why give them money to watch 4/6 games from Easter Road.

Scottish Football outside of Celtic and Rangers isn't a globally appealing product, so why prevent people from being able to watch it on a PPV basis.

10,000 subscribers is £3 million a year, so if you got 100,000 subscribers thats £30 million. 50,000 would be £15 million, thats hell of a boost to scottish football.

I dunno, it's been considered in the past but that was 25 years ago, the technology is there to do it now over the internet.

Even Celtic and Rangers aren't globally appealing, they may be known in certain parts of the world but in all of my time in the USA I've never once seen a Rangers or Hearts top being worn. I've seen more Aberdeen tops than any other team which will be down to the NE Scots heading over for the oil industry.

[ancient hibee]

I had thought the money would begin to dry up as illegal viewing took hold. Hasn’t burst the bubble yet, more’s the pity.

You have to assume subscriptions to Sky are a bit cheaper around the globe :confused:

Subs are a drop in the ocean. It’s the advertisers Sky want.

[gramskiwood]

To be honest a world run by Snoop would be a much better place than it is now :smokin

:greengrin

[Onceinawhile]

Only historically.

Yes the Bournemouth stadium is much better than ours. Agreed.

I also agree they have a much bigger fan base than us.

[Kato]

Bournemouth are a bigger club than both of the old firm based on turnover.That makes them a bigger business, not a bigger football club.

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[Greenbeard]

Okay, but why shouldn't Bournemouth or Brentford or Watford or Luton enjoy being part of a very succesful business - they're earned their positions. Life moves on and just because they were rubbish when Hibs were good doesn't mean they should always be rubbish. The world is changing and football isn't the same as when I started watching Hibs in the 1970s. English football isn't built on sand - I think it's very strong - much too strong.

However, there's a much bigger picture here, and it doesn't just relate to football - we have let American culture eat us up - sports, tv, movies, music, food, politics, cars, lifestyle, all retail - and if we don't watch out, we'll have nothing left. Football is / was a big part of British (and Scottish) culture, and it too is being eaten up by the money men.

And it's rubbish. I love the Olympics but I dread what LA2028 will be like - Snoop Dog means nothing to me - but that's the sort of people who will be running the world very soon.

Some folks infatuation with American culture is a right pain in the bahookie.
Soccer instead of football.
Movies instead of films.
Movie house instead of the pictures.
Burglarised instead of burgled.
Trick or treat instead of guising.
Etc etc

[HoboHarry]

Some folks infatuation with American culture is a right pain in the bahookie.
Soccer instead of football.
Movies instead of films.
Movie house instead of the pictures.
Burglarised instead of burgled.
Trick or treat instead of guising.
Etc etc
Boudin instead of haggis, I mean seriously.....

[gbhibby]

That makes them a bigger business, not a bigger football club.

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Depends how you measure being a big club. Bournemouth are a bigger club based on turnover. Do you measure it by size of stadium, trophies won, average attendance, record in Europe. Don't bother about clubs that like their egos massaged thinking they are a big club.

[Onceinawhile]

Some folks infatuation with American culture is a right pain in the bahookie.
Soccer instead of football.
Movies instead of films.
Movie house instead of the pictures.
Burglarised instead of burgled.
Trick or treat instead of guising.
Etc etc

Shooting range instead of school.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Depends how you measure being a big club. Bournemouth are a bigger club based on turnover. Do you measure it by size of stadium, trophies won, average attendance, record in Europe. Don't bother about clubs that like their egos massaged thinking they are a big club.

Yes.

[Glory Lurker]

Football is just a business. We might not like that, but it is, and that's not going to change. If you can chuck £20M at a player, you are a much, much bigger club than Hibs, way bigger than Celtc.

It doesn't matter that you were a big deal in the past. There's a huge amount of businesses that were prominent back in the day who have gone bust. It is all about money.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Football is just a business. We might not like that, but it is, and that's not going to change. If you can chuck £20M at a player, you are a much, much bigger club than Hibs, way bigger than Celtc.

It doesn't matter that you were a big deal in the past. There's a huge amount of businesses that were prominent back in the day who have gone bust. It is all about money.

So in your opinion Manchester City are a bigger club than Manchester United?

No doubt they are a more successful (currently) team, better run, and a far more attractive prospect for players to join than United at this moment in time. But a bigger club? Not a chance.

[HoboHarry]

Shooting range instead of school.

Candies instead of Sweeties

[Glory Lurker]

So in your opinion Manchester City are a bigger club than Manchester United?

No doubt they are a more successful (currently) team, better run, and a far more attractive prospect for players to join than United at this moment in time. But a bigger club? Not a chance.

I don't care about English football, but "big" now, in the moneyed world that football has become means the richest. Football is supermarkets. So, yes, city are bigger. Just as teams up the top end of the championship are bigger than anything in Scotland.

Fans can hold onto tradition and history but sadly the narrative is changing.

[DIXIHIBS]

I don't care about English football, but "big" now, in the moneyed world that football has become means the richest. Football is supermarkets. So, yes, city are bigger. Just as teams up the top end of the championship are bigger than anything in Scotland.

Fans can hold onto tradition and history but sadly the narrative is changing.

An article on the news yesterday saying because of their promotion to the PL Ipswich hope to sell 100k strips this year. Bearing in mind the population of Ipswich is about 150k that's a huge amount. Wonder how many Hibs sell?

[A Hi-Bee]

I don't care about English football, but "big" now, in the moneyed world that football has become means the richest. Football is supermarkets. So, yes, city are bigger. Just as teams up the top end of the championship are bigger than anything in Scotland.

Fans can hold onto tradition and history but sadly the narrative is changing.

Money talks and bullsheite walks has never been truer.

[joe breezy]

I'm not sure if you're being intentionally ironic or not. :greengrin

Maybe just stating facts


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[joe breezy]

It's not built on sand. It's the most popular league by far in the world. It has been for years.

Exactly - are some people in Scotland really on cloud cuckoo land


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[hibsbollah]

The 'bigger club' debate is an interesting one that can never be resolved.

My local club, Middlesbrough, is bigger than Bournemouth by so many measures. We've historically been much higher in the league, we've a bigger ground and much more support, and we've produced legendary players such as Mannion, Hardwick and Clough. And we've won a trophy. I think that on this basis many would agree with me that Boro is the bigger club, but it's meaningless because Bournemouth are established in the top tier and we aren't.

Hibernian is a bigger club than both of these in so many ways. Titles, cups, great players, massive crowds - the list goes on. The thing is, though, that through an accident of geography clubs outside of the Old Firm are no longer seen as 'big'.

Those in charge of the English game at the formation of the Premier League were clever. They wanted to improve their image post-Taylor at the same time as broadcasters were trying to sell satellite dishes. They invested in grounds, added a bit of razzmatazz to make the product look good on screen, and as the broadcast and sponsorship money came in they reinvested in players such as Klinsmann etc. This has continued ever since, and shows no signs of stopping.

I appreciate that my comments might sound like those of a smug Englishman. They're really not! I'm actually a football traditionalist, and I'd love to be able to go back to the days of competitive annual games between the Home Nations. Unfortunately, the money in English football has made this virtually impossible. The truth is that the Premier League is a good product to sell. Modern grounds, big crowds, world stars on the pitch. Contrast this with the half empty dilapidated grounds and average players that we see on Sportscene every week. It just doesn't sell!

I agree 100% that Hibernian is historically a bigger club than probably 90% of those in England. Unfortunately, in this day and age, it's meaningless.

Good post.

[Kato]

Depends how you measure being a big club. Bournemouth are a bigger club based on turnover. Do you measure it by size of stadium, trophies won, average attendance, record in Europe. Don't bother about clubs that like their egos massaged thinking they are a big club.

I measure them as a football club by what they have accomplished as a football club.

They are a bigger business than Hibs are in business terms.

You can measure them how you please.

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[joe breezy]

So in your opinion Manchester City are a bigger club than Manchester United?

No doubt they are a more successful (currently) team, better run, and a far more attractive prospect for players to join than United at this moment in time. But a bigger club? Not a chance.

Man City are not bigger than United but they have done a decent job in catching up.

Them and Chelsea both managed to build a big international following over the past 10 - 15 years

Neither as big as Man U or Liverpool still in East Asia

But in Africa and Thailand and the US there’s millions who identify as Man City and Chelsea fans

I still find it a bit ironic with Chelsea given they had a lot of racists in their support back in gbe 80s - a good few black fans too but on the whole Chelsea were pretty right wing so it can still seem a bit off kilter to see all the comments from Nigerian fans on social media

Man City could be in big trouble soon though when we find out the results of financial fair play - they could get relegated - we will see


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