Bring on the league season

[H18 SFR]

Bring it on! Hopefully a good old school sing song next weekend with 3 points to top it off.

[Gatecrasher]

Next week is going to give us a real idea of how the season may pan out, the League Cup games just don't give us the insight we are looking for. Away to St Mirren will be a toughie.

[lugz]

St Mirren play the Thursday in a qualifier which could easily go to ET, no excuses not to be getting some kind of result.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

3 solid first team signings. The back 4/5 looked really solid together

Kelty result aside (performance wasn't even terrible just poor compared to every other game) it's been a really positive pre season

Boyle looks back to his best imo

NMW looks cracking too

Strips are beautiful

We need more players. No doubt. But I am buzzing for it kicking off next week

[JohnM1875]

3 solid first team signings. The back 4/5 looked really solid together Kelty result aside (performance wasn't even terrible just poor compared to every other game) it's been a really positive pre seasonBoyle looks back to his best imo NMW looks cracking tooStrips are beautiful We need more players. No doubt. But I am buzzing for it kicking off next week

Agreed! Really like him, think he's going to be the next one to leave for good money. Just hope it isn't to the OF, well lets be honest, Celtic, seems like the Huns are laughably skint again

[Since452]

We look in good shape. Looking forward to it.

[Hermit Crab]

We look in good shape. Looking forward to it.We look in good shape?? That squad will toil to make the top 6. Dross.

[JohnM1875]

We look in good shape?? That squad will toil to make the top 6. Dross.

Think starting XI is good enough to make top six. Its the drop off in quality from the bench is my worry. No real depth at all and glaringly so in a couple of positions, LB and striker. An injure to either and we’re ****ed.

[Paul1642]

We look in good shape?? That squad will toil to make the top 6. Dross.

14-2 goals for / against in the league cup. Kelty game was bit a hiccup. The starting 11 is top 6 army day of the week and our competition aren’t as good as some on here give them credit for, before you factor is European fatigue.

I also think the signings will still come, although later in the window than needed.

[Hermit Crab]

Think starting XI is good enough to make top six. Its the drop off in quality from the bench is my worry. No real depth at all and glaringly so in a couple of positions, LB and striker. An injure to either and we’re ****ed.We look no better than last season.

[JohnM1875]

We look no better than last season.

Last season starting XI should have made top six as well. But then we had Montgomery.

[CapitalGreen]

Last season starting XI should have made top six as well. But then we had Montgomery.

Last seasons starting XI failed to beat the worst team in the league twice without Monty as manager. Continually overlooking how bad our squad is and laying all the blame at successive manager’s feet is how we’ve ended up where we are.

[JohnM1875]

Last seasons starting XI failed to beat the worst team in the league twice without Monty as manager. Continually overlooking how bad our squad is and laying all the blame at successive manager’s feet is how we’ve ended up where we are.

If Montgomery had done his job we shouldn't have played Livi a fourth time.

[DIXIHIBS]

We look no better than last season.

No idea how this season is going to pan out but to say we look no better at this stage is just nonsense...and you know it.

[Hermit Crab]

No idea how this season is going to pan out but to say we look no better at this stage is just nonsense...and you know it.We lost to Kelty Hearts.... Kelty Hearts.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

We lost to Kelty Hearts.... Kelty Hearts.

We beat PAOK... PAOK

A shocking result but the positives outweighs the negative imo

[DIXIHIBS]

We lost to Kelty Hearts.... Kelty Hearts.

Aye...poor result. Last year at this time we lost to waiters from Andorra...was that not worse? For sure we've a long way to go...but worse...nah. Agree to disagree.

[MWHIBBIES]

We lost to Kelty Hearts.... Kelty Hearts.

Admins I think HC has been hacked.

[BS44]

St Mirren play the Thursday in a qualifier which could easily go to ET, no excuses not to be getting some kind of result.

We're not looking very good, I'm putting that forward as an excuse if it goes wrong next Sunday 😉

[greenlex]

Think starting XI is good enough to make top six. It’s the drop off in quality from the bench is my worry. No real depth at all and glaringly so in a couple of positions, LB and striker. An injure to either and we’re ****ed.No depth at all yet changes today meant we actually stepped up a gear in intensity. Still two or three shy from being up there challenging but let’s get away from the no depth at all nonsense. Levitt for instance would walk into most squads as would Rocky and Amos is a decent baller with a good pedigree. Cadden and Youhan still to come back too. Add the two or three with a few kids champing at the bit and we will be just fine at the right end of the table. The players are there it just needs the coach to get them playing with purpose. In the main David Gray seems to be that coach. A striker should be priority. Two would be better.

[Spike Mandela]

The team is essentially the same as last year, at the moment, but inferior in forward areas. Gray might get a better tune out of it but without several signings midfield to front I think top six isn’t a given

[Nicho87]

You think what we need to make a good go of it

On the basis Youan stays I’d say we could get through January with one centre forward

On the basis he leaves we’d need two with one being capable of playing left of a three. Rudi is only 17/18 years old.

I think Kenneh, mckirdy, Doyle Hayes, Harbottle will all still be moved on

Maybe one more centre half left side that can play left back nbada would fit that bill perfectly

One central midfielder to rival Newell and Levitt

Not a million miles away but I think we just need competition for places.

[Hermit Crab]

The team is essentially the same as last year, at the moment, but inferior in forward areas. Gray might get a better tune out of it but without several signings midfield to front I think top six isn’t a givenI still think we are miles away from being a team capable for challenging for 3rd place. We need a couple of strikers, midfielders and we are short of a left back and a CH imo of course. Our bench is woeful, look what happened at Kelty. A 'changed' team was not good enough. We are only a few injuries away from having to start a team similar to that at Kelty as things stand.

[InvertedFullBak]

We look in good shape. Looking forward to it.In all respect mate , we look miles off it. That midfield has bottom 6 written all over it unless we can get 4-5 guys who’ll be starters.

[sauzee1989]

Can’t say I’m looking forward to season. Squad is 6/7 good players short. We are looking at a bottom 6 finish right now.

[DIXIHIBS]

In all respect mate , we look miles off it. That midfield has bottom 6 written all over it unless we can get 4-5 guys who’ll be starters.

No way are we going to get 4/5 starters. 1 or 2 maybe and maybe another 1 or 2 squad. Remember we've brought in 3 starters already.

[Pretty Boy]

I predicted last year we would finish somewhere from 5th to 7th and was wrong, we were worse.

I think that same area is realistic again this year. There is all the same mental gymnastics going on trying to convince ourselves we actually have a really good squad and it just needs another new manager to get it performing. The nucleus of the squad is the same as this time last year. It looks as though we have improved defensively which is a positive but we have lost our main goalscoring threat from last year, his signing in January was absolutely crucial in ensuring a poor season didn't turn into a disaster.

I don't even think many at the club are even bothering to pretend this is a good squad. We have 1 back up CB, no back up LB, one back up striker who hasn't scored a league goal, or indeed any competitive goals for us, and our starting striker has hardly been banging them in. Mackay has repeatedly made passing comments about the big changes coming next summer. There is a pretty clear expectation management exercise going on right now.

I'm looking forward to the season in the sense that there is always a bit of blind optimism that builds as opening week or 2 approaches but I'm tempering that with a realism that it isn't going to be that much better than last season. It's hard to see how it could be when we'll be starting the season with the same midfield and forward line as last and any new players who join from now will be trying to get match fit and gel in competitive games against last seasons top 6.

All I really expect is a few signs of forward progress. Commitment from every player and a manager who at least seems to be watching the same game as everyone else. We'll likely be in that 5th-8th position again which isn't very exciting but if there are signs we are in recovery then DG and MM deserve to really lead a proper rebuild next summer when we can really shed the non contributing deadwood who are tying up serious money.

[He's here!]

I still think we are miles away from being a team capable for challenging for 3rd place. We need a couple of strikers, midfielders and we are short of a left back and a CH imo of course. Our bench is woeful, look what happened at Kelty. A 'changed' team was not good enough. We are only a few injuries away from having to start a team similar to that at Kelty as things stand.

Agree with all of that. We're not making top six, let alone top three with this squad.

[He's here!]

St Mirren play the Thursday in a qualifier which could easily go to ET, no excuses not to be getting some kind of result.

St Mirren will be favourites to beat us irrespective of their European qualifier. I'll be pleasantly surprised if we get some kind of result.

[Since452]

5th or 6th is my prediction. I think we'll be very inconsistent but we don't have Montgomery as manager anymore. I don't think our squad is any worse than St Mirren, Dundee or Kilmarnock.

[Skol]

If we don’t make some good signings then we are destined for bottom six again

[B.H.F.C]

Can’t say I have the feeling of bring it on right at this moment.

Really need some positive news on the transfer front this week to give us a boost for the league starting.

As things stand the squad simply isn’t strong enough. In not even sure the starting 11 that is seen as our best is that strong either.

[Onion]

If we don’t make some good signings then we are destined for bottom six again

Squad is good enough. To get David Gray sacked.

[He's here!]

Can’t say I have the feeling of bring it on right at this moment.

Really need some positive news on the transfer front this week to give us a boost for the league starting.

As things stand the squad simply isn’t strong enough. In not even sure the starting 11 that is seen as our best is that strong either.

I find it particularly alarming that we look to be heading into the league campaign with our current 'strikeforce'. Like others, I'm a bit reluctant to give up on Vente but he doesn't look likely to transform himself into a goal machine by next weekend.

[NC1875]

Agree with PB’s comments.

I don’t think we’ll sign what we need this window, it’ll be a couple of young loans as per usual and we as fans are just expected to plod along hoping for top 6 this season and wait for a rebuild next season.

Game changing investment Ben Kensell told us. Few million to spend in the transfer window Foley told us.

We’re miles off a good squad, that could all change before the window closes, but I seriously doubt it with the clowns running the club.

At least you can get a pint behind the goals again 👏🏼

[GreenCastle]

I’m not convinced we have improved the squad.

Said several times we have brought in replacements which maybe possibly better than what we had but we are still currently weaker as a starting 11 and squad depth.

Missing…

Cadden
Youan
Myziane
Fish
Hanlon
Stevenson
Marshall

That’s before including McKirdy and JDH

We now have added

Bursik
O’Hora (injured)
Ekpiteta
Smith

I get that people think Gray has us more organised etc but organisation can only get you so far and in a tight game you need a game winner or a player who will produce something out the ordinary to win / save us points.

Still time to add players but I honestly can’t believe before the window opened (end of the season) and once the window has now opened we can’t find 1 player who we could add to improve us middle to front - what goes on in the recruitment department!

[Steve20]

No way are we going to get 4/5 starters. 1 or 2 maybe and maybe another 1 or 2 squad. Remember we've brought in 3 starters already.

Then we will have another season being miles behind 3rd place.

Simply not good enough that we haven’t invested more in the first team.

[GreenCastle]

“The starting 11 is good “ chat really doesn’t make sense either.

When was the last time we regularly played our starting 11 every week?

We haven’t been able to play the same team twice since the start of pre-season due to injuries / illness etc.

Our starting 11 is now 9 or 10 with Cadden and O’Hora injured. But even our starting 11 who most think is strongest is still way off what we need to be picking up wins consistently to get us top 4.

[B.H.F.C]

“The starting 11 is good “ chat really doesn’t make sense either.

When was the last time we regularly played our starting 11 every week?

We haven’t been able to play the same team twice since the start of pre-season due to injuries / illness etc.

Our starting 11 is now 9 or 10 with Cadden and O’Hora injured. But even our starting 11 who most think is strongest is still way off what we need to be picking up wins consistently to get us top 4.

If the starting 11 really was good, and you were going to have to replace players here and there, which will obviously happen with injuries and suspensions, then I’d feel less concerned. It’s the fact that I don’t think that 11 is all that good.

We need a striker and a left sided player. Molotnikov has done well but we can’t be relying on him at this point. The midfield is still more or less what has been a failing midfield in the last few years, although I don’t think we’ll do anything about this due to contract situation of those already there. Hopeful we’ll have improved things defensively although time will tell on that once we’re actually tested. Ultimately, you’re an injury away from having to play Rocky again.

[Smartie]

“The starting 11 is good “ chat really doesn’t make sense either.

When was the last time we regularly played our starting 11 every week?

We haven’t been able to play the same team twice since the start of pre-season due to injuries / illness etc.

Our starting 11 is now 9 or 10 with Cadden and O’Hora injured. But even our starting 11 who most think is strongest is still way off what we need to be picking up wins consistently to get us top 4.

It’s hard to say, because the opposition we’ve played so far has been of such a poor standard and the Watford game was a friendly.

Last season the defence was a problem - the GK it’s hard to say much about for sure but the 2 centre-backs look to be exactly the sort of upgrade we needed.

The midfield - aaargh, where do you go with the midfield. Occasionally good, occasionally not, has looked perfectly acceptable during our good performances and in Newell, Campbell and NMW I think we’ve settled on a first choice 3 that is reasonably balanced.

Boyle and Molitnikov have looked sharp, Vente (since the first game) hasn’t been able to score in spite of being provided with a bucketload of chances against poor opposition. In missing out on seeding due to the Kelty result, he’s already played a big part in costing us.

By and large, the rest of the team are creating chances for us and restricting chances for the opposition. We look a striker short of having a passable, a “probably good enough to finish 4th - 8th” first team to me. Hard to say though as we face a step up in standard when the league games begin.

We’re guessing how these players will get on in what might be a tricky first few league games.

[Since452]

I'm quite surprised at some of the negativity. I suppose people's patience is at all time low with the way the last few years have gone. On the face of it, including Edinburgh,the German side and PAOK, it's one of the best "pre seasons" we've had in a long time. As has been said, Kelty was a bit of a freak result in a game we dominated with our 2nd string. St Mirren is a real tough test but really looking forward to it.

[Box 17]

Listening to David Gray's post match interview on Sportsound yesterday he seemed to be hinting at transfer activity this week. However he didn't sound so positive about Youan being with us for much longer.

[GreenCastle]

If the starting 11 really was good, and you were going to have to replace players here and there, which will obviously happen with injuries and suspensions, then I’d feel less concerned. It’s the fact that I don’t think that 11 is all that good.

We need a striker and a left sided player. Molotnikov has done well but we can’t be relying on him at this point. The midfield is still more or less what has been a failing midfield in the last few years, although I don’t think we’ll do anything about this due to contract situation of those already there. Hopeful we’ll have improved things defensively although time will tell on that once we’re actually tested. Ultimately, you’re an injury away from having to play Rocky again.

Right now Rocky is starting against St Mirren - that’s where we are at as O’Hora was injured yesterday.

As much as Rudi has done well last few games - do we really reckon Rooney will be worried about him?

[SonOfDavidFrancey]

I think we may well be ok. Best XI is fine. Going to lack impact subs as things stand and that is a worry.

It’s looking like a trickier league with Aberdeen better, Dundee, St Mirren and Kilmarnock at the same sort of level. On the other hand I don’t think Hearts were quite as good as the league position suggested. So it will be about who gets a bit of momentum and a few breaks.

Kelty was a shocker but it happens - put that aside and we have 3 wins and 14 goals in the other three - it is as good a return as we could expect.

Think back to LC groups over the year… even 1972 we got cuffed 4-1 in the first or second game. You never know.

[He's here!]

I think we may well be ok. Best XI is fine. Going to lack impact subs as things stand and that is a worry.

It’s looking like a trickier league with Aberdeen better, Dundee, St Mirren and Kilmarnock at the same sort of level. On the other hand I don’t think Hearts were quite as good as the league position suggested. So it will be about who gets a bit of momentum and a few breaks.

Kelty was a shocker but it happens - put that aside and we have 3 wins and 14 goals in the other three - it is as good a return as we could expect.

Think back to LC groups over the year… even 1972 we got cuffed 4-1 in the first or second game. You never know.

That group game loss in 72 was at Pittodrie. Hardly comparable to an away trip to Kelty Hearts (who the Tornadoes would have stuck six past). We then beat Aberdeen in the return fixture.

That Hibs side were regularly in the running to win the league, let alone the cups. We can safely say the current squad won't reach those levels.

Interesting to note that Hearts finished third in a group also containing Berwick Rangers, Dumbarton and Airdrie.

[where'stheslope]

I always think the first 3-4 games of the season sets a team up for the rest of the season.Win 3 out of the 4 and you have a gap to the bottom club and near to the top teams.Then you have a great chance to build up a head of steam.

[Nicho87]

I always think the first 3-4 games of the season sets a team up for the rest of the season.Win 3 out of the 4 and you have a gap to the bottom club and near to the top teams.Then you have a great chance to build up a head of steam.

Jim Duffy had us top of the league as well

[Alfred E Newman]

5th or 6th is my prediction. I think we'll be very inconsistent but we don't have Montgomery as manager anymore. I don't think our squad is any worse than St Mirren, Dundee or Kilmarnock.

You are probably right about the squad but the difference is that these teams have squads more suited to grinding out results during a Scottish season.

[Carheenlea]

“The starting 11 is good “ chat really doesn’t make sense either.

When was the last time we regularly played our starting 11 every week?

We haven’t been able to play the same team twice since the start of pre-season due to injuries / illness etc.

Our starting 11 is now 9 or 10 with Cadden and O’Hora injured. But even our starting 11 who most think is strongest is still way off what we need to be picking up wins consistently to get us top 4.

If you asked the fans to pick our best starting 11 right now, I think you would see over 90% pick the same line up.

While I’m one who thinks it is a team that should be good enough against most in the league, it’s the options behind that which is setting off alarm bells.

[GreenCastle]

If you asked the fans to pick our best starting 11 right now, I think you would see over 90% pick the same line up.

While I’m one who thinks it is a team that should be good enough against most in the league, it’s the options behind that which is setting off alarm bells.

The other issue you have is teams know exactly how we line up and play.

I know we have said we will change it up but right now we don’t have many options to do that and watch Hibs a few times and you can see our style.

[A Hi-Bee]

I do not think in my humble that we have a good first eleven, we are very short on quality, a poor team at best, but hoping to be proved wrong, would not be the first time, but we are lacking and this could be a long hard season once more.

[Carheenlea]

The other issue you have is teams know exactly how we line up and play.

I know we have said we will change it up but right now we don’t have many options to do that and watch Hibs a few times and you can see our style.

Until the introduction of Levitt yesterday, you knew two or three passes in advance where we were going.

[GreenCastle]

I do not think in my humble that we have a good first eleven, we are very short on quality, a poor team at best, but hoping to be proved wrong, would not be the first time, but we are lacking and this could be a long hard season once more.

I think this is the part the fans are annoyed about currently - we aren’t a million miles away but at the same time we are as it’s very similar to last season and that wasn’t a good season at all.

Not like the Jack Ross 3rd team and not strengthening - this was a poor team and we have just replaced players.

Prove me / us wrong Hibs board / recruitment and add the 4 or 5 players we definitely need.

[Hibeewilly]

I do not think in my humble that we have a good first eleven, we are very short on quality, a poor team at best, but hoping to be proved wrong, would not be the first time, but we are lacking and this could be a long hard season once more.I have to agree unfortunately. For me we need four new signings who would be automatic starters. The position we find ourselves in at this point in the season regards recruitment is absolutely pathetic. I've no idea what our recruitment teams strategy is here but I for one am extremely concerned. We could conceivably have no points after 4 games.....

[One Day Soon]

The first 11 isn't good enough and beyond that the bench and wider squad are both paper thin in terms of any serious quality either competing for places or coming off the bench and making a difference. If we don't sign a minimum of another 5 before the window closes - either as starters or pushing for places - we will have a **** season again and quite possibly get pulled into trouble. There's no way we make it past Celtc in that League Cup draw, so a decent league campaign is our other hope. I just don't see how we sustain any serious challenge for Europe with the depth of 'quality' we've currently got.

[WestStandWillie]

I'm absolutely certain Gray will do well in the job. His interactions with the players throughout the Peterhead game really impressed me. The squad itself needs probably 3 new bodies all preferably in attack. Can't see there being wholesale changes to the midfield.

[SunshineOn1875]

I'm absolutely certain Gray will do well in the job. His interactions with the players throughout the Peterhead game really impressed me. The squad itself needs probably 3 new bodies all preferably in attack. Can't see there being wholesale changes to the midfield.Crying out for another reinforcement at the back. One injury to Ohora or Marv and we need to bring in the bombscare, could do with another LB as obita can cover that LCB side.

[MWHIBBIES]

Crying out for another reinforcement at the back. One injury to Ohora or Marv and we need to bring in the bombscare, could do with another LB as obita can cover that LCB side.

"The bombscare" seriously?

[B.H.F.C]

I'm absolutely certain Gray will do well in the job. His interactions with the players throughout the Peterhead game really impressed me. The squad itself needs probably 3 new bodies all preferably in attack. Can't see there being wholesale changes to the midfield.

I think he’ll do a decent job given the right support.

We must give him more players to work with and we must do, or start to do it, this week.

Imperative we get something on the board this weekend with back to back games against Celtic to follow. We need to go in to them with some degree of confidence.

[snedzuk]

Until the introduction of Levitt yesterday, you knew two or three passes in advance where we were going.

An excellent point. O'Hora changes that so hopefully nothing too serious with him.

[SunshineOn1875]

"The bombscare" seriously?Being that he is a bombscare, yes really. He's the centre half equivalent of Jair Tavares

[MWHIBBIES]

Being that he is a bombscare, yes really. He's the centre half equivalent of Jair Tavares

He is Rocky Bushiri. He's not "the bombscare".

He's nowhere near as bad as folk make out. And neither is tavares. They might not be good enough but the personal stick and name-calling is too far.

Strange those 2 get so much grief, which especially in Rocky's case is very disproportionate to performance. Fish wasn't any better last season but not as much stick. David Marshall was much worse than Rocky. Wonder what is the difference there.

[Hibernian Verse]

Being that he is a bombscare, yes really. He's the centre half equivalent of Jair Tavares

You're kicking about a few threads making comments that presumably were funny in your head.

[JimBHibees]

Being that he is a bombscare, yes really. He's the centre half equivalent of Jair Tavares

Hysterical

[SunshineOn1875]

He is Rocky Bushiri. He's not "the bombscare". He's nowhere near as bad as folk make out. And neither is tavares. Strange those 2 get so much grief, which especially in Rocky's case is very disproportionate to performance. Fish wasn't any better last season but not as much stick. David Marshall was much worse than Rocky. Wonder what is the difference there.Fish will go on to have a very good career, Rocky Bushiri wont.David Marshall should have been forced into retirement the season after he came. If you genuinely don't think Tavares or Rocky are as bad as folk make out then I'm not sure who you've been watching for the last 18 months. I could count on 1 hand the amount of decent performances put in by both.We looked a lot more defensively sound when Fish played alongside Hanlon, can't say the same about Hanlon with Rocky or Rocky with Fish.

[SunshineOn1875]

You're kicking about a few threads making comments that presumably were funny in your head.I'm not trying to be funny, both are horrendously bad football players. That's all.

[MWHIBBIES]

Fish will go on to have a very good career, Rocky Bushiri wont.David Marshall should have been forced into retirement the season after he came. If you genuinely don't think Tavares or Rocky are as bad as folk make out then I'm not sure who you've been watching for the last 18 months. I could count on 1 hand the amount of decent performances put in by both.We looked a lot more defensively sound when Fish played alongside Hanlon, can't say the same about Hanlon with Rocky or Rocky with Fish.

Fish might well. He was still poor last season.

I've been watching rocky for 2 and a half years at Hibs now. He has actually had quite a few good games in that time. He's fine for 3rd choice and will continue to improve I think.

Jair I don't really rate, but don't really feel the need to call him names.

[SunshineOn1875]

Fish might well. He was still poor last season. I've been watching rocky for 2 and a half years at Hibs now. He has actually had quite a few good games in that time. He's fine for 3rd choice and will continue to improve I think. Jair I don't really rate, but don't really feel the need to call him names.This is the thing though, he isn't good enough to be 3rd choice at Hibs. He is if were happy with 6th/7th place as shown in his 2 and a half years here. I didn't call him names, he's a bad football player that should never have been signed by Hibs. Not sure where I called him a name?

[SunshineOn1875]

HystericalHe is to watch at times yes.

[MWHIBBIES]

This is the thing though, he isn't good enough to be 3rd choice at Hibs. He is if were happy with 6th/7th place as shown in his 2 and a half years here. I didn't call him names, he's a bad football player that should never have been signed by Hibs. Not sure where I called him a name?

Yeah, sorry, you're right. No names at all. Apart from bombscare.

He's not a bad footballer. He's actually a decent one who might not be good enough, but is no bombscare. Ive never seen him make a mistake I've not seen guys like McGregor or Hanlon also make. He's not at their level in his game, but his mistakes are just utterly crucified by a rather vile element of our support.

[Since90+2]

Bushiri isn't good enough if we want to be finishing 3rd or 4th. Even if he's 3rd choice with injuries, suspensions and if playing a back 3 he'd have a decent amount of game time over a season.

He's not good enough for Hibs. I'm genuinely surprised anyone who's watched him even semi regularly in the last few years can conclude otherwise.

[SunshineOn1875]

Yeah, sorry, you're right. No names at all. Apart from bombscare. He's not a bad footballer. He's actually a decent one who might not be good enough, but is no bombscare. Ive never seen him make a mistake I've not seen guys like McGregor or Hanlon also make. He's not at their level in his game, but his mistakes are just utterly crucified by a rather vile element of our support.He is an extremely bad footballer. I called rocky a bombscare not Jair although saying that I don't think I could quite sum him up in one word. It's great seeing players way out of their depth being crucified by our support when they put in sub par after sub par performances time and time again. Maybe it'll lead to some standards around the football club.

[SunshineOn1875]

Bushiri isn't good enough if we want to be finishing 3rd or 4th. Even if he's 3rd choice with injuries, suspensions and if playing a back 3 he'd have a decent amount of game time over a season. He's not good enough for Hibs. I'm genuinely surprised anyone who's watched him even semi regularly in the last few years can conclude otherwise.Thank you.

[RIP]

Crying out for another reinforcement at the back. One injury to Ohora or Marv and we need to bring in the bombscare, could do with another LB as obita can cover that LCB side.

Pathetic way to talk about a player who always gives his all for the team every time he pulls on a Hibs strip. Until we have four better centre halves at the club you will be seeing plenty of him this season.

[MWHIBBIES]

He is an extremely bad footballer. I called rocky a bombscare not Jair although saying that I don't think I could quite sum him up in one word. It's great seeing players way out of their depth being crucified by our support when they put in sub par after sub par performances time and time again. Maybe it'll lead to some standards around the football club.

He isn't way out of his depth though. He might not be good enough for a good Hibs team but this certainly isn't that. Considering the mess we've been since he joined, and how basically no one around him in any position has been good, I don't think it's really him to blame for much.

Abusing rocky is just lazy, low hanging fruit. Do you think any of our white players are extremely bad bombscare btw? Just curious.

[SunshineOn1875]

He isn't way out of his depth though. He might not be good enough for a good Hibs team but this certainly isn't that. Considering the mess we've been since he joined, and how basically no one around him in any position has been good, I don't think it's really him to blame for much. Abusing rocky is just lazy, low hanging fruit. Do you think any of our white players are extremely bad bombscare btw? Just curious.Was waiting to see how long the race card would be played. Didn't take you long did it? For what its worth, there have been a number of white players over the years who haven't been good enough and I've criticised to the same extent as Rocky, Mckirdy/Harbottle are actually worse IMO. Right onto the skin colour though eh.

[Hibernian Verse]

Was waiting to see how long the race card would be played.

Strange that it was in your head already...

[MWHIBBIES]

Was waiting to see how long the race card would be played. Didn't take you long did it? For what its worth, there have been a number of white players over the years who haven't been good enough and I've criticised to the same extent as Rocky, Mckirdy/Harbottle are actually worse IMO. Right onto the skin colour though eh.

Jesus, very defensive. Just asked a question. Fair enough.

Bombscare is a term that is used on hibs.net disproportionally towards black players in my opinion. Bamba and Efe used to get it and still do despite being utterly class players

[SunshineOn1875]

Strange that it was in your head already...Not really but it's always the same with you folk. Can criticise the white man but god forbid you do anyone else. It's not like Lewis or Paul went through years of dogs abuse from certain fans eh.

[SunshineOn1875]

Jesus, very defensive. Just asked a question. Fair enough. Bombscare is a term that is used on hibs.net disproportionally towards black players in my opinion. Bamba and Efe used to get it and still do despite being utterly class playersEfe was called a bombscare by that mob through in glasgow for some unknown reason but was entirely solid for us, Bamba went on to have a great career as he rightfully deserved. Neither were bombscares.

[Paul1642]

Abusing rocky is just lazy, low hanging fruit. Do you think any of our white players are extremely bad bombscare btw? Just curious.

I’m getting Deja Vu of this exact debate on here a few months ago. The term bombscare is absolutely nothing to do with race or colour for hopefully all who use the term. Certainly all my mates who use the term would never intentionally make a racist remark, myself included.

It refers to a player, typically a defender or GK who regardless of how good or not they are most of the time, is prone to a moment of madness out of nowhere resulting is a chance or a goal. They tend to give fans the fear when a what should be a simple ball to defend comes their way.

That in my opinion is what we have with Rocky right now IMO. We’ve had plenty in the past of various colours and we will no doubt have plenty more to come.

I know your question wasn’t aimed at me but no I don’t think any of our white players are bombscares right now. O’Hora looks solid and Miller and Cadden likewise. I also wouldn’t come close to considering Obita or Marv as bombscares either for balance.

Zibi Malkowski was the biggest bombscare I’ve ever seen play for Hibs and he’s as white as they come.

[MWHIBBIES]

Efe was called a bombscare by that mob through in glasgow for some unknown reason but was entirely solid for us, Bamba went on to have a great career as he rightfully deserved. Neither were bombscares.

Oh, I know that. You still get daft Hibs fans saying it though.

[SunshineOn1875]

I’m getting Deja Vu of this exact debate on here a few months ago. The term bombscare is absolutely nothing to do with race or colour for hopefully all who use the term. Certainly all my mates who use the term would never intentionally make a racist remark, myself included.It refers to a player, typically a defender or GK who regardless of how good or not they are most of the time, is prone to a moment of madness out of nowhere resulting is a chance or a goal. They tend to give fans the fear when a what should be a simple ball to defend comes their way.That in my opinion is what we have with Rocky right now IMO. We’ve had plenty in the past of various colours and we will no doubt have plenty more to come.I know your question wasn’t aimed at me but no I don’t think any of our white players are bombscares right now. O’Hora looks solid and Miller and Cadden likewise. I also wouldn’t come close to considering Obita or Marv as bombscares either for balance.Zibi Malkowski was the biggest bombscare I’ve ever seen play for Hibs and he’s as white as they come.I'll add Colin Murdock to that list, De Graff, Vine, Collins. Could go on and on and on. I don't care if your white, black, blue or green for that matter. If you are a bombscare then rightfully so you'll be called on it.

[Since90+2]

I’m getting Deja Vu of this exact debate on here a few months ago. The term bombscare is absolutely nothing to do with race or colour for hopefully all who use the term. Certainly all my mates who use the term would never intentionally make a racist remark, myself included.

It refers to a player, typically a defender or GK who regardless of how good or not they are most of the time, is prone to a moment of madness out of nowhere resulting is a chance or a goal. They tend to give fans the fear when a what should be a simple ball to defend comes their way.

That in my opinion is what we have with Rocky right now IMO. We’ve had plenty in the past of various colours and we will no doubt have plenty more to come.

I know your question wasn’t aimed at me but no I don’t think any of our white players are bombscares right now. O’Hora looks solid and Miller and Cadden likewise. I also wouldn’t come close to considering Obita or Marv as bombscares either for balance.

Zibi Malkowski was the biggest bombscare I’ve ever seen play for Hibs and he’s as white as they come.

Well said. Pathetic to try and link it to racism.

[SunshineOn1875]

Oh, I know that. You still get daft Hibs fans saying it though.I'd remind them playing 46 games for an Ivory Coast side as good at the time is the opposite of a bombscare, I'd have given a limb to have had Bamba for another day never mind season.

[hibsbollah]

Crying out for another reinforcement at the back. One injury to Ohora or Marv and we need to bring in the bombscare, could do with another LB as obita can cover that LCB side.

:rolleyes:

[hibsbollah]

Well said. Pathetic to try and link it to racism.

Pathetic to say it in the first place. Fan my arsenal.

[SunshineOn1875]

Pathetic to say it in the first place. Fan my arsenal.Stop forcing the race card, its boring.

[hibsbollah]

Stop forcing the race card, its boring.

Youre a bombscare of a poster. Your race has absolutely nothing to do with it.

[Since90+2]

Pathetic to say it in the first place. Fan my arsenal.

That's a separate debate, but to try and link it somehow to skin colour when it's used regularly for various players, black or white, is pathetic.

Hanlon was regularly called a bombscare and criticisd massively. Last time I checked he was white.

[SunshineOn1875]

Youre a bombscare of a poster. Your race has absolutely nothing to do with it.You need a helmet.

[hibsbollah]

That's a separate debate, but to try and link it somehow to skin colour when it's used regularly for various players, black or white, is pathetic.

Hanlon was regularly called a bombscare and criticisd massively. Last time I checked he was white.

Well its not a separate debate because it was said on this thread. To call one of our players ‘the bombscare’ (not even the word FFS, but depersonalization like that, use his name) is massively disrespectful as well as harsh to the point of inaccuracy so I’ll continue to call that **** out.

[SunshineOn1875]

Well its not a separate debate because it was said on this thread. To call one of our players ‘the bombscare’ (not even the word FFS, but depersonalization like that, use his name) is massively disrespectful as well as harsh to the point of inaccuracy so I’ll continue to call that **** out.You sound stressed, have a lie down buddy.

[B.H.F.C]

Well said. Pathetic to try and link it to racism.

Agree. Knew someone would bring that up. Remember the last time it did someone done a search of all the players that had been referred to as a bombscare. Plenty came up, there were plenty white players referred to in that manner over time.

[RIP]

Beginning to think that it's not just Easter Road Stadium that is suffering from a seagull infestation. Anyone who protests about the constant attacks on players or club management gets swooped upon.

As a 17 year veteran of this board, I'm seeing less and less long-time members bothering to post anymore. The negativity of this new breed of poster just sucks the enjoyment out of supporting the club.

[One Day Soon]

Beginning to think that it's not just Easter Road Stadium that is suffering from a seagull infestation. Anyone who protests about the constant attacks on players or club management gets swooped upon.

As a 17 year veteran of this board, I'm seeing less and less long-time members bothering to post anymore. The negativity of this new breed of poster just sucks the enjoyment out of supporting the club.


'new breed of poster'? I've been posting here since, I think, 2006 - 18 years. I used to be just about the very happiest of clappers. Not now. Many of the posters you are complaining about aren't a new breed at all, they're long standing posters whose viewpoint has been shaped by what they have witnessed in recent years. And BTW, they're perfectly entitled to their opinion without being policed by others as to what is acceptable. We have admins for that.

[Mcbizz1998]

I'm not going to call Bushiri any names but I'm sorry, you are nothing short of deluded if you think he is even close to being good enough. A terrible, at times, comically bad football player. He will drop down the levels after leaving Hibs, be lucky to play National League in England in 3 years time.

[Pretty Boy]

'new breed of poster'? I've been posting here since, I think, 2006 - 18 years. I used to be just about the very happiest of clappers. Not now. Many of the posters you are complaining about aren't a new breed at all, they're long standing posters whose viewpoint has been shaped by what they have witnessed in recent years. And BTW, they're perfectly entitled to their opinion without being policed by others as to what is acceptable. We have admins for that.

I think people have just become far more entrenched in their views in the last few years, across the board rather than just when it comes to football. Social media and new media allows that; people can wrap themselves up in wee bubbles or echo chambers and believe almost everyone thinks the same as them and those who don't are weird outliers. When confronted with the fact that is obviously not the case it provokes anger rather than any kind of thought process that considers that there may well be shades of grey rather than just black or white.

I always got the sense in the past that you could disagree with people on here, post your respective points and the other poster(s) would consider them and maybe even change their mind. That seems rarer now; many people talk at each other and very few go into a discussion with any intention other than to prove themselves right, any consideration that there might be scope for concession is lost.

That's not just new posters, if anything I'd say some of the old guard, myself included on occasion btw, are the worst for it.

[RIP]

'new breed of poster'? I've been posting here since, I think, 2006 - 18 years. I used to be just about the very happiest of clappers. Not now. Many of the posters you are complaining about aren't a new breed at all, they're long standing posters whose viewpoint has been shaped by what they have witnessed in recent years. And BTW, they're perfectly entitled to their opinion without being policed by others as to what is acceptable. We have admins for that.

That was some rant. My comments were in no way directed at you. I have always read your posts.

I see you as a Hibs supporter with valid points to make. I'm sure that you look for the good in what the club is doing and where we perform well on the pitch.

The new breed I'm referring to never find anything to enjoy at Hibernian FC and swoop all over threads attacking every aspect of the club. No interest in seeing anything positive.

That seems to be a very odd way of supporting the club we purport to love. Seagulls who swoop down onto all the rubbish and leave **** behind.

A small but vociferous minority so maybe best if I make use of the ignore function. I'm sure Admin can monitor them better than any of us.

[One Day Soon]

That was some rant. My comments were in no way directed at you. I have always read your posts.

I see you as a Hibs supporter with valid points to make. I'm sure that you look for the good in what the club is doing and where we perform well on the pitch.

The new breed I'm referring to never find anything to enjoy at Hibernian FC and swoop all over threads attacking every aspect of the club. No interest in seeing anything positive.

That seems to be a very odd way of supporting the club we purport to love. Seagulls who swoop down onto all the rubbish and leave **** behind.

A small but vociferous minority so maybe best if I make use of the ignore function. I'm sure Admin can monitor them better than any of us.


Honestly I've never used the ignore function, couldn't even tell you where it is. It takes all opinions I suppose. If the club would announce a decent signing or two it would go a long way to soothing all sides.

[shetlandhibee]

[QUOTE=Pretty Boy;7722086]I think people have just become far more entrenched in their views in the last few years, across the board rather than just when it comes to football. Social media and new media allows that; people can wrap themselves up in wee bubbles or echo chambers and believe almost everyone thinks the same as them and those who don't are weird outliers. When confronted with the fact that is obviously not the case it provokes anger rather than any kind of thought process that considers that there may well be shades of grey rather than just black or white.I always got the sense in the past that you could disagree with people on here, post your respective points and the other poster(s) would consider them and maybe even change their mind. That seems rarer now; many people talk at each other and very few go into a discussion with any intention other than to prove themselves right, any consideration that there might be scope for concession is lost.That's not just new posters, if anything I'd say some of the old guard, myself included on occasion btw, are the worst for it.[/QUOTE spot on

[MWHIBBIES]

I'm not going to call Bushiri any names but I'm sorry, you are nothing short of deluded if you think he is even close to being good enough. A terrible, at times, comically bad football player. He will drop down the levels after leaving Hibs, be lucky to play National League in England in 3 years time. He is not though, is he? The way you describe him is like Ali Dia level. He is not. He has had plenty of decent games for us. Its one of the trends of the last 4/5 years across the internet. There is simply NO middleground. A player is either amazing or rubbish. Its rarely the case. Rocky has flaws, and strengths. So do all our players. He might not be good enough for Hibs, but he isn't a comically bad football player. That is just rubbish.

[swordin3]

I have been a supporter for 50 odd years played a bit of football at a decent level till I was 30 Purchased my first season ticket and had it with 2 Daughters for 25 years. I did not renew 3 years ago and have lost my desperation to go along and watch us. It's been more the lack of integrity and steel that has stopped me from going. I am just looking for a trigger to light my enthusiasm again. 😎

[richard_pitts]

Beginning to think that it's not just Easter Road Stadium that is suffering from a seagull infestation. Anyone who protests about the constant attacks on players or club management gets swooped upon.

As a 17 year veteran of this board, I'm seeing less and less long-time members bothering to post anymore. The negativity of this new breed of poster just sucks the enjoyment out of supporting the club.

# me too

[tonyrougier123]

I'm not going to call Bushiri any names but I'm sorry, you are nothing short of deluded if you think he is even close to being good enough. A terrible, at times, comically bad football player. He will drop down the levels after leaving Hibs, be lucky to play National League in England in 3 years time.

His heading of the ball is a real concern for me. I like a cb that can at least direct a header. He’s athletic quick but really lapsed in his abilities.