Gordon and Kensell

[SHODAN]

Right.

How are we as fans going to remove them from the club? Because we need to start now, and fast.

[Hibs90]

The root of all of our problems.


Time to go. Get out.

[Gatecrasher]

We need to get shot of these impostors, our club is going down the drain.

[Pretty Boy]

Trust the process.

[sean04]

Cant survive this, had all summer to sort this mess out

[we are hibs]

Without doubt the 2 main men culpable for years of this dross.


I'm looking forward to the mental gymnastics from some on here on how it's somehow the fans fault for being too negative blah blah

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[The Modfather]

Transfer window still open for another 4 weeks or so and all that…

[SHODAN]

Direct action needed. Protest, mass walk outs, non-attendance. They don't have a clue. They need to go.

[Vault Boy]

The golden quadrant? The golden shower seems more apt. Absolute pish.

The mismanagement of the football club since the change in ownership has been so shambolic that it could be studied in years to come. ****ing sick of Hibernian being used as a nepo baby’s plaything.

[MWHIBBIES]

Without doubt the 2 main men culpable for years of this dross.


I'm looking forward to the mental gymnastics from some on here on how it's somehow the fans fault for being too negative blah blah

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Nope. They did not employ themselves. Ron Gordon is the main culprit.

[Not In The Know]

Trust the process.

Imagine coming out with a quote like that. Smug *******s. Who don’t have a clue what they are doing.

[GordonHFC]

The Gordons have ruined our club

[SteveHFC]

Both of them can get out of this club.

[Swedish hibee]

I blame Gray for not seeing what we've all seen for seasons. Our big earners should have been booted and all the money thrown at Maolida.

[we are hibs]

Direct action needed. Protest, mass walk outs, non-attendance. They don't have a clue. They need to go.This won't happen. It needs to but won't. Folk will vent on here and social media for a few days then it'll all die down again. Happens every time for the last 3 or 4 years

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[Chorley Hibee]

Wonder if he'll have a LinkedIn post this evening about "trusting the process"?

Time to chase him and the Gordon family out.

We're heading down otherwise.

[TrinityHFC]

You’d need £20m plus to remove the owners.

However, Kensell’s position should certainly be getting looked at and I’d add Malcolm McPherson to that.

[MWHIBBIES]

Signs were there when Leeann left. Now that's a CEO.

[Jones28]

Gordon’s are going nowhere.

Kensall can get.

[.Sean.]

When can we finally hear Mouse Gordon actually speak about these grand plans and the golden shower of ***** he’s involved in or is he a mute? As for Kensell, the less said about that fantasist the better. Get these pair of ***** chased

[Hibs90]

Signs were there when Leeann left. Now that's a CEO.

100%

Made mistakes but on the park where it matters - knew what she was doing.

[El Gubbz]

Unfortunately we’re stuck with them and the pals they’ve stopped speaking to for the foreseeable.

The civil war between the fans/HSL and the share issues diluting fans shares have made it so much harder for us to have any kind of say in the running of our club.

[GreenCastle]

Just don’t attend games or buy tickets - all they care about is £££

Fans are being treated like mugs.

Fans deserve better.

[NC1875]

He won’t be swanning about foodies festival with his orange face today like he was yesterday. Boys an absolute tit and it’s time we let them know they’re not wanted here.

[NC1875]

You’d need £20m plus to remove the owners.

However, Kensell’s position should certainly be getting looked at and I’d add Malcolm McPherson to that.

It takes time to sign the right players though. Trust the process. You’ve been telling us that for weeks 😂😂😂

[Stuart93]

We aren’t a football club anymore tbh.

It’s sad.

Not the same hibs I grew up supporting

[DarlingtonHibee]

Direct action needed. Protest, mass walk outs, non-attendance. They don't have a clue. They need to go.

What a load of bollocks.

How long have you been supporting Hibs ?

[Northernhibee]

What a load of bollocks.

How long have you been supporting Hibs ?

Accepting any old **** is part of the problem.

[Stuart93]

For me, as long as we’re selling ST’s the club plods along.

That’s where they have to be hit imo.

[TrinityHFC]

It takes time to sign the right players though. Trust the process. You’ve been telling us that for weeks 😂😂😂

Are you just going to keep following me round threads repeatedly saying this?

[MWHIBBIES]

For me, as long as we’re selling ST’s the club plods along.

That’s where they have to be hit imo.

No. You don't stop supporting your club. It's far bigger than these idiots.

You protest.

[NC1875]

Are you just going to keep following me round threads repeatedly saying this?

Maybe you’ll realise you’re not right like you’ve been making out for weeks and see this ****show for what it is.

Nothing has changed, wake up and smell the coffee

[Chorley Hibee]

I wish the Gordon family had never set foot in Easter Road.

[MWHIBBIES]

I wish the Gordon family had never set foot in Easter Road.

Yep. Ruining our club.

[TrinityHFC]

Maybe you’ll realise you’re not right like you’ve been making out for weeks and see this ****show for what it is.

Nothing has changed, wake up and smell the coffee

Not right about what? Perhaps read and understand my posts without telling me what you think I believe.

[JohnM1875]

I wish the Gordon family had never set foot in Easter Road.

I am at the stage where I think it'd be best for everyone if they sold up. Just can't see it though as they'll have a value that I don't think anyone will likely meet.

[Stuart93]

No. You don't stop supporting your club. It's far bigger than these idiots.

You protest.

Won’t have any effect on these clowns who think they’re doing nothing wrong

[TrinityHibby]

Just don’t attend games or buy tickets - all they care about is £££

Fans are being treated like mugs.

Fans deserve better.

I renewed my season ticket again the first day they went on sale this year …..come to think of it I’ve done the same for the last 25 years ……I am way past angry now just very, very sad …..zero signs we can get out of this downward spiral anytime soon under the Gordon family and their hired help …..will our 150 year be spent in the Championship?

[TrinityHibby]

I am at the stage where I think it'd be best for everyone if they sold up. Just can't see it though as they'll have a value that I don't think anyone will likely meet.

I said the same weeks ago…..unfortunately Malcolm MacPherson thinks they are the best thing that ever happened to HFC and he is being allowed to appoint his pals e.g. Malky MacKay and a very naive head coach…….at least Gray has publicly admitted he will be judged on results so won’t be given anymore time than his predecessors …..same the Board aren’t held accountable to anyone for theirs…….time to vote with our voices and feet

[GreenCastle]

I renewed my season ticket again the first day they went on sale this year …..come to think of it I’ve done the same for the last 25 years ……I am way past angry now just very, very sad …..zero signs we can get out of this downward spiral anytime soon under the Gordon family and their hired help …..will our 150 year be spent in the Championship?

You’re their ideal customer - will pay up and not complain.

[A Hi-Bee]

Not as if the wee balaclava crowd will have banners to get rid of Mr suntan, he has played a blinder with this one, we are not going to get him out of our club anytime soon.

[JohnM1875]

You’re their ideal customer - will pay up and not complain.

Come on, no need in getting on a fellow fans case for supporting their club. Not the fans fault this.

[K-Zazu]

Kensall out

[NC1875]

Surely a big banner next week so they see it and know we’re not happy. I don’t think they’re reading Hibs.net.

They need to know they’re not wanted

[Pedantic_Hibee]

Get Ian Gordon to **** and he can take Tanning Chatum with him as well. Couple of jokers.

And if SDG isn’t demanding a new midfield then he’s for the watching as well. He seriously can’t think Newell, NMW and Campbell are good enough for this campaign.

[GreenCastle]

Come on, no need in getting on a fellow fans case for supporting their club. Not the fans fault this.

Agreed - it wasn’t a personal dig but we have too many happy clappers and fans who just spend £ who the club take for granted.

The sooner we get our club back the better as it’s drifting aimlessly around right now.

[Ozyhibby]

Right.

How are we as fans going to remove them from the club? Because we need to start now, and fast.

I think there will be zero reaction from the fans. Just a little bit less attending each game.


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[Hibs90]

Maybe the 'ultras' could release a no reply statement on X, or start with some banners...you know, like ultras do.

[SHODAN]

I think there will be zero reaction from the fans. Just a little bit less attending each game.


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May well send the message. We have previous for needing a lot to convince us to come back once we stop attending.

[TrinityHFC]

Agreed - it wasn’t a personal dig but we have too many happy clappers and fans who just spend £ who the club take for granted.

The sooner we get our club back the better as it’s drifting aimlessly around right now.
That’s just being a supporter. I don’t think anyone should be criticised for that.

[Stuart93]

Apathy was already setting in end of last season.

What’s going to happen this season after a few poor results at the start of this one

[GreenCastle]

That’s just being a supporter. I don’t think anyone should be criticised for that.

I’m not criticising the fans but in my opinion the fans are being totally shafted and deserve better.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I wish the Gordon family had never set foot in Easter Road.

Hard to argue with that, but what can we do? We could organise a campaign to force them out, but even if successful, it isn’t much good without a buyer. Who is out there with serious determination to buy the club?

[Winston Ingram]

The pair of them are utterly clueless.

After a season like last season, they thought the solution to fixing it was appointing 3 rookies with zero experience of the roles they were appointed to was the solution.

Absolute clowns.

[InvertedFullBak]

Right.

How are we as fans going to remove them from the club? Because we need to start now, and fast.

you hound them out the club by getting numbers to the front door after each game and making it clear they’re not wanted. The message will soon get across. More we do it the more they’ll take notice.

[I'm Spartacus]

It's been well known I've been on Ben K's case since he came in, I saw through the dross, many times I've been lamblasted on here for tagging him as the fake-tanned tit who flys about town in a fully blacked out and lowered BMW 1 Series with an exhaust that sounds like a gun going off.

But it's all ok, we've reviewed the football review and we have Malky McKay. "TRUST THE PROCESS" that quote won't bite us at all.

BK and his Block 7 bam pals remain untouchable and David Gray will be the fall guy for it all.

[Hibiza]

It's been well known I've been on Ben K's case since he came in, I saw through the dross, many times I've been lamblasted on here for tagging him as the fake-tanned tit who flys about town in a fully blacked out and lowered BMW 1 Series with an exhaust that sounds like a gun going off.

But it's all ok, we've reviewed the football review and we have Malky McKay. "TRUST THE PROCESS" that quote won't bite us at all.

BK and his Block 7 bam pals remain untouchable and David Gray will be the fall guy for it all.

A couple of proven DUDS

[Keith_M]

Right.

How are we as fans going to remove them from the club? Because we need to start now, and fast.


Well, we'd need to find somebody with deep pockets that can buy their shares.

Anybody know any Hibs Fans with millions to spare?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Just don’t attend games or buy tickets - all they care about is £££

Fans are being treated like mugs.

Fans deserve better.

This. As long as the money is rolling in, they’ll be quite happy. They are all giving each other plaudits and think they’re doing good jobs because of the money, the football side of things appears to be inconsequential to them. You just have to look at that moron McPhersons interview in the media recently. Can’t even understand why there’s criticism.

[SHODAN]

Well, we'd need to find somebody with deep pockets that can buy their shares.

Anybody know any Hibs Fans with millions to spare?

I've actually started contributing to HSL again for all the good it will do. Every little helps!

In all seriousness, we need to pressure Gordon into putting us up for sale. That's all we can realistically do.

[Alex Trager]

It's been well known I've been on Ben K's case since he came in, I saw through the dross, many times I've been lamblasted on here for tagging him as the fake-tanned tit who flys about town in a fully blacked out and lowered BMW 1 Series with an exhaust that sounds like a gun going off.

But it's all ok, we've reviewed the football review and we have Malky McKay. "TRUST THE PROCESS" that quote won't bite us at all.

BK and his Block 7 bam pals remain untouchable and David Gray will be the fall guy for it all.
I suspect you’ve been lambasted for the unnecessary personal attacks on him.

Which your post is full of.

You have a list of his actions and their results the length of the Bayeux Tapestry that you can attack him for.

The rest of it is needless.

[Hibernian Verse]

Agreed - it wasn’t a personal dig but we have too many happy clappers and fans who just spend £ who the club take for granted.

The sooner we get our club back the better as it’s drifting aimlessly around right now.

That is criticising fans.

A lot of people just like going along to support their team and it forms part of the fabric of their lives. I enjoyed catching up with my mate yesterday who I hadn't seen for a while regardless of the result, so I'll still go to every game I can.

Some people are affected mentally more by Hibs more than others and that's ok. We could get relegated (again) but a lot of us will still buy our season ticket for various reasons.

[I'm Spartacus]

I suspect you’ve been lambasted for the unnecessary personal attacks on him.

Which your post is full of.

You have a list of his actions and their results the length of the Bayeux Tapestry that you can attack him for.

The rest of it is needless.

Ok, so the likes of his:

Inability to make the correct footballing decisions?
Inability to fully deal with the Block 7 shambles that's ruining our away support culture and safety, as well as the home game experience and our club reputation in general?
His ability to very quickly complan publically about away fans behaviour but actually does nothing?
His ability to hide behind the Gordons, the footballing reviews, the high number of managers and now Malky McKay?

BK is a shambles, we are a shambles.

[Alex Trager]

Ok, so the likes of his:

Inability to make the correct footballing decisions?
Inability to fully deal with the Block 7 shambles that's ruining our away support culture and safety, as well as the home game experience and our club reputation in general?
His ability to very quickly complan publically about away fans behaviour but actually does nothing?
His ability to hide behind the Gordons, the footballing reviews, the high number of managers and now Malky McKay?

BK is a shambles, we are a shambles.

Absolutely

[matty_f]

I've actually started contributing to HSL again for all the good it will do. Every little helps!

In all seriousness, we need to pressure Gordon into putting us up for sale. That's all we can realistically do.

They don't need to sell us, just take a step back from trying to run us, which they're patently unqualified to do.

I'm more than happy for them to keep the club to honour Ron if that's their wish, but they have an obligation to run it properly and now that it's very evident that we're going backwards fast, they need to be responsible enough to to stand back and let folk who are qualified in to do it

[Hibiza]

What will they be remembered for ? NOTHING !!. No programmes , electric charging points, vegetarian menus , suppose that in a way is memorable. GET A DECENT TEAM on the pitch !!!

[Hibiza]

Guaranteed, they'll be " feathering their nests " .

[Hibiza]

They're planning an exit . No cash for players , bk investment , being useless.

[HendoDelivered]

On a serious note, do we think there will be protests organised to get these clowns out the club?

[we are hibs]

On a serious note, do we think there will be protests organised to get these clowns out the club?No. As I said yesterday folk will vent for a few days on here and social media and by the end of the week it'll be "FFS move on, they're trying their hardest".

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[Pretty Boy]

On a serious note, do we think there will be protests organised to get these clowns out the club?

I'd be surprised in the short term.

If anything I think there will be the grim spectacle of people shouting for Gray's head before that pair are targeted in and around the ground (verbally not physically targeted obviously).

In my time supporting Hibs I can only really remember the original Hands on Hibs during and immediately after the season we were relegated in 1998 and a particularly poisonous night in Perth that saw some really vitriolic abuse aimed at the board (the fact we went on a 20 something game unbeaten run not long after probably negated the whole thing). A few years later there was the solitary Petrie Out protest.

I don't doubt people are angry about the situation but actively protesting doesn't seem something Hibs fans are prone to do in the way some other fanbases maybe are. There also still seems a decent number of people, albeit dwindling a bit, who think they are doing a very good job.

[marinello59]

On a serious note, do we think there will be protests organised to get these clowns out the club?

I hope to see the Gordon's dumping Kensell and getting somebody in who knows how to run a football club before we reach that stage. It's their toy, its' broken, it's on them to fix it. Time to be ruthless.

[TrinityHFC]

I hope to see the Gordon's dumping Kensell and getting somebody in who knows how to run a football club before we reach that stage. It's their toy, its' broken, it's on them to fix it. Time to be ruthless.

Didn’t we bring Mackay in to run the football side? Early days for him though but we’ve changed something in the way we operate so going after Kensell and Gordon (who we don’t know how involved he really is on anything) seems like we are just looking back again at previous mistakes rather than what we are doing now.

[blackpoolhibs]

They don't need to sell us, just take a step back from trying to run us, which they're patently unqualified to do.

I'm more than happy for them to keep the club to honour Ron if that's their wish, but they have an obligation to run it properly and now that it's very evident that we're going backwards fast, they need to be responsible enough to to stand back and let folk who are qualified in to do it

I dont get this, honour a man who started this mess with his meddling. Nobody wanted him to pass like he did, but he was instrumental in ripping the heart out the club when he first walked into it.

[matty_f]

I dont get this, honour a man who started this mess with his meddling. Nobody wanted him to pass like he did, but he was instrumental in ripping the heart out the club when he first walked into it.

I was meaning they would want to honour him.

[Tambo]

I can guarantee both Gordon and kensell can care less about Hibs, Ian should not be at our club and no idea what it would take for both to gtf.

[TelaStella]

Trust the process and Gordon junior set to appear at some panel talk session alongside McKay and Malcolm McPherson next month down in Manchester. The “Golden Quadrant of Leadership” ffs.

https://x.com/vsiexeced/status/1813530021312753943?s=46&t=9G3YCj8UK58wwryvdGg_-A


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[Hibiza]

No. As I said yesterday folk will vent for a few days on here and social media and by the end of the week it'll be "FFS move on, they're trying their hardest".

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Don't think so , fans are fed up to the teeth. In my case false teeth

[MWHIBBIES]

I dont get this, honour a man who started this mess with his meddling. Nobody wanted him to pass like he did, but he was instrumental in ripping the heart out the club when he first walked into it.

Correct.

[basehibby]

I just want to speak out and make clear I do NOT agree with the aim of this thread.

Yes - things are far from ideal in that we have not been very active in the transfer market and had a **** opening result in the league. However, I will be reserving my judgement until the end of August and the transfer window. If the squad has not been significantly strengthened by that point I'll reconsider. No point in causing unnecessary disruption and distraction in the interim though. Let them concentrate on bringing players in!

[Hibiza]

Ian Gordon ,Ben Kensell and Joe Newell have led me to bowling.

[HFC 0-7]

I just want to speak out and make clear I do NOT agree with the aim of this thread.

Yes - things are far from ideal in that we have not been very active in the transfer market and had a **** opening result in the league. However, I will be reserving my judgement until the end of August and the transfer window. If the squad has not been significantly strengthened by that point I'll reconsider. No point in causing unnecessary disruption and distraction in the interim though. Let them concentrate on bringing players in!

Positions in the league are usually the difference between a few points. Failure to be ready for the start of the season can easily be the difference between top 6 and bottom 6. Other teams seem to hit the ground running but we are always late to the party.

[Jock O]

I dont get this, honour a man who started this mess with his meddling. Nobody wanted him to pass like he did, but he was instrumental in ripping the heart out the club when he first walked into it.

I'm sorry but that's just nonsense. He set out to modernise the club and turn it into a much more efficient revenue generating modern football club, which is the only way we will ever get to this position we all seem to want, the challenging for 3rd consistently. I genuinely believe that Ron Gordon knew we would never do this without changing the heart of the club. And I agree.

Did he get it all right, definitely not, did he try to do certain things too fast, absolutely yes, and did he make mistakes in the setting up of the new structure, absolutely yes. But he definitively knew what he was trying to achieve, and like it or not, it probably means it won't be the type of club we now seem to currently cherish when all is going wrong. Without this change we won't succeed as he wanted to, and the BK's seem to want to, and what everyone bought into when Foley came along. Fact is we can't have it both ways, history proves the old "community based " club were never going close to being constant challengers at top. I think also to say RG had no interest in community is unfair too, but since he has gone I agree that seems to be very far in the background

People are now starting to be quite dismissive of the impact of his death on the club's success and his family, which is crazy to me and really quite disrespectful. Guy's like Ron Gordon, and Foley to be fair, are kind of unique in nature, and i have no doubt if he was still here he would be dealing with things very differently. However, we have just now got to the start of where he wanted to be, with the football side set up with football leadership, 5 years late probably but it is what is unless we change the owners. And despite peoples call to "sack" the owners I would be more worried about us just being sold on open market currently. That means the biggest challenge is will the current exec be able to turn it round like RG wanted to now? .Its a big ask, I suspect neither Ian or Kit have his drive experience and general will to win, but I do believe they want to do what he wanted, and deserve some respect for that. It does make it even more uncertain than it should be, particularly given the recent Foley outburst which I think was poorly timed but have no doubt it was very deliberately timed on Foley's part and he knew exactly what he was trying to achieve from that. That probably worries me about Foley already trying to "muscle" in. However till we understand the current finances and direction of club now we probably cannot completely assume he was all in the wrong.

So as a general happy clapper, and one who has predominately thought we need to give the exec some time in new structure, I will admit the current situation is probably now starting to trouble even me, I have no doubt Ben Kensell was IG's Rod Petrie, and an understandable comfort blanket for someone thrown into a big position way ahead of his expectation, but thats starting to get so toxic it is starting to stain IG. The trust the process tweet was just the latest misreading of the current situation from Kensell. . I am now even more worried than before that Kensell has lost all faith irretrievably, and where that would leave IG. If he just thinks he has had enough then we are actually way back, even further back than where we started post Farmer I believe.


It is a tricky time, and it is one its totally understandable fans getting really pissed, but we need to be real about the whole position also. We are at mercy of the Gordon's like it or not. I don't agree with the constant call for communications from IG/BK, that is just because of where we are, but I would be looking for a strong statement at AGM from one of them on structure, strategy and financial impact on current position, At that point we could surely be more clear. The biggest mistake seems to have been the issuing of ridiculously high contracts to get players in in previous seasons, we seem to be learning from that, so maybe we do need to trust the process, but I agree we need to know what the process is, at least in outline, first.

[Jock O]

Positions in the league are usually the difference between a few points. Failure to be ready for the start of the season can easily be the difference between top 6 and bottom 6. Other teams seem to hit the ground running but we are always late to the party.

Out of all the other SPL clubs, do you really think all have hit the ground running? Celtic and Rangers with huge budgets have brought virtually no-one in of higher standard. I have said before, like it or not, this is the position Scottish clubs are in, if we want Championship level players we either have to pay them more than they are worth or try and convince them to come due to the clubs attractions, Very few are going to jump before they assess their options. Look at the activity down South and how that has really kicked off this last week, we are a feeder off of that. Look at O'Riley, Miovski and even Youan, who look certain to move but are still haggling. I wonder if the clubs they are moving to will be moaning about the time it took, or just happy to get the quality they want.

The disparity between the Scottish and English leagues starting is the real killer here, once the English clubs pick up pace, the more in demand players get a better idea of where they might be in the system.

Interestingly this was something that Ron Gordon pointed out once but was shouted down as just making excuses. He got it spot on.

[blackpoolhibs]

I'm sorry but that's just nonsense. He set out to modernise the club and turn it into a much more efficient revenue generating modern football club, which is the only way we will ever get to this position we all seem to want, the challenging for 3rd consistently. I genuinely believe that Ron Gordon knew we would never do this without changing the heart of the club. And I agree.

By sacking folk who were the heart and soul of the club, and underming the manager by putting his son in as head of recruitment, he ripped the club apart when it needed funds and a clear head.

Did he get it all right, definitely not, did he try to do certain things too fast, absolutely yes, and did he make mistakes in the setting up of the new structure, absolutely yes.

But he definitively knew what he was trying to achieve,:faf:


and like it or not, it probably means it won't be the type of club we now seem to currently cherish when all is going wrong. Without this change we won't succeed as he wanted to, and the BK's seem to want to, and what everyone bought into when Foley came along. Fact is we can't have it both ways, history proves the old "community based " club were never going close to being constant challengers at top. I think also to say RG had no interest in community is unfair too, but since he has gone I agree that seems to be very far in the background

People are now starting to be quite dismissive of the impact of his death on the club's success and his family, which is crazy to me and really quite disrespectful.

Nonsence, dont play the victim card here, we were all distraught when we heard the news of his illness, i've never seen anything to the contrary. In fact i've even said myself that i liked him and loved what he said and admired his passion for the club, but i go on clear facts when making a judgement, and since the family came into the club, we've seen a steep decline in the FOOTBALL TEAM.

Guy's like Ron Gordon, and Foley to be fair, are kind of unique in nature, and i have no doubt if he was still here he would be dealing with things very differently. However, we have just now got to the start of where he wanted to be, with the football side set up with football leadership, 5 years late probably but it is what is unless we change the owners.
I hope we do change owners.

And despite peoples call to "sack" the owners I would be more worried about us just being sold on open market currently. That means the biggest challenge is will the current exec be able to turn it round like RG wanted to now? .Its a big ask, I suspect neither Ian or Kit have his drive experience and general will to win, but I do believe they want to do what he wanted,
We have no idea what he wanted other than what he said at the beginning, which he was spectaculary failing at

and deserve some respect for that. It does make it even more uncertain than it should be, particularly given the recent Foley outburst which I think was poorly timed but have no doubt it was very deliberately timed on Foley's part and he knew exactly what he was trying to achieve from that.
Did the outburst from Foley that was leaked to the press not come from Hibs?

That probably worries me about Foley already trying to "muscle" in. However till we understand the current finances and direction of club now we probably cannot completely assume he was all in the wrong.

Exactly

So as a general happy clapper, and one who has predominately thought we need to give the exec some time in new structure, I will admit the current situation is probably now starting to trouble even me, I have no doubt Ben Kensell was IG's Rod Petrie, and an understandable comfort blanket for someone thrown into a big position way ahead of his expectation, but thats starting to get so toxic it is starting to stain IG.

The trust the process tweet was just the latest misreading of the current situation from Kensell. . I am now even more worried than before that Kensell has lost all faith irretrievably, and where that would leave IG. If he just thinks he has had enough then we are actually way back, even further back than where we started post Farmer I believe.

No argument from me.
It is a tricky time, and it is one its totally understandable fans getting really pissed, but we need to be real about the whole position also. We are at mercy of the Gordon's like it or not.
Which is why we should try and pressure them as much as possible to get out the club.

I don't agree with the constant call for communications from IG/BK, that is just because of where we are, but I would be looking for a strong statement at AGM from one of them on structure, strategy and financial impact on current position, At that point we could surely be more clear. The biggest mistake seems to have been the issuing of ridiculously high contracts to get players in in previous seasons, we seem to be learning from that,
Who sanctioned most of these high contracts?

so maybe we do need to trust the process, but I agree we need to know what the process is, at least in outline, first.

Putting out fires, thats the process from those in charge.

[marinello59]

Putting out fires, thats the process from those in charge.

Fires they lit.

[matty_f]

I'm sorry but that's just nonsense. He set out to modernise the club and turn it into a much more efficient revenue generating modern football club, which is the only way we will ever get to this position we all seem to want, the challenging for 3rd consistently. I genuinely believe that Ron Gordon knew we would never do this without changing the heart of the club. And I agree.

Did he get it all right, definitely not, did he try to do certain things too fast, absolutely yes, and did he make mistakes in the setting up of the new structure, absolutely yes. But he definitively knew what he was trying to achieve, and like it or not, it probably means it won't be the type of club we now seem to currently cherish when all is going wrong. Without this change we won't succeed as he wanted to, and the BK's seem to want to, and what everyone bought into when Foley came along. Fact is we can't have it both ways, history proves the old "community based " club were never going close to being constant challengers at top. I think also to say RG had no interest in community is unfair too, but since he has gone I agree that seems to be very far in the background

People are now starting to be quite dismissive of the impact of his death on the club's success and his family, which is crazy to me and really quite disrespectful. Guy's like Ron Gordon, and Foley to be fair, are kind of unique in nature, and i have no doubt if he was still here he would be dealing with things very differently. However, we have just now got to the start of where he wanted to be, with the football side set up with football leadership, 5 years late probably but it is what is unless we change the owners. And despite peoples call to "sack" the owners I would be more worried about us just being sold on open market currently. That means the biggest challenge is will the current exec be able to turn it round like RG wanted to now? .Its a big ask, I suspect neither Ian or Kit have his drive experience and general will to win, but I do believe they want to do what he wanted, and deserve some respect for that. It does make it even more uncertain than it should be, particularly given the recent Foley outburst which I think was poorly timed but have no doubt it was very deliberately timed on Foley's part and he knew exactly what he was trying to achieve from that. That probably worries me about Foley already trying to "muscle" in. However till we understand the current finances and direction of club now we probably cannot completely assume he was all in the wrong.

So as a general happy clapper, and one who has predominately thought we need to give the exec some time in new structure, I will admit the current situation is probably now starting to trouble even me, I have no doubt Ben Kensell was IG's Rod Petrie, and an understandable comfort blanket for someone thrown into a big position way ahead of his expectation, but thats starting to get so toxic it is starting to stain IG. The trust the process tweet was just the latest misreading of the current situation from Kensell. . I am now even more worried than before that Kensell has lost all faith irretrievably, and where that would leave IG. If he just thinks he has had enough then we are actually way back, even further back than where we started post Farmer I believe.


It is a tricky time, and it is one its totally understandable fans getting really pissed, but we need to be real about the whole position also. We are at mercy of the Gordon's like it or not. I don't agree with the constant call for communications from IG/BK, that is just because of where we are, but I would be looking for a strong statement at AGM from one of them on structure, strategy and financial impact on current position, At that point we could surely be more clear. The biggest mistake seems to have been the issuing of ridiculously high contracts to get players in in previous seasons, we seem to be learning from that, so maybe we do need to trust the process, but I agree we need to know what the process is, at least in outline, first.

Excellent post. I agree with an awful lot of that, need to bear in mind that Ron’s plans were significantly impacted by Covid as well.

The lack of experience at the very top, with not only a strategic mind in charge but the experience of putting that strategy into practice is absolutely killing us.

It’s why I trust the BKFC to deliver at least what they say they will; they have people in key positions who have been successful in delivering strategy and they have a template to do well. That’s not to say we couldn’t be sceptical or cynical, but these are ridiculously successful folk.

The guy we’ve got supporting Kensell, Ian Gordon - or it might be vice versa - wouldn’t get past the very first sift of CVs if he was applying for his job as anyone other than the majority shareholder’s son.

Just now their answer seems to throw good money after bad, which isn’t sustainable.

The best thing they could do is hand the running of the club over to someone with the skills and experience to deliver.

[matty_f]

Should add that Blackpool makes some good points as well, the placing of Ian Gordon as Head of Recruitment as an astonishingly bad decision.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Not really commented on this, as I try to stay out of transfer window debates until it’s actually closed, but wanted to ask, would Bowie ,Mccowan, Wolves trialist and the ever looming potential arrival of Bevan appease? Given we were advised it would be minimal changes this window we would have done some pretty good business IMO.

Hoping there can be some kind of unity between the fans and board going forward as the division helps no one, especially the team.

[matty_f]

Not really commented on this, as I try to stay out of transfer window debates until it’s actually closed, but wanted to ask, would Bowie ,Mccowan, Wolves trialist and the ever looming potential arrival of Bevan appease? Given we were advised it would be minimal changes this window we would have done some pretty good business IMO.

Hoping there can be some kind of unity between the fans and board going forward as the division helps no one, especially the team.

I think we need to see how they get on. There has been plenty of back slapping about transfer business over the last few years - you only have to look at how happy everyone was with the business done in January, and we got worse.

I’m not writing anyone off, but I’m also not about to lavish praise on the board for doing what has obviously been needed until we see if they’ve actually addressed the issues, or indeed added to them.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

I think we need to see how they get on. There has been plenty of back slapping about transfer business over the last few years - you only have to look at how happy everyone was with the business done in January, and we got worse.

I’m not writing anyone off, but I’m also not about to lavish praise on the board for doing what has obviously been needed until we see if they’ve actually addressed the issues, or indeed added to them.

I remember the post Jan window podcasts. 😁

Toxic atmosphere around our club just now. Not an ideal position for new signings, with new defenders, midfielders, wingers and forwards lol. Never mind a new manager.

I hope some of us can calm the jets and get behind the team. We will lose loads more games this season, the default position of Sack the board/CEO/Manager after every one is dragging us down. Mon the Hibs

[One Day Soon]

I remember the post Jan window podcasts. 😁

Toxic atmosphere around our club just now. Not an ideal position for new signings, with new defenders, midfielders, wingers and forwards lol. Never mind a new manager.

I hope some of us can calm the jets and get behind the team. We will lose loads more games this season, the default position of Sack the board/CEO/Manager after every one is dragging us down. Mon the Hibs

No, what's dragging us down is the spectacular mishandling of the football side over years leaving us with a mediocre and vastly over expensive squad.

[CL0762]

Should add that Blackpool makes some good points as well, the placing of Ian Gordon as Head of Recruitment as an astonishingly bad decision.

Mind though Matty, we sat on a call with the other pods April 2022 after we’d sacked Maloney and Ron explicitly said it was nonsense about Ian having that job title.

Then it was quietly put on the club directory, then it was taken away.

It’s been an absolute **** show ever since Ian got anywhere near the footballing operations.

I spoke in quite detail about what he was really involved in at the time and was shouted down yet here we are, over 2 years later and still Ian’s got his paws all over recruitment because it’s his “passion”.

His ****ing “passion”.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

No, what's dragging us down is the spectacular mishandling of the football side over years leaving us with a mediocre and vastly over expensive squad.

The two can co-exist

[matty_f]

Mind though Matty, we sat on a call with the other pods April 2022 after we’d sacked Maloney and Ron explicitly said it was nonsense about Ian having that job title.

Then it was quietly put on the club directory, then it was taken away.

It’s been an absolute **** show ever since Ian got anywhere near the footballing operations.

I spoke in quite detail about what he was really involved in at the time and was shouted down yet here we are, over 2 years later and still Ian’s got his paws all over recruitment because it’s his “passion”.

His ****ing “passion”.
First question we asked was about the competence of the people in charge of recruitment. :agree:

This, above everything else at the moment, is the thing that’s gives me most concern about where the club is headed. I love Hibs, have been in senior management positions but wouldn’t fancy my chances of making a good tilt at running the club, I’ve watched football for 40 years and wouldn’t fancy my chances of being successful as head of recruitment at a top flight club.

I’m confident I’d get laughed out the building if I applied for a recruitment job at Hibs or a role “learning off the Club’s CEO to understand the difference facets involved in running a Football Club.” (From Hibs’ website) - the implication there is that he’s getting ready to take over when Ben goes.

That’s just folly, arrogance, and negligence.

[matty_f]

I remember the post Jan window podcasts. 😁

Toxic atmosphere around our club just now. Not an ideal position for new signings, with new defenders, midfielders, wingers and forwards lol. Never mind a new manager.

I hope some of us can calm the jets and get behind the team. We will lose loads more games this season, the default position of Sack the board/CEO/Manager after every one is dragging us down. Mon the Hibs

I reserve the right to get irrationally carried away week to week. 😂

[MagicSwirlingShip]

I reserve the right to get irrationally carried away week to week. 😂

😂😂 love it. Nothing rational about being a Hibs fan. Would never change it though

[TrinityHFC]

First question we asked was about the competence of the people in charge of recruitment. :agree:

This, above everything else at the moment, is the thing that’s gives me most concern about where the club is headed. I love Hibs, have been in senior management positions but wouldn’t fancy my chances of making a good tilt at running the club, I’ve watched football for 40 years and wouldn’t fancy my chances of being successful as head of recruitment at a top flight club.

I’m confident I’d get laughed out the building if I applied for a recruitment job at Hibs or a role “learning off the Club’s CEO to understand the difference facets involved in running a Football Club.” (From Hibs’ website) - the implication there is that he’s getting ready to take over when Ben goes.

That’s just folly, arrogance, and negligence.

What sort of backgrounds to people in scouting and recruitment actually have? Should being part of a family that owns a football club mean you can’t be qualified?

Scouting and recruitment are largely about accessing stats and data then getting deals done. I’m not convinced Ian Gordon has been out there identifying players from scratch. I’m also not clear what role people think he plays now. A bit like the Petrie has no football knowledge chat. At what point is he actually very experienced?

[Ship of Hope]

Some people do seem to take way too much pleasure from booing the team. Everyone wants the team to win but all the negativity is what really makes match days a chore. I go with my son and want him to fall in love with the club. The constant booing really ruins this, way more than losing games. Learning how to deal with adversity is an important life lesson.

FWIW, on paper I think the recruitment this window has been good particularly if the last few rumours come to fruition - i couldn’t care less who is in charge. They feel more like Malky / SDG signings to me. Maybe time to change the narrative and ditch the negativity, support the team and not spit out the dummy every time we lose.

[marinello59]

Some people do seem to take way too much pleasure from booing the team. Everyone wants the team to win but all the negativity is what really makes match days a chore. I go with my son and want him to fall in love with the club. The constant booing really ruins this, way more than losing games. Learning how to deal with adversity is an important life lesson.

FWIW, on paper I think the recruitment this window has been good particularly if the last few rumours come to fruition - i couldn’t care less who is in charge. They feel more like Malky / SDG signings to me. Maybe time to change the narrative and ditch the negativity, support the team and not spit out the dummy every time we lose.

Constant booing? I’ve been going for longer than most here and that’s not really a thing.

[Silky]

Constant booing? I’ve been going for longer than most here and that’s not really a thing.

Maybe not constant, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he's wrong.

[Ship of Hope]

Constant booing? I’ve been going for longer than most here and that’s not really a thing.

you couldn’t have been going last season 😂 booing at half time was common if we were losing and full time was the norm every time we lost. Spoiled the day out imo

[B.H.F.C]

Constant booing? I’ve been going for longer than most here and that’s not really a thing.

you couldn’t have been going last season 😂 booing at half time was common if we were losing and full time was the norm every time we lost. Spoiled the day out imo

I think what happened in the 45 minutes prior to the half time booing (which was fairly routine) probably spoiled the day more for most. Similar to the second 45 minutes on Sunday.

[matty_f]

What sort of backgrounds to people in scouting and recruitment actually have? Should being part of a family that owns a football club mean you can’t be qualified?

Scouting and recruitment are largely about accessing stats and data then getting deals done. I’m not convinced Ian Gordon has been out there identifying players from scratch. I’m also not clear what role people think he plays now. A bit like the Petrie has no football knowledge chat. At what point is he actually very experienced?

It will vary as to what extent their involvement in recruitment is and I think our problem very much is that people have approached it as accessing stats and data and trying deals done. You could teach virtually anyone how to access data, telling from that data if you’re signing a good player takes experience and judgement.

I could do a year long course on player identification and I would fancy that most good coaches in the professional game would be able to tell a player better than me nine times out of ten.

Everyone’s got access to stats and data, the skill is having competent folk who know if the pass completion rate reflects passed that will change a game, or of the number of box entries were productive and so on.

What I can say, is that our recruitment since his appointment as Head of Recruitment has been an expensive mess for far too long.

As for experience, he’s experienced a few years of not making particularly good decisions at Hibs and the result is the team that we all love stumbles from one mess to the next.

[Big_Franck]

Not really commented on this, as I try to stay out of transfer window debates until it’s actually closed, but wanted to ask, would Bowie ,Mccowan, Wolves trialist and the ever looming potential arrival of Bevan appease? Given we were advised it would be minimal changes this window we would have done some pretty good business IMO.

Hoping there can be some kind of unity between the fans and board going forward as the division helps no one, especially the team.

When did the club say it would be minimal changes this summer? Given how bad we were last year (again) and the apparently game changing investment, I certainly wasn't expecting minimal changes to an absolutely dire squad.

Hopefully we can add Bowie today.

[Gloucester Hibs]

To me it seems the 2 parties are too close. It shouldn’t be inconceivable that the Gordon’s could relieve Kensell of his duties for poor performance but I can’t see this ever happening. They are absolutely reliant on him. The only way I can ever see BK departing is a change in ownership if he leaves under his own steam (e.g. he gets a better offer down South).

[blackpoolhibs]

Mind though Matty, we sat on a call with the other pods April 2022 after we’d sacked Maloney and Ron explicitly said it was nonsense about Ian having that job title.

Then it was quietly put on the club directory, then it was taken away.

It’s been an absolute **** show ever since Ian got anywhere near the footballing operations.

I spoke in quite detail about what he was really involved in at the time and was shouted down yet here we are, over 2 years later and still Ian’s got his paws all over recruitment because it’s his “passion”.

His ****ing “passion”.

Exactly, and this was all started under Ron's watch.

AGAIN i'm sad that he's no longer here, but i'm not about to start rewriting history on what he did to our club and what still continues to this day.

And if this was his plan and they are doing it to honour him, then they are wrong and need chased out the building asap.

[worcesterhibby]

As long as it’s Gray and MM who are choosing who to sign, I have no issue if Kensall or Gordon are involved in the negotiations to sign them. Someone who is good at identifying a player, is not necessarily then good at financial negotiations. The number of new sponsors and partners Hibs have, would suggest that Kensall IS good at negotiations.

equally I have no issue if Ian Gordon, has a say over how much we spend in the transfer market.. he owns the club after all. I don’t even care if he still makes signing suggestions, or has an opinion, as long as the final signing decision sits with DG and MM.

if the club can confirm that SDG and MM choose the players and BK and IG negotiate the deals.. I’m happy. That’s the right split of their respective skills.

[Trinity Hibee]

Mind though Matty, we sat on a call with the other pods April 2022 after we’d sacked Maloney and Ron explicitly said it was nonsense about Ian having that job title.

Then it was quietly put on the club directory, then it was taken away.

It’s been an absolute **** show ever since Ian got anywhere near the footballing operations.

I spoke in quite detail about what he was really involved in at the time and was shouted down yet here we are, over 2 years later and still Ian’s got his paws all over recruitment because it’s his “passion”.

His ****ing “passion”.

Has Michael Stewart not recently said that he has been told IG is still involving himself in recruitment? So this is from people within the game with excellent contacts at Hibs.

[Rumble de Thump]

First question we asked was about the competence of the people in charge of recruitment. :agree:

This, above everything else at the moment, is the thing that’s gives me most concern about where the club is headed. I love Hibs, have been in senior management positions but wouldn’t fancy my chances of making a good tilt at running the club, I’ve watched football for 40 years and wouldn’t fancy my chances of being successful as head of recruitment at a top flight club.

I’m confident I’d get laughed out the building if I applied for a recruitment job at Hibs or a role “learning off the Club’s CEO to understand the difference facets involved in running a Football Club.” (From Hibs’ website) - the implication there is that he’s getting ready to take over when Ben goes.

That’s just folly, arrogance, and negligence.

If you were the owner of the club and weren't “learning off the Club’s CEO to understand the different facets involved in running a Football Club” it would be very worrying. The reality is that his dad was the owner and now he is. There continues to be a lot of misinformation spouted by people regarding Ian Gordon's involvement in the club, particularly regarding recruitment.

[we are hibs]

If you were the owner of the club and weren't “learning off the Club’s CEO to understand the different facets involved in running a Football Club” it would be very worrying. The reality is that his dad was the owner and now he is. There continues to be a lot of misinformation spouted by people regarding Ian Gordon's involvement in the club, particularly regarding recruitment.How about you tell everyone then seeing as you seem to know?

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[MWHIBBIES]

If you were the owner of the club and weren't “learning off the Club’s CEO to understand the different facets involved in running a Football Club” it would be very worrying. The reality is that his dad was the owner and now he is. There continues to be a lot of misinformation spouted by people regarding Ian Gordon's involvement in the club, particularly regarding recruitment.

That's mainly because Ian Gordon never comes out and says anything. And neither does Kensell. And we continue to be dreadful on the pitch. And recruitment has been shambolic this summer. 5 games into the season before we actually started making real moves. It's potential cost us big time already.

[matty_f]

If you were the owner of the club and weren't “learning off the Club’s CEO to understand the different facets involved in running a Football Club” it would be very worrying. The reality is that his dad was the owner and now he is. There continues to be a lot of misinformation spouted by people regarding Ian Gordon's involvement in the club, particularly regarding recruitment.

Specifically what is his involvement in recruitment at the club, and how do you know that?

I wouldn’t be worried if he wasn’t learning off the CEO, I would be happy that he realised he wasn’t qualified to do the job and was going to bring someone in who could.

[He's here!]

On a serious note, do we think there will be protests organised to get these clowns out the club?

No. It would take the club's actual existence being under threat for any sort of significant action and even then it would be more about potential buyers coming forward than mass fan protests.

Things have moved on since the Mercer takeover days and people tend to have a rant on social media etc rather than take part in any sort of physical/communal action.

Bottom line is we're actually quite a passive support and the club continuing to under-deliver just makes fans apathetic rather than angry. Speaking personally my response to the ongoing decline is just to not bother going to games and I think sub-10k crowds will simply become the norm as we rattle around near the foot of the table.

Everything about the club just feels flat, as though any passion or energy has been sucked out of it. Who is actually excited by any of the signings we're making? Another batch of middling players doesn't feel like it's going to move the dial any.

We're all really just waiting it out, hoping that somehow things will look up.

[Pagan Hibernia]

To me it seems the 2 parties are too close. It shouldn’t be inconceivable that the Gordon’s could relieve Kensell of his duties for poor performance but I can’t see this ever happening. They are absolutely reliant on him. The only way I can ever see BK departing is a change in ownership if he leaves under his own steam (e.g. he gets a better offer down South).

Exactly. And who in their right mind, down south or anywhere else, would give him a better offer after the mess he's made here?

[chrisski33]

Exactly, and this was all started under Ron's watch.

AGAIN i'm sad that he's no longer here, but i'm not about to start rewriting history on what he did to our club and what still continues to this day.

And if this was his plan and they are doing it to honour him, then they are wrong and need chased out the building asap.

I actually think if Ron was still here he would hear what the fans are saying and get rid of Kensell. The Gordons dont seem to be listening as such but i think they could inform fans more what their plan or what "the process" is

[Northernhibee]

It’s worth keeping in mind “increasing revenue” isn’t a plan, it’s an aspiration. I don’t think Ron Gordon did a good job here overall but I kind of got the plan and what the next steps were once we’d raised that money.

Does anyone know what the plan is with our revenue? First it was a development team then it wasn’t, then it was Brian McDermott then it wasn’t, then it was bringing in a manager who had a very set style of play and needed most of a new squad to make it work and we didn’t give him it IMO, and now we have SDG and Malky Mackay. Looks like we might have snapped out of it and started to back him better than the last managers, but is that the plan going forward that we will stick to through tough times?

[MagicSwirlingShip]

It’s worth keeping in mind “increasing revenue” isn’t a plan, it’s an aspiration. I don’t think Ron Gordon did a good job here overall but I kind of got the plan and what the next steps were once we’d raised that money.

Does anyone know what the plan is with our revenue? First it was a development team then it wasn’t, then it was Brian McDermott then it wasn’t, then it was bringing in a manager who had a very set style of play and needed most of a new squad to make it work and we didn’t give him it IMO, and now we have SDG and Malky Mackay. Looks like we might have snapped out of it and started to back him better than the last managers, but is that the plan going forward that we will stick to through tough times?

I’d say the success of the redeveloped Hospitality in the West is a clear plan to increase revenue.

[Hibernian Verse]

It’s worth keeping in mind “increasing revenue” isn’t a plan, it’s an aspiration. I don’t think Ron Gordon did a good job here overall but I kind of got the plan and what the next steps were once we’d raised that money.

Does anyone know what the plan is with our revenue? First it was a development team then it wasn’t, then it was Brian McDermott then it wasn’t, then it was bringing in a manager who had a very set style of play and needed most of a new squad to make it work and we didn’t give him it IMO, and now we have SDG and Malky Mackay. Looks like we might have snapped out of it and started to back him better than the last managers, but is that the plan going forward that we will stick to through tough times?

You have to have a plan in place to forecast and realise increasing revenue.

[JimBHibees]

I actually think if Ron was still here he would hear what the fans are saying and get rid of Kensell. The Gordons dont seem to be listening as such but i think they could inform fans more what their plan or what "the process" is

Maybe he would think he was doing a good job

[blackpoolhibs]

I actually think if Ron was still here he would hear what the fans are saying and get rid of Kensell. The Gordons dont seem to be listening as such but i think they could inform fans more what their plan or what "the process" is

I don't, he dismissed the fans over HSL, and also had pop at them earlier in his tenure when he was criticised. He also said he didn't get what our Moto was, as it was more about failure than success. Came across as a lovely man, but clueless about football and running a successful club.

[Not In The Know]

I don't, he dismissed the fans over HSL, and also had pop at them earlier in his tenure when he was criticised. He also said he didn't get what our Moto was, as it was more about failure than success. Came across as a lovely man, but clueless about football and running a successful club.

He was smarter than average, he certainly wouldn’t keep making the same mistakes.

[blackpoolhibs]

He was smarter than average, he certainly wouldn’t keep making the same mistakes.
We will never know.

[Unseen work]

I don't, he dismissed the fans over HSL, and also had pop at them earlier in his tenure when he was criticised. He also said he didn't get what our Moto was, as it was more about failure than success. Came across as a lovely man, but clueless about football and running a successful club.

In fairness I get what he was trying to say about persevere

Was it not he was wanting it to change as he wanted us to be a club that no longer has to persevere through hard times as it will be more successful by better league finishes, more cup wins etc

I don’t think he meant it in a malicious way

[Centre Hawf]

In fairness I get what he was trying to say about persevere

Was it not he was wanting it to change as he wanted us to be a club that no longer has to persevere through hard times as it will be more successful by better league finishes, more cup wins etc

I don’t think he meant it in a malicious way

This is how I seen it too, no malice meant. I just think he was a bit in the dark about its wider meaning to Leith and a Hibs support that lets be honest has had to really live by that motto.

I do genuinely take a lot from the motto in my life and I think its overall fit with us all was summed it perfectly in 2016.

[The Harp Awakes]

This is how I seen it too, no malice meant. I just think he was a bit in the dark about its wider meaning to Leith and a Hibs support that lets be honest has had to really live by that motto.

I do genuinely take a lot from the motto in my life and I think its overall fit with us all was summed it perfectly in 2016.

When was Hibernian's motto adopted as Persevere? I grew up in the 70s thinking our motto was 'Erin go Bragh' and see that displayed amongst the Hibs supporters much more prominently today :confused:

[mcohibs]

people tend to have a rant on social media etc rather than take part in any sort of physical/communal action.



The news these days would suggest otherwise 😬

[Rob]

I don't, he dismissed the fans over HSL, and also had pop at them earlier in his tenure when he was criticised. He also said he didn't get what our Moto was, as it was more about failure than success. Came across as a lovely man, but clueless about football and running a successful club.
You're right. He may have bought us with the best of intentions, and clearly he improved things off field in terms of revenue generation, but not only was he clueless about football in general, he had no idea of the concept of a football club in Scotland versus one in the USA, where they operate on a franchise system.

I was watching that zoom call when he came out and said he didn't like that our motto was Persevere, and went on to denigrate the notion of perseverance. I was disappointed that nobody who was actually on that call pointed out to him that Persevere was actually the motto of Leith, our spiritual home, and also point out that his interpretation of what persevere meant was totally wrong.

[WestStandWillie]

You remove Ian Gordon from meddling and I think the Gordons walk away. Is that a good thing? Foley's not going to buy us outright.

The first port of call is getting rid of Sunbed Sid. Complete diddy of a man.

Mackay should have enough about him to keep IG at bay.

[Jones28]

You remove Ian Gordon from meddling and I think the Gordons walk away. Is that a good thing? Foley's not going to buy us outright.

The first port of call is getting rid of Sunbed Sid. Complete diddy of a man.

Mackay should have enough about him to keep IG at bay.

The Gordons will not just walk away. They care about the club, even if they're going about things in the wrong way.

I'd be pleased if Kensall was to walk away but who do they appoint in his place?

Leeann Dempster oversaw the rebuilding of a club on its knees, is there another person in a similar position who we could bring in? We need Dempster 2.0 to come in and oversee all aspects of the club.

[Brightside]

The Gordons will not just walk away. They care about the club, even if they're going about things in the wrong way.

I'd be pleased if Kensall was to walk away but who do they appoint in his place?

Leeann Dempster oversaw the rebuilding of a club on its knees, is there another person in a similar position who we could bring in? We need Dempster 2.0 to come in and oversee all aspects of the club.

Leeann did some great stuff at Hibs but the commercial side of the club was shambolic when she left, and the ongoing development of the infra was also very poor. The addition of the Sporting Director SHOULD fix the on field stuff. But we 100% need the commercials in order to pay for that team.

[Jones28]

Leeann did some great stuff at Hibs but the commercial side of the club was shambolic when she left, and the ongoing development of the infra was also very poor. The addition of the Sporting Director SHOULD fix the on field stuff. But we 100% need the commercials in order to pay for that team.

Absolutely agree, which is why I think Kensall is not as black and white as it seems.

If McKay has been given TOTAL control over transfers then I think Kensall heading up the commercial side is a good deal.

LD was undoubtedly the community spirited person who drove that element of the club being at the heart of things and we are still doing that stuff. That was great, but that was at the detriment of commercial stuff which increases budgets for players.

[Brightside]

Absolutely agree, which is why I think Kensall is not as black and white as it seems.

If McKay has been given TOTAL control over transfers then I think Kensall heading up the commercial side is a good deal.

LD was undoubtedly the community spirited person who drove that element of the club being at the heart of things and we are still doing that stuff. That was great, but that was at the detriment of commercial stuff which increases budgets for players.

Totally agree. That all makes sense.

[matty_f]

Absolutely agree, which is why I think Kensall is not as black and white as it seems.

If McKay has been given TOTAL control over transfers then I think Kensall heading up the commercial side is a good deal.

LD was undoubtedly the community spirited person who drove that element of the club being at the heart of things and we are still doing that stuff. That was great, but that was at the detriment of commercial stuff which increases budgets for players.

I agree with this, our issue has been (continues to be?) people making decisions in areas that they’re not suitably skilled to make decisions in.

Malky should be on the hook for the football decisions with Ben being ultimately responsible for them, so if Malky fails then it falls on Ben to address that with him.

They should work together to make sure that Malky’s work absolutely lines up with the strategy that Ben has put past the board so you don’t have, for example, Malky running recruitment completely independently when the strategy is to lean on the group (not saying that happens, just using it as an example), or isn’t hiring a certain profile of player when the strategy is to go after a different profile.

If we have that set up, with Ian and Ben being clear that the work happening “beneath” them aligns to the strategy then they don’t need to do much more than act as a check and challenge on the folk who should be trusted and skilled enough to manage what they’re responsible for.

[Bushwoof]

So, in the recent past we've:
Relaid the pitch
Completely upgraded hospitality
Introduced safe standing
Fixed the turnstiles
Brought in a DoF
Replaced a goalie and 2 (legendary) defenders that the general consensus said were past it
Brought in a top striker of a quality rarely seen at ER (Maolida) and replaced him with a striker everyone wanted to see back at ER (big Myk)
Signed some other players and cleared out a large number of underperforming ones
Lost badly to St Mirren.

Obviously the last of those cancels out all the rest. The board must go. They've killed the club.

[Hibbyradge]

So, in the recent past we've:
Relaid the pitch
Completely upgraded hospitality
Introduced safe standing
Fixed the turnstiles
Brought in a DoF
Replaced a goalie and 2 (legendary) defenders that the general consensus said were past it
Brought in a top striker of a quality rarely seen at ER (Maolida) and replaced him with a striker everyone wanted to see back at ER (big Myk)
Signed some other players and cleared out a large number of underperforming ones
Lost badly to St Mirren.

Obviously the last of those cancels out all the rest. The board must go. They've killed the club.

Stop!

All that'll happen now is people will double down on their assertions, further cementing them, and we'll have to read all the same rubbish again.

Once a person commits to a view in writing on social media, it takes a lot for them to change it, they often won't, even in the face of strong evidence and facts.

Being wrong on the internet is just not a possibility.

[percy veer]

When was Hibernian's motto adopted as Persevere? I grew up in the 70s thinking our motto was 'Erin go Bragh' and see that displayed amongst the Hibs supporters much more prominently today :confused:


i thought it was just after the cup final

[Hibbyradge]

i thought it was just after the cup final

Would it not have been when the current badge was adopted?

[Golden Bear]

So, in the recent past we've:
Relaid the pitch
Completely upgraded hospitality
Introduced safe standing
Fixed the turnstiles
Brought in a DoF
Replaced a goalie and 2 (legendary) defenders that the general consensus said were past it
Brought in a top striker of a quality rarely seen at ER (Maolida) and replaced him with a striker everyone wanted to see back at ER (big Myk)
Signed some other players and cleared out a large number of underperforming ones
Lost badly to St Mirren.

Obviously the last of those cancels out all the rest. The board must go. They've killed the club.

Great post. Thank you.

[keep the faith]

So, in the recent past we've:
Relaid the pitch
Completely upgraded hospitality
Introduced safe standing
Fixed the turnstiles
Brought in a DoF
Replaced a goalie and 2 (legendary) defenders that the general consensus said were past it
Brought in a top striker of a quality rarely seen at ER (Maolida) and replaced him with a striker everyone wanted to see back at ER (big Myk)
Signed some other players and cleared out a large number of underperforming ones
Lost badly to St Mirren.

Obviously the last of those cancels out all the rest. The board must go. They've killed the club.

You speak for lots of us!

[Chorley Hibee]

So, in the recent past we've:
Relaid the pitch
Completely upgraded hospitality
Introduced safe standing
Fixed the turnstiles
Brought in a DoF
Replaced a goalie and 2 (legendary) defenders that the general consensus said were past it
Brought in a top striker of a quality rarely seen at ER (Maolida) and replaced him with a striker everyone wanted to see back at ER (big Myk)
Signed some other players and cleared out a large number of underperforming ones
Lost badly to St Mirren.

Obviously the last of those cancels out all the rest. The board must go. They've killed the club.

So the only disappointment in the recent past of the tenure of the Gordon family was last weekend's result?

Okay then.

[percy veer]

Would it not have been when the current badge was adopted?


good point

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Persevere is the motto of Leith.

The first time I’d seen it used by Hibs was on the “Persevered” T-shirts after 21/05/16.

The badge was designed by a bloke a few years up from me and school and didn’t include Persevere at all

[Hibbyradge]

Persevere is the motto of Leith.

The first time I’d seen it used by Hibs was on the “Persevered” T-shirts after 21/05/16.

The badge was designed by a bloke a few years up from me and school and didn’t include Persevere at all

No, but it included the Leith Ship.

[matty_f]

So, in the recent past we've:
Relaid the pitch
Completely upgraded hospitality
Introduced safe standing
Fixed the turnstiles
Brought in a DoF
Replaced a goalie and 2 (legendary) defenders that the general consensus said were past it
Brought in a top striker of a quality rarely seen at ER (Maolida) and replaced him with a striker everyone wanted to see back at ER (big Myk)
Signed some other players and cleared out a large number of underperforming ones
Lost badly to St Mirren.

Obviously the last of those cancels out all the rest. The board must go. They've killed the club.
A very comprehensive view of what’s happened in the last few years.

[He's here!]

So, in the recent past we've:
Relaid the pitch
Completely upgraded hospitality
Introduced safe standing
Fixed the turnstiles
Brought in a DoF
Replaced a goalie and 2 (legendary) defenders that the general consensus said were past it
Brought in a top striker of a quality rarely seen at ER (Maolida) and replaced him with a striker everyone wanted to see back at ER (big Myk)
Signed some other players and cleared out a large number of underperforming ones
Lost badly to St Mirren.

Obviously the last of those cancels out all the rest. The board must go. They've killed the club.

The on-pitch performances/results during that time have, in the main, been deeply underwhelming, often pathetic. The very occasional good performance seems to form no part of a consistent uplift in form, our cup record has taken a nosedive, our derby record has regressed to embarrassing levels and we've spent a lot of money on players who simply haven't been anywhere near good enough. Oh, and we're on our fifth manager in 3 years. The direction of travel remains at best unclear, at worst steadily downward (ie the Championship).

[The Modfather]

So, in the recent past we've:
Relaid the pitch
Completely upgraded hospitality
Introduced safe standing
Fixed the turnstiles
Brought in a DoF
Replaced a goalie and 2 (legendary) defenders that the general consensus said were past it
Brought in a top striker of a quality rarely seen at ER (Maolida) and replaced him with a striker everyone wanted to see back at ER (big Myk)
Signed some other players and cleared out a large number of underperforming ones
Lost badly to St Mirren.

Obviously the last of those cancels out all the rest. The board must go. They've killed the club.

It would have been a more balanced post if amongst your list you mentioned, the likes of rolling back on the B team, Brian McDermot, another review and restructure this summer, two 8th place finishes in 3 years, league cup group stage exit, woeful recruitment etc. Listing the good and the bad.

Instead you omitted most of the bad and implied the unrest is on the back of a soul defeat to St Mirren. Not particularly constructive IMO.

[Centre Hawf]

When was Hibernian's motto adopted as Persevere? I grew up in the 70s thinking our motto was 'Erin go Bragh' and see that displayed amongst the Hibs supporters much more prominently today :confused:

I'm not hugely sure when perhaps any change over occurred and while I grew up seeing Erin go Bragh a lot I also grew up in Leith and went to the high school and always known the motto of Leith and School to be 'Persevere' (after the Leith Fisherman's Prayer which is currently on the West Stand) which then must have just filtered into the club through that Leith connection. But I would be lying if I said when any first use of it in a Hibs context was.

I think there's space for both in our heritage but I must say Persevere probably now resonates with people more than Erin go Bragh.

[Trinity Hibee]

It would have been a more balanced post if amongst your list you mentioned, the likes of rolling back on the B team, Brian McDermot, another review and restructure this summer, two 8th place finishes in 3 years, league cup group stage exit, woeful recruitment etc. Listing the good and the bad.

Instead you omitted most of the bad and implied the unrest is on the back of a soul defeat to St Mirren. Not particularly constructive IMO.

2 8th places in 3 years is ****ing pathetic

[Since452]

2 8th places in 3 years is ****ing pathetic

It's tragic. That's the only review you need.

[Northernhibee]

It would have been a more balanced post if amongst your list you mentioned, the likes of rolling back on the B team, Brian McDermot, another review and restructure this summer, two 8th place finishes in 3 years, league cup group stage exit, woeful recruitment etc. Listing the good and the bad.

Instead you omitted most of the bad and implied the unrest is on the back of a soul defeat to St Mirren. Not particularly constructive IMO.

Plus twice in three seasons we’ve twice sacked a manager.

Quite genuinely I’ll be dishing out “well done” when we’re regularly competing for third and making frequent Hampden appearances., plus the behaviour of a certain group of fans at away games is sorted. That’s where we were before we sacked Jack Ross so that’s extremely generous to reward treading water after the time and money spent.

[matty_f]

Plus twice in three seasons we’ve twice sacked a manager.

Quite genuinely I’ll be dishing out “well done” when we’re regularly competing for third and making frequent Hampden appearances., plus the behaviour of a certain group of fans at away games is sorted. That’s where we were before we sacked Jack Ross so that’s extremely generous to reward treading water after the time and money spent.

I do think it’s reasonable to recognise that it looks, on the face of it, like Malky has been able to bring in some good players, backed by Ben and Ian so I’m not adverse to giving credit where it’s due.

I do think that we won’t know whether it’s been a good window or not for a while yet, though. Lots of well dones were dished out in January for a window that saw us slump to eighth, and last summer where we l didn’t win a league game until after a manager was sacked and another hired on the fifth match.

On the face of it though, it’s looking better now than it was this time last week and with the prospect of more to come then I have no qualms at all in acknowledging the effort to get things right.

[Brightside]

Plus twice in three seasons we’ve twice sacked a manager.

Quite genuinely I’ll be dishing out “well done” when we’re regularly competing for third and making frequent Hampden appearances., plus the behaviour of a certain group of fans at away games is sorted. That’s where we were before we sacked Jack Ross so that’s extremely generous to reward treading water after the time and money spent.

Rons biggest mistake was listening to the noisy minority and sacking Jack. Finals weren’t good enough and it was all “embarrassing”. The important thing is that change has taken place. They must be given time for that to implement.

[matty_f]

Rons biggest mistake was listening to the noisy minority and sacking Jack. Finals weren’t good enough and it was all “embarrassing”. The important thing is that change has taken place. They must be given time for that to implement.

This is reasonable as well.

[Trinity Hibee]

Rons biggest mistake was listening to the noisy minority and sacking Jack. Finals weren’t good enough and it was all “embarrassing”. The important thing is that change has taken place. They must be given time for that to implement.

Losing twice to St Johnstone at Hampden in cup competitions we were favourites to win was quite embarrassing though. The manor of those defeats was extremely poor and he never found a way to beat them that season minus a fortunate penalty at the start of the season. The league form was also poor. Anyway don’t want this to become another JR should/shouldnt have been sacked as it’s been done to death and it was 3 years ago. Must move on.

[Bushwoof]

It would have been a more balanced post if amongst your list you mentioned, the likes of rolling back on the B team, Brian McDermot, another review and restructure this summer, two 8th place finishes in 3 years, league cup group stage exit, woeful recruitment etc. Listing the good and the bad.

Instead you omitted most of the bad and implied the unrest is on the back of a soul defeat to St Mirren. Not particularly constructive IMO.

It wasn't really supposed to be balanced. I was trying to point out that there are a whole load of things that we, the fans, demanded action on, and which have been addressed but completely ignored by those who can't see anything positive in what the Gordons have done.

Nobody is happy with the league placings, but last year it was only a 94th minute wonder goal that kept us out of the top 6, and probably a 5th place finish and Europe. We've since fixed some of the squad deficiencies, so there are plenty of positives going into the new season and it would be nice to get behind the club and team instead of all this relentless negativity.

[matty_f]

It wasn't really supposed to be balanced. I was trying to point out that there are a whole load of things that we, the fans, demanded action on, and which have been addressed but completely ignored by those who can't see anything positive in what the Gordons have done.

Nobody is happy with the league placings, but last year it was only a 94th minute wonder goal that kept us out of the top 6, and probably a 5th place finish and Europe. We've since fixed some of the squad deficiencies, so there are plenty of positives going into the new season and it would be nice to get behind the club and team instead of all this relentless negativity.

What are the deficiencies that we’ve fixed?

FWIW I agree about getting behind the team. I think it’s possible to have a discussion about concerns whilst still being supportive of the club, though.

[Wilson]

What are the deficiencies that we’ve fixed?

Having strikers shorter than 6ft 6 and our serious moustache shortage.

[matty_f]

Having strikers shorter than 6ft 6 and our serious moustache shortage.

:agree:

[Paulie Walnuts]

It wasn't really supposed to be balanced. I was trying to point out that there are a whole load of things that we, the fans, demanded action on, and which have been addressed but completely ignored by those who can't see anything positive in what the Gordons have done.

Nobody is happy with the league placings, but last year it was only a 94th minute wonder goal that kept us out of the top 6, and probably a 5th place finish and Europe. We've since fixed some of the squad deficiencies, so there are plenty of positives going into the new season and it would be nice to get behind the club and team instead of all this relentless negativity.

How does top 6 suddenly become ‘probably 5th’ when we finished bottom 6 and managed to drop to 8th :confused: we even finished behind 5th on points despite having bottom 6 games rather than top 6 games like St Mirren did in 5th.

It’s also a stretch to argue it was a wonder goal that prevented top 6. It was the culmination of 33 games that meant we missed out, not one 94th minute goal. If we’d performed better in the 32 previous games, that one minute of football wouldn’t have mattered.

[matty_f]

How does top 6 suddenly become ‘probably 5th’ when we finished bottom 6 and managed to drop to 8th :confused:

It’s also a stretch to argue it was a wonder goal that prevented top 6. It was the culmination of 33 games that meant we missed out, not one 94th minute goal.
:agree: by the same token you could say that we only got top six the season before because a result elsewhere went our way after we failed to beat St Johnstone to keep it in our own hands.

The results over the season put us where we were, and there's nothing to suggest that we would have went up the table rather than remaining in sixth, given that our performance against the worst teams in the league saw us slide down the table.

That was despite apparently addressing some deficiencies in the January window, having addressed other deficiencies in the summer window before that.

[Hibernian Verse]

:agree: by the same token you could say that we only got top six the season before because a result elsewhere went our way after we failed to beat St Johnstone to keep it in our own hands.

The results over the season put us where we were, and there's nothing to suggest that we would have went up the table rather than remaining in sixth, given that our performance against the worst teams in the league saw us slide down the table.

That was despite apparently addressing some deficiencies in the January window, having addressed other deficiencies in the summer window before that.

Craig Napier was the one that almost cost us top six season before last. That St Johnstone game was the one where Jeggo got sent off.

[Bushwoof]

How does top 6 suddenly become ‘probably 5th’ when we finished bottom 6 and managed to drop to 8th :confused: we even finished behind 5th on points despite having bottom 6 games rather than top 6 games like St Mirren did in 5th.

It’s also a stretch to argue it was a wonder goal that prevented top 6. It was the culmination of 33 games that meant we missed out, not one 94th minute goal.

You could argue that, but we were indeed in the top 6 until Motherwell scored with their only shot on target in the 94th minute. I think we'd have caught St Mirren based on our relative performances up to that point. Both Motherwell and Aberdeen were in better form than the buddies, and that and the lack of incentive being safe in the bottom 6 resulted in our 8th place finish.

[matty_f]

Craig Napier was the one that almost cost us top six season before last. That St Johnstone game was the one where Jeggo got sent off.

It would have been a factor, but results in all the preceding games (as well as that one) were bigger factors.

Napier is an awful referee, that decision was horrendous.

[matty_f]

You could argue that, but we were indeed in the top 6 until Motherwell scored with their only shot on target in the 94th minute. I think we'd have caught St Mirren based on our relative performances up to that point. Both Motherwell and Aberdeen were in better form than the buddies, and that and the lack of incentive being safe in the bottom 6 resulted in our 8th place finish.

St Mirren had put three past us on two occasions that season, and drew the other game. Which teams in the top six were we going to pick points up against?

I think Killie were the only top six side that we had a half decent record against last season, from memory (assuming we got in instead of Dundee).

[blackpoolhibs]

It wasn't really supposed to be balanced. I was trying to point out that there are a whole load of things that we, the fans, demanded action on, and which have been addressed but completely ignored by those who can't see anything positive in what the Gordons have done.

Nobody is happy with the league placings, but last year it was only a 94th minute wonder goal that kept us out of the top 6, and probably a 5th place finish and Europe. We've since fixed some of the squad deficiencies, so there are plenty of positives going into the new season and it would be nice to get behind the club and team instead of all this relentless negativity.

We did not keep the ball out the net again against Motherwell, whether it was the 94th minute or te 4th minute we were 8th last season.

I love it that you take it for granted if we had sneaked into the top 6, we would have been 5th?:faf:

Can you list me the squad deficiencys that we've fixed, as i have no idea if we are any better than last season yet, although getting beat by Kelty then stuffed by St Mirren say's to me we've hardly improved at all.

[greenlex]

Having strikers shorter than 6ft 6 and our serious moustache shortage.
The tache has gone and I fully expect us to have him down to about 5ft 4 by the end of the weekend.

[Bushwoof]

We did not keep the ball out the net again against Motherwell, whether it was the 94th minute or te 4th minute we were 8th last season.

I love it that you take it for granted if we had sneaked into the top 6, we would have been 5th?:faf:

Can you list me the squad deficiencys that we've fixed, as i have no idea if we are any better than last season yet, although getting beat by Kelty then stuffed by St Mirren say's to me we've hardly improved at all.

Well, pretty much everyone was desperate to bring in replacements for Marshall, Lewy and Paul, and we've done that. But let's assume that the new guys are as bad or worse than their predecessors, and we're headed for relegation. That's the spirit!

[blackpoolhibs]

Well, pretty much everyone was desperate to bring in replacements for Marshall, Lewy and Paul, and we've done that. But let's assume that the new guys are as bad or worse than their predecessors, and we're headed for relegation. That's the spirit!

Who is saying that?

I've no idea how good they are, they have played 1 league game and we got pumped, are they better, the same or worse as i've not judged them either way yet?:confused: