Josh

[judas]

Sorry guys. He’s not good enough, not even close.

I know he’s homegrown and we generally favour that connection with the club. It pains me to say what has to be said though/

Never looks fit, and has no specific strong points (pace, tackling, work rate, headers, technique etc).

I’m not saying he’s the only poor player or that he was responsible solely for all things negative, but he’s been doing very little for several seasons and I just don’t see it with him.

At best, he’s a Chanpionship level player. Sorry.

[NC1875]

He is a league 1 player. Unbelievable he has a decent contract at Hibs.

[SHODAN]

He isn't good enough. It's a shame.

[#2 Double Tap]

needs played as a false 9 in two up top, he aint a midfielder, decent finisher though and can press and run all day long.

[supermcginn]

needs played as a false 9 in two up top, he aint a midfielder, decent finisher though and can press and run all day long.

He shouldn't be playing for us in any position.

[paddy1875]

Iv never really rated him as a hibs player. It’s a shame as he is a Hibs supporter and has came through the system but sadly hes just not upto it as a starter.

Judging him solely against todays opponents is a bit harsh as Celtic can make any players look way out of their depth but even taking todays game out of my judgment I can’t see Hibs getting to where we as a support want us to be with him as a fixture in the starting 11.

There plenty more dross scattered through the midfield aswell mind you singling one player out from the midfield is harsh as they are all substandard. No matter what combination you put out there


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[KWJ]

Shouldn't be a regular starter. Amos/NMW need some games in a row to discover if they are any good and worth keeping.

[Gatecrasher]

I think he's OK as a squad player to rely on when we're a bit short but we cannot rely on him as a starter. Not by a long shot.

[#2 Double Tap]

He shouldn't be playing for us in any position.

if you played a goalie up front, you wouldnt expect him to score many goals and he would probly look out of place, much like campbell does when playing in CM...... playing players to their strength gives a much better chance of success imo.......

i wouldnt be bothered if he was moved on, yet i do believe it is unfair to judge guys when they are played out of position.

[tam4hibs]

I think he's OK as a squad player to rely on when we're a bit short but we cannot rely on him as a starter. Not by a long shot.

Why?

If he’s not good enough to challenge for a starting spot now - which it looks like we all agree on - then he isn’t even good enough to be a squad player.

Relying on him if a quality CM gets injured or suspended? No thank you so that means should not be even a squad player.

Squad players should be pushing for a start. Not this guy.

Hibs / fans policy of ‘could do a job’ results in lots of players but none of them actually good enough,

[Nicho87]

Him and the other starting two today

Miles of being a competitive midfield

Tried and tested in the last two years both years failed

Time to change it up

Gray needs to act quickly

[tamig]

Today he showed everything that some of his detractors have been calling out for a while now. Very poor today and he’s simply not good enough.

[Gatecrasher]

Why?

If he’s not good enough to challenge for a starting spot now - which it looks like we all agree on - then he isn’t even good enough to be a squad player.

Relying on him if a quality CM gets injured or suspended? No thank you so that means should not be even a squad player.

Squad players should be pushing for a start. Not this guy.

Hibs / fans policy of ‘could do a job’ results in lots of players but none of them actually good enough,

Because unfortunately we can't afford a full squad of starting quality players, there is always going to be some of a lesser quality to step in where needed.

[Pytheas]

Above average finisher and a great attitude and work rate, every other attribute required to make Hibs better he's not got.

Have to question Gray a little bit starting with that midfield, granted the alternatives aren't great either. Forced to swap Levitt into Campbell's spot which took away Levitt's opportunity to play in his favoured position.

Levitt wasn't great and poor on the ball but at least he steadied the ship a little bit positionally.

[CapitalGreen]

Today he showed everything that some of his detractors have been calling out for a while now. Very poor today and he’s simply not good enough.

We weren’t detractors, we were just honest about his limitations and refused to be gaslit into believing he was better than he was.

[BoomtownHibees]

if you played a goalie up front, you wouldnt expect him to score many goals and he would probly look out of place, much like campbell does when playing in CM...... playing players to their strength gives a much better chance of success imo.......

i wouldnt be bothered if he was moved on, yet i do believe it is unfair to judge guys when they are played out of position.

He played in the “false 9” last week and was garbage.

Not good enough and for Gray to think he could play deeper, in beside Newell, is worrying

[blackpoolhibs]

As a Hibs player he's just not very good, the real problem is he has plenty of company in that department. Our midfield is sheite, no other words for it, and both full backs are awful too, the very players we want to push on and help the middle of the park.

Abysmal team once again assembled by the blind.

[Pretty Boy]

He'll score in a couple of weeks and people will be comparing him to Pat McGinlay again😅

An uncanny ability to pop up with a goal or a killer pass from nowhere. Does nothing much in the long spells in between.

[Southernhibee]

I agree with the sentiment that he isn’t good enough and hasn’t been at any time. Yes he scores the occasional goal but that’s it. Looks to me like Gray is trying to develop him when others have failed. I’m not convinced that Gray will deliver what we all want but the next few weeks will be make or break for him. No points on the board and it’ll be another Sauzee

[Allant1981]

I've defended him a few times but he just isn't going to improve us as a team, no idea how he lasted as long today, I was expecting him off at HT

[Stuart93]

I genuinely believe he’s championship level. Would look good at a Raith or a Falkirk but he’s nowhere near the quality we need

[#2 Double Tap]

He played in the “false 9” last week and was garbage.

Not good enough and for Gray to think he could play deeper, in beside Newell, is worrying


I agree 100% with the bold.... that is his position tho, the false 9, I felt last week he was not playing that role, more of the attaking midfield one.... i would like to see him in a proper two up top, not sitting behind a lone striker......but also wouldnt be fussed if i never seen him again.... defo not a midfielder.

['mon the beers]

A few assists against lower league teams flatters to deceive. He is miles off the level we need and is about League 1 level at best.

[He's here!]

Don't think he's especially poor relative to the rest of a largely dismal squad.

[Murphys Touch]

We are where we are because that standard of player is deemed acceptable

[ancient hibee]

He had two good chances today to play in an attacker-failed each time with passes straight to Celtic players.It was a bad mistake to play him in that position against a fast moving/thinking Celtic midfield.He has also started flapping and pointing to players to be marked while standing looking lost.

[California-Hibs]

I've said it so many times. He's absolutely no where near good enough! Not even for the league never mind Hibs!

[California-Hibs]

We are where we are because that standard of player is deemed acceptable

100% this.

[Johnny_Leith]

I genuinely believe he’s championship level. Would look good at a Raith or a Falkirk but he’s nowhere near the quality we need

He wouldn't get a game at either imo. He's so far off the pace, no awareness, poor on the ball, poor reading of the game and limited vision.

My hope is that grays comments were to try and get the most from a limited player whilst we search for reinforcements because he shouldn't be anywhere near the XI.

[The Spaceman]

He’s so far below what we need and will be playing for Airdrie or Hamilton in 2-3 seasons time. Get rid.

[Earlydelivery]

You want him to be good as he’s one of us but by god he’s a very poor footballer

[tamig]

We weren’t detractors, we were just honest about his limitations and refused to be gaslit into believing he was better than he was.

I’m one of said detractors bud. Maybe the wrong choice of word. I’ve been calling out his poor passing, lack of awareness/football intelligence for a while. Energetic and a goal threat but lacking in the basics.

[DH1875]

Simply not good enough. Not even as if he's a wee laddie anymore. Must be 24/25 by now. Club going nowhere with him as starting midfield.

[EVENTUALLY]

Josh Campbell's best game for Hibs was his introduction as a sub against Celtic a couple of years ago. Apart from that his occasional goals do not justify his continuous appearances in a Hibs shirt. He is not a good footballer and is a bit of a clogger when frustration gets the better of him. He'll get David Gray the sack if our new head coach keeps him around the team.

[BoomtownHibees]

Josh Campbell's best game for Hibs was his introduction as a sub against Celtic a couple of years ago. Apart from that his occasional goals do not justify his continuous appearances in a Hibs shirt. He is not a good footballer and is a bit of a clogger when frustration gets the better of him. He'll get David Gray the sack if our new head coach keeps him around the team.

Gray will get himself the sack if he keeps picking him

[A Hi-Bee]

Got to say, he has been poor the last few games, we need much better.

[DH1875]

Gray will get himself the sack if he keeps picking him

Did he not say we were gonna build the team around him (or words to those effects)?

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

I've not given Josh Campbell any real criticism over the last year. Maybe due to him being a product of our youth system and at least being a contributer to a few goals and assists, but tbh our midfield needs ripped up and started from scratch, so **** it, Campbell out.

[jeffers]

Did he not say we were gonna build the team around him (or words to those effects)?

No. He never said that, though there was a post suggesting he had.

I said in another post while not rating him I understood why he was being selected, but actually I can’t. Rudi would do a far better job than him and deserves a chance more centrally.

[Hiber-nation]

I just don't understand why SDG was putting his faith in him. He had a good wee run of goalscoring under LJ but he's had numerous runs in the team and has continually showed he's nowhere near good enough on the ball. Rudi has to nail that slot now although we really need far better quality with Newell and Levitt contributing nothing.

[Cat Stanton]

It's a basic problem to have midfielders who can't actually pass the ball to players in their own team. He's one, Levitt another.

As posted on other threads, we need a whole new midfield. It's dreadful and has been for a few years now.

[1875M]

Softest midfield in the league and he’s a major reason why. Runs about pointing at other people, as if he’s Roy Keane. There’s better players in the championship in his position and I’m not even joking.

[hibee-boys]

And the grief some of us got for daring to suggest that he should be nowhere near the team. He’s had a pass for far too long given that ‘he’s a hibbee’ or ‘has a great attitude’. Beggars belief that so many managers have persisted with him, honestly baffling to me and it has done since he arrived back from being on loan.

[Shrekko]

Softest midfield in the league and he’s a major reason why. Runs about pointing at other people, as if he’s Roy Keane. There’s better players in the championship in his position and I’m not even joking.

It’s the pointing and the other histrionics that wind me up. His concentration is shocking which is probably why he makes so many poor decisions and is so slow to react.

Where this stuff about his being a workhorse comes from I’ve no idea. When the going gets tough he is absolutely anonymous bar making stupid fouls.

[HibbyAndy]

He just looks so much void of match fitness . His distribution is woeful as well , Constantly gave the ball away , This laddie cannot do the basics , How he has been a main stay in this team for a few years now is staggering , Not the only one tho , Newell and Levitt need to join him out the door , Powder puff players

[Greenwich_Hibby]

Not anywhere near good enough, sorry.

[Greenwich_Hibby]

Midfield needs surgery...and has done for 7 years.

[JohnM1875]

He's just technically nowhere near where we need to be. Unfortunate truth.

He has a tremendous engine and phenomenal work ethic and I wish some of our more technical players had a fraction of what Josh offers. But that's exactly why Josh has made it as a pro footballer, effort and determination. That can only take you so far.

More than good enough squad player but really shouldn't be starting. Hate saying that cause he's a class boy and a massive Hibs fan.

[Shrekko]

He's just technically nowhere near where we need to be. Unfortunate truth.

He has a tremendous engine and phenomenal work ethic and I wish some of our more technical players had a fraction of what Josh offers. But that's exactly why Josh has made it as a pro footballer, effort and determination. That can only take you so far.

More than good enough squad player but really shouldn't be starting. Hate saying that cause he's a class boy and a massive Hibs fan.

See this tremendous engine and phenomenal work ethic you’re seeing? Can you explain why you think that?

He was blowing out his backside before half time and if he was so hard working surely he would be far more effective? He doesn’t get near anyone.

[JohnM1875]

See this tremendous engine and phenomenal work ethic you’re seeing? Can you explain why you think that?

He was blowing out his backside before half time and if he was so hard working surely he would be far more effective? He doesn’t get near anyone.

Injured when he chased the ball out to the west stand side just before it. Was noticeable straight away and surprised we kept him on past it. Might be because Gray doesn't trust our other midfielders, but thought Rudi looked much better as soon as he moved in the middle.

[Shrekko]

Injured when he chased the ball out to the west stand side just before it. Was noticeable straight away and surprised we kept him on past it. Might be because Gray doesn't trust our other midfielders, but thought Rudi looked much better as soon as he moved in the middle.

I don’t think he was injured despite the dramatics and if Gray is desperate to keep an injured Josh Campbell on the park then we have very serious problems.

Still not seeing this incredible work ethic. A genuine work ethic can get you a long way in football even if you’re limited. He doesn’t have it- he shrinks when we need people to stand up and be counted. Not that he’s alone with that mind you.

[JohnM1875]

I don’t think he was injured despite the dramatics and if Gray is desperate to keep an injured Josh Campbell on the park then we have very serious problems.

Still not seeing this incredible work ethic. A genuine work ethic can get you a long way in football even if you’re limited. He doesn’t have it- he shrinks when we need people to stand up and be counted. Not that he’s alone with that mind you.

I genuinely think it's mental you think Josh doesn't have a good work ethic, but each to their own.

[Shrekko]

I genuinely think it's mental you think Josh doesn't have a good work ethic, but each to their own.

I think you need to watch him closer. You’ve still not explained what it is he does that gives you that impression. If it’s throwing his arms around, pointing, telling others what they should have done and making stupid fouls I might agree. If it’s anything productive I’ll disagree.

[JohnM1875]

I think you need to watch him closer. You’ve still not explained what it is he does that gives you that impression. If it’s throwing his arms around, pointing, telling others what they should have done and making stupid fouls I might agree. If it’s anything productive I’ll disagree.

Nah listen, I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong. You're opinion holds just as much weight as mine. But for me work ethic isn't necessarily about excelling in your job. It's about applying yourself as much as possible and I think Josh does that. He covers every blade of grass and runs himself into the ground for the team.

Again though, as I said earlier, for me, what he lacks is Premiership level technical ability. Actually, maybe that's harsh, but top end Premiership level technical ability.

[Shrekko]

Nah listen, I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong. You're opinion holds just as much weight as mine. But for me work ethic isn't necessarily about excelling in your job. It's about applying yourself as much as possible and I think Josh does that. He covers every blade of grass and runs himself into the ground for the team.

Again though, as I said earlier, for me, what he lacks is Premiership level technical ability. Actually, maybe that's harsh, but top end Premiership level technical ability.

I know what you’re getting at in terms of what you see as great work ethic - I just don’t see him doing any more than his colleagues except for the amateur dramatics.

I’d probably cite somebody like Lewis Stevenson as a good example of genuine work ethic. Brave and didn’t need to make a song and dance of everything. I’ve never got why anyone thinks Campbell is particularly hard working- you’ll never see him drag the team back into a game when it’s going wrong.

[greenlex]

See this tremendous engine and phenomenal work ethic you’re seeing? Can you explain why you think that?

He was blowing out his backside before half time and if he was so hard working surely he would be far more effective? He doesn’t get near anyone.
I don’t think he will get to a higher level than us and his next move will be at best sideways. However you cannot fault his work rate one iota. Have you ever thought he’s as unaffective during games because he’s grafting for three or four of his fellow midfielders?

[Coco Bryce]

I don’t think he will get to a higher level than us and his next move will be at best sideways. However you cannot fault his work rate one iota. Have you ever thought he’s as unaffective during games because he’s grafting for three or four of his fellow midfielders?

Nope never thought that.

He's too busy giving the ball away with short passes to worry about anybody else.

[Shrekko]

I don’t think he will get to a higher level than us and his next move will be at best sideways. However you cannot fault his work rate one iota. Have you ever thought he’s as unaffective during games because he’s grafting for three or four of his fellow midfielders?

I’ve definitely not thought that ever, no.

[Tyler Durden]

I know what you’re getting at in terms of what you see as great work ethic - I just don’t see him doing any more than his colleagues except for the amateur dramatics.

I’d probably cite somebody like Lewis Stevenson as a good example of genuine work ethic. Brave and didn’t need to make a song and dance of everything. I’ve never got why anyone thinks Campbell is particularly hard working- you’ll never see him drag the team back into a game when it’s going wrong.

Agree 100%.

Not to be nasty but he’s a bit of a busy fool. He presses at the wrong times, he regularly makes costly fouls as he doesn’t know his position. And the “running off a knock” type of thing we saw again today just doesn’t ring true to me.

Hopefully Gray has seen enough now

[Shrekko]

Agree 100%.

Not to be nasty but he’s a bit of a busy fool. He presses at the wrong times, he regularly makes costly fouls as he doesn’t know his position. And the “running off a knock” type of thing we saw again today just doesn’t ring true to me.

Hopefully Gray has seen enough now

I once saw Cillian Sheridan make a funny wee video about the ways players can make it look to the crowd like they’re busting a gut, but it’s all for show and included throwing team-mates under the bus with gestures - it was Campbell to a tee.

[ChuckNor]

No. He never said that, though there was a post suggesting he had.

I said in another post while not rating him I understood why he was being selected, but actually I can’t. Rudi would do a far better job than him and deserves a chance more centrally.

I suspect Gray recognised exactly that regarding Rudi. I’d be surprised if Campbell starts next week.

[21sMay]

Nope never thought that.

He's too busy giving the ball away with short passes to worry about anybody else.

This sounds harsh but ultimately is spot on

[B.H.F.C]

Nope never thought that.

He's too busy giving the ball away with short passes to worry about anybody else.

His use of the ball today was terrible. Such a lack of composure and panic whenever he had it. His back pass to play Kyogo in was down to the fact he didn’t want the ball in the first place.

He runs about a lot but it’s with a total lack of purpose or understanding of where to run to.

So, so poor.

[hibsboy69]

He’s a League 1 player (at best).

Murder

[Johnny Clash]

I have to admit he was very poor today and has struggled to impress in general.

[Onion]

We are where we are because that standard of player is deemed acceptable

Completely agree. The stuff we've had to accept over the last few season has been numbing. The way to look at this current bunch is to try place them into any of the half decent teams (and I mean that loosely) we've had over the years. None of the current midfield would get sniff of a game for Hibs, yet here we are paying them £££ each week to do just that. Not their fault, blame lies squarely with the folk who think they ARE good enough and who employed them.

[NC1875]

It amazes me that he’s made it this far as a professional footballer.

I bet there are numerous guys that have played with him as a youngster baffled at how he made it and they didn’t.

Terrible footballer.

[MWHIBBIES]

It amazes me that he’s made it this far as a professional footballer.

I bet there are numerous guys that have played with him as a youngster baffled at how he made it and they didn’t.

Terrible footballer.

This is where I honestly just hate .net. Really poor post.

Josh Campbell has strengths and weaknesses but there is absolutely nothing baffling about him being professional. He deserves everything he has earned.

[NC1875]

This is where I honestly just hate .net. Really poor post.

Josh Campbell has strengths and weaknesses but there is absolutely nothing baffling about him being professional. He deserves everything he has earned.

I’m glad you can see the positive in him. I’ve been trying for years and have yet to see any that merits him playing for Hibs. Him and your best pal Newell will see us bottom 6 again 👍🏼

[#2 Double Tap]

I’m glad you can see the positive in him. I’ve been trying for years and have yet to see any that merits him playing for Hibs. Him and your best pal Newell will see us bottom 6 again 👍🏼

if we are bottom six it will be sir dave's fault and no one elses.

[MWHIBBIES]

I’m glad you can see the positive in him. I’ve been trying for years and have yet to see any that merits him playing for Hibs. Him and your best pal Newell will see us bottom 6 again 👍🏼

My best pal? What age are you?

I don't think Josh is good enough for Hibs. Nothing baffling about him being a professional footballer, though. Dumb post.

[MWHIBBIES]

if we are bottom six it will be sir dave's fault and no one elses.

Nonsense. Many, many folk to blame for our lack of quality.

[NC1875]

My best pal? What age are you?

I don't think Josh is good enough for Hibs. Nothing baffling about him being a professional footballer, though. Dumb post.

When someone can’t make a 5 yard pass to a player on their own team?

That baffles me that they’ve made it as a professional footballer. Yes.

[davemcbain]

I honestly think he is a decent enough attacking mid, who might go to another club and come back to haunt us. Having said that I reckon Dylan, Rudi and Joe are all also that player and there's only enough room for one of them with a backup. None of those (maybe Rudi) are tackling back - Boyle, Youan and Cadden aren't either. Leaves us light in front of goal - so for the weak link is somewhere between JDH, Amos and NMW. Horribly unbalanced midfield with one place to fill.

Then again, I know sod all about football and if I did I'd be on David Gray's salary.

[#2 Double Tap]

Nonsense. Many, many folk to blame for our lack of quality.

buck stops with the manager for me, he picks the guys......there are numerous ways we could set up, when we fail its always on the managers head imo

[MWHIBBIES]

buck stops with the manager for me, he picks the guys......there are numerous ways we could set up, when we fail its always on the managers head imo

That's great, but completely wrong. The director of football hired the manager. So he has a part to play. Then the CEO and chairman hire the director of football. So they have a part to play. Then the owner hires the CEO and chairman. So he is to blame really.

Gray will of course get punted, but many many people need to fail for Hibs to finish bottom 6.

[#2 Double Tap]

That's great, but completely wrong. The director of football hired the manager. So he has a part to play. Then the CEO and chairman hire the director of football. So they have a part to play. Then the owner hires the CEO and chairman. So he is to blame really.

Gray will of course get punted, but many many people need to fail for Hibs to finish bottom 6.

the manager is in charge of what happens on the pitch, he runs it day to day, if we fail its his fault. malky ben and ian aint choosing what formation to play or picking the players to play in it......

take today for example, every fan with half a brain knew campbell newell levitt midfield was rank and we was gonna be beaten..... why did the manager choose to play those guys, in that formation, we have 9 players on the books who can play cm, you know that one is gonna fail, so you gotta try something different.......

[MWHIBBIES]

the manager is in charge of what happens on the pitch, he runs it day to day, if we fail its his fault. malky ben and ian aint choosing what formation to play or picking the players to play in it......

take today for example, every fan with half a brain knew campbell newell levitt midfield was rank and we was gonna be beaten..... why did the manager choose to play those guys, in that formation, we have 9 players on the books who can play cm, you know that one is gonna fail, so you gotta try something different.......

They pick the MANAGER. How can they not be to blame if he fails?

[#2 Double Tap]

They pick the MANAGER. How can they not be to blame if he fails?

well they would be to blame for picking the wrong guy sure, but they aint responsible for what happens on the pitch.

[MWHIBBIES]

well they would be to blame for picking the wrong guy sure, but they aint responsible for what happens on the pitch.

Oh lord. Never mind.

[#2 Double Tap]

Oh lord. Never mind.

just agree man, you know im right. haha.

[FitbaFolkKen]

Oh lord. Never mind.

I see where he is coming from a bit.

Hiring Dave is one decision and they are accountable for that. However, the smaller decisions such as team selection and individual results and performances are on Dave.

Week to week we look at Dave, but if we have another season where we are bottom 6 etc…. then we need to look above at “the process”.


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[MWHIBBIES]

just agree man, you know im right. haha.

"They are to blame for picking the wrong manager but take no responsibility for the things that wrong manager does" is a total contradiction.

[#2 Double Tap]

"They are to blame for picking the wrong manager but take no responsibility for the things that wrong manager does" is a total contradiction.

its on dave's head when the on pitch stuff fails, them hiring a manager who is failing is a seperate issue.

just think for example if in macdonalds, the cleaner aint cleaning the toilets, who is responsible for that, the branch manager or the area manager, or the ceo or the board?

certain levels are responsible for certain things, you know it, everyone does.

[CapitalGreen]

It's a basic problem to have midfielders who can't actually pass the ball to players in their own team. He's one, Levitt another.

As posted on other threads, we need a whole new midfield. It's dreadful and has been for a few years now.

Levitt has some glaring weaknesses in his game but he is a very good passer, probably the best passer in the squad.

[hfc-1875]

Hate to knock the boy as he’s one of us, but he’s got nothing. Genuinely don’t think he would get a game for any other team in the league

[Eyrie]

Gray is responsible for picking that midfield today.

But it's Gordon and Kensell who helped the previous managers sign all the dud midfielders he had to choose from.

So blame can be apportioned.

[WestStandWillie]

For every good game there's 5 or 6 terrible games.

I want him to do well but he's just not got what's required/needed at this level.

[Tambo]

That was another difficult watch from the midfield, Campbell especially, who at times cant even do any of the basics.

Our only problem is we have no one else at the moment, as things stand with the players we have our best 3 would be

NMW
Newell
Rudi