Summer Transfer War Chest

[Carheenlea]

“I think they'll have a few million pounds to help them with the transfer window next summer. Interestingly, we are making an investment in the team”

Bill Foley - January 2024


Ready when you are Bill.

[hibsbollah]

How long does ‘the summer’, or what has passed as one, actually last? The nights are fair drawing in. I predict two new left sided players come in with a lack of first team experience in a quality league and a grizzled veteran striker whos legs have gone.

[matty_f]

“I think they'll have a few million pounds to help them with the transfer window next summer. Interestingly, we are making an investment in the team”

Bill Foley - January 2024


Ready when you are Bill.

Add to this Kensell telling Hibs First members that they were shelving some infrastructure plans to direct money at the team.

[GreenCastle]

Free transfer
Free transfer
Loan
Free transfer

Ok wages but…what about all the players out ?

Will keep saying it but last seasons squad is still better than this lot.

At least with Stevenson we had another left footed LB.

Myziane was our best striker - not replaced with anyone.

The club are either stupid or arrogant thinking they could waltz through the group stages.

[Callum_62]

I heard this has been diverted to install a Hibs run craft beer brewey directly next to BTG.



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[Scotty Leither]

I heard this has been diverted to install a Hibs run craft beer brewey directly next to BTG.Sent from my Pixel 7 Pro using TapatalkAs long as it’s not selling “Golden quadrant” lager it should be a hit I’d imagine.

[Callum_62]

As long as it’s not selling “Golden quadrant” lager it should be a hit I’d imagine.[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] that would be flying off the shelves

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[Carheenlea]

I heard this has been diverted to install a Hibs run craft beer brewey directly next to BTG.



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As long as it’s not selling “Golden quadrant” lager it should be a hit I’d imagine.

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[JohnM1875]

Add to this Kensell telling Hibs First members that they were shelving some infrastructure plans to direct money at the team.Exactly! I'm starting to think I'm off my rocker and it didn't actually happen. Cause there's nothing so far to suggest the first team is having any substantial money spent on it.

Looks like we're waiting to move on Youan before spending and I honestly can't quite get my head around it.

Something doesn't add up.

[TrinityHFC]

Exactly! I'm starting to think I'm off my rocker and it didn't actually happen. Cause there's nothing so far to suggest the first team is having any substantial money spent on it. Looks like we're waiting to move on Youan before spending and I honestly can't quite get my head around it. Something doesn't add up.

What doesn’t add up is that we haven’t reached the end of July yet. Let’s see where we are when the window closes.

[LunasBoots]

What doesn’t add up is that we haven’t reached the end of July yet. Let’s see where we are when the window closes.

Alot of players need a pre season behind them before going into a season to get up to speed, leaving it pretty late for that. Fully expecting panic signings towards the end of the window.

[JohnM1875]

What doesn’t add up is that we haven’t reached the end of July yet. Let’s see where we are when the window closes.

Oh aye. The old ‘lets wait and see’ approach eh? Worked wonders tha last few seasons that.

Transfer window has been open for over a month and we've spent the square route of **** all on fees despite being told we have a few million to spend.

[Glory Lurker]

It's all HSL's fault for asking questions.

[GreenCastle]

At least the new full size indoor training pitch will be useful in the winter..oh wait ?

[sleeping giant]

Myth. So disappointed.

[ChuckNor]

Starting to look how I suspected a while back. A totally myth. The money has went into the club. But what it has been used for is another question.

[matty_f]

Starting to look how I suspected a while back. A totally myth. The money has went into the club. But what it has been used for is another question.

What do you think it’s being used for? (Not a wide question, interested to know your thoughts)

[Wheat Hound]

What do you think it’s being used for? (Not a wide question, interested to know your thoughts)

I think there is a concern that it is being used to pay debts as outlined in the last financial report. No-one trusts BK when he talks about how the finances will look better the following year given his propensity to talk BS.

[matty_f]

I think there is a concern that it is being used to pay debts as outlined in the last financial report. No-one trusts BK when he talks about how the finances will look better the following year given his propensity to talk BS.

The debt was largely written off (leaving only the Covid government loan to be repaid, interest free).

Unless we’ve made £8m in losses since March, I find that hard to believe to be the case.

[matty_f]

Given Ben Kensell seems to get rewarded well for income brought into the club, quite rightly too I think, I’d be interested to know how much he made from the deal. If it’s a significant bonus, would he be as objective as he could have been?

How do you mean? In assessing if it was right for the club?

Is hard to see at this point how it could be anything other than positive for Hibs. Even if we don’t turn things around, it’s highly unlikely to be because we got more money in, and more likely because the folk that got us into a significant amount of debt in the first place are still running things.

I think the only way Kensell’s opinion on it could have been a negative would have been if he’d been more heavily invested in Foley’s deal than the other billionaire who wanted to buy into Hibs at the time, but even then, my understanding was that the decision rested with Gordon family not wanting to sell up completely.

[Hibs90]

Maybe the board decided to use some of the funds to cover the massive losses in the last accounts that Kensell and everyone else involved was responsible for.

Incredible that a man who is on nearly half a million pounds a year has overseen failure after failure on the park and still sits in his post.

[ChuckNor]

What do you think it’s being used for? (Not a wide question, interested to know your thoughts)

The silence from inside the club on matters incoming has been deafening. I’ve had one person tell me the club need shot of Jair, Kenneh and one other because of their wages.

I fear there is some truth to the funds being used to cover some bad debts.

Anything I’ve heard recently doesn’t suggest we are awash with cash for transfers, put it that way.

Separately, I found the interview Malky Mackay did recently when he said Hibs won’t take on lads from Bournemouth who won’t take to the league straight away odd. Strange thing to go to the press on. Suggested tensions between the clubs imo.

[matty_f]

The silence from inside the club on matters incoming has been deafening. I’ve had one person tell me the club need shot of Jair, Kenneh and one other because of their wages.

I fear there is some truth to the funds being used to cover some bad debts.

Anything I’ve heard recently doesn’t suggest we are awash with cash for transfers, put it that way.

Separately, I found the interview Malky Mackay did recently when he said Hibs won’t take on lads from Bournemouth who won’t take to the league straight away odd. Strange thing to go to the press on. Suggested tensions between the clubs imo.
What bad debts though? As of the last amounts we owed c£5.5m to Bydand and c£1m to the government.

The investment saw Bydand convert their £5.5m to shares, leaving only the Covid loan to repay.

We then took in £6m from Black Knight, and a subsequent £2.25m from Bydand, HSL, and Lesley Robb.

Where have the bad debts come from?

Re the players’ wages, I absolutely believe that to be the case but that’s normal to operate a wage/turnover budget. Our turnover will have taken a hit (excluding cash injections) so it’s natural that we’d want to get players who aren’t good enough off the books, especially if they’re on good money.

[Wheat Hound]

What bad debts though? As of the last amounts we owed c£5.5m to Bydand and c£1m to the government.

The investment saw Bydand convert their £5.5m to shares, leaving only the Covid loan to repay.

We then took in £6m from Black Knight, and a subsequent £2.25m from Bydand, HSL, and Lesley Robb.

Where have the bad debts come from?

Re the players’ wages, I absolutely believe that to be the case but that’s normal to operate a wage/turnover budget. Our turnover will have taken a hit (excluding cash injections) so it’s natural that we’d want to get players who aren’t good enough off the books, especially if they’re on good money.

So previous debts incurred through significant losses might have been taken care of, but can we trust BK that similar losses won't be made again in the current financial year which will then be propped up by the monies invested by others? I'm certainly not expert on finances but the longer we go without any notable investment on an ailing squad rhe more concerns will grow. I have little faith in Kensell or trust for that matter.

[matty_f]

So previous debts incurred through significant losses might have been taken care of, but can we trust BK that similar losses won't be made again in the current financial year which will then be propped up by the monies invested by others? I'm certainly not expert on finances but the longer we go without any notable investment on an ailing squad rhe more concerns will grow. I have little faith in Kensell or trust for that matter.

At the point of the AGM when the accounts were shared, the debt that had been accrued was loans from Bydand that were generated trying to improve the first team squad (“chasing sporting success” was the term used, if I remember right)

Although we made a loss, we had cash in the bank so it’s not like we started the year on £0 and finished at minus whatever it was.

Losses don’t necessarily mean debt, the club could afford to make a loss in one accounting year and at that point, we were assured that wages/turnover was back on track and that money in from European participation and player sales was going to make a significant difference to the next accounts.

None of that marries up with the suggestion that we’ve needed to use £8.5m or thereabouts to cover debts.

Where would that money have gone? We’ve invested in the Famous Five, but that won’t be close to £8m.

It’s almost impossible for us to be skint.

[DH1875]

We blew it by finishing bottom 6 and not making Europe. The investment money has had to cover those losses.

[B.H.F.C]

We blew it by finishing bottom 6 and not making Europe. The investment money has had to cover those losses.

The investment money was £6m from the Black Knights plus a reported couple of million from elsewhere more recently.

The league placing will have cost us a few hundred grand. Don’t know how much we lost out on European wise, but nothing significant that would have been budgeted for.

Where the **** the investment money is going is now a very valid question that needs answered.

[JDT]

The investment money was £6m from the Black Knights plus a reported couple of million from elsewhere more recently.

The league placing will have cost us a few hundred grand. Don’t know how much we lost out on European wise, but nothing significant that would have been budgeted for.

Where the **** the investment money is going is now a very valid question that needs answered.

Wasn't there upgrades made to East Mains? I remember reading that somewhere.

[gegs70]

I know Hibs paid for the new standing area, not sure how popular that is? We also upgraded HTC? So what is our player budget. With 2 weeks or so to go til the season starts does it seem like we are cutting it fine to upgrade the squad- at this stage is he just looking to brinkg in 1 or 2 players?

[LunasBoots]

We blew it by finishing bottom 6 and not making Europe. The investment money has had to cover those losses.

That was not what fans where told when they placed there votes for the AGM.

[SickBoy32]

That was not what fans where told when they placed there votes for the AGM.

Fans should know by now that Kensell is not to be trusted

[B.H.F.C]

Wasn't there upgrades made to East Mains? I remember reading that somewhere.

Not sure about East Mains but we’ve obviously done a lot of work in the famous five stand.

[Callum_62]

I know Hibs paid for the new standing area, not sure how popular that is? We also upgraded HTC? So what is our player budget. With 2 weeks or so to go til the season starts does it seem like we are cutting it fine to upgrade the squad- at this stage is he just looking to brinkg in 1 or 2 players?3 weeks out from Celtic game it looks reasonably popular to me

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[NC1875]

What doesn’t add up is that we haven’t reached the end of July yet. Let’s see where we are when the window closes.

Beginning to think you might be Ben Kensell with your relentless “it’s only mid July” pish.

We’ve just been beaten by Kelty Hearts which could cost us being seeded in one of the two competitions we have any chance of winning.

It’s ok though, apparently you can’t pay fees or sign good players until the end of the window 👍🏼

[Carheenlea]

3 weeks out from Celtic game it looks reasonably popular to me

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Are Block Seven still going there next season? Hard to tell from that. Unless they are still just the 50 or so strong group. Will still get their extra tickets for Tynecastle no doubt.

[TrinityHFC]

Beginning to think you might be Ben Kensell with your relentless “it’s only mid July” pish.

We’ve just been beaten by Kelty Hearts which could cost us being seeded in one of the two competitions we have any chance of winning.

It’s ok though, apparently you can’t pay fees or sign good players until the end of the window 👍🏼

Yes, good one.

You added the bit about what you can or can’t do during the window.

We’ve signed good players already and made good progress in emptying others. It is just reality that for various reasons signing some players takes time. Yes we need to add more but drawing conclusions in mid to late July is far too early.

[Alfred E Newman]

Yes, good one.

You added the bit about what you can or can’t do during the window.

We’ve signed good players already and made good progress in emptying others. It is just reality that for various reasons signing some players takes time. Yes we need to add more but drawing conclusions in mid to late July is far too early.

Time will tell if we’ve signed good players or not but we are heading into another season with Newell appearing to be our key playmaker and Vente and McKirdy up front. It’s concerning to say the least.

[EGL2000]

I know Hibs paid for the new standing area, not sure how popular that is? We also upgraded HTC? So what is our player budget. With 2 weeks or so to go til the season starts does it seem like we are cutting it fine to upgrade the squad- at this stage is he just looking to brinkg in 1 or 2 players?

A huge majority of fans wanted the standard section, think it was around 85-90 % in the last survey.

[BoomtownHibees]

A huge majority of fans wanted the standard section, think it was around 85-90 % in the last survey.

How many folk voted?

[MelbourneHibees]

A huge majority of fans wanted the standard section, think it was around 85-90 % in the last survey.

But did they vote on it being placed in the area of the stadium with the worst view for watching football?

[Nicho87]

How many folk voted?

Does it matter when BK vote counted for 12000 votes

[Hibs3-2]

Was genuinely excited for this summer/season when we were told we would have money to spend on players and improve the squad drastically

Now what im hearing is we are waiting on selling Youan before we use that money to pay off players before we can get anyone in.

Not quite bed wetting yet but its getting close to that point

[BoomtownHibees]

Does it matter when BK vote counted for 12000 votes

BK had 12000 votes for safe standing? Impressive

[1875Sean]

Was genuinely excited for this summer/season when we were told we would have money to spend on players and improve the squad drastically

Now what im hearing is we are waiting on selling Youan before we use that money to pay off players before we can get anyone in.

Not quite bed wetting yet but its getting close to that point

Hibs can’t just keep added to the squad without getting rid of played first, still too much deadwood around picking up a wage

[NC1875]

Hibs can’t just keep added to the squad without getting rid of played first, still too much deadwood around picking up a wage

Well they can, and they’ll have to if they genuinely want a successful season.

Those responsible for the ****show we find ourselves in should stump up and pay for there mistakes. If that means paying the duds off so we can bring in quality then get it done. We are underprepared as usual. Same old Hibs

[.Sean.]

Hibs can’t just keep added to the squad without getting rid of played first, still too much deadwood around picking up a wageAs I’ve said elsewhere maybe Ian Gordon and his mum should finally pony up and pay off THEIR mistakes since it’s THEM that has sanctioned all the wasted money. This squad can be fixed and they should have the means to sort it. We all know that’s not going to happen though don’t we

[Eyrie]

As I’ve said elsewhere maybe Ian Gordon and his mum should finally pony up and pay off THEIR mistakes since it’s THEM that has sanctioned all the wasted money. This squad can be fixed and they should have the means to sort it. We all know that’s not going to happen though don’t we

They've already done that by converting £5.5m of loans to shares.

[TrinityHFC]

As I’ve said elsewhere maybe Ian Gordon and his mum should finally pony up and pay off THEIR mistakes since it’s THEM that has sanctioned all the wasted money. This squad can be fixed and they should have the means to sort it. We all know that’s not going to happen though don’t we
Most of us know that’s already been done.

[Hibiza]

Fans should know by now that Kensell is not to be trusted

Definitely.

[Ozyhibby]

They've already done that by converting £5.5m of loans to shares.

They need to start converting some £££’s into good footballers.


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[.Sean.]

Most of us know that’s already been done.Good for you ☺️☺️ Yes by plugging the massive financial black hole caused by their piss poor recruitment and funding the hiring of firing of their numerous crap managerial appointments and experiments, we should be so grateful to them for putting a plaster over the circus they’ve created, how silly of me, let’s all praise our magnificent overlords, sorry Kit and Ian 😂😂😂

[Forza Fred]

Hibs can’t just keep added to the squad without getting rid of played first, still too much deadwood around picking up a wage

Well, if they stick with the current squad, expect to be embroiled in a relegation scrap.

[Bobby's Cinema]

Another season like last years is on the cards here, bottom six with nothing to play for from about February onwards, without significant changes.Big few weeks coming up to show our intent.

[Ronniekirk]

They need to start converting some £££’s into good footballers.Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkIt’s ironic that our core business is still our worst performing area Talk by Ben and others is just hot air until we see real progress I haven’t written off having a good season as still hoping there will be a lot more incoming in the next few weeks But it highly likely we won’t be a top four team this year unless we get our act together

[1875Sean]

Well, if they stick with the current squad, expect to be embroiled in a relegation scrap.

I’m not saying stick with the squad I am just saying we can’t bring in another 4-6 players in when we still are paying wages to the likes of JDH, Kenneth, Delferriere, Jair etc

We need to shift some more players before a complete overhaul, we are now looking at forward players and will bring some in

[TrinityHFC]

Good for you ☺️☺️ Yes by plugging the massive financial black hole caused by their piss poor recruitment and funding the hiring of firing of their numerous crap managerial appointments and experiments, we should be so grateful to them for putting a plaster over the circus they’ve created, how silly of me, let’s all praise our magnificent overlords, sorry Kit and Ian 😂😂😂

Okay. Earlier you said they’d never do that.

[Jim44]

Hibs can’t just keep added to the squad without getting rid of played first, still too much deadwood around picking up a wage

If they were real professionals, you would think the deadwood, picking up good money with no future at the club, would be happy to accept a compromise pay off and find a move to a club where they could perform in the job they purport to engage in.

[matty_f]

We blew it by finishing bottom 6 and not making Europe. The investment money has had to cover those losses.

Those aren’t necessarily losses, not getting more money isn’t the same as losing money. The difference could be offset many other ways.

Folk are just running with this line as if it’s fact and the truth is nobody knows one way or the other, other than the folk running the club.

[Coco Bryce]

Those aren’t necessarily losses, not getting more money isn’t the same as losing money. The difference could be offset many other ways.

Folk are just running with this line as if it’s fact and the truth is nobody knows one way or the other, other than the folk running the club.

Our club expects top 6 and probably budgets for that. Our players clearly don't.

[LaMotta]

But did they vote on it being placed in the area of the stadium with the worst view for watching football?Directly behind the goals is one of the best views in the stadium when the team is shooting towards the FF.

[Scotty Leither]

“Top 6” appears to be the new “Top 4”. Honestly makes you want to weep.

[Iain G]

If they were real professionals, you would think the deadwood, picking up good money with no future at the club, would be happy to accept a compromise pay off and find a move to a club where they could perform in the job they purport to engage in.

So you think people should take a pay cut on a contract signed in good faith? Not likely to happen really is it.

[andrew70]

“Top 6” appears to be the new “Top 4”. Honestly makes you want to weep.

Yes it annoys me when that is a barometer. Should barely register never mind be classed as positive.

[Lago]

So you think people should take a pay cut on a contract signed in good faith? Not likely to happen really is it.What about ALF?

[Ringothedog]

What about ALF?

He signed a one year contract with an option of another year if certain conditions were met. The conditions were not met so the extra year was not triggered

[JohnM1875]

“Top 6” appears to be the new “Top 4”. Honestly makes you want to weep.

Totally. Top six should be a ****ing cake walk for us.

[matty_f]

He signed a one year contract with an option of another year if certain conditions were met. The conditions were not met so the extra year was not triggered

That’s not what happened, he got asked to remove the clause for the extra year or we wouldn’t play him.

[ChuckNor]

My concern at the moment is that the money can’t be spent due to the high wages certain players are on. I’ve said it before and got slated for it, but the rumours around Jair and Kenneh being among our highest earners are not rumours - they are facts.

I’ve not hard any chat of incomings. I also wasn’t told about the new GK so maybe there will be news. What I do know is some non-playing staff are concerned about the current squad and the very obvious lack of depth, especially upfront.

[matty_f]

My concern at the moment is that the money can’t be spent due to the high wages certain players are on. I’ve said it before and got slated for it, but the rumours around Jair and Kenneh being among our highest earners are not rumours - they are facts.

I’ve not hard any chat of incomings. I also wasn’t told about the new GK so maybe there will be news. What I do know is some non-playing staff are concerned about the current squad and the very obvious lack of depth, especially upfront.

From Malky Mackay in the Hibs Observer (for some reason I can’t link to the full article, but it’s in the interviews section).


Several of those likely earmarked surplus to requirements have another year remaining, and Mackay expects it will be summer 2025 before he is able to fully clear the decks.

"We’re in a situation at the moment where we don’t have that many of out of contract this year, and that being the case along with the amount of loans that have left, there are gaps to plug in the squad," he says. “There are a variety of managers’ players here that have been out on loan, and I think there’s a hell of a lot that are out-of-contract next summer, and you’re maybe talking about a clean sheet of paper.

“That’s not the way it is right now. There are immediate holes that need to be plugged, and we need to do the best that we can with the resources that we have, to make sure David and myself can work on putting a team out on the pitch that gives us a real chance. But, at the same time, the squad is probably too bloated and needs to be trimmed. That’s not always easy when you’ve got people in contract that are not easy to shift.

“It [a huge turnover] can’t be this summer. There’s two categories with the players on loan – those that are young and there’s plans for them, they’re out to build up to give them to break into the first team. Then, there’s those out on loan who are professionals, who haven’t been in the manager’s plans over the last year, or last couple of years.

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“That group will come back in, and David will have his own thoughts over whether they are part of the plan, or if it’s better they try and start their career somewhere else. But that person also has to decide whether they want to do that or not, whether they want to sit in or go out on loan again, because a contract is a contract.

“There’s only a few out of contract this summer, but next summer it’s almost that blank sheet of paper with contracts running down no matter whether the player wants to be here or not. That’s what we’ve got to deal with as well, and it’s not straightforward."

He’s basically saying what you are saying, players need moves out to create space and budget to get others in.

[JohnM1875]

From Malky Mackay in the Hibs Observer (for some reason I can’t link to the full article, but it’s in the interviews section). He’s basically saying what you are saying, players need moves out to create space and budget to get others in.So what we doing with the £8+ million that's filtered through the club since January. Just sit on it for a year so we can clear a bit on wages next summer?

[CentreForward]

So what we basically seem to be saying is have patience as this is going to be a holding season where there isn’t much that we can do until certain players can be offloaded at the end of their contracts. Bottom six on the way!

[matty_f]

So what we doing with the £8+ million that's filtered through the club since January. Just sit on it for a year so we can clear a bit on wages next summer?

I guess we’ll do what we said we’d do and spend the majority of it on infrastructure and put some towards the team.

[JohnM1875]

I guess we’ll do what we said we’d do and spend the majority of it on infrastructure and put some towards the team.

The infrastructure that we were told was put on the backburner and we’d focus on the playing squad? Just constant lies and bull**** from Hibs these days.

[Chorley Hibee]

So what we basically seem to be saying is have patience as this is going to be a holding season where there isn’t much that we can do until certain players can be offloaded at the end of their contracts. Bottom six on the way!

It's jam tomorrow, yet again.

[matty_f]

The infrastructure that we were told was put on the backburner and we’d focus on the playing squad? Just constant lies and bull**** from Hibs these days.

I don’t think they said everything was being put on hold, and there’s clear evidence that some of the stuff promised is being carried out.

I’m not defending the board or saying I’m happy with things, just trying to provide some context to what’s happening with information that is out there.

It’s not the transfer window I expected to see when Foley was talking about us having a few million to spend in the summer or Kensell was talking about it being a game changing investment, but at the same time the message from the club was never that a big chunk of that investment was going on transfers immediately, be that through the outline of what the money was being used for through to Malky’s interview.

[Iain G]

I don’t think they said everything was being put on hold, and there’s clear evidence that some of the stuff promised is being carried out.

I’m not defending the board or saying I’m happy with things, just trying to provide some context to what’s happening with information that is out there.

It’s not the transfer window I expected to see when Foley was talking about us having a few million to spend in the summer or Kensell was talking about it being a game changing investment, but at the same time the message from the club was never that a big chunk of that investment was going on transfers immediately, be that through the outline of what the money was being used for through to Malky’s interview.

We have signed in the immediate key positions where we really needed to act, new keeper and two new experienced centre backs, brilliant, we swapped one reserve team keeper for another and have managed to even get money for Ewan Henderson!

Then it's stalled.

Hopefully we will invest in 4 or 5 further quality players, left back, centre back, midfield and 2 attacking players.

We are not "skint" and there is money to invest, just need to get a wee bit of sprint on to get the players in this week.

[ChuckNor]

Just to add, I’m told Delferrier is also on a surprisingly high wage and is refusing to leave. He, like others, is well aware he will never get a deal as good as he has right now. Very concerning that this lad will earn a good first team wage and only play for the youth team.

[w pilton hibby]

Just to add, I’m told Delferrier is also on a surprisingly high wage and is refusing to leave. He, like others, is well aware he will never get a deal as good as he has right now. Very concerning that this lad will earn a good first team wage and only play for the youth team.

So who are these players on surprisingly HUGE salaries and how much are they getting?

[B.H.F.C]

Just to add, I’m told Delferrier is also on a surprisingly high wage and is refusing to leave. He, like others, is well aware he will never get a deal as good as he has right now. Very concerning that this lad will earn a good first team wage and only play for the youth team.

Him getting a new deal last season was one of the worst decisions out of all the bad decisions made in recent times. It made absolutely no sense.

[jeffers]

So who are these players on surprisingly HUGE salaries and how much are they getting?Depends what you consider huge I suppose. Far more than they are worth would be my description especially for guys who have contributed heehaw. I would never post a player’s salary but despite being rubbished the figure quoted on here for Kenneh wasn’t wrong.

[Forza Fred]

I fully understand that some surplus players will choose to sit out their contracts until the end of the season and we have to pay them.

However I also understand that it was almost universally agreed that the squad of players we had last season were simply not good enough.

So, we either spend some money to buy better players and reduce the bank balance, or more or less keep playing players we KNOW are not good enough.

If we keep playing dross, we may avoid relegation…or we may not.

[Scotty Leither]

From Malky Mackay in the Hibs Observer (for some reason I can’t link to the full article, but it’s in the interviews section). He’s basically saying what you are saying, players need moves out to create space and budget to get others in.T R A N S I T I O N in short. Pathetic state of affairs.

[One Day Soon]

I don’t think they said everything was being put on hold, and there’s clear evidence that some of the stuff promised is being carried out.

I’m not defending the board or saying I’m happy with things, just trying to provide some context to what’s happening with information that is out there.

It’s not the transfer window I expected to see when Foley was talking about us having a few million to spend in the summer or Kensell was talking about it being a game changing investment, but at the same time the message from the club was never that a big chunk of that investment was going on transfers immediately, be that through the outline of what the money was being used for through to Malky’s interview.

Honestly Matty I think that if we don't bring in two or three players of quality in this window - regardless of how many can't be shifted until next summer - then we are compounding the disastrous mistakes Kensell and Gordon made previously which have left us with a hugely over paid, bloated and wallet-draining squad.

The club knows with certainty that in one year's time a shed load of these impostors will be gone and that therefore the wage bill will be dramatically lowered - and by a precise amount which they can already predict. In that context I just cannot fathom why they would not make two or three quality signings now, knowing that they are bridging the financial gap for just one season. If they have £8 million (or a very large chunk of that amount) available then it is certainly possible to use that capital for revenue expenditure for just one year, knowing that your core budget will free up after that time to allow for the recurring annual cost of paying those players. This really isn't rocket science.

My conclusion if they don't make those signings is that it's because they're not sure David Gray will work out and they don't want to allow him to make major signings that another manager may not want. On the other hand if he works out then they can spend next summer. All very well but it will leave us another 5hitty season to negotiate and it lowers Gray's chances of survival. Not to mention the paying fans left holding the baby yet again.

I genuinely don't believe a single word that comes out of the top of the club or those speaking on their behalf.

[Callum_62]

Honestly Matty I think that if we don't bring in two or three players of quality in this window - regardless of how many can't be shifted until next summer - then we are compounding the disastrous mistakes Kensell and Gordon made previously which have left us with a hugely over paid, bloated and wallet-draining squad.

The club knows with certainty that in one year's time a shed load of these impostors will be gone and that therefore the wage bill will be dramatically lowered - and by a precise amount which they can already predict. In that context I just cannot fathom why they would not make two or three quality signings now, knowing that they are bridging the financial gap for just one season. If they have £8 million (or a very large chunk of that amount) available then it is certainly possible to use that capital for revenue expenditure for just one year, knowing that your core budget will free up after that time to allow for the recurring annual cost of paying those players. This really isn't rocket science.

My conclusion if they don't make those signings is that it's because they're not sure David Gray will work out and they don't want to allow him to make major signings that another manager may not want. On the other hand if he works out then they can spend next summer. All very well but it will leave us another 5hitty season to negotiate and it lowers Gray's chances of survival. Not to mention the paying fans left holding the baby yet again.

I genuinely don't believe a single word that comes out of the top of the club or those speaking on their behalf.

Why on earth would they employ a manager they don't trust?

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[j'adorehibs]

But did they vote on it being placed in the area of the stadium with the worst view for watching football? your opinion that. i always enjoyed the view from my seats but have been forced out to more expensive seats in east . on other points - i went to the initial meeting where results of the vote were discussed and they did state that a standing section was a popular vote. i recall on here at the time lots of individals were screamomg for it to happen. have they moved seats? i doubt it. from the map shown re celtic purchases block 7 ,all 15 of them, occupy the area in front of the goals , the rest of sales look pretty poor. lets hope the walk ups turn it into something worth having else its been a total waste forcing people out of seats they had occupied for years.

[One Day Soon]

Why on earth would they employ a manager they don't trust?

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Shaun Maloney, Lee Johnson and Nick Montgomery all say hello.

[j'adorehibs]

the supposed high wages for what are fringe players must have been accounted for before the black knight investement ? i cant see how they are stopping us from bringing in more signings with the suppossed injection they provided , unless of course they didnt or its been squandered elsewhere . clubs been left in a complete mess and im already writing off this season until we can start again when players contracts end in 2025.

[Callum_62]

Shaun Maloney, Lee Johnson and Nick Montgomery all say hello.In what way wasn't Lee Johnson backed?

Montgomery in January too

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[One Day Soon]

In what way wasn't Lee Johnson backed?

Montgomery in January too

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My point is that if they don't back him this window - which they might yet do - I would interpret that at least partly as a deliberate 'wait and see' policy during this season while they mark his card. If they've any degree of self-awareness or even if they're now just lacking in confidence they may recognise that their track record in managerial appointments hasn't been stellar.

[matty_f]

Honestly Matty I think that if we don't bring in two or three players of quality in this window - regardless of how many can't be shifted until next summer - then we are compounding the disastrous mistakes Kensell and Gordon made previously which have left us with a hugely over paid, bloated and wallet-draining squad.

The club knows with certainty that in one year's time a shed load of these impostors will be gone and that therefore the wage bill will be dramatically lowered - and by a precise amount which they can already predict. In that context I just cannot fathom why they would not make two or three quality signings now, knowing that they are bridging the financial gap for just one season. If they have £8 million (or a very large chunk of that amount) available then it is certainly possible to use that capital for revenue expenditure for just one year, knowing that your core budget will free up after that time to allow for the recurring annual cost of paying those players. This really isn't rocket science.

My conclusion if they don't make those signings is that it's because they're not sure David Gray will work out and they don't want to allow him to make major signings that another manager may not want. On the other hand if he works out then they can spend next summer. All very well but it will leave us another 5hitty season to negotiate and it lowers Gray's chances of survival. Not to mention the paying fans left holding the baby yet again.

I genuinely don't believe a single word that comes out of the top of the club or those speaking on their behalf.

I agree, it’s evident that we need bodies in.

I said ages ago that if being unable to clear out players from their contracts was holding back a rebuild, then those responsible for the situation should be footing the bill to pay off the contracts.

It’s expensive running a football club, Bydand (the Gordons) have already written off £5.5m for shares before buying another £1m+ shares recently, so maybe they’re doing that.

The owners (majority and minority) clearly have the means to do it, so in my opinion, it shouldn’t be the case that an inability to pay up contracts stops us from rebuilding the squad with the quality needed.

[McGruber]

Honestly Matty I think that if we don't bring in two or three players of quality in this window - regardless of how many can't be shifted until next summer - then we are compounding the disastrous mistakes Kensell and Gordon made previously which have left us with a hugely over paid, bloated and wallet-draining squad.The club knows with certainty that in one year's time a shed load of these impostors will be gone and that therefore the wage bill will be dramatically lowered - and by a precise amount which they can already predict. In that context I just cannot fathom why they would not make two or three quality signings now, knowing that they are bridging the financial gap for just one season. If they have £8 million (or a very large chunk of that amount) available then it is certainly possible to use that capital for revenue expenditure for just one year, knowing that your core budget will free up after that time to allow for the recurring annual cost of paying those players. This really isn't rocket science.My conclusion if they don't make those signings is that it's because they're not sure David Gray will work out and they don't want to allow him to make major signings that another manager may not want. On the other hand if he works out then they can spend next summer. All very well but it will leave us another 5hitty season to negotiate and it lowers Gray's chances of survival. Not to mention the paying fans left holding the baby yet again.I genuinely don't believe a single word that comes out of the top of the club or those speaking on their behalf.Agree with a lot of that but don't think it has anything to do with trusting Gray in terms of recruitment or spending money. Gray or any other manager now are only going to have part say in a wider recruitment team/process.Other thing I would say, whisper it, Hibs don't have a massive or bloated squad in terms of bodies. We still run with that narrative for some reason. We do have an imbalanced squad and bloated in terms of wages to fringe men so probably a moot point. If anything strengthens your point that they should be investing in players now.Hopefully that's not mistaken for me saying squad is good enough or we don't have 7 or 8 players needing shifted

[NC1875]

Maybe just maybe Hibs could make some quality first team signings.

That in turn might push guys like Jair, Levitt and McKirdy out the door when they realise they won’t get yet another chance to show how crap they are.

As it stands they know they’ll play at some point so hanging around for there supposed big wages.

Speculate to accumulate and all that.

[superfurryhibby]

Agree with a lot of that but don't think it has anything to do with trusting Gray in terms of recruitment or spending money. Gray or any other manager now are only going to have part say in a wider recruitment team/process.Other thing I would say, whisper it, Hibs don't have a massive or bloated squad in terms of bodies. We still run with that narrative for some reason. We do have an imbalanced squad and bloated in terms of wages to fringe men so probably a moot point. If anything strengthens your point that they should be investing in players now.Hopefully that's not mistaken for me saying squad is good enough or we don't have 7 or 8 players needing shifted

I've asked this before, but given the numbers out the door. Is it that unusual for a club of our size and in our league to have 4-5 first team wage earners who aren't going to contribute?

Kennah, Delferriere, JDH, McKirdy. I suspect at least two from those four will move on before the window ends.

Are we really that skint?

[Ronniekirk]

Has Foley taken the hump and locked the War Chest Or was there never one there in the first place and all the spin and talk of money bring available just a smokescreen Am aware the six million had conditions imposed by the SFA but we had the new share issue bringing in over two million and were told that was in the main to go on improving the squad

[CropleyWasGod]

Has Foley taken the hump and locked the War Chest Or was there never one there in the first place and all the spin and talk of money bring available just a smokescreen Am aware the six million had conditions imposed by the SFA but we had the new share issue bringing in over two million and were told that was in the main to go on improving the squad

According to Companies House, the share issues have been fully paid.