Trusting the process

[matty_f]

There’s been a lot of chat about Hibs being skint and angst around the lack of promises coming to fruition from the investment earlier in the year.

Ben Kensell obviously took a lot of flak in the wake of Sunday’s defeat, and there’s been a flurry of activity since then with another three signings in, following Mykola’s loan being announced before the St Mirren match.

With the club spending a reported £600,000 for Bowie and offering a similar amount for McCowan it looks pretty evident that those shouts of financial hardship were at best exaggerated and at worst, completely wrong.

In fact although by we’ve picked up some players on “free” transfers, no transfer is actually free.

It looks like the “few million” Foley said we would have to spend isn’t a massive leap from what’s transpired.

Should we have trusted the process all along?

[WeAreHibs]

Trust is earned. This perhaps gives them some credit but a long way from trusting any of the Golden Shower!

[CallumLaidlaw]

There’s been a lot of chat about Hibs being skint and angst around the lack of promises coming to fruition from the investment earlier in the year.

Ben Kensell obviously took a lot of flak in the wake of Sunday’s defeat, and there’s been a flurry of activity since then with another three signings in, following Mykola’s loan being announced before the St Mirren match.

With the club spending a reported £600,000 for Bowie and offering a similar amount for McCowan it looks pretty evident that those shouts of financial hardship were at best exaggerated and at worst, completely wrong.

In fact although by we’ve picked up some players on “free” transfers, no transfer is actually free.

It looks like the “few million” Foley said we would have to spend isn’t a massive leap from what’s transpired.

Should we have trusted the process all along?

Not sure we can answer that until later in the season tbh. Or even once the window closes at the earliest.


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[Up-the-slope]

Matty after the past couple of years 'Trust the Process' was a stretch for most fans to accept. if he had said 'Judge us at the end of the window' I think far more would have given him more credit

[Alex Trager]

Not sure we can answer that until later in the season tbh. Or even once the window closes at the earliest.


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^

Lets not get all congratulatory until we see how it plays out.

We could end up with no new midfielders and keep the bulk of the same midfield that has been dog**** for years.

[Joe6-2]

There’s been a lot of chat about Hibs being skint and angst around the lack of promises coming to fruition from the investment earlier in the year.

Ben Kensell obviously took a lot of flak in the wake of Sunday’s defeat, and there’s been a flurry of activity since then with another three signings in, following Mykola’s loan being announced before the St Mirren match.

With the club spending a reported £600,000 for Bowie and offering a similar amount for McCowan it looks pretty evident that those shouts of financial hardship were at best exaggerated and at worst, completely wrong.

In fact although by we’ve picked up some players on “free” transfers, no transfer is actually free.

It looks like the “few million” Foley said we would have to spend isn’t a massive leap from what’s transpired.

Should we have trusted the process all along?


Maybe been forced to act in the wake of last week, I don’t think so, but..

[A Hi-Bee]

Trust in the Process will take time and we shall see in time, as for some of the "Mis-Information" we have all seen how this can be twisted to suit. Non of these transfers would have just came out of the blue since last weeks terrible display.

[LaMotta]

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Lets not get all congratulatory until we see how it plays out.

We could end up with no new midfielders and keep the bulk of the same midfield that has been dog**** for years.

:agree:

Bowie may not even have the impact that we expect him to either - e.g Vente. Hopefully he does have a huge impact, but it'll be a while before we can judge if the process should be trusted.

[Wilson]

Gray's own words tell us that he feels he is being backed and that the current set up (with Malky) gives him the best chance to succeed. This goes against the narrative that he is being hung out to dry.

I get that people are reluctant to trust the process. Why would we? But I do think there is merit in giving this current set up a bit of time.

[jeffers]

Or the club revised their position on spending from a month or so ago.

The fact they are spending not insignificant sums on signing players should see them get praise. That’s entirely different from saying they deserve praise for who we have actually signed, but once again they are backing the manager, allowing him to bring in the players he wants.

[JohnM1875]

Said it all along, there wasn't a chance we were skint and money wouldn't be spent this window. It just didn't make sense at all.

Now, whether the money is spent properly is another thing, that's what they’ll be judged on. Because spending properly is the hard part.

[Keepthefaith]

:agree:

Bowie may not even have the impact that we expect him to either - e.g Vente. Hopefully he does have a huge impact, but it'll be a while before we can judge if the process should be trusted.

So if Bowie doesn't have the immediate impact, does that mean that the Gordon's, gray, McKay are still all incompetent/ too inexperienced/ out to bring the club down as has been the comments on here? Surely that's unfair given there's no guarantee about any signing!


I think the positive signings show what the more measured fan thought, that there was work going on behind the scenes and that the club are trying their best, albeit they've made mistakes.

I hope that the outcome of the process so far makes some fans be a bit more measured than they have been, as in my view the reinforcement of the narratives against the club have contributed to a really negative and toxic lead into the season. Really hope there's a great atmosphere from the start tomorrow to blow some of that away

[The Modfather]

There’s been a lot of chat about Hibs being skint and angst around the lack of promises coming to fruition from the investment earlier in the year.

Ben Kensell obviously took a lot of flak in the wake of Sunday’s defeat, and there’s been a flurry of activity since then with another three signings in, following Mykola’s loan being announced before the St Mirren match.

With the club spending a reported £600,000 for Bowie and offering a similar amount for McCowan it looks pretty evident that those shouts of financial hardship were at best exaggerated and at worst, completely wrong.

In fact although by we’ve picked up some players on “free” transfers, no transfer is actually free.

It looks like the “few million” Foley said we would have to spend isn’t a massive leap from what’s transpired.

Should we have trusted the process all along?

It would be easier to trust the process if the process was more transparent. Was the money there all along and we’ve just been diligent in how and when we use it? Have we had to park infrastructure projects, like the indoor pitch, in order to fund this summers spending? Etc.

It feels like the Petrie days, give as little detail on the plan so as to make it difficult to assess of the likes of Kensell are doing a good job or not and unquantifiables like the “5 year plan”. It took David Gray to again break cover and address the relationship with Foley and the club for the fans to get any kind of an update.

[Hibees1973]

Really wish Kensell would remain professional, keep his cards closer to his chest and not spout stuff like this.

Hibs have had no problem signing players in the last 2 -3 years. However, some of them have been punted within a year and a loads are still here and contribute nothing.

It's signing good players that has been the problem. We will know very soon if any of this lot are any good under Gray.

[Nicho87]

Problem is Matty there’s clearly been mainly failed processes

Trust and time is earnt

On the last four years it’s been one own goal after the other

Fans talk by reduced season tickets

[Brightside]

Trust the Process - Ben K Fan Club. :greengrin

[InvertedFullBak]

What actually is the process though ?

yeh we hear David gray going on about it today but what is it ?

It is all very well saying we want to be successful etc etc but how do we get there ? It’s all a guessing game until someone from the club comes out and publicly states how we’re intending to get there.

Since Ron bought the club it’s been disaster after disaster not only on his watch but since his passing others also.

[Brightside]

What actually is the process though ?

yeh we hear David gray going on about it today but what is it ?

It is all very well saying we want to be successful etc etc but how do we get there ? It’s all a guessing game until someone from the club comes out and publicly states how we’re intending to get there.

Since Ron bought the club it’s been disaster after disaster not only on his watch but since his passing others also.

Its letting them get on with it. Thats the process. They don't have to publicly state anything.

[Smartie]

So if Bowie doesn't have the immediate impact, does that mean that the Gordon's, gray, McKay are still all incompetent/ too inexperienced/ out to bring the club down as has been the comments on here? Surely that's unfair given there's no guarantee about any signing!


I think the positive signings show what the more measured fan thought, that there was work going on behind the scenes and that the club are trying their best, albeit they've made mistakes.

I hope that the outcome of the process so far makes some fans be a bit more measured than they have been, as in my view the reinforcement of the narratives against the club have contributed to a really negative and toxic lead into the season. Really hope there's a great atmosphere from the start tomorrow to blow some of that away

Part of the problem imo is that the club have raised expectations - partly directly and deliberately and partly indirectly.

So far, any excess cash generated has only really been used to fund footballing excess and waste.

The squad we had - relative to appropriate expectation - going into this season, was substandard, and our record in recruitment in recent years hasn’t been great.

I salute those of you who have had patience and been able to see a long term plan but I respect those who have been anxious, given there hasn’t always been much evidence of either a plan, or sufficient competence to carry one out.

FWIW - I still think we’re going to have a decent season. I like Gray, I rate MacKay. There is the core of a team there imo and the most recent additions definitely contribute in areas we’ve been lacking, with the linked player (s) looking to address what is now our biggest problem.

[Keith_M]

A lot of people were a bit worried that there appeared to be little evidence of the investment up until this week.

That being said, there's been a ridiculous amounts of over-the-top comments on here about the lack of signings, with some folk acting more like kids having a tantrum than simply expressing concern.

I think some of that was down to the assessment that we were suddenly going to be rolling in dosh, which was never gonna happen.


Sometimes it's just one extreme to the other.

[may 21/05/2016]

There’s been a lot of chat about Hibs being skint and angst around the lack of promises coming to fruition from the investment earlier in the year.

Ben Kensell obviously took a lot of flak in the wake of Sunday’s defeat, and there’s been a flurry of activity since then with another three signings in, following Mykola’s loan being announced before the St Mirren match.

With the club spending a reported £600,000 for Bowie and offering a similar amount for McCowan it looks pretty evident that those shouts of financial hardship were at best exaggerated and at worst, completely wrong.

In fact although by we’ve picked up some players on “free” transfers, no transfer is actually free.

It looks like the “few million” Foley said we would have to spend isn’t a massive leap from what’s transpired.

Should we have trusted the process all along?That's because your a bedweter

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[Keepthefaith]

Part of the problem imo is that the club have raised expectations - partly directly and deliberately and partly indirectly.

So far, any excess cash generated has only really been used to fund footballing excess and waste.

The squad we had - relative to appropriate expectation - going into this season, was substandard, and our record in recruitment in recent years hasn’t been great.

I salute those of you who have had patience and been able to see a long term plan but I respect those who have been anxious, given there hasn’t always been much evidence of either a plan, or sufficient competence to carry one out.

FWIW - I still think we’re going to have a decent season. I like Gray, I rate MacKay. There is the core of a team there imo and the most recent additions definitely contribute in areas we’ve been lacking, with the linked player (s) looking to address what is now our biggest problem.

Yeah I totally see your point and I'm by no way saying folk shouldn't have questioned the delay in getting signings in of good quality. My point is the level of vitriol that was aimed at the club as part of that. By all means question, we all care about our club, but it'd be nice in future to spare some of the outlandish and at times personal statements that were and are being made.

I agree about gray, I think he's going to do well for us...but maybe that's just me being overly positive!

[Paulie Walnuts]

Depends what the process is we’ve to trust.

If it’s simply getting players in the door then yes, we should. Signing numbers has never been an issue

If it’s getting good players in who will improve the squad, a decent manager and succesful people in behind the scenes to support all that then I’d suggest that there’s very little reason to trust that process based on previous experience. The Gordon’s and Kensell have a long way to go to gain the trust of a lot of the fans again on that front.

[matty_f]

That's because your a bedweter

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[B.H.F.C]

Depends what the process is we’ve to trust.

If it’s simply getting players in the door then yes, we should. Signing numbers has never been an issue

If it’s getting good players in who will improve the squad and see our fortunes change on the park, then I’d suggest that there’s very little reason to trust that process on previous experience.

This is it for me.

The process this season, albeit very early days, has seen us lose to Kelty Hearts and badly in our League opener. There is one thing, and one thing only, that will build some form of trust that those running things know what they’re doing.

[SHODAN]

I'm curious to see if we get a bunch in from Bournemouth or affiliated clubs near the end of the window, as Gray was alluding to.

[Bridge hibs]

That's because your a bedweter

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Intelligent input, thats what this forum has been missing

[SHODAN]

That's because your a bedweter

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no u

[matty_f]

Depends what the process is we’ve to trust.

If it’s simply getting players in the door then yes, we should. Signing numbers has never been an issue

If it’s getting good players in who will improve the squad, a decent manager and succesful people in behind the scenes to support all that then I’d suggest that there’s very little reason to trust that process based on previous experience. The Gordon’s and Kensell have a long way to go to gain the trust of a lot of the fans again on that front.

I think here the process is having more money to spend in this window and getting players in from Bournemouth to supplement the signings we’ve made ourselves.

We’re obviously spending money and prepared to spend more and SDG said this week that he’s expecting players in from the group as the end of the window approaches.

I do think that there’s a huge amount of trust needing to be built before a lot of us would say that we have confidence in the process though, we need to see tangible results on the pitch for that, simply spending money and signing players isn’t enough to justify it.

[blackpoolhibs]

I will trust the process when we get some success on the park.

[marinello59]

I will trust the process when we get some success on the park.

:agree:

[MWHIBBIES]

We were 3rd when they started this process. So no, absolutely not. It's been a dreadful failure and 3 totally wasted seasons

[Malonga's Cat]

I will trust the process when we get some success on the park.

This for me. Trust is earned. Nothing has changed really as yet. Yes, we've made a few signings but this should have been done before the Kelty/St Mirren disasters. 5 games in and we've had two embarrassing results already. If these signings are successful then we are on the right track but let's be honest, we've not got a great record with recruitment lately. Not saying it won't work out... But I'm not ready to trust any process yet.

[The_Exile]

I feel like I've been trusting a number of processes over the last few decades. These kind of words don't actually mean anything to me any more (It's all a load of bollocks and the kind of thing you'd read from a muppet on LinkedIn anyway), I judge/trust the way the football club is run by how many goals we score on a Saturday these days (So, not a lot!).

[GreenCastle]

Not a big fan of when folk start talking about processes in football.

Remember we lost to Kelty - we lost 3-0 last week and still haven’t actually changed anything at the back. Cadden has arrived but not even sure he will play regularly.

I have concerns about the keepers - plus our back line and no CDM. We need to stop leaking goals.

As said above Hibs don’t have issues getting players - it’s getting the right players for the team and players to actually perform and not be constantly injured.

While I don’t expect anything from the Celtic games - it’s 2 big tests of mentality and quality of the squad - roll over 2nd half like we did against St Mirren and we could be losing 5 or 6 goals easily.

[Saint Hibee]

I will trust the process when we get some success on the park.

This times ten.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

“The Process” means “The process”

just like “Brexit” means “Brexit”.

I’d rather we changed the narrative away from that sort of BS please Hibs PR (still David Forsyth?)

any PR company will have a job on their hands with Hibs.

We’ve been stuck in a cycle of failure on a number of fronts.

The well has been drained so another transitional year is about as palatable as Icelandic putrid whale meat.

It’s interesting tho that we’re to trust an undefined thing over a human. So if there’s a failure then it’s a failure of process - smacks of a lack of accountability a maybe that’s the point.

Whilst process is important that’s bot to the exclusion of alignment of people, communications, collaboration and crucially accountability.

[Since452]

I will trust the process when we get some success on the park.

This. Trust isn't much I have of with the current incumbents at the club.

[chrisski33]

There’s been a lot of chat about Hibs being skint and angst around the lack of promises coming to fruition from the investment earlier in the year.

Ben Kensell obviously took a lot of flak in the wake of Sunday’s defeat, and there’s been a flurry of activity since then with another three signings in, following Mykola’s loan being announced before the St Mirren match.

With the club spending a reported £600,000 for Bowie and offering a similar amount for McCowan it looks pretty evident that those shouts of financial hardship were at best exaggerated and at worst, completely wrong.

In fact although by we’ve picked up some players on “free” transfers, no transfer is actually free.

It looks like the “few million” Foley said we would have to spend isn’t a massive leap from what’s transpired.

Should we have trusted the process all along?
I don't trust the process as 1. Don't know what it is.
2. Theres always hype around new signings and some fail to deliver i.e Vente etc.
3. Don't trust Kensell one bit.
4.too many players are still here that have been around when we have been poor (even gettting a new contract)

[Bostonhibby]

It's a bit like a Petrie 5 year plan but so far with less success.

We will never actually see what it is, how it works, when it started and how we will know it's worked.

Trust has to be earned

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[TrinityHFC]

He was referring to transfers when talking about trusting the process. Given all the chat that we were either skint or just not bothering to sign players in time then I think at least on this he’s probably right to say that. Now, hopefully this means we get more of the right players. That does remain to be seen.

[may 21/05/2016]

:faf:Don't worry matt I get called happy clapper

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[matty_f]

Don't worry matt I get called happy clapper

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So do I. 😂

[Iain G]

He was referring to transfers when talking about trusting the process. Given all the chat that we were either skint or just not bothering to sign players in time then I think at least on this he’s probably right to say that. Now, hopefully this means we get more of the right players. That does remain to be seen.

Trust the process is obviously just a turn of phrase to say they are working on it and give them a chance.

David Gray has explained he would have loved players in earlier but that's just it always how it works. Sounds like we have been working on Bowie and McCowan, and probably others, for a while.

Instead the usual negative people have taken it literally and using it as other stick to beat the club with.

Clearly there is work being done to back SDG with food players, just hang in there and see where we get to?!

Trust may "need" to be earned but patience is a virtue 😁

[john rossi]

Trusting the process. I am a realist and accept Hibs will forever be a mid table team boards can make fool us into thinking given time success is just round the corner but in reality it’s a pipe dream. I have supported Hibs for 68 years and have become immune to rhetoric like trusting in the process. I am content with Hibs a premier team who will never win the leauge and will have good days and bad, let’s get real and just support through thick and thin.

[LaMotta]

So if Bowie doesn't have the immediate impact, does that mean that the Gordon's, gray, McKay are still all incompetent/ too inexperienced/ out to bring the club down as has been the comments on here? Surely that's unfair given there's no guarantee about any signing!


I think the positive signings show what the more measured fan thought, that there was work going on behind the scenes and that the club are trying their best, albeit they've made mistakes.

I hope that the outcome of the process so far makes some fans be a bit more measured than they have been, as in my view the reinforcement of the narratives against the club have contributed to a really negative and toxic lead into the season. Really hope there's a great atmosphere from the start tomorrow to blow some of that away

I never mentioned immediate impact. I'm not really bothered about that. I'm bothered about actual impact over a period of time where you can see a player is a success. Vente had an immediate impact, but longer term it hasnt worked.

You say that we have made positive signings so everyone should calm down...the fact is nobody knows yet if they are positive signings. You are making out that this means measured fans are all happy now. You are praising the recruitment team before we know if it is deserved. A truly measured fan has seen it all before- the promise of great signings before anyone has seen them play - and they will judge things on what they see.

[john rossi]

Trusting the process. I am a realist and accept Hibs will forever be a mid table team boards can make fool us into thinking given time success is just round the corner but in reality it’s a pipe dream. I have supported Hibs for 68 years and have become immune to rhetoric like trusting in the process. I am content with Hibs a premier team who will never win the leauge and will have good days and bad, let’s get real and just support through thick and thin.

[andrew_dundee]

There's no doubt the process has delivered some spending, we've got far higher paid players than Dundee and St Mirren for example, and have done more transfer market business.

I'm not aware of any evidence of them over ruling Gray or other managers on signings or blocking players etc. So I don't really doubt the finances of the process.

There have been some questionable managerial appointments in that time though, but hopefully SDG is going to prove himself to be the end of that bad run.

[7Hero]

I think trusting the process should only be evaluated once we have time to see if the players are any good.

Surely the process can't be a success if we just spend the money ?

on a separate point if it's £1.2m in fees and the addition £250k minimum on wages per individual that would be an extra £500k on the P+L wages and potentially a depreciation charge for maccowan (3 years) £200k and Bowie (5 years) £120k so £820k total costs per year.

Thats a fair increase, unless Youan is off the books, we'll be struggling to come out of that positively on the yearly accounts.

[we are hibs]

https://x.com/ScotlandSky/status/1822585501359943819?t=ASdXseDX5vAxNhs3-Yraow&s=19



Interesting the board "weren't available". I'm sure if we had won last week someone would be wanting to be front and centre

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[Forza Fred]

Is the process worthy of the same amount of trust as we have in our midfield?

[HarpOnHibee]

"Trust the process" is up there with "5 year plan".

[joe breezy]

Foley is not happy with the decisions Hibs have made

Think the Black Knights wanted a different manager and different director of football

Spending money alone won't guarantee anything - we may be squandering one of the best chances the club had to level up

But I'll wait a good few more games though before judging - it is Celtic and we have new players not bedded in yet

[blackpoolhibs]

Foley is not happy with the decisions Hibs have made

Think the Black Knights wanted a different manager and different director of football

Spending money alone won't guarantee anything - we may be squandering one of the best chances the club had to level up

But I'll wait a good few more games though than judging - it is Celtic and we have new players not bedded in yet

So did I.:rolleyes:

[Iain G]

We should have kept Monty!

[BT58]

We should have kept Monty!

Nah, we should have kept Jack Ross.
B

[Jones28]

We should have kept Monty!

He can get so far to ****. Honestly would rather have kept Johnson than employed that joker. At least under streaky Lee we might have gone on a streak of winning a few games. He was awful.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Jack Ross shouldn’t have been punted but Maloney deserved more time than anyone that’s come since. Don’t make the same mistake with SDG. There’s a lot of work needing done to this squad, don’t pull the trigger too early please Hibs.


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[The Modfather]

We should have kept Monty!

It looks like he’s bought a David Gray mask and never actually left.

[Pretty Boy]

We were 3rd when they started this process. So no, absolutely not. It's been a dreadful failure and 3 totally wasted seasons

Someone sent me a screenshot from Ben Kensell's Linkedin in March 2022 just after we beat Motherwell in the Scottish Cup telling us to 'trust the process'.

Almost 2 and a half years on from that post we have been bottom 6 twice, changed manager 3 times, are on our 2nd director of football and have signed 43 players either permanently or on loan. You'll forgive me if I think the process isn't to be trusted.

[Glory Lurker]

Cracking title for an album though. Choring that.

[NC1875]

Someone sent me a screenshot from Ben Kensell's Linkedin in March 2022 just after we beat Motherwell in the Scottish Cup telling us to 'trust the process'.

Almost 2 and a half years on from that post we have been bottom 6 twice, changed manager 3 times, are on our 2nd director of football and have signed 43 players either permanently or on loan. You'll forgive me if I think the process isn't to be trusted.

You’re clearly just not patient enough.

We have all just to wait around forever, hope we get some success eventually and then BK and the happy clappers can say “I told you so”.

[Pretty Boy]

You’re clearly just not patient enough.

We have all just to wait around forever, hope we get some success eventually and then BK and the happy clappers can say “I told you so”.

I just need clarity on whether this process is the same as the 2022 process and why the process has to involve such a high turnover of staff. Or is this current process a new process and in actual fact the 2022 process was never the real process and wasn't the one to trust after all? That seems a bit cruel to the people who trusted the original process that was to be trusted but has since been supplanted by the new process which is definitely the process that is to be trusted.

It's all very confusing.

[Lago]

I just need clarity on whether this process is the same as the 2022 process and why the process has to involve such a high turnover of staff. Or is this current process a new process and in actual fact the 2022 process was never the real process and wasn't the one to trust after all? That seems a bit cruel to the people who trusted the original process that was to be trusted but has since been supplanted by the new process which is definitely the process that is to be trusted.

It's all very confusing.
Is the process the result of the end of season review or a continuation, will we ever know?

[Just_Jimmy]

Foley is not happy with the decisions Hibs have made

Think the Black Knights wanted a different manager and different director of football

Spending money alone won't guarantee anything - we may be squandering one of the best chances the club had to level up

But I'll wait a good few more games though before judging - it is Celtic and we have new players not bedded in yetAs did I.

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[Bostonhibby]

Someone sent me a screenshot from Ben Kensell's Linkedin in March 2022 just after we beat Motherwell in the Scottish Cup telling us to 'trust the process'.

Almost 2 and a half years on from that post we have been bottom 6 twice, changed manager 3 times, are on our 2nd director of football and have signed 43 players either permanently or on loan. You'll forgive me if I think the process isn't to be trusted.Process folk ken what's gaun oan.

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[matty_f]

I just need clarity on whether this process is the same as the 2022 process and why the process has to involve such a high turnover of staff. Or is this current process a new process and in actual fact the 2022 process was never the real process and wasn't the one to trust after all? That seems a bit cruel to the people who trusted the original process that was to be trusted but has since been supplanted by the new process which is definitely the process that is to be trusted.

It's all very confusing.

This is the biggest issue I have with the idea of “trusting the process” - the folk in charge of the process don’t trust it and so we flit from process to process and none of them ever get seen through.

The phrase without context or detail is just more word salad. A soundbite to convince others you know what you’re doing on the odd occasion you get a win in a run of losses.

It’s a phrase that asks you to ignore what your eyes and ears tell you in favour of some notion that you’re not smart enough to know what’s really going on.

Trust the process, trust us, we’re not really struggling you just don’t understand that we’re going to be better some time in the never never.

Trust will come when we see results, and for all we might sign McCowan and it would be a hugely popular signing, that counts for nothing if we’re still suffering embarrassing defeats in 2,3,4 months time. By which point, of course, we’ll be on to the next process with the one we’re meant to trust today a mere footnote.

[Just_Jimmy]

I wouldn't trust Ben Kensell as far as I could throw him. The man is an utter charlatan.

He's the number one issue at Hibs. A total used car salesman. He's an embarrassment and I wish he'd get the **** away from the club

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[Northernhibee]

“Trust the process” is a valid remark if we were to win a cup, or qualify for Europe. If it is paired with notable, sustained success then it’s a sign that the process has worked.

Putting that remark against winning an individual game or signing a player on loan who didn’t play much football last season (and that’s not intended as a slight on Myko, just pointing out that it’s a beneficial move for Swansea as much as us and not the huge coup that it’s made out to be) just screams of desperation.

I can’t trust the process when I don’t trust the person telling me to trust the process. I now can only trust results. Sustained results.

[marinello59]

This is the biggest issue I have with the idea of “trusting the process” - the folk in charge of the process don’t trust it and so we flit from process to process and none of them ever get seen through.

The phrase without context or detail is just more word salad. A soundbite to convince others you know what you’re doing on the odd occasion you get a win in a run of losses.

It’s a phrase that asks you to ignore what your eyes and ears tell you in favour of some notion that you’re not smart enough to know what’s really going on.

Trust the process, trust us, we’re not really struggling you just don’t understand that we’re going to be better some time in the never never.

Trust will come when we see results, and for all we might sign McCowan and it would be a hugely popular signing, that counts for nothing if we’re still suffering embarrassing defeats in 2,3,4 months time. By which point, of course, we’ll be on to the next process with the one we’re meant to trust today a mere footnote.

It’s a meaningless phrase, a sneering put down of genuine concerns from the fans.

[jacomo]

This is the biggest issue I have with the idea of “trusting the process” - the folk in charge of the process don’t trust it and so we flit from process to process and none of them ever get seen through.

The phrase without context or detail is just more word salad. A soundbite to convince others you know what you’re doing on the odd occasion you get a win in a run of losses.

It’s a phrase that asks you to ignore what your eyes and ears tell you in favour of some notion that you’re not smart enough to know what’s really going on.

Trust the process, trust us, we’re not really struggling you just don’t understand that we’re going to be better some time in the never never.

Trust will come when we see results, and for all we might sign McCowan and it would be a hugely popular signing, that counts for nothing if we’re still suffering embarrassing defeats in 2,3,4 months time. By which point, of course, we’ll be on to the next process with the one we’re meant to trust today a mere footnote.


Spot on. If there was an identifiable process to trust, maybe we could all buy into it? As it is the club seems chaotic, bouncing from one strategy to another.

As for the Black Knights, I guess we just have to see how it plays out. We were absolutely promised a big investment in the playing squad this summer, so let’s see.

Myself and a few others did voice caution when their investment first became public, but we were clearly in a minority as most Hibs fans wanted them to get involved. Let’s hope it turns out well.

[Eyrie]

If there's a process, then share it with us.

But that's a massive IF.

[Northernhibee]

If the process maker is telling you to trust the process, in turn they are saying “trust me”.

[matty_f]

Spot on. If there was an identifiable process to trust, maybe we could all buy into it? As it is the club seems chaotic, bouncing from one strategy to another.

As for the Black Knights, I guess we just have to see how it plays out. We were absolutely promised a big investment in the playing squad this summer, so let’s see.

Myself and a few others did voice caution when their investment first became public, but we were clearly in a minority as most Hibs fans wanted them to get involved. Let’s hope it turns out well.

We’ve spent a reported £600k on Bowie, and I think we’ll end up paying similar for McCowan if we get him. That’s a fair bit of the investment we were promised would go on the team. That’s one of the things I actually don’t have an issue with right now.


Caveat being we’ve not spent it yet (McCowan) but you’d imagine we’d look elsewhere if we had to and that money would still be available to use.

[Eyrie]

If the process maker is telling you to trust the process, in turn they are saying “trust me”.

Only if they won't share the process with you.

If they do, we can judge both the process and their competence for ourselves. Which is why it won't be shared.

[Iain G]

The process is simply to sign better players, we seem to have done that in the last week, it meant no more or less that saying give us a chance, stuff is happening.

People are reading so much into nothing.

[Chorley Hibee]

We’ve spent a reported £600k on Bowie, and I think we’ll end up paying similar for McCowan if we get him. That’s a fair bit of the investment we were promised would go on the team. That’s one of the things I actually don’t have an issue with right now.


Caveat being we’ve not spent it yet (McCowan) but you’d imagine we’d look elsewhere if we had to and that money would still be available to use.

If we sell Youan (which seems to be the case) then we've still not really spent anything this summer.

I still think we're well short in numerous positions.

[jakedance]

I was thinking about this today. Great stadium. Flames. Born slippy blasting out a great PA system. Video screens. Lovely playing surface. Top drawer hospitality. Standing section. A brilliant training centre down the road. New investors. Everything should be in place there for a club to be consistently near the top and winning the odd cup, but we’re genuinely *****, and have been for a very long time.

We’re miles off it and you’d be mental to trust the club to turn it around when all the evidence is they won’t and soon enough we’ll be wanting another manager sacked and it’ll all start again.

[truehibernian]

Process ? Trust ? Ben Kensell had had 5 years 😂 there’s absolutely no process to trust 👍 he’s been an abject failure full stop and until the full support base galvanise and realise that then we’ll continue to stumble and fall and be utter patsies to his and the owners utter nonsense. Support really needs to wake up - big time.

[NC1875]

The process is simply to sign better players, we seem to have done that in the last week, it meant no more or less that saying give us a chance, stuff is happening.

People are reading so much into nothing.

Give them a chance ? 😂 how many have we to give them ?

[matty_f]

Process ? Trust ? Ben Kensell had had 5 years 😂 there’s absolutely no process to trust 👍 he’s been an abject failure full stop and until the full support base galvanise and realise that then we’ll continue to stumble and fall and be utter patsies to his and the owners utter nonsense. Support really needs to wake up - big time.

I think going by this thread, the support are awake already.

[Stuart93]

The process is simply to sign better players, we seem to have done that in the last week, it meant no more or less that saying give us a chance, stuff is happening.

People are reading so much into nothing.

Honestly you must post through gritted teeth trying to be positive about this current mob in charge.

I’m dumbfounded that anyone can find something positive about the club just now

[He's here!]

Process: a series of steps or actions taken to achieve a particular goal.

Assuming 'the process' is to create a good Hibs team my question would be what process?!

Building a good team is something fans can see coming together and needn't actually take too long eg the Tornadoes, the Skol Cup-winning team post-Mercer takeover bid, the 1993 era Miller team, McLeish's star-studded team, Mowbray's young guns, Stubbs' Scottish Cup winners.

There is no such process in place here, not since Jack Ross was sacked. What we have is a conveyer belt of signings each year, almost all of them sub-standard and only very occasionally playing like a team. There's a sense of over-complexity, a sense that these players are selected by a panel rather than a manager. As a result there's a lack of identity to the team and a bond between players and fans gets steadily harder to achieve.

I've personally never felt so disconnected to the club and at the same time angry with them for ****ing around so aimlessly for so long. There really is no excuse whatsoever for us to have become as poor as we are. It's incompetence pure and simple.

[He's here!]

I was thinking about this today. Great stadium. Flames. Born slippy blasting out a great PA system. Video screens. Lovely playing surface. Top drawer hospitality. Standing section. A brilliant training centre down the road. New investors. Everything should be in place there for a club to be consistently near the top and winning the odd cup, but we’re genuinely *****, and have been for a very long time.

We’re miles off it and you’d be mental to trust the club to turn it around when all the evidence is they won’t and soon enough we’ll be wanting another manager sacked and it’ll all start again.

Couldn't agree more.

[SickBoy32]

Process ? Trust ? Ben Kensell had had 5 years 😂 there’s absolutely no process to trust 👍 he’s been an abject failure full stop and until the full support base galvanise and realise that then we’ll continue to stumble and fall and be utter patsies to his and the owners utter nonsense. Support really needs to wake up - big time.

Spot on.

Commented yesterday at the game though, it’s no just the players going through the motions - those of us in the stands do it too. (Myself included)

Everything at ER is just so so flat, it was that bad I even got the sense the away support got bored!

[The Modfather]

Maybe the process could give us an update on Youan who seems to have just vanished. Are we still in the 2 week period he was injured for? What happened to the French club that were seemingly in talks to sign with a month ago? Are we expecting him to stay?

What about Hoilet? Is he injured? When do we expect him to be back? Did he miss pre season? If so when is he likely to be up to match fitness?

When can we expect to see Nicky Cadden? Same question re pre season as Hoillet.

What about some positive news. What are some of the coaching learnings we’ve had from looking at the likes of Bournemouth’s elite level coaching? What have we been able to learn and adopt?

What’s happening with the indoor pitch and any other infrastructure projects as part of the Black Knights investment?

[Lago]

The process is simply to sign better players, we seem to have done that in the last week, it meant no more or less that saying give us a chance, stuff is happening.

People are reading so much into nothing.
This sounds like something Ben Kensell would come out with :confused:

[Northernhibee]

The process is simply to sign better players, we seem to have done that in the last week, it meant no more or less that saying give us a chance, stuff is happening.

People are reading so much into nothing.

Signing better players isn’t a process, it’s an aspiration. The process is how we identify, scout, finance, and then integrate new players. We’ve done that badly in recent seasons IMO.

[Brightside]

https://x.com/ScotlandSky/status/1822585501359943819?t=ASdXseDX5vAxNhs3-Yraow&s=19



Interesting the board "weren't available". I'm sure if we had won last week someone would be wanting to be front and centre

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Why? I thought we wanted the football people running the football side now?

[Brightside]

Maybe the process could give us an update on Youan who seems to have just vanished. Are we still in the 2 week period he was injured for? What happened to the French club that were seemingly in talks to sign with a month ago? Are we expecting him to stay?

What about Hoilet? Is he injured? When do we expect him to be back? Did he miss pre season? If so when is he likely to be up to match fitness?

When can we expect to see Nicky Cadden? Same question re pre season as Hoillet.

What about some positive news. What are some of the coaching learnings we’ve had from looking at the likes of Bournemouth’s elite level coaching? What have we been able to learn and adopt?

What’s happening with the indoor pitch and any other infrastructure projects as part of the Black Knights investment?

Hoilet and Cadden should be in the next squads. Just getting up to speed.

Infra projects are on hold as we invest all available funds into the squad

[Brightside]

Process: a series of steps or actions taken to achieve a particular goal.

Assuming 'the process' is to create a good Hibs team my question would be what process?!

Building a good team is something fans can see coming together and needn't actually take too long eg the Tornadoes, the Skol Cup-winning team post-Mercer takeover bid, the 1993 era Miller team, McLeish's star-studded team, Mowbray's young guns, Stubbs' Scottish Cup winners.

There is no such process in place here, not since Jack Ross was sacked. What we have is a conveyer belt of signings each year, almost all of them sub-standard and only very occasionally playing like a team. There's a sense of over-complexity, a sense that these players are selected by a panel rather than a manager. As a result there's a lack of identity to the team and a bond between players and fans gets steadily harder to achieve.

I've personally never felt so disconnected to the club and at the same time angry with them for ****ing around so aimlessly for so long. There really is no excuse whatsoever for us to have become as poor as we are. It's incompetence pure and simple.

If you were disconnected you wouldn't be posting on here. You are the opposite of disconnected.

[The Modfather]

Hoilet and Cadden should be in the next squads. Just getting up to speed.

Infra projects are on hold as we invest all available funds into the squad

Not doubting you, but how do you know that? It’s poor that it takes a fans site to get updates on what’s going on rather than those running the club.

[Brightside]

Not doubting you, but how do you know that? It’s poor that it takes a fans site to get updates on what’s going on rather than those running the club.

Infra projects was discussed at the sponsors evening and reported all over socials. SDG said the players that joined are a bit short of match fitness.

[we are hibs]

Why? I thought we wanted the football people running the football side now?Because the Foley situation is a board issue. Not a footballing one.

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[The Modfather]

Infra projects was discussed at the sponsors evening and reported all over socials. SDG said the players that joined are a bit short of match fitness.

When was the sponsors event? Was it the initial announcement or a recent event updating on pausing the infrastructure projects to focus on recruitment?

[matty_f]

When was the sponsors event? Was it the initial announcement or a recent event updating on pausing the infrastructure projects to focus on recruitment?

I think it was the Hibs First event rather than the sponsors’ one.

To be honest, if they’ve shelved the process to concentrate on another process it just shows that they don’t actually trust it themselves.

[He's here!]

If you were disconnected you wouldn't be posting on here. You are the opposite of disconnected.

I don't think that's the case. As a couple of other posters have mentioned, you can look around ER and think it's a sporting venue geared for excitement and success, yet for all the pre-match glitz and polish the product on the pitch has been largely garbage for years. Somebody mentioned that even the Celtic fans seemed a bit bored by the fact we offer so little threat as a football team. There's an increasing disconnect between fans and the club as it's currently being run and even the attempts to inject atmosphere (ie Block 7) feel forced, artificial and with no real link to Hibs.

I'm not alone in failing to feel the buzz I once felt watching Hibs.

[easty]

Process: a series of steps or actions taken to achieve a particular goal.

Assuming 'the process' is to create a good Hibs team my question would be what process?!

Building a good team is something fans can see coming together and needn't actually take too long eg the Tornadoes, the Skol Cup-winning team post-Mercer takeover bid, the 1993 era Miller team, McLeish's star-studded team, Mowbray's young guns, Stubbs' Scottish Cup winners.

There is no such process in place here, not since Jack Ross was sacked. What we have is a conveyer belt of signings each year, almost all of them sub-standard and only very occasionally playing like a team. There's a sense of over-complexity, a sense that these players are selected by a panel rather than a manager. As a result there's a lack of identity to the team and a bond between players and fans gets steadily harder to achieve.

I've personally never felt so disconnected to the club and at the same time angry with them for ****ing around so aimlessly for so long. There really is no excuse whatsoever for us to have become as poor as we are. It's incompetence pure and simple.

You can't just pull out the examples of how it's worked and make out like it's easy. All teams are always trying to "build a good team". It's not as easy as just saying lets do it.

McLeish's team had Latapy and Sauzee. You think we have access to those type of players just now? We signed a load of ***** then tae.

[easty]

I don't think that's the case. As a couple of other posters have mentioned, you can look around ER and think it's a sporting venue geared for excitement and success, yet for all the pre-match glitz and polish the product on the pitch has been largely garbage for years. Somebody mentioned that even the Celtic fans seemed a bit bored by the fact we offer so little threat as a football team. There's an increasing disconnect between fans and the club as it's currently being run and even the attempts to inject atmosphere (ie Block 7) feel forced, artificial and with no real link to Hibs.

I'm not alone in failing to feel the buzz I once felt watching Hibs.

I dunno what Hibs teams other people have been watching the last 30 odd years.

We're rarely good. We get a good spell of a couple of seasons every now and then, but generally we're about as good as we are just now.

Is there more of a disconnect now than when we were under Bobby Williamson, or Jim Duffy, or Calderwood, or Fenlon, or Butcher, or Montgomery, or Maloney? Is there really?

[007]

https://x.com/ScotlandSky/status/1822585501359943819?t=ASdXseDX5vAxNhs3-Yraow&s=19



Interesting the board "weren't available". I'm sure if we had won last week someone would be wanting to be front and centre

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Sky Sports were interviewing MM, do you seriously think they asked to speak to the board for one of the questions and got refused? The interviewer was using a figure of speech, he was acknowledging it was a question better suited to asking the board but as they weren't around and MM was the one being interviewed he asked him.

Some folk just go looking for conspiracy theories where they don't exist.

[we are hibs]

Sky Sports were interviewing MM, do you seriously think they asked to speak to the board for one of the questions and got refused? The interviewer was using a figure of speech, he was acknowledging it was a question better suited to asking the board but as they weren't around and MM was the one being interviewed he asked him.

Some folk just go looking for conspiracy theories where they don't exist.Yeah okay chief.

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[Northernhibee]

Sky Sports were interviewing MM, do you seriously think they asked to speak to the board for one of the questions and got refused? The interviewer was using a figure of speech, he was acknowledging it was a question better suited to asking the board but as they weren't around and MM was the one being interviewed he asked him.

Some folk just go looking for conspiracy theories where they don't exist.

This is how I viewed it.