Newell and Campbell

[Ozyhibby]

We can forget anything that looks like success while these two are in our midfield. Absolute shambles of a club.


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[MWHIBBIES]

Newell? Over NMW? Good lord.

Newell was poor but was playing midfield himself.

Boyle, Vente, NMW, Campbell. Dreadful.

[The Modfather]

Newell? Over NMW? Good lord.

Newell was poor but was playing midfield himself.

Boyle, Vente, NMW, Campbell. Dreadful.

What does “playing midfield himself” mean in reality? Are you saying he’s only been poor because of Campbell & NMW?

[JohnM1875]

Newell? Over NMW? Good lord.

Newell was poor but was playing midfield himself.

Boyle, Vente, NMW, Campbell. Dreadful.

NMW is a young laddie learning his trade. Newell is club captain and is in there to impact games. Tick this off as yet another he failed to do so. I do like him but he needs to offer so much more.

Slows the game down majority of the time and I hate it when he just fizzes a pass back to the player who played it to him instead of turning and going forward.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Both are garbage....next 💩

[Hibs90]

NMW was honking
Campbell was honking
Newell went into hiding again.

[InvertedFullBak]

Both of the have been part of a failed midfield for years now but are still seemed good enough by the support. Absolutely baffling to think they’re good enough for Hibs.

[hibee-boys]

It beggars belief that we’re persisting with that combination in midfield, literally hasn’t worked for years. NMW makes the midfield worse. People thinking Campbell is all of a sudden a world beater after chippping in with assists against lower league opposition🤷🏼

[eastmainsmsh]

They can all go in window non existent worst midfield ever

[Ozyhibby]

Both of the have been part of a failed midfield for years now but are still seemed good enough by the support. Absolutely baffling to think they’re good enough for Hibs.

Not just that, we gave one a pay rise and contract extension. [emoji2369][emoji23]


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[GordonHFC]

Sick of hearing that Newell is our best midfielder. Doesn't mean a thing when the rest of them are ****.

[Tambo]

First half Joe was fine, second half felt like we had no midfield at times, Campbell is a far bigger problem than Newell for me.

NMW is still young and raw, we needed an upgrade on Campbell and Jeggo at the time.

[MWHIBBIES]

NMW is a young laddie learning his trade. Newell is club captain and is in there to impact games. Tick this off as yet another he failed to do so. I do like him but he needs to offer so much more.

Slows the game down majority of the time and I hate it when he just fizzes a pass back to the player who played it to him instead of turning and going forward.

Learning his trade. That old chestnut. Rudi is younger and much better today than NMW. He was a man down.

[Coco Bryce]

Both of them are woeful.

Making Newell captain is just taking the piss

[MWHIBBIES]

What does “playing midfield himself” mean in reality? Are you saying he’s only been poor because of Campbell & NMW?

No. He was poor. Simple as. But Campbell and NMW were dreadful. Not trying to defending joe tbh. Just think we have poorer players who are consistently worse than him.

Forwards today abysmal. Boyle and Vente disgraceful misses.

[JohnM1875]

Learning his trade. That old chestnut. Rudi is younger and much better today than NMW. He was a man down.

Same old chestnut as 'playing midfield himself' which is utter pish.

[Hibiza]

Newell ( some Captain ) anonymous for most games decent on a very few. Get him out .

[GreenCastle]

First half Joe was fine, second half felt like we had no midfield at times, Campbell is a far bigger problem than Newell for me.

NMW is still young and raw, we needed an upgrade on Campbell and Jeggo at the time.

2nd half midfield was missing.

Club captain was missing.

Campbell was woeful.
NMW woeful.
Newell did nothing to inspire us on. Nice guy - improved as a player but not club captain and a player that drives us on.

Bin them all - we will never improve with them playing as a 3.

It’s the new Newell - Campbell - JDH

[Blaster]

Didn’t see the first half but the midfield 3 were non existent in the 2nd half. All 3 as bad as each other

[Tambo]

2nd half midfield was missing.

Club captain was missing.

Campbell was woeful.
NMW woeful.
Newell did nothing to inspire us on. Nice guy - improved as a player but not club captain and a player that drives us on.

Bin them all - we will never improve with them playing as a 3.

It’s the new Newell - Campbell - JDH

For the long haul of the season I completely agree with you.

[J-C]

Jeez, our midfield has been honking for 3-4 years now, Newell somehow is still there with his big new fancy contract and captains armband, NMW, Campbell, Levitt are all bang average with the odd good game in them, Who knows what Amos is lie as we've never seen anything from him, the rest are ghosts who are still here getting a wage but contributing the square root of **** all. I'd happily get shot of every single one and start from scratch but unfortunately that'll not happen.

[SickBoy32]

Would love to know what dafty sanctioned the extension of Newell contract , ****ing mind blowing after what he’s shown us for years

[Basildon Hibs]

I've said it for years, that midfield is soft as *****. How our managers fail to see this is baffling.

Two midfield Generals is what's required - and PDQ too.

[supermcginn]

Campbell is one of the poorest footballers I've seen at Easter road, tries hard, has an eye for goal, but is just terrible at everything else.

[Hibiza]

Gray has to show his mettle now , Newell as captain is an old pals act as are some of his selections. David : your decision to make changes . Won't be any of yours when it comes down tout .

[CapitalGreen]

Newell and NMW got the run around from Ross County and Aberdeen at the end of last season and have started this season in the same vein.

[Hibiza]

To it

[Exuberance1875]

Would love to know what dafty sanctioned the extension of Newell contract , ****ing mind blowing after what he’s shown us for years

Exactly, done nothing in his time at Hibs to merit a new dea

[Big_Franck]

Joe Newell is the exact opposite of what we need as club captain if we are to be successful. His number 1 fan seems to be all over this thread, as per.

[Alex Trager]

Newell? Over NMW? Good lord.

Newell was poor but was playing midfield himself.

Boyle, Vente, NMW, Campbell. Dreadful.

Newell is as good as the other midfielders.

Not very.

[Basildon Hibs]

Would love to know what dafty sanctioned the extension of Newell contract , ****ing mind blowing after what he’s shown us for years

👍👍

[B.H.F.C]

They make up two thirds of your midfield, nothing changes.

[Chorley Hibee]

How many years is it now that we've known Newell, Campbell et al aren't good enough?

How many windows have the club ignored it?

Don't worry though, there'll be another review along soon.

[blackpoolhibs]

Remember we wont know how good Newell is until he's gone.:faf:

[Bostonhibby]

NMW is a young laddie learning his trade. Newell is club captain and is in there to impact games. Tick this off as yet another he failed to do so. I do like him but he needs to offer so much more.

Slows the game down majority of the time and I hate it when he just fizzes a pass back to the player who played it to him instead of turning and going forward.This is pretty close to how I saw it today.

We continue to have a leadership vacuum and the same midfield issues as last season.

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[DH1875]

Pretty sure a lot of folk on here were raving about Campbell recently and saying he's a shoe in for player of the year this season.

[The Modfather]

I bet both had, statistically good games. I feel sorry for NMW. He has potential, but is VERY raw. Sandwiched inbetween Newell & Campbell I can’t see him leaving a better and more developed player than when he arrived.

[Coco Bryce]

Pretty sure a lot of folk on here were raving about Campbell recently and saying he's a shoe in for player of the year this season.

And we laughed at them then also.

[B.H.F.C]

Sick of hearing that Newell is our best midfielder. Doesn't mean a thing when the rest of them are ****.

Sick of watching him being such an integral part of my club. Goes a long way to explaining why we’re so poor.

[Exuberance1875]

Remember we wont know how good Newell is until he's gone.:faf:

Hopefully we find that out sooner rather than later.

[BoomtownHibees]

Remember we wont know how good Newell is until he's gone.:faf:

I’d take my chances with that

[CapitalGreen]

Remember we wont know how good Newell is until he's gone.:faf:

Gonna be a long ******* 3 years waiting.

[J-C]

Remember we wont know how good Newell is until he's gone.:faf:

And with his big new contract that won't be for another 2-3 years. a ****ing grim thought.

[The Modfather]

What are the genuine alternatives to Newell & Campbell?

A hail mary try of Amos, NMW & Levit. Despite there being no evidence to make a case for it other than it’s not a midfield made up with 2/3rds containing Newell & Campbell.

[MJ hibs]

Newell was signed as a winger iirc? I would try him back on the left, he can still put in a good cross and his dribbling is good. Never a CM

[Ozyhibby]

What are the genuine alternatives to Newell & Campbell?

A hail mary try of Amos, NMW & Levit. Despite there being no evidence to make a case for it other than it’s not a midfield made up with 2/3rds containing Newell & Campbell.

We’d don’t have alternatives in the club but every other club in the league appear to have found more adequate alternatives.


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[Exuberance1875]

Newell was signed as a winger iirc? I would try him back on the left, he can still put in a good cross and his dribbling is good. Never a CM

He’d be better left on the bench

[Stuart93]

What are the genuine alternatives to Newell & Campbell?

A hail mary try of Amos, NMW & Levit. Despite there being no evidence to make a case for it other than it’s not a midfield made up with 2/3rds containing Newell & Campbell.

Bring in better midfielders

[K-Zazu]

Everyone was saying the same after Falkirk beat us 2 years ago. 2 years later and the same players are still here.

[Basildon Hibs]

Bring in better midfielders

Correct. 👊👍

[supermcginn]

What are the genuine alternatives to Newell & Campbell?

A hail mary try of Amos, NMW & Levit. Despite there being no evidence to make a case for it other than it’s not a midfield made up with 2/3rds containing Newell & Campbell.

Levitt is streets ahead ability wise from Campbell.

[davym7062]

yet weve a lad on the bench whos a passer of the ball but doesnt even need a shower.... get leviitt on the park as a 10 ffs

[davym7062]

Levitt is streets ahead ability wise from Campbell.

campbell cant lace dylans boots

[Nicho87]

I don’t understand how Campbell over pre-season has been converted into some kind of messiah in waiting for this season ahead.

Midfield including Campbell no where near good enough

[Chorley Hibee]

I don’t understand how Campbell over pre-season has been converted into some kind of messiah in waiting for this season ahead.

Midfield including Campbell no where near good enough

Because folk aren't prepared to face the truth that is staring them in the face.

Campbell being cast as the answer to our midfield issues, by our Manager too, is all an attempt to deflect from another transfer window where these issues haven't been addressed, and more worryingly, what looks like no money to address the issues either.

I await the return of JDH just to top it off.

[The Spaceman]

Runs around a lot, that’s about it.

He’s 25 now and isn’t going to get that much better. Time to cut him loose or have him as a 4th/5th choice midfield reserve.

[CMac1988]

Runs around a lot, that’s about it.

He’s 25 now and isn’t going to get that much better. Time to cut him loose.

Is that how long he's got left on his contract?

[Mikey_1875]

I don’t understand how Campbell over pre-season has been converted into some kind of messiah in waiting for this season ahead.

Midfield including Campbell no where near good enough

Didn’t really understand the whole benchwarmer turned lynchpin story either. He isn’t going to pull us out the muck when the going gets tough.

[JohnM1875]

Runs around a lot, that’s about it.

He’s 25 now and isn’t going to get that much better. He’ll be at Raith or Dunfermline in 3 years time.

Hopefully a signing during the week will change things. If the Hodge rumour is true then he should come in for Campbell.

Hibs through and through but he's nowhere near at it technically. Fine as a sub last 15 mins or so, but shouldn't be starting for us. I know plenty will disagree.

[jeffers]

Because folk aren't prepared to face the truth that is staring them in the face.

Campbell being cast as the answer to our midfield issues, by our Manager too, is all an attempt to deflect from another transfer window where these issues haven't been addressed, and more worryingly, what looks like no money to address the issues either.

I await the return of JDH just to top it off.

I don’t think anyone really thinks Campbell is the answer to our midfield issues, he is though the only one who could get a goal. The trouble is he’s a really limited footballer and when he’s not scoring it’s more apparent.

[B.H.F.C]

I don’t understand how Campbell over pre-season has been converted into some kind of messiah in waiting for this season ahead.

Midfield including Campbell no where near good enough

It’s madness. Said it weeks ago that a midfield containing these two would see the same things happening. It’s concerning that Gray, who has been there throughout sees them as making up two thirds of his preferred midfield.

[Stuart93]

I don’t think anyone really thinks Campbell is the answer to our midfield issues, he is though the only one who could get a goal. The trouble is he’s a really limited footballer and when he’s not scoring it’s more apparent.

Na nonsense there were plenty posters singing Campbell’s praises before the season kicked off and that he was going to do this and that.

He’s incredibly limited. In fact, I don’t rate him much at all. Just adds to a **** midfield.

[lugz]

Is 2nd game of the season to early for a rendition of “you’re not fit to wear the shirt”? This was the case for almost all who played their part in last seasons shambles and they’ve not started this one any better. Will give the new guys a break in the short term.

[AlbertK86]

Newell? Over NMW? Good lord.

Newell was poor but was playing midfield himself.

Boyle, Vente, NMW, Campbell. Dreadful.

Agree


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[AlbertK86]

They can all go in window non existent worst midfield ever

Agree. Stick up for Newell for years but all three were a disgrace in that second half


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[Smartie]

I don’t think the “Campbell number 10, Vente number 9” works, rather than it being Campbell and the other midfielders.

I could see Campbell potentially working with big Myk.

First half, I thought the keeper, defence, Newell and NMW and the wide players were more than acceptable. Really quite good, actually. It fell apart at the sharp end of the team - which is where I’d be starting the changes going forward.

Second half, it was wrong everywhere. An absolute mess, with zero redeeming features.

[AlbertK86]

Learning his trade. That old chestnut. Rudi is younger and much better today than NMW. He was a man down.

Rudi was one of the very few to show he cared today


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[jeffers]

Na nonsense there were plenty posters singing Campbell’s praises before the season kicked off and that he was going to do this and that.

He’s incredibly limited. In fact, I don’t rate him much at all. Just adds to a **** midfield.

I don’t disagree there were people singing his praises, just don’t think they were suggesting he’s the answer. Don’t know why I’m arguing the point though as I’ve already said I think he’s a poor footballer. Wasn’t so long ago he was considering getting a job and going part time.

[Stuart93]

I don’t disagree there were people singing his praises, just don’t think they were suggesting he’s the answer. Don’t know why I’m arguing the point though as I’ve already said I think he’s a poor footballer. Wasn’t so long ago he was considering getting a job and going part time.

Know what’s really annoying though I thought he looked good when he was first introduced into the team, who knows maybe if we were better he would’ve developed a bit more but it’s the fact there’s been little to no improvement in him for me.

His passing for a professional footballer at that level is nout short of embarrassing

[Shrekko]

Didn’t really understand the whole benchwarmer turned lynchpin story either. He isn’t going to pull us out the muck when the going gets tough.

It’s when the going gets tough that Campbell completely disappears - bar the odd stupid foul to make it look like he’s busting a gut.

I found it extremely worrying when SDG was talking about him as a possible key player for the season ahead. Absolutely nowhere near they required level.

[Bob Box Fish]

Wait until JDH is back then the dream team reunite

[MWHIBBIES]

Rudi was one of the very few to show he cared today


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Yep. Very good from him honestly. Gave that big mutant Rooney a game.

[Springbank]

Both of them are woeful.

Making Newell captain is just taking the piss

Agree with this

And if SDG really wants to make a statement after yesterdays "unacceptable" result then strip Newell of the armband

Give it now to oHora & let the world know he has been given the authority to yell at his teammates, to demand more from Newell, from NMW, from Campbell, Boyle, Vente & the rest

And let's get away from 6 years of "Nice Laddie But Not A Leader" leaders

[Aldo]

The Captain, for me anyway should

Demonstrate leadership skills with the ability to motivate, inspire their teammates and make good and effective decisions on the pitch.

Should be a player who leads by example and can heavily influence a game by driving his teammates and team forward.

Is a good and effective on field communicator and motivating driving his teammates on.

Must be committed and dedicated and should be one of the hardest working and most committed players on the team, setting a positive example for others.

So the above are just a few things I expect from the Captain. Newell, for me gives none of the above and hasn’t done so for a long period of time.

I keep hearing he’s our best midfielder and/or he’s doing it on his own. If he’s our best midfielder then we are settling for mediocracy or maybe less. Newell along with other senior pros need to step up and now.

[Ozyhibby]

The Captain, for me anyway should

Demonstrate leadership skills with the ability to motivate, inspire their teammates and make good and effective decisions on the pitch.

Should be a player who leads by example and can heavily influence a game by driving his teammates and team forward.

Is a good and effective on field communicator and motivating driving his teammates on.

Must be committed and dedicated and should be one of the hardest working and most committed players on the team, setting a positive example for others.

So the above are just a few things I expect from the Captain. Newell, for me gives none of the above and hasn’t done so for a long period of time.

I keep hearing he’s our best midfielder and/or he’s doing it on his own. If he’s our best midfielder then we are settling for mediocracy or maybe less. Newell along with other senior pros need to step up and now.

The guy has been here 5 years. There will be no step change in his performance levels. What you see is what you will get for the next three years.


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[Aldo]

The guy has been here 5 years. There will be no step change in his performance levels. What you see is what you will get for the next three years.


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I have no expectations tbh.

[MWHIBBIES]

The guy has been here 5 years. There will be no step change in his performance levels. What you see is what you will get for the next three years.


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Hope so. Been mostly good for us.

[K-Zazu]

A new contract and made captain, made captain by a guy that has been here for a coach for years. Wtf is going on?

[chasitup]

A new contract and made captain, made captain by a guy that has been here for a coach for years. Wtf is going on?

This is where I'm at. The mediocrity accepted at the club is embarrassing.

[SickBoy32]

Hope so. Been mostly good for us.

Geez peace man **** sake

[CapitalGreen]

Knives are out for oor Joe, he needs another Luzern performance to live off for the next 12 months.

[LaMotta]

The guy has been here 5 years. There will be no step change in his performance levels. What you see is what you will get for the next three years.


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I think the bigger problem is that given he is 31 now, there's a fair chance that his performance levels will drop.

[Brightside]

They both need to be squad options.

[MWHIBBIES]

Geez peace man **** sake

A great reply.

[MWHIBBIES]

Knives are out for oor Joe, he needs another Luzern performance to live off for the next 12 months.

He was easily one of our best players last season. Wasn't living off anything.

[CapitalGreen]

I think the bigger problem is that given he is 31 now, there's a fair chance that his performance levels will drop.

It’s not a fair chance his performance levels will drop it’s already a reality that his performance levels are dropping.

[Cabbage-Patch]

Said it for years now Joe Newell has never been good enough. He's a squad player at best and never a captain. Has the odd decent game but goes missing any time the chips are down. Genuinely amazed he's managed to remain a regular starter all these years. He will probably command a sizable wage he dosent justify. He should have been sold years ago. We need warriors in the middle of the park and himself and Campbell are certainly not.

[hibsbollah]

He was easily one of our best players last season. Wasn't living off anything.

The mess we’re in has gone past individuals. I agree with you about Joe Newell being an asset, and in a functional club we would have had some quality signings to help construct a proper midfield, whether a 3 4 or 5. The summer has been pissed away and none of us really knows what the hell is going on at the club. Except theres a trail of broken promises. That’s the problem here, not Joe’s perceived failings which im sure will be pointed out to you again amd again.

[chasitup]

Said it for years now Joe Newell has never been good enough. He's a squad player at best and never a captain. Has the odd decent game but goes missing any time the chips are down. Genuinely amazed he's managed to remain a regular starter all these years. He will probably command a sizable wage he dosent justify. He should have been sold years ago. We need warriors in the middle of the park and himself and Campbell are certainly not.

Been a big part of the downward spiral of recent years. That he's regarded as our best midfielder and now captain is inidicative of where we are. Not good enough.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Another game that Joe let pass him by. He should be driving us forward. What worried me in that 2nd half capitulation was how deep him and NMW were at times. Sitting on the defence and no more than 10 yards away from each other

Get up the ****ing park and closer to the forwards. Neither Newell or Campbell will drive us forward.

[Nicho87]

Another game that Joe let pass him by. He should be driving us forward. What worried me in that 2nd half capitulation was how deep him and NMW were at times. Sitting on the defence and no more than 10 yards away from each other

Get up the ****ing park and closer to the forwards. Neither Newell or Campbell will drive us forward.

No where near different enough

So many midfielders that sit and just want to do the basic pass to the full back

How we miss a mcginlay type or John O’Neil type busting a gut, taking a chance to get a goal

We are so rigid and safe it’s depressing

[HibbyAndy]

No where near different enough

So many midfielders that sit and just want to do the basic pass to the full back

How we miss a mcginlay type or John O’Neil type busting a gut, taking a chance to get a goal

We are so rigid and safe it’s depressing


Mcginlay eh , What an engine he had !!

[B.H.F.C]

Newell is a constant in a midfield that is consistently poor. Despite being seen as our ‘best’ midfielder, we’ve rarely missed him when he misses games over the last few years (which is fairly rare in itself).

We just keep going round in circles doing the same thing time after time. Gray has been there the whole time as well, seeing it regularly not work but here we are doing the same thing again. You’d think we would just try, at some point, to come up with something that didn’t just include the same players.

[hibee-boys]

Has a midfield 3 of Newell/Campbell with AN Other ever worked? I don’t mean against diddy teams in the cup but consistently in the league. I feel like we’ve been having the same discussion for literally years and our manager, who’s been with us over that period, seems to think it’ll all of a sudden change. I was worried that SDG may be too close to the group of players to make the hard decisions, if he insists on this combination in midfield then that can be the only reason.

[21sMay]

Josh Campbell is a massive part of the problem. He will definitely work harder than anyone on the pitch but unfortunately for us and him , that's just not enough.

We really need to out and sign 1 or 2 starters for the midfield asap

[RossScott1991]

Since both have featured for Hibs

0 league wins v rangers
1 cup win v rangers (Boyle hatty)

1 league win v hearts (nisbet 1.0)

1 league win v Celtic (4.2 in a dead rubber for Celtic where they rotated)

They’ve been at heart of our midfield or our main options last few seasons and have 3 victories in some of the biggest games in total.

Not to mention Newell been involved in 2 semi finals v hearts and sent off on one.

We need better.

(Campbell didn’t even start in the only derby or Celtic victory of recent times also Came on as a sub in both )

The neglect of the midfield and signing better / different profile of player is criminal.

Since we beat rangers in the semi with a midfield of newell / Campbell and JDH we’ve been cursed with it.

The only evolving that’s happened is JDH frozen out and we’ve put guys with very little quality in the place. It’s never worked and never will work.

Bartley / Mcginn / Allan

Should be the blueprint of combination of styles we should always look to do.

[Aldo]

Since both have featured for Hibs

0 league wins v rangers
1 cup win v rangers (Boyle hatty)

1 league win v hearts (nisbet 1.0)

1 league win v Celtic (4.2 in a dead rubber for Celtic where they rotated)

They’ve been at heart of our midfield or our main options last few seasons and have 3 victories in some of the biggest games in total.

Not to mention Newell been involved in 2 semi finals v hearts and sent off on one.

We need better.

(Campbell didn’t even start in the only derby victory of recent times also! Came on as a sub)

The neglect of the midfield and signing better / different profile of player is criminal.

Since we beat rangers in the semi with a midfield of newell / Campbell and JDH we’ve been cursed with it.

The only evolving that’s happened is JDH frozen out and we’ve put guys with very little quality in the place. It’s never worked and never will work.

Bartley / Mcginn / Allan

Should be the blueprint of combination of styles we should always look to do.

Fyvie/McGeouch/McGinn wasn’t too shabby either.

[CapitalGreen]

1 league win v hearts (nisbet 1.0)

1 league win v Celtic (4.2 in a dead rubber for Celtic where they rotated)


The Hearts game, Campbell only played the final 18 minutes.

The Celtic game we were losing 2-1 until Newell went off injured.

[MWHIBBIES]

Since both have featured for Hibs

0 league wins v rangers
1 cup win v rangers (Boyle hatty)

1 league win v hearts (nisbet 1.0)

1 league win v Celtic (4.2 in a dead rubber for Celtic where they rotated)

They’ve been at heart of our midfield or our main options last few seasons and have 3 victories in some of the biggest games in total.

Not to mention Newell been involved in 2 semi finals v hearts and sent off on one.

We need better.

(Campbell didn’t even start in the only derby or Celtic victory of recent times also Came on as a sub in both )

The neglect of the midfield and signing better / different profile of player is criminal.

Since we beat rangers in the semi with a midfield of newell / Campbell and JDH we’ve been cursed with it.

The only evolving that’s happened is JDH frozen out and we’ve put guys with very little quality in the place. It’s never worked and never will work.

Bartley / Mcginn / Allan

Should be the blueprint of combination of styles we should always look to do.

You misspelled Mcgeouch. Marv didn't get near the side with Mcginn and Allan in it. I doubt that trio started 1 game together.

[RossScott1991]

The Hearts game, Campbell only played the final 18 minutes.

The Celtic game we were losing 2-1 until Newell went off injured.

Indeed. We beat rangers and hearts with Simon Murray up top.

Due to midfield we had. Even Slivka had more quality about him.

We need to stop obsessing over attackers every window and wide players and address the real issue

Midfield. But every manager seems to be falling into same trap

[RossScott1991]

You misspelled Mcgeouch. Marv didn't get near the side with Mcginn and Allan in it. I doubt that trio started 1 game together.

Fair, but Marv would come into side especially derbies and had a good record in them

[MWHIBBIES]

Fair, but Marv would come into side especially derbies and had a good record in them

Yes, because he played alongside Mcginn, Mcgeouch, McGregor, Gray, Marciano, Cummings etc.

[Brooster]

Newell was completely anonymous yesterday just like he is in most games.

[RossScott1991]

Yes, because he played alongside Mcginn, Mcgeouch, McGregor, Gray, Marciano, Cummings etc.

He also played brilliantly in midfield v hearts in Scottish Cup replay at ER 1.0 where he was alongside a Kevin Thomson in midfield and we had to be solid to see out that game.

Not sure what you’re getting at. My point is all these MIDFIELDERS we are discussing were far more dominant and up for the battle than the two this threads is about. And until we find better players / characters you will see the current performances/records vs the big boys be much of the same

[eastmainsmsh]

Don't get it with Newell at all frustrating at times maybe best if he could move on with 4 weeks of window

[MWHIBBIES]

He also played brilliantly in midfield v hearts in Scottish Cup replay at ER 1.0 where he was alongside a Kevin Thomson in midfield and we had to be solid to see out that game.

Not sure what you’re getting at. My point is all these MIDFIELDERS we are discussing were far more dominant and up for the battle than the two this threads is about. And until we find better players / characters you will see the current performances/records vs the big boys be much of the same
Marv was great in derbies. Overall he was nothing that special imo. And basically never played in the top flight.

[CapitalGreen]

Marv was great in derbies. Overall he was nothing that special imo. And basically never played in the top flight.

Played over 70 games for Livi in the top flight though and never finished outwith the top 6. Proper central midfielder.

[BoomtownHibees]

Played over 70 games for Livi in the top flight though and never finished outwith the top 6. Proper central midfielder.

At least we knew what Marv was and what his role was in the team. We have so many midfielders just now that I don’t know what they are or what they offer

[Stuart93]

I’ve slept on it and woke up with a fresher outlook

Neither are good enough for us

[blackpoolhibs]

Show pony and a Blackpool donkey.

[LaMotta]

Played over 70 games for Livi in the top flight though and never finished outwith the top 6. Proper central midfielder.

He played over 40 for us in the top flight (including European matches) as well.

[Hibiza]

Both wouldn't get a place in any other SPL team

[Donnchadh1875]

I met a guy today and I asked him what he thought of Newell and Campbell. He paused for a second and just said "they're alright, but we need better."

That's it in a nutshell.

[Tambo]

Last 5 years worth of centre midfielders, I have not added Newell as he was signed as a winger.

Vella
Allan
Hallberg
Omeonga
Docherty
Magenis
S.McGinn
Gogic
Irvine
JDH
Henderson
Jeggo
Kenneh
Levitt
NMW
Marcondes
Amos

Not added Delf either as I'm sure he was signed as a RB? Could be wrong tho. A few of those was loans.

[BoomtownHibees]

I met a guy today and I asked him what he thought of Newell and Campbell. He paused for a second and just said "they're alright, but we need better."

That's it in a nutshell.

Great insight 😂

[whiskas]

Newell is currently our best all-rounder but is inconsistent and still not brilliant defensively (gives away too many silly fouls IMO). Campbell is strong, quick and has the stamina to go box-to-box. Unfortunately he's pretty poor technically and his 2nd touch is usually a tackle (and he can't pass water nevermind a football).
Levitt has bags of technical ability but isn't great physically (slow and weak for this level) and thus struggles to impose himself on games. Basically like a slightly better Ewan Henderson or a poor man's Scott Allan.

The entire team needs an overhaul but our midfield has been one of the weakest in the SPL for several years now. I can see that there have been attempts to improve it e.g. NWM, Amos but they're not good enough either therefore adding to the growing pile of dead wood. Someone needs to introduce the club recruitment team to the concept of 'buy cheap, buy twice'.

We need someone strong, mobile, with a bit of skill and steel to shore up the midfield and either help Newell our or replace him. Kyle Magennis has been the closest we've come to a player like that, pity he spent most of his time on the treatment table :(

[Cabbage-Patch]

Last 5 years worth of centre midfielders, I have not added Newell as he was signed as a winger.

Vella
Allan
Hallberg
Omeonga
Docherty
Magenis
S.McGinn
Gogic
Irvine
JDH
Henderson
Jeggo
Kenneh
Levitt
NMW
Marcondes
Amos

Not added Delf either as I'm sure he was signed as a RB? Could be wrong tho. A few of those was loans.

That's actually frightening. Only ones with pass marks really were Omeoga(1st spell) and Gogic

[Alfred E Newman]

Last 5 years worth of centre midfielders, I have not added Newell as he was signed as a winger.

Vella
Allan
Hallberg
Omeonga
Docherty
Magenis
S.McGinn
Gogic
Irvine
JDH
Henderson
Jeggo
Kenneh
Levitt
NMW
Marcondes
Amos

Not added Delf either as I'm sure he was signed as a RB? Could be wrong tho. A few of those was loans.

Scott Allan is probably the exception but that is a frightening list of absolute dross.

[blackpoolhibs]

Newell is currently our best all-rounder but is inconsistent and still not brilliant defensively (gives away too many silly fouls IMO). Campbell is strong, quick and has the stamina to go box-to-box. Unfortunately he's pretty poor technically and his 2nd touch is usually a tackle (and he can't pass water nevermind a football).
Levitt has bags of technical ability but isn't great physically (slow and weak for this level) and thus struggles to impose himself on games. Basically like a slightly better Ewan Henderson or a poor man's Scott Allan.

The entire team needs an overhaul but our midfield has been one of the weakest in the SPL for several years now. I can see that there have been attempts to improve it e.g. NWM, Amos but they're not good enough either therefore adding to the growing pile of dead wood. Someone needs to introduce the club recruitment team to the concept of 'buy cheap, buy twice'.

We need someone strong, mobile, with a bit of skill and steel to shore up the midfield and either help Newell our or replace him. Kyle Magennis has been the closest we've come to a player like that, pity he spent most of his time on the treatment table :(

Is he? He's like a quarterback for us, it all goes through him and it goes through him slowly.

We must be the easiest team in the league to defend against in numbers, we give them more time to get behind the ball because of the way he dictates how we play.

[MWHIBBIES]

Is he? He's like a quarterback for us, it all goes through him and it goes through him slowly.

We must be the easiest team in the league to defend against in numbers, we give them more time to get behind the ball because of the way he dictates how we play.

We aren't though, because we created plenty of good chances. Our forwards just don't finish them.

[Shrekko]

Both wouldn't get a place in any other SPL team

What a load of absolute tosh (in the case of Newell).

Honestly, this relentless obsession is embarrassing. It’s utterly irrational.

[allezsauzee]

While I agree that our midfield is weak, Newell is the only one of them I'd be happy to have in there at the moment . However he's nowhere near as effective playing as defensive mid as he is further forward. It's so obvious when his best form has been when Jeggo was playing.

[Tambo]

Scott Allan is probably the exception but that is a frightening list of absolute dross.

Indeed and we are wanting a rebuild again after one game of the new season which means another 3 new ones to add to the list.

I actually thought Gogic Newell Irvine was a decent trio.

[Tyler Durden]

I’ve defended Newell in the past but he can’t be playing that deep role. We need someone in there who has some defensive instincts.

Hopefully that is Hodge or a new signing. Or give Amos 3 or 4 games to prove himself.

[Tyler Durden]

Indeed and we are wanting a rebuild again after one game of the new season which means another 3 new ones to add to the list.

I actually thought Gogic Newell Irvine was a decent trio.

It absolutely was. There was a balance there, albeit they were helped by strong consistent wide options too

[Viva_Palmeiras]

What a load of absolute tosh (in the case of Newell).

Honestly, this relentless obsession is embarrassing. It’s utterly irrational.

more importantly /self-defeating/

[hibsbollah]

While I agree that our midfield is weak, Newell is the only one of them I'd be happy to have in there at the moment . However he's nowhere near as effective playing as defensive mid as he is further forward. It's so obvious when his best form has been when Jeggo was playing.

Yes, advance Newell away from the deep role so hes influencing things in the top end of the pitch, and sign at least two more.

[Keith_M]

I feel nervous posting this on here but I thought Newell was actually decent for a large part of the game.

In the first half in particular he was one of the few that held the ball well, despite some meaty challenges, and his passing was very good. Thee was a few times where he created chances for our forwards, only for them to mess it up.

He has his failings, and he was one of the players that fell out of the game late on, but I'm not really seeing him as the root of our issues.

[MWHIBBIES]

I feel nervous posting this on here but I thought Newell was actually decent for a large part of the game.

In the first half in particular he was one of the few that held the ball well, despite some meaty challenges, and his passing was very good. Thee was a few times where he created chances for our forwards, only for them to mess it up.

He has his failings, and he was one of the players that fell out of the game late on, but I'm not really seeing him as the root of our issues.

Couldn't agree more.

[GreenCastle]

You can play Newell deep against dross teams but against better teams who defend better and get players behind the ball he’s too slow on and off the ball.

He’s turned into Liam Craig Mk2 sitting deep - pointing - showing for passes - getting in the way of the Centre backs and generally not doing enough to influence the game.

Newell further forward is just about manageable but deeper it exposes all his flaws and his main one - not being to tackle or get in the right positions defensively.

Sign a CDM and that’s a game changer - Newell and ideally McCowan further forward.

I’m still not convinced Newell is captain material and giving him a new deal was mental as he’s sitting comfortable on a decent contract and he’s basically unstoppable and he knows it.

[LaMotta]

Is he? He's like a quarterback for us, it all goes through him and it goes through him slowly.We must be the easiest team in the league to defend against in numbers, we give them more time to get behind the ball because of the way he dictates how we play.
You can play Newell deep against dross teams but against better teams who defend better and get players behind the ball he’s too slow on and off the ball. He’s turned into Liam Craig Mk2 sitting deep - pointing - showing for passes - getting in the way of the Centre backs and generally not doing enough to influence the game.Newell further forward is just about manageable but deeper it exposes all his flaws and his main one - not being to tackle or get in the right positions defensively.Sign a CDM and that’s a game changer - Newell and ideally McCowan further forward.I’m still not convinced Newell is captain material and giving him a new deal was mental as he’s sitting comfortable on a decent contract and he’s basically unstoppable and he knows it.I think you are both spot on with regard to how slowly things go through Newell. Its been like that since he got here though - I posted almost the same thing after the 2021 Cup Final v St Johnstone. As soon as we went one nil down, then it was so easy for them to play as Newell took several touches before moving play on - they just got everyone behind the ball and we couldn't break them down. Just not fast enough. When we go a goal down that makes having Newell in the team a drawback.

[CapitalGreen]

I think you are both spot on with regard to how slowly things go through Newell. Its been like that since he got here though - I posted almost the same thing after the 2021 Cup Final v St Johnstone. As soon as we went one nil down, then it was so easy for them to play as Newell took several touches before moving play on - they just got everyone behind the ball and we couldn't break them down. Just not fast enough. When we go a goal down that makes having Newell in the team a drawback.

In the last 12 months, the St Mirren league cup quarter final was the only match we won after going a goal behind.

The other occasions in the last 3 years:
- 4-2 home win against Celtic in May 23, we were 2-1 down until Maeda sent off and Newell went off injured.
- 4-1 Away win at Livi in Mar 23, Newell didn’t play.
- 3-1 Home win v Aberdeen, losing 1-0 until Scales sent off.
- 3-1 Away to Abroath in Feb 22, Newell didn’t play.
- 2-1 Away to St Johnstone, losing 1-0 until Bryson sent off.

5 of our 6 comeback wins in the last 3 years has come after an opponent was sent off and/or Newell wasn’t playing.

For comparison, Hearts have come from behind to win 5 times in the last 12 months alone.

[B.H.F.C]

In the last 12 months, the St Mirren league cup quarter final was the only match we won after going a goal behind.

The other occasions in the last 3 years:
- 4-2 home win against Celtic in May 23, we were 2-1 down until Maeda sent off and Newell went off injured.
- 4-1 Away win at Livi in Mar 23, Newell didn’t play.
- 3-1 Home win v Aberdeen, losing 1-0 until Scales sent off.
- 3-1 Away to Abroath in Feb 22, Newell didn’t play.
- 2-1 Away to St Johnstone, losing 1-0 until Bryson sent off.

5 of our 6 comeback wins in the last 3 years has come after an opponent was sent off and/or Newell wasn’t playing.

For comparison, Hearts have come from behind to win 5 times in the last 12 months alone.

That is bloody depressing reading and tells you a lot about the mentality of our team over that period.

[Keith_M]

That is bloody depressing reading and tells you a lot about the mentality of our team over that period. Sadly I think that's one of our biggest failings. We see the heads go down far too often when things aren't going our way, e.g. going a goal down or getting a red card.

Other sides seem to pick up their game to cope with circumstances but with us it's almost inevitable that we get beat.

[LaMotta]

In the last 12 months, the St Mirren league cup quarter final was the only match we won after going a goal behind.The other occasions in the last 3 years:- 4-2 home win against Celtic in May 23, we were 2-1 down until Maeda sent off and Newell went off injured.- 4-1 Away win at Livi in Mar 23, Newell didn’t play. - 3-1 Home win v Aberdeen, losing 1-0 until Scales sent off.- 3-1 Away to Abroath in Feb 22, Newell didn’t play.- 2-1 Away to St Johnstone, losing 1-0 until Bryson sent off. 5 of our 6 comeback wins in the last 3 years has come after an opponent was sent off and/or Newell wasn’t playing.For comparison, Hearts have come from behind to win 5 times in the last 12 months alone.Really interesting and worrying stats, thanks for checking this.

[hibsbollah]

In the last 12 months, the St Mirren league cup quarter final was the only match we won after going a goal behind.

The other occasions in the last 3 years:
- 4-2 home win against Celtic in May 23, we were 2-1 down until Maeda sent off and Newell went off injured.
- 4-1 Away win at Livi in Mar 23, Newell didn’t play.
- 3-1 Home win v Aberdeen, losing 1-0 until Scales sent off.
- 3-1 Away to Abroath in Feb 22, Newell didn’t play.
- 2-1 Away to St Johnstone, losing 1-0 until Bryson sent off.

5 of our 6 comeback wins in the last 3 years has come after an opponent was sent off and/or Newell wasn’t playing.

For comparison, Hearts have come from behind to win 5 times in the last 12 months alone.

That looks more like coincidence than causation to me.

Not everything is about Joe.

[CapitalGreen]

That looks more like coincidence than causation to me.

Not everything is about Joe.

Either way it’s an absolutely pitiful record for the club and players involved.

[hibsbollah]

Either way it’s an absolutely pitiful record for the club and players involved.

No arguments there my friend.

[BILLYHIBS]

By the same token look at our eight 2-2 draws in the league last season a wee bit extra effort from the team better game management team selections or luck in the dodgy VAR decisions against us and we could easily have ended up in the top six with the financial rewards that brings but ultimately cost NM his job

Fine margins

[Calidad]

I think Newell is perfectly fine at this level, but Campbell isn’t. I was criticised by quite a few on this forum for saying his passing isn’t good enough when we thrashed a lower league side a couple of weeks back and he picked up a couple of assists, but he just isn’t good enough.

He works hard, gives his all and I’d love him to succeed but we can’t carry a CM/AM who can’t consistently pass the ball effectively. I don’t understand why we don’t try Levitt in that position. Campbell is a backup at best.

[hibee-boys]

I think Newell is perfectly fine at this level, but Campbell isn’t. I was criticised by quite a few on this forum for saying his passing isn’t good enough when we thrashed a lower league side a couple of weeks back and he picked up a couple of assists, but he just isn’t good enough.

He works hard, gives his all and I’d love him to succeed but we can’t carry a CM/AM who can’t consistently pass the ball effectively. I don’t understand why we don’t try Levitt in that position. Campbell is a backup at best.

I think he’s chosen to play Campbell at 10 mainly on his work rate/engine, not the main qualities I’d want in such a key position. I suspect that’s why neither Newell/Levitt have been tried in there. However, I think both of them have the technical skills to operate far better in there. Perhaps McCowan is the blend of both. If we had a more mobile central midfield you’d think we could play a 10 who’s main goal is to create not chase down defenders🤷🏼

[hibsbollah]

I think Newell is perfectly fine at this level, but Campbell isn’t. I was criticised by quite a few on this forum for saying his passing isn’t good enough when we thrashed a lower league side a couple of weeks back and he picked up a couple of assists, but he just isn’t good enough.

He works hard, gives his all and I’d love him to succeed but we can’t carry a CM/AM who can’t consistently pass the ball effectively. I don’t understand why we don’t try Levitt in that position. Campbell is a backup at best.

I agree with this.

[1875M]

I agree with this.

Same. He wouldn’t start for any team who finished Top 6 last season or Aberdeen. He’s a Hibs boy and I really hope he can prove me wrong, but I just don’t see it. We need better if we want 3rd/4th.

[Smartie]

I like Campbell.

The problem for me isn't Campbell and Newell but it was Campbell and Vente.

One of my mates is a big West Ham fan and I used to go to the odd game with him. He used to point out Kevin Nolan to me - a midfielder with a brilliant goal scoring record who did very little of note other than to score goals - couldn't pass, couldn't tackle etc.

When you've got Campbell, who does very little other than score goals, and Vente, who does very little, it leaves you with problems centrally in the final third.

I could definitely see Campbell combining well with a striker who has a more rounded game than Vente.

A goalscoring midfielder, someone with the energy to get up by and beyond the forwards is not something to be sniffed at - even whilst taking into consideration the fact that his all round game has obvious shortcomings.

But if we're to play Vente, you're probably going to need to play Levitt over Campbell, someone whose passing ability is going to be more useful at bringing the front 3 into play.

[RIP]

I find this thread a bit weird.

See when we have players who start every week and some folk say they're not good enough for Hibs?

That's complete nonsense. Of course they are good enough otherwise successive managers wouldn't be picking them every week.

It's approaching ten years since we signed a
better group of midfielders. And it had previously been a tough 6 years of poorer midfielders under Calderwood, Fenlon and Butcher.

So to those who still dream of those once every decade third place finishes or cup wins, I say dream on if you wish. But the fact is that our average top division finish over the six decades that I've been a Hibby is 6th/7th with 4 cup wins. Hardly the form that will tempt better players to come to us.

This midfield is an average group for a club who are:-

Pretty average.

We very rarely sign three better midfielders all at once but hope springs eternal.

Our family still eagerly buy our season tickets every year and love going to matches. There's just something magical about that green and white strip

GGTTH 🇳🇬🇳🇬

[CapitalGreen]

I find this thread a bit weird.

See when we have players who start every week and some folk say they're not good enough for Hibs?

That's complete nonsense. Of course they are good enough otherwise successive managers wouldn't be picking them every week.

It's approaching ten years since we signed a
better group of midfielders. And it had previously been a tough 6 years of poorer midfielders under Calderwood, Fenlon and Butcher.

So to those who still dream of those once every decade third place finishes or cup wins, I say dream on if you wish. But the fact is that our average top division finish over the six decades that I've been a Hibby is 6th/7th with 4 cup wins. Hardly the form that will tempt better players to come to us.

This midfield is an average group for a club who are:-

Pretty average.

We very rarely sign three better midfielders all at once but hope springs eternal.

Our family still eagerly buy our season tickets every year and love going to matches. There's just something magical about that green and white strip

GGTTH 🇳🇬🇳🇬

A bit rich to call this thread weird then post this rambling nonsense.

And by the way, those successive managers may have lasted longer in the job if they’d actually sorted the glaring issues with our midfield.

[Coco Bryce]

I find this thread a bit weird.

See when we have players who start every week and some folk say they're not good enough for Hibs?

That's complete nonsense. Of course they are good enough otherwise successive managers wouldn't be picking them every week.

It's approaching ten years since we signed a
better group of midfielders. And it had previously been a tough 6 years of poorer midfielders under Calderwood, Fenlon and Butcher.

So to those who still dream of those once every decade third place finishes or cup wins, I say dream on if you wish. But the fact is that our average top division finish over the six decades that I've been a Hibby is 6th/7th with 4 cup wins. Hardly the form that will tempt better players to come to us.

This midfield is an average group for a club who are:-

Pretty average.

We very rarely sign three better midfielders all at once but hope springs eternal.

Our family still eagerly buy our season tickets every year and love going to matches. There's just something magical about that green and white strip

GGTTH ��������

Absolute rubbish!!

They've only been getting picked as we've had nobody else to replace them until now.

It's been blatantly obvious for years our midfield was inferior.

Now the new signings are here hopefully these players will disappear.

[Smartie]

I find this thread a bit weird.

See when we have players who start every week and some folk say they're not good enough for Hibs?

That's complete nonsense. Of course they are good enough otherwise successive managers wouldn't be picking them every week.

It's approaching ten years since we signed a
better group of midfielders. And it had previously been a tough 6 years of poorer midfielders under Calderwood, Fenlon and Butcher.

So to those who still dream of those once every decade third place finishes or cup wins, I say dream on if you wish. But the fact is that our average top division finish over the six decades that I've been a Hibby is 6th/7th with 4 cup wins. Hardly the form that will tempt better players to come to us.

This midfield is an average group for a club who are:-

Pretty average.

We very rarely sign three better midfielders all at once but hope springs eternal.

Our family still eagerly buy our season tickets every year and love going to matches. There's just something magical about that green and white strip

GGTTH 🇳🇬🇳🇬

Thing is though, over that 10 years or so, how many times have we seen better individual players or better midfield units outplay ours on a much lower budget?

Most recently Sunday - I watched the Dundee derby before watching our game. The Dundee central midfield trio really looked good. We've seen O'Hara and co for St Mirren totally overpower our midfield. At times, under Steve Clarke and then McInnes we've seen Killie put a good midfield together.

I don't think it's unreasonable to ask if we can do better than we have, when teams with a significantly lower budget than ours have managed fine.

[hibsbollah]

I find this thread a bit weird.

See when we have players who start every week and some folk say they're not good enough for Hibs?

That's complete nonsense. Of course they are good enough otherwise successive managers wouldn't be picking them every week.

It's approaching ten years since we signed a
better group of midfielders. And it had previously been a tough 6 years of poorer midfielders under Calderwood, Fenlon and Butcher.

So to those who still dream of those once every decade third place finishes or cup wins, I say dream on if you wish. But the fact is that our average top division finish over the six decades that I've been a Hibby is 6th/7th with 4 cup wins. Hardly the form that will tempt better players to come to us.

This midfield is an average group for a club who are:-

Pretty average.

We very rarely sign three better midfielders all at once but hope springs eternal.

Our family still eagerly buy our season tickets every year and love going to matches. There's just something magical about that green and white strip

GGTTH 🇳🇬🇳🇬

I like Joe. I like Moriah Welsh. I like bits of Campbells game (the goals during hot streaks, mostly). Levitt has improved to the point where i can see the purpose of him.

The problem is our midfield isnt a functioning unit, which is really how it should be judged. Individual strengths are less important than how they work as a group. It needs a different balance and that means saying goodbye to some old faces and getting some fresh ones in. No room for sentiment.

[blackpoolhibs]

Ron Gordon wanted us to be the best of the rest, Foley wants us to be in Europe every season in the league stages, this current midfield wont do that, they are not good enough for a Hibs team that have those targets.

Is that weird or nonsence?

[K-Zazu]

Ron Gordon wanted us to be the best of the rest, Foley wants us to be in Europe every season in the league stages, this current midfield wont do that, they are not good enough for a Hibs team that have those targets.

Is that weird or nonsence?

It’s a bottom six midfield.

[MWHIBBIES]

It’s a bottom six midfield.

Tbf, we have a bottom 6 defence and forward line too. It's not the midfield holding a good team back. They're all crap.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Tbf, we have a bottom 6 defence and forward line too. It's not the midfield holding a good team back. They're all crap.

Major surgery going into all parts of the pitch so what you say is unproven at this point

[RIP]

A few replies to my post. All spectacularly missing the point.

Apart from the post relegation rebuild, in the past seventeen years on this fine messageboard I've been reading how our midfield aren't good enough for third.

I agree.

But we aren't a club that regularly finishes third. We regularly finish between fifth and eighth.

Some fans are literally spending every year of their Hibs-supporting lives abusing players that play every week. They are clearly not third in the league midfielders.

Why not support them instead? We are all Hibs.

[MWHIBBIES]

Major surgery going into all parts of the pitch so what you say is unproven at this point

Yes, I'm quite obviously discussing the ones that have proven their ability. Or lack of.

[Coco Bryce]

A few replies to my post. All spectacularly missing the point.

Apart from the post relegation rebuild, in the past seventeen years on this fine messageboard I've been reading how our midfield aren't good enough for third.

I agree.

But we aren't a club that regularly finishes third. We regularly finish between fifth and eighth.

Some fans are literally spending every year of their Hibs-supporting lives abusing players that play every week. They are clearly not third in the league midfielders.

Why not support them instead? We are all Hibs.

You can only support them for so long.

If they don't improve or progress you give up on them. You can't just keep aimlessly accepting they are not good enough.

It's a fact of football.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Yes, I'm quite obviously discussing the ones that have proven their ability. Or lack of.

Aye every day it seems

[WestStandWillie]

Newell should have been moved on not rewarded with a new contract and the armband.

Campbell's a funny one. He's at an age where he needs to kick on this season. There has been some encouraging performances but other times where he's too sloppy.

FWIW, league form has him averaging 6.7/10 across the last 3 seasons (albeit he only played 19 league games last season)

[Greenworld]

Newell should have been moved on not rewarded with a new contract and the armband.

Campbell's a funny one. He's at an age where he needs to kick on this season. There has been some encouraging performances but other times where he's too sloppy.

FWIW, league form has him averaging 6.7/10 across the last 3 seasons (albeit he only played 19 league games last season)You cannot kick on if you cannot control the ball and spend half the game on his arse

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[SHODAN]

I've been watching us since 2005 and in that time I've seen two good Hibs midfields - the tail end of the 2004-07 lot and the post relegation one of 2015-18.

Having a **** midfield with apparently no inkling to fix it is a Hibs classic. We're not due another good one for a couple years yet.

[Ozyhibby]

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[CapitalGreen]

The great survivors starting again today.[emoji23]



The Teflon Two.

[The Modfather]

It’s a red flag, IMO, how invested Gray is in Newell & Campbell. No matter how bad they play they’re undroppable while NMW, Levitt & Rudi carry the can are dropped at different points.

[CMac1988]

It’s a red flag, IMO, how invested Gray is in Newell & Campbell. No matter how bad they play they’re undroppable while NMW, Levitt & Rudi carry the can are dropped at different points.

Levitt should rarely be in a position that allows him to be dropped. Can have no qualms since he offers nothing 90% of the time. NMW and Rudi whilst somewhat raw at least have a reason to feel a little unjust at times when they're dropped.

[CapitalGreen]

Levitt should rarely be in a position that allows him to be dropped. Can have no qualms since he offers nothing 90% of the time. NMW and Rudi whilst somewhat raw at least have a reason to feel a little unjust at times when they're dropped.

What are the likes of Newell, Campbell and NMW offering during this time?

[TheHibernator]

Campbell looks absolutely burst, he’s marketed as a high energy centre mid but most of the time he’s hobbling about pointing at other people

[CapitalGreen]

Campbell looks absolutely burst, he’s marketed as a high energy centre mid but most of the time he’s hobbling about pointing at other people

To be fair he’s been doing Newell’s running as well today.

[California-Hibs]

I can't stand Campbell. Literally been said to death and there's good reason for it, he's a lower league player continuing to get a game for Hibs. It blows the mind! At least with Keon coming in one of these imposters will be dropped, and for me its Campbell 👋

[lucky]

Campbell is not good enough for Hibs. He can score a goal every so often but brings nothing to the team most weeks. Why he is starting is baffling

[CapitalGreen]

Campbell is not good enough for Hibs. He can score a goal every so often but brings nothing to the team most weeks. Why he is starting is baffling

He was the best of the 3 central midfielders today - which isn’t saying much but only fair for me to highlight after slating him last week.

[McD]

I can't stand Campbell. Literally been said to death and there's good reason for it, he's a lower league player continuing to get a game for Hibs. It blows the mind! At least with Keon coming in one of these imposters will be dropped, and for me its Campbell 👋


What’s the odds that it’ll be NMW who’s dropped, Campbell and Newell will still start, Gray has a complete blind spot for them.



He was the best of the 3 central midfielders today - which isn’t saying much but only fair for me to highlight after slating him last week.


Yes I’d agree, of the 3 Campbell was the best

[Smartie]

I genuinely didn't think the midfield did that badly today, none of the 3 of them.

Campbell was the best of them.

That's a tough shift, against a really good side who are incredibly strong in that area so the personal battles are always going to be a challenge.

Yes, we all want better and it's preferable going there with the likes of the golden generation and John McGinn but we are where we are.

None of them even get close to how awful Obita was today.

[Hiber-nation]

None of them even get close to how awful Obita was today.

If Obita thinks it's acceptable to jog back while his man is sprinting then he shouldn't be starting. Pathetic at the first goal today, same last week.

[CMac1988]

What are the likes of Newell, Campbell and NMW offering during this time?

Not much more tbf but if all Newell does is jog about then that's still more than Levitt's walking about.

[hibee_girl]

Not much more tbf but if all Newell does is jog about it then that's still more than Levitt's walking about.

Levitt doesn't even do much walking, he mainly stands still!

[JohnM1875]

Levitt doesn't even do much walking, he mainly stands still!

We just caning players that didn't even play now? Haha. Bizarrely thought Levitt was alright last week, I don't usually rate him.

[hibee_girl]

We just caning players that didn't even play now? Haha. Bizarrely thought Levitt was alright last week, I don't usually rate him.

I thought he was awful last week :greengrin

I'd much rather have Campbell in the team over him.

[Golden Bear]

Mid August and already it seems as though every player in the team is bereft of self confidence. The ball to many of them is like a hot tattie which is either best avoided or responsibility passed on to a teammate.

[JimBHibees]

If Obita thinks it's acceptable to jog back while his man is sprinting then he shouldn't be starting. Pathetic at the first goal today, same last week.

Looked very poor today the time he overran the ball in second half wasn’t great.Doesn’t look sharp or particularly fit

[JimBHibees]

I genuinely didn't think the midfield did that badly today, none of the 3 of them.

Campbell was the best of them.

That's a tough shift, against a really good side who are incredibly strong in that area so the personal battles are always going to be a challenge.

Yes, we all want better and it's preferable going there with the likes of the golden generation and John McGinn but we are where we are.

None of them even get close to how awful Obita was today.

Celtic midfield is sensational to be fair so much quality

[JimBHibees]

He was the best of the 3 central midfielders today - which isn’t saying much but only fair for me to highlight after slating him last week.

Thought he worked really hard and was still putting it in late on. Thought he was fine

[Hibiza]

The Teflon Two.

😂

[Coco Bryce]

The Teflon Two.

😂👍🏻

[Real Emerald]

Levitt doesn't even do much walking, he mainly stands still!

I find standing still quite difficult as I usually need to sit down, so on that respect he stands still really well. What have we become 🥲😂😂

[Cameron1875]

Every single centre midfielder at the club is not good enough to play for Hibs. I'm not interested in good on his day nonsense.

I was fortunate enough to grow up with O'Neill, Jack, Latapy as the 3, and then when the money ran out we had Brown, Thomson, and Boozy. Even more recently McGinn, McGeouch, and Allan/Bartley.

That is the standard for this club. Not this shower of absolute dross starting as a 3 and then their chums on the bench in Amos and Levitt.

Kwon hopefully can bring some sort of stability in front of the defence but god we at least need McCowan from Dundee asap to try get some control of games.

[TrinityHFC]

Every single centre midfielder at the club is not good enough to play for Hibs. I'm not interested in good on his day nonsense.

I was fortunate enough to grow up with O'Neill, Jack, Latapy as the 3, and then when the money ran out we had Brown, Thomson, and Boozy. Even more recently McGinn, McGeouch, and Allan/Bartley.

That is the standard for this club. Not this shower of absolute dross starting as a 3 and then their chums on the bench in Amos and Levitt.

Kwon hopefully can bring some sort of stability in front of the defence but god we at least need McCowan from Dundee asap to try get some control of games.

Some of those players used to get stick too. Boozy in particular wasn’t really appreciated at the time. Chat was he didn’t tackle and didn’t get enough assists or goals.

[Forza Fred]

Malky needs to make a clean sweep change to our midfield.

Radical surgery is required, rather than tinkering at the edges, or the finger will be pointed at him when we sit in the nether regions of the league.

[B.H.F.C]

The one thing to give a bit hope is that we do appear to be trying to get another body in and seem willing to spend big to do so.

Kwon is obviously available this weekend and will go straight in, you can guarantee it’ll be alongside Newell and Campbell though.

We need to get McCowan or move on and get someone else. If we are left playing this two every week, we’re in trouble. And so is David Gray if he persists with it.