Will Hibs qualify for the knockout stages of the League Cup

[IFONLY]

If Hibs dont win their section and end up as runners up will they qualify as one of the best runners up?

[JohnM1875]

Not sure to be honest but if Hibs don't win this group then we don't deserve to qualify.

[B.H.F.C]

I think 9 points will be enough to be one of the best second placed teams. But I think we’ll win the group anyway.

[Wheat Hound]

Mind when the Gordons were talking about their ambition for group stage football for Hibs. Well, 5 years in and we are battling away in the group stage to try and reach the latter rounds....

[WestStandWillie]

Queen's Park will beat Kelty. We'll beat Peterhead.If we don't beat Peterhead, we're in a world of keek

[Iain G]

We still have to field a suspended player in the Peterhead game of course 😁

[cabbageandribs1875]

We still have to field a suspended player in the Peterhead game of course 😁i'm still hoping it's discovered Kelty fielded a player that should have been suspended

[Chorley Hibee]

Doubt about whether we'll qualify from a group containing Elgin, Peterhead, Kelty and Queens Park.

What an actual clown show Hibs are.

[1875Sean]

People need to chill out, it’s very unlikely Kelty will win the next 2 games

[Contador]

We’ll still qualify but unlikely we’ll be seeded highly increasing our chances of being knocked out the next round anyway

[Brooster]

A complete **** up in team selection against Kelty has ensured we won't be seeded for the last 16 thus making progress and ability to make some money all the more difficult.

[Donegal Hibby]

We’ll still qualify but unlikely we’ll be seeded highly increasing our chances of being knocked out the next round anyway

Agree , we will still qualify , thought it was an act of stupidity making so many changes in a game we needed to win in order to make things easier in the next round .

We could quite easily get one of the OF now and it's goodnight Vienna while managers like Thelin went with more or less a full strength team and are likely to avoid the same scenario.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

We’ll still qualify but unlikely we’ll be seeded highly increasing our chances of being knocked out the next round anyway

Yeah, which was even stranger treating this game so lightly when the board made it obvious getting to the latter stages of cup competitions is so important financially.

[Argylehibby]

People need to chill out, it’s very unlikely Kelty will win the next 2 games

As or more unlikely as them beating Hibs?

[Exuberance1875]

We still have to field a suspended player in the Peterhead game of course 😁

Hahahahaha

[Ronniekirk]

Gray will have learnt from the Kelty Hearts game and will play our strongest team against Peterhead Unless there is a mutiny amongst players we will easily take care of that game giving us nine points Which should see us progress to next round

[Musselbound]

We’ll still qualify but unlikely we’ll be seeded highly increasing our chances of being knocked out the next round anyway

Pretty much how I see it. We could have a tricky game in the next round and beating Peterhead seems a bit less of a given than it did a few days ago. We will need three points in that for sure.

[InvertedFullBak]

Gray will have learnt from the Kelty Hearts game and will play our strongest team against Peterhead Unless there is a mutiny amongst players we will easily take care of that game giving us nine points Which should see us progress to next roundHe shouldn’t have needed to learn from the Kelty debacle. He should’ve learnt from the Falkirk debacle under Johnson.

[Ringothedog]

Pretty much how I see it. We could have a tricky game in the next round and beating Peterhead seems a bit less of a given than it did a few days ago. We will need three points in that for sure.

Hibs will put at least 6 past Peterhead on Saturday

[Ronniekirk]

He shouldn’t have needed to learn from the Kelty debacle. He should’ve learnt from the Falkirk debacle under Johnson. I agree with you but he wanted to freshen things up given so many games in quick succession But he knows the players and making so many changes was a risk that backfired We stood should of won the game Poor defending and not taking chances ( now that sounds familiar )

[heretoday]

No probs.

[Hibees1973]

Yes, but more than likely the damage has been done already. Barring a lucky draw we will get knocked out in the next round due to not being seeded.

[Lago]

Doubt about whether we'll qualify from a group containing Elgin, Peterhead, Kelty and Queens Park.What an actual clown show Hibs are.Exactly to even be asking that question shows what a state Hibs are in.

[Joe6-2]

Not sure to be honest but if Hibs don't win this group then we don't deserve to qualify.

We should just shut up shop if we don’t

[Hibernian Verse]

Yes, but more than likely the damage has been done already. Barring a lucky draw we will get knocked out in the next round due to not being seeded.

As long as we avoid the Old Firm we will have every chance of going through.

[flash]

Going to go against the flow here and say I hope we win handsomely on Saturday and qualify for the last 16.

[1875Sean]

As or more unlikely as them beating Hibs?

The week before they couldn’t beat 10 men Elgin, they won’t go to queens and win

[Paul1642]

Yes, but more than likely the damage has been done already. Barring a lucky draw we will get knocked out in the next round due to not being seeded.

Unless we draw Celtic or league which we obviously want to avoid, this is not necessarily the case at all. Hearts and Aberdeen preferably avoided but still well in our control to win.

Any seeded team drawn against us has been as unlucky to draw us as we have them.

If we aren’t in a position to get past St Mirren, Kilmarnock and whoever ends ups seeded out of Ross County, Motherwell, St Johnston, league and Dundee by the end of August, then we have much bigger problems than our league cup draw.

Edit - I’ve just seen who the poster was. I’m peeing into the wind with a little positivity with this one.

[Paul1642]

Going to go against the flow here and say I hope we win handsomely on Saturday and qualify for the last 16.

Without having read the whole thread, the majority don’t want to qualify?

[flash]

Without having read the whole thread, the majority don’t want to qualify?

Several posters have intimidated that if we don't finish top of the group we don't deserve to go through.

[Paul1642]

He shouldn’t have needed to learn from the Kelty debacle. He should’ve learnt from the Falkirk debacle under Johnson.

Whist Gray takes his share of the blame, I ultimately blame the club for not providing him with a drop of squad depth worthy of being in our starting 11.

[Paul1642]

Several posters have intimidated that if we don't finish top of the group we don't deserve to go through.

I wonder if French fans wanted their squad to just go home form the Euros once Austria finished above them. Netherlands need not have bothered making it to the Semi final after coming 3rd in their group.

It’s all irrelevant because we will top the group.

[Smartie]

Going to go against the flow here and say I hope we win handsomely on Saturday and qualify for the last 16.

I’d love that and tbh - I fully expect it to happen.

Last week will have angered some people. We can’t afford to take this next game anything other than deadly seriously. Our best team is still close to being a good team, they will play, play well and win this weekend.

We need to be securing a few signings and today’s Foley business doesn’t help but I’d like to see us take the Kelty game firmly on the chin and take it out on Peterhead before being in a position to put a decent team out in the first league game.

[IberianHibernian]

We could win on Saturday and still finish second ( apart from Kelty getting 10 points which has already been mentioned here ) if QP finish above us on goal difference ( assuming head to head is not used ) . Another incentive to play well and score a few goals against Peterhead .

[Tambo]

We could win on Saturday and still finish second ( apart from Kelty getting 10 points which has already been mentioned here ) if QP finish above us on goal difference ( assuming head to head is not used ) . Another incentive to play well and score a few goals against Peterhead .

Good points, see how things look after midweek games, we might qualify and avoid rangers or Celtic, seeded was a must though.

[IberianHibernian]

Good points, see how things look after midweek games, we might qualify and avoid rangers or Celtic, seeded was a must though.Looks like beating Peterhead won`t be enough to be seeded in last 16 draw . Being positive , we might have a better chance against Celtic ( lost to Killie last year ) , Rangers or others in last 16 .

[1875Sean]

We could win on Saturday and still finish second ( apart from Kelty getting 10 points which has already been mentioned here ) if QP finish above us on goal difference ( assuming head to head is not used ) . Another incentive to play well and score a few goals against Peterhead .

Think we are safe in goals difference if qp end up on the same points, they can’t end up on the same points and Kelty win all there games, one team would need to drop points

[JimBHibees]

Yes

[scoopyboy]

Doubt about whether we'll qualify from a group containing Elgin, Peterhead, Kelty and Queens Park.

What an actual clown show Hibs are.

Toughen up man.

If we don’t qualify as winners we will go through as a highest runner up.

Bigger concern for me is we won’t be seeded in the round of the last 16

[Trinity Hibee]

Several posters have intimidated that if we don't finish top of the group we don't deserve to go through.

Do you disagree with that?

[MWHIBBIES]

We weren't seeded in 2017, got Ayr and won 5-0. I won't be panicking just yet.

[Trinity Hibee]

We weren't seeded in 2017, got Ayr and won 5-0. I won't be panicking just yet.

We won our group that year

[Hibernian Verse]

We won our group that year

We weren't seeded though. Ayr, Motherwell and Falkirk were.

On a sidenote, Hibernian's Simon Murray was top scorer in the tournament. He loves the League Cup.

[1875Sean]

Kelty getting beat, time for some to stop wetting the bed

[Contador]

Kelty getting beat, time for some to stop wetting the bed

Wtf have we become taking some sort of pleasure out of Peterhead winning away to Kelty Hearts

[Not In The Know]

Kelty getting beat, time for some to stop wetting the bedHow does the next round draw work? 5 teams playing Euro ties obvs enter. There are 8 groups and 3 second place teams also go through. Do those 5 clubs play the 3 second place teams and two worst group winners?

[erin go bragh]

So looks like Dundee United and St Johnstone will be out and we can top our group by winning on Saturday
Equanimity my fellow Hibbies

[Niffy]

So looks like Dundee United and St Johnstone will be out and we can top our group by winning on Saturday
Equanimity my fellow Hibbies

Dundee Utd out ??

[Bishop Hibee]

Hibs 3 Peterhead 0 you read it here first…..

[JohnM1875]

Dundee Utd out ??

They've played their four games and have 9 points with a +5 goal difference.

We’re on six points with +8 goal difference. So win and we’re fine

[B.H.F.C]

Aberdeen and Dundee likely to go through as a seeded team. Last place between Ross County and Livingston.

We’ll win comfortably on Saturday so looking at a last 16 tie against Celtic, Rangers, Hearts, Aberdeen, St Mirren, Kilmarnock, Dundee or Livingston/Ross County.

[nonshinyfinish]

How does the next round draw work? 5 teams playing Euro ties obvs enter. There are 8 groups and 3 second place teams also go through. Do those 5 clubs play the 3 second place teams and two worst group winners?

The 5 teams in Europe plus the 3 best group winners are seeded. The remaining qualifying teams are unseeded.

[Pescarese]

How does the next round draw work? 5 teams playing Euro ties obvs enter. There are 8 groups and 3 second place teams also go through. Do those 5 clubs play the 3 second place teams and two worst group winners?Yes, that's how it works. The group winners are ranked by points, then goal difference, then goals scored, then away goals scored. Anyway, beat Peterhead and Hibs should be through as winners, unless Queens Park score a freaky amount of goals. Seeding looks unlikely, but isn't impossible. Maybe not a bad time to be playing any of the sides in European action anyway.

[Nemo]

Agree , we will still qualify , thought it was an act of stupidity making so many changes in a game we needed to win in order to make things easier in the next round .

We could quite easily get one of the OF now and it's goodnight Vienna while managers like Thelin went with more or less a full strength team and are likely to avoid the same scenario.

If we can’t beat kelty with a few changes to the first team God help us.

Don’t see how it’s SDG’s fault. Most of the team are gash. That’s not on
this manager.

[CapitalGreen]

If we can’t beat kelty with a few changes to the first team God help us.

Don’t see how it’s SDG’s fault. Most of the team are gash. That’s not on
this manager.

From a squad made up of varying degrees of gash, he picked some of the gashest to start.

[Nemo]

From a squad made up of varying degrees of gash, he picked some of the gashest to start.

lol…he did indeed.

[IberianHibernian]

Peterhead still got a chance if they beat us or draw and win on penalties . Not sure if 8 points will be enough for us or Peterhead . 9 points should be so maybe goal difference with Queens Park won`t count but would be good if we played an attacking team and went for a big win . Looks like qualification in some groups might not be decided till Motherwell v Partick Thistle on Sunday . Disappointing not to be seeded but gate receipts of away game v OF would boost transfer cash while window is still open ( and we`d still have a chance against them ) and there was nothing from last season to suggest we wouldn`t have a good chance home or away against any of the other teams .

[1875Sean]

Peterhead still got a chance if they beat us or draw and win on penalties . Not sure if 8 points will be enough for us or Peterhead . 9 points should be so maybe goal difference with Queens Park won`t count but would be good if we played an attacking team and went for a big win . Looks like qualification in some groups might not be decided till Motherwell v Partick Thistle on Sunday . Disappointing not to be seeded but gate receipts of away game v OF would boost transfer cash while window is still open ( and we`d still have a chance against them ) and there was nothing from last season to suggest we wouldn`t have a good chance home or away against any of the other teams .

We play them at home and will be a full strength team, we will win

[greenlex]

We should have beaten Kelty with a few to spare if we were more clinical/lucky. I don’t buy that on Saturday two competitive games on the bounce and quite frankly if we don’t beat Peterhead at Easter Road on Saturday we certainly won’t deserve to progress.
Hibs by 4 on Sat.

[IberianHibernian]

We play them at home and will be a full strength team, we will winI agree we should win comfortably but don`t agree about full strength team . With players we played on Saturday we should have been able to win comfortably - problem was not playing weaker team , more making too many changes and bad luck . For example , on Saturday one of the first players I`d pick is Jair as he can break down defences as he showed in 10 minutes on Saturday while others didn`t in 90 minutes .

[JimBHibees]

Wtf have we become taking some sort of pleasure out of Peterhead winning away to Kelty Hearts

Because it helps our team

[Tambo]

Mon Hibs, no messing about goals and glory.

[California-Hibs]

Well that Kelty result is abit of a relief. Into the next round we go, as we will win comfortably at Easter Road on Saturday.

[He's here!]

Well that Kelty result is abit of a relief. Into the next round we go, as we will win comfortably at Easter Road on Saturday.

We'll win comfortably against a side who just beat our conquerors Kelty?

[Potty78]

We'll win comfortably against a side who just beat our conquerors Kelty?

Or a team Queens Park beat 5 0?

[1875Sean]

We'll win comfortably against a side who just beat our conquerors Kelty?

You don’t think so?

[Wilson]

We'll win comfortably against a side who just beat our conquerors Kelty?

Correct.

5-0 incoming.

Boom.

[California-Hibs]

We'll win comfortably against a side who just beat our conquerors Kelty?

Yeah. Just as on another day with hitting the post and bar a few times along with a few sitters, we'd have beaten Kelty comfortably. However this time is on the back of their personal pride being slaughtered and being at home also.

So yep, we'll comfortably win, by AT LEAST 2.

[greenlex]

We'll win comfortably against a side who just beat our conquerors Kelty?

Of course we will.

[greenlex]

I agree we should win comfortably but don`t agree about full strength team . With players we played on Saturday we should have been able to win comfortably - problem was not playing weaker team , more making too many changes and bad luck . For example , on Saturday one of the first players I`d pick is Jair as he can break down defences as he showed in 10 minutes on Saturday while others didn`t in 90 minutes .

No ****ing about. Strongest team and get it done on Saturday.

[MWHIBBIES]

From a squad made up of varying degrees of gash, he picked some of the gashest to start. And yet, none of them really cost us. The easy chances missed by our ''best 11'' guys did.

[Billy Whizz]

Aberdeen and Dundee likely to go through as a seeded team. Last place between Ross County and Livingston.

We’ll win comfortably on Saturday so looking at a last 16 tie against Celtic, Rangers, Hearts, Aberdeen, St Mirren, Kilmarnock, Dundee or Livingston/Ross County.

Spot on

[nonshinyfinish]

How does the next round draw work? 5 teams playing Euro ties obvs enter. There are 8 groups and 3 second place teams also go through. Do those 5 clubs play the 3 second place teams and two worst group winners?
Yes, that's how it works.No, that's not how it works. There's no guarantee that the teams playing in Europe play a second-place team or one the two worst group winner. They are seeded along with the three best group winners and can play any of the unseeded teams.

[Not In The Know]

Yes, that's how it works. The group winners are ranked by points, then goal difference, then goals scored, then away goals scored. Anyway, beat Peterhead and Hibs should be through as winners, unless Queens Park score a freaky amount of goals. Seeding looks unlikely, but isn't impossible. Maybe not a bad time to be playing any of the sides in European action anyway.👍

[flash]

Or a team Queens Park beat 5 0?

So we beat QP 5-1 meaning we should win by 8 or 9 if everything is as linear as you suggest.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

And yet, none of them really cost us. The easy chances missed by our ''best 11'' guys did.

We didn’t have our best 11 on at the same against Kelty. These results happen, with gash team or not. It doesn’t mean that we are now going to struggle against Peterhead.

[Pescarese]

No, that's not how it works. There's no guarantee that the teams playing in Europe play a second-place team or one the two worst group winner. They are seeded along with the three best group winners and can play any of the unseeded teams.Apologies, I misread the OP. As you say, the seeds are the 5 sides that qualified for Europe and the three best Group winners. I'm guessing it's the usual - 4 seeds play at home and 4 away. Unless one seed is still homeless, of course, if so they'll be a stick(ies) on for an away draw.

[Keith_M]

So much for Kelty winning all their games and finishing top of the group.

One bad result and this place goes into meltdown.

[H18 SFR]

So much for Kelty winning all their games and finishing top of the group.

One bad result and this place goes into meltdown.

See to be honest, I took it as frustration for not securing a seeded spot.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

See to be honest, I took it as frustration for not securing a seeded spot.

I would imagine most folk felt similar.

[SJNB Hibby]

I would imagine most folk felt similar.There IS a path to Seeding:1. We need two of: Aberdeen losing outright to Dumbarton(Highly unlikely) Dundee losing outright to ICT(unlikely-- would have helped if ICT had taken at least one more point against Arbroath) Livingston losing outright to The Spartans. Not so far fetched, if the Spartans get 3 points they'll top the GroupStirling beat Ross---outright2. We then need the following to happen(And obviously we need 3 points and a big win)Falkirk dont win big enough to overtake our GD(Unlikely)Queens Park don't overtake our GD(Unlikely)Morton beat Alloa(even by penalties)St Johnstone beat EF (even by penalties)Partick beat Mwell, even by penalties---and they won't catch our GDRaith don't beat Hamilton by a landslideSo possible, not impossible, maybe unlikely. But could be an interesting Saturday afternoon

[Wheat Hound]

There IS a path to Seeding:1. We need two of: Aberdeen losing outright to Dumbarton(Highly unlikely) Dundee losing outright to ICT(unlikely-- would have helped if ICT had taken at least one more point against Arbroath) Livingston losing outright to The Spartans. Not so far fetched, if the Spartans get 3 points they'll top the GroupStirling beat Ross---outright2. We then need the following to happen(And obviously we need 3 points and a big win)Falkirk dont win big enough to overtake our GD(Unlikely)Queens Park don't overtake our GD(Unlikely)Morton beat Alloa(even by penalties)St Johnstone beat EF (even by penalties)Partick beat Mwell, even by penalties---and they won't catch our GDRaith don't beat Hamilton by a landslideSo possible, not impossible, maybe unlikely. But could be an interesting Saturday afternoon

Sir/Ma'am, I salute your indefatigablity!

[Billy Whizz]

There IS a path to Seeding:1. We need two of: Aberdeen losing outright to Dumbarton(Highly unlikely) Dundee losing outright to ICT(unlikely-- would have helped if ICT had taken at least one more point against Arbroath) Livingston losing outright to The Spartans. Not so far fetched, if the Spartans get 3 points they'll top the GroupStirling beat Ross---outright2. We then need the following to happen(And obviously we need 3 points and a big win)Falkirk dont win big enough to overtake our GD(Unlikely)Queens Park don't overtake our GD(Unlikely)Morton beat Alloa(even by penalties)St Johnstone beat EF (even by penalties)Partick beat Mwell, even by penalties---and they won't catch our GDRaith don't beat Hamilton by a landslideSo possible, not impossible, maybe unlikely. But could be an interesting Saturday afternoon

Might have to wait until Sunday, as Motherwell v Partick is that
Gives both these sides an opportunity on Sunday to see what they need

[H18 SFR]

There IS a path to Seeding:1. We need two of: Aberdeen losing outright to Dumbarton(Highly unlikely) Dundee losing outright to ICT(unlikely-- would have helped if ICT had taken at least one more point against Arbroath) Livingston losing outright to The Spartans. Not so far fetched, if the Spartans get 3 points they'll top the GroupStirling beat Ross---outright2. We then need the following to happen(And obviously we need 3 points and a big win)Falkirk dont win big enough to overtake our GD(Unlikely)Queens Park don't overtake our GD(Unlikely)Morton beat Alloa(even by penalties)St Johnstone beat EF (even by penalties)Partick beat Mwell, even by penalties---and they won't catch our GDRaith don't beat Hamilton by a landslideSo possible, not impossible, maybe unlikely. But could be an interesting Saturday afternoon

Shade of delusion aligned with the shout at the time that Scotland could get out the group with 2 points.

[Donegal Hibby]

Wee article about the groups..
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/latest-hibs-news/the-3-big-clubs-facing-premier-sports-cup-peril-as-race-to-make-last-16-hits-home-straight-4717822

[cubehindthegoal]

I think we will … I think SDG will take on board what he learnt from the Kelty match, and make sure we are set up as strong as possible from the off .. I also learnt from that tbh, as I thought it was reasonable to change the team a bit like he did … but all it did was show up our weaknesses … though hopefully it hasn’t done too much damage, we get through, and we have learned much (that we possibly could say we knew already, but then again SDG perhaps also had to learn that some players won’t step up to the plate like he is asking or them on a consistent basis, and it’s not a change of manager that will fix them) going forward.

ps don’t care about the seeding tbh … if we are going to win the cup, then its a case of beating whoever is put in front of you every round.

[Nicho87]

So it’s the five euro qualified teams and 3 best group winners from the group stages that are seeded

Having a quick scan of the groups it looks unlikely we will be seeded as a few teams on more points than us with their final game to play. Would need a lot of results to go our way which seems highly unlikely

So could be looking at a tough draw next round

[Carheenlea]

So it’s the five euro qualified teams and 3 best group winners from the group stages that are seeded

Having a quick scan of the groups it looks unlikely we will be seeded as a few teams on more points than us with their final game to play. Would need a lot of results to go our way which seems highly unlikely

So could be looking at a tough draw next round

Kilmarnock or St Mirren and should be looking at another 5 goal romp.

[flash]

So it’s the five euro qualified teams and 3 best group winners from the group stages that are seeded

Having a quick scan of the groups it looks unlikely we will be seeded as a few teams on more points than us with their final game to play. Would need a lot of results to go our way which seems highly unlikely

So could be looking at a tough draw next round

Turn it around. They won't want to draw us.

[Eyrie]

So it’s the five euro qualified teams and 3 best group winners from the group stages that are seeded

Having a quick scan of the groups it looks unlikely we will be seeded as a few teams on more points than us with their final game to play. Would need a lot of results to go our way which seems highly unlikely

So could be looking at a tough draw next round

Three of the seeded teams (Ugly Sisters, Hearts) would be very tough as would Aberdeen away, which is seven of the nine possibilities. But Aberdeen at home or any of the other four seeds should see us as slight favourites.

[Springbank]

Three of the seeded teams (Ugly Sisters, Hearts) would be very tough as would Aberdeen away, which is seven of the nine possibilities. But Aberdeen at home or any of the other four seeds should see us as slight favourites.

August 18 is 3 weeks away

Are you saying Rangers would be happy with Hibs at Easter Road so early in the season?

Bring it fxxxing on & let's beat the Brexit *******s

[Eyrie]

August 18 is 3 weeks away

Are you saying Rangers would be happy with Hibs at Easter Road so early in the season?

Bring it fxxxing on & let's beat the Brexit *******s

I didn't say it would be impossible to beat them but would you put serious money on it happening?

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

Three of the seeded teams (Ugly Sisters, Hearts) would be very tough as would Aberdeen away, which is seven of the nine possibilities. But Aberdeen at home or any of the other four seeds should see us as slight favourites.

Our best chance of beating the Huns would be getting drawn away from home. They haven't beaten us at Hampden since 1979.

[killie-hibby]

The answer to the original poster question is YES we will qualify for the knockout stage. We will discover our opponents on Sunday afternoon,then is the time for some people to worry or vent anxiety.Until then try and enjoy yourselves.

[Since452]

Yes. 5-0 today. A freak result at Kelty aside it'll will have been very good.

[bathhibby]

When is the draw for the next round ?

[mutley]

When is the draw for the next round ?

Tomorrow I believe , guess after the last games


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