Is it time for the Majority Owner to explain the strategy to the Fans

[Hibeesforever]

Ian Gordon likes to keep a low profile but things are such a shambles at the moment, is it not about time he increased his affinity with the fans and gave a proper interview with the media...I am not prepared to see a legend like SDG be embarrassed with little backing and be a fall guy...the board and Ian Gordon directly are to blame.

[Alex Trager]

The CEO would do me.

Anyone. Any sort of communication.

[Cabbage-Patch]

I couldn’t even tell you what Ian Gordon sounds like. Kensall should be far more visible than he is though and a statement on this shambles of a pre season window and the issues with the BKs needs to be made asap

[Frazerbob]

I miss the halcyon days of Petrie's weekly press conferences.

[easty]

No.

The league season hasn’t even started. The transfer window isn’t close to shutting. We’ve made an attempt to address a major issue in our team from the last few seasons (keeper and centre halfs).

Came top of our cup group, despite one very poor result (they can happen to anyone), and scored a decent amount of goals.

If this summer turns out to be a complete failure by Hibs then Ian Gordon will absolutely have to answer for it, let’s not pre-empt disaster though.

[007]

No. SDG has said the club are working on bringing in players. Is he lying?

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Maybe now is not the time but FFS can we the fans not be given the courtesy of a bit of comms aeiund the plans for the season AS A MATTER OF COURSE? And not just the usual platitudes A acknowledging the mistakes and challenges now and in the future?

[Jack]

Ian Gordon is not the majority owner. Mommy is.

[Hibees1973]

Ha.

An Ian Gordon thread not started by me, that's refreshing. Whether it was Ron, Kensell or even him appointing himself as Head of Recruitment it was arrogant in the extreme. There was no going back for me even at this early stage and let's face it, things have not got any better ever since.

If the Gordon's are intending to hang around for the long term I reckon Kit, his mum, would be better as a figurehead of the club.

Kensell & Ian Gordon put us on the path of the deal with the Black Knights and neither are to be trusted.

I reckon Kensell & Ian Gordon will keep silent and are praying Gray and MacKay will somehow pull out a string of miraculous results, with a weak squad, to get them out of jail.

[Scotty Leither]

Maybe now is not the time but FFS can we the fans not be given the courtesy of a bit of comms aeiund the plans for the season AS A MATTER OF COURSE? And not just the usual platitudes A acknowledging the mistakes and challenges now and in the future?

Good luck with that, thus far we’ve only had MacPherson saying the fans are too dense to see what a great job Kensell has done.

[leith lynx]

Would not expect Ian Gordon to provide a weekly/monthly update or whatever but it would be helpful to explain his strategy/ideas on how he wants to take the club forward and also clear the air on rumours of conflict with Foley. The ongoing silence doesn't help one bit.

[Ringothedog]

I miss the halcyon days of Petrie's weekly press conferences.

They were fantastic times, his tips on waxing his moustache were always highlights. I wonder if we could get Kensall to give us tips on sunbeds?

[Ringothedog]

Would not expect Ian Gordon to provide a weekly/monthly update or whatever but it would be helpful to explain his strategy/ideas on how he wants to take the club forward a nd also clear the air on rumours of conflict with Foley. The ongoing silence doesn't help one bit.

Do any other clubs do this?

[leith lynx]

Do any other clubs do this?

Ron Gordon did.

[Ringothedog]

Ron Gordon did.

And when he did he got ripped up for arse paper by the interviewer and by our own fans. If an update came out tomorrow it would still not be enough for a small but extremely vocal minority of our fans.

[Dalianwanda]

Why? MM has explained the football side of things, i thought nothing else mattered?

As has already been said how many ceo/owner communications has silenced the critics? or not left the club open to ridicule from everyone else.

[we are hibs]

Not interested in anything he has to say unless it involves the club going up for sale tbh.

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[IberianHibernian]

Don`t remember Tom Farmer or previous owners giving interviews . Probably the same at other clubs . In fact Ron Gordon was probably an exception for club owners in that he did give several interviews maybe partly because he wasn`t living in Scotland so felt more need to communicate from a distance . Would probably be Kensell if any interview was given though I`m not sure what he could say that would be believed . He certainly can`t promise any signings which will definitely improve the team since no signing is a guarntee of success . Silence obviously invites speculation about overall financial situation of club but there are obvious disadvantages of announcing a very positive or negative financial situation. We have a high number of board members and not all of them are directly connected to the Gordon family or Foley´s company so they at least should have a fair idea of financial situation of club . Far more important than whether we sign a couple of players now , 4 weeks before window closes , is knowing financial situation better .

[tamig]

Ian Gordon likes to keep a low profile but things are such a shambles at the moment, is it not about time he increased his affinity with the fans and gave a proper interview with the media...I am not prepared to see a legend like SDG be embarrassed with little backing and be a fall guy...the board and Ian Gordon directly are to blame.

How is SDG being embarrassed and being a fall guy?

[leith lynx]

Even Tom Farmer on a few occasions communicated with the support, especially at the AGM's. Totally understand if Ian Gordon feels uncomfortable speaking in front of the camera, some sort of open letter Comms would help his rep greatly.Will certainly have to say something if it turns out the Black Knights collaboration has went tits-up.

[Coco Bryce]

How is SDG being embarrassed and being a fall guy?

He never said he was.

He said he wasn't prepared to let them embarrass SDG. I assume this is by not backing him and possibly starting the season poorly?

[PHeffernan]

Ian Gordon likes to keep a low profile but things are such a shambles at the moment, is it not about time he increased his affinity with the fans and gave a proper interview with the media...I am not prepared to see a legend like SDG be embarrassed with little backing and be a fall guy...the board and Ian Gordon directly are to blame.

Cor! What are you going to do?

[RIP]

Ian Gordon likes to keep a low profile but things are such a shambles at the moment, is it not about time he increased his affinity with the fans and gave a proper interview with the media...I am not prepared to see a legend like SDG be embarrassed with little backing and be a fall guy...the board and Ian Gordon directly are to blame.

On a weekend that David and the club are trying to spread positivity through his press conferences we get people desperately spreading counter-propaganda that:-

'things are such a shambles'

I appreciate that some fans view a summer transfer window as a source of hope for a new season and had hoped that the investment would have made more of a difference.

But all the money in the world won't help bring better players in to a bottom six SPL club with a reputation for managerial and player churn. I think the penny has dropped with supporters that we will not be addressing all our rebuild requirements in this window. I don't see that situation as 'a shambles' but as a reality that we have to face up to.

Our job now is to get fully behind the Head Coach and playing squad. Results on the pitch mean far more to most supporters than corporate shenanigans.

[JimBHibees]

On a weekend that David and the club are trying to spread positivity through his press conferences we get people desperately spreading counter-propaganda that:-

'things are such a shambles'

I appreciate that some fans view a summer transfer window as a source of hope for a new season and had hoped that the investment would have made more of a difference.

But all the money in the world won't help bring better players in to a bottom six SPL club with a reputation for managerial and player churn. I think the penny has dropped with supporters that we will not be addressing all our rebuild requirements in this window. I don't see that situation as 'a shambles' but as a reality that we have to face up to.

Our job now is to get fully behind the Head Coach and playing squad. Results on the pitch mean far more to most supporters than corporate shenanigans.

Spot on support the team and the club. Stop girning and see what happens instead of criticising every single thing.

[He's here!]

On a weekend that David and the club are trying to spread positivity through his press conferences we get people desperately spreading counter-propaganda that:-

'things are such a shambles'

I appreciate that some fans view a summer transfer window as a source of hope for a new season and had hoped that the investment would have made more of a difference.

But all the money in the world won't help bring better players in to a bottom six SPL club with a reputation for managerial and player churn. I think the penny has dropped with supporters that we will not be addressing all our rebuild requirements in this window. I don't see that situation as 'a shambles' but as a reality that we have to face up to.

Our job now is to get fully behind the Head Coach and playing squad. Results on the pitch mean far more to most supporters than corporate shenanigans.

I think it's reasonable to be concerned that we're going into the season proper without having signed a striker.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

The silence is as always deafening, we've been like this for years, I have no idea why we are like this but all I can say it's bloody infuriating 😡

[TheGog]

And when he did he got ripped up for arse paper by the interviewer and by our own fans. If an update came out tomorrow it would still not be enough for a small but extremely vocal minority of our fans.
Ron was always on podcasts etc, maybe it was the covid era and we seen more of him due the circumstances. He was a more prominent figure than his mouse of a son

[Smartie]

Some words about something, anything - would give us some comfort that they know what they’re doing and have our best interests at heart.

Ron was a good guy. He’d actually got a few big things wrong early in his time with us but because he had a bit of charisma and was prepared to face the media / engage with the fans, you get a feeling of what he was about and you backed him to get it right in the long term.

There are maniacs and wallopers in every support who you’ll never satisfy. There’s also a silent majority though who are sensible and who, I think, deserve to hear from those in charge.

The wall of silence is just bizarre and it is allowing rumours and suggestions of crisis to grow.

Personally, I think the present regime need to be much, much more media savvy.

[DIXIHIBS]

No.

The league season hasn’t even started. The transfer window isn’t close to shutting. We’ve made an attempt to address a major issue in our team from the last few seasons (keeper and centre halfs).

Came top of our cup group, despite one very poor result (they can happen to anyone), and scored a decent amount of goals.

If this summer turns out to be a complete failure by Hibs then Ian Gordon will absolutely have to answer for it, let’s not pre-empt disaster though.

Sensible post.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

The silence is as always deafening, we've been like this for years, I have no idea why we are like this but all I can say it's bloody infuriating 😡

what’s the common factor?
From a club perspective it’s the PR company…
been with us since the Straiton proposal…

[random sub]

This thread shouldn’t be a question

[blackpoolhibs]

I couldn’t even tell you what Ian Gordon sounds like. Kensall should be far more visible than he is though and a statement on this shambles of a pre season window and the issues with the BKs needs to be made asap

I'd put money on him sounding like Joe Pasquale.

[Northernhibee]

No because I don’t believe a single word that comes out of either Ian Gordon or Ben Kensell’s mouths.

[Smartie]

I'd put money on him sounding like Joe Pasquale.

I remember him briefly answering something at a press conference - can’t remember which one.

His answer was sensible and he sounded perfectly normal and articulate.

[Hibbyradge]

How often did our previous majority owner, Sir Tom Farmer, "explain strategies"?

I doubt I even/read heard any calls for him to do so.

[TrinityHFC]

I think it's reasonable to be concerned that we're going into the season proper without having signed a striker.

I’m a bit concerned about that too but I’ve also read pretty much daily David Gray’s thoughts on that and the work that’s going into it. I can be concerned whilst not needing to think everything and everyone at the club is a shambles.

[big gogs]

No because I don’t believe a single word that comes out of either Ian Gordon or Ben Kensell’s mouths.
You don’t believe a single word that comes out of Ian Gordon’s mouth,not surprising really ,Ian Gordon has never said anything in public.

[Northernhibee]

You don’t believe a single word that comes out of Ian Gordon’s mouth,not surprising really ,Ian Gordon has never said anything in public.

That’s not the defence of him that you think it is.

[Col2]

Come on guys the dynamic due of Ian Gordon and Ben Kensall don’t need to communicate to the club fans do they?

When is that 4th strip coming out again and where is my credit card?

[big gogs]

That’s not the defence of him that you think it is.
I’m not defending him.he stays in the background,looking after his families investments.

[Since90+2]

Ian Gordon is not the majority owner. Mommy is.

You could atleast use Kit Gordons name if referring to her. Mommy seems a bit condescending.

[Iain G]

I'd put money on him sounding like Joe Pasquale.

Isn't he American though?

[DarlingtonHibee]

No because I don’t believe a single word that comes out of either Ian Gordon or Ben Kensell’s mouths.

Dear oh dear. How about a bit of respect.

[JimBHibees]

Dear oh dear. How about a bit of respect.

Agree totally unnecessary

[One Day Soon]

Dear oh dear. How about a bit of respect.

Respect, generally, has to be earned.

[A Hi-Bee]

Dear oh dear. How about a bit of respect.

I & B :greengrin

[O'Rourke3]

Respect, generally, has to be earned.You must be a right laugh meeting new people

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[DarlingtonHibee]

Respect, generally, has to be earned.

So, you've met them both obviously.

What did you not like about their thinking 🤔

[Northernhibee]

Dear oh dear. How about a bit of respect.

😂

Trust me, from an attempted interaction with one of them they’ve lost my respect. Let’s leave it there.

[Hibbyradge]

😂

Trust me, from an attempted interaction with one of them they’ve lost my respect. Let’s leave it there.

New offer: disrespect 2 people for the price of one.

[Northernhibee]

Awwww, let’s all be nice to the people who are overseeing a ****ing shambles of a football club. Leave them alone.

I had respect for them. They’ve lost that.

Let’s be clear. We’ve heard so much chat from the club about how things are Barry and will be Barry. We’ve been pish for a while. Time for chit chat is long past over, it has to be results and results only going forward.

[DarlingtonHibee]

New offer: disrespect 2 people for the price of one.

😊

[Northernhibee]

Respect, generally, has to be earned.

I disagree with that. Respect is a given but respect can also rightfully be lost.

[worcesterhibby]

My personal view is that Ian Gordon and Kensall are letting MM and SDG handle the football side of things and concentrating on the commercial side. Which is exactly what they should be doing. We've had in depth interviews with MM and weekly press conferences with SDG. Sub standard players are being shipped out, a new defence is being built and our forward line has been bolstered.

The only shambles is the number of "supporters" on This site who seems to revel in putting our club down.

[One Day Soon]

You must be a right laugh meeting new people

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Yes, that’s totally how life works…

[Davy Mac]

To avoid any doubt, a wee reassurance all is well within our club following Foley's observation, it's the very least they can do for the fans

[One Day Soon]

So, you've met them both obviously.

What did you not like about their thinking 🤔

Wait, you’re only capable of forming an opinion about someone once you’ve actually met them? All other evidence is just completely extraneous?

I tend to judge people by their actions. So, you know, bloating the squad with poor players on overpaid contracts and making ****ty managerial appointments goes a long way with me to making me think perhaps these two got us into this ****ing huge mess in the first place…

[leith lynx]

To avoid any doubt, a wee reassurance all is well within our club following Foley's observation, it's the very least they can do for the fans

Well said, not a lot to ask for really.

[Billy Whizz]

How often did our previous majority owner, Sir Tom Farmer, "explain strategies"?

I doubt I even/read heard any calls for him to do so.

Sir Tom didn’t buy the players though

[BoomtownHibees]

Awwww, let’s all be nice to the people who are overseeing a ****ing shambles of a football club. Leave them alone.

I had respect for them. They’ve lost that.

Let’s be clear. We’ve heard so much chat from the club about how things are Barry and will be Barry. We’ve been pish for a while. Time for chit chat is long past over, it has to be results and results only going forward.

What’s Barry got to do with it? He just plays the music and announces the birthdays

[SHODAN]

How often did our previous majority owner, Sir Tom Farmer, "explain strategies"?

I doubt I even/read heard any calls for him to do so.

He was referred to more than once as our absent owner on here.

[TrinityHFC]

I think it's reasonable to be concerned that we're going into the season proper without having signed a striker.

I’m a bit concerned about that too but I’ve also read pretty much daily David Gray’s thoughts on that and the work that’s going into it. I can be concerned whilst not needing to think everything and everyone at the club is a shambles.

[BoomtownHibees]

I’m a bit concerned about that too but I’ve also read pretty much daily David Gray’s thoughts on that and the work that’s going into it. I can be concerned whilst not needing to think everything and everyone at the club is a shambles.

Why you concerned when we’ve just literally signed a striker?

[Libby Hibby]

Why you concerned when we’ve just literally signed a striker?

Sometimes, this place is just pure mental

[TrinityHFC]

Why you concerned when we’ve just literally signed a striker?

I actually posted that this morning. No idea why it has just showed up!

[BoomtownHibees]

I actually posted that this morning. No idea why it has just showed up!

It actually shows earlier in the thread as well 😂

[The Modfather]

How often did our previous majority owner, Sir Tom Farmer, "explain strategies"?

I doubt I even/read heard any calls for him to do so.

That’s a little bit disingenuous IMO. There wasn’t this level of calls for clarity last season as it was just a normal season. With the same usual calls on the back of a poor season as we saw under the numerous poor seasons under Farmer & Petrie.

Our previous owner didn’t enter a multi club group and take in £8m on the back of that. How the group will work, what benefits we’ve already seen, other than gratefully taking their money, are valid questions still to be answered IMO. That’s even before Foley spoke out which adds an extra layer of fans wanting clarity. We’ve had people told by Kensel about the indoor pitch and other people told we might actually pause that and put the money into the transfer budget instead.

There’s a lot that could be clarified without even talking about the transfer window, recruitment and categorically stating Ian Gordon isn’t any part of the team identifying players than a woolly he’s part of an overall committee response Mackay gave.. Our transfer business looks no different to before joining the group and looks like we’re continuing to shop in the same markets we always have.

[DarlingtonHibee]

My personal view is that Ian Gordon and Kensall are letting MM and SDG handle the football side of things and concentrating on the commercial side. Which is exactly what they should be doing. We've had in depth interviews with MM and weekly press conferences with SDG. Sub standard players are being shipped out, a new defence is being built and our forward line has been bolstered.



The only shambles is the number of "supporters" on This site who seems to revel in putting our club down.

10/10.

[Northernhibee]

This thread is proof that toxic positivity is absolutely a thing. To say “enough talk, more action” or that trust has been lost after so much over promising and under delivering isn’t a radical or extreme position, nor is it relentlessly putting the club down.

[TrinityHFC]

This thread is proof that toxic positivity is absolutely a thing. To say “enough talk, more action” or that trust has been lost after so much over promising and under delivering isn’t a radical or extreme position, nor is it relentlessly putting the club down.

Toxic positivity? You think people who are trying to be cooperative of their football club are toxic?

Does t the thread prove that people are being relentlessly negative about people at the club, despite the further signing today showing that people are absolutely working on things and trying to get them right.

No one is caring everything is amazing but we’ve made changes, we need to see how we progress on the football side now. I don’t think m that is a position that is toxic or in any danger of harming what we are trying to do.

[Hibbyradge]

To avoid any doubt, a wee reassurance all is well within our club following Foley's observation, it's the very least they can do for the fans

See above.

No matter what they say, most of the people calling for a statement, simply won't believe it.

Unless they say it's all negative and the future is bleak. They'd grab onto that with gusto.

[Hibbyradge]

He was referred to more than once as our absent owner on here.

He was our absent owner. He wouldn't deny that.

[Northernhibee]

Toxic positivity? You think people who are trying to be cooperative of their football club are toxic?

Does t the thread prove that people are being relentlessly negative about people at the club, despite the further signing today showing that people are absolutely working on things and trying to get them right.

No one is caring everything is amazing but we’ve made changes, we need to see how we progress on the football side now. I don’t think m that is a position that is toxic or in any danger of harming what we are trying to do.

If I had a chef who set fire to the kitchen, I wouldn’t think “that’s brilliant, he’s called the fire brigade”. I’d be angry about the damage done.


There’s a huge amount of work to do and a huge amount of ground to claw back before we give some of the key decision makers at the club a pat on the back and the benefit of trust.


We had Ian Gordon quietly put into the position of head of recruitment and the much hyped development squad didn’t work. We were told Maloney was a good appointment, he wasn’t. We had a review and apparently McDermott was what we were needing, then fast forward another twelve months and what we needed was another review and another change of someone to head up the football department.

Not giving trust that this latest change will work isn’t relentless negativity, it’s learning from past experiences.

[IberianHibernian]

If I had a chef who set fire to the kitchen, I wouldn’t think “that’s brilliant, he’s called the fire brigade”. I’d be angry about the damage done.


There’s a huge amount of work to do and a huge amount of ground to claw back before we give some of the key decision makers at the club a pat on the back and the benefit of trust.


We had Ian Gordon quietly put into the position of head of recruitment and the much hyped development squad didn’t work. We were told Maloney was a good appointment, he wasn’t. We had a review and apparently McDermott was what we were needing, then fast forward another twelve months and what we needed was another review and another change of someone to head up the football department.

Not giving trust that this latest change will work isn’t relentless negativity, it’s learning from past experiences.Don`t think anyone is giving anyone at the club a pat on the back . As for other comments , you could change the names and they could be relevant for most clubs of our financial size in Europe which all have constant changes of players , coaches , owners etc .
In case of Hibs , I actually think appointments of Maloney and McDermott were good ones but club didn`t give them time or backing and devt team idea was also an excellent idea but again club got nervous , overreacted and went from supporting idea to abandoning it .'meaning we`re back to where we were 5 or 6 years ago but having to pay for rushed decisions of 2 or 3 years ago . Obviously Ron Gordon`s illness and passing coincided with that period .

[john rossi]

I agree our fans deserve some clarity on why we are not seeing summer signings David Gray is being hung out to dry with a squad that is wafer thin, where is cover competition at left back, centre back, a number 10 and we only have 2 recognised strikers. We have one of the weakest teams pool of players in the SPL and injury’s to any key players and we are in a full blown crisis. The window closes end of this month I fear we will be in a relegation dog fight before to long.

[john rossi]

I agree our fans deserve some clarity on why we are not seeing summer signings David Gray is being hung out to dry with a squad that is wafer thin, where is cover competition at left back, centre back, a number 10 and we only have 2 recognised strikers. We have one of the weakest teams pool of players in the SPL and injury’s to any key players and we are in a full blown crisis. The window closes end of this month I fear we will be in a relegation dog fight before to long.

[Bridge hibs]

I agree our fans deserve some clarity on why we are not seeing summer signings David Gray is being hung out to dry with a squad that is wafer thin, where is cover competition at left back, centre back, a number 10 and we only have 2 recognised strikers. We have one of the weakest teams pool of players in the SPL and injury’s to any key players and we are in a full blown crisis. The window closes end of this month I fear we will be in a relegation dog fight before to long.You mean other than the five signings we have already made ?

[RIP]

This thread is proof that toxic positivity is absolutely a thing. To say “enough talk, more action” or that trust has been lost after so much over promising and under delivering isn’t a radical or extreme position, nor is it relentlessly putting the club down.

Toxic negativity is absolutely being spread on this board.

The relentless negativity comes from a very small flock of seagulls who swoop
onto the main posts squawking 'the club is a shambles' ad nauseum. All they leave behind is ****!

It's just propaganda being promoted to undermine the club at a time it needs us all to get behind it. Which we will. GGTTH

[matty_f]

Toxic negativity is absolutely being spread on this board.

The relentless negativity comes from a very small flock of seagulls who swoop
onto the main posts squawking 'the club is a shambles' ad nauseum. All they leave behind is ****!

It's just propaganda being promoted to undermine the club at a time it needs us all to get behind it. Which we will. GGTTH

I'm not sure that's fair. I've expressed many concerns over the last few weeks and I think they're merited. It doesn't stop me supporting the team or recognising the positive things we do as well.

The kid that shouted out that the emperor had no clothes on wasn't doing it to be negative, they just said what they saw even though it went against the grain.

I would love it if they're was nothing to be concerned about at the club.
I'm happy that we made signings and am confident that we'll make more. I think the folk we've got in key positions running the football side now will do a good job, but I have concerns about how they were selected and how those decisions align to a strategy we were sold in February.

It's not just a case of spreading propaganda, this is a forum for fans to talk about the good and bad of the club.

[RIP]

I'm not sure that's fair. I've expressed many concerns over the last few weeks and I think they're merited. It doesn't stop me supporting the team or recognising the positive things we do as well.

The kid that shouted out that the emperor had no clothes on wasn't doing it to be negative, they just said what they saw even though it went against the grain.

I would love it if they're was nothing to be concerned about at the club.
I'm happy that we made signings and am confident that we'll make more. I think the folk we've got in key positions running the football side now will do a good job, but I have concerns about how they were selected and how those decisions align to a strategy we were sold in February.

It's not just a case of spreading propaganda, this is a forum for fans to talk about the good and bad of the club.

Matty, I'm sure that the majority of us share the same concerns as you. Other posters I respect equally, have more. But when we post, we try to strike a balance between constructive critique and backing the club we love.

You're no Seagull. But to pretend that they don't exist or that their relentlessly negative posting activity isn't achieving the goal of impacting supporter morale at a crucial stage of the season doesn't help us back the club either.

It's a tiny minority but they are up to no good.

[Trinity Hibee]

I'm not sure that's fair. I've expressed many concerns over the last few weeks and I think they're merited. It doesn't stop me supporting the team or recognising the positive things we do as well.

The kid that shouted out that the emperor had no clothes on wasn't doing it to be negative, they just said what they saw even though it went against the grain.

I would love it if they're was nothing to be concerned about at the club.
I'm happy that we made signings and am confident that we'll make more. I think the folk we've got in key positions running the football side now will do a good job, but I have concerns about how they were selected and how those decisions align to a strategy we were sold in February.

It's not just a case of spreading propaganda, this is a forum for fans to talk about the good and bad of the club.

100% Matty couldn’t agree more. Some have very genuine concerns and have had enough of being fed lines about reviews etc.

All anyone cares about is success on the pitch and it feels we are currently way off that. We were in a good place 4 or 5 years ago and should have kicked on but we have regressed massively with so many changes we can’t keep up anymore. I see quite a few on here having a go at those who raise concerns and the irony is they are doing the exact same except they are relentlessly defending what is going on at the club. Hypocrisy at its finest.

[worcesterhibby]

Matty, I'm sure that the majority of us share the same concerns as you. Other posters I respect equally, have more. But when we post, we try to strike a balance between constructive critique and backing the club we love.

You're no Seagull. But to pretend that they don't exist or that their relentlessly negative posting activity isn't achieving the goal of impacting supporter morale at a crucial stage of the season doesn't help us back the club either.

It's a tiny minority but they are up to no good.

this is spot on and the problem is, it acts to polarise the support. The posters who describe Hibs as “a shambles” at every opportunity, only encourage others who are more supportive to post purely positively to counter them. We end up with one camp saying everything is a shameful shambles and another camp saying everything is fine. When the truth is that we have real issues with our squad that will take a year or two to fully sort… but thankfully the process is well underway.

[RIP]

this is spot on and the problem is, it acts to polarise the support. The posters who describe Hibs as “a shambles” at every opportunity, only encourage others who are more supportive to post purely positively to counter them. We end up with one camp saying everything is a shameful shambles and another camp saying everything is fine. When the truth is that we have real issues with our squad that will take a year or two to fully sort… but thankfully the process is well underway.

I'm yet to identify anybody claiming everything is fine. It's a long, long way from that. Agree that polarising the support is the aim of bad agents though.

[Hibernian Verse]

this is spot on and the problem is, it acts to polarise the support. The posters who describe Hibs as “a shambles” at every opportunity, only encourage others who are more supportive to post purely positively to counter them. We end up with one camp saying everything is a shameful shambles and another camp saying everything is fine. When the truth is that we have real issues with our squad that will take a year or two to fully sort… but thankfully the process is well underway.

It’s a trait of people in 2024 that everything is either great or terrible, when the reality is that Hibs currently sit somewhere in the middle of that spectrum just now.

[Smartie]

It’s a trait of people in 2024 that everything is either great or terrible, when the reality is that Hibs currently sit somewhere in the middle of that spectrum just now.

Yep.

Hibs have muddied the waters somewhat with the suggestions of there being millions of pounds of investment available to be spent on players… and a few years of mismanagement of the football side of the business…

But where we are now, with the transfer window we’ve had, I’d say we’re probably set for about 5th place, give or take a place. The cups will depend on the luck of the draw.

Which is all really quite average. Par for the course. And middling.

Sounds unremarkable but to finish there there will be a mix of the magnificent, truly dreadful and everything in between for us all to bicker over as usual.

[Northernhibee]

I'm not sure that's fair. I've expressed many concerns over the last few weeks and I think they're merited. It doesn't stop me supporting the team or recognising the positive things we do as well.

The kid that shouted out that the emperor had no clothes on wasn't doing it to be negative, they just said what they saw even though it went against the grain.

I would love it if they're was nothing to be concerned about at the club.
I'm happy that we made signings and am confident that we'll make more. I think the folk we've got in key positions running the football side now will do a good job, but I have concerns about how they were selected and how those decisions align to a strategy we were sold in February.

It's not just a case of spreading propaganda, this is a forum for fans to talk about the good and bad of the club.
This is precisely it. I’ve praised the signing of Gray and was pleased that we didn’t back in to very negative social media posts when he was rumoured in the papers to be getting the job.

I was very unsure about Bursik given reviews of supporters of his previous club but have praised the signings we’ve made otherwise, and also how largely we’ve played in the league cup. I’ve also defended Gray for the Kelty Hearts result.

I still have grave concerns about some very key individuals involved in the running of the club and am as unhappy about the state of where we’ve been and where our priorities have been lying and been similarly vocal. I’ve also admitted that I was wrong where I have been wrong.

And yet despite acknowledging both the good and the bad, there are certain posters who will simply respond about “relentless negativity” and “trolling” and the like. It’s not conducive to any sort of debate.

We all have different perspectives on the club and although there are green shoots that Gray and Mackay are shrewd appointments and have started well, as I’ve said and had the pack of wolves circle it won’t take those people to say that everything is golden for me to believe it, it will be when we actually see it established and working.

[RMQ1967]

100% Matty couldn’t agree more. Some have very genuine concerns and have had enough of being fed lines about reviews etc.

All anyone cares about is success on the pitch and it feels we are currently way off that. We were in a good place 4 or 5 years ago and should have kicked on but we have regressed massively with so many changes we can’t keep up anymore. I see quite a few on here having a go at those who raise concerns and the irony is they are doing the exact same except they are relentlessly defending what is going on at the club. Hypocrisy at its finest.

Many good points on here & I generally agree with the view that mistakes have been made but it does seem that the owners are learning and have taken steps to try & appoint the right people for the footballing management. They deserve some credit for that and most people have recognised that & moved on

One thing I don't agree with is that all anyone cares about is success on the pitch. It's people with a very shortsighted view of what it take to build a successful club that takes that view.

It's massively important that the commercial side, the stadium, the training facilities, the pitches are all up to the standard required to provide for & support a successful team on the pitch.

There's a naive view by some that the team on the pitch has to come above all else (I'm not saying you have that view btw Trinity), the commercial side, the infrastructure needs to develop hand in hand with the football side.

Clearly the football side is lagging but the overall strategy is absolutely spot on.

[Iain G]

This is precisely it. I’ve praised the signing of Gray and was pleased that we didn’t back in to very negative social media posts when he was rumoured in the papers to be getting the job.

I was very unsure about Bursik given reviews of supporters of his previous club but have praised the signings we’ve made otherwise, and also how largely we’ve played in the league cup. I’ve also defended Gray for the Kelty Hearts result.

I still have grave concerns about some very key individuals involved in the running of the club and am as unhappy about the state of where we’ve been and where our priorities have been lying and been similarly vocal. I’ve also admitted that I was wrong where I have been wrong.

And yet despite acknowledging both the good and the bad, there are certain posters who will simply respond about “relentless negativity” and “trolling” and the like. It’s not conducive to any sort of debate.

We all have different perspectives on the club and although there are green shoots that Gray and Mackay are shrewd appointments and have started well, as I’ve said and had the pack of wolves circle it won’t take those people to say that everything is golden for me to believe it, it will be when we actually see it established and working.

I am feeling strangely comfortable with where we are at, the building blocks that are going into the team actually seem to be round pegs in round holes, we needed to create a nee central defensive pairing, we needed to sort the goalie situation out, we need a more physical yet talented striker. We have done that without being flashy in a way some of our previous signings have been.

It feels like SDG is trying to put a team together exactly how he said he would. It's probably taken longer than we would like but still it feels like he is getting in the type of players he wants.

3 more good additions and we are in a pretty decent place.

Yup, feeling quietly confident, which of course could come crashing down around my ears if we lose the next 8 games 🤣😁

[Trinity Hibee]

Many good points on here & I generally agree with the view that mistakes have been made but it does seem that the owners are learning and have taken steps to try & appoint the right people for the footballing management. They deserve some credit for that and most people have recognised that & moved on

One thing I don't agree with is that all anyone cares about is success on the pitch. It's people with a very shortsighted view of what it take to build a successful club that takes that view.

It's massively important that the commercial side, the stadium, the training facilities, the pitches are all up to the standard required to provide for & support a successful team on the pitch.

There's a naive view by some that the team on the pitch has to come above all else (I'm not saying you have that view btw Trinity), the commercial side, the infrastructure needs to develop hand in hand with the football side.

Clearly the football side is lagging but the overall strategy is absolutely spot on.

Totally get what you are saying. I guess what I’m saying from my perspective is, whilst having a well run commercial side is clearly important, it essentially means little to fans if the on pitch product is poor or unsuccessful. It also shouldn’t be used by the board as a comeback to fan disgruntlement which one of the board has apparently mentioned at AGM (?). I support Hibs to see a successful side on the pitch, whilst understanding other revenues can support that, I’m really not that interested in off field gains being used to try to calm fans disappointment at what we see on a Saturday.

[RMQ1967]

Totally get what you are saying. I guess what I’m saying from my perspective is, whilst having a well run commercial side is clearly important, it essentially means little to fans if the on pitch product is poor or unsuccessful. It also shouldn’t be used by the board as a comeback to fan disgruntlement which one of the board has apparently mentioned at AGM (?). I support Hibs to see a successful side on the pitch, whilst understanding other revenues can support that, I’m really not that interested in off field gains being used to try to calm fans disappointment at what we see on a Saturday.

I don't disagree with any of that, the footballing side is massively lagging over the past few years and agree commercial improvements can't be held up as a bonus of some kind.

It's the total dismissal of the improvements by the "club is a shambles crew" that get to me. Lists of mistakes and continually going over the errors, without acknowledging all of the positive developments in recent years are not helping anything.

I don't want to sit in a shoddy stadium with weeds growing out of it & paint flaking off & pigeons flying around in the FF suites & a crap pitch & crap food & crappy turnstiles with big queues & get crappy customer service.
I want to be in a stadium that I feel proud of & people look at & think that's a smart stadium.

Above all I want to watch a winning team, let's hope the owners have finally found the right solution.

[One Day Soon]

Get things right on the park and people will be happier. Fail to do that and reap the response. The people running the club are in the position they’re in due to their own actions and they’ll rightly be stuck with their reputations for what they’ve screwed up until they fix it.

[DarlingtonHibee]

Toxic negativity is absolutely being spread on this board.

The relentless negativity comes from a very small flock of seagulls who swoop
onto the main posts squawking 'the club is a shambles' ad nauseum. All they leave behind is ****!

It's just propaganda being promoted to undermine the club at a time it needs us all to get behind it. Which we will. GGTTH

10/10

[Hibs90]

You watching this **** ?

GTF

[we are hibs]

"trust the process" [emoji1782]

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[One Day Soon]

Bye bye toxic positivity.

[Northernhibee]

Please tell me more about how they deserve respect.